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Cantor Loses Primary

Filed under: General — JD @ 5:36 pm

[guest post by JD]



UPDATE BY PATTERICO: The rumors of the Tea Party’s death were greatly exaggerated. Ha.

How’s amnesty sounding now, guys?

UPDATE x2: Let me try to put this in perspective for those who don’t follow these matters closely. As Allahpundit explains, the race was something of a “referendum on amnesty” — one in which the pro-amnesty candidate held the position of incumbent and (this is the stunner) House Majority Leader.

This has huge implications for amnesty. Allahpundit says categorically: “the House isn’t going to pass anything on amnesty anymore.”

I say it’s time to open some champagne. And I don’t even like champagne.

133 Responses to “Cantor Loses Primary”

  1. Surprised?

    JD (5c7f52)

  2. The Zombies from that dead TEA Party gnawed on him.
    Boehner to announce retirement in ……..
    Hensarling for Majority Leader, maybe Speaker.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  3. this feels like justice

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  4. What about the rabbi—did he win ?

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  5. I can’t wait for all the leftist articles about how Cantor was a “good” republican

    JD (5c7f52)

  6. Oh, it’s better than justice, it’s a running kick in the teeth to the Chamber of Commerce and the other K-Street swells.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  7. Well, you know what they used to say JD:
    The only good xxxxx is a dead xxxxx.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  8. The TEA Party is dead.

    Steve57 (5f0260)

  9. Write-in campaigns are legal in VA, so expect a huge expensive campaign for Cantor. God forbid that the GOP do something for the country, they are too busy selling themselves to the Party media and the chamber of commerce.

    John Cunningham (b43a73)

  10. A stunning defeat
    buh-bye Eric Cantor, sir
    we need new leaders

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  11. I imagine he will switch parties.

    mg (31009b)

  12. UPDATE BY PATTERICO: The rumors of the Tea Party’s death were greatly exaggerated. Ha.

    How’s amnesty sounding now, guys?

    Patterico (9c670f)

  13. If people aren’t outraged by the open borders and flood of illegals encouraged by/lawlessness of the POTUS and the AGOTUS, they need a wake-up call.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  14. Cantor wasn’t electable.

    JD (5c7f52)

  15. The bread is on the water. Let the Democrats persuade themselves the majority of their base voters aren’t equally as outraged at the antics of Washington politicians. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

    ropelight (772f9a)

  16. JD, we’ll see what kind of ‘good Republican’ Cantor is in how he reacts to this defeat, and whether or not he fully and unabashedly supports Brat in the general – or, does he pull a Lugar.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  17. Noticeably absent from Cantor’s speech was any mention of Brat whatsoever (let alone support), or any suggestion he would continue his campaign as a write-in candidate.

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  18. Teabagging Cantor is orgasmic.

    mg (31009b)

  19. #14… he was until he wasn’t.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  20. The G O P spin will be – this will encourage the democrats to get out and vote and we will now have no chance at the senate.

    mg (31009b)

  21. teh blood is in the water… teh sharks are circling and Boehner remembered his Speedo but forgot his shark repellant. Will his salty tears be distinguishable from the saltwater? Tune in next week…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  22. UPDATE x2: Let me try to put this in perspective for those who don’t follow these matters closely. As Allahpundit explains, the race was something of a “referendum on amnesty” — one in which the pro-amnesty candidate held the position of incumbent and (this is the stunner) House Majority Leader.

    This has huge implications for amnesty. Allahpundit says categorically: “the House isn’t going to pass anything on amnesty anymore.”

    I say it’s time to open some champagne. And I don’t even like champagne.

    Patterico (9c670f)

  23. my takeaway is that the bread is on the water at the same time the blood is *in* the water

    this has never happened before

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  24. Cheers from my soda-stream

    mg (31009b)

  25. I know Guttierez was braying for amnesty all over the news over the weekend. And I don’t remember who said that amnesty would pass once the primaries were over. It could have been the goad.

    nk (dbc370)

  26. great the republicans will now kill immigration reform and jeb bush’s love will turn to his political death! Leave the latino vote to democrats. Hillary I will kiss the blacks and the mexicans Bill you kiss the asians and jews and we will stay in the white house as long as we choose then the first latina democrat president as 5,000,000 minority kids turn 18 every election cycle.

    vota (511456)

  27. “If he [Cantor] hadn’t supported amnesty, he’d be cruising to an easy victory. I suspect a lot of folks on both sides of the aisle just lost enthusiasm for an immigration deal.”

    – Glenn Reynolds

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  28. Cueca racha alert!!!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  29. We have three military bases now being used for the flood of child refugees.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  30. what about all the urchins what flooded in for cantor’s yummy amnesties?

    man I bet they feel stupid

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  31. President Lawless Everduffer

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  32. Mickey Kaus was ahead of the curve.

    AZ Bob (533fbc)

  33. Cantor’s got that “WTFJH?” look in his eyes.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  34. down goes Frazier

    scott (6196a3)

  35. Sounds almost as good as Obama leaving the WH to live in Paris.

    Rodney King's Spirit (e9cae7)

  36. #26 Por favor, que come mierda.

    Contrary to popular belief Hispanics are not hardwired to voting (D).

    And to boot, even winning 35% = landslide for Republicans.

    With that said, marketing matters and Republicans better get the message out about loving legals and talking about how the reason people want to come here is because we are a nation of laws. So if the Country they want is one that cares not for its laws then their dreams and aspirations for being in the USA are already dead.

    Rodney King's Spirit (e9cae7)

  37. Buh-bye, Perry. Step away from the meth.

    JD (12e4df)

  38. Perry,

    You need to find yourself a nice porch with a rocking chair, and a pitcher of some CountryTime Lemonade.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  39. Patterico (9c670f) — 6/10/2014 @ 6:16 pm

    I’m half way through a bottle of Korbel I’ve been saving for a ‘special occassion’ – this qualifies.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  40. 7th District voters didn’t buy Cantor’s attempt to portray himself as the conservative champion he once was. They saw him for the two-faced professional politician he’d become. Years in Washington taught him to say one thing and do another, he’d become an obstacle to, rather than a facilitator of, conservative ideals. Once Cantor allowed himself to be co-opted by the GOP establishment the gulf between him and conservative voters began to widen, then when he got into a leadership position his priorities became those of the GOP establishment which were opposed to those favored by voters in his district. Cantor paid only lip service to the people who put him in office and he ignored the issues they cared deeply about. Tonight the tab for his inattention came due and payable.

    ropelight (772f9a)

  41. 26. great the republicans will now kill immigration reform and jeb bush’s love will turn to his political death! Leave the latino vote to democrats. Hillary I will kiss the blacks and the mexicans Bill you kiss the asians and jews and we will stay in the white house as long as we choose then the first latina democrat president as 5,000,000 minority kids turn 18 every election cycle.

    vota (511456) — 6/10/2014 @ 6:20 pm

    As if the rest of us aren’t aware we are not dealing with some natural demographic trend, but a deliberate attempt at social engineering via non-enforcement of immigration laws. And the solution isn’t to become more accommodating to the population hostile to Americanfounding principles the Democrats are importing in order to fundamentally transform the country, but rather to stop the bleeding.

    Steve57 (5f0260)

  42. I can’t figure out why certain non-liberals (if not oddball conservatives) are so touchy-feely, goody-goody about illegal immigration.

    Is it to placate businesses that rely on low-wage immigrants in a manner not all that different from plantation owners back in the 1800s who fed off the so-called “peculiar institution?”

    Is it due to do-gooder egalitarianism triggering tears for the huddled masses yearning to breathe free?

    Is it because of Karl-Rove type of strategizing, in which, hey, the belief is that Latinos tend to be conservative so lots of them will actually benefit the Republican Party—never mind the large percentages of people in countries like Mexico who vote no differently from that of true-blue urban Americans, decade after decade.

    Simply put, is it just a heaping pile of ignorance mixed together with naivete, topped off with plenty of why-me-worry dumbness?

    Mark (c36e03)

  43. Written after the 1953 East German uprising:

    Die Lösung
    Bertolt Brecht

    Nach dem Aufstand des 17. Juni
    Ließ der Sekretär des Schriftstellerverbands
    In der Stalinallee Flugblätter verteilen
    Auf denen zu lesen war, daß das Volk
    Das Vertrauen der Regierung verscherzt habe
    Und es nur durch verdoppelte Arbeit
    Zurückerobern könne. Wäre es da
    Nicht doch einfacher, die Regierung
    Löste das Volk auf und
    Wählte ein anderes?

    The Solution
    Bertolt Brecht

    After the uprising of the 17th June
    The Secretary of the Writer’s Union
    Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
    Stating that the people
    Had forfeited the confidence of the government
    And could win it back only
    By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
    In that case for the government
    To dissolve the people
    And elect another?

    vota would have us believe that we are dealing with some naturally occurring phenomena that we need to adapt to, rather than the obvious fact that having lost confidence in the people our domestic communists have simply decided it would be easier to dissolve the people and elect another. Or, rather, import another. Reliable clients.

    Steve57 (5f0260)

  44. Productivity. Nobody gives you more work for the money than a Mexican unless it’s a Polish highlander. In Chicago, anyway. There’s a Southeast Asian restaurant across the street, and you can bet your bippy that Vietnamese work hard, but the kitchen helpers are Mexicans.

    nk (dbc370)

  45. vota is a banned old loon originally known as Perry.

    nk (dbc370)

  46. I have some Democrat friends who aren’t in favor of amnesty, either.

    As long as a candidate doesn’t come across as hateful or racist (not easy to do), immigration enforcement is a winning issue.

    The argument from the open-borders crowd that gets the most airplay is “They do the jobs Americans won’t do.” Whenever I hear that phrase I mentally add another–“They do the jobs Americans won’t do for that wage.” If there was no illegal immigration, wages would rise. Yes, produce would cost more at the grocery store, and landscapers would be more expensive. But, at least the costs would be upfront, and not hidden as they currently are. And, our nation’s culture would not be more infused with identity politics, demands for communications in Spanish, and a mindset that the government can provide everything.

    With illegal immigration, we pay, but it’s harder to see. We pay for welfare benefits, overburdened schools, and medical expenses when illegal immigrants bear children (they have a higher birthrate than people born in the U.S.). Moreover, many illegal immigrants don’t pay income taxes, because they work under the table. Yes, many if not most illegal immigrants are hard-working, but you’d be surprised how many of them have Medi-Cal cards.

    Legalize them so they pay taxes? Won’t work. As soon as you legalize them, they go on to higher -paying jobs, and new illegal immigrants take over for them.

    Prevent illegal immigration after amnesty? Ha! Anybody who falls for the “amnesty now, enforcement later” is a total fool, and completely oblivious of what happened after previous amnesties.

    The answer to the immigration problem is two-fold. First, there should be mandatory E-Verify for employers everywhere, with tough penalties, and enough ICE agents to enforce the law. Second, there should be no welfare benefits for illegal immigrants. If they can’t work, and they can’t get benefits, there is no reason to be here, and many would just go back home.

    norcal (133e45)

  47. It’s RINO season.

    Cochran is next.

    Stephen Macklin (b76f7b)

  48. we will stay in the white house as long as we choose then the first latina democrat president as 5,000,000 minority kids turn 18 every election cycle.

    What really irritates me are all the snobby liberal elitists, sitting in their ivory towers, who sniff and chortle at what they see as the uncouth, bigoted anti-illegal-immigration crowd, while they themselves will have the luxury (both due to their money and comfy-easy-chair circumstances) to vote with their feet and moving van, and ultimately avoid getting trapped in the socio-economic dumping grounds that their liberalism will have encouraged and helped to create.

    Mark (c36e03)

  49. Also amusing is that Cruz is no longer a Canadian.

    Snip (031824)

  50. Holy moly, wow. I am at a loss, not because it’s bad, but wow, I never expected Cantor to lose. This is a tremendous wake-up call to the left and the right.

    I bet Ed Gillespie is trying to figure out what to do next.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  51. Eric Cantor,
    How he dreamed!
    Then his RINO ass
    Got creamed.

    Kevin Stafford (9d942e)

  52. 50. Also amusing is that Cruz is no longer a Canadian.

    Snip (031824) — 6/10/2014 @ 7:23 pm

    You think that’s amusing?

    According to the Kenyan Constitution President Tiger Beat is still a Kenyan citizen.

    13. (1) Every person who was a citizen immediately before the effective date retains the same citizenship status as of that date.

    (2) Citizenship may be acquired by birth or registration.

    (3) Citizenship is not lost through marriage or the dissolution of marriage.

    14. (1) A person is a citizen by birth if on the day of the person’s birth, whether or not the person is born in Kenya, either the mother or father of the person is a citizen.

    President Miley Cyrus may have been born in Hawaii, but no matter. His father was still indisputably a Kenyan citizen.

    Tell me, Snip, has King Putt ever bothered to renounce his Kenyan citizenship?

    Steve57 (5f0260)

  53. Nobody gives you more work for the money than a Mexican

    There’s a fallacy that communities or countries that are socio-economic armpits are a reflection of too much indolence, too many people kicking back and eating bon bons in front of the TV. In certain revealing instances, nothing could be further from the truth. There are plenty of folks leading grueling hand-to-mouth struggles — working like drones or slaves — in societies similar to a Mexico, Venezuela or India. That’s why a strong work ethic, of and by itself, isn’t a guarantee that a society will move to the next level.

    Of course, a lack of that particular ethic along with a lack of enough talent and resourcefulness (affected by people’s gray matter) guarantees a place becoming a disaster zone. We in the US have more than our fair share of that, and if current trends continue well into the future, this nation will come way too close to resembling a northern version of Venezuela, Nicaragua or Mexico.

    Mark (c36e03)

  54. Who knew there were so many illegals in Richmond?

    Actually, I think things would have gone a lot better for Cantor had Obama not been fomenting a children’s invasion. The crap that is going on at the border, with the mass incursions, the Border Patrol told to stand down and then the dumping of the children in the Red states along the border — even people who favored some accommodations with some illegals had their teeth set on edge.

    Illegal immigration is no longer the issue. Nor is Bergdahl, the IRS, the EPA, the war, taxes or the economy. None of it matters now.

    The issue has become the absolutely lawless administration which has become a clear and present danger to the near-term survival of the United States. Removing these scum from power is now a moral duty. Hopefully this can be done at the polls.

    Don’t look at this as a referendum on Cantor; look at it as an early swell in a wave.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  55. Mark,

    Do you have any experience with Mexican labor? You sound a lot longer on theory than on practice.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  56. You sound a lot longer on theory than on practice.

    Kevin M, are you saying that I question the work ethic of “undocumented” Latino employee A, B or C? I most certainly do not.

    Again, the average person in countries like Mexico work long, tiring, back-bending hours. They’re definitely not sitting around on barcaloungers living off food stamps and welfare. So to assume such societies aren’t moving to the next level due to laziness or sloth is far from reality.

    Mark (c36e03)

  57. Mark was following up on my comment, Kevin. I promise you, I have a lot of experience with Mexican laborers and their employers. The only others I have seen work as hard are recent Polish immigrants.

    nk (dbc370)

  58. 16. A citizen by birth does not lose citizenship by acquiring the citizenship of another country.

    Read ’em and weep, leftists.

    Steve57 (5f0260)

  59. Still quoting from the Kenyan constitution.

    Steve57 (5f0260)

  60. Sorry, sometimes you don’t read all the way back.

    In any event this result is the product of some obvious anger in Richmond. I can’t believe that it is about local immigration in Virginia, BWDIKIDLT. I see it as a reaction to the impossible youth crusade aided and abetted by the criminals in DC. Cantor was in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong sign around his neck.

    I hope this is the start of sometime bigger, not necessarily about immigration, but about the wild, reckless and criminal excesses of the Obama regime.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  61. #51, Ag80, thanks for bringing up Ed Gillespie, currently the GOP’s challenger to Senator Mark Warner. Back in the autumn of 2005 Gillespie was a top WH adviser to President George W Bush. When Bush inexplicably nominated Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court strong opposition immediately erupted.

    Gillespie defended Miers as an exceptionally well-qualified candidate when she clearly was not and he even went so far as to insult opponents with the accusation they were motivated by sexism. Which infuriated them. Laura Bush also defended Miers as the most qualified person her husband could have nominated and echoed Gillespie’s outrageous accusation. She said it’s possible those who question Miers’s intellectual qualifications are sexist.

    Never forget just what an arrogant GOP establishment asshole Ed Gillespie truly is.

    ropelight (772f9a)

  62. ropelight,

    People are expected to toe the line when their boss gets criticized. Did you really expect a WH aide to diss his boss’s choice?

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  63. Steve,

    More to the point he was raised as a Muslim until the age of 10. Has he ever renounced Islam?

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  64. Happy day!

    Dustin (bfe526)

  65. Kevin, ccording to the Koran and the Sudanese woman condemned to death for “renouncing” Islam merely on the basis that her Muslim father abandoned her Ethiopian Orthodox mother, so that she was never raised as a Muslim but entirely as a Christian, no.

    Steve57 (5f0260)

  66. A very significant feather in Laura’s cap.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  67. #63, Kevin, I never expected Gillespie to diss GWB’s nomination, I also never expected Gillespie would have been so stupid as to strengthen opposition and mobilize opponents with gratutious insults. Gillespie failed his boss most egregiously.

    ropelight (772f9a)

  68. ropelight:

    Gillespie will have to walk a tightrope in a purple state. The Dem machine and its moneyed supporters got the carpetbagging New Jersey native Lanny Davis elected Governor of Virginia.

    The right should temper its joy over Cantor or it could lose the seat. The left is much better at controlling elections.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  69. Oh crap, I meant Terry McAuliffe, not Lanny Davis. What was I thinking? Sorry. He’s from New York, not New Jersey. Stupid me.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  70. Not to worry Ag, they’re sisters under the skin.

    ropelight (772f9a)

  71. Brat would definitely agree with the previous two posts;

    As usual Mark you’re generalizations are overbroad, Mexico was run by a center right for the better part of a dozen years, Venezuela is afflicted by the curse of a one resource economy, the price spike in the 70s, gave way to the collapse in the 90s, CAP, the man who had nationalized the oil companies
    back in that era, then imposed austerity which subsequently led to the Chavez crew, the Sandinistas legitimately took power after a wasted interval by the neoliberal parties which had devolved into cronyism,

    narciso (3fec35)

  72. The people have spoken in VA and a powerfully strong message has been sent. This is why I believe in the primary system. I also hope that this result tonight makes some of the usual “waaaah, primary elections are rigged and are never fair to conservatives” commenters reconsider. Tonight makes it clear that with the right message and the right candidate, conservative candidates can win regardless of the name recognition or the money spent by the other candidates. THis is an important takeaway.

    Likewise, people need to understand and accept that when conservative candidates lose, it is usually because either their message, or the candidate himself/herself, did not sufficiently resonate with voters. Tonight was an invaluable political seminar. I hope people pay attention and learn.

    elissa (d849ff)

  73. Who knew there were so many illegals in Richmond?

    Every major urban area is being inundated by illegals from Latin America, and elsewhere.
    What do we find in ‘major urban areas’?
    Significant pockets of tax-users, and damn few tax-payers.
    So, they’re just doing the jobs that Americans won’t do, because they’re being paid by their government not to do them (at least indirectly).

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  74. narciso (3fec35) — 6/10/2014 @ 8:45 pm

    The Mexican ‘center right’ is more akin to Obama’s crony-liberalism than any iteration of the GOP.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  75. elissa, I respectfully disagree. In fact, I suspect there is a substantial liberal bias in our media and a substantial bias towards establishment candidates in many, albeit not all, elections. I also think it’s misguided to say that candidates win “regardless” of name recognition or money spent on the election. Those are indeed the advantages of establishment Republicans over tea party candidates in some (of course not all) cases. Eric Cantor had a tremendous advantage in both that had to be overcome. Of course, you are quite right that the right candidate and message can overcome these powerful factors, but when it happens it is usually a big surprise, hence the attitude of this post and many like it tonight.

    It’s very odd to paint the reform minded activists into whiners these days, what with the establishment Republicans and their friends in the democrat party leaving our country on a path to financial ruin. Indeed, it is very frustrating to me, in Texas, where those I see as RINOs in the GOP are allied with democrats into blocs that dominate committees, causing a lot of problems that are only partially mitigated by Texas’s limited congressional session time.

    I suspect we all are suffering from confirmation bias here. It is a powerful point for Tea Partiers to paint themselves as reformers bucking the trend and the system the GOP and democrats. Of course, we have to be very wary of dishonest claims to this reform goal from phonies, but the point that the establishment that got us in our mess is indeed at a powerful political advantage is a great rallying point (and true in many cases).

    Ballot access, contact with bundlers, support from the GOP’s various fundraising arms… those have made the difference in a lot of races. Also, confusion and lack of organization in the tea party has been a huge issue as well. The ‘establishment’ is much more likely to stay organized and stick to one guy, especially as Tea Party leaders face ATF raids, IRS audits, EPA sanctions. Let’s face it: that stuff only seemed to happen to the outsider groups in 2012.

    And the big elephant will always be the media, which up to the day of nomination, will show bias in favor of the Cantors over the Brats, or the Dewhursts over the Cruzes.

    I agree with you that when a candidate loses, it’s because their campaign didn’t sufficiently resonate with voters. Yet I disagree on how all these other factors can lead to message penetration. Remember, the message of the reformers will always have to overcome sustained, relentless BS. Take tonight, for example, when the lie is that the Cantor contest was about Cantor’s religious views (a similar lie about the Tea Party was a relentless part of the last presidential primary).

    So how do conservatives overcome the lying? By being outspoken about liberal bias in the media. By speaking honestly about the disadvantages they have in name recognition, funding, and often decisions made by the establishment.

    I hope this comment is taken in the respectful spirit with which it is intended. Unfortunately I have come to see most reactions to these truths as incredibly hostile and needlessly defensive. But then, I honestly do not see the world the way you do, with lessons so often centering around electability. If the truth is a loser, I accept losing.

    Dustin (bfe526)

  76. Geez, Dustin, quit sugar-coating it.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  77. ==It’s very odd to paint the reform minded activists into whiners these days,==

    Dustin, somehow I knew you’d overreact to my comment about the lessons of tonight’s election and yep, you have. I am enjoying Brat’s victory tonight. I am so sorry that you cannot seem to be able to.

    elissa (d849ff)

  78. As usual Mark you’re generalizations are overbroad, Mexico was run by a center right for the better part of a dozen years,

    Oh, come on, narcisco. I think it was you (or was it some other forumer?) who said awhile ago that Mexico wasn’t as staunchly liberal as I’ve made it out to be, merely because 2 of Mexico’s recent presidents have been from the PAN Party (or Mexico’s version of the Republican Party). To claim that means Mexico therefore hasn’t been generally of the left is akin to saying that true-blue California under the auspices of Arnold Schwarzenegger consequently can’t be labeled a mostly left-leaning state—and I’m not even factoring in all of Schwarzenegger’s squishiness or that of Mexico’s PAN politicians. Most crucially, such a characterization conveniently overlooks all the other officeholders statewide or, in Mexico’s case, nationwide who represent the left.

    I’m also not even factoring in the fact that one of Mexico’s 2 PAN presidents barely — just barely — got elected to the presidency, in a squeaker of a race that was perhaps even closer than the one between Bush and Gore in 2000. Even more telling, the PAN candidate was running against two leftists who split the vote.

    Mark (c36e03)

  79. No disrespect to Dustin, but let’s take elisa’s recommendation to heart – step back and enjoy Brat’s victory tonight. It’s a welcome boon, all the sweeter because it was so unexpected. There will be time enough in tomorrow’s bright morning light to grind our axes and consider the finer points of unprecedented upset victories.

    ropelight (772f9a)

  80. Take tonight, for example, when the lie is that the Cantor contest was about Cantor’s religious views

    My only take on his Jewish background is that it involves a community that is overwhelmingly liberal. It must be tough for a person surrounded by liberal parents, brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, cousins, grandparents, in-laws, childhood friends, etc, to retain ideological independence, since human nature leads most people to want to fit in with those they’ve grown up with, to conform with his or her group.

    That’s why I have such admiration for truly conservative people who also happen to be Jewish, black, Latino, gay, female, etc, or, for that matter, a member of a typical college faculty or a part of the Hollywood crowd.

    Mark (c36e03)

  81. I’m being ecumenical today, as is the Huntress;_ylt=A0LEVjYb5JdT.iAAigBkmolQ;_ylu=X3oDMTBsa3

    the breach the ramparts recalls all sorts, not all of them are polished and polite, as we might want,
    and ultimately as she herself puts it ‘don’t put your faith in politicians, because they will dissapoint

    narciso (3fec35)

  82. Mexico started with a classically liberal regime, that has rotated between ecclesiastical conservatism, Santa Ana, Porfirio Diaz, and the former one of Benito Juarez, the former led to the devastating Mexican Revolution, and the 70 year rule of the PRI

    narciso (3fec35)

  83. 1. JD Surprised?

    Yes!! What little coverage I read didn’t indicate that Cantor might lose.

    I wanted to write earlier tonight, at the computer club, but I remembered reading something and wanted to check what I had read. I had files with me, but it turns out that DOS programs do not work in Windows 7 – maybe even Vista. I could not search through my files. (this could also be searched through in GMail, but I thought there might be more.)

    I thought I had read many things maybe, but I had only read this:

    In National Review’s Morning Jolt for Monday, June 9, 2014:

    In Virginia’s 7th District, GOP challenger Dave Brat has run heavily on the immigration issue against incumbent and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor. The Daily Caller commissioned a poll and found Cantor up, 52 percent to 38 percent. (The Caller characterized this as Cantor “struggling.”) If Brat finishes in that neighborhood, he can claim credit for a solid performance against a long-time, well-funded incumbent, but chances are Cantor will be celebrating a win Tuesday night.

    So, yes, I’m surprised. *

    * although primary polls like this can’t be trusted. But still, people in the leadership don’t usually lose primaries. A 52-38 poll could be wrong the other way.

    It did strike me that he was a little bit arrogant. I think I read something.

    Sammy Finkelman (2d4607)

  84. I didn’t read far enough maybe in that edition of Morning Jolt.

    Because after that follows:

    One other hitch:
    Former congressman Ben Jones (D-Ga.), better known as “Cooter” from Dukes of Hazzard, has a plan to knock Eric Cantor out of the House. He’s urging his fellow Democrats to cross over and vote for a tea party-backed candidate in Virginia’s primary election.

    Cooter, who ran against Cantor in 2002, has penned an open letter calling upon Democrats in his former Virginia district to vote in the open primary next Tuesday for tea party opponent Dave Brat in order to defeat U.S. House Majority Leader Cantor.

    His district, or at least his old district, was 60-65% Republican for Congress (closer in the 2008 Presidential election. I am not sure if a Republican can lose in that district. I wonder if even that was the motive.

    In any case, the Democrats may have elected Brat the way the Communists elected Senator Joseph McCarthy Senator in Wisconsin in 1946, by defeating Robert M. LaFollette in the primary. He was an internationalist. BTW, in 1924, LaFolette’s running mate for President was none other than Burton K. Wheeler! But those issues didn’t matter in 1924.

    By the way in the year 2000, his first Congressional race, Cantor had a very close primary, winning by only 263 votes. He won the general elecion 67-33%

    Sammy Finkelman (2d4607)

  85. Nobody gives you more work for the money than a Mexican

    i have to strongly disagree with this.

    my personal experience over the last few decades is that while they may w*rk hard, in par that’s because they w*rk stupid, so they have to compensate somehow.

    we make a concerted effort to not support illegals here at our house, directly or indirectly, but sometimes we wind up with a flojo here anyway. we had a plumber out last year, since the sewer line was clogged, and ho one could kind a clean out to run the rooter through.

    the plumber showed up with this teenaged mojado, and showed him where to dig.

    i’ll give him that he was a digging fool, but with the accent on fool. he kept digging, despite me telling him to stop, in more than one language, and, in the process, we wound up with a hole about 3 times larger than we needed, because he’d dug down just a bit off from where he was supposed to.

    he also damaged several of the plants in the yard, what with him throwing dirt rocks & tools around without the least concern for the landscaping. as they were leaving, i cussed him out in spanish, and wasn’t he surprised.

    of course, i’m sure he didn’t care, and he had a pocket full of cash, including several $100 bills, and you know he wasn’t paying taxes on his income.

    then there are my years in the paper industry, where mexican cow-orkers would think it funny to jog the press without warning when we were either in set-up or clearing a jam. in fact, they would get mad when you would lock out the machine for safety’s sake. it got to the point where i would have to set two or more stop buttons, plus trip a micro switch to keep them from injuring or killing me, because they just didn’t care.

    so please, don’t try to sell me any of the “they bring so much to our culture & economy” garbage.

    large amounts of poorly done, half-azzed labor is NOT a plus.

    “Los flojos traban doble”

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  86. If this was a Democratic tactic, this sort of equals what the Republicans in Virginia did to gain control of the State Senate.

    They manuvered the resignation of State Senator Phillip P. Puckett (D-Russell)

    And the Democrats spread rumprs that this was done by offering him a job. He was offered a job (since withdrawn, or he dropped it himself) but that wasn’t what did it. The job offer was maybe to make the whole thing palatable.

    His resignation was prompted by the fact that some kind of conflict of interest regulation was preventing the appointment of his daughter as a judge.

    Senate Republicans had balked at backing Puckett’s daughter, Martha P. Ketron, for a full six-year appointment to a juvenile court judgeship in Southwest Virginia, saying they oppose giving judicial appointments to family members of sitting legislators.

    “She cannot be confirmed into the position permanently as long as I serve in the General Assembly,” Puckett said. “My colleagues on both sides of the aisle acknowledge that she is fully qualified for the position….

    …Puckett’s resignation ignited a firestorm by effectively giving the Republicans a 20-19 majority in the previously Democrat-controlled chamber. It altered the landscape of deadlocked negotiations over a new state budget and whether the spending plan will include Medicaid expansion.

    I don’t know what the back story is to Senate Republicans not wanting to confirm anyone as a judge whose family members serve in the state legislature, but if they are cause of this thing, they shot themselves in the foot. Is there some other, more egregious example somewhere around here that caused Republicans in Virginia to take this position?

    Sammy Finkelman (2d4607)


    There were very few pre-election polls, though one survey conducted for the Daily Caller by Vox Populi, a new Republican firm, showed Mr. Cantor just over 50 percent and ahead by 12 points. News media accounts suggested that Mr. Cantor’s campaign was confident, and one internal poll showed he had a 34-point advantage.

    Sammy Finkelman (2d4607)

  88. How’s amnesty sounding now, guys?

    According to the White House, Cantor didn’t lose because of his stance on amnesty.

    I sure hope the Republican “leadership” isn’t stupid enough to actually believe that horsecrap.

    Blacque Jacques Shellacque (9940a5)


    All over Washington, commentators were called out of dinner; Fox News broke into the O’Reilly Factor; and political reporters struggled to come up with a correct historical analogy. Since virtually no one—or, at least, no one in the world of political forecasting and punditry—had predicted Brat’s victory in the primary, it would be presumptuous, at this stage, to say anything definitive about its causes or its consequences. But here are a few things that can’t easily be contested.

    In the 2012 G.O.P. primary, Cantor, who has aggressively courted Tea Party voters, tacitly promoting himself as a conservative alternative to Speaker John Boehner, defeated his opponent, Floyd Bane, by 79.4 per cent to 20.6 per cent…

    ..Brat fastened onto what was perceived by elements of the G.O.P.’s grass roots to be Cantor’s willingness to compromise on immigration reform and offer some form of amnesty to immigrants who had entered the country illegally. (In Washington, the House Majority Leader was sometimes portrayed as a barrier to such a reform.) This issue galvanized Brat’s campaign, and brought him to the attention of conservative media figures such as Laura Ingraham and Mark Levin, who both expressed support for him. Just this past weekend, Ingraham appeared alongside Brat at a political rally in Virginia, and jokingly suggested that President Obama should have traded Cantor, not five Taliban leaders, for Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl. Brat, meanwhile, kept hacking away on the immigration issue, saying, “A vote for Eric Cantor is a vote for open borders. A vote for Eric Cantor is a vote for amnesty.”

    So that looks like conservative talk radio, with no real campaign the other way, or possibly a dishonest, or unconvincing one.

    The June 2 Daily Caller poll did show the race narrowing, but that’s the one that still showed the race as being 52-40. (The final result was Brat 55.5%, Cantor 44.5%.) Only 65,000 votes were cast. The general election draws 250,000 to 300,000 votes in the Congressional race.

    Cantor lost his home base. His choice for committeeman had earlier been defeated at a meeting.

    The Democrat candidate was selected just this Monday, by a party committee (nppobody had filed to run in the primary) in order to have somebody on the ballot. Jack Trammell is also, like David Brat, a professor at Randolph-Macon College.

    Sammy Finkelman (2d4607)

  90. Champagne? I’m celebrating with a nice cup of tea.

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  92. I think I flashed back to 1980 and how R.R. had no chance.

    mg (31009b)

  93. Hard working mexicans. Thats a lie.
    Canter will now go to work helping mexicans commit felonies by crossing the border.
    Round zem up.
    I’m white and am sick and tired of being told I won’t do certain jobs, I do whatever it takes to feed my family.
    And by the way, NO wet-back works harder than me.
    Only privileed white folk have that view of their fellow extremely hard working white Americans.

    mg (31009b)

  94. Nobody gives you more work for the money than a Mexican

    What a crock! Do some work hard? Yes. Harder than any other ethnic population? No. I lived in California for thirty years. Four years in Boyle Heights between the Fourth and Seventh Street bridges. They’d get drunk during lunch, and EVERY Friday afternoon there was the borracho fights. Glad I was in San Diego during the LA riots.

    Hadoop (f7d5ba)

  95. Cantor outspent Brat, so how does this excuse by a Cantor aide make any sense?

    “Everyone knows it was a tough race out there. But when you have all the money in the world, spend those resources—in the long run, money usually wins out,” said the aide.

    jim2 (31f75f)

  96. Like Brat said, Dollars don’t vote.

    ropelight (5c94d3)

  97. Cassidy, who has long since ‘removed all doubt’ on economics, and two weeks ago, made that clear on foreign policy, somehow makes it about Hillary, the most inauthentic politician until Obama

    narciso (3fec35)

  98. t let’s take elisa’s recommendation to heart – step back and enjoy Brat’s victory tonight.

    That’s a wise attitude, Ropelight.

    It’s not how I interpreted her remarks, but that doesn’t make your interpretation any less useful.

    Dustin (7f67e8)

  99. The point is sometimes missed, that Mexicans are exploited by a system that would not be permitted in their own country.

    narciso (3fec35)

  100. The Tea Party is D-E-D ded

    JD (5fd660)

  101. Mexicans are exploited by a system that would not be permitted in their own country.

    Not just the people of Mexico in particular but people in second-rate nations in general, it must be very exasperating and discouraging to reside amongst a populace that one cannot have great confidence in. To be surrounded by people who one cannot be happy or proud of — or at least merely satisfied with — in terms of how they think, vote, act, respond, behave, etc. Or similar to living in a super-blue-state American community where one’s neighbors both admire politicians like Obama and also are generally unreliable and even irresponsible.

    I hate to think that scenario will become increasingly true in growing sections of the US.

    Mark (c36e03)

  102. I saw a bumper sticker that said:

    “Welcome to Texas, please don’t move here”. I wonder what they meant?

    felipe (960c75)

  103. What do we find in ‘major urban areas’?
    Significant pockets of tax-users, and damn few tax-payers.

    Yes, but they are not Mexican immigrants. Here in Los Angeles, were there are more illegals than most anywhere else, they seem to be working and working a lot. With a 10% sales tax they are paying taxes and many are also paying payroll taxes into a provisional account. For an employer to hire illegals is one thing, for them to cheat Uncle Sam out of payroll taxes is quite another.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  104. The tea party voters may have supported our man Dave Brat, but let’s be honest and recognize that the tea party organizations did not get behind him with money for his campaign.
    Not even Jenny Beth Martin’s tea party group.
    She wouldn’t even send out an email-blast, according to Laura Ingraham.

    Yet Mark Levin will continue to Jenny Beth Martin as the Paula Revere of our times.
    Or whatever.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  105. The teadoodles aren’t an anti-immigration reform movement Mr. Stone.

    This was pretty much a one-issue campaign what Brat ran.

    The doodles are wise not to allow their Aims and Purposes to become blurred such that they become indistinguishable from those of other conservative groups i think.

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  106. mister happy,

    whatevers their motivations, they didn’t put their money behind Dave Brat, so they shouldn’t be spiking the football and taking a victory lap.

    from what I understand, Dave Brat is not a one-issue guy. He basically campaigned as a reaganite.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  107. oh.

    The hotairs said he proved himself to be ill-equipped on the msnbc to discuss issues unrelated to the immigrations.

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  108. Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 6/11/2014 @ 2:05 pm

    Dave Brat is not a one-issue guy. He basically campaigned as a reaganite

    The reader who wrote to Morning Jolt thought he might even have been less conservative than Cantor (but one caveat – cantor’s 95% ACA rating is because of party loyalty)

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  109. Dave Brat is actually an economics professor at Randolph-Macon College in VA.
    I would assume he can discuss some issues.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  110. he said he could talk about issues and stuff but he needed a nap first

    we’ll see in the coming days and weeks I guess

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  111. Blacque Jacques Shellacque (9940a5) — 6/10/2014 @ 11:06 pm

    According to the White House, Cantor didn’t lose because of his stance on amnesty.

    I sure hope the Republican “leadership” isn’t stupid enough to actually believe that horsecrap.

    It’s true. He lost, not because of the issue itself, but because he attempted to finesse the issue and was not believed.

    They compare him to Lindsey Graham.

    Of course, Lindsey Graham was not some half unknown person to his constituents, had other issues (chiefly military) he was big on, and did not have a campaign waged against him on this issue.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  112. 96. Cantor’s aide was claiming Cantor kept some money in reserve. But the truth is, his spending probably hurt him. He must not have been believed.

    So even if the aide is right (about Cantor saving money) he’s wrong.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  113. 105. What this shows is that you don’t need too much of a campaign to have a chance, and talk radio is extremely important in a primary.

    So maybe New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has a reason for running scared. Not only in getting the Independence Party nomination, but Working Families. You’d think he’d want to kill off the party

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  114. Hopefully he is not going to be a re-run of some of the other “God-sends” from past GOP primaries…we know the roster; Sharron Angle, Christine O’Donnell, Richard Mourdoch, Ken Buck, Todd Akin,et al.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  115. Not yet online: Aaron Klein’s column in the Jewish Press.

    Same person involved in Bergdahl and Benghazi security.

    I’ll summarize or post link when it becomes available.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  116. he’s put the boehnerpoofters on notice and even if that’s the sum total of his contribution going forward, it was a valuable one

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  117. Eric didn’t remember the power of the people. Pursuing a policy that is clearly against the wishes of your constituents will get you fired. This is democracy at work ; power belongs to the people. This is a lesson to all, especially to Washington.

    The Emperor (fc6588)

  118. Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 6/11/2014 @ 2:33 pm

    Todd Akin was Claire McCaskill’s hand picked candidate. The TEA Party was supporting a woman that Akin defeated with the help of McCaskill financed ads attacking his opponent.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  119. askeptic,

    Right, and keep in mind, the VA primary that Cantor lost was also an open primary.
    Also, I never said Akin was a tea party guy.

    I just hope he doesn’t become yet another one of the “not ready for prime time” GOP nominees who thinks that winning a contested primary makes them so invincible that they can talk about women’s uteruses, rape, abortion, witchcraft, and God’s will, and still win the general election.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  120. That comment at 2:33 wasn’t at all predictable.

    Akin wasn’t the Tea Party candidate, either. Not that it hasn’t been pointed out ad nauseum.

    JD (0b1656)

  121. Since this was a high-turnout primary, and the incumbent got spanked; even if the Dems were running an ‘Operation Chaos’, their candidate in the General is even more out-of-touch with the District.
    Congressman Brat!

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  122. Askeptic – since the Dems in that district didn’t bother to field a viable candidate, it seems unlikely that they were a me to organize to an extent that would allow them to alter the course of the Team R primary.

    JD (0b1656)

  123. JD #121,

    Hey, champ, try reading people’s comments in their entirety before you go all Errol Flynn with your sword against a straw man.
    I actually wrote in #120, “I never said Akin was a tea party guy”.

    Akin, O’Donnell, Angle, Buck, Mourdoch, et al, all ran bad general election campaigns.
    Let’s hope that Brat runs a good general election campaign.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  124. Hey, champ. I was typing while you were posting. And I am shocked shocked shocked that you choose to go after conservatives who had the temerity to challenge establishment candidates. Brat is clearly not electable.

    JD (0b1656)

  125. JD,

    It took you three minutes to type that 25 word (#121) post ? You must have been talking on the phone or feeding the dog while you were typing. LOL.
    That’s cool.
    But do you really consider me naming people who ran sh*tty general election campaigns to be an example of me “going after” them ?
    We may be disappointed that they ran sh*tty campaigns, but they did.
    The consequences of sending “not ready for prime time players” to the prime time line-up is profound. And Akin, O’Donnell, Buck, Angle, and Mourdoch all got canceled due to low Nielsen Ratings.
    I’m for conservatives, but conservatives who can handle reporters, and who also realize that publicly talking about women’s uteruses is a booby trap that the left wing media sets.

    I hope Dave Brat is ready for prime time.
    Laura Ingraham seems to have faith in him, so that’s a good start.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

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  127. We know you prefer the establishment folks. That is pretty well established. I apologize from the depths of my soul for not only commenting, but doing other things as well. My ability to do so seems to give you much consternation. Sometimes, I may start a comment, and have to step away, come back and finish, before I press send. It is a truly unique feature that many others do not encounter.

    JD (0b1656)

  128. Post #127 was Kismet, you two lovebirds. Get a room!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  129. JD,

    You’re seriously taking yourself too seriously.
    I was seriously teasing you about multi-tasking.

    By the way, I don’t prefer “establishment” types—that’s just silly silliness.
    I’m a huge Reagan fan, and he was the ultimate ‘tea party’ guy.
    I just believe that the primary is the appropriate time for intra-mural brawls, but once we have a nominee, we should get behind them, whether its Sharron Angle, or Christine O’Donnell, or Mitt Romney, or Dave Brat, or Eric Cantor. That’s because we will be governed by politicians, whether we like them, love them, hate them, or don’t even know their name.
    They will do things to affect our lives, our money, and our society, so we may as well limit the damage by choosing the lesser of two evils, if that is how one perceives a particular election.

    Because while some of our “pure” friends are at home in the comfort of their underground bunker on Election Day, all of Acorn’s people will be voting. And so will dead people in Chicago, Philly, and Dallas. And illegals in every state.
    Community organizers don’t work much, but they do work twenty hours on Election Day.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  130. John No Brainer should either give up the gavel or shove it.
    Fascist Sotero must really have something on this established shill of a Speaker.

    mg (31009b)

  131. it does indeed feel as if we are at a crux Mr. mg

    it’s very worrisome when you think on how willing and eager the Lugarpublicans can be to side with fascism and stand against our teadoodle friends

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  132. Cantor will make a great telephone money collector for Public Television.

    mg (31009b)

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