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4/27/2014

The President Picks and Chooses

Filed under: General — Dana @ 8:01 am

[guest post by Dana]

All the way from Kuala Lumpur, President Obama has weighed in on the “incredibly offensive statements” made by the owner of the L.A. Clippers, Donald Sterling.

When questioned by the press about the comments, the president remarked,

When ignorant folks want to advertise their ignorance, you don’t really have to do anything, you just let them talk.

The president appeared more than willing to expound on racism in our country,

“[W]e constantly have to be on guard on racial attitudes that divide us rather than embracing our diversity as a strength.

The United States continues to wrestle with the legacy of race and slavery and segregation, that’s still there, the vestiges of discrimination.

We’ve made enormous strides, but you’re going to continue to see this percolate up every so often. And I think that we just have to be clear and steady in denouncing it, teaching our children differently, but also remaining hopeful that part of why statements like this stand out some much is because there has been this shift in how we view ourselves.

Still no comment from President Obama, in spite of the public outcry, about the noted black female scholar and American citizen whose invitation from a prestigious American university to have an honorary degree bestowed upon her was later reneged by said university.

–Dana

228 Responses to “The President Picks and Chooses”

  1. When ignorant folks want to advertise their ignorance, you don’t really have to do anything, you just let them talk.

    Isn’t that the pot calling the kettle, well, you know…

    J.P. (bd0246)

  2. “When ignorant folks want to advertise their ignorance, you don’t really have to do anything, you just let them talk.”

    Which is, of course, the genesis of TOTUS on the 2008 campaign trail.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  3. Greetings:

    Will a little “compare and contrast” be forthcoming on US Attorney General Eric Holder’s “My people” comment ???

    11B40 (6abb5c)

  4. Still no comment from President Obama, in spite of the public outcry, about the noted black female scholar and American citizen whose invitation from a prestigious American university to have an honorary degree bestowed upon her was later reneged by said university.

    In the President’s defense, he probably hasn’t been asked about her, so he hasn’t weighed in on the matter. I think it’s shameful that the press hasn’t asked about her, but you can’t blame the Pres for not answering a question he hasn’t been asked.

    Chuck Bartkowksi (ad54b9)

  5. Be clean and articulate without a Negro dialect. You’ll go far in life.

    That said, I’m shedding no tears for fat-bellied old men who say stupid things when they are not in a position to get away with it. Put them on the ice floe if they can’t chew hides anymore.

    nk (dbc370)

  6. Sterling, an NAACP award winning Democrat.

    Rodney King's Spirit (ca9e04)

  7. The refelxive support for people like Sterling and Bundy by squishy conservatives puts me in mind of limousine liberal policies of cheap compassion for compassion’s sake as exemplified by Detroit, Venezuela, Angkor Wat, Lumpur, and Machu Pichu.

    nk (dbc370)

  8. When ignorant folks want to advertise their ignorance, you don’t really have to do anything, you just let them talk.

    I heard this on Face the Nation.

    That’s a very mild, noncomittal statement, and indicates he doesn’t want to kick a man when he’s down, or endorse any boycotts etc. He’s telling people to lay off.

    Now the truth of the matter is, and I think Barack Obama knows it, is that that statement or tirade by the L.A. Clippers owner, Donald Sterling,had nothing to do with racism, but rather it had everything to do with jealously, possibly quite justified, and is being misrepresented. It just so happened that all the men he was talking about were black.

    He was about 80 and she was in her 20s, and she was very friendly with some people, including phony AIDS victim (my opinion) Magic Johnson, and now he or his wife are suing her, accusing her of being after his money, and of having embezzled $1.8 million. (also of having gotten him to buy her two very expensive cars, worth together over $500,000)

    This actually is retaliation for the lawsuit.

    Sammy Finkelman (6ee5be)

  9. As proof of some kind of deep dyed racism – that somehow didn’t stop him from owning a basketball team – a housing discrimination case is brought up. But that was clearly an (illegal) business decision. He wanted to exclude blacks, Hispanics, and anyone at all with chidren.

    Sammy Finkelman (6ee5be)

  10. Don Sterling is a Richard Cranium.
    He was an RC before buying the Clippers (then in San Diego);
    he was an RC for moving them to Los Angeles – because San Diego was too far to drive from his home in Beverly Hills;
    he remained an RC for not moving them – when he had the chance – from Staples Center to the Arrowhead Pond (Honda Center, now) in Anaheim (for the same reason as immediately above);
    and he remains, and will remain, an RC just because he’s Donald Sterling.
    So, the question remains Los Angeles, why would you give this RC your money in the form of box-office tickets at Clippers’ games, or eyeballs on the boob-tube for same?
    Why? You’re only rewarding his RC’ism.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  11. So an obviously rich old man and a pretty young girl walk into a bar, arm in arm, and the bartenders says, “I’m sorry, we don’t serve miners”. And the old man says, “You mean minors, and she’s 23″. And the bartender says, “I mean miners, and she looks like a golddigger to me”.

    nk (dbc370)

  12. I think he was referring to not wanting this chick bringing her lovers to games.

    The fact she likes black dudes is a whole other issue.

    Rodney King's Spirit (ca9e04)

  13. She’s not exactly Scandinavian herself.

    nk (dbc370)

  14. When ignorant folks want to advertise their ignorance, you don’t really have to do anything, you just let them talk.

    Said without a hint of irony.

    [W]e constantly have to be on guard on racial attitudes that divide us rather than embracing our diversity as a strength.

    Said the Racebaiter-in-Chief.

    The United States continues to wrestle with the legacy of race and slavery and segregation

    How is this helpful, Mr President?

    Kevin M (b11279)

  15. Living in LA, you come to know Donald T Sterling as the kind of man who will give $10,000 to a charity and then spend $200,000 on media notices that he made the donation. In short, a gaping ahole.

    So, this is the sea he swims in, and if some pack of piranha is going after Mr Shark, who tf cares?

    Kevin M (b11279)

  16. How is this helpful, Mr President?

    It’s his only qualification.

    nk (dbc370)

  17. I hope Big Zero has a sit-down with his fellow Democrat Sterling and sorts this all out.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  18. Have there been any rumors going around the sports world to the effect that someone or a group of investors might be wanting to take over the Clippers from the aging and senile Mr. Sterling? This episode, the publicity, and the timing sort of have ye old “it’s business” smell to it. (You know, like when people are forced off land so somebody else can use it or buy it cheap.)

    elissa (2a9d77)

  19. Comment by Rodney King’s Spirit (ca9e04) — 4/27/2014 @ 10:21 am

    I think he was referring to not wanting this chick bringing her lovers to games.

    The fact she likes black dudes is a whole other issue.

    That’s what I think, except that he seems to have used the word “people” instead of “men.”

    Maybe he was tripped up by his use of gender-neutral language.

    Sammy Finkelman (6ee5be)

  20. Comment by elissa (2a9d77) — 4/27/2014 @ 10:46 am

    This episode, the publicity, and the timing sort of have ye old “it’s business” smell to it. (You know, like when people are forced off land so somebody else can use it or buy it cheap.)

    It might have more to do with the lawsuit, and what might be found out if it was pursued.

    His wife accuses her also of having helped hide money from her.

    Sammy Finkelman (6ee5be)

  21. The New York Daily News has three different earlier, bad remarks by Donald Sterling (time and date said, not specified).

    Sammy Finkelman (6ee5be)

  22. Noted IL has backed off on contributing $100 Mil to the Ogabe slush archive.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  23. ==The refelxive support for people like Sterling and Bundy by squishy conservatives puts me in mind of limousine liberal policies of cheap compassion for compassion’sake as exemplified by Detroit, Venezuela, Angkor Wat, Lumpur, and Machu Pichu.
    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 4/27/2014 @ 10:08 am==

    Please. We strive for accuracy and logic here, nk. Sure, there are compassionate limousines in Detroit but no limousines are allowed in Machu Picchu. There are many many vizcacha thriving among the ruins of Machu Picchu. In contrast, there are quite possibly many many large squishy rats, but no vizcacha scamper among the ruins of Detroit. What a suspect and lousy argument you have put forth!

    elissa (2a9d77)

  24. 5. LOL. I don’t get the ROI on the floozy. Heidi Klum is available for under $1.8 Billion I’d be guessing and she is HOT!.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  25. Quinn has enough problems with his income tax hike. And slush fund is exactly right. If the President Elect’s library is going to be in Chicago it’s going to be built by cronies on land owned by cronies furnished by cronies and staffed by cronies.

    nk (dbc370)

  26. 27. BTW, I’m not suggesting Heidi would do anything for his estate other than look herself.

    She could be wearing ear plugs.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  27. You culd be right, elissa, if I did not suspect you of definite pro-feminist attitudes in this matter. I cannot help but be reminded of the current U.S. Supreme Court case where a man driving a pickup truck was stopped by the police on the basis of a cellphone call by a woman. It is an example of tolerant attitude toward women based on tolerance for tolerance’s sake that can be seen in the history of Alexandria, Memphis, Luxor, Moldovia, and Surinam.

    nk (dbc370)

  28. ==Noted IL has backed off on contributing $100 Mil to the Ogabe slush archive.==

    Yep. There is no money and it was never going to happen, of course. But the Dems were able to manufacture, write and get the desired headlines they needed to rouse their base before midterms:

    (Racist) Republicans vote unanimously against Obama library

    elissa (2a9d77)

  29. elissa–

    In the best of times, one could buy the Clippers cheap. They are to the Lakers as the Washington Generals are to the Globetrotters.

    Kevin M (b11279)

  30. I wonder how many Democrat candidates and PACs are rushing to return his donations. After all, it’s slavery money.

    Kevin M (b11279)

  31. It wasn’t nearly the most foolish thing he said;

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/27/obama-malaysia-asia-china/8249119/

    narciso (3fec35)

  32. May not have been much in the way of cash donations. After all… he’s a Democrat.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  33. Divorce lawyer (ironic) and real estate tycoon, yes he has some spare change, to throw,

    narciso (3fec35)

  34. 34. I keep wondering when the Right, peeing all over itself in fear of Hilarity, offering up weak teat Rand as lip service to ‘compromise’, will get an ‘effin clue.

    That’s easy, they will not.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  35. Why does Obummer need a library?
    Is there any evidence that he has the ability to either read or write?

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  36. ah, yes Rand, I forgot about him, he ran from Cliven like a scalded dog,

    narciso (3fec35)

  37. He is supposed to get the Lifetime Achievement award from the NAACP which will now go into negotiations with how much a donation he needs to make to get taken off the hook.

    AZ Bob (533fbc)

  38. The United States continues to wrestle with the legacy of fascism and class-warfare and communism, that’s still there, the vestiges of totalitarianism.

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  39. What, we’re expecting consistency, or even a sense of being polite, from an 81-year-old billionaire who’s dumping his wife (they’re still legally married) for a twenty-something model? Yeah, he’s a Democrat, and a Jooooo as the esteemed Jeff Goldstein would spell it, who has given to liberal causes, but I wonder what the feminists think of keeping a trophy girlfriend?

    It won’t be long before he is stone-cold graveyard dead, and it is amusing to think of what his girlfriend will get if Rochelle Stein, Mr Sterling’s wife survives him.

    The slightly amused Dana (af9ec3)

  40. About that Brandeis thing:

    http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/brandeiss-dishonor-diaries/2014/04/20/

    this is the mosque the Tsarnaev’s frequented, founded by an fellow of exceeding orthodox notions,

    narciso (3fec35)

  41. i don’t think food stamp really picks and chooses I think that Valerie hoochie tells him what to say and he says it

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  42. he’s just not a very smart man

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  43. Well, he was smart enough to fool 51% of the people when it mattered.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  44. They are confusing her “high cheekbones” with a low forehead.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  45. and many people confuse alleged intellectual prowess for competence.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-27/why-intellectual-leadership-can-get-us-all-killed

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  46. Since it’s clear that no one–I mean NO ONE–can be permitted to have this or anything like this in his own private mind, here’s what needs to happen:

    Starting with every owner of a major sports franchise, he or she should be brought in for interrogation. Sodium pentothal should be administered so we can find out what these people conceal in the very depths of their souls. If they harbor any of these forbidden thoughts, maybe a lobotomy is appropriate.

    Joe Miller (22fd0f)

  47. Comment by Joe Miller (22fd0f) — 4/27/2014 @ 2:46 pm

    It would be easier, and cheaper, to just re-legalize dueling.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  48. If Donald Sterling has merely been a Senator who was a former kleagle of the KKK or if he had been a 2008 Democrat presidential candidate recorded making a crack about not being able to work at a Dunkin’ Donuts or a 7/Eleven unless you have an Indian accent, then I’m sure it would be no big deal.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  49. 7. The refelxive support for people like Sterling and Bundy by squishy conservatives puts me in mind of limousine liberal policies of cheap compassion for compassion’s sake as exemplified by Detroit, Venezuela, Angkor Wat, Lumpur, and Machu Pichu.

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 4/27/2014 @ 10:08 am

    Sorry, I don’t put Bundy in the same category as Sterling. When I saw the militarized police show up in the hundreds it put me in mind of a novel I read years ago. During WWII some Merchant Mariner is commissioned into one of the various Royal Navy reserve or auxiliary forces that they had back then (they had a bewildering array which I think even a Brit would have a hard time sorting out) and put in command of a tug the RN commandeered for the duration. His predecessor had been killed rescuing the boat’s mascot, a cat, during an air raid.

    The new CO thinks his predecessor was an idiot.

    So he takes over the ship. He doesn’t like the cat but lets the crew keep it. Then one day while escorting a convoy to Murmansk they get attacked by the Luftwaffe flying out of Norway. One of the German fighters escorting the bombers peels off and attacks his boat, obviously aiming for the cat that was sunning itself on the forecastle. And something snaps inside the new guy because the sight of the German war machine bearing down on a cat just struck him as grotesque. So he finds himself duplicating his predecessor although he manages to remain unkilled by the Nazis.

    I already knew Bundy wasn’t very bright because he was making such a stupid argument in court no one would represent him. Whether or not he’s a racist I don’t know because he later issued a garbled message about MLK and Rosa Parks and being able to sit anywhere on the bus. So I do know he’s not a member of Mensa and when the BLM drives him out of business his next career won’t involve raking in fat fees giving speeches.

    But then I didn’t inquire about all those people who needlessly lost their homes because of the disastrous Kelo decision. I’m told the neighborhood was diverse. So as far as I know it could have been a 50-50 mix of Klansmen and Jew-hating Farrakhan devotees. It was still wrong.

    Steve57 (525198)

  50. the pet rock of the day, is aggregiously wrong:

    http://nypost.com/2014/04/26/ridiculously-far-left-economist-is-candy-for-liberals/

    the previous one was Tom Frank,

    narciso (3fec35)

  51. I would submit the fact that the Arizona VA is killing veterans by making them wait disgracefully long times for healthcare then cooking the books in order to pad their bonuses is more important than the racist ramblings of some dopey Basketball team owner. Our esteemed Dear Leader apparently disagrees.

    Funeral Guy (26d185)

  52. Is there a solid reason why anyone on this side of the divide should care about an intramural scrimmage on racism between Democrats? I fail to see one.

    All of the problems this country faces and this is Topic #1?!?!?!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  53. Let Liberal Democrat Sterling give back his Lifetime Achievement Award he’s due to receive next month from the NAACP. Problem solved.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  54. Like you may have noted Colonel, this story is only good enough to illustrate the total bearded spock world of everything that does matter,

    narciso (3fec35)

  55. 63. Let Liberal Democrat Sterling give back his Lifetime Achievement Award he’s due to receive next month from the NAACP. Problem solved.

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/27/2014 @ 5:36 pm

    Too late, Coronello, Sterling’s already bought and paid for it.

    I really could care less what they do. But I’ll be damned if I’m going to let a bunch of people who give whores a bad name lecture me about right and wrong.

    Steve57 (525198)

  56. I tend toward the opinion that the Massacre of Affirmative Action is off the front page so soon because of JEF.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  57. Purple state ME straw poll via Breitbart:

    Paul topped the field with 176 votes out of 690 cast, with Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) finishing second with 98 votes. Wisconsin GOP Gov. Scott Walker rounded out the top three vote-getters in the straw poll with 70 votes, while Dr. Ben Carson placed fourth with 62 votes.

    Establishment Republicans like New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, and House Budget Committee chairman Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) couldn’t even break the top four in the Maine GOP straw poll. Christie placed fifth with 60 votes, Bush sixth with 57 votes, and Ryan seventh with 37. Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), former Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, Texas Gov. Rick Perry, former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA), Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, and Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-NH) all received fewer than 30 votes.

    More reason to dump the Blue states.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  58. There will always be people who think and even say mean and nasty things, some about race, and nothing will stop that.
    Is the biggest problem in the world, in the country, in any state, in any city, on any street, in any of our back yards, the fact that some rich guy who pays black athletes millions of dollars to play basketball said something derogatory?
    There were people who gave their lives in the struggle against racism and for civil rights, I don’t think they were looking for a day when no one would get caught saying something bad. I think making a big fuss over someone saying something trivializes real issues.
    I bet they have made more fuss about this than all of the black youths murdered in big cities in the whole last 6 months put together.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  59. Someone needs help reading her chicken entrails:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/27/GOP-Leader-Obamacare-Is-Likely-Here-to-Stay

    Heaven forbid her attempting TEA leafs.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  60. 69. Amen.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  61. This time around the provincial colonies are leading from behind:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/04/27/times-poll-puts-ukip-in-first-place

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  62. Still no comment from President Obama, in spite of the public outcry, about the noted black female scholar and American citizen whose invitation from a prestigious American university to have an honorary degree bestowed upon her was later reneged by said university.

    –Dana

    Because wrong color she is! Miss Rice color of conservative, not color of liberal!

    Yoda (557254)

  63. The refelxive support for people like Sterling and Bundy by squishy conservatives puts me in mind of limousine liberal policies of cheap compassion for compassion’s sake as exemplified by Detroit, Venezuela, Angkor Wat, Lumpur, and Machu Pichu.

    LOL. Smart aleck. But, nk, you have to admit that plenty of people in today’s era do fall for the ethos of compassion for compassion’s sake, and I can think of a few regulars right here in this very forum who — at least on occasion — are vulnerable to that.

    Meanwhile, I’ve just finished listening to the audio of the call between Sterling and his honey, and that combined with court transcripts I’ve read regarding some legal wrangling he had with a prostitute several years ago makes me now realize my quip about his being similar to Bill Clinton probably was more accurate than even I sensed at the time. IOW, I really do see Sterling as being the type who’d give high fives to Clinton not in spite of but because of his escapades with Monica.

    As for Sterling’s politics and ideology, I’m not sure if they’re necessarily of the left as much as they may be that peculiar, opportunistic form of amorality that tilts towards liberals because they’re perceived by scroungebags as being more easily manipulated and therefore easier to corrupt. That’s why Sterling probably smugly and cynically accepted an award from the ultra-liberal NAACP several years ago, and why he was going to smugly accept one from the same group today until controversy ensued.

    Perhaps his willingness to get sexual favors from non-white women is why he truly thought he deserved such an honor.

    Mark (59e5be)

  64. Yoda, the naturalized citizen in question is Ayaan Hirsi Ali, she is!

    Steve57 (525198)

  65. 0: When ignorant folks want to advertise their ignorance, you don’t really have to do anything, you just let them talk. And he keeps on talking, and talking, and talking, and the other ignorant folks keep on voting, and voting, and voting.

    Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. He’s getting the same result and he wants it ; are we sure he’s the ignorant one?

    htom (412a17)

  66. Oops, Yoda sorry, got confused the situation with Miss Rice and protests of her speech at another “prestigious university”, I did! But, same-same it is, is it not?

    Yoda (557254)

  67. Yoda still waiting I am to hear Preezy Ibama to say the BLM agents acted stupidly! But only crickets sounding in Yoda’s ears! Guess Mr. Bundy not have right qualifications I guess!

    Yoda (557254)

  68. Ask Condoleeza Rice and Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Yoda, you must. Expert on this, Steve57 is not.

    Steve57 (525198)

  69. Steve57,
    Too late, Coronello, Sterling’s already bought and paid for it.
    Perhaps he kept the receipt?

    Gazzer (4f9f45)

  70. 72. This might have something to do with the UK elections:

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/04/uk-churchill-quotation-gets-liberty-gb-leader-paul-weston-arrested

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  71. “When ignorant folks want to advertise their ignorance, you don’t really have to do anything, you just let them talk.”

    Harry Truman

    “When ignorant folks want to advertise their ignorance, you don’t really have to do anything, you just let them talk.”

    Barack Obama

    Hmm. At least he could have given some credit for his plagiarizing. Since his VP is Biden, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

    And since the lap-dog media doesn’t care, I am certainly not astonished.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  72. Also, did I miss something? Is this well-known? I mean, did everyone know he was quoting Truman? If so, never mind.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  73. Ag80, I think most of us are past the point of caring.

    Steve57 (525198)

  74. Do not object to being labeled Racist, you will only make your accuser mad.

    http://theothermccain.com/2014/04/27/its-2014-why-arent-you-racist-yet/

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  75. Harry Truman

    Damn. The irony of the irony. From the race-baiting of Obama to the bigotry of one of his left-leaning, Democrat-registered predecessors. The irony is too thick to cut with even the sharpest of knives.

    latimes.com, July 2003: Many who are aware of Harry Truman’s support for Israel and his desegregation of the armed forces are shocked by the anti-Semitic statements contained in his recently discovered 1947 diary. But Truman’s bigotry comes as little surprise to historians who have studied the man and his career.

    Truman’s ugly comments about Jews being “very, very selfish” and, as such, not caring “how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered,” or his charge that “neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the underdog,” are distressingly consistent with his disparaging views about other racial and ethnic minorities. As a younger man, he wrote in a 1911 letter to his wife, Bess: “I think one man is as good as another so long as he’s honest and decent and not a nigger or a Chinaman.”

    Even his reverential biographer, Merle Miller, admitted in the Truman biography “Plain Speaking” that later in life “privately Mr. Truman always said ‘nigger’; at least he always did when I talked to him.” He also often privately referred to Jews as “kikes.”

    Truman’s racism and anti-Semitism may surprise many Americans because he has been sanctified in recent years by hagiographic biographers such as David McCullough and by Democrats and Republicans who admire his leadership during the Cold War.

    ^ Truman, incidentally, went out on the campaign trail and specifically lambasted conservatives—ie, he used that very word and not just “Republicans.” He also supported the idea of publicly funded healthcare back in the 1940s, 1950s.

    BTW, it’s astonishing how few Americans, regardless of political affiliation or ideology (but, natch, particularly if they’re of the left or devout Democrats), are aware of the racism/bigotry of not just Truman but also that of his former boss, Franklin D Roosevelt and, in turn, Roosevelt’s truly left-leaning predecessor in the US presidency, Woodrow Wilson.

    Gotta love liberals.

    Mark (59e5be)

  76. You know, steve, I almost kind of agree with you. However, what if a Republican, conservative or libertarian responded in the same manner without attribution?

    I think the media would be researching the response to see if anyone else said something similar. I also think anyone on the right would be crucified for the response without a nod to the historical record.

    The fight of the right is not simply whether big government is best for the people. It is also regaining the truth.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  77. I’m not primarily concerned if the revolution is properly footnoted and we have the bibliography all worked out. I’m thinking that’s something that can wait for later.

    Sorry if that makes me a bad person.

    Steve57 (525198)

  78. There’s something worse than being black and facing racism. It is relying on government with which there is no redress at all.

    http://www.ebony.com/wellness-empowerment/when-doctors-slam-the-doors-on-the-newly-insured-304#ixzz2yOYB4ple

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  79. Steve: Well, we simply have to disagree with no offence intended. It certainly does not make you a bad person.

    Of course there is an however or a regardless:

    As Superman, I do indeed believe in truth, justice and the American way.

    I have no use for Republicans or Democrats who plagiarize or lie.

    My liberal friends who assume I am stupid because I tend to support the right have no idea why I reluctantly support our current right.

    I support the right politically simply because it is – whether intentionally or ignorantly – preventing us the horror of socialism.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  80. Here’s another quote from Harry Truman that I wish the President would steal:

    “America was not built on fear. America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand.”

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  81. Ag80, I don’t think we have a major disagreement. It’s just a matter of prioritization.

    Steve57 (525198)

  82. Yes, Truman was a Prendergast man, not too keen on Jews, even though he had some as friends, had a distaste for the Marines, however the alternative was Wallace, the Kremlin’s wacky acolyte, no contest,

    narciso (3fec35)

  83. Still no comment from President Obama, in spite of the public outcry, about the noted black female scholar and American citizen whose invitation from a prestigious American university to have an honorary degree bestowed upon her was later reneged by said university.

    While this statement may feel good to write, it is falsely equivocates Hirsi Ali’s treatment as based on racism. It is not the case that she was granted the honorary degree and invited to speak before anyone knew he skin color and then it was all rescinded.

    Oh by the way, Hirsi Ali is an atheist. Interesting how quickly you suddenly prop up one of the “ignorant” people who think we are all “soulless blobs of flesh” who cant assign value to human life.

    Gil (27c98f)

  84. …had a distaste for the Marines

    Of course. The haberdasher was an Army artillery officer in WWI. And the Marines stole all the glory at Belleau Wood. Truman was PO’d. They all were.

    Which is why in WWII, except for the Marine detachments on capital ships which they could do nothing about, no way no how were Marines going to be allowed in the European theater and detract from the all-Army show.

    Steve57 (525198)

  85. Yeah, Gil, we know Ayaan Hirsi Ali is an atheist. So?

    Steve57 (525198)

  86. I suppose if people had mutilated my genitals because of religion I might be an atheist, too.

    Steve57 (525198)

  87. #19, elissa, thanks for the insightful speculation, it’s certainly possible that well concealed and deviously clever self-interests could be driving the controversy.

    Of the possible conspirators, Sterling’s wife could be in cahoots with the girlfriend to grab the team away from the old fool, or the girlfriend might be secretly in the employ of another would-be franchise owner, one who once played the game quite well. In either case the girlfriend has very dirty hands.

    ropelight (84902e)

  88. Ag80 – remember when the Left freaked out over Rand Paul plagiarizing something because he didn’t footnote it the way they thought it should be done?

    JD (191f33)

  89. 96. Warning to all regulars, the wider public is certain to take mention of Mr. Sterling as our somehow making him into an hero.

    At least this certainly seems to be the trend.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  90. The Spokesmodel has addressed criticism of his foreign policy and the absence of positive results relative to sucky ones as proof that we are all, those who question his Magnificence, interventionists.

    And closet racists, natch.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  91. Toyota has chosen defensible borders over taxes.

    Let the stampede begin.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  92. 102. More, on those who will follow:

    Southern California rivals Michigan as a U.S. automotive center. While it lacks large-scale vehicle manufacturing, the region has U.S. sales and marketing headquarters for Honda Motor Co. (7267), Hyundai Motor Co., Kia Motors Corp., Mazda Motor Corp. and Mitsubishi Motors Corp., along with Toyota. It is also the nation’s top automotive design center with 14 major studios, the largest concentration in the U.S.

    Toyota Financial Services, the biggest auto finance company in the U.S., and Honda’s American Honda Finance Co. also in Torrance, makes the region a hub of lending and loans for dealers and car buyers.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  93. Can the US government demonstrate any indisputable competence at all?

    Here’s your chance azzlappers.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-27/russian-billions-scattered-abroad-leave-trail-to-putin-circle.html

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  94. We can’t wait to hear the explanation:

    http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/11/lee-harvey-oswald-quietly-added-cia-memorial-wall/#!GaHGi

    It’s probably nothing.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  95. So, gary, if I have occasion to visit Dartmouth where do I park my Ford Unmentionable ST?

    http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-ford-fiesta-st-hatchback-first-drive-review

    All of us hombres hanging out Casa de Steve57 are dying to find out, por favor.

    Steve57 (525198)

  96. Duffelblog is a military satire blog, Leiter is James Bond’s colleague, and Calthorp if memory serves was the handle of the assassin in the original ‘Day of the Jackal’

    narciso (342f74)

  97. The Duffel blog is ausgezeichnet.

    http://www.duffelblog.com/2014/04/atheist-lt-christianity/#!F8uSl

    Atheist Lieutenant Annoys Entire Platoon Into Christianity

    FORT SILL, Okla. — An Army platoon leader was shocked to learn that his entire platoon had converted to Christianity en masse this week, despite his condescending and lengthy talks about his own lack of belief in God.

    …“I grew up Catholic,” said Sgt. 1st Class Eric Hernandez, the platoon sergeant, who noted that he fell away from religion later in life. “But with the lieutenant always throwing it in my face, saying I worshipped a dead guy nailed to a tree, making remarks about all priests being pedophiles, that s*** just got to me.”

    Noting that his cousin was studying to enter the priesthood, Hernandez told reporters he got so upset that he finally prayed about it. “That’s when the Lord spoke to me and said, ‘f*** the lieutenant.’ So I started going back to Mass, and now I’m as devout as my parents ever were. Because screw that guy.”

    Other soldiers in the platoon concur with Hernandez’ general sentiment, noting that Garrison, upon discovering a soldier practiced an active faith, would make snide comments about having an imaginary friend or reference the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

    “He even made us watch this stupid-@$$ Richard Dawkins documentary in the dayroom during lunch,” said Sgt. Tom Hemry. “The lieutenant thinks that Dawkins is like the patron saint of atheists. That guy is more like the patron saint of condescending @$$holes. It’s like those anti-smoking ads, and how they’re so obnoxious they make you want to smoke…”

    Steve57 (525198)

  98. Pure farfegnugen.

    Steve57 (525198)

  99. 96.Yeah, Gil, we know Ayaan Hirsi Ali is an atheist. So?

    It was what – one week ago that we all read Dana’s opinion that people who believe we are “nothing but soulless blobs of flesh” have no problem burning fetus remains for energy cannot find value in human life. But here there is a quick about face and defending an atheist who is valuing human life in the face of muslim oppression of women. Just pointing out the inconsistency. Again this might not be your position, but Dana wrote it.

    97.I suppose if people had mutilated my genitals because of religion I might be an atheist, too.

    Have you seen a religious circumsision? Maybe Christians dont do it for religious reasons – but it is a holdover from Judaism. Oh and lets not argue its for medical reasons. I think a better approach might have been to command “Though shalt properly clean your privates”

    Gil (febf10)

  100. What was interesting was Suhail Webb’s support of the Hirsi Ali prohibition, he runs the ISB Mosque for Quradawi, the fellow who thinks stoning gays is a good start, but you know Mayor Walsh thinks chick a fil, goes too far,

    narciso (342f74)

  101. So the articles on Oswald and the atheist lieutenant are parodies? Such material is subtle enough that I could have easily fallen for it being legit, which shows just how natural it is to be very cynical and suspicious about the government — and no amount of dirt about it being seen immediately as probably over-the-top — in 2014.

    BTW, nothing has been said about how Donald Sterling has been a big supporter — at least indirectly — of one of the biggest mouthpieces of the left in the LA area, that being the LA Times. He is notorious for giving that paper probably millions of dollars through the years for placing in its pages relatively large advertisements (infamous for the cheesy way they’re assembled) that tout both his name and real-estate holdings, and personal claims to fame, including his philanthropy.

    The last time I leafed through a hard copy of that newspaper, I saw one of his ads and was interested in the way — after all these years — he was still wasting both his time and money for a bit of self-aggrandizement in the dead-tree media.

    Mark (59e5be)

  102. Gil, I do not trust you to honestly treat anyone else’s argument or reliably restate it. I myself have stated that pro-abortion types who insist that the unborn are not human beings have essentially painted themselves in a corner. They have to insist that they have the right to do with their own bodies what they want. Which would be true, if only we are talking about their own bodies. But a fetus is not a pancreas. A fetus is a genetically distinct human being. The fetus is neither the mother nor the father, but its own being. This is not a matter of religion, but a demonstrable fact. Yet the pro-abort types grow more hysterical as the science catches up with them, and practically demand we treat fetuses with contempt.

    As for religious circumcision, removing the foreskin and leaving the organ intact and functional is not remotely comparable to a clitorectomy.

    Steve57 (525198)

  103. Lee Oswald’s job at the sensitive Atsugi Air Base was linked to high altitude control of U-2 spy flights over the USSR. At the time, of his so-called defection, he was a CIA contract operator trained by the military in the Russian language as part of his Marine Corps duties. After Francis Gary Powers was “shot down” events unfolded in ways Oswald wasn’t needed in the role of patsy, so he returned to the US.

    Oswald remained on the CIA payroll after he returned and during his time training anti-Castro Cubans for Second Naval Gorilla along with David Ferrie and Clay (Burtrand) Shaw. Later, after he moved to Dallas Oswald fulfilled his designated role as patsy for the JFK assassination, a role he was born to play, but be assured the Agency doesn’t give out stars like they do in Hollywood for B movie actors.

    ropelight (84902e)

  104. Steve, rationals differ but both circumcision and clitoridectomy have the same objective, limiting masterbation.

    ropelight (84902e)

  105. Funny how he only comments on certain incidents. Everything else is “no comment” on pending investigations.

    Patricia (be0117)

  106. It is interesting that Sterling had his only little war on women going for decades, but it hasn’t gotten on anyone’s radar until he was racist.

    Denver Todd (e238a0)

  107. 112. Frontal lobotomy is the best advice I can offer. It will unavoidably diminish the voices, the troubled sleep and the dumb looks cast in your direction.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  108. 116. Thanx for the analysis.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  109. “Second Naval Gorilla”… must’ve had one helluva time finding a uniform that fit teh ape!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  110. 117. Steve, rationals differ but both circumcision and clitoridectomy have the same objective, limiting masterbation.

    Comment by ropelight (84902e) — 4/28/2014 @ 8:56 am

    For the sake of argument I will stipulate all the foregoing is true.

    It still doesn’t change the fact that making a minor modification to the male genitalia in terms of removing the foreskin is qualitatively different then the genital mutilation muslims inflict upon women. One leaves the basic structure intact, the other amputates it.

    It’s the difference between criticizing art and stealing it.

    Steve57 (525198)

  111. Although both have to do with art.

    Steve57 (525198)

  112. Teh intact brigade is on the way!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  113. and the poodle bites
    “not a speck of cereal”
    the poodle chews it

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  114. Jonah Goldberg last Friday in the Goldberg File:

    think it was Eugene Volokh who once wrote that sometimes societies panic over the things they have the fewest reasons to worry about. In Victorian England, there was widespread concern about the loosening of sexual mores at a time of widespread chastity. I’ve long believed that America is suffering from a similar panic about bigotry and racism. Yes, yes, bigotry and racism still exist (See, Bundy, Cliven). But they are arguably at the lowest ebb in American history.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  115. 115.Gil, I do not trust you to honestly treat anyone else’s argument or reliably restate it.

    This is directly from Dana’s post which is still readable on the bottom of the front page at the time of this writing:

    The idea that miscarried and aborted babies could be incinerated to produce energy is mind-boggling. But for those who believe that these were nothing but soulless blobs of tissue and blood, this is not a problem. And some of those people not only have no qualms about this, they might even see it as a unique way to produce energy. Do the math: with the number of abortions performed in the United States alone and approximately 800 tons of “medical waste” burned in a year at just one plant, it might be a lucrative enterprise.

    I was addressing Dana with my point about atheists. The implication she made is that we cannot assign value to a dead fetus beyond what energy it can produce because it is reduced to a “soulless blob” in our eyes. It seems to me that if atheists really did reduce people to that, they wouldnt care about womens’ rights in islam. To deride atheists for considering that we are “soulless blobs” in one post, then use an example of another atheist doing the opposite in another doesnt make much sense.

    I dont believe I misrepresented anything from the previous post. Do you disagree?

    Gil (febf10)

  116. It still doesn’t change the fact that making a minor modification to the male genitalia in terms of removing the foreskin is qualitatively different then the genital mutilation muslims inflict upon women. One leaves the basic structure intact, the other amputates it.

    It does not matter how different the two types of mutilation are from one another. They are both mutilation. For example somebody who cuts themselves repeatedly to cause scaring is said to be mutilating his/herself even though this is not changing the shape or removing part of their body. It is plain for everyone to see the grip religion has when you so easily disregard the “modification” of another persons most personal body part without their consent.

    Gil (febf10)

  117. So the sanctions are going after Sechin, hope they had woodburning stoves in Europe, they are going to need them.

    narciso (b72ffe)

  118. ==It does not matter how different the two types of mutilation are from one another. ==

    Amputation on females versus skin removal on males of all religions which was recommended and done by doctors, in hospitals, throughout much of the 20th century. Yeah it matters. A lot. Gil, you are an idiot.

    elissa (7bf732)

  119. Gil, are you Christoph?

    nk (dbc370)

  120. Except that female genital mutilation is not technically Islam, since it is only practiced in some places – it can be called “pre-Islamic” in fact.

    Apparently they are divided on this, with one school teaching that it is required by Islam.

    answering-islam.org/Sharia/fem_circumcision.html

    And it is worse in certain places.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation

    Around one in five cases is in Egypt.[82] Forty-five million women over the age of 15 who had experienced FGM were living in Egypt, Ethiopia and northern Sudan as of 2008, and nine million were in Nigeria.[83] Most of the women experience Types I and II. Type III is predominant in Djibouti, Somalia and Sudan, and in areas of Eritrea and Ethiopia near those countries. USAID estimated in 2008 that around eight million women in Africa over the age of 15 were living with Type III.[84]

    Outside Africa FGM occurs in Yemen (23 percent prevalence), among the Kurds in Iraq (giving the country an overall prevalence rate of eight percent), Indonesia and Malaysia.[85] It has been documented in India, among the Bedouin in Israel, the United Arab Emirates, and by anecdote in Colombia, Oman, Peru and Sri Lanka.[86] There are indications that it is performed in Jordan and Saudi Arabia, although no nationally representative information is available for those countries.[87] There are also immigrant communities that practise it in Australia and New Zealand, Europe, Scandinavia, the United States and Canada.[11]

    In 2013 UNICEF reported a downward trend in some countries. In Kenya and Tanzania women aged 45–49 years were three times more likely to have been cut than girls aged 15–19, and the rate among adolescents in Benin, Central African Republic, Iraq, Liberia and Nigeria had dropped by almost half.[88]

    In 2005 the organization reported that the median age at which FGM was performed had fallen in Burkina Faso, Côte d’Ivoire, Egypt, Kenya and Mali. Possible explanations include that, in countries clamping down on the practice, it is easier to cut a younger child without being discovered, and that the younger the girls are, the less they can resist.[35]

    An increase in immigration from countries which practice FGM has led to the introduction of FGM to European and North American societies.[89]

    The number of women who have undergone FGM and migrated is difficult to estimate and includes traditional immigrants, refugees, asylum seekers, and illegal immigrant.[89]

    It has been compared to footbinding in China.

    Mackie calls the support a “belief trap”: “a belief that cannot be revised because the costs of testing [it] are too high.” The cost of dissent in the case of FGM, he writes, is that the dissenters may fail to have descendants, because women who have not been circumcised may become outcasts and less likely to find husbands.[105] Sociologist Elizabeth Heger Boyle writes that, in Tanzania, the Masai will not call an uncircumcised woman “mother” when she has children, and in several communities uncut women may not be allowed to attend funerals and other public events.[106] According to UNICEF in 2013, the most recent surveys show that the majority of women in Mali, Guinea, Sierra Leone, Somalia, Gambia and Egypt believe the practice should continue, although elsewhere in Africa, Iraq and Yemen, most think it should end.[107]

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  121. 116.

    Oswald was not a patsy.

    He was the actual assassin.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  122. “I was addressing Dana with my point about atheists. The implication she made is that we cannot assign value to a dead fetus beyond what energy it can produce because it is reduced to a “soulless blob” in our eyes. It seems to me that if atheists really did reduce people to that, they wouldnt care about womens’ rights in islam.”

    Gil – Did Dana specifically mention atheists in her post about burning babies for energy or are you exercising your psychic powers again and then using them to make a connection to Hirsan Ali?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  123. SMEGMA!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  124. the machines use them as batteries, if you recall the Matrix, daley

    narciso (b72ffe)

  125. 119.Comment by Denver Todd (e238a0) — 4/28/2014 @ 9:24 am

    It is interesting that Sterling had his only little war on women going for decades, but it hasn’t gotten on anyone’s radar until he was racist.

    He said it was not a problem for his mistress to sleep with Magic Johnson! How racist is that?

    He just didn’t want his picture on her Instagram or for him to be seen with her at basketball games.

    Actually Sterling comes across as a cynic (who bought the praise of the L.A. Chapter of the NAACP) and someone who viewed blacks as lower class.

    He wanted to be extremely high class and had changed his name to Sterling.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  126. SMEGMA!

    Fumunda Cheese.

    carlitos (e7c734)

  127. Has Ayaan Hirsi Ali expressed a public opinion on burning babies for energy or are we to assume from Gil’s mad psychic skilz that she has no objections to the practice?

    Is it unpossible for atheists to support basic rights of oppressed people as Gil suggests?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  128. 128. …It seems to me that if atheists really did reduce people to that, they wouldnt care about womens’ rights in islam.

    Comment by Gil (febf10) — 4/28/2014 @ 10:41 am

    Newsflash, Gil. They don’t care about women’s rights in Islam. That’s why the women’s studies professors lobbied to get Ayaan Hirsi Ali thrown off the program at Brandeis.

    The leftist atheists care about demonizing the US as the worst country in the world. The nonexistent state of women’s rights in Islam detracts from that narrative. Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s life work therefore detracts from that narrative.

    Ergo, no honorary degree for her.

    Steve57 (525198)

  129. Comment by Gil (febf10) — 4/28/2014 @ 10:41 am

    …The implication she made is that we cannot assign value to a dead fetus beyond what energy it can produce because it is reduced to a “soulless blob” in our eyes. It seems to me that if atheists really did reduce people to that…

    Category error, Gil. You can not talk about fetuses and people as if they are the same thing when to atheistic leftists they are two different things entirely.

    If an unborn child, a fetus, really did belong in a universally acknowledged category labelled “people” it would be illegal to do to them what this society does in order to eliminate them.

    Steve57 (525198)

  130. 128. …I dont believe I misrepresented anything from the previous post. Do you disagree?

    Comment by Gil (febf10) — 4/28/2014 @ 10:41 am

    I will credit you for what appears to be a sincere effort.

    Steve57 (525198)

  131. 131. ==It does not matter how different the two types of mutilation are from one another. ==

    Amputation on females versus skin removal on males of all religions which was recommended and done by doctors, in hospitals, throughout much of the 20th century. Yeah it matters. A lot. Gil, you are an idiot.

    Comment by elissa (7bf732) — 4/28/2014 @ 10:57 am

    It’s roughly like equating trimming your finger nails to chopping off your hands.

    In both cases, cutting instruments are involved.

    The same, no?

    No!

    Steve57 (525198)

  132. Gil – Did Dana specifically mention atheists in her post about burning babies for energy or are you exercising your psychic powers again and then using them to make a connection to Hirsan Ali?

    Come on lets be sincere here, im trying to keep it on the up and up. The phrase “for those who believe that these were nothing but soulless blobs of tissue and blood” is typically used reffering to atheists. I do not think it is unfair for me to infer that without using phsycic powers.

    @ Elissa: Calling me an idiot is not furthering the discussion

    @ Steve:

    Category error, Gil. You can not talk about fetuses and people as if they are the same thing when to atheistic leftists they are two different things entirely.

    My point is, that we (atheists) can assign value to “soulless blobs”. Hirsi Ali clearly has done so in this case, and surely there are other atheists like me who cringe at the thought of burning fetuses for energy. Instead of lumping all atheists into a pile and dismissing us, its probably better to talk.

    The leftist atheists care about demonizing the US as the worst country in the world.

    I know and associate with many atheists on the left. This is a gross misrepresentation. But keep on believing whatever you like about large groups of people you have never met. As if there is a cabal of leftist atheists plotting the demonization of their own country. Outrageous!

    Newsflash, Gil. They don’t care about women’s rights in Islam.

    Wow Steve, for someone who cares about honesty and representing someones argument fairly this is surprising. Youre inserting meaning that I obviously did not intend. Of course I know womens’ rights in Islam are nonexistent. They cant drive alone in Saudia Arabia for example. Maybe I should have said “the status of womens’ rights in islam”

    Gil (febf10)

  133. Gil, the fact of the matter is that the women’s studies professors at Brandeis ganged up on Ayaan Hirsi Ali for precisely the reasons I’ve mentioned.

    Throw me a bone, Gil. Can you acknowledge reality? Was the offer of an honorary degree from Brandeis to Ayaan Hirsi Ali withdrawn?

    I’ll give you a huge clue.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/09/brandeis-withdraws-honorary-degree-ayaan-hirsi-ali-college

    So the question becomes, why was it withdrawn?

    If you do a google search on her name, the nonsensical rationale from Brandeis is that they withdrew the honor because they discovered that certain statements Ayaan Hirsi Ali made while pursuing the only cause she is known for and could have possibly attracted their attention in the first place were unknown to them.

    If the preceding seems nonsensical to you, it’s because it is. But it’s accurate. I don’t know any other way to put it.

    Steve57 (525198)

  134. Comment by ropelight (84902e) — 4/28/2014 @ 5:07 am

    or the girlfriend might be secretly in the employ of another would-be franchise owner, one who once played the game quite well.

    http://allhiphop.com/2014/04/28/magic-johnson-reportedly-wants-to-buy-the-la-clippers-from-donald-sterling/ ??

    Sammy Finkelman (93900b)

  135. Amputation on females versus skin removal on males of all religions which was recommended and done by doctors, in hospitals, throughout much of the 20th century. Yeah it matters. A lot. Gil, you are an idiot.

    The American Academy of Pediatrics does not currently recommend routine circumcision for males. Just because the practice was prevalent among doctors in the past does not make it right. There are many things we can all think of that medical doctors got wrong in the past.

    Gil (febf10)

  136. Steve – I agree completely. They shouldnt have rescinded the degree or speaking invitation. They were wrong. Im not arguing about that at all. But it wasnt racism. THey just caved into politically correct pressure. Its a shame Brandies did, and it is embarrassing.

    Gil (febf10)

  137. Just because cirumcision is no longer recommended for boys does not make it remotely equivalent to the kind of horrible mutilations Muslims inflict on girls.

    Your attempt to draw rough moral equivalence between the two will not survive the day. You’ve been warned. elissa will be along shortly to make the kill.

    Steve57 (525198)

  138. Gil, if you haven’t noticed “muslim” is now a race. I wish I was making this up, but I’m not.

    Steve57 (525198)

  139. Gil, how do you feel about spanking a) as child discipline and b) as an erotic act?

    nk (dbc370)

  140. “The phrase “for those who believe that these were nothing but soulless blobs of tissue and blood” is typically used reffering to atheists. I do not think it is unfair for me to infer that without using phsycic powers.”

    Gil – Let’s keep it on the up and up. That’s just your paranoia showing.

    That description is one commonly used by pro-abortion supporters, only a small portion of whom consider themselves atheists. They just rationalize to themselves that life does not begin at conception.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  141. “Youre inserting meaning that I obviously did not intend.”

    Gil – Heh. Pot meet kettle?

    Who is doing this? Dana did not use the word atheist in her post, instead using words commonly used by the pro-abortion movement, yet yoyu chose to imply a meaning not evident to me in her words. You do that a lot here.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  142. Gil – Are Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden atheists?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  143. Gil, you should go to Saudi Arabia and protest their state church.
    But don’t waste your money buying a round trip ticket.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  144. 152. I believe she just washed that McLame dude right out of her hair.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  145. Is there a general shortage of Thorazine currently.

    We seem to be tripping over a lot of confused souls of late.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  146. If the media think that illegally recorded private remarks made by a guy who owns a sports team is front page news, wait until they find out about all the racial rants and anti-Semitic sentiments publicly made (videotaped, even !)by President Obama’s mentors, such as Reverend Wright Wrong, Louis Farakkhan, Bill Ayers, and Rashid Khalidi.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  147. Too bad Sterling is an old doofus with a wallet where a man would have a scrotum. Because a federally licensed monopoly, the NBA, trying to discipline him for something he said in a private conversation with his girlfriend would make a very, very interesting court case.

    nk (dbc370)

  148. Funny, ES, you know they don’t care a tinker’s darn about that,

    narciso (3fec35)

  149. If Donald Sterling had merely driven his Oldsmobile into Chappaquiddick and left a woman to drown, and then not reported it until after lunch the next day, he might have become a Presidential hopeful.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  150. Excuse me, but I think that there are valid medical and health reasons to support male circumcision; or, is the current movement against this procedure perhaps part of the Progressive Anti-Semitism that has existed for longer than many of us wish to comtemplate?

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  151. ES, there is no Khalidi tape – the LAT says so.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  152. of course, there is no disagreement with the policy with Secretary Poo, Solon and the Big Man,

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/ted-cruz-calls-for-secretary-john-kerry-to-step-down-after-apartheid-comments-video/

    narciso (3fec35)

  153. Dear Barack,

    Some of us are wondering if you have “low T.”
    You can use that wonderful health insurance you have to go get it checked. But no fair having Michelle take the test on your behalf. ‘Cause we know she doesn’t have “low T.”

    Love,
    Signed,

    America

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  154. 169-
    That writer at the Weekly Standard can’t even figure out what county in NV Bundy’s property resides in.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  155. 150.Just because cirumcision is no longer recommended for boys does not make it remotely equivalent to the kind of horrible mutilations Muslims inflict on girls.
    Your attempt to draw rough moral equivalence between the two will not survive the day. You’ve been warned. elissa will be along shortly to make the kill.

    Lets reduce the subject to a few premises:
    1. Cutting oneself inflicting permanent scaring is mutilation
    2. Both male and female “circumcision” results in long term permanent alterations to the genitals
    3. There is no medical benefit to either practice – It is not recommended by doctors
    4. Both acts are committed without consent of the minor in question

    To me it seems easy to conclude both acts are immoral. I agree if I had to judge one to be worse it would be the female version. I don’t say they are equivalently bad, but to be sure they are both immoral.

    I await the “kill post” from Elissa.

    Gil (27c98f)

  156. 159.Gil, you should go to Saudi Arabia and protest their state church.
    But don’t waste your money buying a round trip ticket.

    Do you respond this way every time somebody presents a view you do not like?

    Gil (27c98f)

  157. @Daley

    Dana did not use the word atheist in her post, instead using words commonly used by the pro-abortion movement, yet yoyu chose to imply a meaning not evident to me in her words. You do that a lot here.

    Point taken Daley if that was the intent here then I stand corrected. But Dana did not say for those who think that “fetuses are soulless blobs of flesh” she said for those who think “that were soulless blobs of flesh”. This is important because even the most ardent pro choicer does not think that about people who are already out in the world on their own. In any case, surely you can see the ambiguity here and understand I am trying to be straight up.

    Gil (27c98f)

  158. Kareem is more articulate than about 95% of athletes. Seems to have matured too.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  159. I know ‘friends don’t let friends’ take Mother Jones seriously, but Squirrel!

    narciso (3fec35)

  160. Why do these circumcision obsessed weenies always land at Patterico’s?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  161. 178. He kills it, what a mensch!

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  162. 181. I’m pretty certain I don’t attract them, how about you?

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  163. circumcision is so retro

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  164. kinda like tail fins

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  165. C’mon, gary… you know you can be a real dickhead.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  166. ‘of all the gin joints’ they had to step into this one,

    narciso (3fec35)

  167. 186. Oh, gawd, you don’t think..

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  168. Could be… yes, it’s gotta be…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  169. President snoozes
    Americans all loses
    bring on teh Cruzes

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  170. well when you’re trawling in Kos and Think Regress, you get distracted, get Direct TV

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/breaking-john-kerry-releases-clarification-on-his-disgusting-apartheid-comments-on-israel/

    narciso (3fec35)

  171. “In any case, surely you can see the ambiguity here and understand I am trying to be straight up.”

    Gil – There is nothing straight up about employing pretzel logic to impute views not expressed by Ayaan Hirsi Ali about burning babies for energy to her as a contradiction to her support of oppressed people.

    That is pure fail on your part.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  172. Gil – The person you should ask about the meaning of her words is Dana.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  173. “But Dana did not say for those who think that “fetuses are soulless blobs of flesh” she said for those who think “that were soulless blobs of flesh”. This is important because even the most ardent pro choicer does not think that about people who are already out in the world on their own.”

    Gil – Dana essentially made the same point twice in her post and I have cut and pasted both instances below. Both are rather hard to misinterpret, especially the way you attempt to do so above (even leaving out the word “these” in the latter quote).

    You claim you are playing straight up again? Bull crap.

    Of course, if this medical waste was once just a lentil-sized, brainless embryo or a mindless pre-person, presumably without a soul, what difference does incinerating them make?

    The idea that miscarried and aborted babies could be incinerated to produce energy is mind-boggling. But for those who believe that these were nothing but soulless blobs of tissue and blood, this is not a problem.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  174. no matter how you slice it, “blobs” of anything are unappealing and decidedly unsympathetic

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  175. Actually, since it has been shown that uncircumcised males are more likely to contract and transmit HIV infection than circumcised males, medical opinion has shifted at least in some parts of the world.

    I really do not understand the people like Gil who try to make the two practices equivalent, when functionally they are not at all equivalent.
    What impairment does the lack of a foreskin on a male represent? None that I am aware of.
    What impairment does the lack of a clitoris on a female represent? A significant decrease in the ability to enjoy sexual intimacy.

    If I am mistaken please edumacate me.

    To me it is like comparing trimming a fingernail to cutting off a finger at the last knuckle. One is not missed and the other makes a permanent disability.

    Maybe Milhouse can give another account, but I always thought that the sign of circumcision served as a very obvious reminder to a male that they had certain obligations to live up to, and other than that there was little consequence of it.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  176. I like blobs of homemade whipped cream on my desserts.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  177. Whorry shceeznittsitts. How did this one slip by us? We failed teh celebrate ANZAC Day!!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANZAC

    What’s wrong with us?

    Steve57 (525198)

  178. No. Not offensive in the slightest.

    Illinois Democratic Gov. Pat Quinn is in some hot water with the Jewish community after his campaign tweeted—and then quietly deleted—several messages urging backers to read an article comparing black Republican voters to Jews who collaborated with the Nazis. Chicago Sun Times readers were stunned last week to find that writer Neil Steinberg has penned a column comparing black supporters of Republican gubernatorial candidate Bruce Rauner to Jews who collaborated with the Nazis against their brethren.

    http://freebeacon.com/issues/quinn-campaign-wonders-black-republicans-like-jewish-nazis/

    elissa (7bf732)

  179. To me it is like comparing trimming a fingernail to cutting off a finger at the last knuckle. One is not missed and the other makes a permanent disability.

    Heh. Glad to see I was dancing in the same disco. I earlier compared male circumcision to FGM as trimming one’s nails as opposed to chopping off a hand.

    Steve57 (525198)

  180. You claim you are playing straight up again? Bull crap.

    Daley:
    1. I have all along said that my comments were addressed to Dana
    2. After you brought up the possible way Dana was referring to pro choice supports I said in a previous post that if this was the case I stand corrected
    3. I have also explained how it is that I read this as 2 different points.
    It is pointless to keep discussing my honest understanding of the article with someone dead set against anything I write. You seem to be caught up in a fervor of Gil bashing over what I do not understand.

    Gil (27c98f)

  181. I really do not understand the people like Gil who try to make the two practices equivalent, when functionally they are not at all equivalent.

    Again I said that they were not equally bad, but listed 4 reasons why I think they are both immoral. Ive explained myself in #173. Im happy to go back and discuss those points if you think they are incorrect.

    To the point that this does not cause any “significant” harm or impairment. Who are you to define harm on someone else? There is a permanent scar on the male genitals after the “procedure”. Lets put a ridiculous example in here to demonstrate what I mean: Would it be ok for me to scar up my newborn’s behind even though it causes no “significant” harm in my own judgment? Obviously not. This is the same even if it is based on a sincere belief that it is righteous or healthy.

    To the point of the reduced transmission of HIV. Currently the American Academy of Pediatrics does not recommend routine circumcision. They are aware of the studies and conclude there is no medical benefit.

    Gil (27c98f)

  182. Gil, what are your views on assisted suicide?

    nk (dbc370)

  183. #SMEGMA
    #HeadCheese

    JD (6a6c22)

  184. “It is pointless to keep discussing my honest understanding of the article with someone dead set against anything I write. You seem to be caught up in a fervor of Gil bashing over what I do not understand.”

    Gil – No it is not. When Dana makes the same point twice in separate places in the same post it is really very hard to defend deliberately misinterpreting her words to hijack yet another thread. That is not honest misunderstanding and it has been your approach since you appeared here. While I appreciate your persistence, the method of reinterpreting peoples’ words to what you want them to say or to include some hidden meaning rather than what they actually say has been something you have consistently followed here. Honest people do not have to do that if they have good arguments.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  185. ==You seem to be caught up in a fervor of Gil bashing over what I do not understand.”==

    It’s just a guess, Gil, but I think possibly it’s because you so consistently insult peoples’ intelligence and test peoples’ patience with your nonsensical “points” which defy logic. The fact that you admit you “do not understand” this is a significant factor as well, but at least perhaps helps explain why you keep doing it.

    elissa (0b5a33)

  186. I know what Gil is thinking better than Gil does.

    JD (6a6c22)

  187. elissa – Aayan Hirsi Ali is a woman and an atheist who has not said she supports burning aborted babies for energy but Gil believes she must based on a deliberate misinterpretation of Dana’s post, therefore it is unpossible for Hirsi Ali to support women’s rights in muslim countries.

    Clear?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  188. Gil should write for Vox.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  189. Rush has announced the ultimate solution of the “Donald Sterling Problem” by the NBA:

    Sell the Clippers to V. Putin!

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  190. Comment by askeptic (8ecc78) — 4/29/2014 @ 9:18 am

    Sell the Clippers to V. Putin!

    And then confiscate it?

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  191. Some links:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/29/opinion/bruni-sterlings-racial-honors.html?ref=opinion&_r=1

    http://time.com/#79590/donald-sterling-kareem-abdul-jabbar-racism/

    Yes, I’m angry, too, but not just about the sins of Donald Sterling. I’ve got a list. But let’s start with Sterling. I used to work for him, back in 2000 when I coached for the Clippers for three months. He was congenial, even inviting me to his daughter’s wedding. Nothing happened or was said to indicate he suffered from IPMS (Irritable Plantation Master Syndrome). Since then, a lot has been revealed about Sterling’s business practices…

    …What bothers me about this whole Donald Sterling affair isn’t just his racism. I’m bothered that everyone acts as if it’s a huge surprise. Now there’s all this dramatic and very public rending of clothing about whether they should keep their expensive Clippers season tickets. Really? All this other stuff I listed above has been going on for years and this ridiculous conversation with his girlfriend is what puts you over the edge? ….

    He was discriminating against black and Hispanic families for years, preventing them from getting housing. It was public record. We did nothing. Suddenly he says he doesn’t want his girlfriend posing with Magic Johnson on Instagram and we bring out the torches and rope. Shouldn’t we have all called for his resignation back then?

    Shouldn’t we be equally angered by the fact that his private, intimate conversation was taped and then leaked to the media? Didn’t we just call to task the NSA for intruding into American citizen’s privacy in such an un-American way? Although the impact is similar to Mitt Romney’s comments that were secretly taped, the difference is that Romney was giving a public speech.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/376741/character-public-and-private-jonah-goldberg#!

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/naacp-yanks-donald-sterlings-award-forgive/story?id=23501911

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  192. Gil, your move.

    207. ==You seem to be caught up in a fervor of Gil bashing over what I do not understand.”==

    It’s just a guess, Gil, but I think possibly it’s because you so consistently insult peoples’ intelligence and test peoples’ patience with your nonsensical “points” which defy logic. The fact that you admit you “do not understand” this is a significant factor as well, but at least perhaps helps explain why you keep doing it.

    Comment by elissa (0b5a33) — 4/29/2014 @ 9:00 am

    Do you have a sister?

    Steve57 (525198)

  193. KAJ has had a “stopped clock” moment.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  194. 212-
    No….Laugh!
    Russians don’t like Blacks, they don’t like Gays, and they certainly don’t like Muslims (how many of the teams players and fans are Black-Muslims?).
    And, can you imagine what an Owner’s Meeting would be like?
    Putin would wipe the floor with any other owner who got in his face, and their security detail too.
    Oh, Good Times.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  195. It is always 6 degrees of SMEGMA for Gil.

    JD (6a6c22)

  196. it sure is a lot more quicker to resolve basketball racism issues than to decide about building pipelines

    as a process goes it’s like a half a million times more faster

    these dynamics should be studied

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  197. And Harper never even insulted anyone.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  198. Speaking of Vox, the unmarried childless philosophy major, Matty, attempted to Voxplain the goal and purpose of Common Core math to disgruntled and disenchanted parents recently. Hilarity ensured. (Twitchy)

    elissa (0b5a33)

  199. Comment by askeptic (8ecc78) — 4/29/2014 @ 2:21 pm

    Russians don’t like Blacks, they don’t like Gays, and they certainly don’t like Muslims (how many of the teams players and fans are Black-Muslims?).

    That’s Putin’s policy – I don’t think that’s a problem with the owner of the Brooklyn Nets. (I think it’s Brooklyn, not “New York”)

    And, can you imagine what an Owner’s Meeting would be like?

    Putin would wipe the floor with any other owner who got in his face, and their security detail too.

    Well, if they held the meeting in a Crimean resort or in Sochi.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  200. “Pollution is holding back millions of African Americans fighting for middle class security.” She continues, “Environmental justice is social justice.” McCarthy also says, “We have a moral obligation to act now.”

    Gina McCarthy, our EPA Administrator. Skin color, 24/7 from our liberal intellectual superiors.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  201. “I know what Gil is thinking better than Gil does.”

    JD – Even if the words are not present, I know that statement is based upon religious beliefs.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  202. the owner of the Brooklyn Nets

    That would be an interesting face-to-face seeing as how Mikhail ran for the Russian Presidency against Vlad in 2012, and finished third.
    Political rivals and fellow Oligarchs do not do well in Russia if they cross Tsar Vlad-I.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  203. Didn’t someone here once say that they didn’t have to read a book to know what its contents were?
    Are we recycling trolls (again)?

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  204. Gil,

    Why do you hate western civilization ?

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  205. Comment by askeptic (8ecc78) — 4/29/2014 @ 2:54 pm

    Political rivals and fellow Oligarchs do not do well in Russia if they cross Tsar Vlad-I.

    Even outside of Russia, as happened to the mayor of Kahrkov (now spelled Kahrkiv) who was shot while jogging – but his life was saved and he was taken to Israel for continued treatment.

    He had earlier supported Yanukovych and had even gone into Russia with him but then had returned to Ukraine and was interfering with Russian takeover attempts.

    Sammy Finkelman (0f2215)

  206. Maybe he was tripped up by his use of gender-neutral language. I think he was referring to not wanting this chick bringing her lovers to games.

    john don (dcc4fa)


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