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3/25/2014

Hobby Lobby and Leftist Loons – Update Viagra Rant

Filed under: General — JD @ 11:47 am

[guest post by JD]

There is plenty of coverage of the Hobby Lobby oral arguments out there, covering the legal, political, and valid ends of the spectrum.

An interesting angle to me is that there is no crisis of availability, no compelling interest to force someone to pay for somebody else’s choice, especially when it is readily available, and already cheap. From Hot Air:

Hobby Lobby/Conestoga can point to the August 2010 CDC study that shows even without forcing employers to pick up the tab for contraception, 99% of sexually active women who wished to avoid pregnancy between 1980 and 2008 used contraception to do so. Access is such a non-issue that the CDC doesn’t even bother to address it.

Gabriel Malor takes on the legal aspects of the cases at hand here at AOS.

Here, Malor takes on the mendacity of the MFM in how they frame these issues, or rather, how they lie about them.

Unwilling to allow Malor’s piece to stand without further evidence of it’s veracity, Sandra Fluke pens a column for the leftist conduit WaPo, and Sen Barbara Boxer yammers on about Viagra.

As heard today over lunch, it is not a war on women, or denying access to women. Prior to this ridiculous mandate, and after the Supreme Court whacks it down, women’s access will be exactly the same. Nearly universal.

Update – Sen Boxer’s idiocy

—JD

85 Responses to “Hobby Lobby and Leftist Loons – Update Viagra Rant”

  1. War on women

    JD (534747)

  2. By the binder-full.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  3. Christofascist godbag loons want to impose their religions on U!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  4. May I just say daley, felipe and JD that you seem to be losing patience with the leftist talking points. Do I read that correctly?

    elissa (27f83f)

  5. Yes, you do, elissa. although I lost my patience a while back and have moved on to what is left of my mind!

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  6. …on to [losing] what is left…

    Case in point.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  7. unexpectedly!

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  8. Elissa – I find it sad that in a comparison between Sandra Fluke, fresh off whining about a Catholic school having the temerity to act Catholic, is rational in comparison to a sitting US Senator. She is a lying liar, but at least she pens a coherent column of drivel, pablum, distortions, and lies. Boxer should be embarrassed.

    JD (534747)

  9. We elect Democrats, mayhem follows. It has always been thus, ever since the unwashed supporters of Andy Jackson tore up the White House.

    Republicans never put up perfect candidates and only rarely really good ones. Yet, they are nearly always far superior to their Democratic opposition.

    When Republicans or Republican-leaning voters fail to vote out of pique or because the candidates “aren’t conservative enough,” they only help elect Democrats and to appoint and confirm Democratic judges to lifetime seats.

    People have the right to vote or not vote as they see fit, but they have NO right to evade the responsibility for their actions.

    Estragon (ada867)

  10. Who is attempting to do so?

    JD (534747)

  11. Estragon I was with you until the last sentence -and then it was crash and burn.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  12. “May I just say daley, felipe and JD that you seem to be losing patience with the leftist talking points. Do I read that correctly?”

    elissa – I have fun with leftist talking points. I mock them and those who mischaracterize what I say.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  13. you just never know how the pervert Roberts court is going to rule on stuff

    they’re very whimsical

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  14. This is a good article about what this battle is all about.

    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2013/11/27/obamacare-religious-liberty-and-a-crucial-supreme-court-showdown/

    …Fluke responded that one less-intrusive way would be to have the government simply provide birth control directly, but complained that conservatives are cutting back on funding for such public programs. Then, as Ryan Moy pointed out after the broadcast, Fluke said this:

    So there’s an attack on allowing employers to be required to provide this insurance coverage on insurance that employees pay for, at the same time that there’s an attack on public availability through clinics.

    One more time: there’s an attack on allowing employers to be required to provide this insurance. To the left, there is no freedom without government coercion. This is either incoherent or Orwellian, or both. But that’s the argument the left is running with: they want you to be forced to provide the funding for even their most private activities; only then will you be truly free.

    But Fluke isn’t the only one making this argument. Mediaite has the video of an MSNBC roundtable on the issue, in which the panelists are panicked at the thought of affording Americans full religious liberty because, essentially, it’s then a slippery slope to protecting all constitutional rights. And then–mayhem, or something:…

    Right now the fight is about employer-provided contraceptives, abortifacients, and sterilization. But it’s how the left is framing the issue that’s truly revealing. They’ve defined a “religious employer” so narrowly that very few religious employers can qualify. To qualify the employer must focus solely on worship; that aims to inculcate values as its main purpose; that hires primarily persons of the same faith; and that serves primarily persons of the same faith.

    Scratch a liberal and a totalitarian bleeds. They can’t stand anyone or anything being outside of control. So they’ve redefined the Constitution to say that Congress “shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” means freedom of worship, and only worship.

    Employers outside of the narrow definition above, which really is limited only to houses of worship, have no right to freely exercise their religion by living their faith.

    The left has long wanted to make religious people violate their consciences and do as the left tells them. They’ve tried and failed before:

    http://www.lifenews.com/2012/02/22/judge-washington-cant-mandate-pharmacists-dispense-plan-b/

    The interesting thing about the above case is that the law only prohibited pharmacists from dispensing Plan B for religious reasons. There are all sorts of other reasons pharmacists could have for referring a customer to another pharmacy. As the judge noted in his ruling, the 2007 regulation was written with the help of groups like planned parenthood and some local feminist groups, and the intent was specifically intended to single out religious people and make them dispense abortifacients.

    The war on women is a fiction. But the left’s war on religion is very real. They want religious people to get over their “conscience thing,” as Nancy Pelosi put it when she gave her “abortion is sacred ground” presser.

    There have been other worrying developments. While Hillary! was SecState she worked with the Organization of Islamic Cooperation to implement UN Human Rights Commission resolution 16/18. That resolution called for banning “blasphemous” speech. The OIC has been trying to get a binding, legally enforceable ban on such speech in non-Islamic countries for at least a decade. The UN resolution did not call for speech restrictions; it’s a watered down version of what the OIC was trying to get. But they’re making progress. They’ll keep pushing it. And it’s very worrying that this administration is working with such a bunch of hard-line Muslim supremacists.

    This is why the Obama administration was pushing that “hateful anti-Muslim video” line of BS during the riot in Cairo and during and after the assault in Benghazi. Not that the Cairo riot was about the video. It was about the blind Sheik. It was part of the Obama administration’s campaign to have the power to define what is and what isn’t acceptable speech. Just like the Obama administration has claimed the power to define what is and what isn’t religious activity.

    Recall that in his 2009 Cairo speech Obama said, “I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam whenever they appear.” He wasn’t kidding.

    And now countries that actually do ban free expression when Muslims claim to be offended actually will be exercising control over the internet.

    Steve57 (4507bb)

  15. Boxer should be embarrassed.

    One has useless as Barbara Boxer is incapable of feeling embarrassment. It is really California Democrats who should feel embarrassed, having voted for this harpy shrew for the past two decades.

    JVW (9946b6)

  16. “One as useless as Boxer. . . .” Her utter banality is rubbing off on me!

    JVW (9946b6)

  17. Mr. Feets – Your Senator Maam lady and the assault rifle lady Senator seem to serve your failloonystate well in accordance with the wishes and desires of its population. Are you not entertained?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  18. JVW – it is really incredible that she was being so absurd that even an MSNBC host called her on her BS. And Boxer kept right on yammering. My 12 year old can form a more honest, logical, and coherent position than a sitting US Senator.

    JD (534747)

  19. I blame Karl Rove.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  20. On a similar note, I know that Sandra Fluke and the free birth control thing outraged people, but I would gladly provide free birth control to liberals if they would first sign a legally binding pledge to use it.

    I just don’t want liberals breeding.
    It simply isn’t good for the country.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  21. 18. …My 12 year old can form a more honest, logical, and coherent position than a sitting US Senator.

    Comment by JD (534747) — 3/25/2014 @ 2:42 pm

    I have no doubt about that. If we expand the scope of the exercise to include the House of Representatives we could probably come up with a list of 2 to the 300 Congresscritters over which your 12 year old would be a vast improvement.

    I mean, seriously, Sheila Jackson Lee? I’d be embarrassed to vote for somebody who thinks we sent a manned mission to Mars and planted a flag, or that the Constitution is 400 years old. Or that guy who was worried Guam would tip over if we put too many Marines on it.

    As a matter of fact, it would probably be a vast improvement to replace the whole bunch with 12 year olds.

    Steve57 (4507bb)

  22. Hobby Lobby is denying healthcare
    Keep your boss out of your uterus
    Hobby Lobby wants your boss to control your healthcare
    Hobby Lobby will ban vaccines
    Hobby Lobby has no moral problem with boners
    Hobby lobby blah blah blah blah

    JD (534747)

  23. Steve – don’t stop there. Biden ain’t any better. Nor is um uh I my huh um huh huh 57 states I’m me me uh huh I me I um

    JD (534747)

  24. I’m way behind, but R.I.P. Scott Asheton, drummer for The Stooges

    Icy (14327b)

  25. Back in the day, didn’t the pro-choicers used to chant, “Not the church, not the State,…”

    I guess they decided to forget about the ‘not the state’ clause.
    Because now they want the state to get involved in their health care decisions.

    Or something.
    Irony !

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  26. I blame Global Warming and Halliburton.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  27. Comment by Steve57 (4507bb) — 3/25/2014 @ 2:03 pm

    I know, Steve, freedom is for the state, not us.

    felipe (6100bc)

  28. I took some of that stuff that Boxer is talking about once. The prescription read, “If erection persists for more than 4 hours, contact your doctor”. It did, so I did, and we had a great time.

    nk (dbc370)

  29. Leftism is a mental disorder, not an ideology, and there’s nothing that triggers leftists to go insane @ 11! more than items that directly or indirectly relate to sex. They just can’t keep it together even for the sake of window dressing. So it pretty much goes without saying the left has departed the solar system regarding these pending cases.

    The larger issue here is what happens if LIV’s, the perpetually unemployed, various other underclasses, and non-voting conservatives, all manage to elect Hillary. Try to fathom a 10-year or even a 20-plus year SCOTUS majority consisting of Kagan, Sotomayor, whomever Obama replaces Ginsburg and Breyer with and then whomever Hillary might replace Scalia or Thomas with. Dark days. Keep that all in mind when you’re in the ballot booth in Nov. ’16.

    Lawrence Westlake (4fc30a)

  30. Lawrence Westlake #29, you make some excellent points.
    Unfortunately, there are some conservatives who say they will sit out the next election if their sacred cow does not get the GOP nomination. They claim that they’ll be adhering to conservative principles by helping Hillary win staying home on Election Day.

    Some of those same people have even already promised not to participate in the GOP primaries because they no longer wish to identify as Republican.
    How that strategy will result in helping their favorite conservative candidate win the GOP nomination, only God knows. (But does He even know that ???)

    The other party has a lot of ignorant, dependent low-information voters, but at least they get to the polls.
    Sometimes multiple times in the same day, even !

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  31. Don’t worry, those conservatives that disenfranchise themselves while alive will be voting often after they are dead – especially in Il.

    felipe (6100bc)

  32. To Lawrence Westlake’s point: . Go over to Drudge and view the large headline photo.

    elissa (27f83f)

  33. Mr. daley our senators here in California are daffy tunts munts trunts funts plunts

    oh crap i can’t remember

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  34. Hey, elissa, daleyrocks and other Chicagoites. There’s a new Chik-Fil-A opening at North Riverside this week, corner of Harlem and 22nd.

    nk (dbc370)

  35. have a blessed day

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  36. There’s another case against Obamacare making it’s way through the courts. Halbig v. Sebelius is currently at the US Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit. It’s one of the cases that is arguing that the IRS has no authority to either fine people and businesses, or provide subsidies, in states that don’t have their own state-run exchanges but instead use the federal system.

    You can find more info at Michael Cannon’s page at Forbes, but I thought I’d link to this one particularly interesting report.

    Apparently the government’s case isn’t going as well as they’d like. So the government is apparently telling the court that if the ruling doesn’t go their way they’ll just ignore it.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelcannon/2014/03/14/halbig-v-sebelius-is-the-obama-irs-threatening-to-ignore-a-court-order/

    Given my low opinion of Obama’s administration, I have no doubt that’s exactly what they’d do, too. Here’s the “Supplemental Authority” that they filed earlier this month telling the court that Obamacare is too damned important to let petty concerns like complying with statutes and the Constitution get in the way.

    http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/documents/govt_28j_on_class_actions.pdf

    Steve57 (4507bb)

  37. When voters reflexively vote for their party, regardless of the integrity of the candidate, they get the likes of Barbara Boxer. When the general election becomes a rubber stamp, pols quickly figure out they can literally do no wrong in the eyes of the voters and elective office becomes a lifetime sinecure. Treating your vote as a rubber stamp simply guarantees us more of the same. I know lots of Democrats here in California who find Senator Boxer hard to stomach, but they, too, cannot break themselves of the party line reflex.

    JD-I think the “this doesn’t change anything” angle is fascinating too. The mandate isn’t really about women’s health; it is a war on religion. Thanks for the thought provoking post.

    ThOR (130453)

  38. Do you mean “stupids, dummkopfs, dunderheads, sissies”?

    nk (dbc370)

  39. Elissa, I clicked on that Drudge link and this is what I found, in part,
    Justice Kagan: women are “quite tangibly harmed” when employers don’t provide contraceptive coverage.

    What an ultra…

    Gazzer (9399d2)

  40. It’s sad to think about how our state voted for Barbara Botox instead of someone as stellar as Carly Fiorina.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  41. nk– one just recently opened up on Milwaukee Ave in Vernon Hills, too. A little out of my territory but doable. Haven’t been yet. Yelp reviews say food is absolutely fab–service spotty.

    elissa (27f83f)

  42. It is really California Democrats who should feel embarrassed

    Actually it is California Republicans who should be embarrassed, being unable to defeat such low-hanging fruit. Not only is she a knee-jerk liberal fascist, but she is probably the stupidest member of the Senate.

    Kevin M (b11279)

  43. I thought I’d provide a link. Cannon covers other related cases as well as Halbig v. Sebelius at this very thorough round-up page.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelcannon/2013/12/31/for-reporters-law-professors-citizens-a-reference-guide-to-president-obamas-illegal-obamacare-taxes/

    Steve57 (4507bb)

  44. I’m sorry, Gazzer. That was cruel of me. I hope you had not just eaten your dinner before you clicked on Drudge.

    elissa (27f83f)

  45. Sotomayor and Kagan are obviously not “pro-choice” if they seek to force their choice upon Hobby Lobby.
    Irony !
    Or whatever.

    Instead of people who don’t like the law having to pay the tax, why don’t people who work at Hobby Lobby just go to the drugstore and pay for the contraception of their choice.
    Or something !

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  46. It’s sad to think about how our state voted for Barbara Botox instead of someone as stellar as Carly Fiorina

    Carly ruined HP. No one who worked with her has good things to say. And yet, she was a much better choice. Sadly, there is never a really strong Republican who’s available to run when it’s her turn. Where’s Richard Nixon when you need him?

    Kevin M (b11279)

  47. Apparently posts using the word v-i-a-g-r-a aren’t getting through.

    Kevin M (b11279)

  48. It’s Ok Elissa. I’m in AZ so it’s way too early for dinner yet.

    Gazzer (9399d2)

  49. A couple of thoughts:

    1) Men benefit from birth control at least as much as women do.
    2) Women benefit from Viaqra at least as much as men do.

    Kevin M (b11279)

  50. Carly and Smeg both thought they could buy themselves an office with Meghan’s coward daddy’s blessing.

    But it turns out they were wrong.

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  51. Sotomayor and Kagan are obviously not “pro-choice” if they seek to force their choice upon Hobby Lobby.

    Their argument is one of conformity. Where would we all be if everyone made separate choices?!! Everything would be helter-skelter!

    Yes, really, that is their argument.

    Kevin M (b11279)

  52. Comment by Kevin M (b11279) — 3/25/2014 @ 5:12 pm

    I think you are on to something.

    felipe (6100bc)

  53. Some people never miss a chance to attack those that they claim to want to be on the same team.

    JD (5c1832)

  54. Kevin M,

    Dude !

    Defeating a Democrat Senator in California is not low hanging fruit.
    “Low hanging fruit” is defined as easy pickens, right ?
    And defeating a Democrat Senator in California is definitely not easy pickens. It doesn’t matter how stupid Boxer is.
    As a Senator, she’s going to vote in favor of the checklist liberal policies.
    Therefore, all of the Democrat constituencies are going to support her. And CA is overwhelmingly Democrat.
    The teachers unions and other public employee unions are like warlords here.

    Joe Democrat or Suzie Liberal is not going to have an epiphany and say, “Gosh, that Senator Boxer really isn’t all that bright—I think I’m going to vote for the lady who ran Hewlett Packard—that Carly Fiorina woman.”

    Carly Fiornina was as good a Senate candidate as we could hope to have in CA. She’s telegenic, she speaks well, and she’s accomplished. She just didn’t have a (D) after her name on the ballot.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  55. the blood-dimmed tide is loosed

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  56. Defeating a Democrat Senator in California is not low hanging fruit.

    Maybe not as easy in 2016 as it was in 1992, when we were electing Republicans to all kinds of offices. But Barbara has ever gotten 60% of the vote in 4 elections:

    1992: 47%
    1998: 53%
    2004: 58%
    2010: 52%

    In 1992, she ran against Bruce Hershenson, who was leading until a last-minute smear about Bruce buying porn caused him to drop. P.S. thank you AI & LP for getting Boxer into office.

    IN 1998, state Controller Matt Fong, son of Democrat March Fong Eu ran. Just before the election Fong Eu endorsed Boxer over her son, for the win. Bet Thanksgiving at the Fongs was pretty chilly.

    In 2004, she ran against Bill Jones the Sec State who should have been a formidable candidate, but he had supported McCain against W in 2000 and the national party turned their backs.

    In 2010 she ran against Carly, the empty pantsuit, who nearly destroyed HP and drove the last Hewlett out of the company. No one liked Carly.

    Kevin M (b11279)

  57. *But Barbara has Never gotten 60% of the vote in 4 elections

    Kevin M (b11279)

  58. You just cannot win. It’s either the senile botox and geriatric set, or twelve year olds who are formulating public policy these days. For once the IL legislature passed a relatively sane law (regarding plastic bags) and now the environmental lobby is using this young girl to try to bully the governor into vetoing it.

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-07-02/news/ct-talk-bag-ban-petition-0703-20120703_1_bag-online-petition-environment-illinois

    elissa (27f83f)

  59. My anti-Boxer posts went into the filter? What the hey!

    Icy (14327b)

  60. 50. A couple of thoughts:

    1) Men benefit from birth control at least as much as women do.
    2) Women benefit from Viaqra at least as much as men do.

    Comment by Kevin M (b11279) — 3/25/2014 @ 5:12 pm

    But only women are materially harmed when they suffer the trauma of having to buy birth control themselves. Men are expected to buy their own.

    Or do an internet search for “free condoms” and go pick them up.

    Steve57 (4507bb)

  61. Icy – they aren’t in moderation.

    JD (534747)

  62. Ya heard of the NSA, Icy?

    elissa (27f83f)

  63. Fertility cults have long been popular.
    The more things change, the more things stay the same.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  64. That’s just how much Boxer sucks, icy.

    Colonel Haiku (7dcf92)

  65. Sandra needs a steady fella. That’s her problem.

    nk (dbc370)

  66. Just had another one disappear

    Icy (14327b)

  67. There IS a contraception mandate
    There is NOT a sexual dysfunction mandate

    Icy (14327b)

  68. From the transcript (page 23-24):

    MR. CLEMENT: Exactly, which is, by the way,
    why comparing the $2,000 penalty to the cost of the
    health care is a false it’s a false comparison.

    JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR: It’s not called a
    penalty. It’s called a tax. And it’s calibrated and
    it’s calibrated –

    CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: She’s right about
    that.

    (Laughter.)

    MR. CLEMENT: And it has been treated for
    some purposes as a penalty. And I think for this
    purposes, it certainly feels punitive.

    Kevin M (b11279)

  69. 38. …JD-I think the “this doesn’t change anything” angle is fascinating too. The mandate isn’t really about women’s health; it is a war on religion. Thanks for the thought provoking post.

    Comment by ThOR (130453) — 3/25/2014 @ 4:57 pm

    Liberals are jealous gods. Barack Obama even moreso than most. Thou shalt not have other gods before him. Every knee must bend.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/374115/right-not-be-implicated-kevin-d-williamson

    The Right Not to Be Implicated
    “Everything not forbidden is compulsory,” or will be soon enough under our “liberal” regime.

    …One of the finest books ever written about politics is The Once and Future King, in which young Arthur, not yet king, is transformed by Merlin into various kinds of animals in order to learn about different kinds of political arrangements: Hawks live under martial law, geese are freewheeling practitioners of spontaneous order, badgers are scholarly isolationists, and ants live under totalitarianism, with T. H. White famously rendering their one-sentence constitution: “Everything not forbidden is compulsory.”

    …Until just over a decade ago, homosexual intercourse was a crime in many jurisdictions. Then in 2003, the Supreme Court overturned the sodomy laws in Lawrence v. Texas, which was in my view a bad decision with a good outcome. That same year, California considered a civil-union law, which was the source of some controversy. Opponents argued that it was a step toward the much more serious issue of gay marriage, and Democrats rejected that as a red herring: “Nobody is talking about gay marriage,” said John Longville, a Democratic assemblyman, “except the people who are trying to wave it around as a straw-man issue.” Within five years, that straw man was flesh and blood.

    …And the matter already has progressed to the point at which we as a nation, having only recently legalized gay marriage, are debating the question of whether bakers and photographers should be locked in cages if they decline, for their own moral or religious reasons, to participate in gay weddings.

    …It is a perversion of the English language that our so-called liberals are the least liberal faction in our polity. American liberalism is the creed that you are entitled to think as you like and entitled to do as you are commanded.

    …This is not merely, or even mainly, a question of economics. A monthly dose of emergency contraception (which seems like a lot) paid entirely out-of-pocket would run less than the typical cell-phone bill. One does not suspect that Americans would find it very difficult to locate gay-friendly firms in the wedding-planning business. The typical first-trimester abortion costs less than an entry-level iPad — hardly an insurmountable economic barrier for a procedure that is, if we take the pro-choice side at their word, absolutely fundamental to a woman’s health and happiness.

    The economics are incidental. The point is not to ensure that we all pay, but that we are all involved.

    …Our so-called liberals find themselves in the queasy position of having created a moral culture that has destroyed millions of lives and many communities among the very disadvantaged people they claim to care most about, but they are incapable of criticizing a culture of license that none of them can imagine living without, even if they themselves are square as houses in their sexual habits.

    …The way to assuage the collective liberal conscience is to institutionalize and normalize liberal social preferences: There is nobody to be blamed for social anarchy if that’s just the way things are. And if everybody is involved — as taxpayers or as employers providing health insurance — then everybody is implicated.

    The purpose of propaganda in communist countries wasn’t/isn’t to convince the people subjugated in those regimes of the truths of communism. It was to make sure everybody was in on the lie. The more outlandish the propaganda, the better. People had to repeat things they didn’t think, and didn’t believe. But they had to convince the authorities they believed it no matter how ridiculous it was/is. And with everyone toeing the party line, nobody knew who to trust. Everyone was repeating crazy lies that a great many individuals thought anybody could possibly believe such things. Yet everyone was repeating them enthusiastically, it seemed.

    Christianity and the family are both under assault here for the same reason they were under assault in places like the Soviet bloc and is under assault in North Korea. They are competing sources of moral authority and compete for the individuals loyalty. Recall the DNC’s slogan, “government is the one thing we all belong to.” And by belong, they mean owned. They can’t get rid of religion entirely because of that pesky First Amendment. But they can (if Obamacare stands as written) ban religion from the public sphere. You can practice whatever rituals you like; you have “freedom of worship” as the First Amendment has been redefined. But you can not freely exercise your religion by living your faith. Not if you own a business or work in the health care field. Outside of church as Kevin Williamson observes you will do as you are commanded.

    Children are indoctrinated to believe and obey government authority. Good luck competing with 30 hours a week of government propaganda. As a matter of fact, things have gotten so bad that children are indoctrinated to believe their families are a danger to them and aren’t to be trusted. And of course if you take your children to church on Sunday what they learn there will be called hate speech Monday through Friday if they go to public school.

    Some people seem puzzled that the left doesn’t target Islam like the do Christianity. It’s simple; Islam is also a totalitarian ideology. The Quran and the Hadiths are a complete system not just for a religion, but for governing and living. And one of the principle tenets of Islam is that the exercise of individual free will is rebellion against the will of God. You must comply with Sharia, which means you must comply with those authorities that have the power to tell you what Sharia is. Ordinary Muslims do not have the right to have their own interpretation of the Quran or Shariah. Islam means “submission,” and the word Muslim means one who submits. A good Muslim submits to their authorities, while a bad Muslim has his own ideas.

    So these are people that liberals can understand. Sort of like Stalin thought he could see eye to eye with Hitler.

    Steve57 (4507bb)

  70. Having read the first part of the transcript, I must say that Mr Clement is a damn fine barrister.

    Kevin M (b11279)

  71. Oh, good lord, elissa, clearly asininity knows no boundaries. I really wonder what the men in their lives must think. Of course, I may be assuming a lot there…

    Dana (9f8700)

  72. IN 1998, state Controller Matt Fong, son of Democrat March Fong Eu ran. Just before the election Fong Eu endorsed Boxer over her son, for the win. Bet Thanksgiving at the Fongs was pretty chilly.

    Kevin M, with all due respect that simply isn’t true. I don’t know where you heard this, but it is wrong. Matt Fong’s mother was a Democrat operative, yes, but she endorsed her son and worked on his behalf. Boxer’s team released a sleazy campaign ad suggesting that Matt Fong’s Chinese heritage made him untrustworthy and susceptible to overseas influences, and Mrs. Fong Eu blasted them (though, alas, not Boxer personally) for it. For all I know, Fong Eu and Boxer kissed and made up after the election, but it is absolutely not true that Matt Fong’s mother supported his opponent in 1998.

    And Elephant Stone is right: You can’t blame the California GOP (wretched though it may be) for not being able to win statewide. The Democrats in California have the great fortune of owning the allegiance of the very wealthy voters, the very poor voters, the race/ethnic/sexual mores grievance crowd, and the public employee unions. The only possible way for the GOP to win statewide is if they can get a celebrity (a la Schwarzenegger) to run on their ticket.

    JVW (9946b6)

  73. Lowest margin of victory for Boxer after winning her Senate seat has been 10%. Not low hanging fruit territory.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  74. 74. …The Democrats in California have the great fortune of owning the allegiance of the very wealthy voters, the very poor voters, the race/ethnic/sexual mores grievance crowd, and the public employee unions. The only possible way for the GOP to win statewide is if they can get a celebrity (a la Schwarzenegger) to run on their ticket…

    Comment by JVW (9946b6) — 3/25/2014 @ 10:34 pm

    Don’t forget the uterus knitters. I’m sure the Democrats own the uterus knitting voting block.

    Steve57 (a017ec)

  75. Via Instapundit, this commenter at Althouse’s blog nails what I’ve said about the absolute madness of trying to fix Obamacare.

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2014/03/obama-trolls-tea-party-with-bumper.html?showComment=1395755500329#c5551309428649337955

    We shouldn’t forget that ObamaCare was written in the dead of night by Harry Reid’s office, voted on, unread, by the Senate hours later and sent to the House which passed it “as is” so it would not have to go back to the Senate where Scott Brown’s vote would have killed it.

    Therefore, there was no internal consistency check. There was no opportunity for clarifying amendments. There was no opportunity for anything Harry Reid did not think was appropriate. That is why we keep finding these unintended consequences that Obama tries to paper over with Executive Orders.

    That is why the idea of “fixing” ObamaCare is a very bad idea. There are so many traps in the bill (as well as in the stacks of “rules”) that no one could untangle the mess. This is just like a badly designed web site. Best to start all over than try to add undocumented patch upon undocumented patch in a vain attempt to fix it.

    Steve57 (a017ec)

  76. Kevin M wrote:

    1) Men benefit from birth control at least as much as women do.
    2) Women benefit from Viaqra at least as much as men do.

    Heteronormativist pig! I denounce you!

    The far-left Dana (3e4784)

  77. it is absolutely not true that Matt Fong’s mother supported his opponent in 1998.

    I stand corrected. That was from memory, and it may be that Boxer’s commercials made it seem that way.

    Kevin M (b11279)

  78. F-L Dana,

    I would think that gay men and women don’t much need birth control.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgp9MPLEAqA

    Although I admit lesbians don’t consume a lot of Viaqra, but this is perhaps balanced by gay men.

    Kevin M (b11279)

  79. 57, 75. And, I believe, a consensus has been established hereabouts, that ‘Akin’ or ‘McDonnell’ quality candidates standing on platforms and positions contrary to significant issues or interests of their constituents has little bearing on their performance at the ballot box in a general election.

    Her supporters are drop dead partisan.

    And the proposed remedy is the Right mimic the Left in this behavior.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  80. Lowest margin of victory for Boxer after winning her Senate seat has been 10%. Not low hanging fruit territory.

    In a state that is supposed to be bright blue? It’s hanging lower than most of the other fruit.

    Kevin M (b11279)

  81. 82. Nonetheless, it makes promises that, e.g., a Libertarian can win the state, without having some very significant voter identity cachet, e.g., being Californian, irresponsible at best.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  82. Roses are red
    Violets are blue
    The white heteronormative christofascist patriarchy
    Is raping you

    Fallopians 2:16

    h/t Stacy McCain

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)


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