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3/24/2014

WaPo Hackjob on Koch Brothers

Filed under: General — JD @ 6:47 am

[guest post by JD]

On Friday, in the random links, I highlighted a WaPo column that was wrong wrong wrong on the claimed facts, and was yet another in a long line of leftist hackjobs attacking the bogeyman Koch brothers.

The gentlemen at Powerline did an excellent job at showing how the claimed facts were not at all facts, and how the overall tone of the article stood in stark opposition to the facts regarding the Koch’s position, or lack thereof, to the Keystone pipeline.

The WaPo responded to this, in a thoroughly mendoucheous manner, basically admitting their figures were not right, the Koch bros were not the largest leaseholders, but they might be, if we are to take the word of their un-named well placed industry source who claims their holdings are the largest, almost double what currently documented. They then justify their article by claiming they are highlighting the inflammation of emotions that the Koch brothers are having on the next election cycle. A new spin on fake, but justified.

The gentlemen at Powerline have since responded to this nonsense, as have Ace of Spades, Jonathan Adler, and others. The tattered carcass of the MFM WaPo hacks lies in ruins.

This is the unbiased MFM in action. Click on the links. And they are just getting warmed up.

—JD

95 Responses to “WaPo Hackjob on Koch Brothers”

  1. Kocktopus!!!

    JD (534747)

  2. I imagine the logic behind this is simply the best defense is a good offense. By keeping false accusations alive it is a useful distraction from the truth.
    Sometimes it is good to remember the basics. Making false accusations is on par with adultery and murder going back to Moses. The Devil is referred to as the Father of lies. Alinsky’s patron angel is the Devil himself.
    Too outlandish to be believed, but about as straight forward by their own admission as you can get. Though few of them realize just how much they are simply pawns to be discarded.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  3. perhaps instead of calling it WaPo and add’l slash name is needed: WaPo/WaCKo

    jb (9e0ca2)

  4. You should add a link to the Volokh Conspiracy which has a post up on the subject and some interesting comments and which now is a WaPo blog. I would, but my internet skills are limited.

    Ipso Fatso (10964d)

  5. The majority of comments left at the WaPo Wonkblog with respect to their “update” and the ridiculous “justifiction” of the lies and strawmen in it, are not complimentary to the paper as a whole or to the authors of the hit piece.

    My hope this morning is that Jeff Bezos has been made aware of, and has read all about this most perfect example of why his paper has an increasing loss of influence and lack of trust outside the incestuous political class. Regardless of his personal politics, new into his ownership he has a very good one shot chance to work on making his paper more journalistically reliable and reader worthy–as I believe he said was his goal in buying the dying newspaper. I guess we’ll see.

    elissa (01d683)

  6. I see a few flying monkeys have been sent out after Hinderacker and Volokh, tho.

    elissa (01d683)

  7. Ipso – I linked their at the WaPo Adler link.

    JD (534747)

  8. The Philadelphia physician got it right: The Washington Post is simply using the Josef Goebbels theory of journalism these days, and it’s not hard to see why: they both have an agenda, and their customers, for the most part, lap this stuff up. If they were to do anything really radical like tell the truth, why they’d have to rename themselves The Washington Times. :)

    The amazing thing is that the perfessional journalists still haven’t gotten it: this internet thingy that Al Gore invented means that when they print pure bovine feces, people who spot it can get the word out. You’d have thought that they’d have learned from Dan Rather and, closer to home, Janet Cooke, just what that means.

    The unperfessional journalist Dana (3e4784)

  9. are not complimentary to the paper as a whole

    Similarly, I was reading an article on the French elections yesterday posted at Yahoo.com, and most of the readers were in the other direction of the news report’s writer. Some of them noted that photos of the more successful candidates had captions that described them as “far right,” while the caption of the out-and-out socialist running for the mayoralty of the city of Paris didn’t include the qualifier of “far left.”

    I wonder how all the two-faced leftists who dominate the media feel when something they’ve written gets feedback that doesn’t parrot the half-blind, flaky liberal line?

    Mark (cc48f8)

  10. JD, thanks, I missed that.

    Ipso Fatso (10964d)

  11. Is Hiltzikian a real word?

    ropelight (afeb35)

  12. The silence of Glenn Kessler and his little Pinocchios is deafening.

    Dana (9a8f57)

  13. 11. Comment by ropelight (afeb35) — 3/24/2014 @ 8:27 am

    Is Hiltzikian a real word?

    Now it is. If anyone can understand you. Although it might be a neologism.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neologism

    Sammy Finkelman (798a49)

  14. Sammy, please tell us that you see it and are as appalled by the Wonkblog writers’ mendacity on this matter as all the rest of us here are.

    elissa (01d683)

  15. They are so intent in making the Kochs devils, that in New York a nurses’s union protested against a hospital donation by David Koch.

    http://freebeacon.com/blog/koch-brother-donates-money-to-hospital-liberals-protest-not-a-parody/

    You’d think maybe they might reason that money he gives to a hospital, he can’t use to help a political candidate, or an ideological position they oppose, but they want to make him into poison.

    See also: http://nypost.com/2014/03/16/loopy-liberals-freak-over-koch-brothers-100m-hospital-gift/

    And:

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/seiu-insane-lefitsts-protests-100-mil-koch-donation-to-hospital/

    Now I’ll see if Patterico will or will not choke on 3 URLs in a single comment. To be safe, I’ll first put this into the clipboard.

    Sammy Finkelman (798a49)

  16. Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 3/24/2014 @ 7:29 am

    Making false accusations is on par with adultery and murder going back to Moses.

    In court!

    Sammy Finkelman (798a49)

  17. http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/special-report-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-370-plunged-into-southern-indian-ocean/

    If they have this right, and if this went down the way it sounds, all I can say is it takes a special kind of bastard to do this. Behind a locked cockpit door.

    I have no idea what it would be like to spend 7 hours knowing you’re never getting to where you planned on going. And not being able to do anything about it.

    Steve57 (4507bb)

  18. 14. Comment by elissa (01d683) — 3/24/2014 @ 8:53 am

    Sammy, please tell us that you see it and are as appalled by the Wonkblog writers’ mendacity on this matter as all the rest of us here are.

    I didn’t read the original article. I’ll try later..

    The Powerline article is completely believeable.

    They say the whole Washinton Post article is basically copying what some group called International Forum on Globalization says, and the whole effort there is to try to make it look like the Koch brothers would be the main beneficiaries of the Keystone Pipeline.

    But they say this seems to be the opposite of the truth because:

    1) Koch Industries in not the biggest leaseholder in Alberta. They were compared to some big oil companies, but the big oil companies are not the boggest holders of leases, something that people might assume was the case, but is not true.

    I’ll tell you why it is not true. Even though the price of oil is now somewhere around $100 a barrel or so, companies like Exxon only like to make investments if they an make a profit if oil sells (years from now – all these investments would come to fruition only years form now, and then not all at once) for $40 a barrel or less.

    Exxon has recently cut back on investment so their internal “break-even” price may be even lower than that.

    Small oil companies don’t make these kind of far-seeing calculations, or at least some of then don’t. So the big oil companie aren’t the biggest leaseholders.

    2) And Koch Industries, which holds only 3% of the area, isn’t the biggest either. This statement is flat out wrong.

    3) Koch Industries does not seem to be in a position to benefit from the Keystone Pipeline, having not reserved space.

    4) Koch Indistries would actually lose from the opening of the Keystone Pipeline, as it might drive down the price of crude in the markets they sell in.

    180 degrees wrong.

    Washington Post reply:

    1) They said their source was a left-wing group. (although they probably did not indicate that that meant it was not trustworthy.

    2) They said that Koch has not bid for space in the pipeline, that Koch would not be a customer, and their leases predate it.

    3) Koch’s lease holdings are still big, even if not the biggest. [but nobody dominates! - SF]

    4) Maybe the industry sources that told them it is closer to 2 million are right.

    5) The Powerline article, and its tone is proof that issues about the Koch brothers are important, and that’s why they wrote the piece!

    But what Powerline proves is that the point of all of this is totally wrong.

    Did the original WaPo article carry with it the implication that smears are being made against the Koch Brothers?

    If that was what a reader would take away from the original article, then Steven Mufson and Juliet Eilperin are right. If not, the writers are being mendacious.

    Sammy Finkelman (798a49)

  19. Comment by Steve57 (4507bb) — 3/24/2014 @ 9:23 am

    I have no idea what it would be like to spend 7 hours knowing you’re never getting to where you planned on going. And not being able to do anything about it.

    Well, if you have any laptops, or recorders with you, you might record last messages. Also try writing on pillows but maybe that won’t last. That might be more important to look at than the black boxes, which might have been turned off.

    But the cockpit door can be gootten into by other members of the flight crew who know the secret, so that’s probab;ly not the scenario.

    Malysaia is now saying that that report that before he took off the Malaysian pilot took a short tekephone call from abrner phone that was bought by a woman using afalse identity – may not be true.

    Looks like more disinformation against the pilot.

    I’d say maybe a hijacking by a method that the hijackers wish to keep secret. In Malaysian Airlines the cockpit door was most often not locked.

    Sammy Finkelman (798a49)

  20. Maybe the MFM got this one right. Which means it sucked for 200 plus people. The pilot didn’t just kill these people. He dragged it out. There are words for the contempt I have for someone like that, but I won’t use them here.

    Steve57 (4507bb)

  21. Snow predicted for tomorrow afternoon, 1-3 inches.

    Earlier they were saying if there will be a snowstorm, Long Island was more likely, but it might all stay out at sea.

    Still earlier they didn’t know if there would be a storm.

    Sammy Finkelman (798a49)

  22. 19. …Looks like more disinformation against the pilot.

    I’d say maybe a hijacking by a method that the hijackers wish to keep secret. In Malaysian Airlines the cockpit door was most often not locked.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (798a49) — 3/24/2014 @ 9:34 am

    To what purpose would this hijacking have had?

    Steve57 (4507bb)

  23. ==I didn’t read the original article. I’ll try later. Comment by Sammy Finkelman (798a49) — 3/24/2014 @ 9:30 am==

    Prolly you should actually read the source material (original WaPo article) that we’ve all been discussing for three days before opining, Sammy. It’s widely available for perusal on the internets.

    elissa (01d683)

  24. Sorry to hear about the snow, Sammy.

    Steve57 (4507bb)

  25. All that that latest report (coming from anot too reliable source, the Malaysian Prime Minister) means is that there is somewhat more cofirmation that the plane ended up where they have been looking for it the last five and a half days.

    I heard earlier something green and something orange was spotted there. The wooden plalet is used ion ships – probably much more than planes.

    I don’t know that anybody has retrieved anything that definitely came from the plane.

    Just the fact that it ended up theer doesn’t mean the pilot theory is right. It might be that there was nobody who knew how to get in contact wth anyone at the controls.

    Sammy Finkelman (798a49)

  26. I heard earlier something green and something orange was spotted there. The wooden plalet is used ion ships – probably much more than planes.

    I have no idea what this means.

    You could be right about the Malaysians. They may want to scapegoat this guy. Don’t see what that does for their airline, though.

    Steve57 (4507bb)

  27. Scapegoating the pilot would take blame away from somebody in the Malaysian government, either for neglect or for making a hijacking possible by appointing someone to some position for a corrupt or patronage reason.

    The Malaysian government acted for along time like hey did not want the black boxes to be found.

    Sammy Finkelman (798a49)

  28. Snowden’s leaks are having effects.

    U.S. Scurries to Shore Up Spying on Russia
    In Crimea, Russia May Have Gotten a Jump on West by Evading U.S. Eavesdropping

    Some hero.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/16/nsa-dmitry-medvedev-g20-summit

    Steve57 (4507bb)

  29. The link to the original WaPo article is only through the Powerline article. This is a direct link:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/03/20/the-biggest-land-owner-in-canadas-oil-sands-isnt-exxon-mobil-or-conoco-phillips-its-the-koch-brothers/

    First problem: The headline is wrong.

    Second problem: It says this figire is “likely to inflame debate” — but that’s only because some people are lying. The WaPo article takes a really neutral positionon this. And the WaPo article is how this disinformation gets out into the wider public.

    It doesn’t matter that the article is not as mendacious as their sources and indicates other sources say things are not the way they appear.

    They will be cited.

    The article says:

    Still, the activist group that is publicizing the figures about Koch holdings in the oil sands – the International Forum on Globalization – is arguing that Koch will benefit indirectly. The IFG contends that the Keystone XL pipeline will create competition among rail and other pipelines and lower transportation costs for all oil sands producers, bolstering profit margins and making additional reserves economically viable.

    As Powerline argues, it might also lower the cost of the crude oil itself!

    An honest article would express extreme skeptcism, and run with that tone only if the International Forum on Globalization had some other method of getting its propaganda out.

    “IFG’s intention is to demonstrate the Koch-Keystone connection,” says IFG’s Victor Menotti.

    This is the point in the article where some skepticism about there being any kind of meaningful connection should be put. It’s not there.

    Hey – get some quotes from lobbyists on the other side of the issue and self-appointed experts on lobbying tactics.

    Sammy Finkelman (798a49)

  30. G20 summit: NSA targeted Russian president Medvedev in London
    Leaked documents reveal Russian president was spied on during visit, as questions are raised over use of US base in Britain

    Steve57 (4507bb)

  31. Steven Mufson and Juliet Eilperin checked out the story, found it was wrong, and ran the artivle anyway, or at least the most helpful one they could.

    They have an uncontradicted alleged benefit to the Koch Brothers from the Keystone Pipeline, even though it’s not the one they started with.

    Sammy Finkelman (798a49)

  32. There’s an emergency G7 summit today in the Netherlands – later Presidnet Obama, after making a few other stops, will visit Saudi Arabi for consultations with the remaining members of the Gulf Co-operation Council (without Qatar, maybe without Oman.)

    Sammy Finkelman (798a49)

  33. The oddest thing is that this isn’t even a good smear. MD says that “making false accusations is on par with adultery and murder”, but this story doesn’t make false accusations; it just tells harmless lies. Even if the facts alleged were 100% true, it wouldn’t be a newsworthy story, and I would wonder why anyone thought it interesting enough to report. No wrongdoing of any kind is alleged, even indirectly.

    Suppose Koch Industries were the biggest leaseholder in the region. How would that be of interest to anyone? They’re an energy company; wouldn’t one expect them to invest heavily in an oil field? And suppose that, contrary to the facts, they did stand to benefit from the Keystone pipeline. Again, how would that be of interest to anyone? It’s not as if they’ve said or done anything to promote it, or to fund the campaign behind it. They haven’t, which is not surprising, considering that the pipeline is actually likely to cost them money if it’s built.

    I greatly admire the Kochs, but I don’t expect them to deliberately undermine their business interests. I think the pipeline is good for America, so I support it, but I wouldn’t expect any help from the Kochs in campaigning for it. On the contrary, my admiration for them is increased by the fact that (as far as I know) they have not funded the campaign against it. If it stands to cost them as much as the Powerline people say it does, then they must be tempted to try to stop it, and they deserve admiration if they have resisted that temptation and have merely stayed neutral.

    So at the end of the day, what was the point of WaPo’s lies?

    Milhouse (b95258)

  34. The point is they are getting the battlefield ready for Hillary and she needs as many people as possible to demonize.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  35. http://rt.com/usa/snowden-leak-black-budget-176/

    This will bite us, too.

    Snowden made some things public that should have been known. But he made a lot of things public that he should have shut up about.

    Steve57 (4507bb)

  36. But the story doesn’t demonize the Kochs. It just reports some humdrum facts about them, that happen not to be true, but that wouldn’t be at all damaging if they were.

    Milhouse (b95258)

  37. Comment by Milhouse (b95258) — 3/24/2014 @ 10:34 am

    So at the end of the day, what was the point of WaPo’s lies?

    To write a story friendly to some sources – not necessarily this International Forum on Globalization group, but some political aides working for Democrats – so they’ll contimue to answer their telephone calls and feed them stories.

    They can say: See, we ran the story, or some version of it.

    Sammy Finkelman (798a49)

  38. They left out the part aboutthe Koch brothers being the principle backers of the Keystone Pipeline, except for this:

    The finding about the Koch acreage is likely to inflame the already contentious debate about the Keystone XL Pipeline and spur activists and environmentalists seeking to slow or stop planned expansions of production from the northern Alberta oil sands, or tar sands. Environmental groups have already made opposing the pipeline their leading cause this spring and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has called the Koch brothers Charles and David “un-American” and “shadowy billionaires.”

    Sammy Finkelman (798a49)

  39. 34. The point is they are getting the battlefield ready for Hillary and she needs as many people as possible to demonize.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/24/2014 @ 10:41 am

    What scares me is that it could happen. Billy Jeff has been working on this since he left office. As much as he disgusts me, he knows something about getting elected.

    I’ve got to give him that.

    Steve57 (4507bb)

  40. Milhouse,

    It doesn’t matter what the facts are. The original WaPo article focused (incorrectly) on a connection between the Kochs and the Keystone pipeline — leading the authors to imply the Kochs support the pipeline and thus do not support environmental causes. That, alone, is a black mark in the eyes of most liberals. In addition, it repeated Harry Reid’s slur that the Kochs are “un-American” and “shadowy billionaires.” The point of the article is to create a list of bad guys for liberals to demonize to the point that just saying their names will evoke anger and passion in liberal minds.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  41. They left out the part about the Koch brothers being the principle backers of the Keystone Pipeline, except for this:

    The finding about the Koch acreage is likely to inflame the already contentious debate about the Keystone XL Pipeline and spur activists and environmentalists seeking to slow or stop planned expansions of production from the northern Alberta oil sands, or tar sands. Environmental groups have already made opposing the pipeline their leading cause this spring and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has called the Koch brothers Charles and David “un-American” and “shadowy billionaires.”

    That quote doesn’t claim, or even imply, that the Kochs back the pipeline, let alone that they are its principal backers. It would be a lie if it did say that, because they don’t and they’re not, but it doesn’t say that. I don’t understand where you’re seeing it.

    Milhouse (b95258)

  42. The point of the article is to create a list of bad guys for liberals to demonize to the point that just saying their names will evoke anger and passion in liberal minds.

    In that case it’s way too late, and superfluous.

    Milhouse (b95258)

  43. What scares me is that it could happen. Billy Jeff has been working on this since he left office.

    I was surprised it didn’t happen in 2012. As of Dec-2008 I was fully expecting Clinton to try to do to 0bama what Kennedy very nearly did to Carter, and since as far as we know she has never killed anyone I expected her to succeed.

    My prediction at the time was that the major party tickets for 2012 would not have any white men. I predicted Hillary Clinton and Harold Ford v Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal. Or possibly Clinton and David Patterson, though she’d have had to move back to Illinois to do that. Of course none of this came to pass.

    Milhouse (b95258)

  44. Mr Finkelman gives absolutely the worstest justification:

    To write a story friendly to some sources – not necessarily this International Forum on Globalization group, but some political aides working for Democrats – so they’ll contimue to answer their telephone calls and feed them stories.

    They can say: See, we ran the story, or some version of it.

    Uhhh, that’s not smart journalism. The Post now knows that they got snookered, and (I would hope that) some reporters have been getting a thorough talking-to about verifying sources and information, but if we are to accept what you have said on face value, it would be that the Post wants to encourage a group which gave them bad information to keep giving them information. And that makes no sense at all!

    Unless, of course, the Post would rather have bad information from liberal groups than no information at all.

    The very unperfessional journalist Dana (3e4784)

  45. The very unprofessional journalist Dana, I like the cut of your jib.

    Steve57 (4507bb)

  46. Milhouse,

    It surprises me to see you argue that a lie can’t be effective political propaganda. You do realize, don’t you, that ObamaCare was sold based on a passel of lies?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  47. Milhouse–Standing on its own this one article in WaPo might amount to little more than annoying enraging some of us who want the press to at least be factually honest even in their bias and spin.

    But taken in the larger context of all the vicious “War on Koch” that has been permeating lefty blogs for more than four years, and the recent overt Democrat Party war on named private citizens as exemplified by Harry Reid on the senate floor, this from WaPo cannot be allowed to stand without major pushback.

    The “evil” devil horned Koch brothers were also inexplicably front and center in the union’s shenanigans and chants in Wiscconsin during the capitol takeover and recall effort.

    The original article didn’t bother to honestly identify the “activist” group whose material they were copying– but they made damn sure to label the Kochs.

    elissa (01d683)

  48. The Koch brothers funded a climate-change study. Did anyone hear how that turned out?

    CALL me a converted skeptic. Three years ago I identified problems in previous climate studies that, in my mind, threw doubt on the very existence of global warming. Last year, following an intensive research effort involving a dozen scientists, I concluded that global warming was real and that the prior estimates of the rate of warming were correct. I’m now going a step further: Humans are almost entirely the cause.

    Our results show that the average temperature of the earth’s land has risen by two and a half degrees Fahrenheit over the past 250 years, including an increase of one and a half degrees over the most recent 50 years. Moreover, it appears likely that essentially all of this increase results from the human emission of greenhouse gases.
    These findings are stronger than those of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the United Nations group that defines the scientific and diplomatic consensus on global warming.

    carlitos (e7c734)

  49. The “evil” devil horned Koch brothers got protested for funding a hospital.

    http://nypost.com/2014/03/16/loopy-liberals-freak-over-koch-brothers-100m-hospital-gift/

    Liberals don’t care about the people they pretend to care about.

    Steve57 (4507bb)

  50. The new jingle of the Left;
    Have a Coke lie about the Koch Brothers and a smile.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  51. Carlitos, the way to look at it, it seems to me, involves three steps.

    1. Is the planet warming

    2. Are humans causing it.

    3. What should we do about it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw5Lda06iK0

    The 50 to 1 Project

    Wealth is the best tool you can have to adapt to what the future may bring.

    Steve57 (4507bb)

  52. Comment by The very unperfessional journalist Dana (3e4784) — 3/24/2014 @ 11:23 am

    but if we are to accept what you have said on face value, it would be that the Post wants to encourage a group which gave them bad information to keep giving them information. And that makes no sense at all!

    Oh, they got good information.

    Environmental groups have already made opposing the pipeline their leading cause this spring and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has called the Koch brothers Charles and David “un-American” and “shadowy billionaires

    They’ll get updated on what the opponents of the Keystone Pipeline are doing, and be the first press people to know what Harry Reid is up to concerning this and many other matters.

    Unless, of course, the Post would rather have bad information from liberal groups than no information at all.

    That’s also true – but anyway the important news to the Post is not what anybody is claiming, it is what is going to happen next in Congress, or who might or might not get elected to something, or who might run or decide not to run for something, and who might gte appointed to some position and maybe what regulations are going to be issued and so on.

    Sammy Finkelman (798a49)

  53. Dear America,

    My wife and kids are vacationing in China because there’s nothing interesting enough for them to see in America. You just don’t hold our interest, America.

    Love,
    Signed,

    Barack

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  54. Just the latest target of disinformation and teh two minutes of lefty moonbat hate.

    Colonel Haiku (eb2f08)

  55. 48. They looked over the last 250 years, and the last 30 years, but not the last 15 years. They had to go back 250 years to get such good results.

    Problem: Warming is not taking place at a proportional rate to the increase in carbon dioxide. there are other causes of temperature swings.

    Increased emissions of carbon dioxide, or something that roughly tracks it, seems to be one of those causes. You need to go back 250 years for it really to stand out.

    Next questions:

    1) Is this bad?

    2) Is carbon dioxide the cause, or maybe it’s somthing else, like dihydrogen monoxide?

    3) Is all the increase in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere coming from human activity, or have we got cause and effect partially reversed – is increased temperature causing an increased level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere?

    4) Since whatever we have would be the result of the sum total of what everybody ahs been doing in the last 150 years or so (since the time Carbon dioxide levels from burning coal began to rise, which we know because it affected carbon 14 levels, and they really only become significant about 1890 – but anyway what’s everybody has been doing – does it make any sense to miniscully affect the trend?

    5) As for the idea of a tipping point, has anyone ever heard of chaois theory?

    6) What about some other intervention other than the equivalent of trying to bail out the ocean with a teaspoon, such as injecting sulfer dioxide into the atmosphere over the Arctic or fertilizing the Pacific Ocean for planlton, which would also give us more fish?

    7) Is warming the problem, or aren’t storms or a rise in sea level the problem? Isn’t warming and a greater level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, considered in isolation, actually a benefit?

    8) Wouldn’t it make more sense anyway to adapt to the rising sea level or bigger storms than to attempt to very indirectly affect the trends??

    Sammy Finkelman (798a49)

  56. The Koch Bros are well down the list of contributors to political causes, a list which is dominated by leftwing 1%ers and special interest groups. The pedophile Harry Reid uses them to send compliant media down various rabbit trails and deflect attention from obumbler’s disastrous reign and sh*theel Democrat activities.

    Colonel Haiku (eb2f08)

  57. My wife and kids are vacationing in China because….

    They’ll never get another chance to get an all expenses trip paid for by the U.S. and the Chinese governments, after I am no longer president. I mean, if you won a trip to China from Let’s Make a Deal, or Oprah, you’d take the trip too, wouldn’t you? And it’s educational for my children, or so they say, and I’m a sucker for anything educational. Don’t they call Illinois the Sucker State?

    Sammy Finkelman (798a49)

  58. Milhouse,

    It surprises me to see you argue that a lie can’t be effective political propaganda.

    Of course it can be, but this story isn’t even propaganda. If this story had claimed that the Kochs were funding the pro-pipeline campaign, and had “exposed” their secret reason for doing so, i.e. that they stood to make beelions and beelions from it, more than anyone else, and that’s why they were so prominent in the campaign for it, that would be excellent propaganda, even though every word of it would be a lie.

    But it doesn’t even claim that. And it isn’t so well-known that it doesn’t need to be claimed, because in fact they’re not supporting the pipeline. Their genuine public-mindedness doesn’t extend that far, and I wouldn’t expect it to. I think it’s to their enormous credit that they aren’t opposing it.

    Milhouse (b95258)

  59. A question–did you read the original Wonkblog column, Milhouse? Why do you think they wrote it? And then danced around a “correction”?

    elissa (b0299e)

  60. That’s what I’m puzzled at. All those lies, for what purpose? As I said in my initial comment, these aren’t false accusations, they’re just harmless lies.

    Milhouse (b95258)

  61. Rather than doing a dishonest hit job on the Koch Brothers which reinforces other dishonest Democratic hit jobs on the brothers, it would be refreshing to see WaPo do a piece on who benefits from the denial of the Keystone pipeline and who is hurt.

    The could start with big Democrat donor and Obama buddy Warren Buffet who usually only advocates for things in his best interest. His Berkshire Hathaway owns the Burlington Northern railroad, which currently hauls oil between western Canada and the U.S. and from shale fields in North Dakota. Both businesses are likely to be impacted by the approval of the Keystone Pipeline. Pipeline transport of oil is also safer than rail transport so traffic deaths and accidents would likely decline with approval, not to mention the jobs created during the pipeline’s construction. Lower prices, hey, we’re not supposed to talk about that, since gas prices have doubled on Obama’s watch.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  62. “As I said in my initial comment, these aren’t false accusations, they’re just harmless lies.”

    Milhouse – Why are lies harmless if people believe them?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  63. Add to that Tom Steyer, whose being financing the Center for American Progress, in general, and Terry McAuliffe in particular, to the tune of 8 million dollars,

    narciso (3fec35)

  64. 1. Is the planet warming

    2. Are humans causing it.

    3. What should we do about it.

    You forgot 3. If so, is it a good or a bad thing? Your 3 is really 4. Though actually 2 isn’t that relevant; if it’s happening and it’s a bad thing and there’s something we can do to stop it (that won’t be worse than the problem itself) then we should, no matter what’s causing it. The facts, of course, seem to be that 1. No, it’s not happening; 2. When it was happening it wasn’t because of anything we did; 3. It was a good thing, and we should wish it were still happening; 4. If we were to be concerned about it, the most sensible thing to do would be to wait 50 years or so, until the danger became imminent. By then we’ll probably have better technology to address it, and even if we don’t it will be cheaper to build dykes and/or evacuate low-lying areas than it would be to reduce emisions.

    Milhouse (b95258)

  65. Milhouse,

    Lies published in newspapers aren’t harmless.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  66. Aside from bringing aboard Eugene Volokh, just what has Jeff Bezos done to change the atmosphere at the WaPo for the better?
    They still print the same lies as they always have, sometimes even more shamelessly than before.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  67. Milhouse – Why are lies harmless if people believe them?
    — and —
    Lies published in newspapers aren’t harmless.

    Whom do these lies harm? As I said in my initial comment, even if the article were 100% true, it doesn’t say anything bad about the Kochs. So what was the point in lying?

    Milhouse (b95258)

  68. Pure class warfare from the original article:

    “The finding about the Koch acreage is likely to inflame the already contentious debate about the Keystone XL Pipeline and spur activists and environmentalists seeking to slow or stop planned expansions of production from the northern Alberta oil sands, or tar sands…………..

    The link between Koch and Keystone XL is, however, indirect at best. Koch’s oil production in northern Alberta is “negligible,” according to industry sources and quarterly publications of the provincial government……..

    Still, the activist group that is publicizing the figures about Koch holdings in the oil sands – the International Forum on Globalization – is arguing that Koch will benefit indirectly……

    What is IFG saying?

    It’s saying that Koch is perhaps the biggest investor in oil sands leases in Alberta. Its report includes links to 299 lease documents, which indicate that Koch has been buying leases in Alberta for several years, in some cases as long ago as 2002………………

    IFG says that Koch will reap huge benefits – albeit indirect ones — from the Keystone XL pipeline. The reasoning? If better pipeline and rail facilities make the business of oil transportation more efficient and more competitive then the price of shipping crude will be cheaper for all oil producers in the region. It would curtail discounts on the crude, and would make more areas economically viable……….

    What did IFG say back in October?

    In its earlier report, “The Billionaires’ Carbon Bomb,” the IFG said that “because of the Keystone XL Pipeline, the Kochs could make an additional $100 billion in profits from their production operations alone.” The group, using rough estimates, assumed a $15 a barrel additional profit on six billion barrels of reserves that would become economically recoverable……….”

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  69. Milhouse,

    When did you stop beating your wife ?

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  70. “So what was the point in lying?”

    You’ll get it eventually.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  71. they went deep into the crazy, for their two minute hate;

    http://v2.ifg.org/about/ifg-board-of-directors/ifg-board-of-directors-staff-biographies/#SL

    narciso (3fec35)

  72. askeptic– I agree. Hence my comment up at 5. Bezos as the new owner has very limited time in which to demonstrate (both internally and externally) that he plans to improve the paper’s jounalistic standards and put out a better quality product. Otherwise, he’ll just be seen as yet another enabler of leftist propaganda and will lose money as the paper continues its loss of intelligent readers.

    elissa (b0299e)

  73. That stuff in #70, completely harmless.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  74. Pure class warfare from the original article:

    And in all that verbiage, there’s not a word about the Kochs supporting the pipeline! That’s the puzzling thing. Without that, the article does no damage to their reputation at all. So what was the point?

    Milhouse,

    When did you stop beating your wife ?

    Huh? I don’t get it.

    Milhouse (b95258)

  75. “Senate Republicans are addicted to Koch.”

    Harry Reid

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  76. Milhouse,

    So you actually admit you have not stopped beating your wife ?

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  77. Milhouse,

    The authors don’t need to say the Kochs are behind the pipeline or are using it for personal gain. Their readers will believe it when the media links them together. They rely on the narrative that conservatives are greedy and corrupt, and merely linking them to a pipeline that environmentalists oppose is enough to reinforce the narrative.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  78. DRJ – The shadowy, evil, greedy, and corrupt Koch Brothers are going to make $100 billion from the pipeline!!!!!! When have they made enough money? The earth will burn.

    Enuf said.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  79. Harmless

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  80. So, Pepsi can sign long-term contracts with concessionaires at football stadiums, basketball arenas, and movie theater chains, but if the Kochs want to bring more oil to American refineries, they’re “evil.”
    Or something.

    This is Obama’s America.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  81. Mark green on “Both Sides Now”

    While there are twice as many Democratic Senate incumbents vulnerable in low-turnout 2014, there will be twice as many Republicans up in 2016. I’ll take this bet: Rs may win both chambers in 2014 but lose one or both if an HRC wins by 55% or more. Who needs Nate Silver?

    But why should HRC win by 55%? A bad candidate and a bad campaign maybe, but she has many, many, half-buried vulnerabilities.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  82. In court!
    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (798a49) — 3/24/2014 @ 9:00 am

    Actually, I was thinking of the court of Final Judgement, where jury nullification is not possible.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  83. Even if there was “no point” to the article, it gave something for people to read and talk about other than all of the bad things that can be traced to President Obama.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  84. MD in Philly – You mean like the evil, greedy, shadowy, and corrupt 1% screwing the 99% and the planet, or something?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  85. the court of Final Judgement, where jury nullification is not possible.

    I’m in for it. I was counting on some slack from Minos, being at least a collateral descendant of his and all ….

    nk (dbc370)

  86. When his aide showed him the Macy’s ad that read, “little boys pants half off”, Harry Reid quickly adjourned proceedings on the floor of teh Senate.

    Colonel Haiku (4a5fff)

  87. I heard from a well-placed source that Harry Reid hasn’t slept with a boy of over 10 years of age in the last 10 years.

    Colonel Haiku (4a5fff)

  88. Harry Reid once posed
    for American Gothic
    hemorrhoids aflame

    Colonel Haiku (4a5fff)

  89. Tony Spilotro
    left some unfinished bidness
    and one unfilled hole

    Colonel Haiku (4a5fff)

  90. li’l Harry Reid all dressed in tweed
    the ponce of dreary Searchlight
    dad died a drunk, mom went to seed
    Reid took to ring, thought he’d fight

    Colonel Haiku (4a5fff)

  91. Milhouse, are you really that dense? The purpose was to link the pipeline to the Koch Bros. Thereby reinforcing opposition to it as the “cooredct” choice among the Dems. Same reason Reid is lying about the Koch Bros on Senate floor. To shore up base.

    SPQR (768505)

  92. Mr rocks wrote:

    Rather than doing a dishonest hit job on the Koch Brothers which reinforces other dishonest Democratic hit jobs on the brothers, it would be refreshing to see WaPo do a piece on who benefits from the denial of the Keystone pipeline and who is hurt.

    Just take this cup into the bathroom and fill it please. We need at least 50 milliliters, and do not flush the toilet when you are done.

    The sarcastic Dana (3e4784)

  93. WaPo WHackjob on Koch Brothers

    You missed the alliterative “W” — glad to help.

    Smock Puppet, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses." (225d0d)


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