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3/5/2014

Steve Stockman Defeated

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:34 am

Yesterday’s election showed that even Texans’ appetite for strong candidates does not extend to oddballs who threaten to sue people for truthful statements and seem generally untrustworthy. Like Christine O’Donnell, whom I opposed not for being a witch but because she seemed dishonest, Steve Stockman does not seem like the kind of person who would make you proud.

271 Responses to “Steve Stockman Defeated”

  1. But Abortion Barbie won . . . only to wind up out of office following the November elections.

    The Dana seeking the first comment (3e4784)

  2. And I suppose were stuck with him again too?

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  3. I’m pleased with the Texas GOP primary results because they generally favored Tea Party candidates. Greg Abbott, a Cruz ally and Tea Party favorite, easily won the governor’s nomination. In the lt governor’s race, not only did David Dewhurst not win the nomination, he came in a distant second to Tea Party favorite Dan Patrick. There will be a run-off in this and several other state-wide races, because there was a lot of competition for every position. The best part is that every incumbent ran on a very conservative platform, so if they don’t keep their promises, Texas voters will notice. (I’m looking at you, John Cornyn and Pete Sessions.) Sessions should vote more conservatively for the next 2 years or he will face an even tougher race next time. He had a $1.5M war chest and faced an opponent with no name ID and only $150k to spend — a 10:1 advantage — and the opponent still got 30% of the vote.

    Of course, I doubt Cornyn will care about keeping his conservative pledges in the next 6 years. He’s likely run his last race and unfortunately all he seems to care about is his Senate home, not his Texas home. He could have been a fine conservative leader but being in the Senate leadership is all he cares about now. Still, it has to sting that his margin of victory was under 60%. That’s pathetic for someone with no credible opponent, and he has to know it means his popularity is low.

    A couple of other notes: I think the turnout margins were 1.6M votes in the GOP primary and 700k in the Democratic primary — almost a 1 million vote difference. I expect the Democrats to turn out more in the general election and yesterday’s weather depressed voting substantially, especially in Democratic areas, but those aren’t the numbers they wanted to see. Finally, Wendy Davis only pulled in 80$ of the vote in her primary, losing 20% to an unknown Hispanic opponent. That tells me she’s not that popular with the base.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  4. My error. Cornyn’s “margin of victory” wasn’t under 60%. His total votes were under 60%, with his opponents garnering 40% of the vote. That’s not very good when your main rival is an ‘oddball.’

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  5. 4. Thanks for the careful update. I hate spending my own time on research that would be amateurish at best result.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  6. Christine O’Donnell/Sharon Angle 2016 !

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  7. George P. Bush won his primary for Land Commissioner, and I see that Tom Huffines narrowly upset longtime State Senator John Carona in their GOP primary.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  8. Why did O’Donnell seem dishonest?

    Davod (4cc250)

  9. 6. Because Stones is convinced, O’Donnell, the GOP’s 2006 candidate versus Biden, was miscast in 2010 and clandestinely sought to force Mike Castle into his current position as lobbyist for Al Jazeera.

    He would have caused less trouble voting with the Republicans some of the time.

    Yeah, I know, the Hale Bopp aliens got him. What they intend to do with him is anyone’s guess.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  10. Stones, my lump o’ gneiss avatar of you doesn’t even drool, it just sits there staring at the wall.

    Give me something.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  11. Yes forget about the IRS lien, that was conjured out of whole cloth, and the ‘concerned coworker’s FEC complaint, which was handled by Lerner’s replacement, but they found no cause to proceed,

    narciso (3fec35)

  12. Gary #9,

    You’re a little off in your history.
    In 2006, O’Donnell actually finished third in the GOP primary, yet still ran in the general election as a write-in candidate and took away 4% of the vote from the GOP nominee.
    But Joe Biden wasn’t the Democrat opponent that year—Tom Carper was.

    In 2008, she was the GOP nominee, and got crushed by Biden.

    In 2010, she got crushed by Chris Coons.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  13. Gary,

    What was the deal with Stockman ?
    Apparently, he hardly campaigned against Cornyn.
    Why did he bother to run if he wasn’t going to get out there with a pitchfork and speak truth to power ?
    Our gal M-Kat Ham is asking the same question over at HotAir.com

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  14. Elephant Stone,

    There is speculation that Stockman was never really serious about his Senate campaign, and he used this race and the Tea Party to retire old campaign debts. Whatever his motivation, I think his last-minute decision to run was more about him than Cornyn. There was no serious opposition to Cornyn, so Stockman saw the race as an opportunity and he took it.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  15. 12. Sorry, I stand corrected 2008, not 2006 as I wrote.

    The point from my damaged vantage is the TEA party was not a phenomenon in 2008, let alone 2006.

    The DE primary is closed, not open to us saboteurs.

    The idea from marginally sapient outsiders, that the TEA party and DE Republican trailer trash engineered defeat is wacked.

    Mike Castle having been Governor and then Congressman did not assure his election versus Coons. He lost the primary to a lapsed Wiccan by 6% because he was a known quantity.

    Run away before we abuse you again.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  16. Ot, this is the degree they will go the wall for their candidates;

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/03/alan-grayson-lawyers-lolita-started-it-grayson-the-victim/

    narciso (3fec35)

  17. the Katrina person race was more interesting and dissapointing, it seems they are near free of any prospect of removal

    narciso (3fec35)

  18. Sorry, Pierson,

    narciso (3fec35)

  19. DRJ,

    That’s too bad that Stockman appears to have pulled a stunt like that. It is unfair to the people who sent him money for this campaign with the expectation that he would, uh, campaign. Or something.

    Nonetheless, conservatism had a pretty good showing in TX yesterday. It appears a lot of people are excited about Huffines defeating Carona.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  20. Elephant Stone,

    Stockman doesn’t bother me at all. It was never practical for someone with a real chance to win to get in the Cornyn race, given his war chest and name ID. So the next best thing is for someone like Stockman to get in at the last minute — with no state-wide name ID, no money and no effort whatsoever — and still pull in almost 20% of the vote. Counting all the opponents, they pulled in over 40% of the vote. It may be a joke but, to me, the joke is on Cornyn.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  21. Cornyn may well be arrogant enough to ignore the election results but the people who fund political races certainly won’t.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  22. Gary,

    O’Donnell got her clock cleaned three times in Delaware general elections.
    There’s no ribbon and bow to wrap around that fact.
    On the other hand, Mike Castle proved he could win a general election in Delaware.

    Elections are about winning.
    If you don’t win, the other party gets to govern.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  23. narciso,

    Katrina Pierson’s loss isn’t a surprise. Dallas voters are among the most establishment GOP voters in the state. It may be the last place in Texas where the Tea Party will make real gains, but eventually it will.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  24. I think the fact Pierson got 30% of the vote with grass-roots efforts and little money will only embolden the Tea Party and others like Pierson. I expect to see her return like Utah’s Mia Love.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  25. DRJ did you see the Business Insider article about this race and Cruz that I posted last night on another thread and asked you about? Actually, prolly not since I know you would have responded had you seen my question to you. I’d still be interested in your thoughts if you have time. I thought it raised some interesting considerations about external perception and candidate quality.

    elissa (6fe1df)

  26. Probanly so, DRJ, Cornyn hold the purse strings, and as such will grant or withhold, as has been his want,

    narciso (3fec35)

  27. elissa,

    I didn’t see your comment so that’s why I didn’t respond — you know me, I would have loved talking about this! — but I assume you are talking about this article. My response to that is what I wrote in comment 21, above, and posted about the same time you left your comment asking about it. I guess we’re on the same wavelength but if there’s something you think I haven’t addressed, please ask.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  28. In other news, Boehner’s priorities are going to be
    amnesty and not repealing Obamacare, good times,

    narciso (3fec35)

  29. By the way, elissa, Cornyn portrayed himself as a solid Texas conservative and identical to the Tea Party on every issue. He is a conservative by national standards, but the recent debt ceiling vote was something he obviously didn’t want to talk about in Texas. I think it’s the reason he fell to under 60% of the primary vote instead of his usual 80+%.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  30. It was your statement that “Stockman does not bother me at all” that prompted me to ask, DRJ. I know you feel that in the primary any vote against Cornyn was a good vote and a telling vote (for the conservative cause) regardless of who the anti- Cornyn opponent was. I think that article suggested that to the wider world the unserious and somewhat strange Stockmans (and yes O’Donnells) of the world can actually do great damage to the perception of a nascent brand or a cause.

    elissa (6fe1df)

  31. I thought Cruz came across very well and favorably in that article, btw.

    elissa (6fe1df)

  32. Stockman doesn’t bother me at all, nor did O’Donnell. If people want to judge the entire Tea Party movement because of one candidate, so be it. Those same people will be easily swayed by anything, including by a conservative when the GOP finally nominates someone with backbone and charisma. The answer isn’t to have thought and speech police, nor is it to hand-select every candidate to meet an elite political selection committee’s version of an ideal nominee.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  33. You know the fact that they fixed the elections in Minnesota, and conjured up a phony indictment in Alaska, just to pass this horrible law, which just gets even more byzantine;

    http://hotair.com/archives/2014/03/05/here-we-go-hhs-announces-that-insurers-can-keep-extending-un-canceled-health-plans-until-october-2016/

    narciso (3fec35)

  34. There are a lot of people who vote for the cool nominee or the popular nominee. That isn’t stupid. It’s using peer judgment to make decisions that they aren’t sure how to make. We all do it now and then, such as when we pick out clothes, cars or vacations based on what our friends pick.

    But people who make decisions that way are easily swayed by public opinion. Seeing a surge of interest in a conservative nominee who speaks well and makes sense can impact those same people. They are the real mushy middle and the Democrats know it, but it’s going negative on their opponent and turning out the base that the Democrats focus on. Like it or not, that’s what the GOP should focus on, too.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  35. 23. “Elections are about winning”

    Rove didn’t get the memo.

    In other news Mumia’s attorney denied promotion.

    8 Democrats voted against Adegbile: Casey, Coons, Donnelly, Manchin, Walsh, Heitkamp, Pryor. Reid voted no in order to reconsider nom later.

    Unexpectedly!

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  36. Stones, you do understand I’m just messing with you because you take it so well, right?

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  37. DRJ,

    I think the issue with Steve Stockman is that a high information voter such as yourself may have known from the get-go that Stockman was just bluffing about actually trying to unseat Cornyn, but there are a lot of people out there who aren’t as obsessed with the daily political blogs and talk radio (such as most of us here) who ended up sending Stockman money in good faith because they want a more conservative Senator than Cornyn to represent them.

    And while there’s no shame in fighting the good fight yet ultimately losing a primary to an incumbent, I do think there’s some shame in bluffing that you’re running a campaign for Senate just to get some money.
    There’s a lot of people on tight budgets and fixed incomes who send in $20 to a candidate—and not all of those people were aware of what Stockman was doing…or not doing.

    (I admittedly had no idea he wasn’t actively campaigning.)

    We shouldn’t discount how fantastic a job the Democrat Propaganda Machine has done in convincing low information voters that tea party people are racist, fringey, weirdos, and so forth.
    Running a phantom campaign does qualify in my mind as a little dishonest and flakey, and thus, it risks fueling the Democrat Propagandist narrative.

    We conservatives always must keep in mind that the lamestream media are salivating to jump on us for the slightest wart or pimple.
    On the other hand, Robert Byrd can be a former kleagle in the klan, Teddy Kennedy can leave a woman to drown, and Barney Frank’s lover can run an escort service in their apartment, and the media won’t even blink.
    We can’t ever forget that double-standard exists.
    It isn’t fair—but c’est la vie.
    “Saturday Night Live,” Jon Stewart, David Letterman, et al, are cracking jokes about the tea party on a daily basis.
    So, we must work to actively steer the narrative about what tea party candidates and principles are all about.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  38. Gary,

    I don’t mind if you rib me. I think it’s fun. I get your humor.
    But one day you’ll seriously have to post some photos of your underground bunker.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  39. Paul Ryan: ‘I can’t believe we lost to these guys.’

    Don’t fret kid, it won’t happen again.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  40. Elephant Stone,

    Your argument sounds nice but the facts don’t bear it out. Stockman’s campaign was more like the joke when someone runs their dog on the ticket than a true campaign. He had no campaign office, ran no campaign ads, made less than a handful of public appearances, sent no notices to the media, and wasn’t soliciting campaign funds so anyone who sent him money did so because they wanted to. Further, Stockman he has zero name ID outside his home area. People who aren’t into politics didn’t even know he was running.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  41. This interest group is Stockman’s problem. If he’s done something wrong, as it appears he might have, then he should be sanctioned, fined, or whatever. That’s the remedy for violating campaign rules. The remedy isn’t preventing someone from running a campaign, no matter how stupid or senseless it may seem.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  42. ==People who aren’t into politics didn’t even know he was running.==

    DRJ, with respect, I’d suggest that the fact that he’s a congressman and that he “merited” an article at Business Insider may suggest that his fame or infamy is far wider than you suggest. (And perhaps he is less Mr. Cellophane and more capable of causing greater damage than you want to think.)

    elissa (6fe1df)

  43. DRJ–we’re both good people and well intentioned people, but clearly you and I will never be the joint founding partners of a conservative political strategy and messaging company. :)

    elissa (6fe1df)

  44. DRJ,

    In comment #14, you hypothesized that Stockman may have “…used this race and the Tea Party to retire old campaign debts.”
    Even you were under the impression he might have been doing it for money—but now you’re basically saying don’t worry about it, probably nobody sent him any money.

    I don’t know how much money (if any) he received since he announced his “candidacy” back in December, but even if it is proven that not one single nice little old lady sent him twenty bucks, the perception is still that he pulled a stunt by running a hoax campaign.

    The Cornyn camp initially took it seriously, because they apparently spent a few hundred thousand dollars in radio ads, attacking Stockman.
    It’s all kind of funny, and I’m sure Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart will have amusing times with it.
    Or something ??

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  45. I understand you completely disagree with me, elissa, and you and Elephant Stone may be right. Seeing other points of view is the fun part of discussions like this. So let’s assume your respectful disagreement is correct.

    So how would you and Elephant Stone solve the Stockman problem? Would you like the Texas GOP to prevent him from running — and if so, what would the criteria be for “acceptable” candidates and how would you exclude unacceptable ones? (The GOP also had a candidate whose legal name is SECEDE Kilgore running for governor. You can imagine his platform. Is he okay?)

    Perhaps Texas Republicans should require every conservative organization immediately discredits and attacks Stockman, not to mention SECEDE Kilgore. Or would you require that every clear-thinking conservative publicly denounce Stockman and other unacceptable candidates for their hubris in daring to sully the Republican ideal? Tell me, elissa, and Elephant Stone, where and how would you draw the line?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  46. DRJ,

    Your commentary is very helpful. I have relatives in South Texas and visit often. I am interested in Texas politics, though I find it hard to follow from afar. Thank you for your insights.

    It seems very healthy that there are multiple candidates in so many primary races. We could use more of that around here (California).

    Although the Democrats and the media rush to pillory any conservative who has a skeleton in their closet or simply misspeaks, I think voters are smart enough to see how this game is played. So there are “witches” in the GOP? Good for us! Our tent is big enough. Our problem isn’t kooks; it is connivers.

    ThOR

    ThOR (130453)

  47. If it helps any, the Texas Tea Party denounced Stockman’s “unconventional” campaign last week.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  48. FWIW, I denounce Stockman’s “conniving” — to use ThOR’s apt description — as well. Nevertheless, it doesn’t bother me to see all kinds of people run for office and I hope it never does. I hate elitism, especially in politics.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  49. Elephant Stone:

    In comment #14, you hypothesized that Stockman may have “…used this race and the Tea Party to retire old campaign debts.”
    Even you were under the impression he might have been doing it for money—but now you’re basically saying don’t worry about it, probably nobody sent him any money.

    I provided a link that said Stockman may have been using his campaign to retire old debts. I also provided links that said he collected limited campaign funds, although we don’t know about his outside interest groups. I don’t know what he was doing but if he violated any campaign finance laws, he should be sanctioned. If he didn’t, then that little old lady’s $20 is money she shouldn’t have sent to Stockman, unless she’s his grandmother.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  50. DRJ,

    What leads you to believe that elissa or I wants something to be “done” to Stockman ?
    All I’m saying is that it is not good strategy for someone who identifies with the tea party to run a hoax Senate campaign. It’s flakey.
    And that is precisely the perception that the Democrat Propaganda Machine has been portraying the tea party as.
    Why give them fuel for the fire ?
    We don’t want moderately-informed or low information voters saying, “Oh yeah, there’s a cornball tea party Republican Congressman down there in Texas who ran a hoax Senate campaign.”
    It just isn’t good for the brand name.

    As elissa has pointed out, Stockman is already a sitting member of Congress. His hoax campaign is not analogous to a person running their dog for city council, or some schizophrenic guy standing on top of a park bench, announcing that he’s running for Mayor and even paying the thirty dollars it takes to get his name on the official ballot—someone like that is not going to get very far.
    But a sitting Congressman does have a bullhorn, and a bully pulpit to an extent. And nice little old ladies on a fixed income may send him twenty bucks if they read about his Senate campaign announcement in the paper.

    Besides, doesn’t the Senate already have enough dogs and schizoids from the park ?

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  51. Seriously, there is not much the Republican party can do about preventing future Stockmans. As you say, they really can’t and shouldn’t set too many rules. What I do want is for smart and ethical people like you not to tolerate or try to explain away fraudulent campaigns–comparing it to “a joke, like someone running their dog.” This was for the U.S Senate for Pete’s sake. Why did he run if it was not to win, or alternatively not to retire debt? Why does one enter a race if they intend not to campaign? What did he gain for conservatives? For himself?

    BTW, I don’t think it was the “Republican ideal” that he sullied. Do you?

    elissa (6fe1df)

  52. they have the front man for Air America TV, a fmr mayor of Anchorage that left his city in debt to the tune of 20 million, a Marine impostor, so Stockman, is kind of too mild for that body,

    narciso (3fec35)

  53. Elephant Stone:

    What leads you to believe that elissa or I wants something to be “done” to Stockman ?
    All I’m saying is that it is not good strategy for someone who identifies with the tea party to run a hoax Senate campaign. It’s flakey.

    Okay, it’s not a good strategy, but so what? It happened so if you want to complain about it in a meaningful way, you need to propose a solution that keeps it from happening again. And it’s not like it won’t happen again. All kinds of people are attracted to politics but, let’s face it, they don’t all worry what other people think of them.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  54. Objecting to sitting Congressmen who run hoax Senate primary campaigns is not the same as objecting to having multiple candidates in a primary.

    Come on, y’all.
    Be a little more fair in interpreting what we write.

    By the way, in the 2010 New York governor’s race, people may recall Jimmy McMillen, who was running on a “Rent is Too Damn High” platform.
    He was entertaining in the televised debate, and even did some radio and tv interviews, although he did ultimately qualify for the ballot.

    But he wasn’t a sitting Congressman from my side of the aisle.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  55. elissa:

    BTW, I don’t think it was the “Republican ideal” that he sullied. Do you?

    He ran in the Republican primary, so yes.

    What I do want is for smart and ethical people like you not to tolerate or try to explain away fraudulent campaigns–comparing it to “a joke, like someone running their dog.” This was for the U.S Senate for Pete’s sake.

    Now you see the real me, the person who likes Caddyshack and Stripes far more than Groundhog Day. The person who doesn’t care if Steve Stockman wants to run for office, and thus the person I submit you don’t really respect because my opinions offend you so much. But if it helps, I want Stockman to be thoroughly investigated and hit with the most severe sanctions possible if he broke any campaign rules, because to me that’s the way to stop people like Stockman from abusing the system. Fortunately, I have every confidence that Stockman and Battleground Texas will each be investigated and sanctioned without regard to their political affiliations. If not, then that will disappoint me greatly. If so, then God bless Texas.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  56. Elephant Stone:

    Objecting to sitting Congressmen who run hoax Senate primary campaigns is not the same as objecting to having multiple candidates in a primary.

    When they sign up, they don’t tend to check the box that says it’s a hoax campaign. So you need to tell me how you would identify the hoax campaigns and what you would do about them during the campaign.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  57. One more thing: I trust my fellow Texans to make judgments about candidates. We know what SECEDE Kilgore stands for and we don’t elect him. We know what Steve Stockman stands for and we don’t elect him either. Every now and then, one gets by us but we survive because we try to keep our legislature from meeting too often and passing too many laws.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  58. DRJ,

    Well, how about the fact that they’ll be seen as a flake, and risk hurting their own political movement and party ?
    Isn’t that good enough “motivation” for someone to not replicate Stockman’s stunt ?
    I mean, what usually “stops” most rational people from doing flakey things in front of their friends, neighbors, colleagues, customers, et al—-other than the fear of being perceived as, uh, a flake ?

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  59. Wasn’t there a LaRouchie in the Democrat primary? What can the “party bosses” do if a candidate has enough signatures on his petition? These days, with the anti-indoor smoking laws, they’re not even allowed smoke-filled rooms.

    nk (dbc370)

  60. Every local Texas politician would look like a flake to you, Elephant Stone, with their big hats and boots and extravagant mannerisms and drawls. Most of the country jokes about us. We don’t care if you think we’re flakes.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  61. I know these Texican GOP intrigues can occupy us ’til Hell freezes over, which at the soonest will be next January, I’m somewhat confident.

    But, correct me if I’m wrong, the Republican battle cry thru November is “Play the pat hand”.

    About the only thing now that can blow it for the GOP in the Senate is that the GOP reverts to form.

    May I, as a sometime Fair Weather Fan, otherwise Sniper From the Cheap Seats, say that the next order of business is stopping Jeb Bush. Can I get an Amen?

    That being the case we’ve got one candidate many of us can support, Dr. Paul, Libertarian, who might charitably be forecast as Deer in the Bentley Headlights.

    Anybody got a So-Con wingman for the man? Or are you just going to trot him out there naked?

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  62. Lyndon LaRouche !

    And the fat cats sitting back there in the smoke filled rooms aren’t even allowed to be fat anymore, because Michelle’s “Let’s go run” anti-obesity campaign slimmed them down.
    And Bloomberg had taken away their Big Gulps.
    Or something.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  63. Their conmen, minions for Madoff, make policy,

    narciso (3fec35)

  64. Oh Good heavens, DRJ, you don’t have to play the “nobody likes us Texans” card.
    What Stockman did was flakey, and it has nothing to do with anyone dressing like J.R. Ewing.

    Besides, Stockman is originally from Michigan—I looked it up !

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  65. Gary, did you allude to the retired “Ron Paul.”
    Because he’s the original flake.
    But he’s from Pittsburgh.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  66. Well, what’s your point, Elephant Stone? We had two LaRouchies in Illinois who actually won the Democratic primary — one for Lieutenant Governor and the other for Secretary of State.

    Do you have an official formal denunciation form for flakes on primary ballots that we can sign?

    nk (dbc370)

  67. 66. That’s the one.

    My point is that the Republican Machine can only count on two counties in MN during the Republican caucus which same two are certainly lost to that Party in the general election.

    I don’t know how many comparable Purple states there are, but you’ll need to pick up a few even if the Red states are solid.

    Which circumstance has not obtained lately, remember?

    So if you don’t intend to stop Bush, don’t come crying around here.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  68. nk,

    I WANT Democrats to look flakey.
    But I don’t want tea party conservative Republicans to look flakey.

    LaRouche looking flakey = good
    Stockman looking flakey = bad

    Why is this strategy even controversial in some quarters ?

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  69. Hey guys,

    Let’s not forget about the Lasso from El Paso – my favorite Texas Democrat. I guess he lost again on Tuesday. Que lastima!

    Here in California we have Governor Moonbeam in his second pass through the statehouse. Who’s to say a nut can’t win or govern effectively. And if you buy the PR about Brown being a whack job, this is what he had to say just this week in voicing his opposition to the legalization of marijuana: ‘How many people can get stoned and still have a great state?’ How many, indeed?

    I meant what I said about kooks and our big tent. Purity of essence isn’t the ticket. It is a standard that the left is trying to impose on conservatives and one that we will never be able to meet (which the left understands perfectly well). Don’t fall for it.

    ThOR (130453)

  70. I’ll get together with DRJ and we’ll track down Stockman and dust the flakes off of him.

    nk (dbc370)

  71. Listen up, all you so-called Conservatives. Last time out, check the tape, you dinked aroung mouthing inanities like “The most electable candidate will win”, “I’ll vote for the most conservative candidate who can win”, etc., drivel rolls off your tongues like water into the Puget Sound.

    You made no effort to stop the inspirator of 404Care, no effort to defend decency in campaigning, no effort to fight the Democrats, you were ‘effing pathetic.

    If you can’t get it together straight away the inbred knuckledragging dupes of flakes are dropping you like the bad habit you are.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  72. ThOr #70,

    Friend, your insights are good, but did you actually think that we’re advocating in this thread for weeding out eccentric personalities from the GOP ?

    Good grief, Charlie Brown.

    All I ever do is advocate for Reagan’s Big Tent, and attempt to drag everyone to the polls on election day, despite their clenched fists, biting lips, and pinched noses.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  73. Seriously, listening to Blue state voters about who might appeal to their electorates is retarded.

    You vision(stop me b4 I get sick) is daft. Nebraska, Utah, South Carolina, Louisiana, Alabama are the states you should be looking to for leadership, for a clue to what kind of candidate can win.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  74. like water into the Puget Sound is how these words roll off your insipid tongues

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  75. Why do the common sense advocates always work for the other side, why are they perpetually financed, and always have a voice, either anonymous or in person,

    http://blog.heritage.org/2014/03/05/politico-failed-disclose-lobbying-work-heritage-foundation-critics/

    narciso (3fec35)

  76. 75. Thanx, I need an editor something awful.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  77. Dear Elephant Stone,

    The only variety of Republican I’d like to see drummed out of the party are the Etch a Sketch ilk.

    The problem is that the party apparatus and big money often seems to be behind the Etch a Sketch men. In the last election cycle, every GOP presidential candidate, save Mitt Romney (the big money candidate), was portrayed as a kook, a blighter, or a moral defective. Attempts to winnow out the wheat from the chaff will decimate our own conservative ranks. Don’t go there. As the Stockman defeat illustrates, the voters can sort this out. That’s good enough for me.

    Thank you for responding to my comment.

    ThOR

    ThOR (130453)

  78. nk asked above (#60 — 3/5/2014 @ 5:02 pm): “Wasn’t there a LaRouchie in the Democrat primary?”

    There was and still is: Kesha Rogers, with 21.03% of the vote, forced a runoff against vote leader David Alameel (48.6% of the vote) for the Democratic nomination to run against John Cornyn for the U.S. Senate. As recently as a few weeks ago, Rogers had actually been leading the Democratic field; her fairly weak second-place finish is a minor triumph for the Dem establishment in Texas, which unified in opposition to her and spent quite a bit of effort in their anti-Rogers messaging. Given that such runoffs are largely dominated by the party faithful, I’d say her chances of beating Alameel are even worse than the eventual Democratic nominee’s chances of beating Cornyn.

    FWIW I understand why many conservatives were, and are, disappointed in or concerned about John Cornyn; for reasons I’ve previously explained, I’m not, and I’m instead quite content to have both Cornyn and Ted Cruz representing Texas in the U.S. Senate. Stockman would have been a disaster, though, and even if one believes that Cornyn was ripe for a primary challenge, Stockman was emphatically not a credible choice to do that. There were a whole slew of up-and-coming Texas GOP politicians — other Congress-critters as well as holders of statewide offices — who surely gave serious thought to challenging Cornyn after watching Cruz upset Dewhurst in 2012. I presume that they all concluded, though, that such an effort was unlikely to succeed against an incumbent like Cornyn, even though it worked for Cruz over Dewhurst in the 2012 open seat.

    Beldar (8ff56a)

  79. Therein lies the bigger lesson, I recall Beck was trying to get Gohmert to run some months back,

    narciso (3fec35)

  80. 75. Thanx, I need an editor enema something awful.

    Comment by gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/5/2014 @ 6:05 pm

    FIFYgg

    Colonel Haiku (a07071)

  81. 76. Perhaps in some measure addressing 80, talking to Republicans who want to address messaging and respond to focus groups and hire the consultant team that placates or delights big donors is like being this sort of provider.

    The lady in front of you has elevated leucocyte count, a referral for fibroids, and a bad cough.

    But she’s not really interested in tests, she just wants a perky nose. And try as you might, you can’t get her off that focus, ’cause her new significant other likes his chicks perky.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  82. 81. LOL.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  83. 66. Correction, at 62. Senator.

    Sorry I was thinking Pere Paul had won half the counties of MN and Santorum the other, less the to populous.

    Thought I’d written what I then wrote.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  84. 84. Cont. In the 2012 MN caucus the GOP’s endorsed candidate was crushed by a Libertarian and a So-Con.

    I have no doubt that a lot of those people hate the GOP every bit as much as the Democrats.

    Republicans have to get over the idea that what they’re selling people will have to buy because the alternative is crap on a shingle.

    It will not happen.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  85. teh hanging curveball
    Gotta make the most of it
    right in my wheelhouse

    Colonel Haiku (a07071)

  86. Every local Texas politician would look like a flake to you, Elephant Stone, with their big hats and boots and extravagant mannerisms and drawls. Most of the country jokes about us. We don’t care if you think we’re flakes.

    Maybe the country can be convinced to let the state go.

    Patterico (e369c3)

  87. One more thing: I trust my fellow Texans to make judgments about candidates. We know what SECEDE Kilgore stands for and we don’t elect him. We know what Steve Stockman stands for and we don’t elect him either.

    To your credit.

    And you know what Ted Cruz stood for and you did elect him.

    Patterico (a36e1a)

  88. 87. ROTFL.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  89. That House of Cards?

    http://thehill.com/news/house/200063-gop-leaders-rebuked-by-12-panel-chairmen

    Call it 52 pick up.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  90. Illinois has taken steps, in its NFP Corporation Act, to allay some of Elephant Stones’s concerns, I think:

    [The organization's name]
    (6) Shall not contain the words “regular democrat,” “regular democratic,” “regular republican,” “democrat,” “democratic,” or “republican,”nor the name of any other established political party, unless consent to usage of such words or name is given to the corporation by the State central committee of such established political party; notwithstanding any other provisions of this Act, any corporation, whose name at the time this amendatory Act takes effect contains any of the words listed in this paragraph shall certify to the Secretary of State no later than January 1, 1989, that consent has been given by the State central committee; consent given to a corporation by the State central committee to use the above listed words may berevoked upon notification to the corporation and the Secretary of State;

    Is that something like you had in mind, Elephant Stones?

    nk (dbc370)

  91. Sorry, Elephant Stone. The Stone*s* was unintentional. Not enough coffee yet, I guess.

    nk (dbc370)

  92. The trouble with Christine O’Donnell is not that she is dishonest, but that she has a complex of personal problems and quirks which render her unsuitable for public life and (one suspects) any sort of employment where people skills are an important component of the job.

    She’d never married, had no children, had a spotty job history; and a history of delinquent bills, neglecting her property, and small conflicts with neighbors (over the condition of her lawn, &c). All of which suggests she is one of those people whose capacities are taxed just by getting through life. Politics have been a substitute for adult life in her case.

    What O’Donnell as a human being might have benefited from were some vocational training which would have allowed her to land and keep a back office job which did not require her to be reading people all the time, a one-bedroom or studio apartment, and a residence near one of her many siblings so they could stop by and see to the condition of her dwelling and to her mental and emotional state (as well as inquiring about whether or not crucial bills had been paid). She did not need to be in Congress.

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  93. By the way, I think Michael Castle’s career is testament to the power of inertia and name-recognition in American politics. As soon as a random someone elected to mount a vigorous campaign against him, he folds like a cheap tent. Reminds one of Richard Lugar.

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  94. The state went for several great Tea Party candidates, but not the poor ones donning the Tea label for cynical reasons. Awesome!

    It is a shame that we didn’t have a strong Tea Party alternative to Cornyn. DRJ is right that he portrayed himself as very conservative. I recall repeated radio ads about how he’s a stalwart opponent of Obama. I am sure some Texans didn’t know he, with the RINO wing, suspended the debt ceiling and gave cloture clearance to Obamacare. Texas can do better, but unfortunately in this case we fell short. Cornyn’s more like a democrat than an ally from my point of view, with policies that have hurt this country, period.

    But I agree with Beldar that Stockman would have been a disaster. We need bright, earnest, serious conservatives like Ted Cruz or Greg Abbott. We missed an important opportunity.

    Still, politics can never be perfect, and these results are largely great, with a lot of meaningful improvement. Texas shows the rest of the country how it’s done.

    Dustin (303dca)

  95. “Texas shows the rest of the country how it’s done.”

    The Red states anyway. In the Blue states we’re going to get to societal upheaval first.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  96. If Cthluthu had family, she’d be Gosnell’s girl, supplicant to the Temple of Moloch,

    narciso (3fec35)

  97. Davis seems not to have done well in the Panhandle either:

    Gary, I’m proud that Texas sees through that ridiculous candidacy.

    It’s important that Texans are proud to talk about what makes Texas works so that those coming here for a better life understand that it takes personal responsibility, freedom, and a limited government. You cannot take short cuts.

    Dustin (303dca)

  98. Dustin, it’s not because they heard the Russians had taken over Odessa?

    nk (dbc370)

  99. Elephant Stone #38:

    We conservatives always must keep in mind that the lamestream media are salivating to jump on us for the slightest wart or pimple.

    I thought about this for quite some time last night, and I think it’s the heart of my continuing disagreement with you and elissa. I don’t care if the media and the left are waiting to jump on “mistakes” because conservatism will never win playing that game. Instead, conservatives will become even more marginalized and demonized than ever.

    Conservatives will never please the media or the left. You are doomed to fail if your concern is not offending people who might be turned off by the Steve Stockmans and the Christine O’Donnells of the world. Over time, the media and the left will redefine what’s offensive so almost every GOP nominee will be viewed as a Stockman or an O’Donnell. Look at how they successfully demonized Romney in 2012. Using your approach, wouldn’t you blame Romney for talking about the 47% and thereby giving them an opening to jump “on the slightest wart or pimple”? To me, it’s ridiculous to try to play the game of Never Offend Anyone. If that’s the game, every conservative will ultimately have to walk the narrow tightrope of political correctness in everything they say, think, and do. We will become Stepford conservatives with standard-bearers like John Cornyn and Mark Kirk — both fine, well-spoken, and careful men. They aren’t offensive and they don’t say dumb things, but they about as bland and uncharismatic as politicians could be.

    I’ll take followers and politicians who are humans, warts and all. I can live with a few Steve Stockmans and Christine O’Donnells because it means there will also be a few Ted Cruzs, Ronald Reagans, and Andrew Breitbarts. You may think we can magically weed out the Stockmans and O’Donnells but I don’t see how that’s possible. Even if everyone at this website or even in the conservative blogosphere agreed the Stockmans and O’Donnells should be condemned, how would that stop them from running in elections? More important, why should any political party or group that wants to win elections work so hard to shrink its tent?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  100. nk:

    Dustin, it’s not because they heard the Russians had taken over Odessa?

    Heh. I bet the Russians would like a little of Odessa’s oil and gas, but we’d probably notice if they tried. They might be able to take Wink or No Trees before someone noticed, but good luck holding them.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  101. Now we goin’ to London, Liverpool, Italy, Paris, Egypt, Dublin, Frisco, Waco, Athens, Gouldbusk, Troy, and Miami, Moody, Beaumont, Edinburgh, Lubbock Pecos, Deadwood, Fife, del Rio, Houston, Austin, all around Dallas

    Texas is a world all of its own.

    Colonel Haiku (a07071)

  102. Haven’t read everything, but:
    Comment by Art Deco (ee8de5) — 3/6/2014 @ 6:23 am

    There is much here that I do not know enough about or understand the truth of,
    but if O’Donnell was such a lousy candidate, why did someone need to file a bogus IRS claim against her?
    And if the GOP was interested in getting a candidate elected, why did they see it as more important to fight against the conservatives of the party rather than to work with them and get a candidate more acceptable to everyone?

    As long as we let Democrat dirty tricks significantly color the public perception of a candidate, confusion will abound, no matter how flawed or perfect a candidate is.

    There is the line of reasoning that says “You have to win in order to govern”.
    I’m very familiar to that line of reasoning in various events through my life.
    I’ve always thought, and still do, that it is the wring emphasis.
    The issue should be how do you want to govern, how you plan to govern,
    then present that truthfully with as much creativity as possible to various people and groups with different concerns.
    Don’t tell people in Iowa one thing and people in San Fran something else that is different in substance.
    Stand for something, and point out to people in Iowa and San Fran how the same something is a good choice for them.
    Otherwise, if you do the “let’s keep it low key to get elected approach”, even if you get elected then you have to ask yourself how much of public support do you have to do what you want, or whether you have already compromised so much away that you can’t do what you thought you wanted to do.

    What we do need are candidates that have the clarity and skill to deflect questions are charges in a way that wins the day.

    Jesus always had people trying to trip Him and and ask trick questions, and He always was able to turn it around, not by being defensive.
    We know Jesus isn’t planning on running, but those who are might want to ask for some advice and help in this department.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  103. Dustin, it’s not because they heard the Russians had taken over Odessa?

    Maybe they have commies in Austin…

    —-

    Like DRJ I am tired of the cowardice in the face of an always offended media.

    The reality is that every candidate has something the media can turn into a scandal. Those who are being scandalized today were selected for political reasons, 90% of the time. This is particularly true during primaries when the democrats select the most pathetic nominee for the GOP. It’s all about what they cover and what they don’t. Hence all these incredibly weak nominees who still wind up being scandalized at the worst time. De Facto Democrat John Mccain and his fictitious mistress, for example. If that failed, and John Mccain wins, hey, the democrats still basically won the election since he’s basically a democrat. nice bet hedge. But it doesn’t fail and Obama wins, because one things RINOs can’t do is fight the tough political fights.

    The RINO lover’s need to not offend the media is the epitome of pointless BS political theory. You suckers gave that reelection to Obama on a silver platter when you fell for that, yet again, and it’s amazing to see this crap repeated even today. It’s a recipe for being a bullied minority party. The media IS the democrat party. I don’t really care what they say of republican candidates.

    Do you think successful democrats sit around worrying what Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are going to say about them? You think Obama sits around with his advisors talking about that? They ignore it and just make their case, unashamed, without empowering their critics. And then they win. Having a clear direction and being unashamed to point there is pretty darn central to being a leader. Fundamental Changer of America Obama is more of a leader (Albeit in the wrong direction) than a media weasel RINO who points in whatever direction is easiest, like water heading down the side of a hill.

    Dustin (303dca)

  104. This was the problem, Bill Roth was probably more moderate then most, but he staked out the tax issue, and didn’t tick off libertarians, and social conservatives, like Castle did on cap n trade, disclose act, deigning to indulge some of the many
    Democratic tantrums, the truth is, Bidem had not been significantly challenged in six terms,

    narciso (3fec35)

  105. What we do need are candidates that have the clarity and skill to deflect questions are charges in a way that wins the day.

    Yes MD. We need candidates who actually want to lead on conservative reform. When they do, they will be happy to face tough questions because those are opportunities to tell the truth they sincerely believe about this country’s problems.

    Put Ted Cruz on TV and let the democrats ask him the 100 hardest questions they can think of. We will gain supporters by the end of that program.

    Dustin (303dca)

  106. There is much here that I do not know enough about or understand the truth of,
    but if O’Donnell was such a lousy candidate, why did someone need to file a bogus IRS claim against her?

    No clue. Belt-and-braces, or sheer unpleasantness? The decay in the intramural culture of the Democratic Party during my years reading newspapers has been pretty wretched, and not just on this dimension.

    And if the GOP was interested in getting a candidate elected, why did they see it as more important to fight against the conservatives of the party rather than to work with them and get a candidate more acceptable to everyone?

    Well, the careerists feel entitled to their seats.

    With some interruptions, Michael Castle had held public office in Delaware since 1967 and Richard Lugar since 1965 (without interruption).

    Lugar’s ties to local politicians in Indiana had largely lapsed and the man appears to have been on a Capitol Hill respect high. Richard Mourdock was the true (local) establishment candidate. A man with a handsome pension due, family money, and some family property to manage who insists that he has to add another 6 years to the 36 years he has already spent in Congress is not a man who bows out gracefully.

    As for Castle, the man has always been a political temporizer with weak attachments (in contrast to Lugar) to whatever the main body of the Republican caucus was up to. Delaware usually had a split legislature during his time in politics and (by some accounts) a tendency toward ‘bipartisan’ (i.e. cartelistic) politics. He’d be the sort who would thrive in that environment. If he has any principles, I would wager they are no nearer O’Donnell’s than Coons’, and Coons’ had not taken anything away from him.

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  107. This was the problem, Bill Roth was probably more moderate then most, but he staked out the tax issue, and didn’t tick off libertarians, and social conservatives, like Castle did on cap n trade, disclose act, deigning to indulge some of the many Democratic tantrums, the truth is, Bidem had not been significantly challenged in six terms,

    Given the low bar (manifested in O’Donnell’s victory over Castle, Biden’s start in politics, and Thomas Carper’s start in politics, I suspect that the culture of the state is such that there is a usually low level of political ambition among people who might be called avocational politicians and that effective cross-party cartels tend to dissuade candidates and sabotage insurgents.

    Honestly, who was Joseph Biden? He was a mediocre local lawyer – a 29 year old associate at a firm of ordinary dimensions with a checkered academic record, no history of military service, and no history of any episodic accomplishment. There is nothing wrong with that in and of himself, but he’s not some political sooper genius and his penchant for running his mouth and saying clownish things is well known (and induced the medical editor of Fox to say that if a patient came into his office rattling on the way Biden did in once instance, he’d want a dementia work up). What he had was brazenness. The man cannot be embarrassed.

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  108. Lugar was among those that pushed for Ukraine’s disarmament, that worked out well. Reid has also been nearly impossible to dislodge, Ensign came closest, and he subsequently spoiled.

    narciso (3fec35)

  109. The media will always be leftwing. I worry more about these self-anointed true believer ideologues who promote and propagate dissension “behind the lines” in lieu of making a solid case for conservative principles. They are a menace to civil society, a roadblock to change and seem to increasingly infect public discourse and interaction.

    Colonel Haiku (624695)

  110. need to rid planet
    of all these snakes in teh grass
    what the world needs now

    Colonel Haiku (624695)

  111. The Dems have their flakes, too:

    “For Democrats, the primary was not nearly as competitive, although several races were noteworthy. The musician and humorist Kinky Friedman, who ran for governor in 2006, sought the Democratic nomination for agriculture commissioner. Advocating the legalization of marijuana, he won enough votes to find himself in a runoff”. – MANNY FERNANDEZ

    felipe (6100bc)

  112. O/T A lefty who strayed into the electrified fence and now has to do some “soul searching”

    http://www.slate.com/articles/life/family/2014/03/standardized_testing_i_opted_my_kids_out_the_schools_freaked_out_now_i_know.2.html

    felipe (6100bc)

  113. Colonel Haiku 110,

    John Boehner and you would get along great. Have you thought about a lobbyist gig in Washington?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  114. Dustin, Andrew Breitbart just read your comment at 1:27pm and is rolling over in his grave. The discussion in this whole thread has nothing whatsoever to do with “not offending the media” Do you think it did? Did anybody say we should not “offend the media”? But what we do need to do is pay attention to and urgently mitigate the media’s anti- right, pro-progressive influence as much as possible both here and across the globe. To do that we need to be smarter and more disciplined. What we need to do is focus on the public’s and voters’ perceptions of policies and candidates in both the Tea Party wing and the big tent Republican party–images that are currently being shaped for us by the media. To do all that we have to understand how media and messaging works. How we do any of it without using or engaging national media and popular culture forms is beyond me.

    You personally may not “care” what the media says” but you should, because it is they who are and have been transforming America and America’s image in the world for years. We very much need to care because they are setting the agenda both for our nation’s culture and our nation’s politics. Andrew cared. He saw. He wanted us to manage the media, to be part of the media, and even to take over the media where possible. He wanted us to be smarter in using the media to our advantage.

    elissa (6fe1df)

  115. they will lie, omit, mutilate the truth, Breitbart understood this, O’Keefe certainly does,

    narciso (3fec35)

  116. DRJ… you misread what I say. They can’t get rid of Boehner fast enough for me. I go for the positive… Rand Paul… Cruz… you truly don’t understand what I wrote.

    Colonel Haiku (5063d5)

  117. Yes, narciso they will, and O’Keefe fights them anyway.

    elissa (6fe1df)

  118. What I wrote is not limited to politicians and I most certainly wasn’t referring to – or directing it – at you, DRJ. It’s a particular mind-set I’m talking about.

    Colonel Haiku (5063d5)

  119. Right on, elissa!

    Colonel Haiku (5063d5)

  120. . The discussion in this whole thread has nothing whatsoever to do with “not offending the media” Do you think it did? Did anybody say we should not “offend the media”?

    Yes and yes. Elissa, before leveling personal attacks on me, based on the thread not being on the topic of my comment, please actually read the thread. There were comments directly on the topic.

    However, I don’t recall you getting this ugly with other people who are mentioning topics you wish to remain unaddressed. You aren’t the owner of this blog, and your rude tone isn’t necessary at all if you disagree with me.

    You personally may not “care” what the media says” but you should, because it is they who are and have been transforming America and America’s image in the world for years.

    I think the correct approach is to face it head on, and accept that the media will consider a reasonable conservative to be the bad guy. Sure, you want to present the best possible image to sell the reform needed, but you shouldn’t waste any time worrying about the media giving you friendly treatment (as Mccain often spoke of). It doesn’t work and it’s awful leadership, as the price is the very reform we need.

    Ted Cruz, for example, shows a savvy in his handling of the media that is desperately needed. Instead of avoiding the incoming attacks from RINOs and their ally democrats, he faces it with unashamed zeal for good ideas!

    , Andrew Breitbart just read your comment at 1:27pm and is rolling over in his grave.

    I didn’t always agree with Andrew, but I admired that he was fearless against media BS in exactly the way I discuss previously. Your attempt to change what I said to simply not trying to sell conservative reforms shows either a complete lack of effort in considering my views or a lack of interest in honestly discussing them.

    Andrew Breitbart also hated racism in the GOP (for example, the kind Col Haiku has so proudly displayed here in the past). He also hated lying and zealous partisanship.

    I do not dare speak for the guy, and I think it’s disgusting some RINO attempts to use his name to make arguments they cannot.

    Dustin (303dca)

  121. Colonel Haiku,

    I must have misread your comment. Are you saying John Boehner is one of the “self-anointed true believer ideologues” that you worry about? Of all the descriptions I can think of for him, that isn’t on my Top Ten list. I’m mad at him because of his attitude toward the Tea Party but even if I set that aside, Boehner has always struck me as a pragmatic politician rather than a true-believer ideologue.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  122. We win by….losing !

    Christine O’Donnell 2014 !

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  123. By the way, I didn’t take your comment as directed at me, Colonel. I thought you were talking about politicians like Cruz and other Tea Party leaders, because I don’t see the current GOP leadership (Boehner, Cantor, Ryan, etc.) as ideologues.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  124. Dustin,

    I’m gonna be a gentleman and kindly ask you not to refer to our friend Colonel Haiku as a “racist.”
    Colonel Haiku is not a racist.

    I knew Andrew Breitbart, he was an acquaintance of mine. And you, Sir, Mr. Dustin, are no Andrew Breitbart.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  125. What I wrote is not limited to politicians and I most certainly wasn’t referring to – or directing it – at you, DRJ. It’s a particular mind-set I’m talking about.

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (5063d5) — 3/6/2014 @ 4:11 pm

    She had you pegged, but that comment like the last several are simply passive aggressive remarks about me.

    I recall being angry at whoever authored all those racist remarks about me being Iranian, and asking you if you wrote them, to which you said “no”, and then Stashiu and Patterico pointed out you were lying. Since that time, I have tried to be forgiving and nice, basically tried to be the better man (that’s not very hard), but I hadn’t respected your opinion. Obviously I cannot change my nationality, and so you, a bigot with no integrity, will never admire me like you admire Mitt Romney. I made a lot of very accurate points about Romney’s record, which you always responded to with insanely personal invective.

    I noticed who criticized you for the racism and who didn’t, and give respect as it’s been earned (and hasn’t).

    Dustin (303dca)

  126. I also don’t want to speak for Andrew Breitbart but his best friend says Breitbart did not envision using the liberal media to advance conservative causes. That’s why he supported conservative media and established the Breitbart websites:

    Solov said he wanted to be an entrepreneur, make a difference in the world, and get an opportunity to “participate in the exchange of ideas.” He said the “clincher” was the chance to work with his best friend for what he had hoped would be a lot longer period of time. He emphasized that he would “always cherish having made that decision” to start up Breitbart News with his late friend.

    Solov and Bannon discussed how Breitbart had “national and global aspirations” and wanted the “Breitbart point of view and angle of attack” to be present all over the world. He wanted the site to be a “a voice for the voiceless” around the world because, as Solov said, “Andrew was concerned with liberty and freedom” and the biases in the media, academia, and Hollywood that put “conservatives on an uneven playing field.”

    Solov said that Breitbart wanted to “carve out a space where conservatives, wherever they are, could be conservatives free of being accused of being racist, sexist, homophobic,” or anything else that is used to “silence their legitimate point of view.”

    This doesn’t sound like someone who wanted to manage the liberal media. It sounds like someone who wanted to compete with the liberal media.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  127. Colonel Haiku,

    Was your comment 110 describing Dustin?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  128. it’s kind of amusing, because you will find no great support for the tea party, not only in Buckley’s flagship, but in the News Corp umbrella, generally speaking,

    narciso (3fec35)

  129. I’m gonna be a gentleman and kindly ask you not to refer to our friend Colonel Haiku as a “racist.”
    Colonel Haiku is not a racist.

    I don’t think you saw the thread where he actually boasted that he didn’t care if the comments he wrote (then denied writing) made him a bigot, but he wasn’t sorry.

    Yes, Col Haiku is a total racist. I have let it go for quite a while, but that was my choice, based on Haiku promising to improve the tone of his comments, which is a promise I believe he has not kept.

    I have never claimed to be ‘Andrew Breitbart’. It is you and Elissa who are attempting to speak for him. As someone who actually did interact with him and respected him even when I disagreed with him, please stop trying to use his name as some kind of argument. You do not get to speak for him.

    Dustin (303dca)

  130. ‘Macho Grande’ I mean Delaware, was always a proxy for the event in 2010, this was even more true in California, where the laws of gravity don’t apply,

    narciso (3fec35)

  131. =The RINO lover’s need to not offend the media is the epitome of pointless BS political theory. You suckers gave that reelection to Obama on a silver platter when you fell for that, yet again, and it’s amazing to see this crap repeated even today. It’s a recipe for being a bullied minority party. The media IS the democrat party. I don’t really care what they say of republican candidates.Comment by Dustin (303dca) — 3/6/2014 @ 1:27 pm==

    Dustin please calm down. Did you not write the paragraph above? Any “attack” you perceive upon yourself was merely my reply comment addressing this quote and other parts of your comment which I believe not only unnecessarily insulted bunches of people but considerably misinterpreted the discussion on this thread. What part did I misread or not consider?

    I’m going out for the evening so please be aware if I’m not responding to further input on this thread.

    elissa (6fe1df)

  132. Well elissa, I wasn’t merely referring to strictly political things, ask George Zimmerman, what he could have done not to become an unperson, I guess get his skull bashed into the concrete,

    narciso (3fec35)

  133. Well, you can’t like everyone and everything. People are different, with different tastes, views, and sensibilities. One man’s Mede is another man’s Persian.

    nk (dbc370)

  134. Dustin,

    Buddy, I am not familiar with the particular episode that you accuse Colonel Haiku of, but you do have a history of issuing invective toward other commenters whom you have disagreements with—and I’m referring to people with whom you probably agree with on policy issues 97% of the time, such as me, Colonel Haiku, daleyrocks, et al.
    Several months ago, there was one particular episode when you accused me of having had a disagreement with you. I believe it was about Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe, of Maine.
    Long time commenter daleyrocks actually stepped up and said, “No, Dustin, you didn’t have that argument with Elephant Stone—you had it with ME.”

    Yet you still wouldn’t back down from continuing to mock me for an episode even though someone else literally claimed to be the person you had initially argued with.

    You also have a history of calling a number of us “closet liberals” and “Democrats.”
    You may continue to play the “purity” card against us if you wish, but please don’t whine and complain if we respond by throwing a little snark back in your direction.

    Let’s keep in mind that the real enemy is The Left and Barack Obama—not other fellow right wingers.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  135. Did you not write the paragraph above?

    I did, in response to previous comments discussing whether how the GOP should be concerned about a hostile media. I see no problem with that paragraph. Maybe it’s a bit over the top. I actually was holding back a bit!

    You said

    The discussion in this whole thread has nothing whatsoever to do with “not offending the media”

    Which I pointed out was untrue. There are quite a few comments in this thread discussing whether what the appropriate way to react to a hostile media would be. Including your comments now. That Stockman is one of those candidates the media will easily criticize is an interesting thing to discuss… actually it’s the only part of this thread that I find productive going forward. I disagree with Elephant Stone on basically everything, but I think he was right to bring this up. I think it’s good that you are discussing it too. That discussion is better with my contrary opinion to yours, not worse.

    Your attempt to use Andrew Breitbart to say something he never said or would say really irritated me, Elissa. I would really appreciate it if you didn’t speak for deceased heroes of the right to attempt to give your arguments credibility. I know you get upset when I used the expression “rino” or criticize rinos, but it’s simply language. I guess you were reacting to that when you said that, but you don’t need to. Words needs to exist to convey these ideas. RINO is, for better or worse, a word that we all understand and will be used in these conversations. Yes, Elissa, I have a problem with people who run on one set of conservative policies, and then vote or lead in a contrary manner. And yes, I did call those folks suckers if they thought the media was somehow well managed with their selection of Mccain or Romney over other candidates, as every single one of those candidates would be scandalized somehow. That is an insult, sure, but it’s not nearly as harsh as the bitter reality that Obama was indeed reelected. Especially to pure partisans!

    Elissa you ask me a paragraph of questions and then remark you’re leaving (so you were simply ranting rather than discussing). I have absolutely no problem with that. Rant away! Speak your mind passionately. We live in times that call for such!

    I will also indulge in the same.

    Do you feel my remarks apply to you? If they do, then yes, I mean it when I say such people handed Obama his reelection. You can explain how you believe I’m wrong, but indeed Obama beat the RINO’s favored nominee, so that will be a very difficult argument to make, especially given the sour economy and Obama’s poor approval.

    The media is indeed a very, very powerful resource for the left. Elissa is 100% correct about that, and if my comment read like an appeal to not combat that resource then I should have been more clear. I would instead stand up to the media, build better ways of reaching the masses and places we can discuss and develop those arguments and ideas that are given no space on the MSM. I am disappointed that Breitbart.com hasn’t done as well with this as initially envisioned, but it’s not an easy thing to do, and at least they are trying.

    Dustin (303dca)

  136. Dustin,

    Your problem is that you don’t listen to what people say, and so then you inherently end up mischaracterizing what people say.

    You and I (and elissa and Colonel Haiku) probably agree on 99% of policy issues, yet you are so oblivious to that fact, that you convince yourself that you and I don’t agree on anything.

    I don’t get it, but for whatever reason, you and DRJ and a few others simply do not delineate between policy differences and strategy differences.
    elissa and Colonel Haiku are excellent contributors to this blog, and your dismissal of them is indicative that you see a glass 1% empty rather than a glass that is 99% full.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  137. what is the strategy, while they burn the house down, and scatter the ashes, catering to those whose attentions span is that of ‘a ferret on double expresso’ did not the last campaign, teach the folly of that,

    narciso (3fec35)

  138. Well, you can’t like everyone and everything. People are different, with different tastes, views, and sensibilities. One man’s Mede is another man’s Persian.

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 3/6/2014

    Too true. Good discussions are going to have disagreements.

    Several months ago, there was one particular episode when you accused me of having had a disagreement with you. I believe it was about Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe, of Maine.

    No, that’s not right. I said I seem to recall you supporting Sen. Snowe as an example of someone supporting a RINO due to partisanship. You called me a liar, but then explained that you do actually support Sen Snowe over a democrat.

    My recollection was correct. I don’t recall daleyrocks saying the conversation was really about him, and it wasn’t. He isn’t an authority on what I’m talking about.

    Buddy, I am not familiar with the particular episode that you accuse Colonel Haiku of

    Well, I don’t hold that against you, but you do not know what you’re talking about when you say he’s not a racist. I have been patient with him, and I don’t feel like being patient with him today. If he was appreciative of my not calling him out on this, he had a really stupid way of showing that.

    You also have a history of calling a number of us “closet liberals” and “Democrats.”

    Kinda sorta. There’s a distinction, but I’ve already explained it as well as I can. I doubt the problem is your reading… I don’t think I write as clearly on this subject. I am quite zealous!

    Let’s keep in mind that the real enemy is The Left and Barack Obama—not other fellow right wingers.

    I disagree. I have a particular hatred of liars and racists. I would absolutely elect an honest democrat over a weasel Republican or some bigot. Reform and policy are very important, but they aren’t the most important things to me. Character is more important.

    Also, the left and Obama are not really my enemy. Obama is my president, whom I oppose on political matters, but I know what an enemy is and I don’t rate our elected president as one. I do not see the left as enemies. I see them as very misguided, but if they have a flat tire, I’ll pull over for them, and in most cases, they will do so for me.

    I would like to dial it down a bit, though. At least you are trying to have the conversation with me on this point.

    Please, Elephant Stone, defend partisanship. Let’s have the argument. I personally think partisanship, in and of itself, is a terrible idea that has really damaged, among other things, your political party. Partisan loyalty is a concept that the relieves pressure on office holders to keep their promises. Unfortunately politicians are particularly unwise to trust. They need that pressure.

    As evidence I point towards the aftermath of the Ross Perot defections of many GOP voters, AKA the Contract with America.

    Dustin (303dca)

  139. A decent piece, but it leaves out the fact, the FEC complaint was found to be without merit;

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/5/christine-odonnell-eager-to-re-engage-in-political/?page=2

    ironic, since it was the subject of so much parsing here;

    narciso (3fec35)

  140. You and I (and elissa and Colonel Haiku) probably agree on 99% of policy issues,

    I think that when RINOs say they agree with me on 99% of matters they are trying to trick me. You don’t have a record in office, but I’m not really talking about you. I’m talking about Senator Cornyn or Mitt Romney. I ignore what they say in their commercials and look at their actual records.

    If you think Romney is an ideal candidate, we really do not agree on politics.

    Trust me, it’s not a big deal that we don’t agree on politics, but we don’t.

    Dustin (303dca)

  141. Good Lord, go out for a delicious meal and come back to see this? Dustin… seriously, is what I described the way you view yourself? You may piss some folks off on occasion – me, included – but what I wrote was not about you. Where do you get that? I made an apology for the “prawn of Arab loins” (stolen from the movie “Yellowbeard”) comment made probably over two years ago, why must you go on about it? You’re not even of Arab lineage, for cryin’ out loud.

    As ES says (and as I wrote the last time we saw this kind of stuff) we agree on much more than we disagree about. Let’s ALL work together, not be at odds with one another.

    Colonel Haiku (5063d5)

  142. btw, E Stone, those comments of yours where you use a lot of “you” and “i” are not interesting to me. I’m not here to talk about you or me. I’m here to discuss something a little bigger than you or me.

    I don’t see the point in promising you are a 99% conservative before explaining this is why we should do something. It sounds like a trick to me, even if it’s not. Just argue your point and don’t even worry about your politics grade. I doubt I’m even a 50% republican. I’m not concerned with that and you shouldn’t be either.

    Dustin (303dca)

  143. Politics? You guys don’t know politics. I’m back in my old Chicago neighborhood, and who needs House of Cards when you have house of Mell?

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/marin/24883769-452/blago-mell-and-legacy-elections.html

    It’s a contested (honest to goodness) Democratic primary race for a State legislature seat. It’s worth the three minutes for political junkies.

    PS. The plot is even more Byzantine than the article makes out. Nancy is the SEIU candidate.

    nk (dbc370)

  144. Dustin,

    You really need a vacation, bud.
    A martini, some hula girls, and maybe a dose of reality.
    Your recollection of past grievances sometimes sounds a little bit cloudy.

    Obama is the one trying to trick you—not me, not Colonel, not elissa, and not daleyrocks.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  145. a ferret on double expresso’
    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 3/6/2014 @ 6:34 pm

    Ya’ got a video of that???

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 3/6/2014 @ 6:40 pm

    You know, if she was a Wiccan she would probably get better press coverage…

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  146. #122… DRJ… no, obviously Boehner is no ideologue, nor are Cantor, Ryan, etc. I’m talking about a mind-set where an individual insists that it must be 100% purity, which said person defines as being his or her views/principles/ prescriptions… Their way or the highway, no room for even the slightest accommodation for another’s POV, it must be this way or eff you, get out of here. That approach alienates people, does not have the desired affect and, as time grows short, will cost this nation dearly. One can see this attitude on display at several other blogs. It is disheartening and will only lead to defeat… IMHO.

    Colonel Haiku (5063d5)

  147. ES… thank you, my friend.

    Colonel Haiku (5063d5)

  148. and not daleyrocks.

    Speaking of which, I don’t think I’ve seen him recently. Is he OK, or just out with an extended boy scout camp, or did I just miss him?

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  149. It was a Dennis Miller line from the 90s, the piece leaves out the context of that statement, she came to Christ from that experience, maybe she was too earnest, too naive, but weren’t we all back then,

    narciso (3fec35)

  150. You know, if she was a Wiccan she would probably get better press coverage…

    She’s an Evangelical Catholic, isn’t that the same thing? — The Media

    nk (dbc370)

  151. in the bearded spock universe, the opposite is true,

    narciso (3fec35)

  152. I was asking the same about Daley the other day, MD. MIA… and I hope he’s getting some!

    Colonel Haiku (5063d5)

  153. You’re not even of Arab lineage, for cryin’ out loud.

    I am, partly. Not that it’s any of your business. You made a lot of comments referencing my heritage, not just one.

    You may piss some folks off on occasion

    Oh, a little more than on occasion. They tend to have one thing in common: a lack of integrity.

    If you didn’t think your comment was awful, why did you lie about authoring it? You’re a good liar, and I believed you until you were called out by the mods. You then boasted you didn’t care if you’re a bigot, you aren’t sorry. Remember that? I do. Now you suggest you weren’t being a bigot. You’re still a good liar. That comment was normal enough to fool some people, I’m sure.

    we agree on much more than we disagree about. Let’s ALL work together, not be at odds with one another.

    In 110 you were speaking of me. I know you’ll deny it, because hey, liars gonna lie, but yeah, you don’t think we’re on the same side at all. And you’re right.

    Dustin (303dca)

  154. Dustin,

    You really need a vacation, bud.
    A martini, some hula girls, and maybe a dose of reality.
    Your recollection of past grievances sometimes sounds a little bit cloudy.

    Obama is the one trying to trick you—not me, not Colonel, not elissa, and not daleyrocks.

    Comment by Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 3/6/2014 @ 6:51 pm

    E Stone, you’ve offered a lot of passive aggressive insults, and apparently you feel a deep need to defend your racist internet buddy, but I asked you to discuss the actual merits of partisanship, which you were arguing for.

    Waving the merits of that argument away while saying ‘oh, you’re just a nut’ comes across as patronizing and childish.

    If you can’t back up your argument, then I guess you didn’t really have one. If you change your mind, please feel free to make an argument.

    Dustin (303dca)

  155. Dustin… don’t let your imagination take you to these dark places. You’re a better man than that. Have a good night.

    Colonel Haiku (5063d5)

  156. These are always so fun to read.

    JD (65810e)

  157. i thought Mr. dustin was a lebanese syrian alsatian blue

    i’m sure it’s in my notes somewheres

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  158. Things used to be on a more even keel… what a gracious fellow!

    Dustin (@Dust92) tweeted at 6:13pm – 4 Aug 13:

    Follow this guy -> @ColonelHaiku One of the wittiest guys I’ve ever come across online. (https://twitter.com/Dust92/status/364192467794403328)

    Colonel Haiku (5063d5)

  159. i got braces today

    on my teefs!

    i’m now available for magazine covers whoa bout the same time we get a new president and flush the food stamp whore one

    maybe a lil sooner

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  160. Feets… You get to wear teh funky attachment thing at night when you sleep?

    Colonel Haiku (5063d5)

  161. Mr. dustin is indeed very gracious Mr. Colonel

    you know who else is exceedingly gracious is that Jennifer Lawrence

    I hope she never switchers to being a self-important socialist whore obamaslut like how Reese Witherspoon did

    but that’s probably selfish of me

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  162. funky attachment thing?

    nonono

    i just wear my invisalign tray thingers intensively for 18 mos

    then i wear a retainer

    til I DIE dead not unlike Kurt Cobain and Lucille Ball

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  163. Strive for unlike Kurt and like Lucille, happyfeet. Hers was a nicer shade of red for hair.

    nk (dbc370)

  164. That was cold, nk!

    Colonel Haiku (5063d5)

  165. No, Katniss will not turn to the dark side, frankly after the second Elle film, it was assured.

    narciso (3fec35)

  166. 23. “Elections are about winning”

    The last 2 presidential elections suggest your pragmatic approach is less than effective.

    JD (65810e)

  167. Lucille was financially savvy and not a very nice person is what I heard

    but she was beautiful

    and you can see how savvy she was in how she knew that wasn’t her golden ticket

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  168. Elephant Stone, earlier:

    All I’m saying is that it is not good strategy for someone who identifies with the tea party to run a hoax Senate campaign. It’s flakey.

    And recently:

    I don’t get it, but for whatever reason, you and DRJ and a few others simply do not delineate between policy differences and strategy differences.

    I think I get the difference between strategy and policy. For instance, I get that you don’t like Stockman’s strategy, but I’ve said repeatedly there’s nothing we can realistically do to prevent candidates like Stockman from running. Thus, my strategy is to deal with reality instead of wishing for something that isn’t going to happen and that I can’t make happen. My policy is to assume other voters will, too.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  169. Congrats on the braces, hf. I hope they don’t hurt.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  170. thank you!

    they’re very sneaky how they do it DRJ

    they graft these attachers on your teeth

    …so you’re actually more uncomfortable if you take the braces off

    (it’s gonna be a long 18 mos)

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  171. They are sneaky, hf. My family and I are very obedient about following rules, especially in medical areas. Our oldest son’s orthodontist gave strict instructions to never, ever take off the bands (do they still use those?) — even when eating. So our son didn’t take off his bands and his teeth hurt so much that he couldn’t eat and lost 10 pounds over 2 weeks. He was slim and it was endangering his health, so I called the orthodontist and asked if our son could eat without bands. The response was absolutely, and they added that no one ever followed that rule. We weren’t very happy with that orthodontist for a long time, but we forgave him when the braces came off. That is a very good day. I hope your 18 months go quickly.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  172. I saw this Columbo show once where Peter Falk caught Patrick McGoohan by a bitemark he left on a piece of cheese at the murder scene. One more disadvantage of having unstraightened teeth.

    nk (dbc370)

  173. ==I get that you don’t like Stockman’s strategy,==

    DRJ– I thought that one of the very few things that pretty much everyone on the thread agreed on last night was that Stockman did not have a strategy or if he had one no one could figure out or explain what it was. Is that one moment of sweet agreement gone now too?

    elissa (6fe1df)

  174. i’ll make you some salt water taffy mr feets…

    is carnitas flavor okay, or will you insist on tocino?

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  175. I don’t know what Stockman’s strategy was, elissa. I was quoting Elephant Stone who objected to Stockman’s possible strategy to take money to retire campaign debt. As I mentioned in an earlier comment, it’s possible that wasn’t Stockman’s goal but that doesn’t stop us from discussing it hypothetically or from speculating about what should be done if that were Stockman’s strategy.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  176. and feets… stay away from teh Jujubes.

    Colonel Haiku (5063d5)

  177. If it makes you happier, elissa, please amend my statement to read “I get that you don’t like Stockman’s possible strategy …”

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  178. The big surprise to me from the Texas primaries was the extent by which challenger Dan Patrick led incumbent David Dewhurst.

    Recall that Dewhurst led Ted Cruz in the 2012 GOP primary to succeed Kay Bailey Hutchison, but not by a sufficient margin to win without a runoff. Cruz’ momentum, and the lower turnout in the runoff with its higher relative percentage of high-information voters, enabled him to defeat Dewhurst handily.

    I figured that scenario might repeat itself, which I thought might bode ill for Dewhurst’s chances again if one of his challengers could force him into another runoff. But I was frankly surprised that Dewhurst ran far behind Patrick; and I’m fairly sure that for purposes of this runoff, he is already toast: Patrick may win this runoff by a bigger margin than Cruz did in 2012.

    It’s certainly not because Dewhurst moved to the left since 2012. To the contrary, he did everything he possibly could to wrap himself in a more-conservative-than-thou mantle.

    But I think that in the 2012 campaign against Cruz, Dewhurst seriously angered a lot of folks who may then only have been slight Ted Cruz fans, but are now very enthusiastic Ted Cruz fans. I thought back in 2012 that in his campaign against Cruz, Dewhurst was losing his cool and hitting below the belt. And now I’m thinking a lot of other folks who, like me, had happily voted for Dewhurst in many previous elections and been generally satisfied with his performance as a long-time lieutenant governor, were really turned off by his tangle with Cruz.

    In short, I think Ted Cruz — even though he was nowhere on this past week’s primary ballot — nevertheless had a great deal to do with Dewhurst’s disastrously poor showing.

    I’m curious whether other observers of Texas politics here agree with that, and I’m also curious what y’all think explains why Patrick did so much better than any of his other competitors against Dewhurst this week.

    Beldar (8ff56a)

  179. Beldar:

    I’m curious whether other observers of Texas politics here agree with that, and I’m also curious what y’all think explains why Patrick did so much better than any of his other competitors against Dewhurst this week.

    I completely agree Dewhurst is toast. I think he was damaged by the Cruz campaign but that his overwhelming adoption of every issue Cruz supported in the Senate race confirmed Dewhurst is a hypocrite. I don’t think Texans like to vote for hypocrites and that’s why he’s toast now.

    As for Patrick, he spent a lot of time lobbying Tea Party groups for support, and he won several/most of the Tea Party straw polls by overwhelming margins. That resulted in grass-roots, door-knocking efforts that work well to turn out the vote. The reason I credit those straw polls with making a difference is it’s at that time that Jerry Patterson went negative in his ads and specifically targeted Patrick. It told me that the internal polls showed Patrick pulling out to a lead.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  180. i’m not sure about the bands but i can see how you can lose weight really fast

    in which case I’ll be more than getting my money’s worth I guess

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  181. To me, this is Dewhurst’s biggest problem:

    ewhurst-supporter Jesse Hamilton, a lawyer from Houston, said he felt Dewhurst has changed over the course of the campaign.

    “I liked that he was a moderate,” Hamilton said. “Now, he’s become more conservative, and I’m not really sure why.”

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  182. Try to adjust gradually, happyfeet. Take it a day at a time and ask the orthodontist for ideas to make it easier if you have a hard time. They have some good ideas.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  183. Mr. red my goal this week is to find that recipe for the low-fat low-cal chockit mousse you find at parties sometimes

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  184. i’ll try DRJ but the process is made easier cause of how

    here’s the deal

    after these braces come off… I’m out of here

    I’m gonna move back to America

    so I’m bent on enjoying the time I have left and having adventures and seeing and doing everything I wouldn’t normally do

    it’s kind of exciting, if a bit painful orally

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  185. That does make it easier, happyfeet. I hope you have great adventures until it’s time to come home.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  186. 182. Now I think here we have a recipe for success in a lot of Congressional districts.

    I was very impressed that our state Assemblyman stopped by the house to talk to the wife and I.

    Certainly volunteers could find similar propitious circumstance.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  187. :)

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  188. As a Texan who watched the primary races, I do have a few opinions.

    I have no idea why Steve Stockman decided to challenge Cornyn except for name recognition in the future. He is unelectable outside of East Texas.

    I do not like Patrick or Dewhurst. Patrick strikes me as a know-it-all prick who pushes his finger into the wind to see which way it is blowing.

    From what I know, Dewhurst is an OK guy until he gets a little tipsy and phones police departments to get a near relative out of jail. He also let Wendy Davis become some sort of hero to the uninformed.

    The right needs to get over the idea that whoever says the right words is all that and start looking for people who can follow through.

    By that I mean, there is a world of difference between Ted Cruz and Steve Stockman.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  189. 147. I don’t have an hypothesis why the members of your clique are unable to see that ‘having your cake and eating’ is infeasible.

    It seems such a simple concept and clearly you’re all of above average intellect.

    Nonetheless, edification has proven fruitless.

    Partisans can’t learn.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  190. so I’m bent on enjoying the time I have left and having adventures and seeing and doing everything I wouldn’t normally do

    which means, of course, you’re going to have to break down and meet for tacos, etc…

    while we still live near each other. ;-)

    if nothing else, it’ll give you another good reason to leave Failifornia!

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  191. 191. Plainly, from up here in MN, I don’t really know why or how this Stockman came to taking a dive. Obviously there’s a payback.

    But in a sense it is illustrative of the GOP nationwide. Opting for the status quo, or a little better, is a good way to lose what you have.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  192. 193: and now you know why so many of us refer to the RNC/GOP/Beltway “leadersh1t” as “The Party of Stupid”…

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  193. t. And now I’m thinking a lot of other folks who, like me, had happily voted for Dewhurst in many previous elections and been generally satisfied with his performance as a long-time lieutenant governor, were really turned off by his tangle with Cruz.

    Honestly I was pretty disappointed with his performance on the TSA issue that came up a few years ago and generally on some legislation. Some of the problem is Texas’s committees, which are often led by very moderate republicans thanks to an alliance between they and the remaining democrats in the state. Thus too many good bills just die in committee.

    Like many, I think, I have lost my patience with the GOP, particularly when they start trashing conservatives. It seems to me that our partisan loyalty has been assumed by folks who occasionally betray their complete lack of loyalty to conservatism or conservative voters. After a while it’s become a sore spot!

    You know, in all honesty Dewhurst isn’t that bad. Better than most states could hope for their LT Governor both in experience and politics. But if we can do better, great. And if we can send a message to the establishment, I think that’s awesome. The bar is definitely being raised on what gets our votes.

    Mr. dustin is indeed very gracious Mr. Colonel

    Not as much as I used to be or probably should be, but in that case far more than I wish I was. I’ve seen these country club college republican bigots a few times before. Their silly certainty of how enormous the difference is between a beltway favorite and a democrat is one thing, but the sneering at those conservatives who leave the plantation is another thing, full of various dumb stereotypes, ugliness, but never any serious argument.

    I’ve asked repeatedly for a thoughtful discussion of why partisan loyalty is a good thing. It appears to be ticking off more voters than it’s attracting, so we can’t say electoral strategy makes sense. It also creates a terrible incentive structure for politicians to more safely betray their base. I haven’t gotten a good response, but I have been dismissed with a ‘you’re just a nut’. OK, but I’m a nut who skipped a lot of votes in the last primary and will always skip the vote if I don’t see a candidate I actually support. And I’m not alone on that. If the GOP’s most loyal think they can build a bridge on hate and sneering because they have built whoever the democrat is into the ultimate boogey man, they are mistaken.

    Dustin (f5d273)

  194. From what I know, Dewhurst is an OK guy until he gets a little tipsy and phones police departments to get a near relative out of jail.

    LOL. You know, that isn’t wrong either.

    I was not pleased with some of his stuff, but he isn’t terrible.

    Dustin (f5d273)

  195. If the GOP’s most loyal think they can build a bridge on hate and sneering because they have built whoever the democrat is into the ultimate boogey man, they are mistaken.

    yup… what he said. when the GOP favorite is just a different shade of the same paint sample card, i’m not going to choose between two different colors i don’t like and don’t want to live with.

    the fact that one will only stab me in the back a few times instead of every time is not what i would call a compelling inducement to support someone.

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  196. Opting for the status quo, or a little better, is a good way to lose what you have.

    Comment by gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/6/2014

    It is totally insane. They build up the democrat’s policies into Enormous Crises. It’s usually basically right, I’ll grant, though in this case it feels utterly cynical. Like what they say about Obamacare, or Obama’s surveillance or use of drones, or his running deficits every year. Huge problems, yes. Intrusions on our freedom, a too large government, and a certain need for real reform.

    And then they act like a slight reduction in those Enormous Crises is excellent leadership.

    “OMG OMG we’re heading right for that cliff at 100 mph! Let me drive!!!”

    /drives right for the cliff at 90 mph

    Does it help for the GOP to suck the oxygen out of the ‘stop driving towards the cliff’ movement?

    Dustin (f5d273)

  197. the fact that one will only stab me in the back a few times instead of every time is not what i would call a compelling inducement to support someone.

    Comment by redc1c4 (abd49e) — 3/7/2014

    You’ll die more slowly! What are you stupid??!?!?!!!?!?!

    Dustin (f5d273)

  198. You’ll die more slowly! What are you stupid??!?!?!!!?!?!

    no silly, of course not.

    that way i’ll have time to shoot & kill the bastages first.

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  199. Touche’ Touche’

    Dustin (f5d273)

  200. 196. ” It seems to me that our partisan loyalty has been assumed by folks who occasionally betray their complete lack of loyalty to conservatism or conservative voters. ”

    Unexpectedly!

    And what is so baffling is–there is no obvious payoff, certainly none that is confessed.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  201. 199. Damn, that’s good, I’m jealous.

    “Does it help for the GOP to suck the oxygen out of the ‘stop driving towards the cliff’ movement?”

    Thought provoking.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  202. 201. I’m secretly looking forward to the day.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  203. mad belly dancer
    they’ve appropriated vote
    dance li’l sister dance

    ColonelHaiku (03d049)

  204. do not fall victim
    to desiccated vision
    of what is “The Right”

    Colonel Haiku (624695)

  205. The poodle bites
    and teh poodle chews on it
    not a speck of fluff

    Colonel Haiku (624695)

  206. She’s an Evangelical Catholic, isn’t that the same thing? — The Media
    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 3/6/2014 @ 7:08 pm

    Au contrare’, nk.
    Madison, WI newspapers will show pictures of Wiccans celebrating the Winter Solstice on the front page,
    but you need to try much harder to find anything about evangelical Catholics back on the religion page.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  207. Rick Perry is giving a good speech at CPAC.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  208. The straw poll results should be interesting. There’s a lot of talent at CPAC this year.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  209. did he wear glasses?
    raises his IQ level
    past one hundred mark

    Colonel Haiku (624695)

  210. perry few fries short
    of happiest meal evah
    needs more oxygen

    Colonel Haiku (624695)

  211. Y’all can talk around it all you want but this is what we conservatives face. Here is is the reality on the ground. Here is the mountain to climb. Here is who our candidates must increasingly reach and attract. Here is is why candidates running for national and statewide offices usually have a harder time–they have a larger and more varied constituency to initially win over, (and a greater number of issues to consider and to represent once they get there) than candidates running in finite districts and homogeneous sections of states. Here is how crackpots in one state can and do negatively affect their right leaning breatheran who are running elsewhere. Pew:

    Members of the huge millennial generation are less religious, less likely to call themselves “patriotic” and significantly more‎ liberal than older generations, new research shows.The liberal views of the youngest adult generation show up on a range of issues. Nearly seven in 10 say they support same-sex marriage, for example, just more than half identify themselves as “supporters of gay rights” and they are twice as likely to see gay and lesbian couples raising children as a good thing for the country than as a negative, which puts them at odds with older generations. They are also far more likely to favor legalization of marijuana. Opinions on abortion and gun control, by contrast, show little generational difference.

    Just more than half of millennials say they favor a “bigger government providing more services” rather than a smaller government – a polling question used for years as an index of people’s attitudes toward government’s role.

    On the question of the role of government, the much greater racial diversity of the millennial generation plays a key role. About four-in-10 members of the millennial generation are non-white – a much larger percentage than in older age groups. Their generally liberal views shape the generation’s outlook although whites in the millennial generation also hold somewhat more liberal views on government than white members of older generations.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/la-pn-millennials-liberal-views-pew-poll-20140306,0,142685.story

    elissa (271642)

  212. Nobody talks around that problem, elissa. Mark and I talk about that all the time — that America has changed and it isn’t conservative anymore. When we do that, you act like we’re terrible pessimists but when you do it, it’s a realistic insight that only you see.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  213. Nobody talks around that problem, elissa. Mark and I talk about that all the time — that America has changed and it isn’t conservative anymore. When we do it, you act like we’re terrible pessimists. When you do it, it’s a realistic insight that only you and your fellow blue state commenters see.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  214. Sorry for the double post.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  215. “Nobody talks around that problem…”?

    Sure they do. They often contend that “the answer”,i.e. victory will be found in not committing the grievous errors of 2008 and 2012, when what many of them term squishy RINOs went thru the primary process and were nominated to run. In theory, if that scenario were avoided, the Magic Candidate would appear on the scene, said candidate would dazzle all with an never before seen eloquence, certain victory would be within reach and all would be well.

    Colonel Haiku (624695)

  216. This candidate just needs to be coaxed out of hibernation or descend from the heavens. Or something.

    Colonel Haiku (624695)

  217. What I’ve said is that the answer isn’t to repeat what didn’t work before. I stand by that.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  218. The reality is that Obama has created a lot of this discontent and belief in government as the answer by his systematic undermining of our economy. The GOP’s base is the middle class and he is destroying the middle class. His base are the poor, who desperately need government as their economic back-up. More and more people are falling into or near poverty levels under Obama, especially among the young.

    It’s not a coincidence that Obama’s lies are directed at the middle class — such as reassuring them that they keep their doctors and insurance policies. The middle class don’t get much support from government and that’s why Obama needed to reassure them they wouldn’t lose under his Administration. Those reassurances were lies.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  219. It’s going to be hard to convince people to vote for opportunity when they aren’t sure where their next meal is coming from. No matter how much the GOP tries to reassure people that they will help them, they can never do it better than Democrats. People, especially the young and the poor, need government because they have no realistic economic opportunities. They will never believe that Republicans will help them as much as the Democrats because, unlike the Democrats, the Republicans aren’t willing to bankrupt the government to provide entitlements.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  220. On the plus side, however, I still believe most Americans want to work, provide for themselves, and try to get ahead. I think a conservative politician who can convincingly argue they will have a chance at that kind of life could bring in votes from the middle class, the working class, Hispanics, and the young.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  221. 214, 218. Oh, come, come. Nearly 50 percent of the electorate is not voting for our Nation’s president.

    The enemy temporarily alters the voting habits of 5% and you covet them obsessively.

    Hispanics don’t vote, but like entitlements so you fall all over yourself trying to get on the bandwagon of those who intend to rebrand the Party and attract some segment of that demographic.

    Which one doesn’t matter. If they’re So-Con Catholics who love food stamps but detest abortion you’ll make yourselves irresitably attractive by granting Amnesty to strangers, expunging Abortion from your platform and generally ignoring the War Against Religion’s Not Islam and It Takes a Government Regulated Village to raise their urchins.

    On the contrary, you have no interest whatever in the work of meeting the Enemy. Your only goal in the voting booth is to choose a tomorrow rather like yesterday.

    Your thoughts are limited to quick fixes, kicking the can down the road, and doing whatever the hell Leadership says.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  222. Colonel, several of those candidates who may be able to make that conservative arguments were speaking yesterday and today. They aren’t in hibernation or heaven, they are at CPAC. You may want to watch the videos of some of them.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  223. Look, the leftwing said they’d abolish poverty, rightwing said they’d abolish bureaucracy.

    Odin said he’d abolish Ice Giants.

    Where are the Ice Giants?!?!

    Vote Odin in 2016

    Colonel Haiku (624695)

  224. 224. Cont.

    victory will be found in not committing the grievous errors of 2008 and 2012, when what many of them term squishy RINOs went thru the primary process and were nominated to run. In theory, if that scenario were avoided, the Magic Candidate would appear on the scene, said candidate would dazzle all with an never before seen eloquence, certain victory would be within reach and all would be well.

    And just what did your cabal do. Did you try to manufacture with you vote the Magic Candidate.

    Of course not, you tried with everything at your disposal to ‘eff it up, start to finish.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  225. Hey, you want to win in 2016? Put Texas first in the primaries! The best candidates will rise to the top.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  226. 226. ROTFL. Touche.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  227. 228. Someone is thinking, good idea. Picks up a measure of Southern and Western sentiment.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  228. “And just what did your cabal do. Did you try to manufacture with you vote the Magic Candidate.

    Of course not, you tried with everything at your disposal to ‘eff it up, start to finish.”

    Hmm… lemme think… I watched every debate start to finish, read all the policy papers I could find, found the candidate that I felt the best about, put my money where my mouth is, worked my behind off to get as many older folks and others in my area who hadn’t registered to vote via absentee ballot to the polls on election day and said a few prayers that truth and common sense would win out.

    Oh, and I dodged a few bombs lobbed by your allies on the Left.

    Colonel Haiku (624695)

  229. #224… yeah, just like in the run-up to 2008 and 2012, DRJ… the hopefuls are at CPAC.

    I’ve seen a couple so far… have been busy working all week, have today off and I’ll hopefully get to see who has the Real Magic.

    Colonel Haiku (624695)

  230. 231. Colonel, were you considered one of the really bright kids in HS? Obviously by your rank you’ve demonstrated leadership–

    Were you Class President, were you Captain of your Debate team? Did you take the Economics elective?

    Why do you suppose choosing for yourself is enough?

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  231. 232… I see it’s gotten even colder up your way, Gary. Helpful Hint… raise your caloric intake, it will help fire those synapses at a more rapid rate.

    Colonel Haiku (624695)

  232. The other night, a mess of the loiterer’s at Rico’s settled on one Rand Paul as a candidate the bulk of us could vote for.

    Frankly I think his chances based on your method of choosing a candidate are not rosy. Jeb Bush will create an awful lot of momentum over FL’s 29.

    And, unlike NY’s 29, or CA’s 55, or NJ’s 14 or IL’s 20, FL is actually winnable.

    Would you consider identifying a So-Con attractive to the Deep South and devoting all that thought and energy to getting behind them early so that Bush could be stopped?

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  233. It won’t be Jeb Bush.

    Colonel Haiku (624695)

  234. I am going to hand my proxy to Gary to vote for me – seeing as how I hardly attended high-school on account of my being promoted three times in Jr. high – remember “jr. high”? Best year of my life.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  235. Nearly seven in 10 say they support same-sex marriage, for example, just more than half identify themselves as “supporters of gay rights” and they are twice as likely to see gay and lesbian couples raising children as a good thing for the country than as a negative, which puts them at odds with older generations. They are also far more likely to favor legalization of marijuana. Opinions on abortion and gun control, by contrast, show little generational difference.

    lies and statistics.

    7 of 10 think that gay couples should be allowed to marry if they want
    I bet that 7/10 couples do not think a baker should be made to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple or face legal consequences

    just more than half identify themselves as “supporters of gay rights”
    meaning more than 50% think that gay people should not be hassled, so what

    Opinions on abortion and gun control, by contrast, show little generational difference.

    Well that’s interesting, seeing as the Dems are the party of pro-choice above everything else.

    twice as likely to see gay and lesbian couples raising children as a good thing for the country than as a negative

    “twice”, not giving actual numbers? Perhaps 10% of the younger are in favor as opposed to 5% of older,. or similar absolute numbers??

    They are also far more likely to favor legalization of marijuana. …and gun control, by contrast, show little generational difference.
    Hmmm, maybe not a good idea to favor legalizing of marijuana and gun rights at the same time…

    The numbers may all be true, but they don’t necessarily mean what some think they mean,
    but as long as one needs information and clear thinking to analyze statistics, conservatives have a big battle.

    Here is my idea of “compassionate conservatism”, teach children that they have the ability to be responsible and achieve something in their lives instead of being the third or forth generation taught to sit at home and wait for your food stamps and government check.
    Food stamps and government checks may be great for those who truly need them, they are not great when they are used to placate human beings like so many cattle. There is no kindness in creating an underclass with no hope.
    Though the wording may need to be different.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  236. 237. Thanks bud, I don’t think I can make it to SA before polls close.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  237. that was not a criticism of elissa, BTW, that was a critical analysis of the information as presented by the author

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  238. Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 3/7/2014 @ 11:04 am

    You dodged a bullet, there, doc!

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  239. “Food stamps and government checks may be great for those who truly need them, they are not great when they are used to placate human beings like so many cattle. There is no kindness in creating an underclass with no hope.”

    Dems know these cows and how to please with gubmint cheese. To think that much of the current economic conditions and the hopelessness and misery that result are part of their grand plan… this leftwing tactic used to expand the power and reach of the State must be explained and denounced from the rooftops.

    Colonel Haiku (624695)

  240. just wanted to clarify, felipe, when I realized it might not have been clear what I was criticizing

    It struck the wall,… 3 inches above the computer monitor.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  241. Beldar,

    The Texas Tribune released its post-election analysis. It found that voters in the Republican primary were “very conservative and very much aligned with the Tea Party sentiment that many in the media have begun to dismiss.” That may explain the arguably surprising results in both the AG and the Lt Gov races, including Dewhurst’s poor showing.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  242. Colonel Haiku:

    yeah, just like in the run-up to 2008 and 2012, DRJ… the hopefuls are at CPAC.

    Yes, and in the 2008 and 2012 primaries, I think GOP primary voters picked good nominees. I liked Guilliani more than McCain and Newt instead of Romney, but I think both McCain and Romney were good choices from the field of candidates. I also think the field is much better for 2014 with candidates like Rubio, Paul, Cruz, Christie, etc. Even Perry is a better Perry than he was last time. The primaries could be a lot more energizing for Republicans than in 2008 and 2012.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  243. Could be, time will tell. What we don’t need are more of these folks who sincerely believe that withholding their votes is a victory of some sort. Ain’t nobody got time for that.

    Colonel Haiku (624695)

  244. Oops. That should say “the field is much better for 2016″ instead of 2014. I wish we could elect a new President in 2014 but unfortunately that isn’t going to happen.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  245. Truth be told, Perry had no other way than to go up, he was that ineffective.

    Colonel Haiku (624695)

  246. People get to vote or not vote, it’s their choice.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  247. Perry was awful in 2012 and I don’t think he has a realistic chance now, but he can give a good speech. I view him as like Herman Cain or Mike Huckabee — politicians who can motivate people with a solid conservative/populist message — but without some of their baggage.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  248. Ya never know, he may surprise us.

    Colonel Haiku (624695)

  249. elissa,

    I’m going to try to state your point the way I think you would state it, to show I understand your position. Please correct me when you see something that doesn’t sound right.

    What conservative ideologues and Tea Party supporters don’t understand is that it’s very difficult for a Republican to campaign in a blue or purple state, and especially to appeal to young, independent, or minority voters that are turned off by conservative social values. Republicans can’t afford to write off those voters and yet it sounds like conservatives are willing to do just that. In addition, threatening not to vote for or support moderate Republicans threatens an already fragile coalition that needs all the help it can get. One more election — this time without a charismatic opponent like Obama — may be all it takes to get over the finish line and finally win the Presidency. Why give up now when the GOP seems so close to finally regaining power?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  250. Let’s keep flogging the TEA-baggers and vote for Chamber of Commerce endorsed candidates.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/03/Average%20weekly%20earnings.jpg

    OTOH if the best we can produce is another Senator we.are.one.sorry.lot.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  251. 252. “threatening not to vote for or support moderate Republicans”

    Its not a threat, its a lifestyle.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  252. #253… “Try some of this, nose… face? I hate you!”

    Colonel Haiku (624695)

  253. Remind one of a living Amerikkkan?

    http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=cpac+you+tube&ei=UTF-8&fr=w3i&type=W3i_DS,136,0_0,Search,20110939,6901,0,8,0

    Hannan’s 2012 CPAC address.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  254. 256. Sorry about the link, assembly required.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  255. 253) chocolate rations are so sweet, gary, if fewer then usual.

    narciso (3fec35)

  256. 258. I’d just as soon we could hold Cruz in reserve. In the Senate he can throw bombs, as Executive he’d have to behave.

    Herding cats would be sooo much easier.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  257. gg… Is someone “flogging tea baggers” on this site?

    Colonel Haiku (c48af0)

  258. 260. You mean ill but you’re overmatched.

    Too bad you’re bud daley is MIA.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  259. take a chill pill, gg… I come in peace.

    Colonel Haiku (c48af0)

  260. Actually, I miss daley. Hope all is well with him.

    felipe (6100bc)

  261. Yep, me, too.

    Colonel Haiku (c48af0)

  262. How was teh movie, Felipe?

    Colonel Haiku (c48af0)

  263. Parts were like the BDSM thread on this site. Thank goodness I forwent the 3D. It was a surprisingly small and quiet crowd which subtracted from my enjoyment.

    yeah, no spears for this melon, man!

    felipe (6100bc)

  264. I hope daley comes back soon, too.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  265. Strangest line in the movie:

    “You fight harder than you f*ck”.

    felipe (6100bc)

  266. Well, it’s Frank Miller so …. I liked Sin City a lot better.

    nk (dbc370)

  267. That Sin City was a rough ride, but it was definitely art.

    Colonel Haiku (c48af0)

  268. I loved 300, so I’ll look forward to this one, too.

    Dana (9a8f57)


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