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3/1/2014

Our Society’s (Taxpayer-Funded) Total Disintegration Confirmed: Planned Parenthood Video Explaining How Bondage and Sadomasochism Are Really A-OK

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 12:29 pm

CNS News:

Planned Parenthood of Northern New England (PPNNE)–which received more than $2.75 million in government funding in 2012–has produced and posted online a video specifically aimed at teenagers that promotes bondage and sadomasochism (BDSM) and proposes “rules” to follow when engaging in these activities.

“People sometimes think that those who practice BDSM are emotionally scarred or were once abused—not true, it’s a total myth,” the host of the video, Laci Green, informs its intended audience of teens.

“BDSM relies upon and creates trust,” she says.

Your taxpayer dollars at work:

In what sense is our government’s behvaior less oppressive and outrageous than the behavior of the British government that prompted the American Revolution?

There must be some way for the sensible people in this country to avoid being forced to pay for lunacy like this. Of course, no revolution would happen today. I doubt any state would even be willing to secede (my preferred solution). But I truly find it almost intolerable to live in a place where I am forced, at the threat of being arrested at gunpoint, to pay for stuff like this.

Thanks to Dana.

177 Responses to “Our Society’s (Taxpayer-Funded) Total Disintegration Confirmed: Planned Parenthood Video Explaining How Bondage and Sadomasochism Are Really A-OK”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (9c670f)

  2. I thought this had to be a hoax.

    SarahW (267b14)

  3. Had to close down and barricade the park service monuments and halt WH tours to “save” money –but they were able to scrounge up a couple mil for a non government entity to spend on this?

    elissa (a65f5a)

  4. It is snowing here again, BTW. Quite vigorously in fact.

    elissa (a65f5a)

  5. Not an auspicious opening day for the outdoor antique and flea markets around here.

    elissa (a65f5a)

  6. If there is no God, everything is permissible.
    Dostoyevsky- Though I guess more of a paraphrase than a direct quote.

    The snow is supposed to hit us tomorrow night,6-12 inches; +/- freezing rain depending on how far north and west.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  7. one of my super best friends in whole whirl met her husband on an s&m site

    like 15 years ago

    now they have this precious lil girl who designs her own clothes

    they are very happy

    i miss them a lot actually

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  8. I woke up to snow, too, elissa. I’m trying to remain optimistic.

    This issue troubles me on several levels: Firstly, that the taxpayer is forced to fund this without a say, and PP’s attempted normalization of bondage and sadomasochism within the teen age community. When they make statements like the one below, it only informs the public that they truly have no interest whatsoever in the health and well being of a teenager.

    “We are dedicated to protecting the sexual health of teens by providing accurate information, opportunities to explore and establish beliefs and attitudes, and the skills to communicate their needs,” says PPNNE’s “For Teens” page.

    “For teens who are sexually involved, Planned Parenthood is committed to providing resources for safeguarding their emotional and physical health,” it says.

    Dana (9a8f57)

  9. well, since one needs, of necessity, to be into BDSM in order to be a lieberal to begin with, this makes a certain amount of sense from the viewpoint of shoring up the next generation of LIVs.

    gotta keep that Demonrat hegemony going, don’tchaknow…

    8-)

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  10. It’s the taxpayer funding of pp’s private whims and adventures that people rebel against feets–not the happiness that a couple of like minded souls such as your friends found in each other.

    elissa (a65f5a)

  11. It used to be attentive parents were concerned with when their teenagers became sexually active, now it’s whether or not they’re engaging in behaviors which are beyond their maturity, and their ability to make sound decisions. They have no hindsight, no seasoning in life, and the potential for regret ratchets up with this sort of lifestyle choice.

    Dana (9a8f57)

  12. I truly find it almost intolerable to live in a place where I am forced, at the threat of being arrested at gunpoint, to pay for stuff like this.

    While the government does a lot worse things than this, I take your point.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  13. Today is the two year anniversary of the death of Andrew Breitbart.
    R.I.P., Champ.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  14. #13… miss that guy! So direct… so honest… so insightful and compelling.

    Colonel Haiku (fce587)

  15. The Beltway’s abdication of fiscal conservatism isn’t the only thing wrong with this country. We need more social conservatism, too.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  16. Isn’t Laci a regular at Sex&Submission?

    askeptic (2bb434)

  17. Thunder and Lightning and Wind…..
    I shouldn’t have watched Grimm last night.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  18. posted the link in the proper thread, but since this is the top thread, and since the news will cause pain it’s appropriate here as well, Ear Leader blew off his intel brief on the Ukraine today.

    pinky swear.

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  19. Now, see, this is the issue. Mr. Feet is all about Teh Tolerance.

    Yet he also rails against misspending money.

    So why not in this case?

    Because it is personal to him, because of his friends—reasoning from the heart, not the head. Okay, maybe a little bit lower than those locations. NTTIAWWT.

    Seriously, the problem is NOT people having freedom of choice in their personal lives. The problem is paying for and promoting specific lifestyle choices. It’s not about freedom (or even permissiveness).

    It’s about Teh Narrative, as always.

    That should be clear, even before folks eat a tasty burrito or two.

    Sorry I posted this in the wrong thread originally.

    And yes about AB. Much missed.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  20. Obama has the entire country in bondage and handcuffs and blindfolds.
    Or something.

    And I’m not turned on.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  21. We all need to say Palomino, ES…at the ballot box.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  22. Let us be civil right????

    Compromise right?

    If every Conservative called it an Abortion Mill and Baby Murderes …. this would stop.

    But being polite = strangling ourselves for their benefit.

    Rodney King's Spirit (ca9e04)

  23. Well it’s both,, encouraging the license, which weakens family foundations, which makes one more dependent on government,

    narciso (3fec35)

  24. Considering that one in 50 is estimated to engage in BDSM, and it is potentially dangerous, it’s probably a good idea to include information about it in a safe sex campaign.

    But that doesn’t mean such a safe sex campaign should be funded by money collected from people against their will. I’m sure one could easily collect enough voluntary donations to produce such a video and make it accessible.

    Miss Tified (72ac6e)

  25. 20. E.S.–that was one of your best (and funniest) comments evah. Your response at 21 was great, too, Simon.

    elissa (a65f5a)

  26. Actually, it’s close to what I’ve told nieces and nephews about BSDM (and what I would have told my children if I’d had any.) I’m not sure where the money went, though.

    htom (412a17)

  27. == one in 50 is estimated to engage in BDSM==

    Just curious, Miss. You got a relible link for that? If the percentage has increased of late it’d be really interesting to know why and who’s doing it. If you purport the percentage to be common and stable over centuries then why does the government or PP suddenly need to urgently get involved now?

    elissa (a65f5a)

  28. Happyfeet,

    If you are making a judgement call on those of us who object to the S&M bit of this, please stand corrected: I don’t care what consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes. (I’d rather not know, frankly).

    I *do*, however, care very deeply about, and object to, the government spending my money on attempts to normalize BDSM with minors involved. I object to it both from it both fiscally and socially. If you’re friends met at an S&M site and find themselves happy after 15 years, good for them, but that is not what we are talking about here.

    Dana (9a8f57)

  29. Well it’s a dubious stat, besides why do we cater to 5% of the population, rhetorical question,

    narciso (3fec35)

  30. you voted for it
    bondage and teh discipline
    spankings and teh whip

    Colonel Haiku (fce587)

  31. it’s so important
    You get abused smacked around
    just to get your nut

    Colonel Haiku (fce587)

  32. Isn’t there a certain irony in this with you being a prosecutor, drawing a public salary while the US imprisons a quarter of the world’s prisoners, a — conservatively — 400 percent increase during our lifetime?

    I’m not saying you’re responsible for crafting the details of the policies which you implement and I know that you mostly prosecute gang murders, but you are fighting the drug war, aren’t you?

    Wouldn’t a lot of your job simply be unnecessary with better laws and more freedom, like in Portugal where they’ve decriminalized drugs to positive effect?

    In other words, aren’t you complaining about a mosquito, relatively speaking, when just the drug war itself is akin to a particularly malign swan?

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  33. I guess it’s a relief that the left, so far, isn’t promoting the idea that people who are into S&M should be given special accommodations, involving either employment, bathrooms or marriage licenses.

    Then again, I never thought I’d see a day when major US corporations, among others, would be penalizing the Boy Scouts of America for not going beyond allowing self-described gay boys to be members of troops by also allowing openly gay men to be Scout Masters too.

    The slippery slope in today’s day and age is becoming more and more slippery. An out-and-out game of slip and slide, slip and slide.

    Mark (c04b2c)

  34. As usual, FC, you miss the point, stronger institutions would obviate the need for an aggressive law enforcement presence, it’s a two pronged attack,

    narciso (3fec35)

  35. Former Conservative,

    Your segueway and analogy seem forced and stretched, at best.

    Dana (9a8f57)

  36. As usual, FC, you miss the point, stronger institutions would obviate the need for an aggressive law enforcement presence, it’s a two pronged attack,

    Like what? Getting the military and CIA involved isn’t enough, it’s going to take space battleships?

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  37. Well it’s a dubious stat, besides why do we cater to 5% of the population, rhetorical question,
    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 3/1/2014 @ 3:17 pm

    Because the media gives them a huge megaphone to use.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  38. If FC is who I think he is, threadjacking is an important part of his life.

    We need a safe word to let him know to change the subject.

    Or perhaps he needs to be…disciplined…a little bit.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  39. Society creates laws that delineate the boundaries of acceptable behavior, and hire LE to enforce those boundaries.
    If people would respect the boundaries, they would not find themselves incarcerated.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  40. Simon, put that whip away.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  41. Or perhaps he needs to be…disciplined…a little bit.

    I felt a little naughty laughing at this…

    Dana (9a8f57)

  42. Oh, humor aside, I’m guessing you mean social institutions, like families. That would be nice. And you are on to something.

    The problem is that drugs aren’t particularly addictive (one of the reasons that both Bush and Obama could use cocaine and marijuana, then go, “Meh”) … if a person hasn’t first been traumatized or neglected, mostly in childhood, requiring self-medication.

    By all means, we should stop doing terrible things to children, but we should also stop traumatizing them twice by treating them as criminals for their addiction, which results from their diminished ability to emotionally self-regulate. Like Portugal is doing.

    Treatment, compassion, taxpayer savings, less the whole world looking at your country like it has become a moral horror.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  43. I know it was just a movie, but I watched “The Counselor” last night. Set in El Paso, not too far from Juarez, Mexico, the plot emphasized how corrupting this need to get high is. People who partake of hard drugs need to be reminded of the tens of thousands of people who are murdered each year by the jackals who provide this shit that is stuffed up their nose, shot into their arms… all the innocent blood that is shed. There will be a reckoning one day, each of us will stand in front of God. Having a clear conscience and a pure heart will mean something.

    Colonel Haiku (fce587)

  44. In other words, back that SegWay over teh cliff, FC.

    Colonel Haiku (fce587)

  45. “…drugs aren’t particularly addictive…”

    (((just shakes head)))

    askeptic (2bb434)

  46. If FC is who I think he is, threadjacking is an important part of his life.

    Well it is an interesting question … minute, enforced funding for alternative sex ed … or millions of lives shattered with an enforced, failing drug war, which people are also compelled to pay for at the end of a gun, like it or not. Seems directly relevant, actually. Same basic principle, just x 1000.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  47. The video still makes me laugh, despite the waste of money. Negotiating before the whips and handcuffs? It’s all about trust? Talking about it afterwards? I have this sneaking suspicion that there isn’t quite so much talk and sharing of opinions involved.

    Truly, it’s like some weird Soviet description of sex among the New Communist People.

    That or “Brave New World” by Aldous Huxley.

    A gramme is better than a damn” according to Lenina Crowne.

    http://www.huxley.net/bnw/six.html

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  48. I don’t know, FC. If you really are Christoph, you should remain ashamed.

    Regardless, your point of view is pretty similar to this:

    http://ideationz.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/250px-natlamp731.jpg

    False equivalence is your game.

    Or you could simply write your own blog, rather than try to threadjack.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  49. The video still makes me laugh, despite the waste of money. Negotiating before the whips and handcuffs? It’s all about trust? Talking about it afterwards? I have this sneaking suspicion that there isn’t quite so much talk and sharing of opinions involved.

    From what little I know having heard a couple friends explain it, talking about it is a much bigger thing for BDSM than for other sex generally — out of necessity. For exactly these safety concerns.

    Now I don’t actually support extracting money at gunpoint so that Laci Green can talk about sex when she has a perfectly free-market, ad-supported YouTube channel people can be directed to for this sort of thing. However, I’m pointing out there’s a lot of this extracting money at gunpoint from people to dubious ends going on.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  50. Christoph, let me respond to your thread-jacking arguments with the time, energy, and care they deserve.

    Isn’t there a certain irony in this with you being a prosecutor, drawing a public salary while the US imprisons a quarter of the world’s prisoners, a — conservatively — 400 percent increase during our lifetime?

    No.

    I’m not saying you’re responsible for crafting the details of the policies which you implement and I know that you mostly prosecute gang murders, but you are fighting the drug war, aren’t you?

    No.

    Wouldn’t a lot of your job simply be unnecessary with better laws and more freedom, like in Portugal where they’ve decriminalized drugs to positive effect?

    No.

    In other words, aren’t you complaining about a mosquito, relatively speaking, when just the drug war itself is akin to a particularly malign swan?

    No.

    Your next thread-jacking comment on this thread starts the moderation process. Feel free to get your own blog.

    Patterico (c5d14d)

  51. #49, nicely done.

    Dana (9a8f57)

  52. I’m not a fan of taking money from people against their will to jail those who got caught with a plant, either.

    In fact, if I were donating money to accomplish things, I would put some towards safety info, but none towards imprisoning drug users.

    Miss Tified (72ac6e)

  53. Elissa, I’ll have to get back to you with a source. I’ve seen that same number over and over on BDSM sites for so long that I can’t remember its origins.

    Miss Tified (72ac6e)

  54. I also want to check FC’s 400 percent statistic. I have that data on my laptop.

    I believe it was an 800 percent increase since 1970. But when I accounted for the population increase over the same period, it was only a 500 percent increase per-capita.

    Miss Tified (72ac6e)

  55. Simon, I assure you that people who take their BDSM seriously do a lot of talking. And we usually fill out a questionnaire about what the limits are, so that both people are clear.

    But if no bondage is planned, and the intensity is going to be increased gradually, the couple might not bother with the formality, because the bottom could easily advocate for him or herself as it’s happening.

    You can also apply some common sense. If you know that a particular activity would be extremely traumatic to you, and might happen before you can say something, you’d want to tell your partner right away.

    For example, I wouldn’t play with anyone without saying upfront that breath play is completely off the table, as is anything that might make me panic that I am suffocating, like gags.

    In the video, she mentions “Safe, Sane, and Consensual.” That is often interpreted to mean that you shouldn’t do anything that would require the assistance of outside help (like a doctor or psychologist) to recover from.

    An alternative approach is called “Risk Aware Consensual Kink,” which is usually preferred if your fetish is so extreme that needing medical assistance would be necessary to carry it out. In that case, despite knowing the risk, the participants might want to do it anyway.

    Miss Tified (72ac6e)

  56. An alternative approach is called “Risk Aware Consensual Kink,” which is usually preferred if your fetish is so extreme that needing medical assistance would be necessary to carry it out.

    I guess I must be boring. I like to cuddle. Sex, and quite a few variations on the theme too, but I’d rather not involve a doctor unless, you know, she’s a participant.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  57. Its pathological. It’s sick. It’s a perversion. It’s linked to brain damage, genetic, congenital and epigenetic, the result of crossed wiring and peak shift of the senses.

    It is common enough but nowise “normal” and it is not ok and no one should be trying to tell children that it is.

    Adults can do as they please. But no person should be expected to think of persons who indulge their pathologies as normal.

    SarahW (267b14)

  58. Let’s pretend that there is an educational value to this. Let’s stipulate to that.

    Okay, so why does PP need to provide educational videos on this? Why does the federally funded PP have to do this?

    There is an entire industry out to do this. I am willing to bet i can find info on the subject that is equally useful just by googling the subject.

    So all moral objections aside, THIS IS A WASTE OF MONEY.

    Aaron "Worthing" Walker (23789b)

  59. Why is it that the PP people think its so important to put this crap out – even at the risk of undermining political support for their funding?

    That’s the question that occurs to me.

    SPQR (768505)

  60. I wonder what Margaret Sanger wrote of this?
    And, if she did, was it reserved for Whites Only?

    askeptic (2bb434)

  61. Because they know that there is no way in God’s Green Acre that they will lose funding, not as long as the Dems run DC.
    And to change that, a wide broom needs to be pushed through the corridors of the bureaucracy – politicians come and go, but the Apparat is forever.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  62. I always thought PP was a place a teen could go for free birth control. But when I was 18 and called them, they said I’d have to pay for a full gynecological exam first. (That was 16 years ago.)

    Miss Tified (774932)

  63. Aaron, yes, there’s tons of free info that’s good.

    Miss Tified (774932)

  64. I had to laugh at loud at “Miss Tified’s” comments. She doesn’t help her own situation very much. Ah, the self aware life.

    I don’t care if you get your jollies wearing a Supergirl costume or a ball-gag. That’s your business.

    But it is, ahem, outside the norms.

    So instead of Planned Parenthood explaining the niceties of water sports, why not let the BDSM types create a website where people can discuss these things with one another?

    Oh wait, they do.

    See what I mean? It’s not about freedom of expression. It’s about promoting a point of view. And it’s not tolerance.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  65. Someone upthread wondered why they felt a need to make this video now. That probably has something to do with the recent huge surge in interest due to 50 Shades of Grey. At FetLife they complain about so many newbies experiencing frenzy. (That’s a desperation and impatience to try more and more intense things. It leads people into doing dangerous things.)

    Miss Tified (774932)

  66. It’s not about freedom of expression.
    It never is.

    It’s about promoting a point of view.
    It always is.

    And it’s not tolerance.
    There is no more intolerant, narrow minded, and bigoted group than the progs and the left. (Broad brush: Yes, because it’s true).

    Dana (9a8f57)

  67. Sarah, I think you’re right to a significant point here, but not 100%.

    Spanking — which I consider to be a form of child abuse, which is the mainstream view in, say, Delaware, the Scandinavian countries, much of Europe, and it’s even against the law in Kenya — is associated with higher rates of BDSM in adulthood. This makes sense, as spanking is striking the child on and near erogenous areas, against its will no less, often while being physically confined, and there have got to be a mix of feelings associated with that, including physical.

    When you write, “Adults can do as they please,” I’m quite in agreement when it comes to other adults, but really wish they’d lay off hitting children below the belt. And above the belt.

    Anyway, so whether in a given case it’s spanking or more severe forms of being abused as children, I agree that BDSM often is the result of some pathology — largely a cultural pathology transferred, usually inadvertently, by the child’s parents. So I’m with you on the BDSM can be a pathology part.

    But then there’s simply the vagaries of the human nervous system. Forgetting sex for a second, consider jumping in ice water. I hate that. Unless there’s a hot tub right by, then I still hate it, but jumping in the hot tub is that much better. Likewise I’ve noticed, and not by proposing the idea myself, that a lot of women who seem pretty normal overall like it a bit rough. That would be the majority of women. I think there’s simply something to alternating a bit of controlled pain, however slight, with pleasure that can magnify the pleasure. Similarly the bondage and domination aspects, if properly controlled.

    So, since people do tie each other up, safety considerations are important (possibly even involving a third party knowing who you’re with). I agree with Aaron that this education is a need which can be supplied by the free market.

    But then I feel that way about education generally.

    Final note: If people oppose BDSM, then they really ought not to spank their kids. Murray Straus, an absolutely top-notch social science researcher in the field of domestic violence who is not caught up with a bunch of left-wing and feminist claptrap, agrees as a result of his research.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  68. Someone upthread wondered why they felt a need to make this video now. That probably has something to do with the recent huge surge in interest due to 50 Shades of Grey.

    Makes sense.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  69. SF, and now FC….

    It’s enough to drive you to a place where they can explain the Infield Fly Rule.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  70. Simon, I completely agree that the government doesn’t need to be involved.

    I don’t see why you felt the need for the vague insults.

    Miss Tified (774932)

  71. Infield Fly Rule.

    Why is this so difficult.

    If there are runners on 1st and 2nd, and less than tow outs, and the ball is popped up in the infield the umpire MAY declare the batter out and the ball caught.

    Otherwise there is the temptation for the fielder to let it drop in front of him and get a double play at second and third, as the runners don’t dare advance.

    Kevin M (dbcba4)

  72. I agree with FC that children shouldn’t be spanked. I find the idea really horrifying. They didn’t consent. They can’t say something to make it stop. Just the feelings of fear and violation alone make it completely unacceptable.

    I also agree that there’s something about contrasting extreme sensations that a lot of people find appealing. Like spicy food. Some people get a thrill out of that.

    You can also find scientific data about endorphin releases as a result of being physically outside your comfort zone.

    Miss Tified (774932)

  73. Ahhh, it just occurred to me that Simon is probably assuming that my sex life is a lot more interesting than it really is. That my info comes from experience. :) I’ve never done anything interesting enough to have a safeword.

    Miss Tified (774932)

  74. Kevin, it was a rhetorical statement.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  75. Miss Tified is SF’s sister.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  76. Its pathological. It’s sick. It’s a perversion. It’s linked to brain damage, genetic, congenital and epigenetic, the result of crossed wiring and peak shift of the senses.

    It is common enough but nowise “normal” and it is not ok and no one should be trying to tell children that it is.

    Adults can do as they please. But no person should be expected to think of persons who indulge their pathologies as normal.

    Comment by SarahW (267b14) — 3/1/2014 @ 5:31 pm

    Allow me to add “shameful, debased and degraded, not even fit for the barnyard let alone human society”.

    nk (dbc370)

  77. //Anyway, so whether in a given case it’s spanking or more severe forms of being abused as children, I agree that BDSM often is the result of some pathology — largely a cultural pathology transferred, usually inadvertently, by the child’s parents. So I’m with you on the BDSM can be a pathology part.//

    I’ve heard of women using BDSM as a way to process rape trauma. To recreate the situation, only this time they are in control. I could imagine this applying to childhood spanking trauma as well.

    In that case, though, it could be seen as a sort of healthy approach to an unhealthy situation. That’s probably the minority.

    I think most of the time the bottom feels like he or she is a loser and deserves to suffer. And so participatin in something like that probably reinforces those feelings. And perhaps it’s fortunate that so many women can’t get their husbands to give a try to hitting them.

    Miss Tified (774932)

  78. Neurologically, that might even make sense as a form of exposure therapy. Probably does help on occasion.

    But emotional trauma is characterized by “repetition compulsion”, so I’m thinking it’s more often that.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  79. Comment by Former Conservative (6e026c) — 3/1/2014 @ 6:09 pm

    There’s a swedish word of “lagom” which means “just the right amount.” That can mean just hot enough or just cold enough or just rough enough or just tender enough. It’s a range and the range mean not some everlasting in the middle but implies there is an edge to overdoing it in any direction.
    Now, there is a difference between your basic bodice or bathing suit rip, and being hung up by the ceiling on meathooks and smacked with a whip. I’m sure we agree so far.

    SarahW (267b14)

  80. Sure, Sarah, but I also believe people vary on a Bell Curve — in pretty much every trait — and that there are some women who I just couldn’t keep up with that way. A man’s got to know his limitations.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  81. As a farmboy, we also had animals which varied on a bell curve, we kept the upper end of the curve for breeding and the market, and culled the bottom end for fresh meat.

    nk (dbc370)

  82. Lol, FC

    Miss Tified (774932)

  83. Oops, wrong thread.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  84. Christoph always reverts back to the same nonsense.

    JD (17f05f)

  85. Now Sarah and FC inspired me to try to identify points on a spectrum. At one end I guess I’d put something like being pressed up against a wall while kissing.

    Miss Tified (774932)

  86. Pressed up against a wall while kissing? So limited.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  87. This is like a bad version of Punch & Judy.

    JD (17f05f)

  88. Maybe Miss T and FC can get together, lol,

    narciso (3fec35)

  89. If they make a YouTube video, I don’t want you linking it, narciso.

    nk (dbc370)

  90. FC only said it was a spectrum. Sarah was the one talking about bodice ripping, and causing me to wonder what’s less BDSMish than that.

    Miss Tified (774932)

  91. Dana, this is yet more oikophobia.

    Tolerance is good. But this is something else, as you allude. It sounds like a stretch, but here is a bit from silly old H.P. Lovecraft’s story “The Call of Cthluhlu,” referring to the cult that will bring the Old Ones back:


    …Then, whispered Castro, those first men formed the cult around small idols which the Great Ones shewed them; idols brought in dim aeras from dark stars. That cult would never die till the stars came right again, and the secret priests would take great Cthulhu from His tomb to revive His subjects and resume His rule of earth. The time would be easy to know, for then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom. Meanwhile the cult, by appropriate rites, must keep alive the memory of those ancient ways and shadow forth the prophecy of their return….

    I’m not chuckling as I read this. Kind of reminds me of Aleister Crowley’s Thelema cult:

    …Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law..

    But as I say, I find it interesting that only some of “whatever you want” is acceptable.

    When I was a kiddo, the “hippie” dictum was “Do your own thing.” I quickly learned in college, as in Orwell’s “Animal Farm,” you needed to add “…so long as it is my kind of thing you do.”

    Strange times, indeed.

    Simon Jester (877695)

  92. Isn’t that a precept of the wicca religion, ‘the Devil comes to steal, kill and destroy, John 10;10

    narciso (3fec35)

  93. Um… Are you saying BDSM isn’t okay? Sexual choices are personal choices. Do you want the government to step in and ban people from engaging in BDSM acts? Isn’t conservatism about personal choice? The government doesn’t know best. Private citizens do. Where does it stop? Should we ban soda, too? Some people are mad that the NSA was wiretapping. I sure wouldn’t want the government to have people stationed in everyone’s bedroom to make sure they don’t perform a kind of sex act that isn’t approved by the nanny state.

    Mitch (2fa925)

  94. The woman in this video needs hand restraints and a ball gag—then I might considering listening to this nonsense.

    Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157 (f7d5ba)

  95. “…I sure wouldn’t want the government to have people stationed in everyone’s bedroom to make sure they don’t perform a kind of sex act that isn’t approved by the nanny state.”

    well, they already tell us what we’re supposed to eat, how we’re supposed to get our healthcare, what kind & size of cars, light bulbs and stoves we can purchase & use, etc, etc, etc…

    What difference, at this point, does it make to pass one more oppressive restriction?

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  96. Just in whose bedroom did anybody spy on private, consensual, adult sexual activity? This sicko put a video together for teens and put it on the internet with taxpayer funding. And Mitch? Learn the difference between libertarian and libertine.

    nk (dbc370)

  97. well nk, if you remember that kids are now supposed to be sexually active, or at least act like they are DTF by the age of 12, maybe this video IS appropriate.

    after all, if they start at 10-12, by the time they turn 15 they’re going to be a little jaded, and a little kink might be just the ticket to spice up their lives…

    8-)

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  98. Mitch, you make the common mistake of making human freedom to choose the same as “OK” the same as the government approving and /or condoning it.

    That works only if you make the fundamental assumption that each person is autonomous and free to maximize their own definition of pleasure/success, and that the role of society/government is to affirm those choices.
    One can make those assumptions, but humans have enough intelligence to realize they are making that assumption, though they often choose to “forget” it.
    The alternative assumption (and off-hand I think all variations on the theme fall into the two options) is that each person is not autonomous to be their own final authority, but there is an authority above them, God, to whom one day they will give an account.
    The role of government is not to play God, but to give enough order to society so that doing good is made easier, and doing bad is made more difficult. The details of that is what a society has to work out.
    Making a law against consensual adult BDSM is not the role of government, in my (“prudish”) opinion, but encouraging it as normal for teens is something (again in my opinion) that society should oppose, let alone use government funds to encourage.
    Once upon a time it was demonstrating condoms on bananas for teens. One is always encouraging humans live up to their best, or enabling them to sink.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  99. As a physician, you believe teens knowing how to use condoms is “sinking”?

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  100. Teens don’t need condoms. A single aspirin tablet will protect a girl from both pregnancy and disease. And she does not even need to ingest it. Just hold it tightly between her knees.

    Or are abstinence and chastity unharmonious concepts?

    nk (dbc370)

  101. 57. Comment by Aaron “Worthing” Walker (23789b) — 3/1/2014 @ 5:39 pm

    So all moral objections aside, THIS IS A WASTE OF MONEY.

    Planned Parenthood would say thatthey (and/or the teachers who would use or recommend their videos0 have some moral authority, and teenagers will listen to them.

    This is all on tghe pretence that all (basic) sexual practices are innate, but people can be taught to modify them.

    Sammy Finkelman (7072ea)

  102. 100. Comment by nk (dbc370) — 3/2/2014 @ 7:01 am

    Teens don’t need condoms. A single aspirin tablet will protect a girl from both pregnancy and disease. And she does not even need to ingest it. Just hold it tightly between her knees.

    Or are abstinence and chastity unharmonious concepts?

    Supposedly they don’t work (and indeed it requires something to go against peer pressure)

    And the premise it, that while you can’t stop teenagers from having sex, you can stop teenagers from having sex without condoms!

    Because, after all, you’re still using the same word.

    And if not, they would be out of job.

    Sammy Finkelman (7072ea)

  103. Even if your theory was true, nk, despite all the evidence that abstinence-only education results in higher STD and pregnancy rates, you’re unfamiliar with the concept that education is useful information imparted to people, in advance, for when they need the knowledge?

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  104. Um… Are you saying BDSM isn’t okay? Sexual choices are personal choices. Do you want the government to step in and ban people from engaging in BDSM acts? Isn’t conservatism about personal choice? The government doesn’t know best. Private citizens do. Where does it stop? Should we ban soda, too? Some people are mad that the NSA was wiretapping. I sure wouldn’t want the government to have people stationed in everyone’s bedroom to make sure they don’t perform a kind of sex act that isn’t approved by the nanny state.

    I don’t know that it is possible to miss the overall point more than the above referenced comment. Conflation of disagreeing with taxpayer dollars being used to fund this nonsense and wanting to ban the practice is such a worn out rhetorical tactic. It is emo blathering.

    I see Christoph has again tried to steer to topic to his pet infatuations. Now he is trying to inject spanking into the mix. Next, circumcision. How droll.

    JD (17f05f)

  105. Spanking causes BDSM.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  106. Fascism will come with a happy face…and twinkly music.

    Patricia (be0117)

  107. Not having sex does prevent pregnancy. Brilliant observation there. Works for STDs too.

    But, to wit, Bristol Palin as just one of myriad examples (and I’m not knocking her — I come down on the side of believing sex is natural and good, even when it results in children, which, well, is known to happen and is hardly entirely bad), people still have sex. Ergo condoms as a pregnancy and disease-prevention option.

    Why it can’t work: “chastity”, if not, “condoms”, if not, “other birth control options, which reduce pregnancy but not disease risk”, I don’t know. This seems pretty basic.

    Or, as an individual standard: “refrain from having sex in situations A–G, but if one is really strongly inclined in situation H, use a condom and this is how it works”.

    Beats disease or hundreds of thousands of dollars in unwanted expenses. Besides, I’m sure there are people who learn how to put a condom on correctly, but then don’t have sex anytime soon. This knowledge does not damn one to immediately putting it in the nearest orifice or on innocent available bananas.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  108. 108. If you’re thinking condoms prevent pregnancy or STD’s for cause you’re using something more impermeable than a condom and you’re putting it on wrong.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  109. And you won’t even get enough States to call an Article V convention.

    cedarhill (64a47b)

  110. Except the curriculum in Wasilla, was certainly not proabstinence, and the Huntress herself does not rule out birth control, as ‘Feminist for life’ but
    by all means keep the narrative going.

    narciso (3fec35)

  111. I have no idea what Bristol was taught about sex. I’m simply saying people have sex and get pregnant as a result. Condoms help with the whole pregnancy and disease prevention thing, when used. Knowing about condoms doesn’t guarantee use, either.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  112. Seeing as how electing Obama (aka worst president ever) is the equivilant of being bound and sodomized, they are only following established democratic practice.

    harkin (fbf689)

  113. As long as we’re on the “don’t pay attention to what we’re saying just give us a pass for good intentions” shtick.

    http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/03/01/CNN-Accuses-Putin-of-Bullying-Obama

    Damned Slav revanchist, he’s got pieces of paper that swear he was born, graduated college, was married and is the father of children, and is a paragon of Peace and is leader of the free world.

    Pinkie swear. Treat him as your feared equal, pretty please.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  114. I’ll go out on a limb and say we have been spanked by the government quite enough, thank you.

    Colonel Haiku (00d3da)

  115. lol gary

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  116. “don’t pay attention to what we’re saying just give us a pass for good intentions” shtick.

    Speaking of which, here’s merely one more reason why I have such disgust towards the left, towards all the people who believe that liberalism imbues oneself with wonderful, beautiful, generous, humane qualities.

    Pfft.

    dailycaller.com, February 27: The author of a German study that examined thousands of anti-Semitic hate messages told an Israeli newspaper that she was “very surprised” to discover that only 3 percent came from those described as members of the political “far-right.”

    Monika Schwarz-Friesel, a linguistics professor at the Technical University of Berlin, and her team read 14,000 letters and emails addressed to the Israeli embassy in Berlin and to Germany’s Central Council of Jews, Haaretz reported. “I wanted to find out how modern anti-Semites think, feel and communicate,” Schwarz-Friesel told Haaretz.

    The study concluded that a majority of the messages – 60 percent – were sent by educated Germans, including university professors and priests. That finding shattered the research team’s initial assumptions.

    “At first, we thought that most of the letters would be sent by right-wing extremists,” Schwarz-Friesel said. “But I was very surprised to discover that they were actually sent by people from the social mainstream – professors, Ph.D.s, lawyers, priests, university and high-school students.”

    “The problem is not the extreme right and neo-Nazis because they are so marginal in German society…the problem is in respectable German society that normally doesn’t accept overt anti-Semitism,” [Efraim] Zuroff [Israel office director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center] said.

    Asked about the researchers’ “surprised” reaction to their findings, Zuroff said: “It’s very simple. They think that they share common values with liberal, humanistic, ostensibly sane Germans but part of problem is that some of those people have deeply embedded anti-Semitism that sometimes manifests itself in [hate] letters.”

    “We found that there is hardly any difference in the semantics of highly educated anti-Semites and vulgar extremists and neo-Nazis,” Schwarz-Friezel told the American Jewish news site the Forward in December. “The difference lies only in style and formal rhetoric, but the concepts are the same.”

    The researchers counted as anti-Semitic only those messages that described German Jews as not being truly German and blamed German Jews for Israel’s actions.

    ^ This is one more example of the harsh reality that mirrors surveys done through the years right here in the US that discovered higher percentages of Democrats — who presumably also are of the left — are MORE likely to believe that blacks are innately lacking in aptitude and that it’s okay to keep them out of neighborhoods.

    Modern-day liberals and modern-day liberalism: Bleech. Not to mention early 20th-century liberals too, like bigoted Woodrow Wilson, anti-Jewish, anti-miscegenation Franklin D Roosevelt and racist Harry Truman: Double bleech.

    Mark (71f7cb)

  117. Comment by Former Conservative (6e026c) — 3/2/2014 @ 6:46 am

    Thank you for the opportunity to point out truth in response to straw men.
    Teaching in school how to use a condom and ignoring the virtues of abstinence until finding a life partner is indeed sinking.

    As far as the “things you know that aren’t true”, the only “program” ever to have been demonstrated in reducing risk of HIV transmission was the “ABC” program in Uganda: Abstinence until old enough and responsible enough for a life partner, Be faithful to your life long partner, use Condoms if you are unwilling to go by A and B. (http://www.amazon.com/Broken-Promises-Establishment-Betrayed-Developing/dp/1611321123 the author is not an adherent of any religion and was voted in high school “most likely to be murdered by a jealous spouse”. He does have the unpopular characteristic of being intellectually honest.)

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  118. To reemphasize, typical sex ed in the industrialized world is not “ABC” as you sort of (FC) suggest above. the message is that sexual activity is normal and to be encouraged at all ages, just use a condom, in fact same-sex sex, BDSM, and who knows whatever else is affirmed as normative.
    That is a very different reality than encouraging self-control until old enough and in a situation to be responsible for the possible consequences of sex, that is, being a parent.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  119. Thank you for the opportunity to point out truth in response to straw men.
    Teaching in school how to use a condom and ignoring the virtues of abstinence until finding a life partner is indeed sinking.

    But that’s a straw man. You don’t need to ignore the virtues of finding true love. However, people will make individual decisions, and you’re not likely to end up with 100% perfect chastity and fidelity, and even if you did, knowing how to use condoms can still be useful.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  120. Mitch @ 94,

    I made this comment to Happyfeet way upthread, but see that it’s fitting for you as well as you intentionally (or ignorantly) jumped to false assessments and conclusions about conservatism.

    If you are making a judgement call on those of us who object to the S&M bit of this, please stand corrected: I don’t care what consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes. (I’d rather not know, frankly).

    I *do*, however, care very deeply about, and object to, the government spending my money on attempts to normalize BDSM with minors involved. I object to it both from it both fiscally and socially. If you’re friends met at an S&M site and find themselves happy after 15 years, good for them, but that is not what we are talking about here.

    But, the more I consider it, I do believe that social conservatism certainly has its place and every citizen shares the responsibility of determining what they believe is morally acceptable and/or fiscally acceptable to them. Clearly, moral degradation impacts society at large and the more the boundaries of acceptability expand, the more freedoms one can have – and yet, those freedoms can easily bring other forms of um, bondage.

    Nose, nose, anything goes isn’t necessarily all it’s cracked up to be.

    Dana (9a8f57)

  121. and you’re not likely to end up with 100% perfect chastity and fidelity, and even if you did, knowing how to use condoms can still be useful.

    And since we’ve been living in an era when everything is very up-front and extremely blatant, why do various people (mainly of the left) nonetheless want society to feel guilty about things like AIDS?

    “Oh, it’s not your fault you’re infected with STDs, it’s our fault — it’s society’s fault — for not being wonderful, generous, tolerant, permissive, open and loving enough!”

    Mark (71f7cb)

  122. No FC, you are making a suggestion that reveals a lie. As I said, typical sex ed does ignore the virtues of waiting until old enough to be responsible for your actions. One may not need to ignore “the virtues of finding true love”, but in fact they do.
    Besides, the virtues of finding true love are not the issue, the virtues of having self control to live within your ability to be responsible are.
    Lastly, if you knew much about health education as an academic topic, you would know that “imparting information” is an inadequate goal. If you want to tell someone about ways to behave that will improve their life, you want to do it in a way that also motivates them to act on the information.
    Of course, if one only wants to give the appearance about caring a dam*, then actually motivating people is not necessary.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  123. I *do*, however, care very deeply about, and object to, the government spending my money on attempts to normalize BDSM with minors involved.

    As an adjunct to that, there are quite a few Americans — more common today than in the past — who proudly proclaim their economic conservatism while saying they’re also socially, culturally liberal. IOW, they’re the ones who coined or admire the tagline of “it’s the economy, stupid!” But they either willfully or inadvertently ignore the corollary to that, which is that stable families are more likely to nurture stable children, who, in turn, are more likely to be productive citizens, who, in turn, are more likely to support a healthy economy.

    Mark (71f7cb)

  124. Fred had always had a thing for redheads, so when he saw the Irish Retriever in the window of teh pet shop…

    Colonel Haiku (00d3da)

  125. 120. There are more black babies aborted in NYC than born. The Bronx graduates 37% of its survivors from HS, despite passing everyone with a pulse who sort of attends.

    Outside SF there is no more progressive lacuna in these Disunited States.

    Where do you get your ‘data’?

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  126. I do not know much about the “50 Shades of Grey” phenomenon, nor do I want to,
    but I did see a headline quote from the female star of the movie, saying the role is easy (possible?) for her because she is “shameless”.
    “Shameless” as a positive trait?
    There are better and more loving ways to motivate than shaming, but still, “forgetting how to blush”, i.e., being shameless, is seen as the ultimate level of debauchery and fallenness.
    And that is what people now aspire to.
    Sowing to the wind, we will reap the whirlwind.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  127. They don’t “embarrass easy”, MD. We’ve known that for quite sometime.

    Colonel Haiku (00d3da)

  128. Indeed, Colonel.

    In fact, we have already been reaping the whirlwind for quite some time, syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes (remember herpes, that was actually considered a major problem at one point in time), HPV, HIV…
    Not to mention the social (read many, many individual examples) devastation of children (attempting) to grow up without intact families, with the accompanying poverty and elevated crime rates.
    We humans find ways to try to live with the consequences without getting some sense and reality just keeps hitting us harder.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  129. Comment by Former Conservative (6e026c) — 3/2/2014 @ 8:48 am

    I have no idea what Bristol was taught about sex.

    Bristol Palin got pregnant on purpose, according to Levi Johnston. She felt there was something wrong with her mother having a child.

    She hadn’t stopped talking about having a baby since her brother Trig had arrived two weeks before. Earlier than that, actually. Before her mom had even announced her own pregnancy. When she started talking about it, I asked her about birth control, but she assured me that everything was safe. I only half believed her. I have to admit that the thought of me making a little one always lit me up. with Bristol, who I loved, I wasn’t paying as much attention as I should have.

    – Deer in the Headlights: My Life in Sarah Palin’s Crosshairs by Levi Johnston. (Simon and schuster – Touchstone book) page 78.

    And later on, when they got back together, for a while, she was going to do it again, but her family broke them up before it could happen.

    Sammy Finkelman (7072ea)

  130. Yeah, let’s admit Levi’s account into evidence.

    I think dismissing the charge against abstinence and moving on works even better.

    Beyoncé does nothing to me.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  131. MD,

    On a side not, regarding abstinence and your comment, “Shameless” as a positive trait?, it’s easy to see where shame in our society has evolved to have a negative and self-debilitating connotation. This is the modern age. At one time, shame was a commonly-held tenet by society that kept a certain moral standard in tact. Of course, it had it’s negative consequences, too, as the church and the self-righteous could be brutal to the populous who dared or fell into behaviors that invited public scorn or shunning.. However, there was also a positive impact as well by a people who agreed to maintaining said standards.

    My point, with regard to this conversation is that shame was a valuable motivator and honored quality. For example, at one point in time, there would not be tv shows chronicling the lives of pregnant unwed teens as we now have. Not saying that these shows intentionally glorify the young ladies’ predicaments, but by default that they are on television and a show revolves around their lives, it does indeed glorify them at another level. At one time, the pendulum swung so far one way that unwed pregnant girls were cruelly shunned and/or sent away and now we see the pendulum having swung to the other extreme, with television shows created around their plight.

    Shame has been greatly diminished and devalued in our modern culture. Something has been lost. On the other hand, love covers a multitude of sins.

    Dana (9a8f57)

  132. What a disgusting verbal display by that tramp.
    Sick to my stomach, I am.

    mg (31009b)

  133. At one time, the pendulum swung so far one way that unwed pregnant girls were cruelly shunned and/or sent away and now we see the pendulum having swung to the other extreme, with television shows created around their plight.

    It’s fascinating that censors at NBC back in the early 1960s forbade the then-host of the Tonight Show, Jack Parr, from using the phrase “water closet,” meaning toilet. Prior to that, famous actress Ingrid Bergman was ostracized by Hollywood, no less — and not merely, say, religious fundamentalists in the South — for having a child out of wedlock.

    Around that era, Lucy and Ricky couldn’t be shown sharing a bed, as the TV character of Lucy, when finding out she was pregnant, certainly couldn’t say or use the word “pregnant.”

    Human nature must be prone to a lack of balance or common sense, and even with the 1950s or early 1960s in mind — or the corrupt nature of today’s Sharia-law Islamism in particular — liberal instincts tend to squash traits of tried-and-true stability and logic far more than conservative ones.

    Mark (71f7cb)

  134. Yes, appropriate shame has a very valid and important function in the lives of individuals and society,
    but forgiving love is and should be more powerful than even appropriate shame.
    Then there is inappropriate shaming, such as “you’re so stupid”, which is never helpful.

    Sexuality should be celebrated, not made a shameful thing. Dynamite should also be celebrated for things like making a way for roads and buildings. Sex, like dynamite, is a powerful thing that needs to be used appropriately. Pretty common sense, actually.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  135. The Army Rangers (I believe) have a saying that “very few problems cannot be overcome with the proper application of high-explosives”, I do not believe that also applies to sex.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  136. Comment by Sammy Finkelman (7072ea) — 3/2/2014 @ 10:03 am

    Sammy, friends don’t let friends believe anything that LJ was paid to say. In fact, I’m tempted to ask for you to be suspended from posting for a week as a loving reproof for reminding us of the person’s presence in the public spotlight.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  137. askeptic, metaphors always have their limits, upon that we agree.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  138. forgiving love is and should be more powerful than even appropriate shame.

    I would say to the one walking in humbleness before their Marker, appropriate shame is always coupled with forgiving love. It is the end result of such a relationship uncluttered by pride and self-righteousness.

    Dana (9a8f57)

  139. 139- With that attitude Dana, you’ll never succeed in the Self-Esteem Movement/s.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  140. If you are making a judgement call on those of us who object to the S&M bit of this, please stand corrected: I don’t care what consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes.

    Dana mostly what i was reflecting on in my head is how conservative these friends of mine are. They grow their own foozles (and will lecture you about how tomatoes are not “real food” for in case of emergency”) and they support Rs except they preferred Mr. Ron Paul to the Team R nominee last time. They hate unions. They’re enthusiastic gun owners and users. They’re sexually uninhibited and they have good teeth and a strong sense of family.

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  141. oops there’s a stray quotation thingy there after emergency

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  142. but forgiving love is and should be more powerful than even appropriate shame.

    I think one should be balanced against the other. The sentiment tilted in the direction you’re displaying would make sense to me if we were living decades ago or in a society where the person described below had the upper hand.

    Emotions of compassion!, compassion!, compassion! have grown so wildly out of proportion over the past few decades in the US — throughout the Western World — that there’s no lack of forgiveness or love floating around out there. If anything, the gut reactions behind that are so absurdly unchecked, that no less than the US military today is affected by them too. Instances of army chaplains being censored for merely stating Biblical references, or booths for the military (or FBI or CIA) being set up at Gay Pride events in DC to promote a branch of government, or, most notoriously, pro-Islamic, anti-US sympathizers enlisted in the US military being tolerated until it’s too late.

    Meanwhile, the irony of left-leaning impulses and people who are most infected with them is well illustrated by the following. Irony so thick it can’t be cut with even the sharpest of knives.

    nypost.com via drudgereport.com, March 2: Even as the Obama administration denounced what it called anti-gay legislation in Arizona and the president sat out the Sochi Olympics because of Russia’s crackdown on same-sex couples, the State Department allowed an Islamic preacher who called for the death penalty for homosexuals into the country for a tour of hate.

    Sheikh Mohammad Rateb al-Nabulsi was issued a visa for a 17-city tour of US mosques to raise money and support for the Syrian uprising. He arrived New Year’s Day.

    The radical Syrian cleric has made no secret of his virulent anti-gay views. Appearing April 28, 2011, on al Aqsa TV, the official network of the Hamas terrorist organization in Gaza, al-Nabulsi said: “Homosexuality involves a filthy place and does not generate offspring. Homosexuality leads to the destruction of the homosexual. That is why, brothers, homosexuality carries the death penalty.”

    In addition to his anti-gay pronouncements, Sheikh al-Nabulsi has publicly endorsed holy war against Westerners and Jews as well as suicide bombings against Israel, America’s democratic ally in the region.

    The Muslim leader came to the United States for a fundraising tour for a newly formed coalition of radical Islamist militias fighting Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad.

    Mark (71f7cb)

  143. This video looks like a really good tool for every single dad out there who has been dreading having the BDSM talk with his 12 year old..

    Seriously though, my experiences with persons who seemed sadistic have led me to believe that sadists are an untrustworty bunch and if a sadist ties you up, you are about to find out how sadistic they can be.

    The saying “very few problems cannot be overcome with the proper application of high-explosives” applies nicely to sadists

    steveg (794291)

  144. I have no idea what Bristol was taught about sex.

    So what was the point of bringing her up then?

    JD (17f05f)

  145. you’re not likely to end up with 100% perfect chastity and fidelity,

    Therefore, we shouldn’t even bother. Just skip right to BDSM

    JD (17f05f)

  146. Comment by Mark (71f7cb) — 3/2/2014 @ 12:25 pm

    Such an uproar over Phil Robertson, and he didn’t even hint about incarceration, let alone the death penalty.
    And the media is where??? Lots of people seem to have no shame these days.

    “luv” is different from “Love”. What the world has a lot of these days is luv, there is no need of forgiveness because nothing is wrong.

    Love forgives the sinner while requiring sin be acknowledged and repented of.
    Luv means there is no sin, no shame, so nothing to forgive.
    Not that I’m arguing with you, don’t mean to be, just trying to clarify my intention behind my words.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  147. Comment by steveg (794291) — 3/2/2014 @ 12:37 pm

    Yes!
    “Man On Fire” comes to mind.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  148. Therefore, we shouldn’t even bother. Just skip right to BDSM

    Comment by JD (17f05f) — 3/2/2014 @ 1:07 pm

    Fetishists always seem to find each other.

    Do you remember that sick furry commenting at Protein Wisdom?

    I can never tell whether they’re serious or not. I can’t tell whether this young woman is serious or a parody. BDSM is all about trust until someone gets hurt, then it’s an episode on Law and Order: SVU.

    Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157 (f7d5ba)

  149. 137. Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 3/2/2014 @ 10:59 am

    Sammy, friends don’t let friends believe anything that LJ was paid to say.

    You can tell from the book, he’s not being very frank and clear about his subsequent career after the concllusion of the Presidential campaign – although it sounds like he got talked into doing things because he needed a lot of money to pay for child support.

    However, the part about his life till the end of the Presidential campaign doesn’t look made up, and it doesn’t even look like he took any real causeless jibes at the Palin family, or that he’s hiding anything about that part of his life.

    There’s some minor self-protection in that part of the book, but not much. There’s nothing particularly sensational in there.

    Page 84:

    There was no talk of abortion. Sarah would later say that she told Bristol it was her choice and her daughter made the right one. Frank Baily in his book, Blind allegiance to Sarah Palin said Sarah told him the same thing. That’s total fiction, although Sarah might be deluding herself or just doesn’t know the truth. Bristol got pregnant on purpose. She had finally come clean, admitted to me she hadn’t been taking her birth control pills. We were having a baby, end of story. I wonder why Sarah felt the need to claim other options were considered.

    Of course Sarah Palin wasn’t really claiming hat anyway. she was claiming it was an accident. LJ writes that’s actually not the case.

    There was no considering any other options; Bristol had been trying to have a baby.

    – – Deer in the Headlights: My Life in Sarah Palin’s Crosshairs by Levi Johnston. (Simon and Schuster – Touchstone book) conclusion of Chapter 6, on the bottom of page 84.

    This could maybe have been the big headline of the book – but it’s not the headline. That wasn’t put in to sell the book. It’s not even mentioned on the dust jacket!

    Levi Johnston put that in the book himself, and the publisher apparently was afraid maybe people wouldn’t believe it, and doesn’t hype it at all.

    And I don’t think any interview where he might have said that became famous.

    You heard it here first.

    It’s in the book only because it is true.

    Sammy Finkelman (081278)

  150. 145. Comment by JD (17f05f) — 3/2/2014 @ 1:05 pm

    I have no idea what Bristol was taught about sex.

    So what was the point of bringing her up then

    Bristol Palin is supposed to be the poster child of unplanned pregnancy.

    Actually, like so many other teenage girls who got pregnant, she did it on purpose.

    And more education by Planned Parenthood obviously wouldn’t stop that.

    Sammy Finkelman (081278)

  151. I have a procedural question before I make any comments on this topic as relates to our nation’s youth. Will there be trophies?

    elissa (d3e2a4)

  152. You can have Christoph’s scalp. I’ll tan it and hang it on your coup stick for you.

    nk (dbc370)

  153. Sammy Finkelman,

    I don’t really see how Bristol Palin is pertinent to this thread, but I will say no one, save Bristol Palin, knows whether she intentionally attempted to get pregnant or not.

    Dana (9a8f57)

  154. Bristol Palin is supposed to be the poster child of unplanned pregnancy.

    What? Who decided that? And seriously, a “poster child” for unplanned pregnancy?

    Dana (9a8f57)

  155. Sammah never ceases to amaze.

    JD (17f05f)

  156. Sammy, what demographic in NYC is the most affected by unplanned pregnancy? Does Bristol Palin fit that profile.

    Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157 (f7d5ba)

  157. Sammy’s brain went the way of his sperm count!

    Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157 (f7d5ba)

  158. Levi like Tommy Boy Maduro, probably can’t spell his name, but he signed on to whatever his agents, who
    were Alaska’s versions of the ‘justice brothers’
    Sharpton and Maddox, put on paper,

    narciso (3fec35)

  159. I’m sorry to say it but Bristol’s ill-timed predicament was a significant thorn in Palin’s candidacy for the vice presidency.

    elissa (d3e2a4)

  160. Sammy, that was among your mote bizarre nonsequiturs.

    SPQR (768505)

  161. Quite an accomplishment as SF has set a pretty high bar for himself.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  162. Sammy Finkelman
    Never ceases to amaze
    goes Full Malaka

    Colonel Haiku (00d3da)

  163. Sammy,
    Maybe you should ask our advice about the books you read. Really, LJ was not worth your time.

    Hear ya go, two books I’m reading and finding it difficult to wade through:
    Where the Conflict Really Lies: Science, Religion, and Naturalism; Plantinga, Oxford Press
    Mind and Cosmos: Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature Is Almost Certainly False; Nagel (BTW, Nagel in the worst way does not like the concept of God, he doesn’t know what to replace the materialist neo-darwinian world view with, but he is about as convinced as one can be that it is inadequate to describe reality)

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  164. Not a scene I’m into but this chick could definitely use a gag.

    Glenn (647d76)

  165. hf

    you have interesting and unique friends.
    what a blessing that is.

    steveg (794291)

  166. yes yes it really is

    but my parents did too

    so…

    it’s a thing

    I don’t understand it

    but for sure it’s a thing

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  167. Mom, Dad, I want you to meet the father of your grandchild, Sh*t for Brains. And the rest of him is no bargain either.

    You mean that sort of on purpose Samster?

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  168. Daughter comes home from school and, angrily, goes up up to her father and says: “Dad, today we had sex education at school and I found out that you lied to me. You told me that if I had sex before I got married, my boyfriend would die”. Her father looks at her and says, “I didn’t lie to you, honey. He will. Yes, he will.”

    nk (dbc370)

  169. I have no idea what Bristol was taught about sex. I’m simply saying people have sex and get pregnant as a result. Condoms help with the whole pregnancy and disease prevention thing, when used. Knowing about condoms doesn’t guarantee use, either.

    Comment by Former Conservative (6e026c) — 3/2/2014 @ 8:48 am

    No, condoms do not prevent many common STDs, like Herpes and HPV. And while we’re at it, love alone will not sustain a marriage since there will be times that a person will not “feel” in love with their spouse. There has to be commitment as well. Marriage cannot just be a contract to survive, it has to be a covenant too.

    I do not see how BSDM can be good for a marriage when you are trying to hurt or subjugate the other person for your pleasure. In the past people who wanted to hurt others or themselves were considered psychologically compromised and needed help. True love (not Eros love) wants the best for their partner and tolerance approves a person and doesn’t approve of harmful behavior by or to that person.

    Tanny O'Haley (c0a74e)

  170. FC said //and you’re not likely to end up with 100% perfect chastity and fidelity, and even if you did, knowing how to use condoms can still be useful.//

    I’ve been with only one man (who I am married to). We’ve used hundreds of condoms. I guess that I’m proof that knowledge of condoms can be useful, even in those cases of 100% fidelity.

    MD said //As I said, typical sex ed does ignore the virtues of waiting until old enough to be responsible for your actions. //

    Should school sex ed programs be responsible for teaching that? I would think that’s a parent’s job.

    Tanny said // And while we’re at it, love alone will not sustain a marriage since there will be times that a person will not “feel” in love with their spouse. There has to be commitment as well.//

    I absolutely agree. The whole point of making any sort of promise and commitment is that you’re locked into doing it even when it isn’t easy to do.

    But, I don’t expect teens to learn that kind of thing from a sex ed video either.

    Miss Tified (72ac6e)

  171. Overall, this video is well done as a fun and funny introduction to BDSM practices and principles. I’ve been involved in the BDSM community for over 10 years. Practiced correctly, BDSM is all about building trust between partners. People, especially women, frequently get themselves into bad situations when they first start experimenting with BDSM practices. Hopefully this video will help.

    Every city in America has a BDSM community. People in the community come from all walks of life and most are intelligent, high-functioning and successful members of society. I am an attorney and business owner, a respected member of my community, have raised highly successful kids, coached kids sports teams, chaperoned school trips–the whole gamut. I’ve met doctors, lawyers, accountants, engineers, artists, teachers, bankers, executives, lots and lots of cops, and even pastors who are involved in the BDSM community. If you don’t live under a rock then you have almost certainly interacted with members of the BDSM community many times when they are in their day job and you were never the wiser. We don’t tattoo BDSM on our forehead.

    People in the BDSM community may have certain proclivities that are not within the confines of what is considered “normal” in the vanilla world, but we are not perverts and neither you nor your kids are in danger around us. Consent and respect are two foundational principles of BDSM practices and most of us carry those principles into our daily life.

    And since this is a political blog I will note that most of the people I have met in the community would fit nicely into the libertarian wing of the conservative spectrum, precisely the target audience of this blog. I have never met a lefty-liberal in the BDSM community–tell me that’s not a big bonus! And if you do meet a lefty-liberal in the BDSM community you may well get to whip him or her–an even bigger bonus!!

    Live and let live, folks. What I do behind closed doors is my business, not yours.

    Guest (930560)

  172. Overall, this video is well done as a fun and funny introduction to BDSM practices and principles.

    There are things I like about Laci Green (she’s anti-child-torture and mutilating-sexual-abuse, aka, circumcision) and things I don’t like.

    One problem I had with this video is she said, full stop, there is no correlation with BDSM and prior trauma. I grant you that some people just like BDSM and I posited a reason why this might be so above (the human nervous system and how a minor pain can cause a subsequent pleasure to feel more intense … plus I’m sure there’s simply something great about being bound by someone you trust while being pleasured).

    However, Laci Green is wrong. There is strong evidence that being hit as a child, as in spanking, increases the incidence of BDSM later in life — including the more extreme practices of it.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  173. MD said //As I said, typical sex ed does ignore the virtues of waiting until old enough to be responsible for your actions. //

    Should school sex ed programs be responsible for teaching that? I would think that’s a parent’s job.
    Comment by Miss Tified (72ac6e) — 3/3/2014 @ 11:05 am

    I would think that any adult who has influence on children (of any age) should emphasize the connection between actions and consequences and the need for personal responsibility.
    If you want to raise children in an amoral environment, you get amoral adults.
    Hence, the problem.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  174. We’ve all been telling Obama the safeword, but Barack still refuses to unbind the country. We should have at least met him in public for a cup of coffee before aggreeing to go back to his apartment for kinky times.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  175. However, Laci Green is wrong. There is strong evidence that being hit as a child, as in spanking, increases the incidence of BDSM later in life — including the more extreme practices of it.

    Comment by Former Conservative (6e026c) — 3/3/2014 @ 12:36 pm

    The problem with this statement is that most of the psychiatric community does not differentiate between spanking for the purposes of discipline and burning the bottom of a child’s feet with a cigarette or beating a child unconscious. There is a difference. My step father used to beat me until he tired of hitting me. He beat and sexually molested my sister.

    I’m offended when what my sister and I went through is made equivalent to spanking. It is not the same. For years I struggled with stuttering and I still struggle with the thought that everything just might be my fault. I still have problems with people yelling at me and even at others. I feel that panic, that pain in my heart and I’m an adult. I’m 57 years old. To say spanking is the same as abuse is to make little of, to denigrate abuse.

    BDSM is not normal and should not be taught to anyone. It defiles the act and intimacy of sex. These people are hurting our children and should be stopped and NEVER supported with tax dollars.

    Tanny O'Haley (c0a74e)


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