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2/8/2014

Woody Allen Responds

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 12:24 pm

As you all probably know, one week ago Dylan Farrow went public with her story of Woody Allen’s alleged sexual assault on her:

What’s your favorite Woody Allen movie? Before you answer, you should know: when I was seven years old, Woody Allen took me by the hand and led me into a dim, closet-like attic on the second floor of our house. He told me to lay on my stomach and play with my brother’s electric train set. Then he sexually assaulted me. He talked to me while he did it, whispering that I was a good girl, that this was our secret, promising that we’d go to Paris and I’d be a star in his movies. I remember staring at that toy train, focusing on it as it traveled in its circle around the attic. To this day, I find it difficult to look at toy trains.

Woody Allen has now responded:

TWENTY-ONE years ago, when I first heard Mia Farrow had accused me of child molestation, I found the idea so ludicrous I didn’t give it a second thought. We were involved in a terribly acrimonious breakup, with great enmity between us and a custody battle slowly gathering energy. The self-serving transparency of her malevolence seemed so obvious I didn’t even hire a lawyer to defend myself. It was my show business attorney who told me she was bringing the accusation to the police and I would need a criminal lawyer.

I naïvely thought the accusation would be dismissed out of hand because of course, I hadn’t molested Dylan and any rational person would see the ploy for what it was. Common sense would prevail.

I don’t see how I can add anything to the analysis, but I thought I would create this post for y’all to discuss it.

109 Responses to “Woody Allen Responds”

  1. these people need to shush and not blither blather about their tawdry family business

    I just don’t care about any of these people

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  2. nuttin’ from nuttin’, but that Ronan kid sure looks like Frank.

    Colonel Haiku (9a60c9)

  3. It’s a shame the Catholic Church didn’t have their priests direct movies. Then they’d have all of Hollywood supporting the priests, just like they support Woody Allen and Roman Polanski.

    Woody Allen’s next movie will be “Little Orphan Annie Hall”

    Chuck Bartowski (11fb31)

  4. Wonder what Soon-Yi is thinking right now…

    I noticed that Ms. Farrow says babysitters testified that Woody Allen behaved in an inappropriate manner toward her.
    For some reason the thought of that testimony intrigues me

    steveg (794291)

  5. hf
    Agreed except for child abuse. I do care because of the thought that over the years mothers have sent their little girls to have roles in Woody Allens movies. They should not let Allen be alone with their children

    steveg (794291)

  6. That is one sick rookery. The poor kids. A dirty little pervert and an addle-pated Hollywood floozie. If there ever were an argument that adoption rules are too lax.

    I believe Dylan. Woody Allen has no credibility with any rational person. Neither does Mia Farrow. They should both be put in a large sack and thrown into the sea to drown. The Turks used to include cats (that would try to scratch their way out) but I don’t think we should do that to innocent animals.

    nk (dbc370)

  7. Hey, remember when a bunch of hollywood directors signed a petition in support of Roman Polanski? Sure you do.

    Would you be surprised to find out Woody Allen signed the petition? Sure you aren’t.

    Speaking of tiny alleged pervs, Brett Kimberlin is trying to get another injunction to shut me up again. I will post on that monday.

    Aaron "Worthing" Walker (23789b)

  8. I can’t envision leaving children alone with Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Alan Grayson, Shirley Jackson Lee, Dick Durbin, Debbie Wasserman Schultz or any other supposed leading lights of the Pervert Party, let alone these entertainment industry sickos.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  9. I do care because of the thought that over the years mothers have sent their little girls to have roles in Woody Allens movies. They should not let Allen be alone with their children

    Comment by steveg (794291)

    a prime candidate for a severed horse head in teh bed!

    Colonel Haiku (9a60c9)

  10. Woody Allen has no credibility with any rational person. Neither does Mia Farrow.

    Responding that exact same way — ie, Allen and Farrow are both libertines who have very loose boundaries between what’s acceptable or not — caught me off guard a few days ago after reading this particular defense of Allen. The author, Robert Weide, makes a few points that stood out to me, particularly this one:

    thedailybeast.com, Robert Weide, January 27: But if Mia’s account is true, it means that in the middle of custody and support negotiations, during which Woody needed to be on his best behavior, in a house belonging to his furious ex-girlfriend, and filled with people seething mad at him, Woody, who is a well-known claustrophobic, decided this would be the ideal time and place to take his daughter into an attic and molest her, quickly, before a house full of children and nannies noticed they were both missing.

    I then started to think that Allen perhaps wasn’t such a sick bastard after all. I found myself saying, jeez, looks like the guy has been set up by a vindictive ex-girlfriend. In a way, I felt relieved about Allen’s possible innocence because even though I have very low regard for the showbiz crowd he’s a part of, I still didn’t want to believe its amorality had gotten so bad over the past 60 years that even Allen would be tolerated.

    But after a closer scrutiny of the story, I now realize it truly is the daughter’s side of the case that is the credible one. And THAT, and not the integrity of either Allen or Farrow, is what’s front and center. I’ve since learned that Allen was caught lying about the attic in Farrow’s house, originally saying he’s never been in it and then saying he was in it only briefly–after being coaxed to enter the space by his daughter. Moreover, there apparently is evidence (ie, a strand of hair) that proves he’s been in a place he originally claimed he was never in or that he’d be too claustrophobic to want to deal with.

    So if the Hollywood crowd is shrugging off claims against Allen and instead blowing kisses to him, that really confirms the worst stereotypes of such people.

    Mark (f0ef14)

  11. Pretty damning VF link from the Colonel up thread.

    Gazzer (704263)

  12. Mr. g these woody farrow people are all crazy and there’s just no way to discern what happened and even if there was

    it’s all really icky

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  13. Hollywood would defend him. After all, it’s not like he drugged her and took her from behind or something.

    Kevin M (dbcba4)

  14. This is a case of he said/ she said, which means it can never be proved, but while the law has a presumption of innocence, we don’t have to go along with that.

    But when I note that Woody Allen started an affair with Mia Farrow’s adopted daughter, legally an adult at the time but 36 years his junior, I see the kind of mentality which could be attracted to someone way too young. I am inclined to believe Dylan Farrow, even though I don’t know she’s telling the truth.

    The sickened Dana (af9ec3)

  15. Dana,

    A court did find that the accusations were true, at least to a preponderance of evidence.

    From the vanity fair article above, this link to the court’s decison

    http://www.vanityfair.com/dam/2014/02/woody-allen-1992-custody-suit.pdf

    Kevin M (dbcba4)

  16. I stopped watching Allen’s films over 30-yrs ago, and have no interest in this story.
    If true, it is just another indictment of the milieu he swims in.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  17. “TWENTY-ONE years ago, when I first heard Mia Farrow had accused me of child molestation, I found the idea so ludicrous I didn’t give it a second thought.”

    Don’t know what it means en toto but 21 years ago was immediately on the heels of the psychotherapy industry rage re: ‘repressed memory’ recovery of sexual violation.

    Such an opening to the account does not ring true and casts a shadow of doubt on the remainder.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  18. re:19… yep, gary, some pretty weird, terrible stuff came out of all of that scheiss, great GawdAlmighty!

    Colonel Haiku (9a60c9)

  19. I hate Woody Allen even more than I hate Diane Keaton. He’s a bad version of Pete Carroll of the Seattle SeaHacks and she is just a dusty canal whose head suffices for little more than a hatrack.

    Jewish angst and masturbatory guilt is not an entertaining genre for me, any more than whackadoodle white girls that just do silly chit to escape being pinned by angst-ridden sex-addicts is. But liberal tostadas just eat that crap up.

    Can’t we just shelve these two along with Merle “Haggardly” Streep and Julia “Does Any Dress Not Make My Butt Look Big” Roberts— two more libtard dahlinks.

    Oh, and while yer attit, howzabout we tie Blythe “Yogurt Breath” Danner in a burlap sack with a rat and a poisonous asp and toss her into the Po River for her sex crime (which was Gwyneth Paltrow of course).

    Mr. Wimpy's Biskit Limper (c2337a)

  20. Get down wit’ yo badself!

    Colonel Haiku (9a60c9)

  21. teh lefty wood man
    went full Roman shoulda kept
    teh Orgasmatron

    Colonel Haiku (9a60c9)

  22. Well Sleeper was good, Bananas as well, Annie Hall has some passable moments, then turtles,

    narciso (3fec35)

  23. I don’t see how I can add anything to the analysis, …

    I would think you as a prosecutor might have some experience with true and false accusations and how to tell the difference.

    James B. Shearer (878baf)

  24. 21- What the Col. said.

    mg (31009b)

  25. What we know is that Allen and Farrow are deeply disturbed people and that the young lady is also well on her way to that same status.

    Everything else is speculation but Allen’s actions over the past decades don’t tend to cast him in a positive light and don’t tend to make people assume innocence in situations like this…

    WarEagle82 (b18ccf)

  26. moral for day is
    don’t look for good behavior
    where decadence reigns

    Colonel Haiku (9a60c9)

  27. everyone involved should express their feelings in the form of an interpretive dance and then they can all perform their individual dances at a mall in Akron next weekend

    it’s all about closure

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  28. While the precise cause of Dylan’s complaint remains unexplained it looks to me like Woody Allen is telling the truth.

    Points in his favor:

    1) This is the only allegation of molesting a girl before puberty against him. But no one starts this at the age of 57, and during a acrimonious custody battle, at the home turf of the mother, with half a dozen people present in the house.

    2) The first time she was taken to a doctor by Mia, Dylan denied it.

    3) Her brother, Moses, said that Dylan looked forward to seeing Woody, which should not have happened if he did this more than one time, as she now claims.

    4) Mia claimed this took place in an attic (Mia had to find a place nobody would be because she couldn’t find a time nobody would be around) but Woody Allen was known for being a major claustrophobe.

    For this to be true, Woody Allen would therefore have had to be faking his claustrophobia all these years, and there would have to be other cases.

    Woody speculated Mia picked the attic as the location because of the Dory Previn song “With My Daddy in the Attic,” which which she should have bene very familiar.

    5) Mia called Woody Allen’s sister in a rage and said, “He took my daughter, now I’ll take his.” and Woody never saw her again since, nor was he
    able to speak with her, no matter how hard he tried. (This is Woody’s version of the facts, of course.)

    6) Mia tried to get a woman named Stacey Nelkin, to lie 21 years ago, and say she was underage when Woody first began “dating” her. (She came forward in 2014 to report that.)

    7) While this is of limited validity, Woody took a lie detector test and passed, and Mia refused to take one.

    8. Mia gave consent a few months ago for a film clip of herself to be used to honor Woody Allenm at the Golden Globes, and would she have done it if she believed the allegations to be true??

    But this would mean Dylan raised the issue now, not Mia, which is not that likely if she knew it was a lie, which raises the question why does Dylan think it is true?

    Or maybe

    B) You could also argue Mia’s agent did this.

    Or

    C) you could say for some reason Mia’s anger at Woody Allen got reignited, or she decied to undermine his credibility.

    Or

    D) There is the issue of the parentage of Satchel, now called Ronan. Ronan, apparently on his own, said his father was really Frank Sinatra. I think that preceded this. Woody Allen seems to think now it might be true. Mia may have wanted to back up her son, and enlisted Dylan to undermine anything Woody said. Woody says now he does look a lot like Frank with the blue eyes and facial features, but if so it means that Mia lied under oath during the custody hearings and falsely represented Ronan as Woody’s son in addition to being secretly intimate Frank Sinatra with him during our years.

    Now that Ronan brought this up, Mia may have wanted people not to give Woody Allen the time of day, or to distract people with another issue, because maybe it is true Frank Sinatra fathered her son!

    9) The Child Sexual Abuse Clinic of the Yale-New Haven Hospital evaluated this then – and they had to deal with both true allegations and phony oneshat adults got cvhildren to say, and tghey concluded this was false, and they didn’t know if Dylan started this on her own or Mia did.

    10) He and Soon-Yi Previn adopted two children, and the people who let that happen had to not believe this.

    Sammy Finkelman (f2d620)

  29. “TWENTY-ONE years ago, when I first heard Mia Farrow had accused me of child molestation, I found the idea so ludicrous I didn’t give it a second thought.”

    Comment by gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 2/8/2014 @ 3:14 pm

    Don’t know what it means en toto but 21 years ago was immediately on the heels of the psychotherapy industry rage re: ‘repressed memory’ recovery of sexual violation.

    Such an opening to the account does not ring true and casts a shadow of doubt on the remainder.

    This is precisely why Woody Allen may have thought nobody would take the allegation seriously. Or at least had no worries this could gte him into legal trouble.

    And Woody Allen backs up this claim by saying he did not hire a criminal attorney until his show business attorney told him he needed to.

    Sammy Finkelman (f2d620)

  30. that was powerful and compelling Mr. mg

    cathartic

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  31. 15. Comment by The sickened Dana (af9ec3) — 2/8/2014 @ 2:48 pm

    But when I note that Woody Allen started an affair with Mia Farrow’s adopted daughter, legally an adult at the time but 36 years his junior, I see the kind of mentality which could be attracted to someone way too young.

    Way too young, but past puberty. Way too young, but just at the age when women are most perfectly formed.

    The same person attracted to Soon-Yi would not be attracted to a 7-year old child, nor do child molesters generally have any interest in adult women, especially adult women who would create trouble for him.

    All points go in favor fo Woody Allen except the reason why Dylan is doing this.

    The best idea may be that Dylan was roped into this again now by her mother, who wanted to create a distraction from Ronan going public that Frank Sinatra was his father.

    Because Woody’s paternity could be tested, and if Frank Sinatra is indeed the father, I don’t think Mia Farrow wants that.

    Sammy Finkelman (f2d620)

  32. I do not operate in these people’s world. I hope I never do.

    http://thefederalist.com/2014/02/05/god-complex-why-hollywood-thinks-sex-crimes-are-no-big-deal/

    Playwright Leonard Gershe, though a friend of Mia Farrow’s, was able to explain this seemingly Nietzschean phenomenon flawlessly:

    Woody Allen is a chilling figure of power, a potentate of reel life who doesn’t seem to have to play by the rules. “This man is so exalted in the business—no one has the position he has. . . . I think when you get up into that stratosphere you no longer have to pay attention to the law of gravity. Regular morals, conscience, ethics—that’s for slobs like you and me.” The effect, says Gershe, “spills over into real life. He’s treated like a little god, and little gods don’t have to do what everybody else does.”

    On the other hand, Allen is welcome to operate in my world. Maybe I’ll take him ‘gator hunting.

    Steve57 (71fc09)

  33. “Woody Allen is a chilling figure of power?”!!!!

    WTFO!!!

    Steve57 (71fc09)

  34. 36. 37. That all can be true, and can explain him going after Soon-Yi, but does not create a motive or a desire for him to molest 7 year old Dylan, and that relationship, in fact, creates a counterargument.

    Sammy Finkelman (f2d620)

  35. in the movie Oldboy by a director named Spike Lee what nobody saw there’s this one dad what puts the bad touch on his kids and then this guy what inadvertently exposes him gets kidnapped for like a hundred years and then when he gets out he’s all about seeking vengeance and he meets this girl who helps him and together they figure out who it was that kidnapped him and then the kidnapper kills himself but not before he reveals Surprise Twist Revelations what cause vengeance guy to voluntarily remit himself back into captivity.

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  36. “TWENTY-ONE years ago, when I first heard Mia Farrow had accused me of child molestation, I found the idea so ludicrous I didn’t give it a second thought.”

    This is, of course, an outright lie since the accusations were part of a contested child custody case.

    Kevin M (dbcba4)

  37. You’re a brave man, Sammeh, to jump into this sexual firestorm. But I never doubted you would and that you would have formed strong opinions on the Allen-Farrow matters.

    elissa (99f483)

  38. you know what these people need?

    Rorschach tests

    oodles and oodles of Rorschach tests

    and maybe some tasty pasta salad

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  39. Comment by elissa (99f483) — 2/8/2014 @ 5:59 pm

    Yeah.

    nk (dbc370)

  40. TWENTY-ONE years ago, when I first heard Mia Farrow had accused me of child molestation, I found the idea so ludicrous I didn’t give it a second thought.”

    Kevin M.

    This is, of course, an outright lie since the accusations were part of a contested child custody case

    He may mean that he didn’t worry much about it, and thought it would not go anywhere, and wouild fall of its own weight.

    He also may have thought it would hurt Mia Farrow’s case, and that she would quickly drop the allegation as soon as she saw that.

    It may be an exaggeration to say he didn’t give it a second’s thought. The point seems to be he didn’t immediately hire a criminal defense attorney (which presumably, is a public fact)

    I don’t think this detracts much from the rest of what he says. People do slant things a little b=it without the whole thing being a lie.

    Sammy Finkelman (f2d620)

  41. That was awesome, mg!

    Colonel Haiku (9a60c9)

  42. 4) Mia claimed this took place in an attic (Mia had to find a place nobody would be because she couldn’t find a time nobody would be around) but Woody Allen was known for being a major claustrophobe.

    No, Sammy, Allen was caught lying about something as basic to his side of the story — and his claim of innocence — as where the act of molestation allegedly occurred. Moreover, his always trying to steer the conversation away from what Dylan is saying to what Mia Farrow may or may not be saying, or may have said, or may have done or may be doing — in and of itself — doesn’t reflect well on the guy.

    In all likelihood, Allen is a perv and guilty as described.

    Mark (f0ef14)

  43. Col.-that hound has better moves than I ever will.

    mg (31009b)

  44. 47. Second.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  45. Train I ride…sixteen coaches long..except in the attic..the Anne Frankly attic..the one where I get my genius on..get my freak black n white genius on motherfuckers

    pdbuttons (f79f91)

  46. But after a closer scrutiny of the story, I now realize it truly is the daughter’s side of the case that is the credible one. And THAT, and not the integrity of either Allen or Farrow, is what’s front and center. I’ve since learned that Allen was caught lying about the attic in Farrow’s house, originally saying he’s never been in it and then saying he was in it only briefly–after being coaxed to enter the space by his daughter. Moreover, there apparently is evidence (ie, a strand of hair) that proves he’s been in a place he originally claimed he was never in or that he’d be too claustrophobic to want to deal with.

    Some of the other comments deal with this issue.

    Sorry, the circumstances under which this is alleged to have taken place just seem so utterly whack that, yeah, I can see a complete loon doing it, but… there’s no evidence of that.

    I happen to agree with Sammy on this — the only doubtful point is #9, which is suggested as potentially ineffective by the Vanity Fair article’s list.

    I believe this is a clear case of everything that the “repressed memories” brouhaha of the 1990s showed — children in the 4-7 age range can have their memories warped by stories told them, even up to and including things that any adult would immediately grasp is not just unlikely but physically impossible without some kind of serious evidence remaining, for example, a five year old might state, and completely believe, the claim “And then he pushed the two liter bottle into me…” I doubt if that’s even possible, but even if it somehow were, it ain’t happening without recognizable damage.

    Mia had DECADES in which to place inaccurate memories in Dylan’s head, and to reinforce them anytime she (Dylan) questioned them.

    Don’t know what it means en toto but 21 years ago was immediately on the heels of the psychotherapy industry rage

    21 years ago was in the middle of it, not the end. And one might readily not be aware of anything about it at that point, esp. if one lived in the sheltered world of Hollywood, where only the news of interest to liberals… Hey, look, Geraldine Page!

    Way too young, but past puberty. Way too young, but just at the age when women are most perfectly formed.

    35 — Sammy: The same person attracted to Soon-Yi would not be attracted to a 7-year old child, nor do child molesters generally have any interest in adult women, especially adult women who would create trouble for him.

    What strikes me as one of the better points few are making.

    I don’t say anyone knows for sure that Allen did not do anything. But at this point, I think the preponderance of the evidence suggests Allen — and the two children — are victims of a “scorned woman”s vindictively evil and soul-less attack on him as a form of revenge.

    The findings of the court are not indicative, either… they may well reflect a clearly biased court’s unquestioning acceptance of the claims made by said woman, which was very much the rage back then — ALL men were evil child molesters, and any actual claim had to be taken as utterly true and why would anyone lie about such an awful thing?. The fact that bringing charges against a celebrity like Allen would be a major feather in the cap of any DA, and presiding over one would probably not hurt the career arc of a judge, either.

    I would also note that Soon Yi is no longer the potentially impressionable and readily manipulated girl of 18, but instead a completely mature mother of two pushing 40. She is married to Allen and has been for 16 years.

    To presume she is incapable of the critical self-analysis, as a mature woman, to recognize and see, in retrospect, any manipulation of her that may have happened is to class all women as helpless victims of male predation. That’s popular with feminists, yeah — “Fuck off” if you believe that crap.

    Smock Puppet, Gadfly, Racist-Sexist Thug, and Bon Vivant All In One Package (225d0d)

  47. I would also point out that I am on record as excoriating Hollywood for its mindless support of Polanski — but anyone who has read the court transcripts knows Polanski is indisputably guilty of Drugging, Raping, and Sodomizing a 13yo girl as she begged him to stop.

    In contrast, Allen’s only accuser is a then 7yo girl who was in the clutches of a potentially vengeful woman who easily could have filled her with lies from that very early, very impressionable age onward. It is highly reasonable to consider the possibility that, while she believes it happened, in fact, not a word of it is true, and all of it was a fabrication of said woman.

    Smock Puppet, Gadfly, Racist-Sexist Thug, and Bon Vivant All In One Package (225d0d)

  48. Way too young, but past puberty. Way too young, but just at the age when women are most perfectly formed.

    Should have been part of the italicized quote immediately below it.

    This is an excellent point. Someone interested in a 7yo is unlikely to find an adult female of any real interest.

    Smock Puppet, Gadfly, Racist-Sexist Thug, and Bon Vivant All In One Package (225d0d)

  49. 35. …Way too young, but past puberty. Way too young, but just at the age when women are most perfectly formed.

    The same person attracted to Soon-Yi would not be attracted to a 7-year old child, nor do child molesters generally have any interest in adult women, especially adult women who would create trouble for him.

    All points go in favor fo Woody Allen except the reason why Dylan is doing this.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (f2d620) — 2/8/2014 @ 5:30 pm

    I’m sorry but I’ve been reading this for several hours and I finally have to ask, where the f*** did you intend this to lead?

    Steve57 (71fc09)

  50. Over and over.

    Steve57 (71fc09)

  51. Ahem, I really think this study in forensic sexual psychology is off the rails and taking dirt roads.

    Let me ask, for a reality check, what sort of lovely would be perfectly safe with those guys who molest horses?

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  52. 1) Allen is a neurotic mess whose comedic talents peaked with WHAT’S UP TIGIER LILY?

    2) Farrow has, all her life, shown signs of being a deranged dingbat.

    3) The odds that their offspring have an even passing acquaintance with reality are so small as to not be oath discussing.

    Recommendation; shove them all in a house somewhere and brick up the doors and windows. Push food in through the mail slot.

    C. S. P. Schofield (e8b801)

  53. put cameras & mics in the house, make it PPV live stream and we could pay off the national debt.

    8-)

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  54. Sammy- what’s next for you to not believe in? The sun rising in the east, or setting in the west?

    mg (31009b)

  55. 32

    … But no one starts this at the age of 57 …

    I have seen this claimed but I have my doubts. I am under the impression that sometimes older men start behaving inappropriately (sexually) particularly with family members. A kind of senility.

    James B. Shearer (878baf)

  56. Who says Allen started this at age 57? He just wasn’t outed earlier. When did he start grooming Soon Yi? He’s very smart, very rich, and very influential in certain circles. With all kinds of sycophants and enablers to cover up and clean up for him. A perfectly placed pervert.

    nk (dbc370)

  57. “But when I note that Woody Allen started an affair with Mia Farrow’s adopted daughter, legally an adult at the time but 36 years his junior, I see the kind of mentality which could be attracted to someone way too young.”

    This story has been beaten to death over at Althouse but how old was Mia when she married Sinatra and how old was he ?

    These people are too weird to ever untangle the story.

    Mike K (cd7278)

  58. The fact a women would raise a child claiming one the father while in reality another is (Ronan) — leaves me desiring physical evidence to believe anyone.

    They are all lunatic Progressives– the Sinatras, Farrow, Allen — so throw them in a zoo and give them weapons and let Darwin sort it ou.

    Rodney King's Spirit (ca9e04)

  59. I look at this stuff, and I’m reminded of the lyrics of an old country song. “Here’s a quarter. Call someone who cares.”

    A pox on all their houses.

    Skeptical Voter (12e67d)

  60. Greetings:

    My father was a cement truck driver in New York City’s construction industry. He only had six years of formal education but his concept of manhood was all I ever needed. Succinct, as was his wont, it was based on two premises, to protect and provide and the ability to tell yourself, “No.”.

    11B40 (dd140d)

  61. I don’t know who to believe — and there is absolutely no ‘proof’ of who is or isn’t telling the truth in any of the statements we’ve seen; but I will say this, Woody’s open-letter is so incredibly BADLY WRITTEN, it hardly makes a compelling case for his innocence.
    That said, we still don’t know. He would hardly be the first person to be both stupid and innocent. *cough* Zimmerman *cough*

    Icy (ef33ed)

  62. the Heart of Darkness
    beats in nebbish and goyim
    am I chopped liver?

    Colonel Haiku (70fce1)

  63. It is highly reasonable to consider the possibility that, while she believes it happened, in fact, not a word of it is true,

    If anything, a lack of benefit of the doubt is even more applicable to Allen since he’s the one who has been caught in a major lie—ie, his original claim that he never had gone into the attic in Mia Farrow’s house, because he either had no reason to be there or because his claustrophobia would have stopped him from entering that space to begin with.

    That said, we still don’t know. He would hardly be the first person to be both stupid and innocent. *cough* Zimmerman *cough*

    That attitude is why even more people in general never want to get involved, to instead shut their front doors, close their windows, and hope the outside world never intrudes upon their little bubble.

    Mark (f0ef14)

  64. Comment by 11B40 (dd140d) — 2/9/2014 @ 9:29 am

    Your father is/was smarter and wiser than 95%+ of the people that we hear commentary from these days, elected and unelected.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  65. Q. Do we even know that anybody has been in personal contact with Dylan Farrow, even to the extent of hearing her voice?

    I think all of this may have been done by e-mail.

    Nicholas Kristof wrote in his column Feb 2:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/02/opinion/sunday/kristof-dylan-farrows-story.html

    . (Full disclosure: I am a friend of her mother, Mia, and brother Ronan, and that’s how Dylan got in touch with me.) She has written a letter

    He knows Mia, and Ronan (Satchel) not Dylan.

    Dylan may not be responsible for anything that is now being circulated in her name.

    Sammy Finkelman (c08134)

  66. What is it that you think you know, Mark?

    Icy (ef33ed)

  67. 58.Comment by nk (dbc370) — 2/9/2014 @ 6:34 am

    Who says Allen started this at age 57? He just wasn’t outed earlier.

    Not too likely, as once someone is outed, other cases come to light.

    When did he start grooming Soon Yi?

    Unknown, but there’s no reason to assume it had gone on for more than two years, if that, before Mia discovered it on January 13, 1992, * when on a visit to Woody Allen’s apartment with Satchel for a therapy session, she discoverd six nude Polaroid pictures of Soon-Yi on Woody Allen’s mantel. (which he must have forgotten to take down, or perhaps she arrived a little too early)

    * From today’s New York Post article by Maureen Callaghan

    http://nypost.com/2014/02/08/woody-mia-a-greek-tragedy/

    Sammy Finkelman (c08134)

  68. He’s very smart, very rich, and very influential in certain circles. With all kinds of sycophants and enablers to cover up and clean up for him. A perfectly placed pervert.

    But the two things don’t go together.

    Stacy Nelkin, who met Woody Allen was she was 16 when he cast her in Annie Hall, and began dating him a few months later, when she was 17 (which Woody Allen used as the basis for the plot in the movie “Manhattan”) and who later had years of psychotherapy over this, is quoted in the New York Post as saying:

    What disturbs me is that Mia has tried to blur these lines — because he likes to date young women, he must have been interested in a 7-year-old. Pedophiles are compulsive. No one has accused him before, and no one has subsequently.

    Sammy Finkelman (c08134)

  69. Comment by Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/8/2014 @ 11:08 pm

    I’m sorry but I’ve been reading this for several hours and I finally have to ask, where the f*** did you intend this to lead?

    There are a lot of reasons to think the accusation is false, even if you can’t figure out exactly what prompted it.

    Woody Allen seems to beleive that Dylan is making the accusation now – I have doubts about that. I think everything may very well be only in writing and not written by her.

    I think Mia’s doing this.

    It’s being portrayed as coming from Dylan because Mia has to explain why she suddenly brought this up again. It can’t be the honors being bestowed on Woody Allen, because Mia was not disturbed by that when it first happened. (according to Woody Allen, she gave consent for a film clip of her to be used to honor him at the Golden Globes)

    So it has to be Dylan who supposedly got disturbed, because for her it would make sense to wait till this got more attention.

    BUt why is Mia doing this?

    Because Ronan went public with the idea of him being Frank Sinatra’s son and now Mia’s trying to bury the story.

    Sammy Finkelman (c08134)

  70. Interesting question:

    Why are Woody Allens’s two chidren from Soon-Yi adopted?

    Sammy Finkelman (c08134)

  71. The New York Post story reveals indiates that Woody Allen did at least pay a little attention to the accusation.

    After the accusation, which Mia Farrow claimed to have suddenly discovered on August 4, 1992 (thus giving her a reason to avoid signing a custody agreement with Woody Allen she was about to sign) she went on with the planning for her next Woody Allen movie “Manhattan Murder Mystery” like it was nothing.

    Mia also kept on with her plans to star in Allen’s next movie, “Manhattan Murder Mystery,” and placed a call to meet with the wardrobe supervisor on Aug. 9.

    “She accused me of child molestation on August 4th, right?” Allen told “60 Minutes” that November. “And August 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th — you know, the week after, she’s fully saying, ‘When do we begin our new movie? I’m going for my costume fitting next week’ . . . And I said, ‘Are you kidding? You’re accusing me of child molestation, and you think we’re just going to go on with the movie? . . . This is insane.’ ”

    Sammy Finkelman (c08134)

  72. ==Dylan may not be responsible for anything that is now being circulated in her name.
    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (c08134) — 2/9/2014 @ 12:09 pm==

    FWIW, Aammy, I don’t think Dylan’s exactly underground or being kept under wraps by Mia or being controlled. She lives in Florida with her husband, is apparently a writer, and this photo of her smiling and holding a Starbucks beverage out in the open was shot recently.

    http://www.tmz.com/2014/02/07/dylan-farrow-woody-allen-picture-photo-sexual-molestation/

    elissa (6792db)

  73. A Telegraph article claims, without going further into detail:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/10614585/Woody-Allen-sex-abuse-Why-I-want-to-believe-Dylan-Farrow.html

    And finally the question of claustrophobia, that disorder put forward as supposed “proof” by many a forum warrior that Allen could not have done it? His hair was found there. He was there. He has not denied being in the attic, he has denied doing the things Farrow accuses him of. Let’s be real: he’s claustrophobic, but he lives in New York City. He goes into small rooms all the time; they have hardly any other kind.

    Woody Allen, in his letter to the New York Times says:

    … it is a tiny, cramped, enclosed spot where one can hardly stand up and I’m a major claustrophobe. The one or two times she asked me to come in there to look at something, I did, but quickly had to run out.

    Sammy Finkelman (c08134)

  74. 71

    Because Ronan went public with the idea of him being Frank Sinatra’s son and now Mia’s trying to bury the story

    This is not the way to bury the story.

    James B. Shearer (878baf)

  75. It requires less acting skill, and less active dishonesty, to let your name be used or not interfere once it had started, than than to say things or write things yourself.

    If Dylan challenged anything her mother started, she’d be condemning her mother.

    And her mother can influence her in a variety of other ways, too.

    Sammy Finkelman (c08134)

  76. I am going to go out on a limb here and say that everybody–everybody–in that extended family knows exactly who Ronan’s real daddy is- and has known for a very long while. Ronan and Mia are perfectly fine that you are now in on the family secret.

    elissa (96e2b4)

  77. TMS , which “found” the picture of Dylan Farrow, also dug up or was directed to a 1976 People magazine interview,

    http://www.tmz.com/2014/02/05/woody-allen-12-year-old-sex-interview-pedophile/

    in which Woody Allen said: “I’m below reproach. I mean, if I was caught in a love nest with fifteen 12-year-old girls tomorrow, people would think, yeah, I always knew that about him. Nothing I could come up with would surprise anyone,” he ventures helplessly. ‘I admit to it all.’”

    Even so, the youngest age he could conceive of was 12.

    Sammy Finkelman (c08134)

  78. Maybe Mia decided it was a bad idea to go public.

    Sammy Finkelman (c08134)

  79. “Because Ronan went public with the idea of him being Frank Sinatra’s son and now Mia’s trying to bury the story.”

    Comment by James B. Shearer (878baf) — 2/9/2014 @ 1:11 pm

    This is not the way to bury the story.

    How much are we reading about this now?

    And it could be burying the story wasn’t exactly what Mia wanted, but she wanted it not to matter.

    Sammy Finkelman (c08134)

  80. According to the New York Post, the Soon-Yi story was kept secret from January 13, 1992, when Mia found out until after August 13, 1992, when Woody Allen filed for custody of three children, after, he claimed, Mia Farrow’s lawyer asked for $7 million.

    Woody Allen then leaked the filing to the press. And then both sides started leaking.

    On January 13, 1992, according to the New York Post, when Mia saw those Polaroid pictures, she called Woody and told him not to come over and went back home with Satchel. When Soon-Yi arrived she had a big argument with her, reportedly breaking a chair. Soon-Yi said then or some other time that theperson woody was sleeping with was the one with the relationship. Woody rushed over and said he would marry Soon-Yi. Mia said fine take her and go. Then Woody proposed marriage to Mia. The affair with Soon-Yi was just as small thing, probably good for her self-esteen, he said. Mia slapped his face. Then they all sat down for dinner.

    The agreement that they would have signed on August 4, 1992 (maybe not all of this could have been in writing) would have had Mia retain custody of the children with Woody geting visitation rights. They would also travel together to Europe as a family, as they did before, and keep up a public front (according to sept 1992 report in New York magazine accoridng to the New York Post today.)

    Then Mia reported something had happened that day with Dylan to her lawyer. She had Dylan videotaped (with maybe parts of it recorded over for a second take) and took her to a doctor, where Woody says she at first this story was not true.

    Sammy Finkelman (c08134)

  81. What is it that you think you know, Mark?

    Fercrissakes, icy, it’s not something that only I know about but something that anyone with more than a cursory curiosity about the details of the story will know about. Or certainly the basic yet very revealing detail that Allen, for whatever reason (but which doesn’t reflect well on him), was caught lying about something as fundamental as the location of where the molestation described by Dylan occurred.

    Mark (f0ef14)

  82. In addition to the accusation about Dylan, Mia Farrow made an accusation of physical abuse by Woody Allen against Satchel, claiming Woody Allen had threatened to break his legs and had twisted one so hard he screamed. She had a friend as a witness for this.

    She also had household help testify they saw things, which in retrospect could be interpreted as signs of sexual abuse of Dylan.

    Sammy Finkelman (c08134)

  83. Comment by Mark (f0ef14) — 2/9/2014 @ 1:49 pm

    Or certainly the basic yet very revealing detail that Allen, for whatever reason (but which doesn’t reflect well on him), was caught lying about something as fundamental as the location of where the molestation described by Dylan occurred

    Where is that? Where is the caught lie? Who reported that?

    Sammy Finkelman (c08134)

  84. FWIW, Aammy, I don’t think Dylan’s exactly underground or being kept under wraps by Mia or being controlled. She lives in Florida with her husband, is apparently a writer, and this photo of her smiling and holding a Starbucks beverage out in the open was shot recently.

    I’ve had doubts about Sammy’s reliability in the way he judges people and situations, but this particular thread has convinced me — once and for all — that previous signs of his lack of discernment (for example, his saying that Obama wasn’t a leftist, but that commentator Pat Buchanan loves blood and violence) were merely the tip of the iceberg.

    Mark (f0ef14)

  85. Mr Finkelman wrote:

    But no one starts this at the age of 57, and during a acrimonious custody battle, at the home turf of the mother, with half a dozen people present in the house.

    This argument assumes that the alleged incident was the first time Mr Allen might have molested a pre-pubescent child. It is certainly the first time Dylan Farrow claimed that he had done this to her, but that does not exclude the possibility that he has had other victims.

    The Dana who spotted the flaw (af9ec3)

  86. Mr Finkelman wrote:

    Way too young, but past puberty. Way too young, but just at the age when women are most perfectly formed.

    The same person attracted to Soon-Yi would not be attracted to a 7-year old child, nor do child molesters generally have any interest in adult women, especially adult women who would create trouble for him.

    Have you seen a picture of Soon Yi Previn? Unless “perfectly formed” means something different to you than it does to me, I wouldn’t say that the current Mrs Allen fell into that category. She was flat-chested and tiny.

    The Dana who dug up the picture. (af9ec3)

  87. Mr Finkelman wrote:

    Who says Allen started this at age 57? He just wasn’t outed earlier.

    Not too likely, as once someone is outed, other cases come to light.

    Sometimes they do, but this has been a story for only a week. And when you add to it the fact that a lot of people are defending Mr Allen at this point, other (possible) victims would have every incentive to keep quiet.

    The Dana who doesn't believe Woody Allen (af9ec3)

  88. As long as I am picking on Mr Finkelman, I’l blame him for it snowing outside, too. :)

    The Dana who blames Mr Finkelman for everything! (af9ec3)

  89. 87

    Sometimes they do, but this has been a story for only a week …

    It was also a big story 20 years ago.

    James B. Shearer (878baf)

  90. There are hairs of mine in the kitchen garbage disposal, but I’ve never been in there. Couldn’t get into it if I tried.

    My memory of the rooms of other’s homes I’ve been in is foggy, I don’t pay a lot of attention. For example, J, S, and their kids, each gave me a tour of their home (three tours), but did I see all of the rooms? I don’t know. I don’t think the kids showed me the master bedroom suite, S didn’t show me the garage or the shed, J didn’t show me the kitchen. I think. Did I see all of the house? I don’t remember any attics or basement, but there are windows on the outside of the house indicating those are there.

    For each of the three (Woody, Mia, and Dylan), I don’t know if they are telling the truth as they know it (which may or may not be the truth of what did and did not happen), lying about the truth as they know it (which may or may not be the truth of what did and did not happen), or some combination thereof. Given that there have been no other accusers before or after … not guilty.

    htom (412a17)

  91. I am going to go out on a limb here and say that everybody–everybody–in that extended family knows exactly who Ronan’s real daddy is- and has known for a very long while. Ronan and Mia are perfectly fine that you are now in on the family secret.

    Comment by elissa (96e2b4)

    itza little known fact that Ronan was once in the back of a limo, speeding out to “teh ‘Springs” when the Doors’ 1967 hit “Light My Fire” came on the stereo… he threw an empty bottle of champagne at the stereo, just like Frank did in that Summer of ’67 when his “Something Stupid” was fighting Jim Morrison for the Number 1 spot on the charts.

    I tell ya there’s something there…

    Colonel Haiku (70fce1)

  92. Between now and November, the MSM will be focusing a lot on the trials and tribulations within the celebrity culture as a means of distracting the American people from what we should be focused on—the failure of left wing policies.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  93. itza little known fact that Ronan was once in the back of a limo, speeding out to “teh ‘Springs” when the Doors’ 1967 hit “Light My Fire” came on the stereo… he threw an empty bottle of champagne at the stereo, just like Frank did in that Summer of ’67 when his “Something Stupid” was fighting Jim Morrison for the Number 1 spot on the charts.

    I tell ya there’s something there…

    Colonel Haiku (70fce1)

  94. As long as I am picking on Mr Finkelman, I’l blame him for it snowing outside, too. :)

    Now, see, I thought global warming was to blame for all that snow.

    Chuck Bartowski (11fb31)

  95. htom:

    Given that there have been no other accusers before or after … not guilty.

    Re: other accusers, maybe Allen specializes in his daughters — biological, adopted and step, in which case he has allegedly or actually targeted 2 out of 5.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  96. “in which case he has allegedly or actually targeted 2 out of 5.”

    DRJ – That we are aware of so far.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  97. I do not believe he has ever claimed to have any biological daughters.

    elissa (96e2b4)

  98. if he did though I bet they would be cray cray loonmuppets

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  99. and not very attractive

    elissa (96e2b4)

  100. As long as we are casting pearls of credence after Ronan looking so much like Sinatra lets give some to Mumbles Obama’s profound resemblance to ‘mentor’ Franklin Marshall Davis vis a vis none beyond melanin for Obama Sr.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  101. Under any version of events this was some sort of familial tragedy that decent people ought to ignore.

    Beldar (8ff56a)

  102. elissa,

    I know it can be dangerous to trust Wiki but Allen’s Wikipedia page says he and Mia Farrow had one biological child:

    Mia Farrow and Allen jointly adopted two children, Dylan Farrow (who changed her name to Eliza and later to Malone)[128] and Moshe Farrow (known as Moses); they also had one biological child, Satchel Farrow (known as Ronan Seamus Farrow).

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  103. But that child was a male, not a female, so your point is correct.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  104. So maybe I should have said 2 out of 4, not 2 out of 5. I’m having trouble keeping count with this family.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  105. One snowstorm after the other.
    Cold weather.
    They must be burning a lot of coal in China.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)


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