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1/1/2014

New Year’s Sports

Filed under: General — JD @ 10:32 am

[guest post by JD]

The NHL Winter Classic is being played in the Big House @ Michigan in front of 100,000+ people. In the snow. Outdoors. Throw-back uniforms. Great spectacle.

There are more football games than you can shake a stick at today. 2 Big 10 vs SEC matchups in the early games. The A&M vs Duke game last night was spectacular.

Which games are you following?

—JD

31 Comments

  1. Correction – 3 Big 10 vs SEC matchups right now. Unranked Nebraska vs #22 Georgia, Cornhuskers about to go up 8. Unranked Iowa vs # 16 LSU, Tigers up 7. #19 Wisconsin vs #9 South Carolina, tied in a fun game.

    Comment by JD (5c1832) — 1/1/2014 @ 10:57 am

  2. Hard to believe Duke put up that many points on Texas A&M.

    Comment by WarEagle82 (b18ccf) — 1/1/2014 @ 11:25 am

  3. Duke as a football power?? It’s easy to be a Cameron Crazy indoors, let’s see if they can translate that to the outdoors.

    Comment by Captain Ned (401d83) — 1/1/2014 @ 11:53 am

  4. #2, not to anyone who’s been watching A&M all year long. A&M’s defense was beyond horrible; with merely a horrible defense, A&M would have been 12-1 this year.

    Duke’s football team scored more points in the first half yesterday against A&M than the basketball team did … against Elon.

    Comment by Diffus (4a5ca6) — 1/1/2014 @ 12:27 pm

  5. reindeer games, of course.

    8-)

    Comment by redc1c4 (abd49e) — 1/1/2014 @ 1:16 pm

  6. Well, no surprise I was most interested in the Badgers vs. SC, which I thought was a fine game and if played again next week I am not sure who would win.
    While there were many outstanding plays and performances, I think when Wisconsin couldn’t convert on 3rd and short and then 4th and short was the game changer.
    Though it stayed interesting until Gordon fumbled the pitch.
    Being the number 3 in the SEC vs the number 3 in the Big 10, I did not see evidence of overall superiority in speed and skill as is commonly claimed by some.

    I still think coaching is one of the biggest things that determine bowl wins. Under Alvarez Wisconsin had a winning record in bowl games, including over Auburn in his last game, and the following year Wis beat Arkansas, but after that Bielema had a pretty poor bowl record.

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 1/1/2014 @ 2:29 pm

  7. Oddly enough, that 2006 bowl game against Wisconsin is the last bowl Auburn has lost.

    Comment by WarEagle82 (b18ccf) — 1/1/2014 @ 5:56 pm

  8. }}} Being the number 3 in the SEC vs the number 3 in the Big 10, I did not see evidence of overall superiority in speed and skill as is commonly claimed by some.

    No, the evidence of superior speed and skill comes from 5 wins in 6 bowl games so far. Yes, many of them close.

    With 10 games scheduled, the SEC is now guaranteed to finish no worse than 50-50 in bowl games.

    And you are decidedly incorrect as to SC’s being 3rd in the SEC.

    In order, you would almost certainly have to go with:

    AU
    UA
    ^^^^ Take your pick for #1 and #2
    Mizzou #3

    LSU
    SC
    ^^^^ Take your pick for #4 and #5 — I lean strongly towards LSU #4 for the simple reason that they DID manage to beat AU,
    the only SEC team that did so (SC did not play AU, mind you)

    So I’d argue that this was the SEC #5 vs the B10 #3 (assuming your designation of UW at #3 is correct). This is also expected given the movement of the SEC #1 to the NC game, which distorts the usual goal of even-even matchups.

    Comment by Igotbupkis, "Not At Home For The Holidays" (155353) — 1/1/2014 @ 6:31 pm

  9. The national rankings don’t place SC as the 5th place SEC team. LSU is ranked 7 spots behind SC, and the Geaux Tigers barely got past a crappy Iowa team today.

    Comment by JD (5c1832) — 1/1/2014 @ 6:50 pm

  10. I picked SC as #3 in the SEC from national rankings, though maybe I missed Missouri, as I am not used to thinking them as SEC still, SC was ranked higher than LSU.

    I have no problem conceding that overall, in recent history, the SEC has been the strongest conference. I don’t concede, as some have claimed, that OSU would be a 4 loss team in the SEC, and that the SEC is “faster”, and that the SEC is destined to “reign” forever.

    Comment by WarEagle82 (b18ccf) — 1/1/2014 @ 5:56 pm
    I guess it is just lucky for AU and the SEC that Alvarez decided to be the AD only.

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 1/1/2014 @ 6:53 pm

  11. Heh, MSU won the Rose Bowl.

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 1/1/2014 @ 7:11 pm

  12. For the life of me, I don’t get why the NHL Winter Classic is such a big deal.

    To me, the magic of hockey is being in the arena, looking down at the ice, feeling the chill, hearing the sound of skates shredding ice into a spray of snow in the goalie’s face, the thud of players being checked into the boards and against the glass, and that ping when a slap shot hits the posts of the goal, signaling either a near-miss or a rebound that lights the red light.

    I can’t imagine watching a hockey game in a baseball or football stadium, sitting farther from the action than I would in the worst seat in an indoor facility. I don’t even like to go the park to watch my beloved San Francisco Giants (World Champions of 2010 and 2012, in case you forgot) unless I have seats close enough for me to be heard by the players. So for all of you folks who would go in freezing weather to watch a hockey game you can’t see and during which breaks have to taken to remove snow from the ice, I ask you, what is the appeal? Is it just to say you were there?

    Comment by L.N. Smithee (4f310f) — 1/2/2014 @ 1:34 am

  13. I had somewhere to be Tuesday night, so I couldn’t watch the Chick-Fil-A Bowl with Duke vs. A&M any further than the first series of the second half.

    Just before I left, A&M stopped Duke from scoring a first down for the first time in the game, which wasn’t a tragedy, but it was the way it happened; Duke coach David Cutcliffe went for it on a 4th-and-four. As I turned off the TV to leave, I had the sneaking feeling that one shouldn’t give Johnny Manziel good field position when one doesn’t have to, and that it could come back to bite Duke.

    It did. And how.

    Comment by L.N. Smithee (4f310f) — 1/2/2014 @ 1:41 am

  14. Comment by L.N. Smithee (4f310f) — 1/2/2014 @ 1:34 am

    Is it just to say you were there?

    It must be.

    Also maybe they find out the goals sooner, ahead of any announcer.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (652c5b) — 1/2/2014 @ 8:21 am

  15. Holy Cow! Cade Foster missed a 32 yard field goal at the end of the 2nd half of the Sugar Bowl.

    It doesn’t look like a game-changer but Nick Satan really needs to recruit a kicker for next year.

    Comment by WarEagle82 (b18ccf) — 1/2/2014 @ 7:26 pm

  16. I was at the Winter Classic with my son and it was absolutely the best sporting event I have ever attended, including a couple of World Series games. The weather was perfect with it snowing the whole game and the crowd, which was maybe 55% Toronto fans was in a festive mood. A great lifetime memory with my son.

    Comment by kennymac (4964b3) — 1/3/2014 @ 3:56 am

  17. I have to admit, it was fun to watch another SEC team lose last night.

    Comment by JD (5c1832) — 1/3/2014 @ 7:25 am

  18. I am going to try to say this without being snarky.

    It has been argued that the SEC is bound to be dominant because of demographic changes, better conditioning of athletes because they are in the heat and humidity all of the time, because players would rather go to school where it is warm year around, and where because of the warmth year around girls are in “skirts” and shorts more of the year.
    As far as I know, none of those things are true about Oklahoma.
    At least not until there is a big earthquake and the Pacific coast makes up the western border of OK.

    Maybe it is just blips of talent and coaching prowess and high ranking team overconfidence that determines much of the bowl outcomes after all.

    That Miami team that was supposed to be one of the most talented ever lost to fuddy duddy Penn State back in the 80′s, and that other Miami team that was supposed to be one of the most talented teams ever lost to an OSU team only about 10 years ago or so.

    Once upon a time the college champion was decided between Nebraska and Oklahoma. For a few years it was decided in the state of Florida.

    But I do predict that it will be a surprise if a college football team from Colorado ever gets to be good again.
    The quarterbacks may have enlightened senses to see new and interesting possibilities, but try to get the receivers to run hard and the backs to not give in to the munchies.

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 1/3/2014 @ 8:04 am

  19. And I’ve said it before, I think that Miami team would have beat Penn State had they decided to run the ball.
    Just like Wisconsin should have thrown a pass to a tight end when it was 4th and 1, that might have lead to a win over SC.
    If only, but if, but…, if…

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 1/3/2014 @ 8:07 am

  20. Always interested in ACC and SEC games. Glad to see the “unbeatable” Crimson Tide lose their second straight game. Mizzou (my wife’s alma mater) in a good one tonight in the Orange Bowl. But by far my interest lies in my alma mater’s game next Monday. Go ‘Noles-! If they can shut down Auburn’s running game, it could be a blowout. Auburn does not have a passing game that can keep up with FSU, and FSU can score and score and score.

    The far-too-long delayed playoff system will be welcome next year, but it should be 8 teams, with seven games in 15 days (Sat-1, 4 games; Sat-2, 2 semi-final games; Sat-3, title game), and the major bowls rotating roles. Under BCS, every game but the title game was meaningless, even if entertaining. An 8-team playoff would make six bowls playoff games, and hence have some meaning. Every spectator at each of those games could be watching the eventual Nat’l Champion.

    Comment by NeoCon_1 (5a5908) — 1/3/2014 @ 1:05 pm

  21. in evry sport except basketball defense has been what I did in order to get playing time.
    When you look at the rosters of the prime big ten programs you’ll see an inordinate amount of atheletes in the speed/skill positions from south of the mason dixon line

    I liked how MSU used their size and strength at WR to dominate Stanfords not so atheletic DB’s and on the other side of the ball Stanfords WR’s were not as athletic as MSU’s DB’s

    Oklahome did something similar in that their big WR’s bodied off the Alabama DB’s.
    The SEC vs Big Ten was amusing… Nebraska beat an injury riddled Georgia and acted like they’d made a statement, LSU was in the rain, without their starting QB and just handled whoever that was.

    Hats off to MSU.

    OSU may beat Clemson. but Clemson got drubbed by FSU

    Comment by steveg (794291) — 1/3/2014 @ 7:02 pm

  22. Nebraska played with their back-up QB too. Is it really that hard to beat Iowa in the rain?

    Comment by JD (5c1832) — 1/3/2014 @ 8:17 pm

  23. Evidently

    Comment by steveg (794291) — 1/3/2014 @ 8:41 pm

  24. You’ve probably seen some triathletes that just “have it”… they may never go anywhere becouse of other issues, but it is fun to watch great talent.
    I watched Ashton Eaton workout with his girlfriend (she almost hit him with a javelin) amazing. there were three women hepthathletes there too. So smooth and fluid.
    watched lakers practice when they were good. wow.
    played soccer with guys who had caps for argentina, kenya and holland and against guys who had caps for Ghana, Germany and Mexico back when soccer was a sport played by expats.

    Nothing in the sports world makes me happier than to see a talented kid who wants it and who has his head reasonably together.
    Can’t help myself.

    Comment by steveg (794291) — 1/3/2014 @ 9:06 pm

  25. These are two really entertaining games tonight.

    Comment by JD (5c1832) — 1/3/2014 @ 9:06 pm

  26. I mean really great ballgames.

    Comment by JD (5c1832) — 1/3/2014 @ 9:12 pm

  27. well, that pass was dumb

    Comment by steveg (794291) — 1/3/2014 @ 9:12 pm

  28. and that was an athletic interception by that clemson player

    Comment by steveg (794291) — 1/3/2014 @ 9:13 pm

  29. last night it was speed on the edge to disrupt mcCarron and now Missouri gets after it tonight when it counts

    Comment by steveg (794291) — 1/3/2014 @ 9:25 pm

  30. steveg-
    Are you really claiming that LSU beating Iowa meant something this year?? I didn’t even know Iowa was bowl eligible.
    And if those SEC teams are so fast and skilled, it shouldn’t make any difference if they have a few people injured (your excuse for Georgia).
    Do I get to use the excuse that if Wisconsin hadn’t lost their starting quarterback they would have beat SC? Didn’t think so.

    As far as bowl games go, we don’t count OSU as representing the Big Ten, they just represent themselves and are too afraid of choking (again) to win.
    Though we did hope that with Meyer they would change their behavior.

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 1/3/2014 @ 10:58 pm

  31. Well, this “SEC vs. the rest of college football” argument will probably go on forever.

    The SEC has a pretty impressive record in bowl games this season. Through today the SEC is 7-2 in bowl games. There is one game left to go this season.

    In the last 15 years, the SEC is 73-50 (59.3%) in bowl games. That’s not bad.

    Comment by WarEagle82 (b18ccf) — 1/4/2014 @ 7:12 pm

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