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12/20/2013

Duck Dynasty Patriarch Suspended Pursuant to “Morals Clause”?

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:37 am

Sharp-eyed reader DRJ found this link suggesting that Phil Robertson’s suspension may be authorized by a “morals clause” in his contract:

TheWrap spoke to multiple legal experts who said that, if Robertson’s contract contained a morals clause — as if often the case with on-air talent — than the reality TV star has little in the way of legal recourse.

Often, such morals clauses note that, if talents speaks or acts in a way that insults or denigrates people, the producer reserves the right to suspend or terminate that talent.

And typically, defining such language or actions is left to the discretion of the studio — basically, “if we say it is so, it is.” Tough to mount a legal argument against that.

“My guess is that they [suspended Robertson] on the basis of a morality clause,” one entertainment attorney told TheWrap on Wednesday. “Once you sign a reality show contract, they own you.”

Entertainment attorney Neville Johnson also noted that talent agreements generally tend to favor the networks. “If you see these talent agreements, they basically say they can do everything except torture you,” Johnson said.

Meanwhile, TMZ has unearthed this 2010 video of Robertson saying essentially the same sorts of things about the alleged immorality of homosexuality.

TMZ takes the position that A&E had to know about this before the series started. Maybe, and then again, maybe not. They can still do pretty much whatever they want to do. It will be interesting to see what effect it all has on their bottom line.

Finally, DRJ notes that Robertson has been saying for some time he is tired of doing the show. It could be that the family decides to go on, because he wanted out anyway, and/or because they have little legal recourse. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

292 Comments

  1. Family’s announced they won’t go on without Phil. It’s headlining on Drudge. Official statement is up.

    Comment by TMLutas (0876a3) — 12/20/2013 @ 7:50 am

  2. So, expressing church teaching on morality ends up being immoral? Interesting.

    Comment by tek (4fda22) — 12/20/2013 @ 7:50 am

  3. “… because they have little legal recourse.”
    Maybe not legal recourse, but they could all go out and make similar statements that Phil did and let A&E suspend them all.

    Comment by Amazed_476 (78a5e8) — 12/20/2013 @ 7:58 am

  4. Of course they have legal recourse, if they decide not to do the show without Phil. They can walk. A&E can try to enjoin them from taking their talent to another show. Very difficult to prevail in preventing a person from earning a living. Maybe A&E could sue them for damages. You can sue anybody for anything. It would be hard to calculate damages, and one defense would be based on election of remedies. A&E had its remedy when it suspended Phil, and that suspension made it impossible for the rest of the cast members to continue with the show. There should be a ton of precedent out there about stars walking when their co-stars or directors turned out to be not as promised.

    But no, they cannot be forced to work for A&E. And I don’t think they can be forced to roast a duck for a gay wedding either, even in Colorado, but that’s a story for another day.

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/20/2013 @ 8:12 am

  5. Top of the Anus to you.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/20/2013 @ 8:38 am

  6. if he wanted out of the show then didn’t he have every incentive to get his anus on in public?

    Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 12/20/2013 @ 8:45 am

  7. A. It takes 84 years for it to go around the Sun.
    Q. What is _______________?

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/20/2013 @ 8:46 am

  8. You know a contract provision can be so broad and nebulous that it is unenforceable, right? It may seem like a good idea to the party it favors to put in “if you say something we think it’s offensive you’re fired”, but the law requires some reasonable definition of the other party’s contractual obligation, at least enough so he knows what he needs to do or not do.

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/20/2013 @ 8:51 am

  9. Your Anus is slower than Halley’s Anus.

    Comment by PCachu (e072b7) — 12/20/2013 @ 8:52 am

  10. Jupiter?

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (2add70) — 12/20/2013 @ 8:52 am

  11. yeah I’ll take Jupiter for $1000

    Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 12/20/2013 @ 8:56 am

  12. if he wanted out of the show then didn’t he have every incentive to get his anus on in public?

    Every contract has an implied covenant of good faith and reasonableness, but that is a two-edged sword, my friend from the eighth planet. The same argument can be made that A&E was looking for any kind of pretext to mess with the show.

    Heh! Remember Oprah getting sued by the Texas beef whosises for saying mad cow disease made her not want to ever eat another hamburger again? What if Phil had said that beef clog arteries, especially Texas beef, where the animals are kept in feed lots, shoulder to shoulder, and fed all kinds of trash to fatten them up? Besides Texas invading Louisiana, would that violate the morals clause in A&E’s judgment?

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/20/2013 @ 9:19 am

  13. The unpardonable sin is offending the fan base and/or advertisers.
    UnderArmour is standing by…

    The funny thing at this link on TMZ is way over 100,000 people have voted 78% to 22% that they’d still watch Duck Dynasty

    poll

    The demographic on the TMZ website has to be in the sweet spot for advertisers… A&E will look to do whatever it takes to rescue themselves because by finding a away to continue the show, they will make (bigger) piles of money.
    The Robertson’s could actually come out of this in a stronger position ie: a position where this type of statement by the old man doesn’t trigger punishment.

    I also doubt A&E wants to lose Phil’s wife from the shows.

    A big part of the show is the moral of the story ending that is followed by a prayer by Phil over the dinner.
    I don’t think the show or the family will be able to drop that

    Comment by steveg (794291) — 12/20/2013 @ 9:37 am

  14. Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/20/2013 @ 8:12 am

    But no, they cannot be forced to work for A&E.

    My understanding is a judge will not issue an injunction to get them to work for a show. That’s old time precedent, maybe from the 1920s and Broadway. Only an injunction not to work for another show.

    An injunction to work is basically unenforceable -could you enjoin someone to do a good job?

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (3bb3ae) — 12/20/2013 @ 9:39 am

  15. Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/20/2013 @ 9:19 am

    my friend from the eighth planet.

    The eighth planet is Neptune, and now there isn’t a ninth, although it is remembered in the name of chemical element number 94.

    The original seven moving celestial bodies visible to the naked eye included the sun and the moon (but did not include the Earth.)

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (3bb3ae) — 12/20/2013 @ 9:44 am

  16. Meanwhile, Obungle-in-the-jungle-care rolls on:
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/12/20/utter-chaos-white-house-exempts-millions-from-obamacares-insurance-mandate-unaffordable-exchanges/

    – People that had a policy canceled are exempt; people that didn’t have a policy are not. Heckuva job, Kathleen!

    Comment by Icy (940358) — 12/20/2013 @ 9:48 am

  17. Didn’t a somewhat similar problem happen with Andy Rooney?

    http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/09/arts/cbs-gives-rooney-a-3-month-suspension-for-remarks.html

    But that was twenty years ago, when the Established Church was not so strong.

    Also he had said something milder – that it led to premature death. Now technically that was wronmg, since it required other factors.

    Andy Rooney also said the author of an article had put some other words in his mouth about blacks.

    Maybe he was able to get away with it on account of his age, but some people don’t forget, and still want him condemned:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-petrow/andy-rooney-gays_b_1079554.html

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (3bb3ae) — 12/20/2013 @ 9:56 am

  18. We’ll always have Anus and Andy, or something.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/20/2013 @ 9:56 am

  19. The studio can huff and puff, but the show is unscripted. They can just sit abound and fart until everyone calls it a day.

    Comment by Kevin M (536c5d) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:05 am

  20. Icy @ 16: JD had a post about that:

    http://patterico.com/2013/12/19/we-dont-need-congress-obamacare-fiascos

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (3bb3ae) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:05 am

  21. *around

    Comment by Kevin M (536c5d) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:07 am

  22. Greetings:

    Elsewhere, I read an assessment that the producers originally thought the program would be a buffoon zoo for viewers to watch. Then, in that subversive way so common in the Age of Obama, the viewers took the Ducksters to heart and left the producers out on a limb with a bunch of unintended consequence.

    Sic Transit gloria.

    Comment by 11B40 (abd5a3) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:07 am

  23. A&E invokes morals clause because star espouses traditional Christian belief? Not sure that works in a jury trial.

    Comment by Kevin M (536c5d) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:09 am

  24. 23. Comment by Kevin M (536c5d) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:09 am

    A&E invokes morals clause because star espouses traditional Christian belief? Not sure that works in a jury trial.

    Revised morals.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (3bb3ae) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:14 am

  25. I would love to see a trial, with the CEO of A&E testifying under oath: “Yes, we believe Christianity and the Bible are immoral.”

    Comment by great unknown (74b2b6) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:20 am

  26. Perhaps A&E knew, but Harvey is so sensitive to gay rights that he deems anyone and everyone as anti-gay (and anti-Jew). I take him and his embellishments with a grain of salt. Still, even those on the left are questioning the decision, especially in th face of the Bashir controversy. Let people speak their opinions. Don’t like it? Ignore them.

    Comment by Ratbeach (477e41) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:21 am

  27. 76 rusty trombones led the big parade.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:24 am

  28. I don’t watch the Duck Dynasty. Never have, never will. But then I watch very little television in the first place.

    OTOH I have read what Robertson said–the whole thing in the interview.

    If that offended A&E management, who gives a duck what those twinkies think?

    Comment by Comanche Voter (bd140e) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:26 am

  29. Comment by great unknown (74b2b6) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:20 am

    “Yes, we believe Christianity and the Bible are immoral.”

    Well, how many years has it been since anyone has been hanged and convicted of a sexual offense listed in the Bible, let alone executed?

    Actually we still have a few, including some new ones (mainly underage)

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (3bb3ae) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:31 am

  30. BTW, this is from a network that edited a “reality” show to remove the J-word from prayers and to insert bogus bleeps into G-rated conversations to make it APPEAR that the family was less moral than they were.

    If anything A&E is using a “morals” clause as cover for religious discrimination. Not sure that works either.

    Comment by Kevin M (536c5d) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:38 am

  31. if this story is true, the A&E execs already have a roost full of chickens with dysentery…

    http://www.newsninja2012.com/dynastypolls.html

    which will give them company, because they should be sh**ing themselves over the drop in viewers.

    further extrapolation is that their numbers are even worse, because i’d venture that part of the recent audiences would be people tuning in to see what all the talk is about.

    this could get very expensive for A&E, which is how things should be: everyone is free to act, as long as they accept the consequences of their actions.

    Comment by redc1c4 (abd49e) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:43 am

  32. The Totalitarian – Socialist – Left has bestowed it upon themselves the right to tell the rest of us what is Racist and what is bigotry.

    They get to decide what is wrong and then they run with it.

    They quickly made a ‘collective’ determination that what Phil said was beyond the pale and are punishing him for it – while fabricating the pretense that they aren’t.

    The spew the BS that free-speech has it consequences – well, who in tarnation decided that there should be ‘consequences?’

    Comment by deerer (3ba670) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:46 am

  33. The truth is, A&E is afraid of being boycotted itself.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (3bb3ae) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:46 am

  34. by who, Sam the Sham, leftard urban metrosexuals that don’t watch A&E’s number one show anyway?

    keep spinning: maybe you’ll hit a grove instead of the wall this time.

    Comment by redc1c4 (abd49e) — 12/20/2013 @ 11:18 am

  35. that’s “groove”, not “grove”…

    Comment by redc1c4 (abd49e) — 12/20/2013 @ 11:19 am

  36. if this story is true, the A&E execs already have a roost full of chickens with dysentery…

    The numbers are quite mixed.

    Last Wednesday they ran a new Xmas special, which got a big rating. Since then they’ve run repeats, which have gotten ho hum ratings. The first night since this blew up (last Wednesday) ratings were up over Monday, all with repeats. Not clear why — different viewing habits on different nights.

    The article linked above makes the case that decreased viewership reflects a boycott, and assumes that boycott shows SUPPORT for Phil. Neither of those assertions seems obvious or even likely.

    Comment by Kevin M (536c5d) — 12/20/2013 @ 11:53 am

  37. *A week ago Wednesday vs last Wednesday, of course.

    Comment by Kevin M (536c5d) — 12/20/2013 @ 11:54 am

  38. Imagine, if you will, how liberal heads would explode that if it suddenly became fashionalbe to punish those who offended Christains instead of the other way around.

    Comment by Thresherman (90716c) — 12/20/2013 @ 11:55 am

  39. “by who, Sam the Sham, leftard urban metrosexuals that don’t watch A&E’s number one show anyway?”

    redc1c4 – Heh. Probably not the target audience. I still have not gotten one of my leftard urban metrosexual hipster acquaintances to accept an invitation to go noodling (hillbilly hand fishing) or flying carp catching.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/20/2013 @ 12:02 pm

  40. SF: “A&E is afraid of being boycotted itself”

    Comment by redc1c4 (abd49e) — 12/20/2013 @ 11:18

    by who

    Advertisers, and anybody else they can intimidate.

    And I didn’t say that show would be boycotted, but A&E.

    If they can intimidate people into making apologies, they can also intimidate people into joining a boycott.

    At least, A&E is afraid of that.

    People can also be harassed.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (3bb3ae) — 12/20/2013 @ 12:10 pm

  41. They’ve got plenty of money. They don’t need A&E, it ‘s the other way round.

    Maybe one of the Exec’s in AE is gay and got pressured by GLAAD (maybe he’s not OUT?).

    They’ve already got the next season done so there’s no real loss (they thought at the time) if they put him on suspension and the lift it later next year.

    too bad they didn’t reckon on the reaction and the popularity of what he said which wasn’t bashing, wasn’t rude or obscene or anything like the comparisons with other who’ve gotten fired recently.

    In fact he actually included a lot of people in his statements that have been left out of the headlines when he made his condemnation of sinners.

    They can walk away from the show without any qualms and maybe that’s what AE wanted anyway.(I know it doesn’t make sense to the rest of us out here but the entertainment industry has different standards and making money isn’t the number one reason for doing anything, for them.

    Comment by jakee308 (e940d5) — 12/20/2013 @ 12:29 pm

  42. “Advertisers, and anybody else they can intimidate.”

    Sammy – Tucks and Preparation H just signed on for big advertising campaigns.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/20/2013 @ 12:46 pm

  43. I don’t know if this report is accurate but if it is, then the Duck Dynasty folks may be able wait a year or two and take their show where they want — like a football player who transfers and has to sit out a year:

    The network owns the series and all of the intellectual property behind it, for at least one more season. But as one source points out, “The family could do appear on another network once their exclusivity is up with A&E. Under a normal contract, that usually means anywhere from six months to a year after the final episode has aired. However, if the family breaks their agreement with the network, the network could hold them for longer.”

    It’s also fair to assume that A&E needs the series more than the family does. Duck Dynasty is A&E’s highest-rated show of all time, and has put the cable network on the map. It is the second-biggest cable series of the year, behind AMC’s The Walking Dead, and the Christmas special pulled in nearly 9 million viewers.

    Meanwhile, the Robertson family has plenty of financial stability (for, arguably, future generations), thanks to their estimated whopping $400 million fortune.

    I agree A+E needs the Robertsons more than they need A+E, and that’s not a good place to be in a crisis.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/20/2013 @ 12:51 pm

  44. 41. Comment by jakee308 (e940d5) — 12/20/2013 @ 12:29 pm

    In fact he actually included a lot of people in his statements that have been left out of the headlines when he made his condemnation of sinners.

    But that’s exactly the problem they have with his remarks: comparing homosexuality to any sexual conduct people have, at least, qualms about.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (9fe80b) — 12/20/2013 @ 1:05 pm

  45. I agree A+E needs the Robertsons more than they need A+E, and that’s not a good place to be in a crisis.

    A claim that they were discriminated against on the basis of religion might make any waiting period hard to enforce. Even in a NY court.

    Comment by Kevin M (536c5d) — 12/20/2013 @ 1:19 pm

  46. comparing homosexuality to any sexual conduct people have, at least, qualms about.

    Those are not separate classes. Lots of people have qualms about homosexuality.

    Comment by Kevin M (536c5d) — 12/20/2013 @ 1:21 pm

  47. What is more enlightening to me is that *again* the media is either lazy or is smearing a conservative person over a muddled sentence.
    Nowhere in Robertson’s response to the question in GQ does he compare homosexuality with bestiality but it is important to know that Bible translators are taking the Greek word porneia, looking at how it is used throughout the Bible up to the point in time and also how the word is used in common speech at that time (plus other context).
    Historically the people used to say the “porneia of sodom”
    or the “porneia of men with harlots” or the porneia of men who lie down with their oxen”
    and over time it was used for all of the above.
    So some translators would note that the apostle Paul seems to use the word as all encompassing… and yeah bestiality is covered by that word.

    A good comparison might be how I use the word porn today.
    I use it for everything and but I put a general modification on it like “soft core” or “hard core” because I live in the USA in 2013, but if I start listing types of porn, bestiality might creep into the same sentence with gay, but that doesn’t mean I think gay porn is a gateway drug to bestial porn although I might see porn as a gateway to personal decline

    Comment by steveg (794291) — 12/20/2013 @ 1:22 pm

  48. Ad the very strong argument, given the support they have received, that they did not offend Duck Dynasty’s viewers or advertisers but GQ’s readers and A&E has no legitimate interest in GQ’s readers.

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/20/2013 @ 1:22 pm

  49. Lots of people have qualms about homosexuality.

    Hey, I think homosexuality is not only not immoral, but entirely natural. It exists in many species.

    But I still have qualms about it! It is not for me.

    Comment by Former Conservative (6e026c) — 12/20/2013 @ 1:22 pm

  50. BTW, it’s a good thing we don’t have the Hollywood Blacklist any more.

    I mean, blackballing people just because they supported a mega-murdering dictator who wanted to destroy America is reprehensible, but doesn’t mean we have to employ people who won’t accept homosexuality as normal!

    Comment by Kevin M (536c5d) — 12/20/2013 @ 1:25 pm

  51. Remember that Volvo ad with Jean-Claude Van Damme? Here’s a Christmas parody with Chuck Norris that’s worth a couple minutes of your time.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/20/2013 @ 1:28 pm

  52. Glenn Beck on Santa Claus and Duck Dynasty. Epic. Must watch TV.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/glenn-beck-duck-dynasty-white-santa-2013-12

    Comment by elissa (78bee9) — 12/20/2013 @ 1:30 pm

  53. Perhaps we should name the new blacklist for what it is, Here’s a few obvious members:

    Phil Robertson.
    Orson Scott Card.
    Isiah Washington.
    Ben Stein.
    Clint Eastwood.
    Mel Gibson.

    Comment by Kevin M (536c5d) — 12/20/2013 @ 1:31 pm

  54. you have to add that bigot doctor too

    the cardiologist guy

    Comment by happyfeet (c60db2) — 12/20/2013 @ 1:33 pm

  55. DRJ, that just highlights how much greater was Van Damme’s feat.

    Comment by Former Conservative (6e026c) — 12/20/2013 @ 1:40 pm

  56. My daughter tells me that Van Damme’s stunt was a photoshop too. In any case, check out this real manliest man. MD, you especially should like this. http://i.imgur.com/VoKLqBb.jpg Your move, highkickers.

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/20/2013 @ 1:54 pm

  57. Van Damme’s stunt, according to Volvo:

    The Internet is buzzing about a new online commercial that shows actor Jean-Claude Van Damme appearing to perform a split between two moving Volvo FM trucks. Volvo says the stunt really happened.

    “The stunt is real and is performed in just one take,” said Anders Vilhelmsson, public relations manager for the Volvo Trucks brand. “It’s a daring stunt but we had full control. There was never any real danger involved.”

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/20/2013 @ 1:59 pm

  58. But your daughter has a point, nk:

    Van Damme, 53, was hooked to safety lines that aren’t visible in the film, and each foot is on a small platform that was built on the trucks’ side mirrors.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/20/2013 @ 2:00 pm

  59. I’ll say this for A+E: The Phil Robertson story is well-timed since A+E has a Duck Dynasty marathon scheduled for Christmas week. It’s great PR for the marathon and I doubt it’s a coincidence.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/20/2013 @ 2:08 pm

  60. I wonder who owns the series? I bet A+E does, so it may not care too much if Duck Dynasty goes away or not. It can replay the first 4 seasons for years.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/20/2013 @ 2:09 pm

  61. I’ve put A&E on indefinite suspension due to the obtuse clause in my viewer’s contract.

    Comment by askeptic (b8ab92) — 12/20/2013 @ 2:11 pm

  62. “Hey, I think homosexuality is not only not immoral, but entirely natural. It exists in many species.”

    Former Conservative – Why are you comparing homosexuality to sex between animals? Well played, Einstein.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/20/2013 @ 2:13 pm

  63. Uganda just banned just about everything gay. In response, Canada’s supreme court struck down all of Canada’s anti-prostitution laws. Both common law countries. Makes it harder for Kennedy and Ginzburg to decide sex cases that come before our Supreme Court, darn it.

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/20/2013 @ 2:15 pm

  64. nk – They will find a bleached balloon knot somewhere upon which to rule.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/20/2013 @ 2:21 pm

  65. Former Conservative – Why are you comparing homosexuality to sex between animals?

    Because we’re animals.

    This was not the hardest question ever.

    Comment by Former Conservative (6e026c) — 12/20/2013 @ 2:26 pm

  66. Just have to say: Harvey Levin and TMZ have been good about covering this story. They even ran a poll that showed their own readers (and I sincerely doubt they’re all conservatives) thought Robertson shouldn’t have been suspended, by a factor of 4 to 1.

    Levin has also been really good about calling out A&E’s own hypocrisy re the DD marathon of shows.

    Comment by qdpsteve (7ed3c4) — 12/20/2013 @ 2:29 pm

  67. In response, Canada’s supreme court struck down all of Canada’s anti-prostitution laws.

    It was a good decision too, and unanimous, but suspended for one year to see if parliament wants to do anything about it. But it wasn’t in response to anything other than the danger that laws which have almost everything around prostitution be illegal (including brothels) but prostitution itself be legal cause prostitutes. This forces them into dangerous situations to engage in their legal trade.

    The Conservative government of Canada could resolve this in various ways, including criminalizing prostitution. Politically that may not be viable, but it would likely be Constitutional.

    Comment by Former Conservative (6e026c) — 12/20/2013 @ 2:29 pm

  68. oops, steveg (probably among others) beat me to it with the TMZ poll.

    Comment by qdpsteve (7ed3c4) — 12/20/2013 @ 2:31 pm

  69. “Because we’re animals.”

    Former Conservative – Speak for yourself.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/20/2013 @ 2:35 pm

  70. I wonder if this guy has some out-of-mainstream views. Quick, someone ask NOW what they think.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2527202/Move-Sister-Wives-Utah-polygamist-FIVE-wives-24-children-TLC-reality-series.html

    Comment by Kevin M (536c5d) — 12/20/2013 @ 2:42 pm

  71. For a change of pace;

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2527286/Kate-Upton-splits-dancer-Maksim-Chmerkovskiy-dating-six-months.html

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/20/2013 @ 3:14 pm

  72. It’s seems A&E chose poorly’

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/12/breaking-duck-dynasty-sponsor-if-robertsons-leave-ae-were-going-with-them-video/

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/20/2013 @ 3:48 pm

  73. I’ll just bet he does…

    “Obama Loves Show, Watches on Air Force One…”

    http://blogs.cbn.com/beltwaybuzz/archive/2013/12/20/president-obama-watches-duck-dynasty.aspx

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (2add70) — 12/20/2013 @ 3:56 pm

  74. On the wider point;

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/366896/age-intolerance-mark-steyn

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/20/2013 @ 4:34 pm

  75. But the press is on the case;

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/12/glenn-thrush-obama-sounded-like-he-wants-to-get-out-of-town-showed-no-energy-video/

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/20/2013 @ 4:57 pm

  76. it’s all too much, narciso. He basically personally repealed ObamaCare, making it all up as he went along and then jumped on his makebelieve AF-1 and left town for warmer climes.

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (2add70) — 12/20/2013 @ 5:01 pm

  77. President Armslength Asterisk.

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (2add70) — 12/20/2013 @ 5:01 pm

  78. http://youtu.be/Lt5see82lvo

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (2add70) — 12/20/2013 @ 5:03 pm

  79. They are on the case, in a Vizzini sort of way;

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/video-new-york-times-reporter-wishes-obama-mele-kalikimaka-before-hawaii-vacation/article/2541082

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/20/2013 @ 5:27 pm

  80. Harvey Levin hits the nail on the head with this excerpt:

    “I am furious at A&E for suspending Phil Robertson for his anti-gay comments, and I say that as a gay person. I am furious that they would have the audacity basically to deny this guy his freedom of religion….”

    Now freedom of religion should not be absolute. You should be able to harm or threaten someone. But say what you think without getting suspended? Yeah. Same with atheists.

    The exception would be if religion or atheism was a bona fide part of your job — so an atheist priest or publicist for Dawkins’ foundation who’d just converted to Islam could be fired.

    But not a duck hunter.

    Comment by Former Conservative (6e026c) — 12/20/2013 @ 5:38 pm

  81. A suppose we can put ol’ Phil up on a cross now and stick a spear in him since he’s the new martyr for the Christian Right. Last year, it was the Chick-Fil-A Chicken being branded as the new saint of Christianity for standing up for all that is Holy Matrimony in the eyes of the Church. These folks want to be on the wrong side of history with their public criticism of homosexuality but cry fowl (pardon the pun) when their own bigotry is examined in a public light. Batter and fry all the nonsense at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2012/08/holy-rollin-poultry-on-cross-chick-fil.html

    Comment by Brandt Hardin (27fe3f) — 12/20/2013 @ 5:39 pm

  82. You should not be able to harm or threaten someone.

    Comment by Former Conservative (6e026c) — 12/20/2013 @ 5:39 pm

  83. no we can’t poke daddy duck with sticks I already checked on that

    Comment by happyfeet (c60db2) — 12/20/2013 @ 5:43 pm

  84. First Takei, Sullivan, Levin, don’t care, A&E’s management is behaving something out of TBS ‘Ground Floor,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/20/2013 @ 5:45 pm

  85. Something hatreds are certified;

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/12/princeton-pres-i-do-not-intend-to-denounce-the-asa/

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/20/2013 @ 5:49 pm

  86. “no we can’t poke daddy duck with sticks I already checked on that”

    Mr. Feets – you can’t say gay men prefer squeak hole sechs to vagina sechs neither because the truth is hurtful or something.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/20/2013 @ 5:53 pm

  87. Princeton Pres: “I do not intend to denounce the ASA”

    Good!

    Israel is in many ways an evil nation [no, it isn't the only one].

    I used to be a strong supporter of it, even an outspoken one. But no, they need to get their moral house in order before I support them as a nation again, beyond a right to exist. As individuals, sure, I like some Jews, but Israel is essentially an apartheid nation with religiously-motivated child sexual torture thrown in to boot.

    That said, maybe there’s some hope for Israel’s moral development. It has a long way to go.

    Comment by Former Conservative (6e026c) — 12/20/2013 @ 5:57 pm

  88. I don’t think Phil Robertson was one of the folks who answered Andrew Sullivan’s “Raw Muscl Glutes” personal advertisement.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/20/2013 @ 5:57 pm

  89. you not supposed to talk about anus at christmastime everybody know that

    less they were raised in a barn

    Comment by happyfeet (c60db2) — 12/20/2013 @ 5:57 pm

  90. Germany, however, leads the world in human rights, although it too has a long way to go.

    Comment by Former Conservative (6e026c) — 12/20/2013 @ 5:59 pm

  91. “Obama Loves Show, Watches on Air Force One…”

    “It’s Michelle’s favorite”

    /snark

    Comment by Kevin M (536c5d) — 12/20/2013 @ 6:09 pm

  92. FC, I used to be a critic, but forgave them after Begin died.

    Comment by Kevin M (536c5d) — 12/20/2013 @ 6:12 pm

  93. About what exactly,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/20/2013 @ 6:21 pm

  94. Also, romantic love is important to me as a value, as a principle, as a core part of life. I won’t support a nation that says I couldn’t legally marry their women because of my religious status. (And anti-miscegenation would be the norm for Israeli culture too.)

    So, go ASA. Go Princeton President.

    Comment by Former Conservative (6e026c) — 12/20/2013 @ 6:26 pm

  95. Just turn the other cheek, Brandt Hardin.

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (2add70) — 12/20/2013 @ 6:36 pm

  96. change the channel.

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (2add70) — 12/20/2013 @ 6:36 pm

  97. Turn it unless it’s already occupied…

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (2add70) — 12/20/2013 @ 6:38 pm

  98. http://therightscoop.com/mark-levin-the-executives-at-ae-are-cowards-and-frauds/

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/20/2013 @ 6:49 pm

  99. Notice any irony in this selection;

    http://www.the-american-interest.com/articles/2013/12/20/hypocrisy-thy-name-is-asa/

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/20/2013 @ 7:01 pm

  100. Human rights, we should look into that;

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/12/20/terrorists-for-human-rights.html

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/20/2013 @ 7:09 pm

  101. Andy Rooney also said the author of an article had put some other words in his mouth about blacks. Maybe he was able to get away with it on account of his age, but some people don’t forget, and still want him condemned:

    huffingtonpost.com: Seven years later, in 1996, the unrepentant Rooney told Television Quarterly: “I find what they [the gays] do to each other repugnant.” Andy Rooney died this past Friday at age 92.

    I find his comments and those of Phil Robertson to be less problematic — if problematic at all — than the anti-gay sneers out of Alec Baldwin a few months ago, and on another occasion before that. Or, for that matter, the racist (and also anti-gay) sneer associated with another big liberal, Sean Penn’s son, as he and his father back were strolling in Beverly Hills earlier this year and ran into a paparazzi who happened to be black.

    The left: Phony baloney.

    Comment by Mark (58ea35) — 12/20/2013 @ 7:32 pm

  102. “These folks want to be on the wrong side of history.”

    People who say this always amuse me.

    Comment by Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 12/20/2013 @ 7:52 pm

  103. Funny how that works, Steyn brings this fellow;

    http://nationalreview.com/article/366896/age-intolerance-mark-steyn

    but Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kirov all qualify.

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/20/2013 @ 7:59 pm

  104. I’m beginning to be a bit tired of the un-elected few who get to decide what everyone should believe. For the middle class.

    Comment by Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 12/20/2013 @ 8:19 pm

  105. but Israel is essentially an apartheid nation

    Comment by Former Conservative (6e026c) — 12/20/2013 @ 5:57 pm

    Ridiculous

    Comment by Gerald A (bfbd30) — 12/20/2013 @ 8:22 pm

  106. Hey, I think homosexuality is not only not immoral, but entirely natural. It exists in many species.

    Comment by Former Conservative (6e026c) — 12/20/2013 @ 1:22 pm

    Uh no.

    Comment by Gerald A (bfbd30) — 12/20/2013 @ 8:24 pm

  107. #62 LOL

    Comment by Gerald A (bfbd30) — 12/20/2013 @ 8:25 pm

  108. Cristoph does bring the humor, oh wait he’s serious,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/20/2013 @ 8:29 pm

  109. it’s all too much, narciso. He basically personally repealed ObamaCare, making it all up as he went along and then jumped on his makebelieve AF-1 and left town for warmer climes.

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (2add70) — 12/20/2013 @ 5:01 pm

    To bad that it’s not the one with the welcome sign that reads, “Abandon hope, all Ye who enter!”.

    Comment by peedoffamerican (c1890a) — 12/20/2013 @ 8:39 pm

  110. Comment by Brandt Hardin (27fe3f) — 12/20/2013 @ 5:39 pm

    Anti-Christian BIGOT!

    Comment by peedoffamerican (c1890a) — 12/20/2013 @ 8:41 pm

  111. “These folks want to be on the wrong side of history.”

    People who say this always amuse me.

    Comment by Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 12/20/2013 @ 7:52 pm

    Me too. The puns are endless. But they won’t get a rise out of me. I disagree but I won’t hold it against them. It’s hard when you don’t know which way to turn. I can see how they might be feeling butthurt from their situation. Meh, I’m stopping. It’s too easy, just like most of them.

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/20/2013 @ 8:48 pm

  112. Between me and Christoph, we know everything. Christoph knows everything except that he is an idiot, and I know that.

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/20/2013 @ 8:57 pm

  113. Former Conservative – Why are you comparing homosexuality to sex between animals? Well played, Einstein.

    Hey… wait a minute. I thought these libertarians were all about personal freedom? Free to smoke, snort, shoot or rub into their belly buttons any substance they choose… free to narfle the garthog, male or female.

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (2add70) — 12/20/2013 @ 9:03 pm

  114. Funny how that works, Steyn brings this fellow;
    http://graphicsmystictoolkitvolume3.com/

    Comment by T.A (514a00) — 12/20/2013 @ 9:26 pm

  115. They are on the case, in a Vizzini sort of way;

    Comment by Tim (514a00) — 12/20/2013 @ 9:27 pm

  116. http://twitterbusinessinaboxreview.com/
    About what exactly,

    Comment by Tim (514a00) — 12/20/2013 @ 9:28 pm

  117. The copy and link spammers are trying harder. Don’t click T.A.’s links.

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/20/2013 @ 9:28 pm

  118. Or Tim’s. And there’ll be more.

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/20/2013 @ 9:29 pm

  119. Hey, I think homosexuality is not only not immoral, but entirely natural.

    Forget about it being immoral or not, or natural or not. Quite simply, it has a “bleh” quality about it, which Phil Robertson alluded to. He could have been even more refreshingly candid by wondering if most gays have a poor sense of smell or a high tolerance for the type of unclean — literally — situations that have resulted in high rates of STDs among the gay community.

    There’s a good reason why even various dyed-in-the-wool liberals grimace — at least in private and when they’re being honest about reality — towards homosexuality.

    Comment by Mark (58ea35) — 12/20/2013 @ 9:31 pm

  120. I hear that in an effort to bounce back, and to capitalize on the popularity of Time Magazine’s Man of the Year, A&E has offered Pope Francis his own reality show. They’ll just tag along and film candid moments of the popular new Pope interacting with his flock.

    But just to be on the safe side they’ve included a “Morals Clause” advising the Pope he’ll be canned if he says anything to offend anyone listed as sinners in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.

    And to cut that Jesus crap out of his homilies.

    Comment by Steve57 (e607ae) — 12/20/2013 @ 9:44 pm

  121. Muslims might be offended to find out the Pope is Catholic.

    Comment by Steve57 (e607ae) — 12/20/2013 @ 9:46 pm

  122. Nevermind Roman 1-28,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/20/2013 @ 9:56 pm

  123. That’s the demographic they’re trying not to upset over at Keeping Up With the Kardashians, narciso.

    Different advertisers.

    Comment by Steve57 (e607ae) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:14 pm

  124. i bet daddy duck is like man I wish I’d expressed myself more tactfully

    then he kinda shrugs and says oh well I’m rich let’s go shoot something

    and everyone says ok daddy duck sounds good to me we still got some room in the deep freeze for some more vittles for winter

    and daddy duck says well what’re we waiting for?

    and everyone laughs

    Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:18 pm

  125. aaaaaaand

    scene

    Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:19 pm

  126. #89
    What if auntie inappropriate goes in for the goose?

    Comment by steveg (794291) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:21 pm

  127. What if auntie inappropriate goes in for the goose?

    you just think how bad you’d feel if you slapped her upside the head and later that night she died in a fire

    and she had your food stamp card with her

    Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:24 pm

  128. Is it true that A&E tried to get the family not to rpay in Jesus’ name because it might offend Muslims? I find that extremely difficult to believe. But if they did do something along those lines then it certainly would seem to bolster a religious discrimination claim since the network made it an issue and chose sides. I cannot imagine them editing out Mohammed’s name.

    Comment by Thatch (0b86d9) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:31 pm

  129. i bet daddy duck is like man I wish I’d expressed myself more tactfully

    I bet you’d lose that bet. He’s 67. He doesn’t give a fig. He probably stares at women’s boobs straight out too — none of that tactful sneaking peeks stuff.

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:37 pm

  130. it’s hard to know for sure Mr. nk

    that’s a whole nudder reality show

    Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:44 pm

  131. If A&E chooses to give up their most popular show due to a mild comment that doesn’t favor homosexuals, then I will respect their devotion to a principle while deriding their abject stupidity at business. This is not like the man went on a Mel Gibson style anti-”X” diatribe, here. They are fully within their rights but they’re absolute morons to apply them.

    Comment by IGotBupkis, "Not at Home For Xmas" (155353) — 12/20/2013 @ 10:44 pm

  132. I read somewhere that MR. Phil should get Ted Baxters 8 o-clock time slot.

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 12/20/2013 @ 11:10 pm

  133. I don’t doubt the initial contracts were fairly standard and gave wide latitude to the network. But the popularity of Duck Dynasty may have given the Robertsons enough leverage to renegotiate. Remember they already built a successful business, and are bound to have access to good legal advice.

    Some have speculated A&E thought they could turn them into another Honey Boo-Boo, rednecks “normal” folks could make fun of. The attempt to insert phony “bleeps” when the Robertsons refused to curse tends to confirm that opinion.

    If cancelled, though, it would probably be possible to reconstitute the series under their own production company. A&E might try to block use of “their” “intellectual property,” but since the show was based on the Robertson’s actual lives and business, which existed first, it could only affect the trappings of production, not the substance.

    I bet ZZ Top might even personally re-license “Sharp Dressed Man” to be used in the opening.

    Comment by Estragon (19fa04) — 12/20/2013 @ 11:52 pm

  134. wondering if most gays have a poor sense of smell

    My best guess is they react to pheromones differently. As far as smell is concerned, straight sex has its own odors, so I wouldn’t go there. Please.

    Comment by Kevin M (536c5d) — 12/21/2013 @ 12:47 am

  135. The difference, Kevin, is that women smell good. Even my female bisexual friends think so.

    Q.E.D.

    Comment by Former Conservative (6e026c) — 12/21/2013 @ 2:04 am

  136. What do you use for perfume Former Conservative?

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 12/21/2013 @ 3:25 am

  137. a LITTLE KNOWN FACT: in Texas, one can not own more than six dildos.

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (9444ea) — 12/21/2013 @ 5:26 am

  138. lol Touche, mg.

    Comment by Former Conservative (6e026c) — 12/21/2013 @ 5:40 am

  139. a LITTLE KNOWN FACT: in Texas, one can not own more than six dildos.

    Well that is three more than anyone‘s likely to need at one time.

    Comment by Former Conservative (6e026c) — 12/21/2013 @ 5:41 am

  140. teh Playah-in-Chief touch down in the Aloha State yet? His Gangster Government continueszzzz…

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (3afa91) — 12/21/2013 @ 6:27 am

  141. well he did say, he was good at killing people;

    http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2013/12/21/yemen-deaths-test-claims-of-new-drone-policy/

    unclear if they are the right ones though,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/21/2013 @ 6:35 am

  142. they used to call this, speaking truth to power;

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/12/20/212378/zero-dark-thirty-leak-investigators.html

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/21/2013 @ 6:45 am

  143. The real secret behind Zero Dark Thirty, Seal Team Six, and the “raid that killed bin Laden”, is that it did not happen. It’s a Wag the Dog type White House-Hollywood production. A fairy tale manufactured to help iBambi get reelected. That’s what makes any leaks about “leaks” streng verboten.

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/21/2013 @ 6:59 am

  144. No it did happen, that’s why the Pakistani doc is in jail, the subsequent team was shot down, and the film was demonized;

    http://news.yahoo.com/analysis-white-house-rebranding-obamacare-39-young-invincibles-060447906.html

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/21/2013 @ 7:04 am

  145. It’s all a double blind. The Pakistani doctor is in jail to give credence that he was the fingerman, even though he really is innocent, he had nothing to do with anything; the Seal team was shut down because they knew no mission like that had occurred; and I don’t understand what you mean by the film being demonized.

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/21/2013 @ 7:16 am

  146. More art therapy will do the trick;

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/12/20/3829501/senate-eases-path-for-sending.html

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/21/2013 @ 7:16 am

  147. When they discovered, that the path to Abbotabad, came through ‘torture’ and it makes Obama look like an idiot, came the two minute hate.

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/21/2013 @ 7:18 am

  148. My best guess is they react to pheromones differently. As far as smell is concerned, straight sex has its own odors, so I wouldn’t go there. Please.

    What does the smell of the anal area have to do with pheromones, much less it being a part of the human body that’s not exactly all that, uh, hygienic?

    Is it true that A&E tried to get the family not to rpay in Jesus’ name because it might offend Muslims?

    I wouldn’t put that past any organization or company full of New York limousine liberals. The idiocy, phoniness and two-faced nature (ie hypocrisy) of such people can be quite astonishing.

    Comment by Mark (58ea35) — 12/21/2013 @ 7:29 am

  149. Thanks. I haven’t seen the movie nor plan to. (Nothing to do with the SCOAMF, all war movies make me sick to my stomach for a long time now.)

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/21/2013 @ 7:49 am

  150. It’s more a detective story, of how they came to this conclusion,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/21/2013 @ 7:51 am

  151. Are some of you trying to say that the killing of bin laden, like landing on the moon ;-) , was faked???

    Other than we don’t put it past the President to take credit (but not responsibility or blame) for just about anything, what information do we have to make such a claim?

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/21/2013 @ 7:55 am

  152. Lack of evidence is evidence. What proof do we have that he was killed? We have unreliable, conflicting, and self-serving (on the part of the individual proponents not just Barry) hearsay, and walls of silence and misinformation.

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/21/2013 @ 8:14 am

  153. Well, if the only evidence one has is the claim of someone who is not trustworthy, you do have a point.
    Especially if that person has the power to make your life miserable if you try to call them on it.

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/21/2013 @ 8:21 am

  154. And, BTW, I do not rely on the theory that bin Laden died from his kidney problems years earlier, either. I knew somebody who lived on for another twenty years, to 80 or so, after being told he needed to go on dialysis and refused. We don’t know whether bin Laden is alive or dead.

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/21/2013 @ 8:31 am

  155. Come to think of it, between the treatment of people like Phil Robertson and the crap described below, the stereotypes that Islamo-fascists have of the Western World may be both understandable and rather appropriate.

    Since liberals are incubating Nidal-Hasan-ization throughout this society, it stands to reason that they truly deserve to be slotted into one big room full of bin Ladens.

    In the words of Sarah Palin: “Let Allah sort them out.”

    dailymail.co.uk, December 20: Defense giants Lockheed Martin is stopping all donations of the Boy Scouts of America as a result of the organizations continued ban on homosexual leaders. The company said is will no longer support any nonprofit organizations that do not align with its commitment to diversity or corporate policies on equality.

    Aerospace manufacturer Lockheed follows companies such as UPS Inc., Merck & Co. and computer-chip maker Intel in withdrawing support for the Boy Scouts over its anti-gay policy in the past two years.

    This year, the Boy Scouts of America revised its policy to allow homosexual young men to participate in Scouting, however, it maintained the ban on gay leaders.

    Comment by Mark (58ea35) — 12/21/2013 @ 8:42 am

  156. If the Boy Scouts want to cease to exist, they will allow gay scoutmasters. Our local troop’s scoutmaster is a woman. Parents who think the Scouts are a good thing are not stupid and they will not sacrifice their sons on the altar of political correctness.

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/21/2013 @ 8:50 am

  157. “as if often the case with on-air talent — than the reality TV star has little in the way of legal recourse.”
    – I know the above is a hypothetical, but, has there been ANY indication that the Robertson clan is seeking legal recourse?

    Comment by Icy (7a0ca2) — 12/21/2013 @ 9:06 am

  158. We don’t know whether bin Laden is alive or dead.

    nk, I want to say that’s an odd assumption to express, but no more so than what America’s Caligula is saying or assuming–about the value of cooing and oohing to Iran:

    Politico.com, December 20: President Barack Obama urged Congress Friday not to enact new sanctions on Iran in the near future and he suggested lawmakers advancing such measures are making political hay of the issue.

    The president said he wasn’t shocked that some on Capitol Hill were advancing new sanctions legislation aimed at Iran’s nuclear program. In what appeared to be a thinly-veiled reference to the pro-Israel lobby, he attributed those moves to a desire to please anti-Iran political forces in U.S.

    “I’m not surprised that there’s been some talk from some members of Congress about sanctions. I think the politics of trying to look tough on Iran are often good when you’re running for office — or if you’re in office,” Obama said.

    Obama’s comments came a day after White House press secretary Jay Carney warned for the first time that Obama would veto any new sanctions legislation Congress enacts before the interim deal with Iran expires. The president did not personally reiterate the veto threat Friday.

    Some people (including either cynics or psychics) have theorized we’re approaching another one of those noticeably dark moments in human history. If so, certain hints of that seem to be popping up here and there.

    Comment by Mark (58ea35) — 12/21/2013 @ 9:08 am

  159. will not sacrifice their sons on the altar of political correctness.

    But, hey, parents and your sons, if it’s good enough for the Catholic church — vis-a-vie priests and altar boys — it’s good enough for the Boy Scouts of America.

    Comment by Mark (58ea35) — 12/21/2013 @ 9:10 am

  160. Sigh.

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/21/2013 @ 9:19 am

  161. According to Google News headlines, Lockerbie was an “air disaster”. Ok, then.

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/21/2013 @ 9:35 am

  162. Yes, she was more and more prescient;

    http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2013/12/aq_courier_rebel_leader_zawahiri.php

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/21/2013 @ 9:41 am

  163. Icy,

    I don’t know if the Robertsons will sue — I doubt it — but I know they are praying for the people who are angry with them and probably for the people at A+E.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/21/2013 @ 9:50 am

  164. Speaking of prayer–please pray for our 2 brave engineer/astronauts who completed today’s space walk but were very cold–and who will do another spacewalk to replace the ammonia pump nodule on Monday. If necessary, they may have to go outside a third time–on Christmas Day –to complete the emegency installation which will allow the Space Station to continue.

    I wonder how many Americans know or care this drama is going on. Because hey, Kanye and Kim have a new house!

    http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/nasa-astronauts-ahead-schedule-urgent-spacewalk-repair/story?id=21297386

    Comment by elissa (78bee9) — 12/21/2013 @ 10:11 am

  165. Just read that A&E knew ahead of time that what Phil said in the interview, since they had a company rep with him when he gave the interview three weeks b4 it was released.

    Comment by peedoffamerican (c1890a) — 12/21/2013 @ 10:12 am

  166. that

    Comment by peedoffamerican (c1890a) — 12/21/2013 @ 10:14 am

  167. “I wonder how many Americans know or care this drama is going on. Because hey, Kanye and Kim have a new house!”

    elissa – I am just too busy trying to keep myself from talking about anus right now because Mr. Feets has proclaimed it inappropriate this time of year. It must be like wearing white after Labor Day or something.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/21/2013 @ 10:26 am

  168. Maybe there is an anus season Mr. Feets will inform us about.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/21/2013 @ 10:28 am

  169. omg i go a way for like a minute and it’s anus anus anus

    Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 12/21/2013 @ 10:37 am

  170. ANUS

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/21/2013 @ 10:40 am

  171. are you on anus time happyfeet?

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 12/21/2013 @ 10:41 am

  172. A&E was so vicariously outraged by Phil Robertson’s comments they scheduled a Duck Dynasty marathon.

    Go figure.

    Viewers boycott in droves.

    Winning!

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/21/2013 @ 10:49 am

  173. how do we know about the droves of viewers doing boycottings?

    Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 12/21/2013 @ 11:00 am

  174. Maybe there is an anus season Mr. Feets will inform us about.

    A subject that inspires guffaws in many people, to be sure. But since the left loves being prudish about, or the big nanny to, the issue of cigarette smoking, Happy Meals and big-gulp drinks, it’s time for them to be consistent and start showing more prudishness about what’s detailed below:

    familyresearchinst.org: Is the historic stance against homosexuality merely one of prejudice? Is homosexual behavior really as harmless as gays and [certain] health associations assert? Smokers and drug addicts don’t live as long as non-smokers or non-addicts, so we consider smoking and narcotics abuse harmful. The typical lifespan of homosexuals suggests that their activities are more destructive than smoking and about as dangerous as drugs.

    In a pioneering study, 6,737 obituaries from 18 U.S. homosexual journals during and after the height of the AIDS epidemic (13 years total) were compared to a large sample of obituaries from regular newspapers…. The median age of death for homosexuals…was virtually the same nationwide — and, overall, about 2% survived to old age. If AIDS was the listed cause of death, the median age was 39. For the 829 gays who were listed as dying of something other than AIDS, the median age of death was 42 and 9% died old. The 163 lesbians had a median age of death of 44 and 20% died old.

    Homosexuals fellate almost all of their sexual contacts (and ingest semen from about half of these. Semen contains many of the germs carried in the blood, so gays who practice oral sex incur medical risks akin to consuming raw human blood. Since the penis frequently has tiny lesions (and often will have been in unsanitary places such as a rectum), individuals so involved may become infected with hepatitis A or gonorrhea (and even HIV and hepatitis B). Since many contacts occur between strangers (70% of gays estimated that they had had sex only once with over half of their partners, and gays average somewhere between 10 and 110 different partners/year, the potential for infection is considerable.

    Surveys indicate that about 90% of gays have engaged in rectal intercourse, and about two-thirds do it regularly. In a 6-month long study of daily sexual diaries, gays averaged 110 sex partners and 68 rectal encounters a year. Rectal sex is dangerous. During rectal intercourse, the rectum becomes a mixing bowl for saliva and its germs and/or an artificial lubricant, the recipient’s own feces, whatever germs, infections or substances the penis has on it, and the seminal fluid of the inserter.

    Sperm, which is immunocompromising, readily penetrate the rectal lining (which is only one cell thick), and tearing or bruising of the anal wall is very common during anal/penile sex. Because of this, these substances gain almost direct access to the blood stream. Unlike heterosexual intercourse — in which sperm cannot penetrate the multilayered vagina and no feces are present — rectal intercourse is probably the most sexually efficient way to spread hepatitis B, HIV, syphilis, and a host of other blood-borne diseases.

    Comment by Mark (58ea35) — 12/21/2013 @ 11:01 am

  175. “how do we know about the droves of viewers doing boycottings?”

    I let my fingers do teh twitchy.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/21/2013 @ 11:16 am

  176. i don’t have cable and i feel left out Mr. daley

    like there’s this whole wondrous world of ducks and anuses and beards and salvation what is just beyond my reach

    it’s very frustration then i get distracted by my bissell spotbot

    Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 12/21/2013 @ 11:20 am

  177. *frustrating* i mean sorry i got distracted

    Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 12/21/2013 @ 11:20 am

  178. Mark! No! You are into creep territory. Again. Stop! You really have no sense of perspective, or sense of proportion, or sense of humor, do you?

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/21/2013 @ 11:25 am

  179. He’s sometimes a touch too diligent, like pikachu with the cupcakes,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/21/2013 @ 11:27 am

  180. a touch too diligent

    Could one say “anal”?

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/21/2013 @ 11:29 am

  181. “i don’t have cable and i feel left out Mr. daley”

    Mr. Feets – I don’t have no cable T.V. neither and nobody tells me nothing but I did manage to snag some Duck Dynasty clothing wear to send to my raging liberal family members out East for Xmas.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/21/2013 @ 11:33 am

  182. 133. …Some have speculated A&E thought they could turn them into another Honey Boo-Boo, rednecks “normal” folks could make fun of. The attempt to insert phony “bleeps” when the Robertsons refused to curse tends to confirm that opinion.

    Comment by Estragon (19fa04) — 12/20/2013 @ 11:52 pm

    I agree. Which is also why I agree with TMZ, that A&E was aware of Robertson’s views and how he expressed them. They just thought that was another aspect of Robertson’s that would invite mockery. Things aren’t working out that way. When you look at his supposed “gay bashing,” he actually paraphrased fairly accurately Paul in 1 Corinthians, and his list of sins that will prevent people from entering the Kingdom of God. He also said he wasn’t here to lead anyone’s life for them, that it was up to God to judge and not him, that he just gives people the Good News and loves people.

    In other words, many observers have noted, he didn’t say anything Pope Francis would say.

    Except the vagina and anus part.

    But he didn’t “bash” gays any more than he “bashed” drunkards or adulterers or swindlers. You don’t see them getting their panties in a wad.

    Things don’t seem to be working out like A&E hoped. I doubt they’ll fight to keep the Robertsons, although they may fight to keep them from going somewhere else. The fact that Duck Dynasty is a hot commodity for reasons other than the ones A&E was banking on no doubt embarrasses the duck out of them.

    Comment by Steve57 (e607ae) — 12/21/2013 @ 11:33 am

  183. i saw some duck dynasty clothing I kinda wanted Mr. daley but now it just reminds me of anus

    Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 12/21/2013 @ 11:38 am

  184. Mark – #174 does not exactly help promote steak and blowjobs day. Thanks a lot.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/21/2013 @ 11:38 am

  185. Here’s something to ponder (per Aaron Worthing via twitchy):

    If you’re OK with A&E’s firing/suspension Mr. Robertson because of his religious views, then you should have had no problem with Hollywood’s blacklisting of “communists”.

    Comment by Whitey Nisson (946358) — 12/21/2013 @ 11:39 am

  186. Mr. Feets – You have anus living rent free in your head.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/21/2013 @ 11:40 am

  187. that’s so gross i can’t believe you would even say that

    Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 12/21/2013 @ 11:44 am

  188. From Forbes:

    “By the end of 2013, Duck Dynasty product tie-ins will have raked in a massive $400 million in revenues according to industry sources. Sales in Walmart alone account for about half of that bounty, with some stores devoting entire aisles to Robertson-themed merchandise. Other major chains selling Duck Dynasty goods include Target TGT +0.55% and Kohl’s KSS +0.6%.”

    If I were Mr. Robertson, I’d tell A&E to stick their suspension up their collective “anus” … but then again, why give them the pleasure?

    Comment by Whitey Nisson (946358) — 12/21/2013 @ 11:47 am

  189. I have no problem with Hollywood blacklisting Communists. I might have been spared being forced to read The Crucible in high school if the blacklisting had been more thorough. I wish Hollywood were still doing it. Yeah, dream on, right?

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/21/2013 @ 11:50 am

  190. Mr. Feets – Some people pay good money to rent anus. Having it live rent free in your head is much cheaper.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/21/2013 @ 11:50 am

  191. It was a minor point, apparently they don’t really
    have problems with the other sins, even though People’s Cube had some fun at that.

    It’s striking the sentiment is so controversial, although the verbiage could have been put forth another way, but then it wouldn’t reach the folks in Rio linda,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/21/2013 @ 11:50 am

  192. i do not believe it

    Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 12/21/2013 @ 11:51 am

  193. Mr. Feets – I never met somebody who looked at a t-shirt wifout a big hairy butthole on it and immediately thought “anus” as you described above.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/21/2013 @ 12:06 pm

  194. That camo pattern reminds me of ANUS, just like a Jackson Pollock painting.

    Something nobody said.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/21/2013 @ 12:09 pm

  195. I want to have sex with that camo pattern because it reminds me of ANUS.

    Something else nobody said.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/21/2013 @ 12:12 pm

  196. Well I never got the point of Jackson Pollack,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/21/2013 @ 12:13 pm

  197. you’ve given me a lot to think about Mr. daley thank you

    Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 12/21/2013 @ 12:16 pm

  198. “Well I never got the point of Jackson Pollack”

    narciso – I’m pretty sure it’s not ANUS, but I could be wrong.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/21/2013 @ 12:17 pm

  199. Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/21/2013 @ 9:50 am

    I enjoyed the link. Especially interesting to see the story of the grandson after all of the success.

    Prior to this kerfuffle, all I knew about Duck Dynasty was that it was some cable show where the men had long beards and they sold stuff at Walmart.
    Thanks to GQ and A+E, now many more people probably know about them.
    I think that makes Mr. Phil and Miss Kay happy.

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/21/2013 @ 12:36 pm

  200. Probably, daley, speaking of things that disgust the conscience;

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/12/missouri-patriots-rally-at-claire-mccaskills-office-demand-apology-for-obamacare-lies/

    Akin doesn’t seem so bad by comparison,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/21/2013 @ 12:38 pm

  201. You really have no sense of perspective, or sense of proportion, or sense of humor, do you?

    Well, nk, I’ve long had a sense that the status of GLBT was more dysfunctional or mediocre — or even less mainstream — than some activists want the public to believe, per the comments (“rich white”) of the demographer below, and that GLBT people were enmeshed in liberal politics. A Gallup poll taken last year seems to confirm that.

    The black community is among the most monolithically leftwing in America, so the greater amount of homosexuality in that populace isn’t too surprising, although the Latino and, even more so, Asian sectors contending for second place is less expected. But, again, a combination of urban politics (ie, liberalism run amok) and the environments where many immigrant populations call home may be having some affect.

    colorlines.com, October 2012: The largest population-based survey of Lesbians, Gays, Bisexual and Transgender people ever conducted in the U.S. found LGBT identity is highest among those who are younger, non-white and low income. The Gallup survey released Thursday found 4.6% of blacks, 4.3% of Asians, 4% of Latinos and 3.2% of whites identify themselves as LGBT.

    Among those who report income, about 16% of LGBT-identified individuals have incomes above $90,000 per year, compared with 21% of the overall adult population. Additionally, 35% of those who identify as LGBT report incomes of less than $24,000 a year, significantly higher than the 24% for the population in general. These findings are consistent with research showing that LGBT people are at a higher risk of poverty.

    These data also explain why LGBT Americans are less satisfied with their standard of living than non-LGBT Americans. Nearly three-quarters of non-LGBT individuals (73%) say they are satisfied with their standard of living, compared with less than two-thirds (65%) of LGBT individuals.

    “It helps to counter what I think are some inappropriate stereotypes of the LGBT community,” the report’s lead author, demographer Gary Gates of the Williams Institute at the University of California-Los Angeles told USA Today. “If you spend a lot of time watching network television, you would think most LGBT people are rich white men who live in big cities. These data suggest the LGBT community reflects more of the diversity in the U.S. population.”

    Comment by Mark (58ea35) — 12/21/2013 @ 12:38 pm

  202. Meanwhile of Obama’s best buds is having a tough time;

    http://hotair.com/archives/2013/12/21/turkish-pm-issues-veiled-threat-to-expel-us-ambassador-as-corruption-probe-breaks-open/

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/21/2013 @ 12:43 pm

  203. how do we know about the droves of viewers doing boycottings?

    i poasted a link yesterday on one of these threads that purported to show A&E had lost over 4 million viewers week/week since this “crisis” arose…

    not sure where i put it though, so i’ll see if i can pull the original page out of my browser’s anus.

    8-)

    Comment by redc1c4 (abd49e) — 12/21/2013 @ 12:43 pm

  204. thank you

    Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 12/21/2013 @ 12:47 pm

  205. Somewhat unrelated;

    http://hotair.com/archives/2013/12/21/nyt-so-this-healthcare-law-is-turning-out-to-be-kind-of-a-pain-for-the-middle-class-huh/

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/21/2013 @ 12:49 pm

  206. 6.3 million purportedly boycotted the DD marathon on Thursday night. http://twitchy.com/2013/12/20/lou-dobbs-aes-duck-dynasty-marathon-will-teach-christians-a-lesson/

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/21/2013 @ 1:08 pm

  207. 191. It was a minor point, apparently they don’t really
    have problems with the other sins, even though People’s Cube had some fun at that.

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/21/2013 @ 11:50 am

    The libs are trying to rewrite the Bible so that homosexuality isn’t a sin. Their objections to homosexuality being listed among the other sins in the Bible make sense, as long as your familiarity with it amounts to hearing about what it says in a speech by Obama. The parts that support liberal policies are played up. In one of candidate Obama’s speeches he said the Sermon on the Mount supported his (then claimed) views on gay civil unions. Those other parts of the Bible that condemn homosexuality. Those, according to Obama, are “obscure.” And no doubt we yokels don’t really understand the Bible anyway. We “originalists” who think Paul knew what he was saying are out of touch. Besides, Paul the Jew from Tarsus was a bigoted homophobe and just an old dead white male (Jesus the Jew from Nazareth was black).

    We need GLAAD to explain the Bible to us.

    It’s like the bill of rights. Only liberals understand it. The second amendment. It doesn’t mean what the words printed on the page say. It means the national guard. Meanwhile, rights emanating from penumbras but not actually written into the Constitution like abortion are absolute and Shall Not Be Questioned.

    The whole liberal project depends on the great historical rewrite. That’s really my problem with gay marriage.

    Well, one of them. There’s the central planning aspect of it all. Our superiors have decided we’re the first society on Earth that doesn’t need an institution into which to channel the procreative impulse. We’re abolishing marriage as western civilization’s means of doing so. It’s being imposed against the will of the people, as we’ve seen in the recent Utah decision, from the top down. How do I expect that to work out? About as well as China’s one child policy. Kevin M raised the issue of polygamy, and since it results in excess young men with no prospect of marrying it can destabilize society. Not really; polygamous societies evolved ways of dealing with that along with evolving the tradition of polygamy. The Yanomamo’s wars are wars for women. That’s how the Arabs did it. It wasn’t only religious zeal. Although if you adopt a religion that tells you if you conquer in Allah’s name you have the right to as much infidel kooter as you want the next thing you know your excess young men have been religiously inspired to conquer North Africa, the Holy Land, and Persia.

    When you’re centrally planned into having half a billion or so excess young men do to the fact the geniuses in Beijing imposed a one child policy on a society that overwhelmingly values boys over girls, what to do, what to do? No cultural response to that. Similarly, our geniuses are taking us all over the cultural cliff into the great unknown too.

    But I digress. Judge Vaughn Walker’s Prop 8 decision was a complete rewrite of history in order claim marriage isn’t about procreation, but that it never was. We get a month to month rewrite of history with Obamacare. Obama never promised you could keep your insurance plan. Sometimes it’s a second to second rewrite of history. Like when a CNN reporter asked DWS about the discord she just saw on the DNC floor, and DWS said you didn’t see that there was no discord. You are misremembering. Follow the swinging watch with your eyes. You are getting very sleepy. When you wake up, you will correctly remember everything.

    Then there’s the nonstop propaganda and the coercion. But I’ll stop here.

    Comment by Steve57 (e607ae) — 12/21/2013 @ 1:13 pm

  208. *excess young men do due to the fact

    Comment by Steve57 (e607ae) — 12/21/2013 @ 1:16 pm

  209. Hard to imagine the small percentage of males that enjoy anus buggering get to dictate what can be spoken on the television.

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 12/21/2013 @ 1:20 pm

  210. So, Mark @201, your answer to all of nk’s questions is “no.”

    Comment by Steve57 (e607ae) — 12/21/2013 @ 1:22 pm

  211. Serves me right for being busy yesterday … where to start ?

    OK …

    mr feets #187 – it’s like that Toyota commercial *almost* said … “You assed for it, you got it ! !” …

    daleyrocks #s 193, 194, 195 – you’re just coming out with them one after ANUSser …

    (innocent grin)

    Comment by Alastor (2e7f9f) — 12/21/2013 @ 1:39 pm

  212. O/T but uplifting.

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/12/remains-of-missing-pow-finally-return-to-widow-after-63-years/

    Army Sgt. 1st Class Joseph Gantt told his wife to remarry if he didn’t come back from the war. She told him no. He had a hard enough time getting her to say yes. He was it.

    For 63 years, the World War II and Korean War veteran was missing in action and presumed dead, but Clara Gantt, 94, held out hope and never remarried.

    Comment by Steve57 (e607ae) — 12/21/2013 @ 1:39 pm

  213. http://www.tmz.com/2013/12/21/a-and-e-duck-dynasty-gay-gq-phil-robertson/

    Enjoy the double speak and obtuseness.

    We’re told A&E CEO Nancy Dubuc felt she could not in good conscience ask gay employees to kill themselves for a show when he disrespected them by calling them sinners.

    Our sources say … gay employees involved in the production — and there are a number of them — were outraged by Phil’s comments to GQ and wanted Dubuc to give him the ax.

    We’re told Dubuc felt this way … If Phil had made similar comments about African Americans or Jews … there would have been a public outcry for his head. She felt it was just plain wrong not to have the same sense of indignation when the comments were directed at gays.

    …Our sources say A&E is adamant — this has nothing to do with being “anti-religion.” Fact is … the network runs lots of religious programming, notably, Mark Burnett’s “The Bible.”

    Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/12/21/a-and-e-duck-dynasty-gay-gq-phil-robertson/#ixzz2o9Hq6IIw

    Got that? They aren’t anti-religion. They’ve got a show about the Bible. They just get upset when Phil Robertson tells them what’s in it.

    Comment by Steve57 (e607ae) — 12/21/2013 @ 1:53 pm

  214. “you’ve given me a lot to think about Mr. daley thank you”

    Mr. Feets – Thank you kindly. I try.

    Merry Xmas to you and yours. Wrap like a banshee!

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/21/2013 @ 2:16 pm

  215. i’m a not be home for christmas they can’t count on me I’m a not be home for christmas I’m a stay and do laundry

    Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 12/21/2013 @ 2:17 pm

  216. “Robertson’s pastor Mike Kellett said, “There were greater things on our mind than the firestorm about this [GQ magazine] article.”

    Speaking to CNN, Kellett said Robertson isn’t worried about being suspended over what he said because he believes he told the truth: “He’s very calm, and very confident that if he serves the Lord, God will take care of everything.”

    Kellett is pastor of White’s Ferry Road Church of Christ, where Robertson is an elder. He said that in that role Robertson “offers spiritual counsel, helps teach the faith, host Bible studies and offers charity to the poor.”

    Comment by Dana (e1b018) — 12/21/2013 @ 2:35 pm

  217. Beijing imposed a one child policy on a society that overwhelmingly values boys over girls, what to do, what to do

    In order to occupy the pent-up frustrations of young males — to distract them and possibly reduce their excess numbers — perhaps start a war with neighboring countries, particularly Japan? After all, there are some very odd negative trends cropping up in Asia and other parts of the world nowadays, and it’s a great relief knowing that the judgment and wisdom of people like the president of the US can be trusted and relied upon at moments like these.

    So, Mark @201, your answer to all of nk’s questions is “no.”

    Steve57, I’m not sure whether you mean my reply should be “yes” to no, or “no” to yes. I’ll say that when topics like this one are being discussed, I do think back to the bawdy-blue humor and no-holds-barred comments of Howard Stern.

    gay employees involved in the production — and there are a number of them — were outraged by Phil’s comments to GQ and wanted Dubuc to give him the ax.

    That figures.

    BTW, Phil’s comments weren’t necessarily anti-homosexual in general since he was singling out an aspect of same-sex behavior that involves males instead of women. IOW, gay females weren’t necessarily in his focal point. Maybe that’s one reason why noted feminist Camille Paglia not only wasn’t pissed off at his opinion but was actually irked at the leftwing politically-correct squad at places like A&E. Actually, it’s possible she responded the way she did because, although she too is of the left, she isn’t as much of a mindless liberal as the “outraged” employees of A&E undoubtedly are.

    Leftism and the GLBT crowd are so closely aligned, it’s hard to know where one begins and one leaves off.

    Comment by Mark (58ea35) — 12/21/2013 @ 2:36 pm

  218. BTW, Phil’s comments weren’t necessarily anti-homosexual in general since he was singling out an aspect of same-sex behavior that involves males instead of women. IOW, gay females weren’t necessarily in his focal point. IOW, gay females weren’t necessarily in his focal point. Maybe that’s one reason why noted feminist Camille Paglia not only wasn’t pissed off…

    Yes, I’ve noticed that lesbians aren’t at all PO’d at Phil cuz he was just talking about teh gay guys.

    And clearly when he was talking about sexual attraction from his perspective he was also making a theological distinction between male and female homosexuals.

    Comment by Steve57 (be5be1) — 12/21/2013 @ 2:53 pm

  219. IOW, gay females weren’t necessarily in his focal point. IOW, gay females weren’t necessarily in his focal point.

    So nice I said it twice.

    The Bible says teh good gay rocks, ladies.

    Comment by Steve57 (be5be1) — 12/21/2013 @ 2:55 pm

  220. America’s confusion thickens. Now taking a stand for your biblical beliefs is labeled as immoral. Wow, just wow. I blame the spinlessness of our church leaders and their wish to offend the sensibilities of a minority. Shame!

    Comment by The Emperor AKA the ReAlist (98014f) — 12/21/2013 @ 3:11 pm

  221. Comment by elissa (78bee9) — 12/21/2013 @ 10:11 am

    I wonder how many Americans know or care this drama is going on.

    It got a litle bit mention ihe news but you could forget. There is no mention of any worry about teh astronauts, only whether they’ll be able to fix it or not – and if not hey’ll have to go home.

    I didn’t know that for 37 years (!) not a single spacecraft, manned or unmanned, had landed on the moon. Yes, tghere were things on Mars, but nothing on the moon since 1976. Now China put something down there, and they are planning to do it again in four years.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (9fe80b) — 12/21/2013 @ 3:19 pm

  222. 165. Comment by peedoffamerican (c1890a) — 12/21/2013 @ 10:12 am

    Just read that A&E knew ahead of time that what Phil said in the interview, since they had a company rep with him when he gave the interview three weeks b4 it was released.

    Yes, but they didn’t know some organizations would make a big complaint about it.

    They’re not up to speed on political religious correctness.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (9fe80b) — 12/21/2013 @ 3:22 pm

  223. 59. 60. Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/20/2013 @ 2:08 pm and 2:09 pm:

    It’s great PR for the marathon and I doubt it’s a coincidence.

    That the interview was released now, no it;s not a coincidence. That there would be a controversy – they probably didn’t want that.

    I wonder who owns the series? I bet A+E does, so it may not care too much if Duck Dynasty goes away or not. It can replay the first 4 seasons for years.

    Maybe, eventually, after this fades away. They’d probably like to extract a confession of error.

    The Roman Catholic Church was always big on recantations, and they can take that as their model..

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (9fe80b) — 12/21/2013 @ 3:27 pm

  224. Comment by Mark (58ea35) — 12/21/2013 @ 11:01 am

    The 163 lesbians had a median age of death of 44 and 20% died old.

    Now, why should that be?

    That could be an argument that in previous generations there were many fewer lesbians, or they weren’t known. Which, if true, might undrmine the premise somewhat.

    What did the lesbians die of?

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (9fe80b) — 12/21/2013 @ 3:32 pm

  225. Carpetiosis

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (01ad4d) — 12/21/2013 @ 3:38 pm

  226. Clamidia

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (01ad4d) — 12/21/2013 @ 3:39 pm

  227. Google:

    Your search – Carpetiosis – did not match any documents.

    Bing (without explaining it) gives you results for carpet and Isis or Issis.

    Like this: http://isiscarpet.com/

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (9fe80b) — 12/21/2013 @ 3:42 pm

  228. While this might not be a violation of the 1st Amendment, isn’t it against Federal Law to discriminate against a person based upon their race, sex, creed, or religion ?

    Comment by peedoffamerican (c1890a) — 12/21/2013 @ 3:43 pm

  229. There were fewer lesbians? Thanks for the laugh, Finky.

    Comment by Huitzilincuatec (f7d5ba) — 12/21/2013 @ 3:45 pm

  230. You mean Chlamydia.

    Well, it seems like they can get an STD, but are they more likely to get one?

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1195678/

    RESULTS: An infection was diagnosed in 129 (65%) of the lesbians and 126 (62%) of the heterosexual women. Only 23 (10%) of the lesbians exclusively practised same gender sexual contact. Genital herpes (p = 0.05) and genital warts (p = 0.005) were more common in the heterosexual women. Gonorrhoea and chlamydia infection were infrequent diagnoses in both groups, occurring in four (2%) lesbians and 14 (7%) heterosexuals (p = 0.05). Bacterial vaginosis occurred in 65 (33%) of the lesbians and 27 (13%) of the heterosexuals (p < 0.0001). Cervical cytology abnormalities were uncommon but only found in the lesbians.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (9fe80b) — 12/21/2013 @ 3:45 pm

  231. 229. Comment by Huitzilincuatec (f7d5ba) — 12/21/2013 @ 3:45 pm

    There were fewer lesbians? Thanks for the laugh, Finky.

    Fewer lesbians born before about 1940 than later – thus the lesbians who died from around the mid-1980s to the year 2000, or whatever period exactly that study covered, were relatively young.

    There were not many older lesbians to die, just like there were not many older rock musicians.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (9fe80b) — 12/21/2013 @ 3:50 pm

  232. 224. …What did the lesbians die of?

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (9fe80b) — 12/21/2013 @ 3:32 pm

    dykabetes

    Comment by Steve57 (be5be1) — 12/21/2013 @ 3:54 pm

  233. The penis is not meant for a dude’s anus. If God intended for men to sex men he would have provided for it as He did in women. And why are we so excited about gay rights? What about a church going Christian’s right of expression? Why do we allow a minority so much power? I don’t care who supports it, homosexuality is a sin. God does not hate sinners but He hates sin. It is time for those who name the name of God to speak up against this nonsense.

    Comment by The Emperor AKA the ReAlist (cbe4e9) — 12/21/2013 @ 4:02 pm

  234. Sammy, do you think perhaps it is hard to take “studies” on that issue seriously since as you sorta point out yourself both lesbians and gay men were largely, you know, in the closet, before thirty years ago. Sure, there were some who were out and proud for decades and people “guessed” in Oscar Wilde’s time onward, but really.. Who did this study anyway? That nutty Jacobson dude from CSPI?

    Comment by elissa (78bee9) — 12/21/2013 @ 4:10 pm

  235. 224- toungeulouses

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 12/21/2013 @ 4:12 pm

  236. wow we went like 20 whole comments without anybody talking about anus

    Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 12/21/2013 @ 4:15 pm

  237. Earth First!
    Mars Rocks!
    Jupiter Rules!
    Saturn Shines!
    Up Uranus!

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/21/2013 @ 4:28 pm

  238. 234. …people “guessed” in Oscar Wilde’s time onward…

    Comment by elissa (78bee9) — 12/21/2013 @ 4:10 pm

    Well, to be accurate, and at least in Oscar Wilde’s case, they did a little more than guess.

    Wilde never should have brought that charge of criminal libel against the Marquess of Queensberry. Discovery, as they say, is a b***h.

    Comment by Steve57 (be5be1) — 12/21/2013 @ 4:36 pm

  239. 236. wow we went like 20 whole comments without anybody talking about anus

    Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 12/21/2013 @ 4:15 pm

    Thanks for correcting that oversight.

    Comment by Steve57 (be5be1) — 12/21/2013 @ 4:37 pm

  240. Comment by elissa (78bee9) — 12/21/2013 @ 4:10 pm

    Who did this study anyway? That nutty Jacobson dude from CSPI?

    It is cited by Mark @ 174 as coming from familyresearchinst.org. It seems to come originally from the in the Omega Journal of Death and Dying in 1994 – which would lace it ENTIRELY during the height of the AIDS epidemic, which lasted until 1995 (after which a drug regimen could keep them from dying) – with the 13-year period maybe extending a little bit before it started.

    http://www.wiredstrategies.com/relycameron.html says:

    the footnote reads: “Paul Cameron, Ph.D., William L. Playfair, M.D., Stephen Wellum, B.A., ” ‘The Longevity of Homosexuals: Before and After the AIDS Epidemic,’ Omega: The Journal of Death and Dying, Vol. 29, No. 3, 1994.” – http://www.frc.org/podium/pd97d7fs.html

    1994 is NOT after.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (9fe80b) — 12/21/2013 @ 4:38 pm

  241. AIDS was originally nicknamed the homosexuals’ disease. Why do you think that is so? It is a cursed lifestyle and through it millions have died, including heterosexuals. But homosexuality opened the door.

    Comment by The Emperor AKA the ReAlist (5647ed) — 12/21/2013 @ 4:47 pm

  242. I don’t hate homosexuals. I just believe we don’t have to endorse a behavior simply because some people were born with certain sexuality dysfunction. They should go for treatment and counseling and in some cases prayers so that they can be get well. Today it’s gay marriage, what will it be tomorrow? Bestiality marriage? (man marrying his dog?). Where do we draw the line? May God help us.

    Comment by The Emperor AKA the ReAlist (5647ed) — 12/21/2013 @ 4:53 pm

  243. who opened the cellar door?

    Comment by redc1c4 (abd49e) — 12/21/2013 @ 4:56 pm

  244. redc–prolly best not to ask rhetorical open ended questions when Sam is around. I keep forgetting that ,myself.

    Comment by elissa (78bee9) — 12/21/2013 @ 5:12 pm

  245. Now I believe you can get some information out of this, but the claim hat, aside from AIDS, homosexuals die at overwhelingly young ages, does not follow, even if it is true that theer were extra deaths from other diseases, like hepatitus, or even from drugs.

    http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron_obit.html gives a critique.

    They say that only 2% of the obituaries were of lesbians. But the Cameron group that did the study had estimated the ratio of gay men-to-lesbians at about 1.6-to-1 (or approximately 2.6-to-1 if bisexuals are omitted)!

    The ratio of gay male-to-lesbian obituaries in the study is approximately 6-to-1 if AIDS and violent deaths are excluded, 32-to-1 if they are included. So this is NOT a random sample.

    Just as it is tilted toward male homosexuals, it may be tilted by age.

    Mark’s source says

    6,737 obituaries from 18 U.S. homosexual journals during and after the height of the AIDS epidemic (13 years total) were compared to a large sample of obituaries from regular newspapers

    The study found 163 obituaries of lesbians, 829 male homosexuals who died of something other than AIDS, [that would be 5-1 and includes violent deaths] and something like 5,700 male homsexuals who died of AIDS.

    I do believe the high number of deaths due to AIDS is not misleading, like ucdavis.edu page tries to imply, but the conclusion that, aside from AIDS, male homosexuals overwhelmingly died at a young age might be at least exaggerated, even if there is some truth to it, due to other diseases, like hepatitus, or possibly drug use..

    You would expect the deaths from AIDS to be at a younger age than other deaths, and you do find that, but not by much: a median age of 39 for male homosexuals who died of AIDS, age 42 for those who died from other causes, and age 44 for lesbians. (but 20% of the lesbians were over 65, and only 9% of non-AIDS mle hommosexuals)

    So it looks like people above a certain age – or more probably, born before a certain year – just would have a hard time getting into those newspapers.

    I think it would useful to compare age of death say, in 1981 with 1994. I think you’d see a rise.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (9fe80b) — 12/21/2013 @ 5:20 pm

  246. Comment by The Emperor AKA the ReAlist (5647ed) — 12/21/2013 @ 4:53 pm

    I just believe we don’t have to endorse a behavior simply because some people were born with certain sexuality dysfunction.

    I don’t believe they were born with it.

    Are pedophiles also born that way?

    How about people wiith various sexual fetishes, including some that incolve objects that didn’t exist many generations ago?

    The problem on one side is, that some people don’t want to acknowledge that this is at least a dysfunction, and on the other side, some people think that it can be cured.

    And some people think that it is posisble to repent (and undo the effects of) every sin.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (9fe80b) — 12/21/2013 @ 5:27 pm

  247. I don’t believe people are born gay. I know that identical twins don’t share 100% of their DNA. But approximately 40% of the time when they are raised in the same environment, one twin is gay the other isn’t. The odds of identical twins not sharing a homosexual orientation increases if they are raised in different environments, as when raised by different adoptive parents. So it seems to me if there is a genetic component it isn’t determinative.

    But what I love is how gays will argue they were born that way.

    The LGBT crowd is full of people who will tell you that gender is a social construct. And feminists will insist that in order to be a true feminist, you must be a lesbian. So you can choose not to be a heterosexual as a political statement.

    But being gay? No, that’s the one thing that’s hard wired and can’t be changed. The one immutable genetic characteristic concerning sexuality is gayness.

    Comment by Steve57 (be5be1) — 12/21/2013 @ 8:37 pm

  248. they are raised in the same environment, if one twin is gay the other isn’t.

    I didn’t mean approximately 40% of the time one identical twin is gay and the other isn’t.

    I meant to say that should one of the twins grow up to be gay, 40% of the time the other isn’t.

    Comment by Steve57 (be5be1) — 12/21/2013 @ 8:40 pm

  249. So which network would be the best fit for Duck Dynasty if/when their contract with A+E ends? It’s such a highly ranked show that a lot of networks might want it, but who would take the leap?

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/21/2013 @ 9:45 pm

  250. 249-The Blaze. I don’t always concur with Beck, but having his channel reach the no information voter can’t be a bad thing.
    Fox needs competition.

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 12/22/2013 @ 2:40 am

  251. Funny, how no behavior short of murder, seems to forclose their earning prospects;

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/12/22/charlie-sheen-rips-duck-dynasty-patriarch-over-homosexuality-remarks/

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/22/2013 @ 6:11 am

  252. 247. Comment by Steve57 (be5be1) — 12/21/2013 @ 8:37 pm

    But what I love is how gays will argue they were born that way.

    But, let us not forget, they also say it is not inherited.

    Which leaves events in the womb as the explanation.

    But there is no real reason to accept this theory as the explanation, except that it is the most convenient.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (9fe80b) — 12/22/2013 @ 6:52 am

  253. Your search – Carpetiosis – did not match any documents.

    LOL.

    Sammy, you (apparently inadvertently) and Colonel Haiku should take your act and go on the road.

    BTW, the words “carpet” and “muncher” are among the off-color metaphors that make me both wince and laugh at.

    Comment by Mark (58ea35) — 12/22/2013 @ 7:55 am

  254. schvantzstukerphobia

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (146aeb) — 12/22/2013 @ 8:01 am

  255. AIDS was originally nicknamed the homosexuals’ disease.

    I originally assumed that was due to the promiscuity of many gay males in particular and not because of any specific type of sexual behavior on their part. IOW, I was thinking of well-known figures like Magic Johnson who had presumably never received contaminated blood transfusions, presumably never shared contaminated needles, and presumably never been involved in the most extreme form of male-to-male sexual contact. Then I read not too long ago that it’s very, very uncommon for a male to be infected with HIV who hasn’t also been involved in anal intercourse, and apparently on the receiving side of that behavior. I originally thought transmission was just as likely to occur through oral contact, or what Bill Clinton and Monica are infamous for. Apparently not.

    Comment by Mark (58ea35) — 12/22/2013 @ 8:04 am

  256. Charlie Sheen, narciso? That paragon of virtue and righteous living? Kind and gentle, temperate and generous, who sold all his property and gave the money to the poor, and spends his days washing and bandaging the sores of lepers?

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/22/2013 @ 8:05 am

  257. But what I love is how gays will argue they were born that way.

    I’ve observed seemingly androgynous (or effeminate) guys through the years who upon first glance strike me as being probably gay. Then in more than a few instances, I’ve been surprised when they’ve started talking about their wife or girlfriend. That, along with stories like the one about the wife of New York City’s new mayor or a British actor who’s one of the few to publicly describe himself as homosexual yet who has also said he’s had legitimate affairs with women, make me realize that sexuality is more dynamic and contradictory than most liberals want to admit to.

    Then again, there’s the “B” in “GLBT,” and the fact the “born-that-way” crowd tends to sidestep that facet of life is an extension of their do-your-own-thang MO in general, in which embracing non-conformity (as the left defines it) — no matter how extreme — is seen as a wonderful, humane, generous response.

    To be honest, I used to be a bit more liberal about this issue years ago, but I now realize that, once again, the conservative angle is more accurate than even I assumed originally. Regrettably, much of society is moving in the other direction, and in light of reports such as same-sex rape increasing in today’s US military, I now have a better sense that the biblical story of Sodom and the character of Lot can be treated as a lesson in (and forewarning about) the most debased aspects of human nature.

    Comment by Mark (58ea35) — 12/22/2013 @ 8:23 am

  258. Colonel – You forgot carpal tongue syndrome.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/22/2013 @ 8:38 am

  259. Morning ANUS

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/22/2013 @ 8:40 am

  260. just touch my cheek before you leave me

    baby

    Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 12/22/2013 @ 8:41 am

  261. 255. Comment by Mark (58ea35) — 12/22/2013 @ 8:04 am

    I was thinking of well-known figures like Magic Johnson who had presumably never received contaminated blood transfusions, presumably never shared contaminated needles, and presumably never been involved in the most extreme form of male-to-male sexual contact.

    I never beleived for one minute that Magic Johnson was HIV-positive and everything I have read since then confirms it.

    I think Magic Johnson retired tio cut short some sort of criminal investigation, probably involving gambling, and he said he had AIDS/was HOV-positive to explain his sudden retirement.

    He retired in 1991, about four years before the drug regimen that enabled long term survival of AIDS patients became generally available.

    He has never shown any signs of side-effects from any drugs he was taking and I believe at one time he admitted he was HIV-negative.

    http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=2784294

    The cover-up continues.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (9fe80b) — 12/22/2013 @ 8:57 am

  262. “I never beleived for one minute that Magic Johnson was HIV-positive and everything I have read since then confirms it.”

    Sammy – I have never believed there was a conspiracy theory that Magic Johnson faked his HIV announcement to cut short a criminal investigation or gambling issue. Please present your evidence.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/22/2013 @ 9:05 am

  263. I never beleived for one minute that Magic Johnson was HIV-positive

    Sammy, you’re entering Rosie-O’Donnell territory, where a person will believe that, for example, 9-11 was an inside job because, hey, steel girders in a skyscraper cannot possibly melt.

    Incidentally, Magic Johnson happens to have a son who, based on a TV interview of him, is stereotypically, flamboyantly gay.

    Comment by Mark (58ea35) — 12/22/2013 @ 9:11 am

  264. …HOV-positive…

    I knew it! I always see Magic Johnson in the High Occupancy Vehicle lane and there’s no one else in the car and I wondered how he got away with it until now.

    He’s HOV-positive.

    Comment by Steve57 (be5be1) — 12/22/2013 @ 9:11 am

  265. Dilditis

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (58bb61) — 12/22/2013 @ 10:07 am

  266. The story as to how Magic Johnson got infected never made any sense. His need to retire never made any sense. (and as amatetr of fact, he played in the 1992 All Star game, and the Olympics, and at least one exhibition game, and later coached (and bought part ownership in the team) in 1994, and came back to play in 1996.

    http://www.nba.com/history/players/johnsonm_stats.html

    He should have had debilitating symptoms from the AZT, and probably shouldn’t have lived till 1995 when the drug cocktail they later used became generally available.

    By 1997, they were saying:

    http://lubbockonline.com/news/040597/doctors.htm

    Doctors: Magic’s HIV is at undetectable levels, but he’s not virus-free

    By DARA AKIKO TOM
    Associated Press Writer

    LOS ANGELES (AP) – Powerful drugs have reduced the AIDS virus in Magic Johnson’s body to undetectable levels, his doctors said Friday.

    ”Earvin is doing very well,” Drs. David Ho and Michael Mellman said in a statement. ”However, we must emphasize that ‘undetectable’ doesn’t equal ‘absent.’ It would be premature and incorrect to say Earvin is ‘virus-free.”’

    We even get this:

    http://www.terezowens.com/magic-johnson-was-original-patient-x-for-hiv-cure/

    No, he didn’t geta stem-cell tansplant.

    Magic Johnson himself attributes it to…

    http://sandrarose.com/2008/05/magic-johnsons-hiv-cure-natrol/

    Magic Johnson’s HIV Cure: Natrol
    Thursday, May 22, 2008

    Today, Magic Johnson’s HIV viral load is undetectable in his blood stream.

    How did he do it? By fighting the infection naturally with a supplement called Natrol.

    I wasn’t able to find anything about any onvestigation, but I do recall reading something somewhere. I did find out that Michael Jordan stopped an investigation into his gambling with his first retirement in 1993, so we see this is possible.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (9fe80b) — 12/22/2013 @ 10:25 am

  267. 199. Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/21/2013 @ 12:36 pm

    Prior to this kerfuffle, all I knew about Duck Dynasty was that it was some cable show where the men had long beards and they sold stuff at Walmart.

    All that I knew was that Phil Robertson’s endorsement was supposed to have resulted in Vance McAllister being elected to Congress from the 5th Congressional District in Louisiana. Tat’s when I first heard of the show.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/17/louisiana-voters-pick-between-two-republicans-to-fill-open-congressional-seat/

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (9fe80b) — 12/22/2013 @ 10:32 am

  268. Cops stop their gambling investigation because you retire… and that’s it?

    Really?

    Come on

    Comment by steveg (794291) — 12/22/2013 @ 10:47 am

  269. Comment by Mark (58ea35) — 12/22/2013 @ 9:11 am

    Sammy, you’re entering Rosie-O’Donnell territory, where a person will believe that, for example, 9-11 was an inside job because, hey, steel girders in a skyscraper cannot possibly melt.

    No, Rosie-O’Donnell territory is believing there is a secret cure for HIV infection that money can buy.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (dbe090) — 12/22/2013 @ 10:48 am

  270. 268 Comment by steveg (794291) — 12/22/2013 @ 10:47 am

    .Cops stop their gambling investigation because you retire… and that’s it?

    Really?

    Come on

    They can’t gather more evidence, and now it is not so important.

    In the case of Michael Jordan, it wasn’t cops, it was the NBA.

    http://2daysports.com/untold-story-of-why-michael-jordan-retired-in-1993-2000.html

    It was O.J. Simpson who probably stopped an income tax investigation by killing his ex-wife in 1994. (he – and otgehr famous ex-players – had been making money signing autographs and not reporting the income – Nicole had threatened or actually gone to the IRS – I think Robert Kardashian counseled him to kill her and helped plan it.)

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (dbe090) — 12/22/2013 @ 10:56 am

  271. I think Robert Kardashian counseled him to kill her and helped plan it.

    Sammy, I hope you haven’t booked a lifetime pass to Rosie-O’Donnell territory.

    Comment by Mark (58ea35) — 12/22/2013 @ 11:07 am

  272. If anyone in addition to Sammy needs an explanation as to how it is perfectly reasonable for Magic Johnson to have HIV infection yet to have done as well as he has, raise your hand (virtually), and if I “see” enough, I’ll explain.
    But if one knows facts about HIV, it is about as easy to explain as 2+2=4.

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/22/2013 @ 11:14 am

  273. SF: I think Robert Kardashian counseled him to kill her and helped plan it.

    Comment by Mark (58ea35) — 12/22/2013 @ 11:07 am

    Sammy, I hope you haven’t booked a lifetime pass to Rosie-O’Donnell territory.

    Well, who do you suppose knocked on Kato’s wall and left the second bloody glove there right outside?

    It wasn’t O.J. he wasn’t back yet, and he’d have no reason to do that.

    It was Robert Kardashian thinking OJ was in there. He didn’t know OJ was late getting back because he had to kill Ron Goldman, too.

    It was OJ’s job to drop off the bloody clothes in a airport garbage bin, so RK was making sure he got it, and it went with all the other bloody clothes. He wasn’t going to be stuck with the bloody glove, and besides they had a foolproof plan for getting rid of the knife and the bloody clothes. RK confined himself to getting the Bronco washed.

    THERE WERE OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED, AND THEY HAD A CONNECTION TO THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER (and a jury was selected biased to thoe who got their news from it)

    Till O.J. was acquitted every story was that he was innocent. After he was acquitted every stoiry was how he did it, acting completely ALONE.

    It probably wasn’t OJ’s idea, because then if he involved other people he wouldn’t have coimitted the murders himself. It was somebody else’s idea – that’s why O.J. was the actual killer.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (dbe090) — 12/22/2013 @ 11:23 am

  274. The Nidal-Hasaz-ization of American society has gotten so bad, so bad enough, that it even reached the point it did in the first place with a company like the one below.

    foxnews.com, December 22:

    “We were flat out wrong.”

    That’s the message Cracker Barrel is sending to enraged customers after the restaurant chain removed Duck Dynasty items from its stores over fears it might offend people.

    “Our intent was to avoid offending but that’s just what we’ve done,” Cracker Barrel said in a statement posted on its Facebook page. “You told us we made a mistake. And, you weren’t shy about it. You wrote, you called and you took to social media to express your thoughts and feelings.”

    One of those customers was Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council. He said his family has eaten in nearly every Cracker Barrel in the country. “Cracker Barrel must be off their rocker,” he said in a statement to Fox News. “For Cracker Barrel to take the bait of an organization like GLAAD, which has led the attack on Phil Robertson, they are betraying the values of the vast majority of their customers.”

    “Today, we are putting all our Duck Dynasty products back in our stores,” Cracker Barrel stated. “And, we apologize for offending you.”

    Comment by Mark (58ea35) — 12/22/2013 @ 11:25 am

  275. It wasn’t O.J. he wasn’t back yet,

    Oh, my. [Shakes head]

    Comment by Mark (58ea35) — 12/22/2013 @ 11:28 am

  276. OJ had many guns. He didn’t use any. And he wore gloves. Why? So there would be no ballistics tests that could convict him, and no fingerprints left at the scene.

    This crime was planned, not spur of the moment.

    And an alibi was planned. He was going to get on an airplane (in the days before long lines and early check-in) and later would argue Nicole had been killed at a time when he was on an airplane.

    But the dog named Kato barked and the bodies were found very quickly, and it was impossible to tamper mu-ch with the time of death, although the defense tried to get MArcia Clark to stipulate to a time 15 minutes or more too late.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (dbe090) — 12/22/2013 @ 11:30 am

  277. SF: It wasn’t O.J. he wasn’t back yet,

    No, he wasn’t back yet. Kato saw him come into the grounds later. The bronco wasn’t back yet.

    OJ had parked the Bronco some distance away and was walking home.

    The Bronco wasn’t even back when Allan Park the limo driver, left. He didn’t see it.

    Robert Kardashian (probably) had taken it to a car wash. Later, he couldn’t get onto the grounds and left it hastily parked on the street. He didn’t anyone to see him parking that car – at around 12:30 or 1:30 am.

    The limo driver and/or Kato did see, I think, another car inside that wasn’t there the next morning. That was probably Kardashian’s own car.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (dbe090) — 12/22/2013 @ 11:35 am

  278. Comment by Mark (58ea35) — 12/22/2013 @ 11:25 am
    I have eaten at a few Cracker Barrels. It is a toss up as to which would be more DD friendly, Cracker Barrel or Bob Evans.
    They must have hired somebody from Harvard business school or Wharton and promoted them too fast, for someone to follow the lead of A+E.

    Sammy, I think you should have kept those OJ thoughts to yourself.
    Just sayin’.

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/22/2013 @ 11:47 am

  279. they have tremendously good pancakes at the cracker barrel, and at a damn fair price too

    plus in wintertime that fireplace is sorta special

    Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 12/22/2013 @ 11:49 am

  280. okay, Sam the Sham has gone totally off the rails.

    Comment by redc1c4 (abd49e) — 12/22/2013 @ 12:14 pm

  281. Sorta O/T, but it also sorta fits if we’re living in a society were citing scripture violates a morals clause in a contract.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/12/federal-court-obamas-partnership-with-mexican-drug-cartels-goes-far-beyond-guns.php

    DHS arrested a woman engaged in human trafficking at the border checkpoint in Brownsville, TX. She was trying to smuggle in an illegal immigrant minor and bring her to her illegal immigrant mother living in Virginia.

    The human trafficker was charged and prosecuted federal court before United States District Judge for the Southern District of Texas Brownsville Division Andrew S. Hanen. During the course of the trial Judge Hansen found that rather than enforcing the law DHS actually participated in the criminal conspiracy for which he was prosecuting the defendant. In what he called “an absurd and illogical result” rather then uniting the mother and child by taking the illegal immigrant into custody and deporting mother and child as the law required he found:

    Customs and Border Protection agents stopped the Defendant at the border inspection point. She was arrested, and the child was taken into custody. The DHS officials were notified that Salmeron Santos instigated this illegal conduct. Yet, instead of arresting Salmeron Santos for instigating the conspiracy to violate our border security laws, the DHS delivered the child to her–thus successfully completing the mission of the criminal conspiracy. It did not arrest her. It did not prosecute her. It did not even initiate deportation proceedings for her. This DHS policy is a dangerous course of action.

    At taxpayer expense they transported the child to the woman in Virginia. And the Judge says this is the fourth such case he’s seen in as many weeks. This is one judge in one federal district. This has to be going on all along the border.

    Well, we are an absurd and illogical people. Why shouldn’t we get absurd and illogical results. I think President Pajama Boy is exhibit A on that score. He was elected twice.

    Now everyone just stands around with their thumb up their anus watching him fundamentally transform into El Presidente Grande y Jefe Supremo de Vacaciones of this banana republic and take a wrecking ball to the whole thing. He is our Zelaya. And apparently there’s nothing anybody can do.

    I’m going to send an email to the Texas AG tomorrow because I can’t believe these DHS agents didn’t break some law in Texas entirely unrelated to immigration when they detained the woman and the child in Brownsville, and then proceeded to complete the smuggling mission. Hopefully the agents will and finger the bigger fish. The defendant before Judge Hansen in federal court broke immigration law. But then sending the minor child from Brownsville TX out of the state? If the defendant, Mirtha Veronica Nava-Martinez, had passed the child to a citizen, resident alien, or illegal alien to complete the delivery they’d be arrested. And, again, we’re not talking immigration or border enforcement at this point. The child was already in Texas. This would be an entirely separate crime.

    Not that I expect them to do anything even if they could.

    Glenn Reynolds of Instapundit and Mickey Kaus of The Daily Caller discuss Obama’s lawbreaking as he implements Obamacare here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ypS-IQKQxQ

    I love the title of the video:

    Obama’s Second-Term Disappointment: Reduced to Mafioso Behavior and Hipster Twitter Ads

    Isn’t that about the kind of President a nation that will twice elect an alynskyite community organizer twice deserves?

    After surveying the general scene of destruction they discuss the issue of standing. According to administrative and constitutional law prof Reynolds the idea that no one has standing to sue and put a stop to this stupidity is crap. Obama has harmed so many people and entities in so many ways that standing isn’t an obstacle. And then he demands to know where the conservative public interest groups are; where are their lawsuits?

    I’m beginning to change my mind about gay marriage. Not that I think it’s a good idea. It’s sheer madness to even contemplate it. As jurists and scholars since before this country have founded, it’s purpose is to regulate procreation. It is for that reason, as the SCOTUS ruled in Loving v. Virginia, it is “fundamental to our very existence and survival.”

    But then since we are an absurd and illogical society I’m beginning to lean toward the idea we shouldn’t survive. I note that in Utah a federal judge ruled that Utah’s ban on gay marriage is unconstitutional. The state argued that it furthered the state’s interest in responsible procreation. The judge poo pooed that by noting we allow infertile couples to marry. This is an insurmountable mental hurdle for an absurd and illogical people to overcome. They can’t grasp that since society has concluded that the best arrangement is to channel procreation into heterosexual (it’s sad you have to even explain this) and monogamous relationships, society’s interest and the state’s interest was limited to ensuring marriages were heterosexual, monogamous, and valid. Nature takes it from there.

    I feel I’m swimming with a pod of whales hell bent on beaching itself on a rocky coastline. It’s a bad idea, and I don’t think I’ll participate. But I’m at the point where if there’s anything I can do to speed the destruction up and hurry up and get it over with, just let me know.

    Comment by Steve57 (be5be1) — 12/22/2013 @ 1:07 pm

  282. I have to head to the Baptist church social. As Mark noted, Phil was focusing on male heterosexuals, not female. So I was discussing this with our Baptist neighbors and we took a look at the Bible. And we decided that, hey, maybe Mark and Phil has a point. Maybe scripture only addresses male homosexuals.

    So the Baptists added a new feature to their program. In addition to delicious non-alcoholic punch and down home southern cooking, we’ve got hot lesbian action live on stage this afternoon.

    Comment by Steve57 (be5be1) — 12/22/2013 @ 1:10 pm

  283. Steve57 – Pictures or it didn’t happen.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/22/2013 @ 1:31 pm

  284. Comment by Steve57 (be5be1) — 12/22/2013 @ 1:07 pm

    Yet, instead of arresting Salmeron Santos for instigating the conspiracy to violate our border security laws, the DHS delivered the child to her–

    Well, where are they going to send the child? What are they to do with her??

    Take her back to some place in Mexico? Even if you could be assured she would be well taken care of, it is not the habit of the U.S. government to send someone to escort someone to a location deep within another country.

    So of course they brought her to her mother.

    As President George W. Bush said, “family values don’t stop at the Rio Grande”

    I don’t know what they used to do before – but that’s probably unconsionable. Maybe they used to deport them unaccompanied.

    thus successfully completing the mission of the criminal conspiracy.

    No, the mission of the criminal conspiracy was to conduct a business. They arrested the professional smugglers. This hampers their business.

    It did not arrest her. It did not prosecute her. It did not even initiate deportation proceedings for her.

    No, because it is not one of the 4 priorities he has for deportation which are 1) recent border crossers – which would include the child, but not the mother 2) repeated immigration law violators 3) criminals and 4) people connected with terrorism.

    Obama has deported plenty of people. In fact he’s getting plenty of political complaints about that.

    He’s not going to do something like start a case against the motehr because she tried to be reunited with her child – and neither will any Republican candidate endorse the course of action if he wants to get elected president.

    This is not illogical. What is illogical is trying to apply consistency to immigration policy.
    Immigration law is not, and should not be, thehighest value taht trumps all other things. This is something some people have yet to learn.

    Now the policy here is to go after the smugglers and not the people being smuggled. Presumably, after a while they would be put put of business.

    But what they have done is arranged things so that all the people trying to do this hire smugglers.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (dbe090) — 12/22/2013 @ 3:13 pm

  285. Comment by Steve57 (be5be1) — 12/22/2013 @ 1:07 pm

    in Utah a federal judge ruled that Utah’s ban on gay marriage is unconstitutional.

    Wasn’t it that the ban on cohabitation of a man with more than one woman was unconstitutional.

    In Canada, their Supreme Court threw out 3 laws affecting prostitution.

    Prostitution itself – the exchange of sex for money – is not per se illegal in Canada.

    What had been illegal – still will be for one year – the court gave the Canadian Parliament one year to create laws more to is satisfaction – were 3 laws that:

    1) Made it illegal to operate a bawdy house or brothel. The court said this could force prostitutes into the street, and into danger, because this law has been interprted to include a prostitute’s home.

    2) Made it illegal to live off the earnings (avails) of prostitutes. The court said this law applied also to security guards, accountants and business managers. This would create unsafe conditions.

    3) Made it illegal to solicit people for purposes of prostitution. The court said this would not ernable prostitutes to check out their potential customers and they could put themselves ina dangerous situation.

    The court said that inasmuch as prostitution was not itself illegal, it had to be possible to do this safely. Otherwise they would violate the provision of its 1982 Charter of Rights and Freedoms regarding “security of the person,” by not making it possible for them to protect themselves.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/world/americas/canadian-court-strikes-down-laws-on-sex-trade.html

    cf http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/const/page-15.html

    7. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.

    Could this be used to argue that people have a right to possess guns?

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (dbe090) — 12/22/2013 @ 3:28 pm

  286. But no, they cannot be forced to work for A&E.

    My understanding is a judge will not issue an injunction to get them to work for a show. That’s old time precedent, maybe from the 1920s and Broadway. Only an injunction not to work for another show.
    http://graphicsmystictoolkitvolume3.com/
    An injunction to work is basically unenforceable -could you enjoin someone to do a good job?
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    Comment by Tim (15965b) — 12/22/2013 @ 7:01 pm

  287. Phil Robertson responds.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/22/2013 @ 8:30 pm

  288. 285. I see there was later a second decision in Utah about gay arriage.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (dbe090) — 12/23/2013 @ 7:30 am

  289. 278. Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/22/2013 @ 11:47 am

    Sammy, I think you should have kept those OJ thoughts to yourself.

    Just sayin’.

    Oh, there are some thoughta on the case I have mostly kept to myself.

    This is just the less startling and more certain and proable ones.

    I also think it is fairly obvious the jury was tampered with – besides being carefully selected.

    They had a few hionest jurors on it, and the tampered ones would not do anythhing they could not get the honest ones to agree with. The verdict was deliberately postponed – maybe to let somebody collect on some bets?

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (dbe090) — 12/23/2013 @ 7:34 am

  290. When OJ maded that speech about having confidence in the jury, whiich sunded very much like a hidden signal to the jury and that he wanted them to keep heir end of the bargain, I thought his lawyers were lying to him about tampering wth the jury, but they must have told him the truth.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (dbe090) — 12/23/2013 @ 7:36 am

  291. The notion that quoting the Bible and expressing a preference for heterosexual sex constitutes a violation of a “morals clause” tells me that the whole notion of “morals” has been overturned n this country.

    Comment by Rhymes With Right (da71f4) — 12/25/2013 @ 5:17 pm

  292. If the morals clause is anything at all like Colonel haiku qupoted, it just doesn’t apply.

    The morals clause always referred to acts, usually of sexual nature.

    Someone pointed out on some blog that Phil Robertson was suspended during ahiatus, so it amounts to a nullity.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (117043) — 12/25/2013 @ 5:40 pm

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