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12/10/2013

Caption Contest: Obama Shakes the Hand of a Castro

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:18 am

Obama shakes Raul Castro’s hand, at a memorial service for Nelson Mandela (former president of South Africa and leader of Umkhonto we Sizwe, the violent and terroristic armed wing of the African National Congress):

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What did you expect? He has shaken Chavez’s hand and says he wants to visit Tehran.

Your captions below.

P.S. Some have asked: what did Mandela do that was any different from what George Washington did. Charles C. Johnson:

From David Beresford, writing in the Guardian, January 1989:

Some controversy has surrounded Mrs Mandela in recent years. A former social worker and considered a great beauty in her youth, she has shown enormous courage over the years in the face of imprisonment, house arrest and harassment by the South African authorities. More recently, however, she has shown questionable political judgment. In 1986 she embarrassed the anti-apartheid community with the statement in a speech that “we shall liberate this country” with “our boxes of matches and our necklaces” interpreted as an implicit endorsement of the political killings by burning which did enormous damage to the anti-apartheid movement between 1984 and 1987.

But enough about killing innocent people. On with the captions!

147 Comments

  1. No puedo creer que esos gringos estúpidos hecho este maricon su Presidente.

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:26 am

  2. “Funny, you don’t look Chinese…”

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (066b42) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:30 am

  3. “We’ve really got this healthcare thing licked, eh?”

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (066b42) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:34 am

  4. “Did you know Che?”

    Comment by AZ Bob (ade845) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:34 am

  5. “Tell Fidel I saw a cherry ’52 De Soto on Craigslist”

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (066b42) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:36 am

  6. “As-Salaam-Alaikum… hey… wait a minute…”

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (066b42) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:39 am

  7. Orale buey!

    Comment by felipe (70ff7e) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:40 am

  8. “If there’s $2 million in a bag in my room before I leave this continent, I’ll know I have a partner…”

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (066b42) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:41 am

  9. We sure licked bush didn’t we?

    Comment by felipe (70ff7e) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:42 am

  10. You sounded taller on the phone.

    Comment by felipe (70ff7e) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:43 am

  11. Does my middle finger bother you?

    Comment by felipe (70ff7e) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:43 am

  12. Want some campaigning advice?

    Comment by felipe (70ff7e) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:44 am

  13. Quiero Ustd. que le chupo seca?

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:45 am

  14. “Where Cuba leads, I will follow.”

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (066b42) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:46 am

  15. “I’ve got the yo-yo”.

    Comment by felipe (70ff7e) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:47 am

  16. “I’ll have more flexibility after the funeral”.

    Comment by felipe (70ff7e) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:48 am

  17. Queria?, Doh.

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:49 am

  18. “Does it bother you to have to look up to a black man”?

    I denounce myself!

    Comment by felipe (70ff7e) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:50 am

  19. “One’s a communist who’s reduced his country to ruins, the other’s Raul Castro,” the great Allahpundit at Hotair.com

    Comment by Greg (c9d30d) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:51 am

  20. “la cantidad por la chica?”

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (066b42) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:52 am

  21. “Just sayin’ hello to my little friend…”

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (066b42) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:55 am

  22. “The only thing that gives orders is balls. Michelle???”

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (066b42) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:58 am

  23. “Your brother was a lot like me”.

    Comment by felipe (70ff7e) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:58 am

  24. 23. “He could even pitch, in his day.”

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 12/10/2013 @ 8:00 am

  25. The Metrosexual Meets the Monster.

    Comment by Patricia (be0117) — 12/10/2013 @ 8:01 am

  26. “Remember that time you strung Oscar Biscet up by his heels for three days? Good times, man!”

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (066b42) — 12/10/2013 @ 8:04 am

  27. “Raul, can you imagine what it would have been like if we had won the cold war”?

    Comment by felipe (70ff7e) — 12/10/2013 @ 8:04 am

  28. “The force is strong in this one”.

    Comment by felipe (70ff7e) — 12/10/2013 @ 8:06 am

  29. “One Detroit… two Detroits… a thousand Detroits!”

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (066b42) — 12/10/2013 @ 8:09 am

  30. Can’t wait to see what he does with those zombie Ironmen:

    http://defensetech.org/2013/12/09/hacker-releases-software-to-hijack-commercial-drones/

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 12/10/2013 @ 8:12 am

  31. You guys really need to see this. Really! http://i.imgur.com/uFlwqQD.jpg

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/10/2013 @ 8:27 am

  32. nk,

    It looks like the Obamas at Mandela’s memorial. Did Michelle change seats with her husband? Is that the point of the two photos?

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/10/2013 @ 8:31 am

  33. “Bowing to his comrade.”

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/10/2013 @ 8:33 am

  34. that’s epic!

    as if our SCOAMF has ever been with a woman… which makes you wonder what the Wookie is worried about.

    Comment by redc1c4 (abd49e) — 12/10/2013 @ 8:38 am

  35. Obama must realize how badly things are going for him because he’s bringing in John Podesta as a senior adviser. You know it’s bad when he has to turn to Clinton people.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/10/2013 @ 8:40 am

  36. I can’t figure out where that photo is from, nk. Can you tell me where you got it?

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/10/2013 @ 8:43 am

  37. DRJ,

    Michelle’s b***hface in both photos and what Obama is doing in photo 1 and photo 2. Heh! What’s that term the sorority scold used? Obama, c***blocked at a funeral! Double heh!

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/10/2013 @ 8:45 am

  38. 31. ROTFL. Ah, the price fame and fortune exacts, eh, Soft Bottom?

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 12/10/2013 @ 8:45 am

  39. From here http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/1sjscy/barack_obama_with_danish_prime_minister_helle/ , DRJ.

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/10/2013 @ 8:48 am

  40. Caution, Reddit is not for the weak of heart sensitive stomachs.

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/10/2013 @ 8:50 am

  41. I’m working hard on getting your interest section in Washington another bank account.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (ca4c0f) — 12/10/2013 @ 8:56 am

  42. He’s Center for American Progress, DRJ, Soros people,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/10/2013 @ 8:57 am

  43. ….I didn’t really mean to cause you to lose your last American bank account.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (ca4c0f) — 12/10/2013 @ 8:58 am

  44. Great pic, nk!

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (066b42) — 12/10/2013 @ 9:11 am

  45. Regrets? He has a few…

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (066b42) — 12/10/2013 @ 9:14 am

  46. Thank you for that box of cigars Raul.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/10/2013 @ 9:32 am

  47. Remember the days when you had Cuban troops all over Africa, Raul?

    Good times.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/10/2013 @ 9:40 am

  48. D-bags of a feather…

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (066b42) — 12/10/2013 @ 9:43 am

  49. Oh please, President Obama. Go to Iran. You can do it, we know you can. Si se puede!

    Comment by luagha (5cbe06) — 12/10/2013 @ 9:47 am

  50. nk’s pics at #31… Obama’s hopin’ for some of that good Truth and Reconciliation sex when he gets back home? Prediction: it will be a long, chilly winter in teh WH.

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (066b42) — 12/10/2013 @ 9:50 am

  51. White House? Uh-uh. Doghouse.

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/10/2013 @ 10:00 am

  52. “I will have more flexibility after I leave the white house”

    Comment by The Emperor (f2e2b6) — 12/10/2013 @ 10:07 am

  53. Raul Castro’s facial expression seems to me to be saying: “Dude, are you f’ing clueless who I am? Go away.”

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 12/10/2013 @ 10:11 am

  54. “hi there little one..”

    Comment by The Emperor (e28272) — 12/10/2013 @ 10:13 am

  55. So much decorum shown by the guy who was so deeply affected by Mandela’s life. Taking selfies, why you’d think he was at a White Sox game.

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (066b42) — 12/10/2013 @ 10:14 am

  56. “I have this one little brief small issue to discuss with you, SHORTLY..”

    Comment by The Emperor (92db31) — 12/10/2013 @ 10:15 am

  57. “size is overrated..”

    Comment by The Emperor (e28272) — 12/10/2013 @ 10:17 am

  58. No, that’s Raul’s face normally, happy ,sad or angry, for Obama it’s like a Justin Bieber fan, meeting his idol

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/10/2013 @ 10:18 am

  59. http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/59727

    Barack and Michelle Obama, Bill and Hillary Clinton, George and Laura Bush will all figuratively wear a necklace at Nelson Mandela’s memorial tomorrow—the Winnie Mandela necklace that is the most grotesque one of all time.

    Comment by redc1c4 (abd49e) — 12/10/2013 @ 10:19 am

  60. “are you sitting or am I standing?”

    Comment by The Emperor (4dcc08) — 12/10/2013 @ 10:20 am

  61. you gotta love the bow…

    mister spineless puss nuts on stage, doing what he does best: acting the fool.

    Comment by redc1c4 (abd49e) — 12/10/2013 @ 10:21 am

  62. “I know that discrimination against people because of their race makes you a racist, can we call discrimination against people for their briefness of size, Sizism?”

    Comment by The Emperor (f2e2b6) — 12/10/2013 @ 10:24 am

  63. “I know that discrimination against people because of their race makes you a racist, can we call discrimination against people for their briefness of size, Sizism?”

    only if we can call breathtaking ignorance, willful obtuseness and irrational hatred “Emperorism”

    Comment by redc1c4 (abd49e) — 12/10/2013 @ 10:44 am

  64. ” I stoop to conquer, Raul!”

    Comment by The Emperor (08c3d2) — 12/10/2013 @ 10:55 am

  65. Heh. Apparently blondes do have more fun, nk.

    Comment by elissa (e410e0) — 12/10/2013 @ 10:57 am

  66. President Popstar stops to lose for selfies at a funeral.

    Comment by JD (5c1832) — 12/10/2013 @ 10:59 am

  67. “this is as low as they will let me go..”

    Comment by The Emperor (08c3d2) — 12/10/2013 @ 10:59 am

  68. Down with Chimperorism!

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (6b7e88) — 12/10/2013 @ 11:02 am

  69. “you are no king of Saudi, Raul..”

    Comment by The Emperor (09061e) — 12/10/2013 @ 11:02 am

  70. “you know what they say about tiny feet…”

    Comment by The Emperor AKA the Sizist. (7dd451) — 12/10/2013 @ 11:12 am

  71. On the other thread people were saying that the fact that he dumped Winnie absolves him of responsibility for her doings. But he didn’t dump her while she was doing and saying these things. He could have. Instead he stood by her and let her be the face of his campaign, thus endorsing her crimes. He only dumped her when he got out and had to actually live with her!

    Comment by Milhouse (b95258) — 12/10/2013 @ 12:04 pm

  72. @Milhouse. What I heard was that he divorced her officially in 1994, 4 yrs after his release and that was after separating from her for two yrs since 1992. What would you have done differently if you were in his shoes to your wife of many years and mother of your children? Would there be a part of you that would want to stick with her as much as you could despite the scandals and bad press she had gotten for herself? Never judge a man because you are not wearing his shoes to know wear it pinches. Winnie is solely responsible for the bad choices she made and not Nelson.

    Comment by The Emperor AKA the Sizist. (3c91e7) — 12/10/2013 @ 12:22 pm

  73. How about the classics?

    “The scum of the earth, I believe?”

    “The Bloody Assassin of the Workers, I presume?”

    Comment by C. S. P. Schofield (e8b801) — 12/10/2013 @ 12:24 pm

  74. “What would you have done differently if you were in his shoes to your wife of many years and mother of your children?”

    Emperor – Completely irrelevant question as usual. Just stick to the facts, please. You chickened out of responding to questions about Mandela by refusing to answer self-created hypotheticals, why do you believe others should play your game?

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/10/2013 @ 12:28 pm

  75. “Winnie is solely responsible for the bad choices she made and not Nelson.”

    Emperor – Nelson is responsible for his decision not to renounce violence as a political tactic, of which his wife was a very big public proponent.

    Those are facts which cannot be denied.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/10/2013 @ 12:31 pm

  76. @Daley. Like to see my followers following me everywhere I go. Subscribe 4 my book on “Emperorism: the only way”. Read and learn.

    Comment by The Emperor AKA the Sizist. (92db31) — 12/10/2013 @ 12:40 pm

  77. nk,

    There is an explanation and more photos here. IMO you found the story of the week, maybe the month.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/10/2013 @ 12:53 pm

  78. That assumes they are antithetical to each other, which isn’t at all clear.

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/10/2013 @ 12:57 pm

  79. 71. Comment by Milhouse (b95258) — 12/10/2013 @ 12:04 pm

    He only dumped her when he got out and had to actually live with her!

    He discovered, on the day he got out, that she had taken a lover. He kept it secret for some time – it became public at the time of their divorce six years later, but he told Nadine Gordiner a few days later. (in the current issue of the New Yorker. She says she has never before told of that.)

    She had expected he wanted to talk with her in connection with her book, “Burger’s Daughter”, or how his life, or his family’s life, was similar or not similar to that.

    The book dealt with revolutionaries’ children and how their lives were affected by their parent’s politics and threats of imprisonment. It had been published in 1979, banned in South Africa but smuggled into Robben Island and he wrote her a letter about the book.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (ca4c0f) — 12/10/2013 @ 1:08 pm

  80. 75. Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/10/2013 @ 12:31 pm

    Nelson is responsible for his decision not to renounce violence as a political tactic, of which his wife was a very big public proponent.

    Those are facts which cannot be denied.

    This was in 1985, when P.W. Botha offered to free him if he unconditionally renounced violence as a political instrument. He made a public reply, red out loud by his daughter at a rally in ahuge stadium in Soweto.

    It went in part: (all this per Nadine Gordinor in the the New Yorker)

    Let him renounce violence. Let him say he will dismantle apartheid. Let him unban the people’s organizaation, the African National Congress…I cannot and will not give any undertaking at a time when I, and you, and the people, are not free.

    Five years later, F.W. De Klerk lifted the ban on the ANC and released the remaining politial prisoners, after secret negotiations held in prison.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (ca4c0f) — 12/10/2013 @ 1:15 pm

  81. “Don’t worry about those polls, Mr President. There’s still some of us who appreciate what you’re doing to, um, for America.”

    Comment by Kevin M (536c5d) — 12/10/2013 @ 1:34 pm

  82. Nelson is responsible for his decision not to renounce violence as a political tactic

    Why should he have? I really have not yet seen a credible reason why someone would expect this. What alternative did blacks have other than violence?

    Comment by Kevin M (536c5d) — 12/10/2013 @ 1:40 pm

  83. I know there’s some humor in this, but it cuts too deep for me, he is the director of the repression,
    for the last fifty plus years, it sickens me,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/10/2013 @ 1:43 pm

  84. what did Mandela do that was any different from what George Washington did

    And then you bring up Winnie’s actions. In the same spirit of honest discussion and relevance here’s this: Washington held slaves, Mandela did not.

    Comment by Kevin M (536c5d) — 12/10/2013 @ 1:43 pm

  85. “Raul, you need to get my retirement villa ready soon. I may need to be extracted sooner than planned.”

    Comment by Kevin M (536c5d) — 12/10/2013 @ 1:45 pm

  86. “Uma, Oprah, Oprah, Uma.”

    Comment by Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 12/10/2013 @ 2:17 pm

  87. “Mr. Castro, if you can wait a moment for Bobby Mugabe to come over here, I’d like to get a group photo.”

    Comment by Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 12/10/2013 @ 2:20 pm

  88. “Mr. Obama, I don’t understand why you don’t just put that Marco Rubio guy in prison until the end of your term.”

    Comment by Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 12/10/2013 @ 2:21 pm

  89. “Only a four year term ?”

    Comment by Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 12/10/2013 @ 2:23 pm

  90. “Constitution ?”

    Comment by Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 12/10/2013 @ 2:23 pm

  91. “I don’t feel I have to wipe everybody out, Raul. Just my enemies.”

    Comment by Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 12/10/2013 @ 2:34 pm

  92. Cash for clunkers will do wonders for Cuba, Raulsy.

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 12/10/2013 @ 2:35 pm

  93. Most of Fox News’ The Five agreed that Obama didn’t have a choice about this handshake, although one did wonder why Obama seems to consistently get himself into difficult diplomatic situations and never seems prepared to handle them another way. I doubt he sees situations like this as a problem.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/10/2013 @ 2:40 pm

  94. “Mr. Castro, if you like your island paradise, you can keep it.”

    Comment by Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 12/10/2013 @ 2:49 pm

  95. “Why should he have? I really have not yet seen a credible reason why someone would expect this. What alternative did blacks have other than violence?”

    Kevin M – The point I was making was to Emperor who dishonestly wants to completely ignore that part of Mandela’s history and refuses to opine whether it supports violence as a tactic to achieve a political goal.

    You have opinions that may differ from mine which is perfectly acceptable to me. One person’s terrorist is another person’s freedom fighter.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/10/2013 @ 2:50 pm

  96. Another friendship spoiled: John McCain initially compared the Obama-Castro handshake to Neville Chamberlain shaking hands with Adolph Hitler, but now McCain claims it was said in jest.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/10/2013 @ 2:53 pm

  97. “Mr. Castro, I think you and your brother Fred have done a good job governing the Dominican Republic.”

    Comment by Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 12/10/2013 @ 2:55 pm

  98. “Mr. Castro, it’s very rare that I come to an event where I’m like the fifth or sixth most interesting person.”

    Comment by Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 12/10/2013 @ 3:00 pm

  99. I think Bryan Preston is right</a? about why Obama appointed Podesta:

    Conn Carroll writes that Podesta’s appointment shows that Obama is done working with Congress. He’s right, but there’s even more at stake here. Obama recognizes that in Congress, his agenda is dying and after the mid-terms will be dead. So he is planning to sideline Congress.

    Obama is packing the DC Circuit court in anticipation of losing Congress to the Republicans. He will begin issuing executive actions that he anticipates will be challenged in court. He is bringing in a strong advocate of using executive power to assist in crafting these actions and defending them before a strongly Democrat-appointed court. Congress or other interested parties can take any of Obama’s actions to court if they want, they can mount investigations in both houses of Congress, they can hold hearings, whatever they want. But Obama will have packed that court with radicals who are aligned with his agenda.

    Obama and Podesta are preparing to spend the final three years of Obama’s presidency systematically hacking the Constitution. They intend to render the 2014 mid-term elections completely irrelevant.

    It’s going to be a very difficult and destructive 3 years.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/10/2013 @ 3:00 pm

  100. Someone please close the tags I forgot to close.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/10/2013 @ 3:01 pm

  101. “Mr. Obama, I remember your famous quote about how your political opponents cling to their guns and their religion. Here in Cuba, we have a solution to that problem—we don’t allow guns or religion.”

    Comment by Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 12/10/2013 @ 3:03 pm

  102. Obama: “Mr. Castro, I understand you enjoy American college football. How about that Florida State team—they’re undefeated this year !”

    Castro: “So am I.”

    Comment by Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 12/10/2013 @ 3:09 pm

  103. 100. The tags close automatically at the end of the message, except one time a year ago or more, they didn’t.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (ca4c0f) — 12/10/2013 @ 3:15 pm

  104. “Hey, thanks for lettin’ my pals Beyoncé and Jay-Z hang out with you!”

    Comment by Icy (871a3a) — 12/10/2013 @ 3:24 pm

  105. “Tell Fidel I’m more flexible now that I’ve been re-elected.”

    Comment by Icy (871a3a) — 12/10/2013 @ 3:25 pm

  106. ABOVE: A petty tyrant that believes the people only exist to serve his petty whims, while he only exists to serve a Marxist ideology, shakes hands with Raul Castro.

    Comment by Icy (871a3a) — 12/10/2013 @ 3:30 pm

  107. “Tell me again how you prevent the citizenry from accessing the Internet?”

    Comment by Icy (871a3a) — 12/10/2013 @ 3:31 pm

  108. Quick! Which one leads a banana republic?

    Comment by Icy (871a3a) — 12/10/2013 @ 3:37 pm

  109. DRJ, I think a possible monkey-wrench to Podesta’s apparent line-of-march is to find people/institutions that are in other Circuits, and have them bring suit to enjoin the President’s EO’s, thereby by-passing the hacks he’s putting on the DC Circuit.
    Of course, if the GOP actually can take control of the Senate in ’14, they will be able to follow the leadership of the House in inserting into every possible appropriations bill, language disallowing the Administration any authority to spend funds on those EO’s. Now, the President can veto those bills, and he might prevail on some of them, but that doesn’t mean he’s going to get the funding that he desires.
    I don’t anticipate anymore Continuing Resolutions after there is a GOP Majority in the Senate.
    I see the House sending up budget and appropriation bills for specific Departments/Agencies/Administrations/etc., so that if the President vetoes one bill, it only shuts down that specific portion of the government.
    Personally, I would write the appropriations bill for the Dept of Interior specifically forbidding the National Park Service Police from erecting any BarryCade or restriction of free access to any acreage under their jurisdiction that has been historically open to the public at all times.
    The Power of the Purse can be a formidable weapon if the Congress is so inclined to wield it – and is specific in its intent.
    Who knows, this just could be the trigger for Congress to pull back the tremendous amount of administrative discretion that they have extended to the Apparat, and to either start writing regulations themselves in conjunction with the legislation they pass, or requiring the bureaucracy to submit those regulations for Congressional approval.
    We can only hope.

    Comment by askeptic (b8ab92) — 12/10/2013 @ 3:37 pm

  110. A little off-topic unless the topic is Freedom & Liberty:

    A Federal District Judge in NoCal yesterday dismissed a request from the CA DoJ for a Summary Judgement in a firearms case, making note that he thinks that the 10-day waiting period that CA imposes for the purchase of a firearm (whether from an FFL, or Private Party, which must be conducted through an FFL) is an Unconstitutional Infringement upon an Individual Civil-Right.

    HazMat has been called to the offices of Kamala Harris for an extensive clean-up.

    Comment by askeptic (b8ab92) — 12/10/2013 @ 3:43 pm

  111. BTW, this judge was appointed to the Federal Bench by one William Jefferson Clinton.

    Comment by askeptic (b8ab92) — 12/10/2013 @ 3:44 pm

  112. http://www.sacbee.com/2013/12/09/5986084/federal-judge-says-california.html

    Comment by askeptic (b8ab92) — 12/10/2013 @ 3:45 pm

  113. Daley is confused. I have already answered your question in a previous thread. Go back and find it. But like Kevin said, you cannot provide evidence of your claims against Mandela and the choices he had to make. You wanna pin the blame of actions taken by his wife while he was incarcerated on him. All in the aim of giving the dog a bad name in order to kill it. Name calling and generalizations won’t cut it, where’s the beef? You prefer to call the ANC a terrorist group for taking up arms against the evil system that killed and oppressed their people. Yet you won’t renounce the apartheid regime that did more evil against black south Africans. Blue is not red and men don’t walk upside down.

    Comment by The Emperor AKA the Sizist. (7dd451) — 12/10/2013 @ 3:56 pm

  114. Obama to Raul
    ” I will have more flexibility once Michelle travels”

    Comment by The Emperor AKA the Size-ist. (e28272) — 12/10/2013 @ 4:06 pm

  115. But Netanyahu, how did he put it to Sarkozy, ‘I can’t stand him’

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/10/2013 @ 4:10 pm

  116. “Daley is confused. I have already answered your question in a previous thread. Go back and find it.”

    Emperor – I know your answer. You weaseled out by saying you were not there so you could not answer the question. Let me know if your answer was different.

    I am not saying Mandela was required to renounce violence. I am saying you will not acknowledge that as part of his life up until his release from prison he was part of and supported a very violent movement. Arguing otherwise is denying history, which I guess is what you want to do here. The question of whether he had alternatives is an unprovable hypothetical. By the way, you can go back to the same thread and look up my answer to your question whether I supported the apartheid regime.

    There really is no reason for your childish dishonesty.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/10/2013 @ 4:12 pm

  117. And we can’t forget how Clinton groveled before Arafat, whose outfit, actually murdered State Department personnel, but actual former and present allies, they can go hang,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/10/2013 @ 4:16 pm

  118. The CBS Evening News reported that because conservatives complained about Obama shaking hands with Raul Castro, and maybe claimed there was no precedent, there was a search for a precedent, and one was found:

    In the year 2000, at a reception at the Unotdd Nations I think Scott Pelley said, President Clinton shook the hand of Fidel Castro.

    But there are no pictures of that. Or at least CBS thought there was no picture.

    You think Clinton might have had a pictuure taken but kept it under wraps, for now, just in case it might come in handy later, somehow?

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (ca4c0f) — 12/10/2013 @ 4:16 pm

  119. 116. Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/10/2013 @ 4:12 pm

    The question of whether he had alternatives is an unprovable hypothetical.

    tghe violence only set their cause back – if the cause was getting rid of apartheid.

    It did, however, tend to ensure they were the only well known black oppposition.

    What ended apartheid was the boycotts, plus the elimination of the fear of a black dictatorship of the type there were many in Africa.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (ca4c0f) — 12/10/2013 @ 4:20 pm

  120. “My country’s GDP is increasing!”

    “My wife spent the equivalent of your country’s GDP on this trip alone.”

    Comment by Icy (871a3a) — 12/10/2013 @ 4:34 pm

  121. But there are no pictures of that. Or at least CBS thought there was no picture.

    Pretty sure that the Republicans don’t have them. We’d carry Florida for years if we ran them every time. Just like we’ll run this one. Good thing for Barry there’s no Senate election in FL next year, but some of those House districts are going to see this a lot.

    Comment by Kevin M (536c5d) — 12/10/2013 @ 4:34 pm

  122. Just a few years after the BTR shutdown, which would have been considered an act of war, instead he did his utmost to block the sanctions triggered by that event, then there was the apology for the ’53 coup,
    to curry favor with Khattami, the earlier flavor of
    ‘moderate’ offered by the Guardian’s Counsels,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/10/2013 @ 4:41 pm

  123. I unconditionally renounce violence as a political instrument. I denounce it, also. Just for the record.

    Armed insurrection is not political action. They are two different things. Like apples and horse apples. To say you renounce violence as a political instrument is like saying you renounce bicycles as fishing gear.

    Sammy likely has it right. The boycotts, with the sugarcoating of a political solution, is what brought apartheid down. The ANC stung the Afrikaners in their comfort zone but the boycotts threatened to take them out of it altogether.

    What I wonder, where is Israel getting its plutonium and U-235 to refresh its nukes now? Those things have a limited shelf-life. Is it still getting them from South Africa or are we smuggling them to it again?

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/10/2013 @ 4:47 pm

  124. Why did Mandela and his group decide to use violence against the “apartness” regime? They saw that non-violent demonstrations were met with violence by the regime resulting in the deaths of black south Africans. You may have your objections about if that was the best ccourse of action at the time, that will be your opinion but for them at that time it was what they had to do. If you read the systematic culture of racism and discrimination which was imposed on black south Africans, stripping them of their nationality as south Africans and relocating them to rural areas and forbidding them from entering the cities. Their lands were seized and they were banned from education, inter racial marriage and used only for cheap menial jobs that kept them subjugated. I don’t know what I would have done given the same circumstances, do you? Apartheid was a policy set up to separate the locals from the white folks and keep them subjugated and inferior. Then you factor in the violence and brutality against peaceful protesters to this draconian system. Someone had to react and that is what Mandela and his group began to do.

    Comment by The Emperor AKA the Size-ist. (5647ed) — 12/10/2013 @ 5:32 pm

  125. Sorry if this has already been discussed, but …

    Check out this NY Post item:

    http://nypost.com/2013/12/10/michelle-annoyed-by-obamas-selfie-at-mandela-memorial/

    Judging by his demeanor, Obama remains deeply saddened by the death of Mandela.

    Comment by Whitey Nisson (aa99c0) — 12/10/2013 @ 5:38 pm

  126. Looked a little too much like prom, then a wake, or whatever you call this,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/10/2013 @ 5:48 pm

  127. I don’t know about photos but ABC News reported the Bill Clinton-Fidel Castro handshake at a UN summit.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/10/2013 @ 5:52 pm

  128. They carried Florida, because in part of Elian, one of Holder’s accomplishments before becoming Atty General,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/10/2013 @ 5:53 pm

  129. Judging by his demeanor, Obama remains deeply saddened by the death of Mandela.

    Comment by Whitey Nisson (aa99c0) — 12/10/2013 @ 5:38 pm

    Obama has his own way of grieving. Others cry and look sad Obama takes selfies with friends. Why can’t Michelle see this?

    Comment by The Emperor AKA the Size-ist. (e28272) — 12/10/2013 @ 5:56 pm

  130. There’s a lot of levity at wakes I go to. People see it as celebrating the deceased’s life. Old people tell each other “Our turn next”, young people are more polite and say “Uncle/Aunt, when your time comes, I’ll put the heaviest rock on your coffin”. Better than using it as a forum for political speeches. Obama was pretty bad with his “what you look like, how you worship, who you love” schtick, but the Sudan guy was way out of line.

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/10/2013 @ 6:01 pm

  131. well this makes it worse;

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/365941/damage-handshake-otto-j-reich

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/10/2013 @ 6:21 pm

  132. And it’s World Human Rights Day;

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/12/ukraine-police-move-in-on-euromaidan-protest-camp-multiple-live-video-feeds/

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/10/2013 @ 6:35 pm

  133. Armed insurrection is not political action. They are two different things

    “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” — Carl von Clausewitz

    Comment by Kevin M (536c5d) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:28 pm

  134. well I was worried for a minute there’

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/12/awful-obama-administration-admits-iran-will-get-20-billion-from-sanctions-relief-not-7-billion/

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:46 pm

  135. “Mr. Obama, I’m with you on all the ‘hope’ talk, but kindly minimize your use of the word ‘change.’ In Cuba, we stopped the official use of the word ‘change‘ around 1960. Comprende ?”

    Comment by Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 12/11/2013 @ 11:16 am

  136. “Hi, I speak Cuban!”

    Comment by Patricia (be0117) — 12/11/2013 @ 11:27 am

  137. 133.Armed insurrection is not political action. They are two different things

    “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” — Carl von Clausewitz

    Comment by Kevin M (536c5d) — 12/10/2013 @ 7:28 pm

    Yes, and, the current administration is Democracy by other means.

    Comment by felipe (70ff7e) — 12/11/2013 @ 11:33 am

  138. Obama: “Mr. Castro, how did you and Fidel get the website for CastroCare to work ?”

    Castro: “What’s a website ?”

    Comment by Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 12/11/2013 @ 11:43 am

  139. I would also take a selfie with Danish PM Helle Thorning. YMMV.

    My entry:

    Chi Chi! Get the yeyo.

    “Hi, I speak Cuban!”

    Comment by Patricia (be0117) — 12/11/2013 @ 11:27 am

    LOL

    Comment by carlitos (49ef9f) — 12/11/2013 @ 11:48 am

  140. http://canadafreepress.com

    Comment by redc1c4 (abd49e) — 12/10/2013 @ 10:19 am

    canadafreepress, eh? Hope of Douglas Hagmann? Srsly? I hope you’re kidding.

    Comment by carlitos (49ef9f) — 12/11/2013 @ 12:00 pm

  141. carlitos!

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/11/2013 @ 12:00 pm

  142. Hola Mr. Daley.

    Comment by carlitos (49ef9f) — 12/11/2013 @ 12:11 pm

  143. I would totes selfie with PM Thorning.

    Comment by JD (b12e6e) — 12/11/2013 @ 12:19 pm

  144. Going to Sunda on Weds, carlitos

    Comment by JD (b12e6e) — 12/11/2013 @ 12:20 pm

  145. Raul, I just wanted to say that double you have been using for your dead brother Fidel for the past 20 years is very convincing.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/11/2013 @ 12:21 pm

  146. “This is really great, Raul. And guess what? I just taught Sunny and Bo to shake hands and have been practicing a lot.”

    Comment by elissa (207170) — 12/11/2013 @ 12:30 pm

  147. Sunda is a terrific restaurant.

    Comment by elissa (207170) — 12/11/2013 @ 12:32 pm

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