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12/7/2013

Championship Saturday

Filed under: General — JD @ 5:42 am

[guest post by JD]

Rivalries and championships

Bedlam – OK vs OK State
Battle for Texas – Baylor vs Texas
Big Ten – Ohio State vs Michigan State
ACC – Duke vs Florida State
Pac12 – Stanford vs Arizona State
SEC – Auburn vs Mizzou

I predict Ohio State vs Florida State for the National Championship.

Discuss.

—JD

134 Comments

  1. Chimperor will find this racist.

    Comment by JD (5c1832) — 12/7/2013 @ 5:44 am

  2. Ohio State just doesn’t deserve to be there. Auburn’s close games where at the beginning of the season, and Ohio State should have had to win in overtime instead of Michigan chumping out.

    Comment by BradnSA (69f417) — 12/7/2013 @ 6:08 am

  3. Auburn lost a game. And their close games weren’t just tante beginning of the season. They won their last 2 games on incredible fluke plays in the last 2 weeks of the year.

    Comment by JD (4694ea) — 12/7/2013 @ 6:28 am

  4. I can get caught up in the excitement of claiming my team is #1 as anybody, but really in the end in football (at any level) and college basketball all you have is who comes out on top any given day. Yes, Alabama lost. Who knows what would happen if they played a best of 5 series, but that will never happen.

    Pro basketball, baseball, and hockey use a system which gives more reason to say one team is the best (at that time of the season, with the players that are there).

    There is no way to have a perfect system to determine a “true” college champion, even if they devise some sort of playoff. What we have now is better than prior to the BCS, when there was a separation between the PAC-10 and Big-10, and the other conferences. For example, an undefeated Penn State and an undefeated Nebraska never collided.

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/7/2013 @ 6:50 am

  5. 1. Chimperor will find this racist.

    Comment by JD (5c1832) — 12/7/2013 @ 5:44 am

    Speaking of racist, what’s up with this weather?

    True, there’s not even an inch of snow on the ground. Still, the whole place is shut down. If only jackwagons like me would vote for the kind of public services that were generous enough to deal with the situation.

    Wait, that’s the point isn’t it? The only people out and about are those who can afford chains.

    I denounce myself. And sentence myself to another cup of coffee and a half hour by the fire.

    Comment by Steve57 (0ffd93) — 12/7/2013 @ 7:05 am

  6. I just let my dog out. He was looking back and forth at me like I had done something to eff up his world. Looking at the ice and snow, “Hey, what’s the deal, man. You do this.”

    Sure, it’s not much ice and snow as things go. But dogs from the “city of hate,” which is apparently what NYT writers are calling Dallas these days, don’t know that.

    Comment by Steve57 (0ffd93) — 12/7/2013 @ 7:14 am

  7. I’m not sure Ohio State can beat Michigan State but if it does, then I agree OSU should play in the championship game — where I think it will lose, as usual.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/7/2013 @ 7:42 am

  8. Completely O/T but today’s December 7th.

    Comment by Steve57 (0ffd93) — 12/7/2013 @ 7:57 am

  9. Ohio State will have a difficult game against Michigan State, but I feel that they will win and go to the BCS. the game against Florida State will be exciting, I really can’t see a clear winner.
    “Lose as usual”? Well maybe not.

    Comment by chuck (d3a7c2) — 12/7/2013 @ 8:31 am

  10. Auburn lost a game. And their close games weren’t just tante beginning of the season. They won their last 2 games on incredible fluke plays in the last 2 weeks of the year.

    So you’re saying Alabama should be there, since the only game they LOST involved an unlikely fluke play.

    If MSU beats OSU, then FSU is in trouble.

    If that happens and Mizzou beats AU, then FSU is REALLY back in trouble.

    Otherwise, FSU wins.

    Comment by Smock Puppet, Gadfy, Racist-Sexist Thug, and Bon Vivant All In One Package (225d0d) — 12/7/2013 @ 8:35 am

  11. So you’re saying Alabama should be there

    Nope. They lost a game on their schedule. The easiest way to end the back and forth and leaving it up to the judges is to win the games on your schedule. Auburn and Alabama didnt do so. FSU and OSU have done so, to this point. Auburn struggled with Washington State, Mississippi State, and Ole Miss as well as their loss to LSU. They had a couple fluke wins, but their case for being in the championship is tenuous, at best.

    Comment by JD (5c1832) — 12/7/2013 @ 8:52 am

  12. If Florida St wins they are in. If Ohio St wins they are in. If one of them loses the winner of the SEC title game is in. Both have to lose for an undeserving Alabama to get another shot.

    Comment by NJRob (4ee86b) — 12/7/2013 @ 8:54 am

  13. Ain’t no thang but chicken wang.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMt5cFQbncQ

    Whassup!?!

    Comment by Steve57 (0ffd93) — 12/7/2013 @ 9:01 am

  14. Goddamm. How did we ever let them get away?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQIYAJvzNxY

    Triple Tomcat Launch

    Goddamm

    Comment by Steve57 (0ffd93) — 12/7/2013 @ 9:14 am

  15. “If Florida St wins they are in. If Ohio St wins they are in. If one of them loses the winner of the SEC title game is in. Both have to lose for an undeserving Alabama to get another shot.”

    - NJRob

    Yup.

    Comment by Leviticus (91634d) — 12/7/2013 @ 9:14 am

  16. There are at least two things which have been the bane of the Big ten over the years, IMO.
    One, until recently, the Big 10 season ended early and had no conference championship, meaning they had maybe an entire month more of time off before the bowl games
    this is no longer true.
    Two, I think the Big Ten coaches have often not been good game day tacticians, or at times over-coaching trying too hard not to be predictable.
    OSU now has Urban Meyer, who is not known for this shortcoming.

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/7/2013 @ 9:26 am

  17. Urban Meyer is known for his tactics. His recruiting tactics.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/7/2013 @ 9:43 am

  18. I really don’t know that much about Urban Meyer, other than he completely outcoached OSU twice when at Florida.

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/7/2013 @ 9:49 am

  19. Any team or any key player can have an off day that makes all the difference. I enjoy the college games but with all the teams in contention in any given year I just don’t ever get hung up with the “championships”. I will always believe that’s the source of where the president’s “I won” skeevy taunt came from, and it continues to make my skin crawl every time I think about it.

    Comment by elissa (7111c9) — 12/7/2013 @ 9:56 am

  20. The argument for Auburn or Missouri going to the national championship … as made by Urban Meyer.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/7/2013 @ 9:58 am

  21. Part of winning a championship is showing up at every game and fighting back when every opponent considers your team the biggest game of the year. Winning a championship when you’ve done that is amazing.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/7/2013 @ 10:00 am

  22. @Steve57- Yeah, it is Dec 7th. Nary a word on the morning propoganda outlets.

    More than a inch here…. the Sheltie had no problem with it; the Chihuahua (aka Mexican Ridgeback) did. He did discover that there was exposed earth under my truck, so, mission accomplished. Don’t even ask about the equine creatures…

    The miracle is that the power stayed on all night… Coffee and fire: excellent choice sir.

    This global warming is becoming problematic.

    Comment by gramps, the original (8b5c63) — 12/7/2013 @ 10:22 am

  23. Take a look at this rating of schedules: http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/strength-of-schedule-by-team. I don’t think this says “everything” but it says “something.”

    FSU’s schedule was ranked 40th. Ohio State was 53rd. Then take a look at the top 10 schedules. Who is listed there.

    If FSU and OSU win out, it will be next to impossible to deny them a BCS championship meeting even if you can make a statistical argument that they went 12-0 by beating weaker teams than the rest of the top 10 teams.

    If either, or both, FSU or OSU lose then things get incredibly interesting. OSU faces MSU which also has a 51st ranked schedule. All in all, OSU and MSU are fairly evenly matched in a lot of regards.

    Auburn struggled early against teams that had very tough schedules. But they won. Auburn won their final two games (against teams with tough schedules) on remarkable plays. The “Immaculate Deflection” and the “Long Return” are different in many ways but both required highly talented athletic players to play to their maximum potential and never give up. That counts. Georgia and Alabama coaches and players made serious mental lapses and failed to put the game away when they had the chance to do so. (I firmly believe a lot of the Alabama squad let up and stopped playing for a few critical seconds while the field goal attempt was in the air. You can tell this by noting how few ‘Bama players pursued their assignments when the ball was in the air. A regrettable mental lapse that cost them a game and a third consecutive championship bid.)

    I am not going to say what a “fair outcome” would be because it so subjective. The rules (arguably flawed) favor two teams who played demonstrably weaker teams to get to the top of the BCS standings. But that is how the system works and that is why they are going to a playoff system next year.

    Either way, the top 10 teams have played remarkable football this season. And it will be a great weekend for football and a good series of bowls. I can live with the outcome.

    Comment by WarEagle82 (b18ccf) — 12/7/2013 @ 10:27 am

  24. Battle for Texas – Baylor vs Texas

    I reckon some A&M fans would pitch a fit if they heard you say this.

    Comment by JVW (709bc7) — 12/7/2013 @ 10:29 am

  25. the Chihuahua (aka Mexican Ridgeback) did

    I bet your Chihauhaua scales up to lion size given enough time. My miniature pinscher does.

    Comment by Steve57 (0ffd93) — 12/7/2013 @ 10:34 am

  26. Jeff Sagarin has an interesting take on college football rankings, derived via his computer models. What really fascinates me is that he has North Dakota State, a I-AA program (I guess we call it FCS now), rated as the 22nd best team overall in college football, ahead of teams like Oklahoma and Notre Dame. He also rates three-loss Wisconsin (#10) higher than one-loss Auburn (#11), and four-loss Washington (#12) higher than one-loss Michigan State (#13). There’s some fuel for argument.

    Comment by JVW (709bc7) — 12/7/2013 @ 10:42 am

  27. Actually I said last week that the SEC champion could make a strong case to be in the national championship,
    but it is hard to leapfrog a team that is undefeated.

    Had Wisconsin not become brain dead for roughly 17 minutes last week, they would have only 2 losses, 1 at ASU that was a bona fide crime, and 1 by a touchdown at OSU.
    But they did and they lost, so they are likely out of a major bowl.

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/7/2013 @ 11:23 am

  28. Ohio State is not as fast as people think. They only look fast against teams like Purdue.
    FSU is faster and stronger than OSU throughout the lineup.

    Ditto Alabama

    I’d say Auburn too, but they are lucky to be there as they should have lost against Georgia and then got a wee bit lucky (missed field goals, stupid end of game FG decision) again with Alabama.

    Ohio State would be 4th or 5th in the SEC,
    but if they were to play Missouri in the BCS game, OSU would have a chance.

    West Coast take
    Stanford vs. OSU would end up with OSU winning
    Oregon vs OSU would be high scoring but OSU would win

    Oh.
    OSU vs. OSU?
    Oklahoma State loses. Penalty: Too many Texan defectors on the field. 71 to be exact

    Comment by steveg (794291) — 12/7/2013 @ 11:45 am

  29. Ohio State is not as fast as people think. They only look fast against teams like Purdue.
    FSU is faster and stronger than OSU throughout the lineup.

    Ditto Alabama

    I’d say Auburn too, but they are lucky to be there as they should have lost against Georgia and then got a wee bit lucky (missed field goals, stupid end of game FG decision) again with Alabama.

    There is a non sequitur here. Auburn isn’t fast because they are lucky?

    You have to play the whole game. Twists and turns, bad calls, unbelievable breaks are all part of the game. If you can only manage to build a one-score lead, those factors matter a lot more. And those factors matter in a 60 minute game. And Auburn played all 60 minutes this year at a fast pace with skill and a little bit of good fortune…

    Comment by WarEagle82 (b18ccf) — 12/7/2013 @ 12:14 pm

  30. You are right.
    It was a non sequitur
    Auburn has very good team speed.

    I don’t think Auburn has the combination of speed and strength throughout the lineup of Alabama and I think those unbelievable breaks eventually dry up and/or swing the other way.

    Auburn lost twice at 59 1/2 minutes and had to rely on two miracle plays to win.
    I cannot bet on luck like that continuing.

    Auburn is as fast as OSU, but OSU beats Auburn by getting every lucky break

    Comment by steveg (794291) — 12/7/2013 @ 12:42 pm

  31. Oh.
    Nevermind about OSU vs OSU. The Cowboys took care of that themselves with a six shooter to the foot

    Comment by steveg (794291) — 12/7/2013 @ 12:45 pm

  32. Auburn MUST be special. After all, they named the symbol for gold after us.

    War Eagle! Go,Tigers, go!!!

    Comment by WarEagle82 (b18ccf) — 12/7/2013 @ 1:09 pm

  33. I don’t know about the always “SEC” is faster stuff, whether there are any statistics that demonstrate that.
    I suppose on the average December day somebody at Alabama can run faster in shorts than someone with boots and long pants in Wisconsin.
    Other than that, perhaps Florida was fortunate that Ted Ginn Jr.’s own teammates slowed him down by mashing his foot after that kickoff run back.
    And I recall a number of years ago when Wisconsin played Arkansas, and a Wisconsin cornerback ran down some speedster (McFadden?) from behind to save a touchdown.

    I don’t know if OSU would have won the SEC or not this year, (for that matter, Alabama, ranked #1 all year didn’t either), but the reflexive claim that the best in the big ten would always only be 3rd or 4th in the SEC is tiresome.
    But no, from top to bottom the Big ten was not strong this year, Michigan, Penn State, and Nebraska all had weaker teams than usual to start.

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/7/2013 @ 2:05 pm

  34. What a game.
    Go Missouri.

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 12/7/2013 @ 2:12 pm

  35. Our kitten had eyes fixed to the TV at the end of the half.
    What a cat fight.
    The tigers will win.

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/7/2013 @ 3:09 pm

  36. The argument for Auburn or Missouri going to the national championship … as made by Urban Meyer.
    Florida and Michigan both had 1 loss in 2006. Meyer argued that Florida’s stronger schedule justified bumping them ahead of another team with the same record, particularly one that already had lost to OSU.

    Comment by Scrutineer (08b0be) — 12/7/2013 @ 3:13 pm

  37. SEC teams have won 11 out of the last 20
    USC won a couple.
    It was done by having superior strength and speed throughout the lineup.

    Part of my bias comes from reading the late Jim Murray from the LA Times mercilessly mocking the Big Ten visitors to the Rose Bowl.

    The other part of my bias was better described by Daniel Hennessy at the Baylor fansite back in 2009:

    “To win a national championship today in college football, a school must have certain building blocks. A massive fan base that buys tickets and makes donations. A legacy of success that attracts recruits. An administration willing to pay for top-flight coaches and facilities.
    But it’s become clear that one element trumps them all: local talent. The best players, increasingly, come from the South and West, and that’s a problem—potentially a permanent one—for the Big Ten Conference.

    As the college-football season starts this week, the Big Ten—an ancient group of Northern schools stretching from Iowa to Pennsylvania—is again out to rebuild its tattered reputation. The conference has lost its last six appearances in the Rose Bowl, equaling its longest losing streak there ever. It has won two Associated Press national titles since 1969—in 1997 and 2002—while the Southeastern Conference has won the last three in a row. The general knock on the Big Ten is that its players are slower than those in the other power leagues. Last year’s 1-6 bowl record weighs on the minds of its fans and players alike…. Average coaching pay is comparable to rival leagues. ….. top-level recruiting is solid within the region. When the North produces an elite prospect, such as Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor of Jeannette, Pa., those players still tend to remain near home.

    The main problem seems to be rooted in the population growth of the South and West, and the greater zeal for high-school football in those regions. Historically, Pennsylvania and Ohio rank third and fourth all-time in terms of the number of NFL players born within their borders. Florida is fifth. But today, Florida has nearly twice as many active players as Ohio and more than three times as many as Pennsylvania. The South and West continue to benefit because of the national population trend: 47 of the 50 fastest-growing metropolitan areas between 2007 and 2008 were in those regions, according to the Census Bureau. Playing football also is just not as important to Northerners. In the last school year, more high schoolers in Georgia played football than in Pennsylvania, according to data from the National Federation of State High School Associations, even though Pennsylvania has nearly three million more residents.

    None of the top-25 recruits in this year’s freshman class, as ranked by recruiting site Rivals.com, were from a Big Ten state or chose a Big Ten school. Besides Michigan, which is coming off a 3-9 season and has been sidetracked by a report of possible NCAA violations, the conference’s pillar programs aren’t significantly changing their recruiting patterns. Ohio State’s 2009 roster lists a combined 12 Floridians, Californians and Texans, compared to 14 in 2002. Penn State is only slightly less reliant on its region: 59% of its current players are from Pennsylvania, Ohio and New Jersey, down from 65% seven years ago.
    “It’s become apparent in the Midwest that the rare guys who can change the game on a dime are few and far between because of the talent pool,” says Jeremy Crabtree, a recruiting editor at Rivals.com. “The Big Ten schools have to go to new territories. They have to go to Florida.”

    The Big Ten has been fighting negative perceptions of its football since the 1970s, when highly favored (but overly conservative) Big Ten teams repeatedly suffered embarrassing losses in the Rose Bowl. Jim Murray, the famed Los Angeles Times sports writer, would also lampoon Ohio State coach Woody Hayes, whose militaristic manner came to symbolize the Big Ten. “Woody was consistent,” Mr. Murray quipped. “Graceless in victory and graceless in defeat.”
    In 1976, Mr. Hayes’s unbeaten Buckeyes lost by 13 to a UCLA team they’d routed by 21 that season. In 1984, 10-1 Illinois faced 6-4-1 UCLA, which had several players ill from food poisoning. The result: UCLA 45, Illinois 9. “This makes me sick,” Illinois defensive tackle Don Thorp ironically said afterward.
    The Big Ten’s performance dramatically improved in the 1990s, when more of its teams began playing on grass fields like at the Rose Bowl instead of Astroturf or similar surfaces—but the rise of the South and West in the past few years has dimmed the picture again.

    The standard response from Big Ten players, coaches and administrators is that the conference will be back. “We’re playing the best of the best in their backyard,” says commissioner Jim Delany, referring to the fact that most bowl games are played in SEC and Pac-10 territory. “If you look at it over a long period of time, we’re about .500 against the SEC. It’s cyclical.”

    “I don’t know that anyone in this conference has an inferiority complex,” says Ohio State’s Mr. Tressel. “If you watch ball games, our guys will play toe-to-toe with anyone. If you watch the NFL draft, they’ll get selected at the same regularity of almost every conference.”
    Circumstances may finally be turning in the Big Ten’s favor. The Sept. 12 Southern California-Ohio State game—the league’s next opportunity to prove its worth—is in Columbus, marking USC’s first Big Ten road trip under coach Pete Carroll. USC will be playing with a freshman quarterback and without one of its top wide receivers. Penn State quarterback Daryll Clark says he’ll be a Buckeye fan that day, even though rival Ohio State is the Nittany Lions’ top competition for the Big Ten title.

    “I feel like everyone in the Big Ten needs to take all of this as a sign of disrespect,” he says. “We’re perceived as a very weak conference, which is not true. We’re as fast as everyone else; we’re as strong as everyone else. We just need to start winning these games.”

    Comment by steveg (794291) — 12/7/2013 @ 3:27 pm

  38. The tigers will win.

    Pretty sure the Tigers are going to lose, MD.

    Comment by JVW (709bc7) — 12/7/2013 @ 3:30 pm

  39. steveg- great read, thanks.
    Growing up knowing a few guys who played big time college football in the 70′s. One thing the players said that left the cold of the midwest was,” The chicks in Florida and California wear skirts all year”
    Hard to compete with that intangible.

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 12/7/2013 @ 4:42 pm

  40. I take the, “what a game comment back”.
    Pathetic defense.

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 12/7/2013 @ 5:07 pm

  41. Auburn has improved all year. And they played all four quarters tonight. And the took home the SEC Championship.

    I hope they peak in the BCS championship bowl in January.

    War Eagle!!! Go, you Auburn Tigers, go!!!

    Comment by WarEagle82 (b18ccf) — 12/7/2013 @ 5:16 pm

  42. Thee Ohio State University should lose tonight to save future embarrassment.

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 12/7/2013 @ 5:28 pm

  43. Skip the BCS Championship game and give the darn trophy to Auburn. Wow! What a performance, best college game since Boise State blindsided Oklahoma in OT in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl.

    Comment by ropelight (af4da9) — 12/7/2013 @ 5:41 pm

  44. JVW, by now, A&M is used to being the fourth-best football team in Texas, so being third-best this year after a brief foray into the upper tier last year sits pretty good with us, good enough to warrant extending the coach’s contract. It’s a little difficult to swallow Baylor as #1, but that’s better than Tech, whose butt we’ve been sniffing for 15 years. I do think it’ll be easier to handle 4-4 in the SEC year after year than 6-3, 5-4 or 4-5 in the Big 12-minus-2.

    Comment by Diffus (4a5ca6) — 12/7/2013 @ 6:03 pm

  45. It’s championship day for Florida State, Auburn, Stanford, and Baylor. But it was upset day for Oklahoma State and Ohio State. I guess that means the national championship will be Florida State vs Auburn. Congrats, WarEagle82.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/7/2013 @ 8:53 pm

  46. Doesn’t the Pac-12 still play the Big 10 in the Rose Bowl? If so, that would be Stanford vs Michigan State. I’d take Stanford in that match-up.

    We could also see Baylor vs Alabama. That would be a good game.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/7/2013 @ 9:02 pm

  47. “The” Ohio State University football team gets exposed for the fraud that it is.

    Comment by Whitey Nisson (953c33) — 12/7/2013 @ 9:02 pm

  48. Ohio State squandered an opportunity to tie the score with a field goal, but was turned back on 4th and one and a half. Michigan State got the ball and scored a TD.

    That major coaching blunder is on Urban Meyer, and it just may have cost OS a chance to play for the national championship.

    Comment by ropelight (af4da9) — 12/7/2013 @ 9:05 pm

  49. Auburn played without any let down from last weeks barn burner… and won going away.
    Congratulations to them. WarEagle, your fast guys showed up and burned through those holes.

    MSU vs OSU, I was shocked at how many 3rd and 4th downs got stuffed by MSU.
    Hats off to that D.
    That offense needs some work, but did the job.
    Stanford vs MSU? Looks like an old fashioned slugfest.

    Auburn vs FSU is going to be fun to watch… except when the camera pans to Winston on the sidelines..
    If Auburn vs FSU is the match up I pick FSU by 17

    Earlier today I was down on FSU’s strength of schedule because any league championship football game with Duke in it is suspect

    I’ll glad we don’t have to watch Alabama play Auburn in an all SEC final like that Alabama vs LSU snorer

    OSU absolutely got exposed. They had 2-3 playmakers on each side of the ball. That is not enough. MSU found a way in the second half to remind that Bosa kid from OSU that he is a freshman. But he is a fast big guy and will be special someday

    I’ll keep my thoughts about Missouri’s quality throughout the lineup to myself.

    Baylor vs Alabama would be fun because we would get to see how good Baylor is against top flight competition

    Well, anyway, the Top 3 at the end of this year are legit, unlike that travesty Notre Dame pulled off last year

    Comment by steveg (794291) — 12/7/2013 @ 9:34 pm

  50. In other news, Kansas City beat Salt Lake in a riveting game that went down to the tenth pair of penalty kicks. (!!)

    Comment by aphrael (37d88b) — 12/7/2013 @ 9:47 pm

  51. Steve, I spent most of today reviewing the 10 year period leading up to Japan’s attack on Oahu. Lots of informative analysis available on-line, surprising stuff I never encountered before, and I was stationed at Hickam Field in the middle ’60s.

    Comment by ropelight (af4da9) — 12/7/2013 @ 9:53 pm

  52. Doesn’t the Pac-12 still play the Big 10 in the Rose Bowl? If so, that would be Stanford vs Michigan State. I’d take Stanford in that match-up.

    The Pac 12 conference champion plays the Big 10 conference champion in the Rose Bowl unless either conference champ goes to the BCS Title game instead, or the conference champ is ranked outside of the BCS Top 20. In that case, the Rose Bowl is free to take a substitute team from the BCS-eligible candidates.

    You may recall a few years back that TCU got the Pac 12 slot when Oregon went to the BCS championship game, and one year Texas got to play Michigan when USC went to the BCS title game.

    I also like Stanford over Michigan State, but I have been impressed with MSU’s play the last few weeks and think they will give Stanford all they can handle.

    FSU-Auburn ought to be a great game.

    Comment by JVW (709bc7) — 12/7/2013 @ 11:56 pm

  53. In other news, Kansas City beat Salt Lake in a riveting game that went down to the tenth pair of penalty kicks. (!!)

    When you get to the tenth round of penalty kicks are you having the goalies attempt them?

    Comment by JVW (709bc7) — 12/8/2013 @ 12:02 am

  54. minimum wagers vs.

    people who can read

    Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 12/8/2013 @ 2:04 am

  55. Comment by steveg (794291) — 12/7/2013 @ 3:27 pm

    First, hats off to MSU for a fine defensive effort.
    Second, my opinion of Urban Meyer as a great game day coach has gone down (maybe it wasn’t valid before, IDK).

    Back to the discussion of the failures of the Big Ten, as the article pointed out, doubts about them have gone back to the 70′s at least, before the demographic changes.
    I remember how people were talking about how Joe Paterno was too old to coach and how the south was too fast back before Penn State went down and beat Miami in the 80′s. That was a game where Paterno out-coached them. Miami thought they could pass against anybody and beat anybody with the pass, they their receivers could outrun anybody.
    Well, maybe their receivers could outrun anybody, but Penn state didn’t try to keep up, they played a zone and let Michael Irving and Company know that after they caught the ball they would get hit, something they were not accustomed to.
    If Miami had decided to take what was given and go to the run, I bet they would have won, as I don’t think Penn State could have stopped the run and pass at the same time (being a very talented team, they did have at least one great RB)

    Everyone knows the coach is to get the players ready for the game, especially in college. Auburn and their coach did not have a hard time getting ready for last night. They knew they had a fight against Alabama, prevailed, and on that high went into the next one. OSU went into Michigan last week heavily favored, nearly lost, and probably spent the first half of last week sighing and thankful they squeaked by, and then went into last night afraid of what they had to lose.

    I always thought a big reason the Big Ten was notoriously poor in the Rose Bowl was just the distraction factor. The Big 10 would end in mid November, often with OSU-Michigan, and then they would have almost 2 months off and fly into So. Cal and do all of the Rose Bowl nonsense of going to Disneyland and seeing “all the girls in skirts” in December as said before.
    I wonder what the outcome of some of those games would have been had USC had to go to Columbus or Ann Arbor, while those Big 10 teams were at home doing their usual routine.

    Big 10 success in the 90′s featured Wisconsin. They did not have a grass field as far as I know (grass doesn’t grow that far north ;-) ), but they did have Barry Alvarez as a coach, which I think was a big difference.

    I think it is pretty fair to say that the average 17 yo star athlete likes the idea of playing where it is warm year round and the girls wear skirts (or less), but OSU can still say “look at all of the Heisman RB’s that have come through here”, and Wisconsin can say look at Russell Wilson, and all of the pro offensive and defensive linemen we’ve sent to the pros, and pro wide receivers, etc.

    Have more SEC teams go north to play Big ten teams on their home turf, where the big ten teams don’t have to deal with the novelty and distraction, and maybe there will be some things different.
    But then I guess Wisconsin is going south to play LSU and Alabama at the beginning of the season the next two years. At least it is (usually) still hot in Wisconsin in August and into early September (sort-of), and there will not be the bowl press sight-seeing novelty.

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/8/2013 @ 6:27 am

  56. If only the SEC tried to field hockey teams and hockey was as popular as football…
    ;-)

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/8/2013 @ 6:28 am

  57. Curling, there ya go. I bet even intramural clubs from Minnesota and Wisconsin could beat the All-SEC curling team.
    Yeah.

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/8/2013 @ 6:29 am

  58. Battle for Texas – Baylor vs Texas

    I reckon some A&M fans would pitch a fit if they heard you say this.

    Smar TAM fans know they no longer play to win merely “Texas” but all of the SouthEast… :-D

    Comment by Smock Puppet, Gadfy, Racist-Sexist Thug, and Bon Vivant All In One Package (225d0d) — 12/8/2013 @ 7:10 am

  59. If only the SEC tried to field hockey teams and hockey was as popular as football…
    ;-)

    Well UF did just add women’s Lacrosse to their roster a few years back :-D

    Comment by Smock Puppet, Gadfy, Racist-Sexist Thug, and Bon Vivant All In One Package (225d0d) — 12/8/2013 @ 7:11 am

  60. Here you go, guys. http://i.imgur.com/ud2HNho.jpg?1

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/8/2013 @ 7:38 am

  61. Auburn vs FSU is going to be fun to watch… except when the camera pans to Winston on the sidelines..
    If Auburn vs FSU is the match up I pick FSU by 17

    Earlier today I was down on FSU’s strength of schedule because any league championship football game with Duke in it is suspect

    I am amused that you actually picked FSU while still saying this.

    I will not be amazed if FSU wins, but… don’t bet against the SEC in an NC game, son. Just don’t. ;-)

    I think that ‘Bama is almost certainly the better team, but I believe that FSU lacks the ‘D’ to shut down AU’s running game for a moment, and that AU’s ‘D’, while not as good as Alabama’s, can shut down FSU *enough* that they will win the game. I am betting it’ll probably be the highest scoring NC game in the last two decades. This depends on how good FSU’s offense really is, and how bad AU’s defense really is.

    I’m glad we don’t have to watch Alabama play Auburn in an all SEC final like that Alabama vs LSU snorer

    I’ll amply grant that it was a defensively dominated game, and those generally are less interesting to watch, but those WERE still the best two teams in the nation that year…

    OSU absolutely got exposed. They had 2-3 playmakers on each side of the ball.

    And this is why “strength of schedule” matters an awful lot more than being completely undefeated does. I will take a one-loss team which has played 2-3 teams STILL in the top 15 over a no-loss team that has not played anyone in the top 15 as the season winds down at all.

    This was the FIRST top-10 team OSU played all season. In fact, it was the FIRST top-10 team OSU has played since the 2010 Sugar Bowl in Jan 2011.

    Being “undefeated” means a lot less when you’ve never fully been challenged.
    It’s amazing how many people overrate reaching the end of the season undefeated.
    YES — It generally means you are one of the top 25 teams in the nation.
    It even probably means you’re one of the top 10.

    But one thing it doesn’t mean is that you’re one of the top 5. For that, you should have to have played at least 2 teams still in the top 10 to 15 in the nation.

    This is why playoffs are good. They FORCE teams to play against the best in the nation, something many schedules simply fail to do, sometimes by intention (yeah, that means YOU, “Big East”).

    That is not enough. MSU found a way in the second half to remind that Bosa kid from OSU that he is a freshman. But he is a fast big guy and will be special someday

    He voluntarily chose to go to OSU.
    Aren’t they ALL special“…?
    (Nudge Nudge Wink Wink SAY NO MORE…)
    :-D

    Comment by Smock Puppet, Gadfy, Racist-Sexist Thug, and Bon Vivant All In One Package (225d0d) — 12/8/2013 @ 7:44 am

  62. Have more SEC teams go north to play Big ten teams on their home turf, where the big ten teams don’t have to deal with the novelty and distraction, and maybe there will be some things different.
    But then I guess Wisconsin is going south to play LSU and Alabama at the beginning of the season the next two years. At least it is (usually) still hot in Wisconsin in August and into early September (sort-of), and there will not be the bowl press sight-seeing novelty.

    Won’t matter. They won’t be used to the oppressive HEAT which will still be dominant in the South that time of year.

    I’d argue it’s not the home turf, but the conditioning aspect of your argument that has merit — the northern teams have been playing in fairly cool weather for a month and more, and then they have to head south to play in at least short-shirt sleeve weather, and it’s possible their conditioning programs don’t have allowances for that. But this is something the schools should be figuring out for themselves — they need to crank up the heat in their workout rooms as the season winds down and they prepare for the bowls, so the players get used to sweating their asses off as they work out.

    This has long been one of the benefits of the SEC, Florida’s and Texas’s teams — if you can play well in the hot mugginess of the South during August and September, you’re gold by the time winter rolls around. Yes, playing in the ice and snow would be much more difficult, but it’s a lot easier to stay warm than it is to “get cool” when exercising that hard.

    Comment by Smock Puppet, Gadfy, Racist-Sexist Thug, and Bon Vivant All In One Package (225d0d) — 12/8/2013 @ 8:02 am

  63. Curling, there ya go. I bet even intramural clubs from Minnesota and Wisconsin could beat the All-SEC curling team.
    Yeah.

    Not after Jeremy Foley hired a coach for UF’s curling team… ;-D

    Comment by Smock Puppet, Gadfy, Racist-Sexist Thug, and Bon Vivant All In One Package (225d0d) — 12/8/2013 @ 8:04 am

  64. Congrats to Auburn and FSU. Should be a high scoring shootout. I still want Baylor vs Oregon in a bowl game.

    Comment by JD (42159b) — 12/8/2013 @ 8:09 am

  65. Stanford wins the Pac-12 championship and is headed to the Rose Bowl.

    Feh.

    Comment by Mark (58ea35) — 12/8/2013 @ 8:16 am

  66. If Ohio State had to play an SEC schedule, they’d have had four losses this year.

    In the past two weeks, Auburn beat the #1 and #5 teams in the nation. That’s playing for keeps when it matters the most.

    In 15 national championship games, an SEC team has won nine titles, and no SEC team has ever lost in the national championship game except for LSU in 2011, when they played another SEC team, Alabama.

    Comment by The University of Kentucky alumnus Dana (af9ec3) — 12/8/2013 @ 8:41 am

  67. A real national championship game would be an Auburn vs Alabama rematch.

    Comment by The University of Kentucky alumnus Dana (af9ec3) — 12/8/2013 @ 8:42 am

  68. If Ohio State had to play an SEC schedule, they’d have had four losses this year.

    BS. There is no way to quantify that. Pure speculation. But I have gotten used to the SEC loyalists, who think the history of football only goes back 15 years.

    Comment by JD (5c1832) — 12/8/2013 @ 9:01 am

  69. Speaking of weather, the Eagles vs Lions game is beyond belief. You can barely see the game on TV due to all the blowing snow on the field.

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 12/8/2013 @ 10:29 am

  70. i am one of those s e c loyalists that do believe the s e c reigns supreme, but not by much. especially when you consider that a pair of weak sisters from some no name middle america conference join and not only compete but challenge for the s e c title from day one.
    thankfully for the state of alabama the newcomers have been kept in check

    Comment by tbflowers (e5521d) — 12/8/2013 @ 10:32 am

  71. and glad to see i wasnt the only one watching the kc vs RSL soccer championship.

    Comment by tbflowers (e5521d) — 12/8/2013 @ 10:36 am

  72. tb,

    What do you think the odds are that one of the teams from that no-name conference is about to lure away Alabama’s coach?

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/8/2013 @ 11:24 am

  73. My armpits stink. Even can tell.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vej09uueWN4

    Comment by Steve57 (0ffd93) — 12/8/2013 @ 11:27 am

  74. Even I

    Comment by Steve57 (0ffd93) — 12/8/2013 @ 11:28 am

  75. Not after Jeremy Foley hired a coach for UF’s curling team…
    Comment by Smock Puppet, Gadfy, Racist-Sexist Thug, and Bon Vivant All In One Package (225d0d) — 12/8/2013 @ 8:04 am

    Shirley, you must be joking…
    Or are there enough snow birds populating Florida year round now to justify such a thing??

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/8/2013 @ 11:37 am

  76. I think there is a bit of sports-psychology self-fulfilling prophecy. The typical SEC Team has the confidence that they have the tools to win, the BIG 10, esp OSU, is worrying about what they need to do to not get embarrassed again.
    That in itself is a problem. You need to have a mindset to aggressively play ball, not worry about what you will do to mess up.

    If you want to know where weather is really a disadvantage to the north… baseball.
    Even schools in the north that still play baseball take spring break tours down south and get whipped. It is their first games outside of the season while the southern teams already have 20 games under their belt.
    “Spring training” in HS baseball meant running up and down the stairs inside.

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/8/2013 @ 11:43 am

  77. Navy story for Steve57. http://i.imgur.com/05K3ES9.jpg Why not? He does it.

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 12/8/2013 @ 12:25 pm

  78. BS. There is no way to quantify that. Pure speculation. But I have gotten used to the SEC loyalists, who think the history of football only goes back 15 years.

    Comment by JD (5c1832) — 12/8/2013 @ 9:01 am

    Your statement is itself pure BRAVO SIERRA. There are many ways to quantify the notion that some teams are better than others. At least a few have been posted in this thread. But you have to be willing to consider it and look for the evidence that has already been presented. But not everyone is willing or able…

    Here is yet another way to look at “inconvenient truths.”
    http://www.mrsec.com/2013/01/conference-bowl-records-this-year-and-last-15-years/

    One conference has dominated recent bowls. Guess which conference that is?

    And Auburn’s bowl history? That team that is just “lucky?”
    Auburn Bowl Results (22-13-2)
    http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/bowl_history_auburn.html

    How does Ohio State rate: Ohio State Bowl Results (20-23)

    Comment by WarEagle82 (b18ccf) — 12/8/2013 @ 12:54 pm

  79. The reason I pick FSU is that they have speed, strength and good football instincts throughout the lineup. Their D has some terrific athletes.

    FSU humiliated and exposed Miami and Clemson, which to me showed that those two were overrated. Then they go up against Duke for the conference championship.
    Who wouldn’t have second thoughts?
    (SEC’s USC beat Clemson by 14 and held Clemson under 20 pts)

    Baylor vs. UCF proves absolutely nothing unless UCF wallops Baylor.

    Oregon’s Nike benefactor Phil Knight should fly cross country to lobby bowl officials to choose Oregon over Oklahoma to face Alabama.
    He probably would have to do some back room negotiations the old fashioned way with a briefcase or two of cash and all the good looking strippers he can round up. I don’t think it is an NCAA violation to bribe.. oops… I mean incentivize bowl officials, because if it was, there’d be no point in being a bowl official… the system seems set up to ensure that the officials WILL be persuaded.

    Comment by steveg (794291) — 12/8/2013 @ 1:05 pm

  80. I wish I had done it, nk.

    Comment by Steve57 (0ffd93) — 12/8/2013 @ 1:10 pm

  81. You didn’t posit that any random Big Ten team would lose a bowl game. You posited that this Ohio State team would lose 4 games in the SEC.

    Comment by JD (b90286) — 12/8/2013 @ 1:26 pm

  82. Of course, I posited nothing. I have offered data that shows that SEC teams plays higher ranked teams and wins more bowl than other conferences.

    But if you wish to continue that “Denial” is only a river in Egypt you are free to do so…

    Comment by WarEagle82 (b18ccf) — 12/8/2013 @ 1:50 pm

  83. Ohio State’s SEC Struggles
    Ohio State Just Can’t Beat SEC Teams in Bowl Games

    By Tim Hyland
    Not even the most die-hard Ohio State fan could deny it: The Buckeyes have been simply awful against the SEC.
    How awful? This awful: The Buckeyes have never beaten an SEC team in a bowl game. They’ve had nine chances, too.

    The failures have been magnified in the past two seasons, as the Buckeyes have been blown out in back-to-back BCS Championship games — first by Florida (2007), then by LSU (2008) — but the truth is, Ohio State’s struggles against the SEC date all the way back to 1977, when they were pummeled by Alabama, 35-6, in the Sugar Bowl. What is most remarkable about the SEC’s dominance over Ohio State, however, may be the fact that it has continued even during the Jim Tressel era. Tressel has delivered just about everything Ohio State fans could want — dominance over Michigan, Big Ten titles, a national championship — but even he can’t seem to break the Buckeyes’ SEC jinx.

    Here, we take a look back at some of the Buckeyes’ recent SEC losses.

    http://collegefootball.about.com/od/schools/ig/Ohio-State-vs–The-SEC/

    Ohio State University is 20-23 in all bowl games but they are 0-9 against the SEC in bowls.

    Facts are stubborn things. Just ask algore…

    Comment by WarEagle82 (b18ccf) — 12/8/2013 @ 1:59 pm

  84. It was suggested that this OSU team would lose 4 games in this SEC. Period.

    Comment by JD (b90286) — 12/8/2013 @ 2:35 pm

  85. 77-lmao.

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 12/8/2013 @ 2:35 pm

  86. btflowers wrote:

    and glad to see i wasnt the only one watching the kc vs RSL soccer championship.

    Soccer: what boys who aren’t good enough to play real football do.

    Comment by The Dana who played (af9ec3) — 12/8/2013 @ 2:56 pm

  87. “Ah, Columbus, we’ve had a problem.”

    Comment by WarEagle82 (b18ccf) — 12/8/2013 @ 2:56 pm

  88. JD wrote:

    You posited that this Ohio State team would lose 4 games in the SEC.

    That was me, and Ohio State, if it played in the SEC, would have lost to Alabama, Auburn, South Carolina and LSU, though, surprisingly, they’d have beaten Missouri and Kentucky. :lol:

    Comment by The realistic Dana (af9ec3) — 12/8/2013 @ 3:14 pm

  89. Dana, some people aren’t interested in facts. If you disturb the delusion you can agitate the subject. And that can have dire consequences.

    BTW, it is at least theoretically possible that Ohio State could have beaten one of the Mississippi teams. Though they have never managed to do so in bowl play throughout modern history.

    Facts are stubborn things…

    Comment by WarEagle82 (b18ccf) — 12/8/2013 @ 3:58 pm

  90. I suggest that an overall comparison of the Big Ten to the SEC based on OSU in bowl games against the SEC is like predicting earth’s climate based on certain data from the mid 70′s to the mid 90′s, suspect to overstating your case.

    Show me total SEC/BIG 10 over the years, by decade, and in bowl games, by decade.

    This year, as I’ve said before, the BIG 10 was particularly week, and it did OSU no good to have less than stellar competition prior to playing MSU, the #1 defense in the nation, supposedly.
    But to say that OSU would have automatically lost 4 games in the SEC is conjecture, not logical deduction.

    OSU fans thought things might be different with Meyer. A few years ago some of us thought about wearing black on game day, even if OSU played against Western Kentucky A+M Tech in the “You’ve Got to Be Kidding Bowl”. Now that we see what they can do under Meyer in the BIG 10 championship, we will assume OSU will lose whatever bowl game they play against no matter who, and if they win, it will be a pleasant surprise.
    But that is reflective of OSU being too scared of losing in order to win, not about the BIG 10 as a whole being too fat and slow.

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/8/2013 @ 4:14 pm

  91. Eddie George, for one, went to OSU a long time after they had begun their less than stellar showing against the SEC. He seemed to be fast enough, for one.

    So, you will probably talk about “Team speed”. Team speed as measured by what, the 40 times, or how fast it appears people get to the ball? Getting to the ball is due to a lot more than speed, it has to do with being prepared, being aggressive, and not standing back on your heels waiting to see what will happen next.

    I would like to see the Big Ten teams do absolutely zero media, zero sight seeing, and zero all of the other hoopla until after the bowl game is played, and then they only get to do any of it if they win.
    That would at least take the distraction factor out of it, but it will never happen.

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/8/2013 @ 4:22 pm

  92. As of 2011, Ohio State is 8-11-1 against SEC opponents. And I think this includes a recent win against Arkansas that was vacated.

    Six of those wins come against Kentucky and Vanderbilt who are among the weakest teams in the SEC.

    In other words, Ohio State an win against the weakest two teams in the SEC. And virtually nobody else.

    Assuming OSU can arrange their schedule to ONLY play Kentucky and Vandy, things look good for them should they joint the SEC. Otherwise, not so much…

    Facts are stubborn things…

    Comment by WarEagle82 (b18ccf) — 12/8/2013 @ 5:28 pm

  93. WarEagle82,
    Before you lecture me about facts being stubborn things,
    When did I ask for a record of OSU against the SEC?

    As I said above, even many of us OSU fans are going to default mode of expecting OSU to lose a bowl game, no matter who they play, and be pleasantly surprised if they win.
    Whether the SEC is better or not, whether any given SEC team is better than OSU or not, for the foreseeable future OSU is in the “Oh, no!! What do we have to do to not lose??” mode, which will not serve them well.
    Perhaps the OSU team that beat Miami (2003?) thought they were the inferior team (since everybody said how fast and athletic and great Miami was and how OSU couldn’t stand up to them) and had nothing to lose, so they just came out and played tough. Maybe Miami believed their own hype. Maybe the moon was at just the right phase.

    One thing is for sure, just as nk’s cartoon explained, the team with the most points will win, unless it is golf.
    And just as temperature readings from 1975 or so to 2000 do not predict the future of the world,
    neither do 15 years of college football.
    For example, I recall Alabama being a powerhouse years back, and then they were kind of mediocre for quite a stretch, weren’t they? And now again they have been tough for years in a row. Who knows 5 years from now?
    And isn’t that in large part due to coaching, that a successful coach attracts good players and there is some continuing momentum? Coaches don’t last forever>
    Did Florida all of a sudden no longer have fast athletes to go to school there?

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/8/2013 @ 5:59 pm

  94. “Denial” is overflowing its banks.

    Historically, OSU has not fared well against the SEC but only for the last few decades.

    Comment by WarEagle82 (b18ccf) — 12/8/2013 @ 6:44 pm

  95. Have you not noticed that I have asked about the BIG Ten vs the SEC as a whole, and you are perseverating on OSU, whom I have already given up on?

    And it was sad that Missouri lost one of their players after the Auburn defender rode him out of bounds and into that cart. That looked painful hundreds of miles away.

    The main thing I am questioning is the foregone conclusion that the SEC is destined to reign forever as the premier college football conference, just as the Earth’s temperature was destined to rise.

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/8/2013 @ 7:00 pm

  96. College football? Meh.

    I just cheer for anyone playing against USC.

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 12/8/2013 @ 7:04 pm

  97. So, anything happen over the weekend?

    Comment by Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 12/8/2013 @ 7:07 pm

  98. “So, anything happen over the weekend?”

    Lenin’s polling is pretty low in the Ukraine.

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 12/8/2013 @ 7:13 pm

  99. True that, SPQR.

    hey, WarEagle82,
    SC, the 3rd best in the SEC and #8 in the nation, per the latest poll, lining up against Wisconsin, 3rd best in the Big Ten and a lowly #18/19 in the nation
    for PP bragging rights, there ya’ go

    Though I still say it would be a better match of football ability if played in mid December in Tennessee or so.

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/8/2013 @ 7:18 pm

  100. JVW – the goalies would be taking penalty kicks on the eleventh round. I was actually kinda disappointed it didn’t get to that.

    Comment by aphrael (37d88b) — 12/8/2013 @ 7:59 pm

  101. I’ve always favored a rule that high school players have to stay in their home states to play college ball. Obviously that’s never going to happen and it shouldn’t be a rule, but if it were …

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/8/2013 @ 8:35 pm

  102. MD,

    Your Badgers are playing in Orlando’s Citrus Bowl.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/8/2013 @ 8:52 pm

  103. Not college, but tomorrow night at halftime of the Cowboys- Bears game “senator” Ditka is having his number retired. Rest assured Texas fans–we pretty much always lose in front of a national audience on Monday Night Football.

    Comment by elissa (e410e0) — 12/8/2013 @ 9:08 pm

  104. Holy crap, the SEC put 10 of 16 teams into bowl games this year… And even there, the earliest ones are Dec. 30th.

    I still want Baylor vs Oregon in a bowl game.

    Well, you’re getting Baylor vs. UCF. But you’re almost getting what you want, with Oregon vs. Texas.

    I don’t know if OSU would have won the SEC or not this year, (for that matter, Alabama, ranked #1 all year didn’t either), but the reflexive claim that the best in the big ten would always only be 3rd or 4th in the SEC is tiresome.

    It may be tiresome to hear, but that does not argue for or against its validity. The SEC earns its props by consistently winning in the bowl games, which, unlike the regular season, match up vaguely equivalent teams in the conferences against one another, and by having a consistently #1 or #2 (usually #1) record in the results among all the conferences for year after year**. This is also consistently better than 50%, as well. The only other conference which has challenged regularly for this is the PAC-10/12, and even that is spotty. And, for various reasons, the PAC rarely plays against the SEC in bowl games (Yup. Look into it), or I argue they would fare more poorly.

    And as noted, In the BCS era, the SEC has won every NC bowl game they’ve been in, nine total.

    Equally importantly, they’ve done it with FIVE different teams, and no other conference has won it more than twice. Three SEC teams have won it two or three times (if AU wins they will be the fourth) and no non-SEC team has won it twice.

    If FSU wins, it will be their second of the BCS era. You might nominally argue Texas got a second one “by default” when USC vacated their win of 2004, I suppose.

    The SEC is a very tough conference to play in. They are a football powerhouse, and every team in it rates Football as their main sports interest (excluding Kentucky, I guess). They also recruit from the South, which can make a great case as being the best recruiting ground for football players in the nation, including as it does both Texas and Florida, places where high school football is taken seriously.

    ============
    ** And, not that I’m complaining, I’ll point out that this happens despite the recent record of the SEC putting teams into the NC game, which also skews the matchups in favor of the other conferences — matchups that should be SEC#2 vs Other#2 become SEC#3 vs. Other#2, instead. I’m not complaining, I’m saying the matchups are very much skewed in favor of other conferences if you look at them each year, so any claim that the matchups somehow favor the SEC is just wrong.

    Comment by Smock Puppet, Gadfy, Racist-Sexist Thug, and Bon Vivant All In One Package (225d0d) — 12/9/2013 @ 1:44 am

  105. BTW, if anyone wants to argue with me about my bowl claims, you can readily see the stats

    Bowl Seasons here

    That’s for last year — At the bottom are links to former seasons.

    P.S., I will add the comment that I was referring to the Major conferences — The SEC, B10, B12, PAC, ACC, BE. The MAC and its ilk often win x-1 of their games, generally all lower-tier bowl games played on or before Christmas.

    Comment by Smock Puppet, Gadfy, Racist-Sexist Thug, and Bon Vivant All In One Package (225d0d) — 12/9/2013 @ 1:54 am

  106. Well it’s a competition of sorts;

    http://theothermccain.com/2013/12/08/transformation-complete-charles-johnson-denounces-ronald-reagan/

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/9/2013 @ 3:53 am

  107. Ah, yes.
    No one that I can see has said that the SEC has not been dominant for the last 15 years or so.

    The main point of the opposition is that these things may be more cyclical, rather than a trend destined to continue.

    It is not that important to me to look up stats over the last 100 years myself.
    But you folks keep going over the BCS years and OSU, which no one has contested.

    The claim was that OSU would lose 4 games in the SEC, including SC.
    Wisconsin, the #3 in the Big Ten and 18/19 in the nation, will play SC, #3 in the SEC and #8 nationally in the Citrus Bowl

    all PP bragging rights to be determined
    obviously, no matter what the outcome, it can always be said that it was just one game, what does that prove
    but I do hope it is you SEC folks that are sayin’ it
    :-)

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/9/2013 @ 4:24 am

  108. Darn. It’s been done.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGeSIM_8BHY

    Radial Engine Start Up Volkswagen

    You have your Championship Saturdays. I have min.

    Comment by Steve57 (20c19c) — 12/9/2013 @ 4:52 am

  109. I don’t think Ohio State THE Ohio State University will be playing for the national championship.
    But if you like your THE Ohio State Buckeyes, you can keep them.

    The SEC, on the other hand, will be keeping the national championship trophy.
    Winning.
    Or whatever.

    Comment by Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 12/9/2013 @ 11:53 am

  110. Smock Puppet:

    Well, you’re getting Baylor vs. UCF. But you’re almost getting what you want, with Oregon vs. Texas.

    I’m in a strange position this year because I don’t want my team to win, so my current goal is seeing the best possible match-ups. I think Baylor vs Alabama would be a more interesting game than Baylor vs UCF, but I forgot the Big 12 champion is locked into the Fiesta Bowl. I think the Sugar Bowl got the better end of that bargain, and Alabama vs Oklahoma could be a good game. But sometimes Stoops has problems getting his teams ready for bowl games. I don’t think that is true of Briles and the Bears.

    As for Texas vs Oregon, I’m not that interested in a repeat of the Baylor-Texas game with even more bizarre green-yellow uniforms.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/9/2013 @ 12:33 pm

  111. I guess we’ll know more about how the conferences compare when the playoff system starts, and then we’ll know a little more about which conferences field the better teams. I do believe Florida State can beat Auburn, thereby ending the SEC’s run for a year, but I also think the SEC is more competitive day-in and day-out.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/9/2013 @ 12:42 pm

  112. DRJ wrote:

    I’ve always favored a rule that high school players have to stay in their home states to play college ball. Obviously that’s never going to happen and it shouldn’t be a rule, but if it were . . .

    . . . Delaware and Wyoming couldn’t even have football teams. :lol:

    Comment by The mathematical genius Dana (3e4784) — 12/9/2013 @ 1:07 pm

  113. DRJ wrote:

    I do believe Florida State can beat Auburn, thereby ending the SEC’s run for a year, but I also think the SEC is more competitive day-in and day-out.

    That’s pretty much of an “on any given” bowl game day thing; Florida State certainly can beat Auburn, but the reverse is also true.

    Actually, when FSU joined the ACC, I had thought they’d have been a better fit in the SEC, which they could have joined in 1990. Florida State had been a football power when it joined a basketball-dominated conference.

    Comment by The obvious Dana (3e4784) — 12/9/2013 @ 1:16 pm

  114. I know it is sometimes difficult for fans of other conferences to stomach, but the SEC has totally dominated the BCS era, which is currently in its sixteenth year.
    Nine championships by five different schools.

    Possibly a tenth, several weeks from now.

    Comment by Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 12/9/2013 @ 1:18 pm

  115. Conspiracy !
    Or something.

    Comment by Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 12/9/2013 @ 1:35 pm

  116. Someone needs to pound the pavement and get on that underbelly story about how funny officiating has enabled the SEC to win all those championships. Or whatever.

    Because, unfairness.

    The nation needs a redistribution of college football recruits. Or points on the scoreboard. Or both.

    Comment by Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 12/9/2013 @ 1:43 pm

  117. Sore winners who didn’t actually play are the funniest.

    They also tend to be the fairest weather fans of the all.

    It is more fun to follow college football rooting for an underdog team (like Texas Tech, my team). The wins are awesome, kinda like UT’s over the Sooners this year after the team had shown so many problems.

    Anyway, some people attach their ego to everything and can’t get this. Probably the least of their problems, though.

    Comment by Dustin (bfbac8) — 12/9/2013 @ 3:44 pm

  118. There have been 15 BCS Championship games.

    SEC teams have appeared in 9 of them and won 9. The only team to have beaten an SEC team in the BCS Championship game was another SEC team.

    Ohio State University made it to three BCS Championship games. They beat Miani and then lost two more recent games to SEC teams.

    SEC teams have won the last 7. Teams from the state of Alabama have won the last 4 national championships.

    This is how the ACC and SEC match up over the past 63 years.
    SEC is (285-138-10) against ACC
    In bowl games: SEC is (34-18) against ACC
    Per decade
    W L T Win % PFPG PAPG
    2010′s 21 11 0 65.6 29.7 22.4
    2000′s 47 32 0 59.5 24.1 20.4
    1990′s 33 26 1 55.8 24.4 22.6
    1980′s 37 21 2 63.3 22.9 18.5
    1970′s 48 21 1 69.3 22.3 14.0
    1960′s 62 11 4 83.1 22.7 9.6
    1950′s 37 16 2 69.1 18.9 10.9

    Auburn’s bowl record is:22-13-2
    FSU’s bowl record is: 26-16-2

    Auburn played 6 teams ranked 25th or better (1, 5, 6, 7, 24 and 25)
    FSU played 4 teams ranked 25th or better (3, 7, 20 and 25)

    Auburn and FSU have played 18 times between 1954 and 1990. They have not met since 1990. Auburn vs. FSU is 13-4-1.

    We all know how both teams finished the season.

    I am looking forward to an interesting game. I hope everyone else enjoys it too.

    Comment by WarEagle82 (b18ccf) — 12/9/2013 @ 7:09 pm

  119. That table formatted great in preview but not so much in real life…

    Comment by WarEagle82 (b18ccf) — 12/9/2013 @ 7:10 pm

  120. I’m terrible at predictions but I’m going to make one here, for grins. I think Mack Brown will resign as the head football coach at the University of Texas at Austin, although he may stay at UT as a special assistant to President Bill Powers similar to Darrell Royal. I think he will officially resign today prior to the Texas Regents’ meeting but it may not be announced until tonight or tomorrow at the UT Athletic Banquet.

    I think there was a meeting in Houston last night between UT officials, Nick Saban, and his advisers. We know Saban was in Houston recruiting and Flight Aware shows flights that appear to be associated with UT and Saban converging on Hobby Airport last night and leaving this morning. One of today’s departing flights went to the University of Oklahoma airport in Norman OK this morning for a 1-1/2 hour layover (still there as I write this), before continuing on to Cincinnati and then Tuscaloosa. I suspect this is Saban’s plane, but that’s a guess unless we can confirm Saban is recruiting in Cincinnati this afternoon and he returns to Tuscaloosa around 3:30 EST.

    I suspect UT offered Saban the head coaching position last night and he is in the process of making a decision. We should see what it was in the next 2-3 days.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/12/2013 @ 8:28 am

  121. Fascinating stuff, DRJ.

    Comment by JD (a8d68a) — 12/12/2013 @ 8:34 am

  122. I know you know this, JD, but some may not realize Norman is the home of OU and OU football coach Bob Stoops. Saban has talked about his friendship with Bob Stoops (and his family), because Saban was friends with Bob’s father Ron.

    Bob Stoops might be someone Saban would want to talk to if he were thinking about a Big 12 coaching job, or simply as a courtesy call since OU is playing Alabama in the Sugar Bowl, so Saban visiting Norman doesn’t strike me as unusual. However, making a personal trip to Norman strikes me as a sign Saban is seriously considering taking the UT coaching job, unless he already had plans to make a recruiting stop in Norman today.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/12/2013 @ 8:44 am

  123. Interesting stuff, DRJ. You probably heard that a couple of news outlets “leaked” last week that Mack was stepping down, which was then promptly denied by just about everyone who has a business card from the UT Athletic Department. How many times, though, have you seen this scenario: a major announcement is leaked to the media, denied by all involved, then within a week or so it comes to fruition? I think there’s a great chance that you are exactly right.

    Comment by JVW (709bc7) — 12/12/2013 @ 8:49 am

  124. The plane I think Saban is traveling on is still in Norman OK more than an hour after it was scheduled to depart for Cincinnati, and in the past 30 minutes there have been posts on the OU Sooner message boards that Saban will go to Texas. Maybe that’s a coincidence.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/12/2013 @ 9:53 am

  125. Also, CBS in Houston reports Mack is out whether he resigns or is removed. I think this is probably true and it’s not a coincidence that this comes from a Houston source, since the big decisions seem to have been made in Houston last night.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/12/2013 @ 9:56 am

  126. I know the Mack Brown/UT football coach topic isn’t on the radar here but, in a way, it’s a metaphor for Obama and the Republicans.

    UT President Bill Powers is a lawyer and the former Dean of the UT Law School. He is a strong supporter of affirmative action and similar issues that the academic community likes. He is also a friend and strong supporter of Mack Brown. Over the years, Powers has taken the position that he’s the only person who has authority to hire and fire employees at UT-Austin. The UT Board of Regents haven’t all agreed with Powers’ exercise of authority, especially when it comes to things like football coaches, and it’s been clear for the past year that a turf war has developed between the President and the Regents.

    The UT Regents had a lengthy meeting today that allowed Powers to retain his Presidency, but not with a vote of confidence. Rumor has it that the Regents might have voted to remove Powers. My guess is the Regents decided this isn’t a good time to shake up the UT Administration. My guess is also that the Regents want Powers to agree to fire Mack Brown if he doesn’t resign. But these are just my guesses.

    I’m glad to see the Regents clip Powers’ wings a little, just as I wish Congress would clip Obama’s wings by standing up to him and his policies. But I’ve always thought the best defense is a good offense.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/12/2013 @ 4:34 pm

  127. The longer this plays out, the more I think Saban will go to UT.

    Comment by Had (5c1832) — 12/12/2013 @ 4:42 pm

  128. Saban would be a fool not to go to UT. He’s accomplished as much as one man can accomplish, he’s probably not going to have another shot at three straight, and he’s seen the high (ridiculous, really) expectations that Bama fans have for him. And on top of all that, no matter what else he does there he’s always going to be second fiddle to Bear Bryant.

    As I general rule I think successful football coaches should move to a new program every 7-8 years, lest they find themselves in a rut of their own making (like, ahem, Mack Brown).

    Comment by JVW (ce4d07) — 12/12/2013 @ 5:07 pm

  129. I hope you’re right, JVW, but I think decisions like this often come down to what the family wants. It’s hard to pick up and move to a new place when you’ve gotten comfortable, especially later in life.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/12/2013 @ 5:14 pm

  130. Seven years is about the right length for a plague of Biblical proportions. Even I think those hicks in Tuscaloosa deserve a little relief from Ol’ Nick Satan.

    I guess he is scared of Gus…

    War Eagle! Go Auburn!

    Comment by WarEagle82 (b18ccf) — 12/12/2013 @ 5:50 pm

  131. The more I think about it, the more this makes sense.

    Rule of thumb, if a coach or administration says they are staying put, then they are gone within 2 weeks

    Comment by JD (5c1832) — 12/12/2013 @ 5:59 pm

  132. JD– Bill Self.

    Comment by elissa (353b1e) — 12/12/2013 @ 6:10 pm

  133. Selfish

    Comment by JD (5c1832) — 12/12/2013 @ 6:43 pm

  134. So, there’s some sort of university with a football team in Austin? Who knew? It’s hard to keep up with Jucos.

    Comment by Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 12/12/2013 @ 7:10 pm

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