Patterico's Pontifications

12/1/2013

Shocker: Healthcare.gov Not Working

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 1:33 pm



I know, I know. You simply can’t believe it.

And they’re declaring success when they have failed. Another complete shock.

When I try to set up an account, I get stuck on the password creation step: it says each proposed password is invalid even though I am following their rules. I tried 6-7 different passwords, each comporting with their rules, and finally gave up.

83 Responses to “Shocker: Healthcare.gov Not Working”

  1. Ding.

    I’m sorry. Today is Dec. 1. Healthcare.gov is working. Shut up. Thank you.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  2. food stamp is a deeply crappy and incompetent president even with valerie jarrett telling him what to do

    LOSER

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  3. Your password was probably racist.

    Kevin M (536c5d)

  4. The site had already picked a password for you and you didn’t guess it. Keep trying. Maybe your birthday?

    Kevin M (536c5d)

  5. Clearly the site isn’t working for you because you’re a Republican and you’re hell bent on making Obama look bad.

    NaBr (1a916a)

  6. It only works for people getting a subsidy. Otherwise they want you to go to the insurer’s site so that when you see the prices you blame them, not Obamacare.

    Kevin M (536c5d)

  7. 90% of the people can set up an account.

    JD (5c1832)

  8. most of us understand this to be Obama’s own personal incompetence we’re seeing

    but the rest of the world sees this more generally as typical American incompetence

    and I don’t know what to tell them

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  9. #8
    Tell them to go watch a video of US Marines helping typhoon victims in the Phillipines and then they can go **** themselves

    steveg (794291)

  10. A lot of the America is incompetent meme is the result of relentless backstabbing of President Bush by the left.
    Obama doesn’t need to be trashed behind his back… he is a classic case where you just let him be himself and then watch the wheels come off.
    Look no further than how well his speech in Cairo worked out

    steveg (794291)

  11. Leave Barry and his band of whizkids alone. They are doing the absolute best they can. The best they can … click … the bes ….

    glenn (647d76)

  12. Heh, if they’re using the same password creation code that the application I work with does (also a CGI product), you need to completely close out your browser if you fail once. Suspect a cookie issue.

    I refuse to try it though. Refuse. Will. Not. Do. It.

    Dan S (00fc90)

  13. Let me assist… they’ve finally completed repairs on the Obamacare website. If you need to sign up, or would just like to check it out, you can do that by first clicking http://home.roadrunner.com/~pjrpole/ACA.html

    Colonel Haiku (5ba74a)

  14. He said it’s working and it’s not. This is reality, folks, not news. Lying liar who lies, a politician; but I repeat myself.

    htom (412a17)

  15. Racist vent ignoring the fact that Patterico’s experience today is EXACTLY WHAT WAS PROMISED: a better experience than millions of Americans had in October and November…one’s mind boggles at that contemplation…

    in_awe (7c859a)

  16. but the rest of the world sees this more generally as typical American incompetence

    and I don’t know what to tell them

    tell them to declare war on us & see what happens…

    please 😎

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  17. Comment by steveg (794291) — 12/1/2013 @ 2:55 pm

    plus 1… wogs tend to confuse our government with our people.

    our government is schisse, but our people (many of them, anyway) rock.

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  18. 14. …Lying liar who lies, a politician; but I repeat myself.

    Comment by htom (412a17) — 12/1/2013 @ 3:27 pm

    Most politicians are smart enough to know they can’t lie to you about something you can check out yourself. Most politicians are smart enough to try to tell you a new and improved website is working when it’s not.

    Not this one. He thinks he can do Jedi mind tricks. He thinks if he tells you one thing, and you look and see something else, you’ll believe him instead of reality.

    This is from a review of Bob Woodward’s book, The Price of Politics. It’s about the 2011 budget non-negotiations.

    http://wolfsden.yuku.com/topic/7702/Bob-Woodward-Book-Debt-Deal-Collapse-Led–Pure-Fury–Preside#.UpvTr-KYaQk

    Woodward portrays a president who remained a supreme believer in his own powers of persuasion, even as he faltered in efforts to coax congressional leaders in both parties toward compromise. Boehner told Woodward that at one point, when Boehner voiced concern about passing the deal they were working out, the president reached out and touched his forearm.

    “John, I’ve got great confidence in my ability to sway the American people,” Boehner quotes the president as having told him.

    He still does. Two years later the man thinks he’s the world’s best salesman. But he could set up an ice cream stand in Death Valley in July and he couldn’t give it away. By the time he finishes his sales pitch you’re thinking “There’s something wrong with this.”

    The man is delusional. Add that to his other main attributes. Malicious, dishonest, and incompetent.

    Steve57 (4f25e8)

  19. when race card is pulled
    it will be moron that pulls
    Sad fact but it’s true

    Colonel Haiku (6fce70)

  20. “we have met the goal”
    jack be nimble jack be quick
    under limbo stick

    Colonel Haiku (6fce70)

  21. Just let the website eat its waffles.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  22. It’s not just Fox reporting on this POS.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59VTIDjKDZ4

    CNN: ObamaCare Website Crashes During Signup Process

    This is President Tiger Beat’s “Mission Accomplished!” moment.

    Steve57 (4f25e8)

  23. There must be some mistake, she said it would work.
    This wouldn’t be happening if Comrade Obama knew about it.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  24. I’m with Dan @ #12.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  25. President Barack “Shamwow” Obama isn’t worried, though. Once this website is fixed by the end of November (2014) people are going to love Obamacare.

    It’s more than a website, you know, guys. Obamacare health insurance is a great product. You’re going to love this product!

    http://nypost.com/2013/12/01/baby-not-covered-under-obamacare-family-plan/

    …“I couldn’t believe what I was being told,” said the dad from East Quogue, in Suffolk.

    Kelly said he was no fan of the Affordable Care Act, but when he received notice a few weeks ago that his current insurance plan was being canceled, he tried the New York State of Health Web site.

    …Kelly said none of the plans offered out-of-network coverage, which was something he wanted. But even worse, they only covered his three older children, who are 3, 5 and 6.

    When Kelly called a representative, he was told his daughter had to be 2 before she could be covered under a family plan.

    See, under Obamacare your 21 1/2 year old college grad qualifies as a child for insurance purposes and can stay on your plan until he ships out to Quantico for Marine OCS. But not your 1 1/2.

    It’s a great product! Call now, operators are standing by. First 5 callers get a free tax audit.

    Steve57 (4f25e8)

  26. 24. I’m with Dan @ #12.

    Comment by askeptic (2bb434) — 12/1/2013 @ 5:15 pm

    I’d rather be targetted for the knockout game than use this site.

    Steve57 (4f25e8)

  27. President Obama assembled a team of computer superheroes from the Silicon Valley for a surge of digital warfare to make sure “his” Website would work today.

    And it kind of works, maybe. Except sometimes.

    Who’s to blame? Pesky Republicans that are too stupid to tie their shoes.

    And that, my friends, is the entire argument that the left has to offer for this significant failure.

    Obama didn’t nationalize healthcare nor provide affordable insurance for anyone except a select few. He essentially turned the HHS and the IRS into a convoluted HMO.

    But: “Mission Accomplished.” Not in those words, but I think we will be hearing that a lot in next few weeks.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  28. You got to hand it to Obama. He never quits:

    “Who are you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes.”

    AZ Bob (ade845)

  29. htom:

    You are really missing the point. Today is Dec. 1. healthcare.gov works. Get with the program.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  30. would we were all filipinos

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  31. If you don’t believe healthcare.gov is working, just go to CNN. It’s hard to find the story, so here’s the link.

    It’s working because “Republicans are unusually silent.”

    Republicans are so noobs.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  32. Ag80 — maybe it needs more twinkling fairy dust to be able to fly. Or for Tinker Belle to believe in it. The Tea-Bagger-In-Chief’s belief doesn’t seem to be enough.

    htom (412a17)

  33. Bush’s fault it is!

    Yoda (c1890a)

  34. Miss me yet?

    George W. Bush (c1890a)

  35. Look, the guy who said you would not lose your plan if you liked your plan or you would not lose your doctor if you liked your doctor, also said that healthcare.gov will be working today.

    So, it’s working. Ask CNN. The “World-Wide Leader in News.” It’s like “night and day.” I’m just the messenger.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  36. And he honored Rosa Parks today. I think this is a repeat from last year?

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/12/barack-obama-honors-himself-on-rosa-parks-day/

    elissa (295702)

  37. I remember New York’s Governor Nelson Rockfeller said in 1969 that by September 1, 1969 the Long Island Rail Road would be “the finest railroad in the country.”

    So people waited until September 1.

    And then he announced it was now the finest railroad in the country.

    (New York times says actually is was a little bit past Sept 1 that he said that, but I think he said that then too)

    http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0811FF3F5C1A7A93CAA91788D85F478785F9#start

    http://www.nytimes.com/1999/07/30/nyregion/commuting-misery-special-report-long-island-rail-road-busiest-but-far-best.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

    Sammy Finkelman (c720af)

  38. 27. …But: “Mission Accomplished.” Not in those words, but I think we will be hearing that a lot in next few weeks.

    Comment by Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 12/1/2013 @ 5:45 pm

    Now that President Mean Girl’s “Mission Accomplished” moment has come and gone, I’m going to go out on a limb with a couple of predictions.

    Sometime later this month as the deadline for people who for some reason really want to buy insurance through his gobsmackingly stupid website so they can be insured by the first of January, but can’t, draws near we’re going to be witness to his Charlie Sheen “Winning” moment.

    Sometime in February or early March when the end of open enrollment approaches and enrollment is still a trickle we’ll see his Alec Baldwin “c**ks***ing f*gg*t” moment.

    As the 2014 election approaches and it really starts to get through to Prom Queen that he’s about to lose the Senate we’ll have to avert our eyes from from his Miley Cyrus “twerking at the VMAs” moment.

    In mid to late November 2014 we’ll be staring in morbid curiousity as Tiger Beat has his Lyndsay Lohann “breakdown in court” moment.

    Steve57 (4f25e8)

  39. I just don’t get that, elissa. There are MANY good photographs of Rosa Parks that could be used. And the Preezy would still shine by reflected identity political light. But he has to be in the middle of everything.

    Much as I love the idea of Teddy Roosevelt, this comes to mind, courtesy of his, um, unusual daughter:

    “He wants to be the bride at every wedding, the corpse at every funeral, and the baby at every christening.”

    Maybe that is what happens with some of these politicians. I’m starting to think that these folks only need one term of ANYTHING.

    Simon Jester (6f4015)

  40. Simon–You’d think after the mocking and photoshopping caused by the picture of the narcissist in chief looking at JFK’s portrait last week he’d have kaboshed this one—but NOOOO!

    elissa (af177f)

  41. I get stuck on the password creation step: it says each proposed password is invalid even though I am following their rules. I tried 6-7 different passwords, each comporting with their rules, and finally gave up.

    Probably, when it says something like that the user ID must contain a capital or a small letter, it really means a capital AND a small letter.

    Like most bad software, the error messages or instructions are wrong.

    Whenever you see anything there, ask yourself: is this logical? If not, ask yourself, what might be the truth?

    Sammy Finkelman (c720af)

  42. the corpse at every funeral

    Literally, Simon. Here’s a blast from the past:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/12/barack_obama_s_eulogy_to_daniel_inouye_told_us_more_about_the_president.html

    Today We Are Gathered … To Hear More About Me

    President Obama was supposed to eulogize the memory of Sen. Daniel Inouye. Instead he told us about his favorite summer vacation.

    I really do think the man is delusional.

    Steve57 (4f25e8)

  43. Sammy, let’s analyze this for a bit. Patterico is a lawyer. He, by evidence, knows a bit about computers.

    Now, let’s jump to another problem. Obamacare is meant to provide the most poor and disenfranchised the ability to access affordable health care.

    So, if you’re saying that Patterico does not have the facilities to create a log-in, where does that leave those without access to computers?

    Go to a navigator? I guess they can do that, but it seems that is much more difficult than producing an ID to vote.

    It seems Obamacare is designed to prevent people from accessing the health care that it promised to provide.

    I’m thinking I may have found the truth.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  44. Wile E Coyote chimed in, you’re in big trouble,

    narciso (3fec35)

  45. 90% uptime* +

    *not including scheduled maintenance

    +system may not be available during uptime

    —-

    So, down 2.4 hours or 144 minutes a day. In addition to scheduled maintenance. One nine. I suppose that’s better than no nines. It’s not appropriate for mission-critical systems!

    htom (412a17)

  46. steve57: I don’t know if you will be exactly right, but you are right.

    Something will come up. I think it will be the next, most dangerous thing that will sink the economy and hurt the middle class.

    And, he will be there fighting. He never saw it coming, but he will be courageously fighting against that thing he did not see coming and had nothing to do with.

    That is what he does. For the middle class.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  47. If the unstated object of healthcare.gov is to string out the eventual collapse of Obamacare until single-payer is the only choice, then healthcare.gov continues to work perfectly.

    Beldar (8ff56a)

  48. Administration officials, in talking to reporters, were careful not to declare a full-fledged victory. In a report issued Sunday, officials with the Department of Health and Human Services said the next few months would require further work to “improve and enhance the website and continue to improve the consumer experience.” Officials have also said repeatedly that consumers might still encounter difficulties and urged them to use the call center and seek help from specially trained personnel.

    So there.

    Dana (45070c)

  49. I’m just grateful that JEF reads the newspapers so diligently so he can guide the good ship USA as skilfully as he does…

    Gazzer (e6ddf8)

  50. elissa @40, you’d think after all he crap he took for this he’d have known better than to commemorate JFK’s assassination by putting himself in that picture.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-inserts-himself-into-past-president-s-bios-on-white-house-website

    Obama inserts himself into past president’s bios on White House website

    President Obama has inserted himself into history by adding his name to the past president’s bios on the White House website. Some of the greater accomplishments of past president’s now sound like joint effort together with President Obama.

    The mind blowing thing is how he revealed how he really sees himself. From his perspective he wasn’t inserting himself into their bios. He was allowing them to be included in his.

    Obama’s name has popped up in every presidential bio since Coolidge, (except Gerald Ford). According to the NY Post, his “fun facts” added to the bios are about his efforts to “one-up” certain accomplishments of the previous men who have run this country. One example is his use of Facebook, Twitter, Google+ and Linkedin along with other sites as the first president to hold viral gatherings online. This is compared to Coolidge’s accomplishment of making the first public radio address by a president to America.

    He just wasn’t all these men’s equal. His achievements overshadowed all of theirs.

    Although I have to admit I do find it amusing that he allowed Calvin Coolidge into the story of Barack Obama in order to brag about how he’s the most tech savvy President evah.

    At least at least for once, in the case of JFK, he included a picture of the man in his photographic tribute to himself paying respect to lesser beings. JFK is the exception that proves the rule; it would never occur to him that people might want anniversaries of important events or holidays in honor of people to be about somebody else except him. The most important thing isn’t who did what or who died when. The most important thing in his mind is that all of America is aching to know how he how he’s reacting to it. So most of the time he doesn’t even allow a picture of the person being honored by the god-emperor to compete with his wonderfulness. Here’s he honored Neil Armstrong when he passed last year.

    http://thefinereport.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Neil-Armstrong-memorial-photo-of-Obama1.png

    Everybody else is just a bit player in the great epic that is the life of Barack Obama. Sure, other Presidents had their accomplishments here and there. But how many other Presidents slowed the rising of the oceans and healed the sick just by being nominated? Hmm?

    Steve57 (4f25e8)

  51. 41. The password interface has only been done over the history of software about a million times.

    And bugs fixed in one, at least 10 times that number.

    The WH and Urkel are a laughingstock for the remainder of his term.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/12/obama-administration-calls-netanyahu-desperate-and-weak-after-iranian-nuclear-deal/

    That does not mean anything is getting better afore it gets one helluva lot worse.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  52. 46. steve57: I don’t know if you will be exactly right, but you are right.

    I believe the new standard is that if I’m 80% right I can declare I’ve met 100% of my goals and deem it a complete success.

    Something will come up. I think it will be the next, most dangerous thing that will sink the economy and hurt the middle class.

    And, he will be there fighting. He never saw it coming, but he will be courageously fighting against that thing he did not see coming and had nothing to do with.

    That is what he does. For the middle class.

    Comment by Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 12/1/2013 @ 7:01 pm

    Aah, the heady days when I was still solidly in the middle class and Barack Obama fought for me. Unfortunately due to forces completely out of the Preezy’s control, forces that no one could have predicted let alone have dealt with, I fear in a few months I may slip out of the middle class. I don’t blame Obama. There was that tsunami in Japan, instability in the Middle East, an oil spill in the Gulf, a recession that was worse then they thought, the TEA Party.

    No, I don’t blame Obama. I blame Bush.

    Steve57 (4f25e8)

  53. OTOH, as freaking stupid as this Admin is some in DC make them look half-azz normal.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/01/Mitch-McConnell-Time-for-GOP-establishment-to-stand-up-to-conservatives

    Schlemiel personified.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  54. #16: we’ll put a boot in yo’ a55, it’s the American way… 😉

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruNrdmjcNTc

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  55. Like most bad software, the error messages or instructions are wrong.

    Whenever you see anything there, ask yourself: is this logical? If not, ask yourself, what might be the truth?

    funny,that’s what pops in my head when i read your posts, Sam the Sham…

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  56. 47. I believe Mack Daddy never intended anything positive in his current employ, only that he completely ball up Amerikkka.

    He’s a pervert nihilist, sick as sick can be.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  57. 51. …That does not mean anything is getting better afore it gets one helluva lot worse.

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 12/1/2013 @ 7:28 pm

    Anybody up for a bloody little revolution in the Ukraine?

    Anarchy in Kiev: Police cower from chain-wielding protestors and mob hurling petrol bombs as Ukraine teeters on the brink of revolution after 300,000 people take over Independence Square

    Ukraine is on the brink of anarchy and revolution tonight as hundreds of thousands of demonstrators demanded the resignation of pro-Russian authoritarian president Viktor Yanukovych.

    There were deep fears that the popular uprising could spark a bloody crackdown and state of emergency from the frightened authorities.

    ‘A revolution is starting in Ukraine,’ declared opposition leader Oleh Tyagnybok, as a national strike was called for tomorrow in support of early presidential and parliamentary elections.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2516473/Protests-Ukraine-country-teeters-brink-revolution.html#ixzz2mHm1JC7b
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

    Whatever happens, we at least can be certain of one constant. Barack Obama. He will completely misunderstand it as he looks at it through his college freshman Che Guevara colored glasses. He will get publicly pantsed by Putin. AGAIN. And he will lie to the country and declare whatever happens a great victory for his Winnie-the-Pooh inspired diplomacy. And he at least will come to believe it. Perhaps for bonus points he’ll even send out Susan Rice to declare it’s just a misunderstanding over a hateful video and throw some poor schmuk in prison.

    I never thought I’d say this, but Joe Biden was a visionary. He said within six months of his first term inauguration the world would test him. It did,and he failed the test. And it’s been pushing him around ever since. You can’t go around bowing and curtsying to every anti-American dictator and insulting our allies as Obama the super diplomat is insulting Bibi without there being fallout.

    I have the sinking feeling we’re going to reap it soon. Putin invades the Ukraine. Israel strikes Iran. Or maybe a nuclear Iran, followed or perhaps preceded by a nuclear. China and Japan start a little war over the Senkakus. I said there’d be a price to pay for not responding to China’s mini-me the NORKs for sinking the Cheonan, and this ADIZ is it.

    I can not believe this country elected this fool twice. But, yeah, things are going to get a lot worse.

    Steve57 (4f25e8)

  58. You would think that anyone who really wanted to get this done would BUY one of the very many fully debugged and working account/password/authentication web modules that are available for really very little money. Certainly less than $50K.

    But of course they are doing this at cost plus, so who cares how long it takes?

    Kevin M (536c5d)

  59. Steve, I actually expect China to move on Taiwan and no matter what the game plan is, He Who Is Always Right will have to stop and think it through de novo. And decide to do nothing.

    Kevin M (536c5d)

  60. You leave Obama alone! He’s trying to do the right thing.

    Talafel (69d3b6)

  61. On the best day he ever had, Obama would have difficulty hitting the ground with his hat.

    C. S. P. Schofield (e8b801)

  62. “On the best day he ever had, Obama would have difficulty hitting the ground with his hat.”

    C. S. P. Schofield – Obama doesn’t have the common sense or decency God gave a doughnut.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  63. obama-administration-calls-netanyahu-desperate-and-weak-after-iranian-nuclear-deal

    Sickening.

    I’ve been favoring a more isolationist approach from the US towards global affairs, and if America’s deranged president had followed such a strategy, he’d have done no worse than allow the status quo to continue. But instead of doing exactly that, he dredged up a foolish, Neville-Chamberlain-ish treaty that does nothing but plays into Iran’s hands.

    This and other ongoing trends seem to be shadowing sort of a biblical type of forewarning.

    Mark (58ea35)

  64. “Neville-Chamberlain-ish treaty that does nothing but plays into Iran’s hands.”

    Chamberlain at least had the excuse of holding a weaker hand than Obama. Obama has no excuses.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  65. The President does not care about international issues, except the ones he can blame on Bush. No one outside of America votes for him or the Democrats.

    The evidence is clear. Hillary did exactly nothing while Secretary of State. Jughead has done nothing except trying to channel Carter.

    So, Iran gets a no-deal that allows them to keep on keeping on, North Korea is ignored, Russia rules the Ukraine and some kind of Chavez wannabe gets to spread “Bolivarian” socialism with nary a threat. The extra bonus is our second-best ally, Japan, is left out to dry against China without so much as a good luck.

    Of course, our best ally, Israel, gets the opportunity to decide which hateful nation they would like to attack them first so they can retaliate with world-wide condemnation.

    Did I forget Afghanistan, no I did not. It’s oligarch ruler just said screw you United States and all of your soldiers who died here, the Taliban is much better.

    Does anyone want to talk about North America? Why not? Mexico is now nothing more than a nascent democracy ruled by drug thugs and our border is wide open to their, admittedly, capitalist desires to provide a wide range of drugs for everyone at discount prices.

    Notice that I did not mention Thailand.

    Of course, Africa is lost despite all that W. and this nation did to defeat HIV infections and to provide food for the people there.

    I honestly do not know why Canada doesn’t invade to restore order.

    On the plus side, Sandra Fluke gets contraceptives for free. And really, if you think about it, that’s all that matters.

    So, why worry?

    I think President Hillary has the answer.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  66. Funny you should mention that, Kevin. When I mentioned the oil spill in the Gulf I recalled how I could tell from the deer in the headlghts looks on their faces that the geniuses in the Obama administration had no clue there was actually a plan for dealing with it.

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2011-title40-vol28/xml/CFR-2011-title40-vol28-part300.xml

    PART 300—NATIONAL OIL AND HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCES POLLUTION CONTINGENCY PLAN

    All they had to do was dust it off and use it. Instead since they had no idea they just winged it. And since Obama is no good when he’s off the teleprompter that meant they froze.

    I agree that Obama would decide to do nothing. He’s leading from behind again. The USG has instructed US airlines to comply with the Chinese demands when flying through the ADIZ. Complying with Chinese demands in such a pathetic manner makes everyone around their wonder just how worthless a defense pact with the US must be. Including Taiwan, Japan, and the ROK.

    It definitely emboldens China to throw its weight around even more. Not so subtly telling countries in the region to face facts; they’re on their own. And Obama has given them a reason to believe that very thing. The ROK and Japan, by the way, have told their carriers to ignore the ADIZ. If the ROK or Japan have some sort of violent confrontation as a result, I fear the Obama administration will use that as an excuse to do nothing. They’ll ask us to fulfill our part of the mutual defense treaties, and Obama will claim we’re only obligated to do so if they are attacked. And since the cause of the hostilities was the fact their airlines were ignoring the ADIZ it’s not clear who is at fault.

    Well, Obama won’t do anything militarily. He’ll do worse than doing nothing. He’ll try diplomacy.Just like in the case of the Cheonan he’ll say we have to go through the Security Council. Where thought one lecture from him about how he knew what was really in the country he’s afraid to confront militarily, China (no doubt joined by Russia) will pull his skinny arse from the fire again. Yes, he is that stupid. And no they won’t help him save face.

    Our actions in that region have been so pathetic and weak I believe Obama is directly responsible for this Chinese ADIZ. I know I keep harping on the Cheonan but our response to that attack was a disgrace. Obama is massive fool. He actually thought a lecture from him about what was really in China’s best interest they’d actually give him some sort of resolution that would at least be of domestic PR value against the NORKs. They wouldn’t even give him that then. As a result of his meek response to that, as well as his recent humiliating diplomatic debacles, the Chinese have decided to just declare ownership of air space over Japanese territory. Because they are convinced Obama won’t do anything about it. And why shouldn’t they arrive at that conclusion? I’m convinced he’ll back down, too. So are the Japanese, who have been hounding him for at least a strong statement of support for years, and Obama has refused. The ROKs don’t need to be convinced. They watched Obama tuck tail and run back in 2010.

    As an aside, I think this ADIZ and the false imprisonment of that 85 y.o. American tourist Merrill Newman in the DPRK are related. What are the odds that China and the NORKs would just happen to both pick November to embarrass the US without any consultations?

    Because of the foregoing I don’t think the PRC will attack Taiwan. They don’t want to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. They want Taiwan intact for its economic potential. And if Taiwan sees us abandoning Japan or South Korea where our mutual defense treaties were far less shaky than any agreements with Taiwan, they could very well be strong-armed into some sort of anschluss with the mainland.

    Steve57 (4f25e8)

  67. 65. “Neville-Chamberlain-ish treaty that does nothing but plays into Iran’s hands.”

    Chamberlain at least had the excuse of holding a weaker hand than Obama. Obama has no excuses.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/1/2013 @ 8:48 pm

    To compare Obama to Chamberlain is an insult to Chamberlain. One reason you mention above. The other is that Obama runs around calling Ayatollah Khameini the Supreme Leader. Chamberlain may have made a bad deal but he never stooped to calling Hitler Der Fuhrer. At least he understood something about diplomacy, and in diplomatic circles it’s never good to disgrace your country and grovel before your adversary.

    But Obama doesn’t have Chamberlains common decency and good sense. Obama is a weak, pathetic fool. He imagines he’s displaying some sort of sophistication. He actually looks proud of himself, as if he’s thinking to himself that he’s showing everyone how diplomacy is supposed to be done. Indeed, he’s such a fool he thinks spending a few years in Indonesia as a kid provides him with international credibility and worldly sophistication. And he’s proud of that, too.

    In fact what he’s demonstrating is massive weakness. He’s degrading the entire country when he acknowledges Khameini as the Supreme Leader. But what can you expect of this bowing, curtsying lightweight perpetual juvenile. He never thinks about the effect on our allies, if we still have any, and dissidents in Iran and elsewhere who would like nothing more than a pro-western regime change when Obama acknowledges Khameini’s supremacy? When he legitimizes the idea that Khameini is the supreme moral and legal authority in the land? Obama might as well just kick them in the groin.

    I’m going long, but it’s hard not to when I start cataloging the myriad ways the malignant buffoon is harming the US abroad as well as at home. And abroad he’s not just harming the US. He’s harming nations and groups of people we ought to want maintaining trust in this country. Now they can’t. This will take generations to fix.

    I’ve decided Jimmy Carter has regained the title as the worst President ever, though. Not that Obama isn’t a catastrophe in every possible way, even in ways Carter wasn’t. That’s the problem. Obama is so bad we need to come up with a whole new category of horrible just for him. Worst President ever just doesn’t describe this gargantuan load of fail. He’s the worst President ever combined with the worst Prime Minister of Britain plus Vidkun Quisling the collaborationist PM of Norway during the Nazi occupation, for a start. Carter was an awful President but it never occurred to me that the country and our network of alliances couldn’t survive him. I don’t know if we’ll survive three more years of Obama.

    Steve57 (4f25e8)

  68. On the plus side, Sandra Fluke gets contraceptives for free. And really, if you think about it, that’s all that matters.

    That’s not a dilemma for me. I don’t want Sandra Fluke to reproduce. I don’t want any of her elks to reproduce. I don’t want any Obamabot to reproduce. I don’t want to pay to raise their little bastards, and I don’t want to pay to treat their STDs. The pill is not expensive. Condoms are not expensive. It would be nice if their boyfriends would put a couple of bucks on the nightstand as they left to pay for it — I do resent a little paying for someone else getting his rocks off — but “cast your bread upon the waters” and like that, you know. If we could get them to get their tubes ligated, and their vesicles tomied, that would be worth the money too. Just think, if only Obama’s mom had done it, if only.

    nk (dbc370)

  69. I’m so naive.

    With all this protected sex nonsense, we don’t have enough AIDS or hepatitis. So let’s reinfect the blood supply. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/1/with-new-hiv-research-fda-may-let-gay-men-donate-b/

    If there’s a way to **** America, progressives will find it.

    nk (dbc370)

  70. One more foreign policy oriented comment. Then I’ll explain why it’s not O/T.

    If you don’t read the inestimable Richard Fernandez at The Belmont Club then you can’t truly say you know what’s going on in the world. This post deserves to be read in its entirety as it goes on to analyze the tensions between China and its neighbors that we see unfolding and not just concerning the recently announced ADIZ.

    http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2013/11/30/carry-a-big-stick-and-mumble-to-yourself/

    Carry a Small Stick and Mumble to Yourself

    …The Daily Beast noted that the “Kremlin cheated on a nuclear pact it signed with the United States, the U.S. government believes—and Secretary Kerry was briefed on the violations almost a year ago.” He was angered not so much by the violation, as by the circumstance that it made further deals with the cheating Kremlin harder to achieve.

    Inside the meeting, Kerry expressed anger and frustration about the Russian cheating and warned that if the violations became widely known, future efforts to convince the Senate to ratify arms control treaties would be harmed. …

    So this comment appears to be about foreign policy but it’s not. It’s about the Obama administration. On the earlier healthcare.gov thread in comment #67 I noted that on October 25 Jeffery Zients testified that his number one item on his “punch list” was to resolve issues with the 834 forms. Unless that is working properly people who think they’ve signed up for insurance really haven’t. Yesterday the Obama administration announced the site is fixed. They’ve met all their goals. Yet, curiously, Zients no. 1 priority item remains unresolved.

    https://patterico.com/2013/11/30/healthcare-gov/#comments

    Guess what? That was Zients’ top priority when he talked to the WaPo on the same day he testified before Congress.

    At the top of those punch list, Zients says, are issues with 834 files, the data that insurance plans get when someone uses HealthCare.gov to enroll in their health insurance plan. Many report that those forms are coming out garbled, with inaccurate information about who has signed up.

    “It is at the top of the punch list and will get punched out as fast as it can be done,” Zients says. He did not specify any of the other items on the list.

    SPQR notes in #70 this is no doubt due to political interference. Indeed it is. The whole point of “tech surge” was to trick the American public into thinking the site is working. Not to make it work. Just like the whole point of Obamacare was never to provide a single person with health care. Just to create a massive new program that will suck the life out of the economy.

    Most people aren’t aware that those “push to walk” buttons at signal lights don’t actually do anything. The signals are timed in urban areas so it would defeat the purpose to let pedestrians trying to cross the street muck up the traffic flow the engineers have designed. They’re just there to give people something to do while they’re waiting to cross.

    That’s the point of Healthcare.gov. It’s just there to give the monkeys something to play with while Obama comes up with his next pack of lies and demands on the GOP to give him more money. He just wants you to have a functional-appearing site to fool you. building the payment system and the fixing 834 problems can wait until last.

    That’s how this administration rolls. That’s why the treaties he and John F’n Kerry negotiate aren’t designed to work. They’re just designed to exist, like Healthcare.gov. Tiger Beat doesn’t want a non-nuclear Iran. But he wants them to sign a treaty to fool us and Israel while they build a bomb.

    Chuck Hagel gave away the game during his confirmation hearings when he said he supported the President’s policy of containment vis a vis a nuclear Iran.

    http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/02/01/hagel-backtracks-on-support-of-iran-policy-of-%E2%80%98containment%E2%80%99-at-confirmation-hearing-video/

    Which led to this exchange:

    “I’ve just been handed a note that I misspoke and said I supported the president’s position on ‘containment,’” Hagel went on to say. “If I said that, I meant to say that obviously—his position on containment—we don’t have a position on containment.”

    U.S. Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI) then intervened, saying, “Just to make sure your correction is clear, we do have a position on containment—which is we do not favor containment.”

    Hagel was just reading from the wrong page of the script. After it becomes clear we don’t intend to stop Iran from getting nukes, then the Obama administration intends to lie and say it will contain Iran.

    Just like the Obama administration had it’s lie about how you’ll like your new plan better already in their hip pocket while they were lying to us about how you could keep your plan if like it.

    Steve57 (4f25e8)

  71. Just like me Five-Year Plan, a great socialist success!

    Joe Stalin (be0117)

  72. Iran, Iran, Iran, all day long! Bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb Iran! Axis of Evil — Iran, Iraq, and North Korea! What good has Iran seen from America? From the West, generally? For Iran to give up its nuclear program, for any momentary interest (that’s “foodstamp”, happyfeet), would be stupid. Nuclear weapons are the only way it will get the boot off its neck and its face out of the mud. Only a “foodstamp President” would not know this.

    nk (dbc370)

  73. 56. Oh, we have moved on. Next up: stealth endorsements of Party favorites. Astroturf donations thru third party PACs to launder big donors money.

    NSA recorded conversations and web histories, late night hosts slandering adolescents of candidates, nude and compromising photos, burglaries and charges of pedophilia with bathtub photos of infants,.., and last but not least, plutonium poisonings.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  74. nk @73, “food stamp” does understand that. His preacher explained all that to him in those sermons Prom Queen lied about not attending over 20 years. We’re the problem. That’s why he made the deal that he did. If we’re nice to Iran, then they won’t be our enemy. Which is why he doesn’t care if they go nuke. In fact, the weaker the deal, the nicer we are, the less likely they’ll use it.

    As far as them seeing not good from the West, what good have we seen from Iran? History isn’t a one way street. You should understand that, nk.

    Steve57 (4f25e8)

  75. Comment by Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 12/1/2013 @ 6:48 pm

    So, if you’re saying that Patterico does not have the facilities to create a log-in, where does that leave those without access to computers?

    They did think about that a little – not enough – and so came up withe these alternatives: places to meet people to do the enrolling (navigators); phone and mail. Then they didscoverd they really needed alternatives but they weren’t substitutes.

    They probably greatly underestimated the number of people who are not sufficiently cimputer literate – even though we are about 20 years into the advent of the world wide web.

    The problem with the User-ID is a real one, but apparently about 85% or more of the people manage to get around it. They just ignore the instructions.

    Go to a navigator?

    New York’s website doesn’t have log-in problems but the list of navigators is all wrong – most of those places have nothing to do with it, and were public or semi-public places where people contracted as navigators said they could meet people.

    Other navigators in other states knock on doors.

    I guess they can do that, but it seems that is much more difficult than producing an ID to vote.

    Oh, they’ve made registering much, much more difficult than registering to vote.

    If someone has a problem, customer service is no help – there’s no way to straighten it out. The customer service number lives up to its acronym: 1-800-F1….

    It seems Obamacare is designed to prevent people from accessing the health care that it promised to provide.

    That can’t be the case. You don’t have to deliberately develop a bug. All you need is inexperience.

    Sammy Finkelman (c720af)

  76. 71. Comment by Steve57 (4f25e8) — 12/2/2013 @ 7:51 am

    The whole point of “tech surge” was to trick the American public into thinking the site is working. Not to make it work. </i.

    It looks a lot like that.

    Because they focused on the front end, the user experience.

    Sammy Finkelman (c720af)

  77. Most people aren’t aware that those “push to walk” buttons at signal lights don’t actually do anything.

    I think they used to work.

    Of course if they do nothing people discover that pretty soon.

    That’s why the treaties he and John F’n Kerry negotiate aren’t designed to work. They’re just designed to exist, like Healthcare.gov.

    They have a little bit of a rationalization – the idea that with time, maybe Rouhani will get more powerful and be able to agree to something.

    All he’s doing is buying time, and increasing the risk that it will end in military action.

    Tiger Beat doesn’t want a non-nuclear Iran. But he wants them to sign a treaty to fool us and Israel while they build a bomb.

    No, he wants to have his cake and eat it too. No nuclear Iran and no military action, and no even non-military conflict with Iran.

    Just like the Obama administration had it’s lie about how you’ll like your new plan better already in their hip pocket while they were lying to us about how you could keep your plan if like it.

    Somebody seems to have tested out sellinbg points, without carting if it was true or not. They thought (they really did think so) many people will be satisfied with their newe policies) and others have no control over their policies because they get it from their employer, ad the percentage of people affected is so small they can ignore them.

    To Obama “nobody” = 2# or 3%

    Sammy Finkelman (c720af)

  78. Tiger Beat doesn’t want a non-nuclear Iran. But he wants them to sign a treaty to fool us and Israel while they build a bomb.

    No, he wants to have his cake and eat it too. No nuclear Iran and no military action, and no even non-military conflict with Iran.

    Again you’re ignoring reality, Sammy. Hagel didn’t come up with the Obama administration’s containment policy out of thin air when he testified that he supported it at his confirmation hearing. It existed. It just wasn’t ready to be rolled out. And you can’t have a policy on containment unless Iran has nukes.

    That’s what the exchange between Hagel and Levin so revealing. Hagel had to backtrack and deny the Obama administration has a containment policy already planned out. It’s a pure PR strategy, but it’s already planned out. And Hagel was made aware of it. That’s where he thought he screwed up; that he let the cat out of the bag. So he had to deny it exists.

    “I’ve just been handed a note that I misspoke and said I supported the president’s position on ‘containment,’” Hagel went on to say. “If I said that, I meant to say that obviously—his position on containment—we don’t have a position on containment.”

    Oh no, Mr. and Mrs. Joe Sixpack, there’s no containment policy. Pretend I didn’t say that.

    Then Levin had to coach him as to how he was supposed to answer the question.

    U.S. Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI) then intervened, saying, “Just to make sure your correction is clear, we do have a position on containment—which is we do not favor containment.”

    Hagel just got mixed up as to when he was supposed to announce his support for Obama’s containment policy. That’s supposed to be a few months from now.

    Steve57 (4f25e8)

  79. The Potemkin Web Site!

    If they’re smart they’re developing another web site with a proper back end that’s been thoroughly tested to replace this one. With the way they’re going about it, I don’t think they’ll ever be able to salvage the system currently in use.

    Huitzilincuatec (f7d5ba)

  80. 79. They can’t have a containment policy, because anything close might mean Israel – maybe even with Saudi help – might attack – and they get the blocking of the Straits of Hormuz and all of that, and they don’t want that.

    So that’s why it’s ruled out. Maybe the only reason, but it’s ruled out. It can’t be an offcicial policy.

    Their policy dilemmas are solved with huge dosages of wishful thinking and hope.

    The big differences between the United states and Israel right now is that the United States is prepared to tolerate Iran being close to a nuclear bomb, but Israel isn’t really prepared to see Iran get any closer than when the ability to stop them disappears. This agreement is supposed to freezed the situation – and it may, but only at the cost of easing the pressure sanctions create. Netanyahu points put it’s not the sanctions that count, but the effect of the sanctions. Even if the run-up to a bomb is indeed a week or two longer than it would be, the economic pain they would have to tolerate is set back.

    Of course in the meantime they’ve warned Israel and others that the U.S. controls the airspace near Iran.

    But I don’t think they have any policy besides “one day at a time.”

    Sammy Finkelman (c720af)

  81. what good have we seen from Iran?

    Persian women. The reason Alexander invaded Persia. Spartan women are more beautiful, the most beautiful in the world actually, but he didn’t dare venture there.

    nk (dbc370)

  82. 59. Comment by Kevin M (536c5d) — 12/1/2013 @ 8:03 pm

    You would think that anyone who really wanted to get this done would BUY one of the very many fully debugged and working account/password/authentication web modules that are available for really very little money. Certainly less than $50K.

    Do they even know they exist??

    And then, the objection would be that a commercial application doesn’t meet government specifications – for security for instance.

    But of course they are doing this at cost plus, so who cares how long it takes?

    They seem to have favored some companies, also.

    Probably thinking this stuff is so routine, you can use it for patronage.

    Sammy Finkelman (3bb3ae)


Powered by WordPress.

Page loaded in: 0.1066 secs.