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11/19/2013

Were “Clueless” Actress Brittany Murphy and Her Husband Poisoned? The Bizarre Connections Between This Story and Governmental Retaliation Against A Homeland Security Whistleblower

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:56 am



A new report says that “Clueless” actress Brittany Murphy and her husband may have been poisoned. Why should you care? Because of the bizarre interface of this story with overbearing governmental conduct targeting a Homeland Security whistleblower.

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Above: Brittany Murphy

From the New York Daily News:

New toxicology results paid for by the father of Brittany Murphy claim that the “Clueless” actress may have been poisoned before her death.

The independent analysis ordered by dad Angelo Bertolotti found high levels of toxic metals, including Barium, which is used in some rat poisons, in hair that reportedly belonged to Murphy, Bertolotti claimed Monday.

Here is a local Los Angeles news report. I am placing it on a separate page because it auto-starts. Fairly warned be thee, say I.

Now hold onto your hats, because this is about to get really weird. I looked into the story of the deaths of Brittany Murphy and her husband months ago, because of its interface with the government’s bizarre and overbearing treatment of a Homeland Security whistleblower: Julia Davis, the woman quoted in the video clip above.

Since becoming a whistleblower, Davis has been the subject of IRS inquiries as well as a series of overbearing investigations for petty offenses. I have spent hours reviewing court documents from a lawsuit filed by Davis, watching a documentary about Davis’s story, listening to interviews with Davis, and corresponding with her. It is a story with four dead bodies, of which Murphy and her husband are only two. Let me try to summarize it as succinctly as possible.

Julia Davis is a Ukranian-born woman who worked for Homeland Security. Years ago, she revealed how two dozen people from countries suspected of terrorism had crossed the border en masse one holiday weekend, and had not been subjected to proper procedures to identify them despite an internal warning that Al Qaeda had planned to use that weekend to send terrorists across the border. She wrote Washington D.C. about the failures and the incident made news. (Davis was also butting heads with DHS over a complaint of sexual harassment — a complaint that was found by an administrative law judge to be well founded.) Davis’s supportive boss was soon replaced by someone seemingly out to target her, and she became the subject of literally dozens of administrative (and ultimately criminal) investigations designed to discredit her.

The investigations ultimately resulted in the federal government raiding her desert home with a Blackhawk helicopter and about two dozen armed federal agents — all to investigate an unfounded claim that Davis and her husband had committed marriage fraud years earlier. (She and her husband were later found factually innocent of this charge.) Davis and her husband were surveilled extensively before the execution of the warrant, including with a single engine plane. I have seen video from the deposition of the ICE agent admitting this. But the Blackhawk helicopter raid takes the cake. Black helicopters are such a staple of anti-government conspiracy theory that you might be reaching for the tinfoil hats — except that the raid was filmed by Davis’s neighbor, and you can watch it on her documentary. The young man who filmed the raid soon died under circumstances that have never been explained. That’s one dead body.

During the raid, agents allegedly held Davis’s father outside in the desert heat and prevented him from accessing heart medication. He suffered a heart attack and died within months from related complications. That’s two dead bodies.

Where does Brittany Murphy fit into all this? Well, among the complaints pushed by the DHS boss who was hounding Davis was that Davis had been helping her husband make a movie, in violation of regulations. Davis’s boss cited Brittany Murphy as a source of these allegations. Murphy, through her attorney, denied any recollection of this.

Soon Murphy and her husband were acting in a manner that many believed was paranoid. They told friends they were being followed. This is an excerpt from a Hollywood Reporter article written after the deaths of Murphy and her husband Simon Monjack:

I first met Simon shortly after their marriage, when Brittany brought him to our house in Encino for Father’s Day 2007. Simon led the conversation, played piano and went outside to smoke a cigar, which Brittany hurried to light. Simon told us they had to take extreme security precautions because they were under surveillance by helicopters and their phone was bugged. He said he had hired a private eye who gave Simon names of family and friends who cheated, stole from them or sold information to the tabloids.

Here’s the thing, though: Murphy and Monjack were, in fact, under government investigation — for marriage fraud, the same charge that the feds had pursued with respect to Julia Davis and her husband. Davis sent a FOIA request to the government about this investigation, and was given a sheaf of documents including these, which I don’t believe have been published anywhere else:

DHS MARRIAGE FRAUD AGAINST BRITTANY MURPHY AND SIMON MONJACK-PAGE2

DHS MARRIAGE FRAUD AGAINST BRITTANY MURPHY AND SIMON MONJACK-PAGE1

Murphy died first, then Monjack — both of pneumonia and anemia.

That’s four dead bodies.

Murphy’s father was convinced that her death was not accidental, and has engaged in a crusade to show that she may have been poisoned. And now, it seems, he may have uncovered evidence of exactly that.

It’s very, very hard to believe that anyone would go to such lengths over something this trivial, but four dead bodies surrounding this whistleblower is a lot, and three of the deaths are unexplained. (The fourth, Davis’s father, is arguably directly the result of government callousness.) I can’t say that there is any foul play, of course. But it’s a hell of a story, isn’t it?

More background reading at the Daily Mail.

152 Responses to “Were “Clueless” Actress Brittany Murphy and Her Husband Poisoned? The Bizarre Connections Between This Story and Governmental Retaliation Against A Homeland Security Whistleblower”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (9c670f)

  2. it never made any sense how they died at all

    she was such a doll

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  3. Well that’s f—ing weird.

    I really liked Brittany Murphy’s acting, especially in Eight Mile. Her death affected me, even on an existential philosophy level.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  4. John Banner is the perfect poster boy for any potential whistle blower.

    When the hell are the black robes gonna do their sworn duty and compel the State to heel?

    We are about to hear a freaking ton about “profiles in courage” this week. Why does such have to be merely historical footnote and not current reality? We got no shot unless and until the tenured Judiciary grows a pair and takes on real power.

    Ed from SFV (091806)

  5. When the husband died soon after, I said…this is weird.

    I’m beginning to think we live under a smiley face tyranny.

    Patricia (be0117)

  6. A Blackhawk helicopter and a two dozen agents to investigate marriage fraud?!?

    And the person who documented it (so we wouldn’t otherwise think it was nonsense) died?!?

    Pardon me, but I cannot begin to understand why marriage fraud would require such attention.
    Heck, nobody sent a scooter and two teens with pea shooters to obtain Obama’s birth certificate.
    can anybody suggest a rational explanation???

    Thinking out loud here in stuff I know nothing about, wouldn’t it have just been easier to do away with Julia Davis? In what way for what possible reason is someone trying to manipulate her and send a message to someone instead?

    No autopsy results for a young person who died a mysterious death?

    Are you a little bit scared about even bringing attention to this P? Seriously.

    Sounds like there should be a conference of all of the top spy and conspiracy novelists +/- some other knowledgeable types to brainstorm about this.

    And this happened under Bush?!?!

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  7. A movie screenplay for sure. In the right hands, a Hollywood Blockbuster. “Based on actual events”, even. But wait until O’Bumbles is long out of office, is my advice.

    dfbaskwill (ca54bb)

  8. Without doing research into it, not sure how many illnesses cause both pneumonia and anemia in otherwise young healthy people.

    How did this Ukrainian-born DHS worker know about the incident to begin with??

    Too bizarre.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  9. This makes Three Days of the Condor sound tame.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  10. Jimmy Two-Times has made an appearance.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  11. MD in Philly, you’re naive if you think Bush is a good guy (I was similarly naive). Also, the President has only limited power.

    The surveillance state is running out of control and the United States is becoming a police state — the most powerful the world has ever known. It is probably more to do with the growth of technology than anything else. I believe it is an unstoppable trend occurring around the world but more in the US due to its power, wealth, and technological prowess.

    I don’t think there’s any stopping it.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  12. More like something out of Scandal, which they set in a alt reality GOP presidency, to obscure the point.

    narciso (3fec35)

  13. When the hell are the black robes gonna do their sworn duty and compel the State to heel?

    We are about to hear a freaking ton about “profiles in courage” this week. Why does such have to be merely historical footnote and not current reality? We got no shot unless and until the tenured Judiciary grows a pair and takes on real power.

    Yes, as I recall, commenting anonymously about courage and relying on magistrates is how the American Revolution and others were likewise one. It’s a time-tested and proven plan to overcome tyranny the world over.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  14. *won

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  15. And don’t forget this raid by DHS on an investigative reporter’s home in Maryland back in August.

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/25/exclusive-feds-confiscate-investigative-reporters-confidential-files-during-raid/

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  16. Did any of these allegations involve a Clinton?

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  17. The obvious suspect for ingested, cumulative poisoning is a household member. Who did the cooking at Murphy’s and Monjack’s house?

    nk (dbc370)

  18. Transparency at 3;15,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WzE3naHcq4

    narciso (3fec35)

  19. It’s very, very hard to believe that anyone would go to such lengths over something this trivial

    Then it isn’t something that trivial, and it also isn’t anything Julia Davis had a clue about. It’s not the original case she whistleblew, because that’s years ago and taken care of.

    It probably involves large scale corruption at DHS.

    Murphy and her husband might have been killed because their true testimony would show Julia Davis’s boss to have falsely concocted a complaint that she never made, or said something in some interview that she never said. Her husband would be a witness, too.

    This was the thing that started the ball rolling, anmd this was the danger to her boss and could lesd to otehr people.

    Numerous red herrings have been scattered about.

    The warning about terrorism may have been a red herring, and that wasn’t what the smuggling operation was all about.

    The black helicopters may have been used on purpose in the Julia Davis raid (when did that happen?) just to make the whole story unbelievable.

    Perhaps the man who filmed her was killed because his true testimony would back-up the idea there really was a raid – he could vouch for the film and get it introduced into evidence – and he might know something else too about what happened during the raid – and one person died in that raid (albeit from a heart attack)

    I wouldn’t trust the toxicology report that Angelo Bertolotti got. That may have a false cause of death. The independent lab may be on the take too.

    Very important – check the record of that lab, and check it with regard to cases 10 to 15 years old. And find out how Angelo Bertolotti selected them.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/11/19/the-morning-plum-heres-why-dems-should-stick-with-obamacare/

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  20. That link is to something abouyt Obamacare. An article claiming the news isn’t so bad. Only haldfhe people think it is doomed to fail and Democrats think it has abetter than even chance of working out.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  21. My eyebrows headed for my hairline when I read that both Murphy and her husband died of pneumonia and anemia. Really? If there was no autopsy, the two of them need to be exhumed (I know that’s horribly upsetting to families and friends, but still) and examined. If they were autopsied, I think the report needs a second look.

    Elderly people might die, close together, of pneumonia and anemia. Young people? I’m not coming up with any disease off the top of my head.

    Dianna (b7aa4f)

  22. Re: #4, #13 — I had a friend read this thread. Her take?

    “It’s adorable that someone still believes in checks and balances like we were taught in third grade.”

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  23. So who are these suspected AQ, most like OTM, how was that never the issues, rhetorical question,

    narciso (3fec35)

  24. That earlier bit was from Guy Benson’s twitter feed;

    narciso (3fec35)

  25. Simon told us they had to take extreme security precautions because they were under surveillance by helicopters and their phone was bugged. He said he had hired a private eye who gave Simon names of family and friends who cheated, stole from them or sold information to the tabloids.

    And who is to say that private eye told him the truth? The private eye might have had other, more important clients.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  26. Davis’s boss cited Brittany Murphy as a source of these allegations. Murphy, through her attorney, denied any recollection of this.

    There’s a motive for murder.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  27. Heck of a bit of news there at #18, narciso.
    Still unclear how much is incompetence and how much Cloward-Piven if you ask me, or what combo.

    Meanwhile, word is of widespread corruption in employment numbers from census workers prior to 2012 election. MSM calls it tin hat crowd.

    And what happened to all of those folk who got into the country illegally? What they up to?

    Sometimes it seems we are in the midst of a political To Serve Man.

    Ag80 2016
    Because it can’t come soon enough.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  28. Well one consider the incident at the Quahog (sic)
    dam, or the cell surrounding the Tsarnaev’s

    narciso (3fec35)

  29. First, this is an excellent post. Thank you for taking the time to write it.

    Second, this needs to be investigated because it spans two Presidencies from different parties, and thus suggests significant institutionalized abuse. I would have doubted this could happen before Fast & Furious, the NSA surveillance reports, the IRS targeting of the Tea Party, and other scandals. But now I know there are more than a few people working in the federal bureaucracy who are all too willing to engage in immoral and illegal acts that target Americans. Given that framework as well as the terrorism link, what’s four more Americans?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  30. Brittany Murphy and her husband may have been poisoned

    More likely, they were infected by a rare bacteria that few people have immunity too.

    They were not poisoned by any kind of metal (and is barium a real poison and was it found in high enouygh quantities?) any more than President Zachary Taylor was in 1850 (he was infected with cholera at a time when only people who closely followed developments in England, like some southerners did) understood how cholera was
    spread. Few people understood or accepted the germ theory of disease.

    For some reason (I don’t know where this idea came from) the idea was about that Zachary Taylor was poisoned by arsenic, instead of the more obvious cholera bacteria. These rumors date to the time of his death. In 1991, his body was exhumed – and – no arsenic.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1991/06/27/us/verdict-in-12th-president-was-not-assassinated.html?ref=zacharytaylor17841850

    But that doesn’t mean he wasn’t poisoned. In fact, it is known how something was given to him to drink.

    Zachary Taylor would have vetoed the Compromise of 1850.

    Jim Henson of the muppets may have been killed the same way in 1990 – by being given an infection. Harry Reasoner too, maybe.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  31. I’m a little shocked to see there is some actual substance to Davis’ claims. I read last night, elsewhere, of the heavy metal poisoning evidence with eager attention, as I had long thought the circumstances of Murphy’s death and her husband’s shortly after, of the same causes was suspicious enough to be, well, suspicious.

    So, I immediately suspected Davis when I read the new report, considering the surface outlandishness of her story, thinking she might be some kind of nut – or thought perhaps there was some other close relative or friend interested in an estate or revenge or both.*

    Brittany Murphy? RAMEN GIRL? Killed by black-helicopter flying, soopersekrit government blackops by poison? For maybe helping along a hollywood screenplay? Ladies and gentlemen of the supposed jury, it.does.not.make. sense. And yet, if they really did those things to Davis, for those reasons…

    I really don’t have the resistance to the idea I might have once had, though. Not after the other unlikely evil things that have been done to keep pig troughs of money and four-legs power flowing to my noble government protectors.

    *(People are poisoned by accident, of course, but the little pop-culture knowledge I have of it as murder-method, is as a womanish, personal crime by unbalanced persons close to the victims.)

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  32. Sorry, must have had some Family Guy debris;

    http://www.gazettenet.com/home/6238938-95/fbi-state-police-investigate-trespassing-at-quabbin-reservoir

    the Saudi lad, Al Harbi whose paper’s weren’t in order, comes to mind

    narciso (3fec35)

  33. “four-legs bad” power, I meant to say.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  34. Sammy, educate us, tell us the name of the bacteria that causes pneumonia and anemia in healthy young people and is contagious but has an incubation period of months.

    With the apparent roguishness of at least some parts of the CIA working against Bush, it is feasible that such things could be happening without the knowledge of the CIC.

    narciso, not sure if we are in agreement or looking at things a bit differently. In one way, if there was wholesale corruption allowing people into the country, etc., I would think a lot worse could have been done than what we have seen, almost like the Tsarnaev’s and such are false flags, making us think that things aren’t that bad, relatively speaking, while something massive is underway.

    IDK.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  35. Well we know Feith’s replacement as Defense secretary, Islam, had a dodgy CV and even more suspect judgement this Elibiary chap with the Khomeini fixation, at DHS.

    narciso (3fec35)

  36. Literally ANYTHING is possible these days… nothing would surprise me.

    Colonel Haiku (0e505e)

  37. there are many dots, that are not strung together, MD, perhaps out of bureaucratic inertia, or other factors,

    narciso (3fec35)

  38. Some one in or protected by government acting stupidly?

    Can that even happen?

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  39. Clueless government at work in the ‘responsive’ Local setting:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-19/eminent-domain-bailout-comes-new-jersey

    Remember that $100 Billion Affordable Home Mortgage Act(sic), practically none of which was spent directly on homeowners in foreclosure?

    Just begging to be spent, Detroit has already received a hefty stipend.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  40. Maybe Obama has got the bacteria that Sammy discovered which got Brittany and her husband. That would explain a lot.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  41. and they would’ve gotten away with it too if it weren’t for you meddling kids

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  42. Daleyrocks: He did seem listless this morning.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  43. 34. Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/19/2013 @ 10:28 am

    34.Sammy, educate us, tell us the name of the bacteria that causes pneumonia and anemia in healthy young people and is contagious but has an incubation period of months.

    Oh, they would have each had to have been infected separately. (although the first time Simon Monjack, her husband, said he had recently suffered a seizure, so maybe they tried something twice with him. A spike in body temperature, which can be caused by an infection, can cause a seizure..)

    The deaths were also was attributed to the mold, although that doesn’t seem to pan out.

    It is also said the drugs she was given may have contributed to her death (with no further explanation in the article)

    Anyway, I would mostly ignore the anemia (possibly caused by treatment and posisbly not that serious) and just concentrate on the pneumonia.

    It would need to be something which would not be diagnosed correctly, and where the usual treatments didn’t work.

    So what you’d look for maybe is methicillin-resistant staph aureus, which could be acquired from many hospital labs. Rarely present outside hospitals, but deadly, and the specific organism is almost never tested for, unless maybe an epidemic is suspected, and a test takes a couple of days.

    It says here:

    http://www.webmd.com/lung/tc/pneumonia-cause

    In most cases, the specific organism (such as bacteria or virus) cannot be identified even with testing.1 When an organism is identified, it is usually the bacteria Streptococcus pneumoniae.2

    With the apparent roguishness of at least some parts of the CIA working against Bush, it is feasible that such things could be happening without the knowledge of the CIC.

    This would have had nothing to do with the CIA, but rather corrupt people in Homeland Security with links to a Mexican drug gang which had links to some doctor(s) too. There was the Mexican drug gang leader who had plastic surgery, only he died.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  44. 26. “There’s a motive for murder.”

    I am such a naïf. That would have never occurred to me.

    Like walking black down the street.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  45. If this was what was done, the murderers would have had to try several different infectious organisms from time to time until they were successful in killing them.

    So they would have had to have somebody in regular contact with them, and a means to deliver it that wouldn’t risk the person transmitting the disease.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  46. I’ll have to go look it up, but I seem to remember Murphy’s husband, who was traveling with Murphy at the time, having some kind of uncharacteristic meltdown on an airline flight not very long before her death.

    I seem to remember some buzz about mold in their home. Which, as it happens, is the same home Britney Spears went nutso in.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  47. At least Nixon had the good grace to actually propose putting the uniformed Secret Service in comic-opera uniforms for all to see.

    It is much more worrisome that the Apparat has, on its own initiative, set about to establish the parameters of a police-state, one that seems to rival the Stasi in its encompass. Many, at the time of the initiation of the War on Drugs, warned of what the consequences might be….
    they seem to have been closer to the mark than anyone could have thought.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  48. It’s like a car wreck;

    http://hotair.com/archives/2013/11/19/cms-tech-officer-roughly-30-40-of-the-obamacare-exchange-system-still-needs-to-be-built-including-the-payment-system/

    Carrillo Sifuentes, the lord of the skies, chose one of those off label clinics, and went ‘Norwegian blue’

    narciso (3fec35)

  49. Yes, he did become ill on a plane. “Incoherent” was a descriptor used. Here’s a link, randomly grabbed http://www.popeater.com/2009/11/29/brittany-murphys-husband-hospital/

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  50. Sammy:

    It is also said the drugs she was given may have contributed to her death (with no further explanation in the article)

    The coroner’s report said she had drugs in her system that were consistent with the things you would take to treat a cold or respiratory infection.

    Anyway, I would mostly ignore the anemia (possibly caused by treatment and posisbly not that serious) and just concentrate on the pneumonia.

    I think that’s a mistake. Pneumonia can be a complication of many medical problems but anemia is more unusual, especially in a young and otherwise healthy person. I would look at things that could cause that.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  51. Stopping Brittany Murphy and Simon Monjack from testifying in some kind of an inquiry is a motive if what Julia Davis’s boss, or whoever is really responsible, did to start the investigation was very egregiously fraudulant, and this is the tip of the iceberg, and many people are involved, and they are guilty of complicity in some form in one or more other deaths already.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  52. Here’s a Huffpo link about the mold. Apparently Brittany’s mother (who moved into the home with her son-in-law after her daughters death) pursued a claim against the builders of the house.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/19/brittany-murphy-actress-killed-by-toxic-mold-says-mother_n_1157795.html

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  53. Sarahw,

    That’s interesting about the mold. This report states the coroner eliminated mold as a possibility but it also says the coroner wanted to inspect the house for mold but that request was denied by Murphy’s mother, so maybe we can’t definitely rule out mold.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  54. Sorry to cross-post. We were thinking on the same lines.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  55. Sammy may have been abducted by aliens and had his verbal centers infected with an engineered diarrhea virus. Or perhaps he’s being paid to spread desinformatsya wherever certain stories pop up. What absolutely cannot be the case is that his ravings are honest idiocy.

    phunctor (adcb7c)

  56. They did make a big deal about her purported “anorexia” and restrictive dieting. I could see how an abused body, a run-down immune system coupled with iron-poor diet and iron deficiency anemia contributing to a young woman’s demise from respiratory illness. B

    But her husband, a young male, too? Has there been any description t of the type of anemia either or both had?

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  57. At first her husband and her mother attributed Brittany Murphy’s death to a congenital heart murmur, which had been diagnosed in her teens, and also said that she’d been suffering from laryngitis and flu-like symptoms in the days before her death.

    http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20337389,00.html

    But the cornerer said multiple drug intoxication, pneumonia and “iron deficiency anemia” with pneumonia as the primary cause of death, and drugs and anemia as contributing factors.

    http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20341643,00.html

    Later, after Simon died, Brittany Murphy’s mother was attributing it to the mold. But that idea comes from lawyers, because she sued the builders of the house, and it’s a cause of death the builders could be responsible for maybe.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  58. too many coincidences, I think, it could just be that as with Michael Hastings, however.

    narciso (3fec35)

  59. “Which, as it happens, is the same home Britney Spears went nutso in.”

    Sarahw – Perhaps Brittany and her husband were both taken over by evil demons inhabiting the house. Are there any reports of their heads swiveling 360 degrees and vomiting pea soup type substances?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  60. http://www.themedicalbag.com/story/brittany-murphy

    Brittany Murphy died at home. She fell on the floor of the bathroom December 20, 2009, and could not be resuscitated. That could sound like she had a seizure.

    At first the chief Assistant chief coroner of Los Angeles, Ed Winter, told the Associated Press, “It appears to be natural.” Then the cause oif death was listed as deferred.

    Then on February 4, 2010, the Los Angeles County coroner stated that Murphy’s death was primarily caused by pneumonia, with secondary factors being iron-deficiency anemia and multiple drug intoxication.

    Then on February 25, 2010, the coroner released a statement that Brittany had been taking multiple over-the-counter and prescription medications, most likely to treat a cold. The drugs were all legal, but the report stated “the possible adverse physiological effects of elevated levels of these medications cannot be discounted, especially in her weakened state.”

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  61. What did the mother do about the mold?

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  62. Sarahw,

    This ABC report has more information from the coroner’s office. It discounts mold as a cause and considers the deaths unusual. This article states the coroner also attributed her anemia to her period, which strikes me as strange and certainly wouldn’t explain her husband’s anemia.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  63. Sammy,

    The ABC report I linked above says the husband had the house tested for mold after his wife’s death and the report said the house was clean. In addition, the coroner’s report says mold did not appear to be a factor in her death.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  64. http://www.bcepilepsy.com/files/Information_Sheets/Triggers.pdf

    For example, a “normal person” could have seizures as part of a serious illness like double pneumonia, and once the illness is over, have no more seizures. That person would not typically be considered to be an individual with epilepsy.

    They both had seizures, because what probably killed Brittany Murphy was a seizure.

    Maybe pneumococcal meningitis?

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  65. no justice no peace

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  66. I think it must have been some lawyers who got the mother committed to the mold theory.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  67. Sure looks fishy. I read the linked Daily Mail article but found nothing about the death of Davis’ Yucca Valley neighbor who taped the helicopter raid and possibly the death of Davis’ father while in the control of government agents.

    An investigation into events surrounding the neighbor’s untimely death just might pierce the veil of official secrecy and denial enough to demonstrate retaliation against a witness or at least corroborate elements of Davis’ story.

    The current revelation of poisonous metals present in both Brittany Murphy and husband Mark Monjack open a brief window of opportunity for Davis and Bertolotti to demonstrate the legitimacy of their claims, otherwise they’ll be dismissed as greedy kooks looking to cash-in on tragic events.

    ropelight (32e890)

  68. http://www.patient.co.uk/health/meningococcal-infection

    …without treatment, most people will die.

    A difficulty is that meningococcal infection can develop very quickly and can mimic other illnesses when symptoms first begin. Treatment may be delayed if the cause of early symptoms is not clear at first. In some cases a person can be well in the morning, develop flu-like symptoms by the afternoon, and be critically ill or dead by the evening

    So now we have something that kills young people, and causes seizures. It is uncommon, but very serious.

    But why would the corner say pneumonia?

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  69. Mild anemia can have many difficult symptoms but it’s different than severe anemia, which is life-threatening. I can say from personal experience that anemia from a chronic illness like cancer or from a severe drug reaction (which is similar to poisoning) is very dangerous — both in itself and also because you don’t realize what’s happening. You become disoriented because the blood can’t carry enough blood to your brain. You display respiratory problems that seem like the flu or a cold, but are actually due to the blood’s inability to supply enough oxygen to the heart and can be life-threatening.

    And it happens over time so even when you are going to the doctor regularly, as I was, even doctors don’t realize what’s happening without blood tests — something that isn’t usually done with what appears to be a mild illness. In my case, I demanded a blood test because I knew something was very wrong … and it was. I doubt someone of Murphy’s age would have had the experience or medical knowledge to make that demand, so they usually present as an emergency case.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  70. Look at this:

    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001355.htm

    Septicemia is a serious, life-threatening infection that gets worse very quickly. It can arise from infections throughout the body, including infections in the lungs, abdomen, and urinary tract. It may come before or at the same time as infections of the:
    •Bone (osteomyelitis)
    •Central nervous system (meningitis)
    •Heart (endocarditis)
    •Other tissues

    They both obviously had some serious infection that never got diagnosed and treated, except for over the couunter cold remedies (in the case of Brittany Murphy and her husband got anti-seizure medication and the two illnesses were nnot linked.)

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  71. This was tailor-made for the mad sleuthing skillz of the Sammah.

    JD (5c1832)

  72. Brittany never saw a doctor. She just died, probably after a seizure.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  73. It wasn’t meningitis, Sammy. Meningitis typically includes a high fever and stiffness in the neck, neither of which were reported in Murphy or her husband. In addition, this would have been readily apparent to her doctors and in the autopsy, where the coroner would have mentioned swelling in the meninges.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  74. I don’t know if Murphy was seen by a doctor but she was under a doctor’s care because she was given a prescription 11 days before her death.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  75. I am so glad you aren’t my doctor, Sammy.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  76. I don’t know why you think she had a seizure, Sammy. Maybe she did but the fact she collapsed when we know she had pneumonia and anemia suggests to me her heart gave out from the anemia or she suffocated from the pneumonia.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  77. 6. …And this happened under Bush?!?!

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/19/2013 @ 8:36 am

    Whether Bush was nice guy or not is irrelevant. The bureacracies are out of control and largely operate for the benefit of their own little empire.

    If you recall there were several occasions when the bureaucracies practically went to war with the Bush administration. For instance the 2007 NIE in which the CIA estimated that Iran had suspended its nuclear weapons program. Issued just in time to undercut Bush’s efforts to get a coalition together to strengthen sanctions against Iran. Then we found out later that the CIA had known about the secret Qom enrichment facility before it wrote the NIE. The CIA wrote a political document, not an intelligence estimate. The CIA is interested only in what is good for growing the CIA.

    A more recent illustration is the IRS targeting scandal. The National Treasury Employees Union doesn’t need a written order from Barack Obama to go after small government groups like the TEA Party. Public employee unions don’t want smaller government. They want larger government. As far as the IRS is concerned it doesn’t matter if Obamacare fails to provide anyone with access to health care. It provides the IRS with at least 16,000 new NTEU members. None of which will ever have to deal with Obamacare, so they could care less.

    One thing to note is had Bush tried to use the IRS to go after his political enemies the IRS would have never cooperated. His enemies aren’t the IRS unionized tax collecters’ enemies. On the other hand Obama just had to mention groups and individuals that were his enemies in public speeches and the IRS knew who to target. They have common enemies.

    Steve57 (338553)

  78. I made two mistakes in a sentence in my earlier comment. Normally I don’t worry about things like this but it’s about medical stuff, so I need to correct it:

    You become disoriented because the blood can’t carry enough blood oxygen to your brain. You display respiratory problems that seem like the flu or a cold, but are actually due to the blood’s inability to supply enough oxygen to the heart, lungs and other organs and can be life-threatening.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  79. is there anything Sam the Sham can’t try to put a spin on?

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  80. 75. The article you linked, dated February 27, 2010, says Brittany Murphy was prescribed 120 hydrocodone pills, better known as Vicodin, 11 days before she died by an Dr. Cohen (no first name) whom her husband said he wss unable to identify.

    Vicodin is a combination of hydrocodone and acetaminophen (Tylonol)

    Tylonel! Overdoses can be fatal, and before that causes liver damage.

    By the way, outside of the United States, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Hong Kong, and Iran acetaminophen is called paracetamol, and that’s what Wikipedia has decided to call it.

    It was supposed to be taken no more than four times daily, but only 11 pills remained when Murphy was found. There should have been, therefore, 78. This would mean about 10 a day were being taken. This was first reported by TMZ.

    But Simon Monjack contacted TMZ to say the prescription was not for Brittany Murphy, but was either for her mother, Sharon Murphy, or himself —but he was unsure! (they both took it?)

    He also disputed the report that only 11 pills remained, claiming he and Sharon Murphy found 73 tablets, which is only about 5 short.

    Now what?

    Sammy Finkelman (03c829)

  81. The one who composed that NIE and the one back in 2003, Paul Pillar has shown legendarily bad conclusions, then there’s Mary McCarthy, the model for the Alison Landy character in the last Damon Bourne vehicle, Robert Grenier, who slipped a chiv against Libby, who couldn’t figure out where to target AQ, Kappes and Sulick who badmouthed their way against Goss, back to top positions in the Clandestine Service, Drumheller, the head of the european saction, who misrepresented his knowledge of ‘Curveball’ who was a BND asset.

    narciso (3fec35)

  82. 77. I don’t know why you think she had a seizure, Sammy. Maybe she did but the fact she collapsed when we know she had pneumonia and anemia suggests to me her heart gave out from the anemia or she suffocated from the pneumonia.

    Because she collapsed in the bathroom. If she had any time at all, she’d have gotten out of there – that’s not a good place to lie down. This had to be sudden.

    Sammy Finkelman (03c829)

  83. The bureacracies are out of control and largely operate for the benefit of their own little empire.
    Comment by Steve57 (338553) — 11/19/2013 @ 12:35 pm

    Agreed, and I think noted above.

    Sammy, Sammy, Sammy, Sammy.
    I know about bacterial infections, I know about meningococcal meningitis and I know about a lot of other things (such as there is an outbreak of meningococcal meningitis at Princeton U., currently, that is caused by a strain not covered by the vaccine commonly used in the US).
    The information as presented suggested both died with similar symptoms and findings months apart, which included a pneumonia-like illness and anemia.

    Using Occam’s Razor (when he wasn’t looking), the question is what can be a common cause.

    Yes, young women can get iron deficiency anemia, young men don’t unless they have a specific cause such as bleeding ulcers or colon CA at an unusually young age.
    Some things can look like iron deficiency anemia without close investigation, things like other metals that interfere with normal iron metabolism, for example.
    It would be very unusual for legal OTC meds to contribute to the death of a young person, even if the person was sick with an infectious disease, unless the person took significantly high doses or/and had some predisposing underlying factors.

    Maybe her death and her husband’s are not related, but there is already a heck of a lot of strange stuff going on.
    Sammy, if you want to continue this discussion, please spend some energy trying to get copies of the coroner’s reports, etc., and let me worry about what you can find in Web MD that I already know, along with 25 years of daily experience.
    I mean, quoting Web MD to me is like me quoting a legal self-help site in discussing a legal precedent here.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  84. Iron deficiency anemia is not enough red blood cells.

    That doesn’t happen in one day, unless theer was a lot of bleeding or something.

    That built up over time, but what killed her probably didn’t.

    Sammy Finkelman (03c829)

  85. Those are just a few that come to mind;

    narciso (3fec35)

  86. Seizures rarely kill people. if a person dies related to a seizure it is much more likely to be due to the underlying cause of the seizure, (infection, brain tumor, trauma, etc.) or trauma resulting from the seizure, such as a cracked skull or car accident.
    And Tylenol poisoning kills you from liver failure, which means you turn yellow and start bleeding all over first.

    One must remember that when the coroner was presented with this case, he likely did not know anything about the larger suspicious context, and he only had one victim with no way of knowing this would be the first of two.

    House mold causing illness is a bit iffy, especially if you are talking about causing death,
    unless it is a specific type of mold such as aspergillus, which should be identified;
    now having said that, I have not followed the ins and outs of the mold debate very closely.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  87. Sammy, iron deficiency anemia is not “not enough red blood cells”
    Anemia simply means not enough blood cells.
    I don’t have time for a hematology lesson now.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  88. narciso, I have next to no idea what you are talking about, except I recognize “Damon Bourne”.
    You must know a lot more than I ever heard of about covert activity and such.
    But then I don’t read nearly as much as I would like.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  89. 84. …Sammy, if you want to continue this discussion, please spend some energy trying to get copies of the coroner’s reports, etc., and let me worry about what you can find in Web MD that I already know, along with 25 years of daily experience.
    I mean, quoting Web MD to me is like me quoting a legal self-help site in discussing a legal precedent here.

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/19/2013 @ 12:57 pm

    He reminds me of a reserve Seaman who was assigned to our squadron for his two weeks of active duty training. All we could find for him to do was answer phones in the ready room.

    After every cyclic op the Landing Signals Officer would come down to debrief the pilots about their landings and why he scored their landings the way he did. While watching a tape of the landing.

    The Seaman would come over and join in the critique. I remember one time he came over and told the squadron CO, “I think you should have used more top flap, sir.”

    Skipper just looked at him for a minute then said, “Thanks. I’ll be sure to do that.”

    Steve57 (338553)

  90. Ermagawd! House has nothing on Sammy Finkelman Internet M.D.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  91. Grenier was the head of the CTC replaced by Goss with Jose Rodriguez, he was rather opposed to Gitmo and such measures, and made it very clear to Mayer, Priest and co.

    narciso (3fec35)

  92. Jose Rodriguez’s book Hard Measures was very good.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  93. Here’s the entire title:

    Hard Measures: How Aggressive CIA Actions After 9/11 Saved American Lives

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  94. Hanta Virus!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  95. And we know that he nearly went broke defending against charges raised against him,

    narciso (3fec35)

  96. Iowahawk;

    Next up, virgin sacrifices: Joe Biden beseeches sky spirits to fix website http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/11/biden-god-willing-healthcaregov-will-work-177771.html … h/t @exjon

    narciso (3fec35)

  97. And that the charges were based on Rodriguez’s destruction of CIA tapes showing terrorist interrogations that included the identities of CIA personnel — tapes that he was given permission to destroy by his chain of command — that he destroyed to protect the lives of those CIA personnel.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  98. No wonder every federal employee in Washington that has any sense buys a personal insurance policy that covers legal representation in the event they are sued or subject to criminal charges.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  99. Oh, yeah, I remember that Rodriguez guy being interviewed somewhere. Probably on Fox news while I was visiting my folks.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  100. You come from good stock, MD, and I bet they are proud of their son and grandchildren.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  101. He was also on 60 minutes, with Lesley Stahl, having a case of the vapors, over giving ensure to the detainees,

    narciso (3fec35)

  102. Is Sammy finally taking a nap?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  103. Or a hint?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  104. Police-State America

    Government indoctrination of children and forcing kindergartners to say the (heavily ironic) Pledge of Allegiance (“with liberty and justice for all” uh huh) isn’t enough.

    Man Arrested for Trying to Pick Up His Kids from School

    Definitely watch the long version. It’s just 6 minutes.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  105. daleyrocks #103,

    Sammy’s probably just resting.
    After all, he has a big weekend forthcoming, when he will insist that Lee Harvey Oswald was not a communist.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  106. http://www.today.com/id/35592535

    The actress was taking anti-seizure medications and hydrocodone, the report said.

    Murphy had been complaining of severe abdominal pain for seven to 10 days before her death. The report states her family thought it was a result of her menstrual period, which they told investigators was often severe.

    The “Clueless” and “8 Mile” star had a doctor’s appointment scheduled, but died before her appointment, Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter has said….

    The autopsy report noted Murphy suffered from diabetes and had to go to the hospital for treatment in Oregon in April 2009. The report found her to be otherwise healthy.

    Monjack said in an interview in January that he and Murphy were planning a family and contemplating a move to New York before her death. He said his wife had been taking anti-seizure medications after a health episode she experienced while filming “8 Mile.”

    She’d been taking anti-seizure medication since 2001 or 2002, that is.

    Sammy Finkelman (03c829)

  107. Because she collapsed in the bathroom. If she had any time at all, she’d have gotten out of there – that’s not a good place to lie down.

    I’m an EMT with no knowledge of this case other than this article. However, people keel over in the bathroom all of the time. Esp. if taking a dump (it throws your blood pressure around). With pneumonia, steam from a shower could have aggravated her condition. Somebody who’s ill or light-headed would be much more likely to slip and fall on a damp surface.

    Put another way: her dying in the bathroom is the most normal part of this story I’ve read so far.

    Garrett Kajmowicz (767bed)

  108. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/final-difficult-days-brittany-murphy-70059?page=show

    It was Staphylococcus aureus. According to one source.

    The bug that would play a major role in Brittany’s passing — Staphylococcus aureus — was imported from Puerto Rico, where Brittany had gone six weeks before her death to star in The Caller, a low-budget thriller that was the latest in a series of ever-lower-budget movies she had done during the previous three years, mostly for the payday.

    As soon as she saw what the movie was really like, she quit, but they all stayed 8 days in San Juan. Simon and Sharon both caught colds there.

    On the flight home to LAX on Nov. 28, 2009, Simon had what he described as a “mild heart attack” and that Brittany administered CPR on the plane.

    But Brittany had been quoted as calling it an asthma attack. OK, let’s say that’s PR, or they didn’t really know.

    After they got back, it seems like Brittany caught the same infection her husband and her mother had.

    And it could have been a seizure, because she was taking anti-seizure medications for 7 years or so.

    What’s true is that over the years, her use of prescription drugs steadily increased as she coped with pain from the auto accident, took medication for seizures after an incident during the production of 8 Mile and coped with other health issues.

    And we read:

    The day she died, she had also taken an anti-depression drug (fluoxetine, aka Prozac), an anti-seizure drug (Klonopin), an anti-inflammatory (methylprednisolone) and a beta blocker that Simon gave her, as well as Vicoprofen to ease pain from her period. But Brittany kept getting sicker, and her laryngitis during her final 10 days was the worst of her life. She was also weakened by her period — the second in a month — which was causing anemia that cut her red-blood count to a quarter of normal.

    To a quarter of normal?!! She’s have been long dead if that was the case.

    Maybe that’s supposed to be “a quarter below normal.”

    Sammy Finkelman (03c829)

  109. Simon Monjack said Brittany Murphy spent hours in her (giant) bathroom.

    He himself had been having seizures for nearly a year. He also had sleep apnea, bouts of asthma and frequent respiratory infections. She was weakened by anemia and gasping for breath but would hold 300-pound Simon’s body down, using a spoon to keep him from swallowing his tongue.(?)

    Brittany was 115 pounds when she died, not unhealthy for her height.

    One caution, though: Much of what Simon told the author — about his family, education, marriage and career — the author says was exaggerated or simply fabricated.

    Sammy Finkelman (03c829)

  110. Thank you for commenting, Garrett, and we’re not all like Sammy.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  111. Simon Monjack’s mother thought he had Munchausen’s syndrome.

    He said his seizures started after he fell off a ladder. He also claimed it was connected to a brain tumor, like his father had. His father had gotten one at the age of 29 and died 6 years later when Simon was 15. That’s when he started lying, according to his mother.

    His mother was skeptical about the cause of his seizures and about his heart problems, and thought he could make it look like his heart stopped. He claimed he had various heart problems and needed open heart surgery.

    Shortly before his own death he took an EKG exam and everything was fine, and an autopsy showed a healthy, albeit slightly enlarged, heart.

    Sammy Finkelman (03c829)

  112. So his mother thought he was a hypochondriac … right up until his death?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  113. From the January 11, 2011 – I think that’s the right date – Hollywood reporter article: (written by Alex Ben Block, who says he knew Brittany since 1992, which fact, in spite of the claims this account, or important parts of it, is fabricated, seems to be confirmed by Britanny’s mother)

    On her final night, Brittany was gasping for breath, her lips turning blue from a lack of oxygen as her lungs filled with fluid.

    Despite her problems, Brittany had not seen a doctor for six weeks, though she consulted by phone a few times and had talked to a pharmacist.

    Late Friday afternoon of her final weekend, she made a doctor appointment for Monday. She never got there.

    More details:

    At about 3 a.m. on Brittany’s final morning, power returned to the Hollywood Hills after a 45-minute blackout. Brittany woke and made her way to the little balcony off the cluttered bedroom. At his wife’s request, Simon phoned upstairs to Sharon and said Brittany needed her. Sharon came down carrying Clara, [ a Maltese puppy] named after Brittany’s favorite old-time star, Clara Bow, another one-time Hollywood “It” girl.

    What Sharon saw frightened her. “She was lying on the patio trying to catch her breath,” Sharon recalled. “I said ‘Baby, get up.’ She said: ‘Mommy, I can’t catch my breath. Help me. Help me.’ ”

    Simon recalled, “She said to her mom: ‘I’m dying. I’m going to die. Mommy, I love you.’ ”

    Sharon and Simon were sympathetic, but Brittany frequently complained about ailments, so they didn’t take it seriously. “She was always so dramatic,” Sharon said. “I’ve replayed that so many times. She asked if she could use the oxygen, but Simon said her heart could stop with oxygen, and anyway he then had another seizure, a long, horrific seizure.” Sharon then made her daughter hot tea with ginger and lemon. “Her lips were parched, like she was dehydrated,” Sharon said. “So I made her drink that.”

    Brittany returned to her peach bathroom around 7:30 a.m., followed minutes later by Sharon. “She said, ‘Mommy, I really don’t feel well,’ ” Sharon told me. As Brittany collapsed around 8 a.m., Sharon pulled her daughter to her and screamed for Simon, who said to call 911 while he moved Brittany into a cold shower. Sharon, on instructions from the 911 operator, talked Simon through resuscitation efforts until the paramedics arrived.

    [In a statement to Entertainment Tonight, Brittany’s mother says: “As I am dealing daily with the heart-wrenching loss of my entire family, I am shocked by Mr. Block’s statements. This is very disturbing that someone that was supposed to be mine and Brittany’s friend, and someone who works for The Hollywood Reporter, would make statements that are 100-percent untrue. For anyone to even fathom that I would just sit and watch my only beloved daughter die and not get help instantly is beyond my way of thinking and despicable.”]

    Sammy Finkelman (03c829)

  114. From the Hollywood Reporter article:

    They were always afraid the paparazzi would find out if they were seen as sick and that it would hurt their job prospects in Hollywood. That was one reason Brittany didn’t go to an emergency room that night, and it was an excuse for Simon not to call for help when he had seizures or another of his heart problems. It was also why Brittany used false names to hide her identity at the pharmacy.

    One druggist…became alarmed by the frequency and amounts of their drug purchases and suspected they were “doctor shopping” — getting drugs from multiple sources. He confronted Simon in August 2009 and told them to take their business elsewhere. Bubar said he feared they were being overmedicated, though he never imagined it would have such dire consequences. Simon and Sharon, he said, got drugs under their own names. But Brittany preferred an alias: Lola Manilow, which Bubar was aware of…

    Simon was a big liar. He claimed to be rich, but he’d spent his inheritance.

    He also had no problem spinning tales to get his way with women on both sides of the Atlantic, leaving a trail of broken hearts, unpaid bills and angry fiancees. A woman he met in London in 1999 later described Simon as “very manipulative” and said he lied to her about his wealth and properties. He “usually cons good, honest, trustworthy people,” she wrote in a letter to the FBI, meant as a warning to others — which I accessed through the Freedom of Information Act — “simply because they cannot comprehend that a person can be so deceptive to that extent; it’s almost unbelievable. I believe he is sick and lies continuously, defrauding people, hurting people including his own family. He himself has admitted this to me.” …Several times, Brittany was confronted with evidence of Simon’s checkered past but refused to believe it or chose to ignore it. She was in love and fiercely loyal..Several times, Brittany was confronted with evidence of Simon’s checkered past but refused to believe it or chose to ignore it. She was in love and fiercely loyal.

    Sammy Finkelman (03c829)

  115. 113. Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 11/19/2013 @ 5:39 pm

    So his mother thought he was a hypochondriac … right up until his death?

    Not a hypochondriac. Munchausen’s syndrome.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchausen_syndrome

    In such a case sometimes you make yourself sick – create real symptoms.

    Maybe you could go too far, as Slobodan Milosevic did when he was on trial at the Hague. He died.

    There’s also Munchausen’s syndrome by proxy, in in which you make somebody else sick. Although usually the victim is a child. and it’s done by the mother.

    Sammy Finkelman (03c829)

  116. Simon Monjack had been a liar and an exaggerator since age 15, but he’d started claiming to have medical problems only since he married Brittany Murphy.

    It was actually started out an an affair, but then Simon got arrested for overstaying an expired visa, and was in jail for 9 days, after which the two got married. By a Rabbi. (He was Jewish?)

    Sammy Finkelman (03c829)

  117. Admit it, Patterico.

    You posted this to troll Sammy.

    SPQR (768505)

  118. This has board game/video game possibilities ala CLUE, I think. Do we have any nascent entrepreneurs out there?

    elissa (c6530a)

  119. Sammy, can we see a copy of the autopsy results, not the Hollywood Reporter version?

    The more you repeat the less sense it makes. Klonopin is used for anxiety, panic disorder, and other things more often than seizures.
    Being deathly ill and having your mother make tea doesn’t make sense.
    You don’t have to go to Puerto Rico to get Staph infection.

    Sammy, if you want to think about this seriously, get the data, not second hand reports that on one hand make her sound like she is 80 and in poor health, and then has her mom making tea as if that helps blue lips.

    As Patterico said, if there wasn’t already documented craziness and 2 dead people, it would sound like some really out of control Hollywood types that were indeed “Clueless”.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  120. I’m all for a good conspiracy theory, but c’mon now.

    1)
    The deaths of the wife and husband were separated by about five months. Both die of the same causes, pneumonia and severe anemia. Murdering both people five months apart for the sake of preventing a movie (which the victims denied they were making) seems farfetched. It seems more possible that environmental factors in the house might be the common cause.

    2)

    The investigations ultimately resulted in the federal government raiding the desert home with a Blackhawk helicopter and about two dozen armed federal agents — all to investigate an unfounded claim that Davis and her husband had committed marriage fraud years earlier.

    A quick google-check on the late Mr. Simon Monjack shows that he did have more mundane problems with the law: credit card charges that were dropped, eviction from four houses, and deportation related arrest because of an expired visa. (2005, 2006, 2007 respectively). It seems more likely that he upset or frustrated a federal official in these dealings rather than some sort of connection to an alleged movie.

    Using a helicopter can be justified (by feds of course) if the home is way out in the boondocks. If so,the current helicopter of choice is the Blackhawk. Although definitely over the top, this is something that government storm troopers would be eager to do, if they could justify it with: time, distance and isolation factors. The fact that they investigated an unfounded claim is par for the course for law enforcement nowadays (ever here of swatting) — especially if he did upset some official. Wrong, yes, but this seems a more likely origin for his paranoia and the subsequent over-the-top investigation.

    3)
    The neighbor is unnamed so we cannot confirm his death, nor his age, health, etc; neither is the cause of death given, nor the date of his death (we are just told “soon.”) This claim lacks facts, which does allow conspiracy theories to thrive, but hardly can be used as a serious factual claim to conspiracy.

    4)
    The death of Ms. Murphy’s father is the result of law enforcement if the story is assumed accurate, but that stuff happens all the time by law enforcement and will almost certainly continue to occur because the officers that kill people in this manner are rarely criminally punished. Wrong, yes, but this ordinary occurrence is far more likely than a deliberate plan to commit murder (count on the fact that Ms. Murphy’s father would forget his medication, and then brief all law-enforcement not to allow him to retrieve it…).

    5)
    As for the independent lab result, well:

    The director of forensic medicine at the University of Florida, who is also the president of the American Board of Forensic Toxicology, reviewed the lab report for CNN and was very critical.

    “It’s ridiculous,” Dr. Bruce Goldberger said. A conclusion of poisoning is an “inflammatory statement” that “is a baseless allegation and outrageous statement to make based on a single hair test.”

    Murphy’s autopsy revealed no physical signs of poisoning, he said. “A hair test alone, without any clinical signs or symptoms, cannot be used to establish poisoning.”

    The private report also showed a normal level of arsenic, which would have been elevated if rat poisoning was involved, he said.

    So I am going to wait before purchasing a new tin foil hat.

    Pons Asinorum (8ce71a)

  121. For example, if the autopsy says lung filled with pus and Staph aureaus growing out, there is little need to say anything more. Staph aureaus can be rapidly progressive and fatal, especially if one is used to self medicated with narcotics and anxiolytics instead of going to the doctor, even in a previously healthy person.

    Then again, just because she died of Staph pneumonia, if she indeed did, it doesn’t mean that no one wasn’t trying to poison her as well.

    We have millions of illegal immigrants in our country that you can’t get the feds to care about, yet they call out the cavalry to check if a few people have legal marriages.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  122. If the suspicions in this case are plausible, then the strange circumstances surrounding the death in August of journalist, and contributor to Rolling Stone, Michael Hastings, and that strangeness being somehow tied to insider government forces comes even closer to a real possibility.

    It’s hard to know when one is entering “tin-foil hat” territory, but truth nowadays seems like it’s becoming increasingly stranger than fiction. After all, it wasn’t all that long ago when I thought that someone like Barack Obama sitting in the White House was a very unlikely, Hollywood-ish scenario.

    Mark (58ea35)

  123. And what about Breitbart croaking and then weeks later the guy who performed the autopsy also died. May you live in interesting times…

    Gazzer (e6ddf8)

  124. Wow, I’m at my mom’s and Access Hollywood came on and they did a segment on the new toxicology report and her dad’s insistence on the testing . The announcer said that there is suspicion she did not die as originally reported. So coincidental to just finish relaxing this post and there it was on a show biz show.

    It’s a great post, Patterico.

    Dana (d14468)

  125. 120. Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/19/2013 @ 6:30 pm

    Sammy, can we see a copy of the autopsy results, not the Hollywood Reporter version?

    I didn’t know where to find it, or even if it was on the Internet, but this might be it:

    http://www.varietyportal.com/brittany-murphy-autopsy/

    In the Hollywood Reporter article Staphylococcus aureus is mentioned and I figured it probably was there because the autopsy must have mentioned it, and using that as one of the search terms turned this up.

    Sammy Finkelman (03c829)

  126. Breitbart’s family knew he had heart disease, although he kept that very secret from most people. And there was an anecdote about him one time having a problem.

    Sammy Finkelman (03c829)

  127. That looks like an autopsy report, from my limited direct experience.

    In fact, what we see is very much like what I said in #122, evidence of widespread pneumonia in the lungs and staph aureaus growing from the blood.
    There are some other things which seem a bit confusing, such as having a normal WBC in the face of a fatal infection, but sometimes in the face of an overwhelming infection the WBC’s get “used up” as the illness progresses.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  128. nobody’s mentioned how nasty her husband was relative to her hotness

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  129. ok where we are now:

    Brittany Murphy’s father and mother long ago were estranged and her father was barely part of her life.

    Her mother is now pursuing the theory that it was mold.

    Her father is pursuing the theory that it wass heavy metal poisoning.

    Both of which probably make no sense.

    Sammy Finkelman (9a6ee5)

  130. And I meant to say thanks for looking it up.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  131. I don’t know what website yesterday gave me “Antivirus Security Pro” which almost diosables web browsing and tells you absurd lies.

    It might have been the autopsy site, but if you find it OK then that’s not it.

    It’s worse after you reboot. It traps Ctrl-Alt-Del so you can’t take it out of memory.

    Now I doin’t knoiw the best way to get rid of this.

    Is this more malware?

    http://www.pcmri.com/virusremovalhelp/antivirus-security-pro-virus-scam-removal-help/?source=googfbi&keyword=Antivirus%20Security%20Pro&gclid=CN2x-o__87oCFU7xOgodOEAA0w

    Is this good advice?

    http://malwaretips.com/blogs/antivirus-security-pro-removal/

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  132. The instructions at malwaretips look a little bit more complicted than they need to be, as anyone can get into DOS by clicking on RUN nd typing cmd. And the hidden directories can be found by imply going to C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\ (For Windows XP) and running SDIR or possibly LISTFILE to find recently created files. RENAME is a DOS command.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  133. Hmmm, my computer hasn’t done anything funny that I can tell, but I haven’t rebooted it.
    Thanks for the warning.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  134. It’s obvious there is a problem long before rebooting. You get popups and warnings, that if you actually understand anythinmg about computers, make no sense.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  135. if you actually understand anythinmg about computers, make no sense.

    Not sure then, if I would be aware of a problem or not 😉

    But no, I haven’t seen anything unusual, and scanning with MalWareBytes only give me a short list of PUP’s that I don’t know what to do with.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  136. Sammy, you do a very lot of web browsing and searching do you not? Why in particular do you suspect your malware issue may be from this site?

    elissa (c37a48)

  137. I do alot of browsing – and it only happened yesterday.

    It almost certainly had to have been something dealing with Brittany Murphy. That’s what i was doing at about the time this secretly downloaded itself. And that’s very logical – something getting a lot of hits from many different people would be where a virus would be found.

    It probably wasn’t the autopsy site, but it must have been one of the other sites that got ionfected.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  138. The program “Antivirus Security Pro” seems to be the latest virus.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  139. With “Antivirus Security Pro” even at the start you get messages that every web site is possible infected, and you have to clock go ahead anyway.

    You get small messages like:

    Warning! Suspicious activity detected

    We strongly recommend activating full edition of your antivirus software for repairing threats.

    Or:

    Warning! Infected File detected

    To keep the computer safe, the threat must be blocked.

    Or


    Warning! Network attack attempt detected

    To keep the computer safe, the threat must be blocked.

    Also, in the middle of ths screen:

    Windows Security Center

    X Unless Antivirus Security Pro is activated, some of the current critical threats will not be eliminated and your computer will remain unprotected. Are you sure you would like toi proceed unprotected?

    Yes No

    You also have a choice.

    You could say you have the activation key (which you get by paying money, If one of those online works, that would be able to usse \your computer, but it would still stay active doing who knows what. You could dispute the charge, of course. This is ransomware.

    You could say Continue without buying

    And Cancel and refreseh the payment page.

    It can giove you a fake result of a scan.

    And before letting you go on to a website will tell you it may harm your computer.

    Your current security settings put your computer at risk!

    Activate Antivirus Security Pro, and enable safe web surfing (recommended)

    Ignore warnings and visit that site in the current state (not recommended)

    Of course it is Antivirus Securiy Pro that is the virus!!

    THE MESSAGES CAN SOUND SORT OF LEGITIMATE TO SOMEONE WHO DOESN’T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  140. Sammy, try to get an F key prompt on restart by shutting down your computer by holding down the power button. Safe Mode is usually on F8. See if you can run your antivirus’s on demand scan — you might, almost certainly, need to access it from the Start Menu. That might work.

    If it doesn’t, see if you can open Recovery. Start Menu, Control Panel, Recovery. Choose the default recovery date your computer shows you. You should not lose any data by that.

    Good luck.

    nk (dbc370)

  141. There’s also Munchausen’s syndrome by proxy, in in which you make somebody else sick. Although usually the victim is a child. and it’s done by the mother.

    And it’s probably a myth. I don’t think there are any confirmed cases.

    Milhouse (b95258)

  142. after which the two got married. By a Rabbi. (He was Jewish?)

    He wouldn’t have to be. The state doesn’t care what your religion is. All it cares about is that the person overseeing the thing is authorised to do so.

    Milhouse (b95258)

  143. 143. It would be odd to use a Rabbi if he wasn’t Jewish or at lesast had some connection.

    The Wikipedia article said he camew from aJewish family but no furtehr details are given.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  144. I can’t get into safe mode. The virus disables that.

    I actually found the main part of the virus program yesterday. I wasn’t sure that it wasn’t something genuine, but it is dated November 19. Now I see that’s it. The directory (or folder) begins with the letters hV. And then there are 6 random digits.

    And one way to disable it is simply to rename the folder. But I can’t.

    I can’t rename the directory, which would take care of the problem, or delete all the files there because it is a sharing violation. I can delete some of them, but some of them come back when I reboot.

    141. Comment by nk (dbc370) — 11/20/2013 @ 1:57 pm

    Sammy, try to get an F key prompt on restart by shutting down your computer by holding down the power button. Safe Mode is usually on F8.

    It is but that;’s not so easy to do now on that computer. Ctrl-Alt-Del pops up the menu for a second (that could kill the program if not its loading) but then Antiviorus security Pro takes it away.

    I have no problem getting to a DOS prompt afetr booting – but then I have the sharing violation.

    See if you can run your antivirus’s on demand scan — you might, almost certainly, need to access it from the Start Menu. That might work.

    I don;’t have one,. I could download one.

    rstrui.exe is also recommended. I can get to it when using cmd. I don’t know what will happen if I try and might want to back up some more files. That’s difficult as I have to find all the directories I want to back up.

    If it doesn’t, see if you can open Recovery. Start Menu, Control Panel, Recovery. Choose the default recovery date your computer shows you. You should not lose any data by that.

    Start menu works. Control panel works. I’ll have to see what goes on at that computer. I never launched Recovery – I have no idea what it will do.

    Anyway, this virus has disabled Safe mode, but there may be some things theh programmer hasn’t thought of.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  145. Recovery brings your system into the way it was on a previous date. I recommend you use the default backup date it shows you. You will not lose data. You will lose system changes since that date which is the idea — the virus has changed your system.

    Did you get “recovery” disks when you bought your computer in case worst comes to worst? They have the virgin version of your system, and you might even be able to do a partial reinstall or cleanup without losing programs you subsequently installed. But I worry letting you loose with that.

    nk (dbc370)

  146. This might help, I had a similar problem, which I thought was related to an Uverse outage, but it ended up being more complicated;

    http://www.2-spyware.com/remove-internet-antivirus-pro.html

    narciso (3fec35)

  147. Sammy, this is a form of malware and none of its links, warnings, suggestion, or reports are legitimate.

    Here is a site that has three options for removal (all free); you will need to scroll down to the section entitled “How to remove Antivirus Security Pro virus (Removal Guide).” Scroll down further to view the three options for this malware removal.

    The first option is what I used for my neighbor (about two years ago, IIRC). This option involves downloading a free anti-malware app called: “Malwarebytes Anti-Malware” and then executing it. It worked and I did not need to finish all the steps in this option (which involved another download of a different free anti-malware app). I have had this app on my PC forever. It is free and safe.

    Option two has the instructions for a manual removal, but without safe mode, it may prove frustrating to get the appropriate permissions on certain windows OS’s (btw: hv directory is correct. If you could rename it, then you could reboot, download Malwarebytes Anti-Malware and run it). At the end of this option, you will be advised to download Malwarebytes Anti-Malware.

    Option three is a system restore. After which, you will be advised to download Malwarebytes Anti-Malware.

    Here is a CNET review of Malwarebytes Anti-Malware.

    Pons Asinorum (8ce71a)

  148. 148. Comment by Pons Asinorum (8ce71a) — 11/20/2013 @ 5:43 pm

    Sammy, this is a form of malware and none of its links, warnings, suggestion, or reports are legitimate.

    I know they are pretty obviously not legitimate. Since when is Google a suspect site?

    The trouble was getting rid of it. The files can’t be deleted because there uis asharing violation.

    First I backed up more. It took me some time – and I paused in between – to write a BATch file to do this. I had actually planned backup on oct 2 and created directoriues but never put any files in there.

    Here is how I deleted those files:

    That wasn’t so easy, but I think I did.

    First, I had to run System Restore.

    Go to the Start menu
    click on Run
    type cmd
    (I usually run a BATch file to make working in DOS easier, but it is not necessary)

    type cd \windows\system32
    In Windows XP type cd restore
    type dir r* (to make sure you are in the right directory)
    You should see a file called rstui.exe
    type rstui
    AND HIT ENTER.

    You can use the calendar to get to a date before the infection.

    Click next and whatever prompts are there.

    Now it is possible to delete the files.

    The icon Antivirus Security Pro will still be on your desktop. Don’t run it!

    To prove it is not running type Ctrl-Alt-Del. If the task manager comes up Antivirus security pro is not running.

    Go back into DOS
    That is, go to the Start menu
    click on Run
    type cmd (hit enter of course)

    In Windows XP:

    type cd doc*
    type cd

    In Windows Vista, 7 or 8 – I am not sure if you can get to DOS in these later editions:

    type cd progra*

    If you happen to have a very similarly named directory type dir pro* and so on and type enough letters so that it’s unique directory

    type dir /od

    There should be a directory dated at the time the virus was installed. the name is probably hV something

    type cd hv*
    type dir (to make sure you are in the right one)

    type del *.*
    type cd ..
    type rd hVggVX3n – or whatever the name is.

    Go to the Desktop.
    Right click – or is it left click –
    Pick the choice send to the recycle bin

    When AntiVirus Security Pro was running doing that merely got rid of the icon temporarily and merge3d it with an icon for Internet Explorer.

    You can then see Antivirus Security Pro
    4KB

    and

    Antivirus Security pro support
    4KB

    in the recycle bin.

    A message about file being ready for archiving also pops up.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  149. I made some errors and left some unclarities in the instructions for getting rid of AntiVirus Security Pro.

    First, when you gte into DOS after clicking on Run and typing cmd (if it isn’t already there from last time)

    You will probably not be in the root directory (the plain C:> prompt) but a subdirectory.

    Therefore the first command should be cd\

    Or you can preface a “\” character before the first directory named.

    It’s correct in the set of instructions to run System Restore. You could type the full path also, but this is easier.

    To be clear:

    type cd \windows\system32

    In Windows XP also type on a second line: cd restore

    type dir r* (to make sure you are in the right directory)

    You should see a file called rstui.exe
    type rstui

    AND HIT ENTER.

    My instructions for finding the virus itself in order to delete it has something missing, especially for Windows XP.

    That should be:

    In Windows XP:

    type cd \doc*
    type cd all*
    type cd app*

    In Windows Vista, 7 or 8 that should be instead:

    type cd \progra*

    Then follows:

    type dir /od

    There should be a directory dated at the time the virus was installed. the name is probably hV something

    type cd hv*
    type dir (to make sure you are in the right one)

    type del *.*
    type cd ..
    type rd hVggVX3n – or whatever the name is.

    Instead of deleting the files, you can also rename them, or ake a copy pf them somewhere.

    Sammy Finkelman (fe8737)

  150. Old school Sammy, like it.

    Quick suggestion — in winXP, to get to the Application Data folder from the cmd prompt:

    Enter: cd/ …this gets you to C:\>

    Enter cd doc*/all*/app* …this gets you to C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data>

    Also, it is wise to get something like“Malwarebytes Anti-Malware” aboard to prevent future infections and to ensure all remnants of the Antivirus Security Pro virus are removed.

    Pons Asinorum (8ce71a)

  151. I don’t doubt it~~Our government is so corrupt! Has heavy metals test been done on Simon Monjack yet?

    I do find it very odd that they died within months of each other from the exact same symptoms.

    dancingdelilah (6f2377)


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