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11/16/2013

Great Video on ObamaCare

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 4:19 pm

This video is devastating. It was evidently created in support of that awful Ted Cruz effort to defund ObamaCare, but the facts and clips are so well done that it is timeless. Via Ace.

One point that the video accurately makes is that, while you have heard that associations of doctors like the AMA supported ObamaCare, doctors themselves don’t. That is accurate. Doctors overwhelmingly reject the AMA position on ObamaCare.

UPDATE: This video of Paul Ryan ripping ObamaCare to shreds is pretty good too.

46 Responses to “Great Video on ObamaCare”

  1. Well, it won’t ding itself.

    Gazzer (e6ddf8)

  2. Not in this economy.

    Gazzer (e6ddf8)

  3. Poor Eleanor Clift had kind of a hard time of it tonite on the McLaughlin Group. She was still saying everything’s going to be hunky dory and people still love Obama because they know he’s trying to do the right thing for America. The other three panelists and John McLaughlin were all flabbergasted like.

    elissa (2d9d78)

  4. You know Obama and Obamacare are in trouble when a conversation between David Brooks and Mark Shields is devastating.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  5. Poof Eleanor Clift. She seems perpetually angry and unhappy. Even when she laughs it’s as if she has a mouth full of glass and hates all the men around her for putting it there. I think she gives post-menopausal women a bad name. I tried to think of something positive to say about her.

    The Paul Ryan video is just sublime. I don’t think the president ever suspected he would be taken to the woodshed by a young upstart, and certainly not before the public.

    Dana (45070c)

  6. I bet you could save Obamacare by putting a 5% tax on the value of group medical plans for unions, government and private employees. You know, all those people who think it’s good and just for the 3-5 million freelancers forced on the exchanges to cover the whole cost. Bet you they’d not scream even a little bit when they, too, are asked to pay.

    /sarcasm

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  7. Say what you want about President Obama, he can bring people together.

    Via Ace.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  8. The Estrich link is good, FC, although I’m not sure how many Democratic leaders today would actually do what she says.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  9. ==I tried to think of something positive to say about her.==

    Don’t bother, Dana. Eleanor Clift is a blight on womankind. Kathy Sebelius and Lois Lerner and Hillary Clinton and Fauxahontas and Candy Crowley and Susan Rice and Debbie Poodle all are too. I had hoped for much better when women finally achieved some stature and power in government and media. It’s embarrassing.

    elissa (2d9d78)

  10. It’s amusing that Estrich is just now figuring out what Obama’s all about; we’ve all known for quite some time.

    Dana (45070c)

  11. Awesome video. And this was before the cancelled policies and website disaster. Two things that have already happened just since then. What’s next? I think this is just the beginning.

    Eddieb (e4e017)

  12. Brilliant metaphor for Obamacare debacle via The Corner,

    Vasa was a Swedish warship launched in 1628 — only to sink after sailing less than a mile. It is so apt! Here’s the Wikipedia recounting:

    Vasa was built top-heavy and had insufficient ballast. Despite an obvious lack of stability in port, she was allowed to set sail and foundered only a few minutes after she first encountered a wind stronger than a breeze.

    The impulsive move to set sail was the result of a combination of factors: Swedish king Gustavus Adolphus, who was leading the army on the continent on the date of her maiden voyage, was impatient to see her join the Baltic fleet in the Thirty Years’ War; at the same time, the king’s subordinates lacked the political courage to discuss the ship’s structural problems frankly or to have the maiden voyage postponed. An inquiry was organized by the Swedish privy council to find personal responsibility for the disaster, but in the end no one was punished for the fiasco.

    Dana (45070c)

  13. I have issues listening to obama, but that was great.
    What has happened to Ryan?

    mg (31009b)

  14. I just watched that Shields-Brooks video. All I can come away with is if these guys are the great thinkers on the left and right then, maybe, both sides might start looking for better thinkers.

    The better idea might be to listen to the people who actually run for office, left or right.

    We spend a lot of time reacting to and criticizing media people for opinions that really do not matter.

    I am as guilty as the next. However, when a huge percentage of Americans dislike Congress, but keep re-electing their Congressmen maybe we should re-think the paradigm.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  15. Well Shields is clueless, maybe Kaus, or Doug Schoen, for an liberal panelist, Thiessen or
    Wehner if needs must on the right.

    narciso (3fec35)

  16. You didn’t really mean “awful,” did you? You were being ironic, right?

    No? I guess we don’t always agree.

    The Cruz strategy – to support defunding in lieu of repeal from the floor of the Senate in a 21 hour filibuster – has, with the passage of time, made him and his Tea Party supporters look prescient and principled. It has made his adversaries on the Right – those Bill Buckley called “well fed Republicans” – look foolish and corrupt. Most importantly, it highlighted the fact that ObamaCare is wholly owned by Barack Obama and the Democrats, just as it was about to collapse. Even those voters with the most severe short term memory deficits will have a hard time forgetting Cruz’s take on Jeff Smith. It is precisely because of this strategy that the Democrats and President Obama, himself, are panicking and imploding.

    “Prescient and principled” are not terms regularly associated with elected officials and particularly not those in the Senate. With each passing day, Cruz’s prescience seems increasingly indisputable. In addition, with the histrionics directed at him by not only the Democrats, but also by the Republican elite, the rock-ribbed Cruz is well on his way to becoming a conservative folk-hero in the vein of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan .

    “Awful”? Not even close. I’m not sure “brilliant” is a strong enough word to describe Ted Cruz’s efforts to stop ObamaCare and advance the interests of conservatives, but I’ll settle for it. I don’t think you have to be a Cruz supporter to agree with my analysis.

    ThOR (130453)

  17. I would agree with Byron York, except, he’s as guilty as the others.

    The press had three years to investigate Obamacare and all we got was how great it would be for everyone and shut up if you dissent racists.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  18. They could have gone after the dysfunctions in this plan, from the getgo, but they chose to carry the administration’s water.

    narciso (3fec35)

  19. The not-funny thing, though, is when the employer mandate kicks in, I will not be able to keep my insurance.

    And it really does not matter whether the substitute is better or not.

    What matters is the federal government will not give me a choice unless my plan and my doctor and my hospital is on the exchange.

    That means, really, that you as an American are too stupid to make decisions in your own self-interest.

    I may be stupid, but I don’t need the government to tell me so.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  20. Watching Ryan illustrates again the difference between right and left: thought versus emotion. Been true since the French Revolution and American Revolution and will thus ever be so.

    Patricia (be0117)

  21. ThOR:

    You didn’t really mean “awful,” did you? You were being ironic, right?

    Patterico was being ironic. He’s liked Ted Cruz for some time.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  22. DRJ,

    Thanks. I needed that.

    ThOR

    ThOR (130453)

  23. I had hoped for much better when women finally achieved some stature and power in government and media.

    That’s why I think it’s always important to focus — first and foremost — on a person’s or people’s ideological biases. The lack of that often has meant that in public debate a person’s gender, race, ethnicity, sexuality or religion has instead taken center front stage. So you’ll get liberals like the NOW crowd pretending to be pro-women, when in reality they only give a damn about women if they’re wrapped in a cocoon of leftism. Or you’ll get disingenuous comments like this:

    nydailynews.com, November 15: Oprah Winfrey has never been one to hold her tongue. That remained true when she sat down with BBC’s Will Gompertz and detailed how no one is above the racism that still exists in this world today … not even the President of the United States, Barack Obama.

    “There’s a level of disrespect for the office that occurs in some cases and maybe even many cases because he’s African American,” she said. “There’s no question about that. And it’s the kind of thing no one ever says, but everybody’s thinking it.”

    ^ People like one of America’s biggest limousine liberals can easily play such a dumb game because they’re rarely or never asked that if a black (or female, or Latino, or gay/bi, or Islamic) politician they’re pining for or defending were a conservative, would they still happily weep about that person being subjected to racism or discrimination? THAT is the point “no one truly ever says” or talks about.

    Mark (58ea35)

  24. Eleanor Clift? Talk about tea bagging. I bet she is wishing Obama’s nuts tasted like pecans right about now.

    Rodney King's Spirit (5c6cbf)

  25. R.I.P. Doris Lessing, Nobel Prize-winning author — some of whose work could be classified as Science Fiction or Fantasy

    Icy (24e8ca)

  26. my favorite lie was when food stamp said we have to pass foodstampcare to save the economy

    Rising health care costs are a major driver of our long-term deficits, and getting them under control is crucial if we want to grow the economy, create jobs and compete in the world economy. The Affordable Care Act helps us achieve that goal…

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/economy/reform/deficit-reducing-health-care-reform

    he’s such a lying whore, your president is

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  27. “This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal”.
    Liar.
    How many millions of no info voters bought that one?

    mg (31009b)

  28. he’s not living on the same planet as the rest of us he’s living on some soros whoreboi planet where you have to ask valerie jarrett’s permission to wipe your butt

    but i bet even on that planet the oceans are doing whatever the hell they want irrespective of how many food stamps bernanke prints

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  29. lol happyfeet

    You’re a priceless treasure.

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

  30. mostly i’m just a clamorous malcontent

    but thank you

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  31. “This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal”.

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 11/17/2013 @ 8:53 am

    How many millions of no info voters bought that one?

    Probably not too many. When I heard it I thought this was for an audience that had been prepared for that by otehr things.

    This was the first Tuesday in June, 2008 (June 3) and Obama had just won the Democratic nomination because he won so,me primary. I thought this speech wass given in Chicago, but it says St. Paul, Minnesota, after winning the Minnesota primary. I remember hearing this on the radio. I was outside. In downtown Brooklyn near where the computer club met. I understood it, but I also was ..flabbergasted I suppose. Amazed he would say it.

    The idea of course has something got to do woth carbon dioxode emissions.

    Barack Obama never repeated this again, so far as I know.

    Sammy Finkelman (d7b491)

  32. 20. The not-funny thing, though, is when the employer mandate kicks in, I will not be able to keep my insurance.

    Maybe I don’t get it because I’m not from Chicago. But it strikes me as a bad move to tell what they’re claiming to be the 85% of the population that gets health insurance through their employer that, oh no, they only lied to the 5% of the population that doesn’t.

    But don’t worry, the administration claims. The rest of you are going to be OK. So OK, they had to delay the employer mandate until after the 2014 election.

    There’s a bar in Anchorage called Chilkoot Charlie’s. Their motto is “We cheat the other guy and pass the savings on to you.”

    They meant it as a joke.

    And it really does not matter whether the substitute is better or not.

    …I may be stupid, but I don’t need the government to tell me so.

    Comment by Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 11/16/2013 @ 8:20 pm

    Who couldn’t see that one coming? Now that it’s obvious the lied about keeping what you have, they’re lying about giving you something better.

    In business that’s called bait and switch.

    If I ran my business this way, well first of all I couldn’t because I don’t have a SWAT team to make you pony up. Secondly, I couldn’t then turn around and tell you the product I failed to deliver wasn’t as good as what you ended up with. And then tell you to like it.

    I once had service like this in a Chinese restaurant in San Francisco. I had ordered the Beef Chow Fun. I got some chicken dish. When I complained the waiter said, “Well, you eat that anyway.” We walked out.

    Now that waiter is my president.

    Steve57 (338553)

  33. Notice that it’s not a personal promise – he used sthe passive voice. And also the word “began.”

    “This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal”.

    So this was anticipating an Act of Congress.

    The bill to stop the rise of the oceans and heal the planet, H.R.2454, the American Clean Energy And Security Act of 2009 (also known as the Waxman-Markey Bill)

    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h2454/actions_votes

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Clean_Energy_and_Security_Act

    …passed the House on June 26, 2009, by a vote of 219-212, after its final text had been available to read on the Internet for 7 hours and 26 minutes. The 300-page manager’s amendment was filed at 3:09 am, posted at 3:47 and the bill passed at 11:27.

    John Boehner managed to read most of it out loud on the floor of the House.

    But it died in the Senate, although it wasn’t until July of the next year (2010) that Harry Reid pulled it, saying he’d rather pass a bill dealing wth the BP oil spill.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/23/us/politics/23cong.html?_r=0

    There were 8 Republicans supporting the bill, and 44 Democrats voting against, and 3 members not voting, 2 Republicans and one Democrat. Patrick Kennedy (D-R.I) came out of rehab to vote for the bill, and Ellen Tauscher, (D-CA) just appointed Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Affairs, delayed her resignation.

    Impeached former Federal Judge Alcee Hastings (D-FL) was traveling in Albania, Jeff Flake (R-AZ) had a family confict, and John Sullivan (R-OK), unlike Patrick Kennedy, did not go out of rehab.

    Sammy Finkelman (d7b491)

  34. Is anyone else amused by the fact they’re calling these new plans “more generous?”

    You know, if I wanted a “more generous” insurance plan that payed for maternity care and abortifacients I would have gotten one on my own.

    But after a half century of experience as a male of the species, I discovered I have no use for maternity care or abortifacients. But, no, the bad Chinese waiter cum President tells me to “eat dat anyway.”

    It reminds me of his 2008 platform. He said he had a plan to “help” small business. So I looked at his plan. There were five or six things listed that frankly sent terror through my heart. If I wanted to run my business into the ground, I’d have taken his “help.”

    And, hello? Where’s the economy now?

    Now he’s “helping” the health care system.

    Steve57 (338553)

  35. I can see why Prof. Jacobson lets neo-neocon guest blog on legal insurrection. I could have written this:

    http://neoneocon.com/2013/11/16/the-obamacare-debacle-modified-rapture/

    The Obamacare debacle: modified rapture*

    On one level, the events of the last few weeks have been deeply satisfying. Who wouldn’t feel a certain vindication in seeing one’s predictions come true, and watch the perpetrators running for cover? But I’m having a lot of trouble feeling the requisite joy, because I’m not at all sure that the fundamentals have changed.

    …You know what these acts/omissions are; I probably don’t have to list them. But one of the very first—one that most people don’t even remember—was Honduras, a crisis that occurred in June of 2009, only a few months after Obama took office. I wrote many many posts about Honduras at the time, because it seemed an extremely important indicator of where Obama stood on the issue of tyranny and power-grabs by an executive—and let’s just say it wasn’t on the right (correct) side.

    And yet the MSM covered for him and twisted what was happening into something that sounded almost like the opposite, which was an even more alarming indicator of where they stood. From that point on, there wasn’t much question that Obama was intent on the tyranny path himself, and that the media would for the most part give him a free pass, a scout, and several guides along the way.

    In my very first post on the Honduras crisis, I wrote the following:

    A year ago [June 2008] I might have considered the statement I’m about to make to be a slide into tinfoil hat territory. But now I believe that [Honduran congressman] Mr. Aguilera may be giving Obama way too much credit. I suspect that Obama understands exactly what dangers Chavez and Castro pose, and that he either doesn’t care or that he actually approves.

    Obama has said that he is “deeply concerned” by the news of the removal of Zelaya and that he calls on “all political and social actors in Honduras to respect democratic norms, the rule of law and the tenets of the Inter-American Democratic Charter.” So far it seems, however, that it was actually Zelaya who was violating those rules of law. It also sounds as though Obama’s definition of “democratic norms” might include “one person, one vote, one time.”

    …What happened in Honduras may seem like a far cry from Obamacare—or, more accurately, from Obama’s statements about Obamacare and his changes to it by executive fiat. But the common thread is a president who thinks the Constitution is whatever he says it is, and who can flout it at will if it serves his purposes, and who supports the right of other leaders on the left to do the same in their countries…

    What I fear we won’t recover from is the fact he was elected twice.

    Steve57 (338553)

  36. Clint knew an empty chair when he saw one.

    mg (31009b)

  37. calling these new plans “more generous”

    That’s one of about 4 halfdf-truths ior lies. I find worse all this talk of people being “covered” like it would be 100% insurance.

    The new plans have prescription drug coverage (Obama’s favorite new benefit); one co-pay-free doctor visit a year; maternity; birth control with no co-pay; substance abuse and rehab; mental health; no annual or lifetime limits; no exclusions and no higher price for all pre-existing conditions except date of birth and smoking; and maximum out of pocket costs of a little more than $6,000 per adult.

    But they also have limited networks; and often no compensation whatsoever for out of network costs; and sometimes no way to avoid out of network providers even if you want to; high deductibles; and nothing out of network counts against the deductible; deductibles, co-insurance and co-pays calculated so that for the silver (recommended) plans, the insurance will overall pay – if things go as planned – only 70% of health care care costs, (platinum is 90%, gold, 80% and bronze is 60%; possible clawbacks of income based premium reductions taken from future income tax refunds, although not of co-pay reductions if Icy is right; penalties for having 3 or more cosective months of no insurance; virtually compulsory Medicaid for some people, with enormous clawbacks possible there too, even if you didn’t see any doctors; and gaps in coverage if you change your place of residence.

    Sammy Finkelman (d7b491)

  38. 33. “Minnesota primary” There were caucuses in Minnesota. Taht sounds right. Wiki-quotes did not correct that in the main page, even though somebody noted it in the nopotes. I also think he wass in Chicago, but maybe that wa son Election Day, November 4, 2008.

    Sammy Finkelman (d7b491)

  39. Sammy-I don’t care where,or when he said it. He said it.

    mg (31009b)

  40. ”So far it seems, however, that it was actually Zelaya who was violating those rules of law. It also sounds as though Obama’s definition of “democratic norms” might include “one person, one vote, one time.”

    That incident to me also was the first sign of the canary starting to droop in the coal mine. However, of course, it was Obama’s embrace of a fanatic like Jeremiah Wright that really was the original “oh-oh” moment.

    But, more recently, I’m not totally sure where Obama’s full, real sympathies lie with cases of the Muslim Brotherhood and Egypt or similar groups in Syria. The innate ideological biases of ultra-liberals like Obama are so devoid of common sense, that it’s never a sure thing who or what they’ll side with, or why.

    Mark (58ea35)

  41. 37. Honduras. I always thought that was fealty to legality (yes, Obama himself looks for loopholes, but still.)

    Honduras didn’t have an impeachment clause in its constitution, or Zerlaya would have been out of there faster than Blagojevich.

    Fortunately, that ended all right anyway and Obama would not go along with the Chavez position that a free election did not wipe out all the problems with the legitimacy of the Honduran government.

    Later, Obama almost endorsed the removal of Morsi in Egypt and that too was legitimate because…

    Leaving aside voter ignorance or the ability of the democratic oppposition to organize:

    1) Morsi had never been elected to a position with known and outlined powers, and at the time of his election, it looked like the only way to have some counterweight to the military/old regime, so he won a runoff between two bad people.

    2) He had won election only in a runoff, between 2 people who each got barely over 25% of the vote in the first round.

    3) Morsi virtually forced Egypt to approve his constitution on pain of assuming dictatorial powers.

    4) The Moslem Brotherhood violated campaign pledges as to how the constitution was going to be written.

    So Morsi wasn’t really legitimate. Maybe his election was but the constitution under which he held office, wasn’t.

    Add to this:

    5) He seemed incompetent, and focused only on cementing Moslem Brotherhood influence and control, and he was starting to appoint some really suspect people to important positions.

    Sammy Finkelman (d7b491)

  42. Honduras. I always thought that was fealty to legality (yes, Obama himself looks for loopholes, but still.)

    You’re an amusing guy, Sammy. I hope you’re not serious. Because one thing he’s demonstrating is that the law means nothing to him.

    His ObamaCare fix is the height of lawlessness. He does not have the power to do what he says he’s going to do.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAC0H5Sx3wo

    It’s rare to see talking heads on MSNBC saying John Boehner is right and Obama is wrong.

    As an aside, it also will be impossible to implement. Robert Laszewski tore his fix apart on Megyn Kelly’s show.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWPdfY5N_jc

    Robert Laszewski: ObamaCare fix is ‘logistically impossible’

    That’s a great video. Because as the gentleman points out, the latest administration lie is that the insurance companies are making a business decision to cancel policies.

    Yet that lie is immediately undercut by the fact the Preezy announced a “fix.” If the feds aren’t forcing the insurance companies to cancel policies, how can the feds “fix” the problem?

    Of course the “fix” doesn’t fix anything. The Obama administration is planning to lie their way through this. So they want to be able to blame the insurance companies for following the law and the regulations as written by Prom Queen and Sebelius. It’s too late to let people keep their policies. Tiger Beat has already caused too much damage. Now he’s making the problem worse by telling the insurers to reverse course and fix the problems he’s been creating since March 2010, and get it all done by the middle of next month.

    It’s an impossible task. But that’s the point. When these insurers fail to reconstitute the old system in a few weeks after he’s been taking a wrecking ball to it for years, he’s going to blame the insurance companies for his screw up.

    This is where I see his malevolence and incompetence combine to become greater than the sum of their parts. He doesn’t fully understand the complexity of what he’s demanding of the insurance industry. He understands it’s impossible. But he thinks the rest of us are too stupid to understand just how impossible this is.

    He doesn’t stop to consider a lot of us who have had experience actually doing something besides falling in love with the sound of our voices can see through this. We know better than he does that the insurance companies will not be able to do this 180 degree turn in time to meet his deadlines, and why that’s the case.

    But Prom Queen thinks he’s so slick we’ll fall for it. Guess what, Tiger Beat, if some people don’t already know this is another lie in the making, the insurance companies will tell them all about it. Obama said he wants people to know that Obamacare isn’t the reason they’re getting their policies cancelled. Yes, it is, and insurance companies will make sure their subscribers know it, too.

    Steve57 (338553)

  43. Seas stoppers rising yada yada

    —Barack Obama never repeated this again, so far as I know.

    So he only publicly proclaimed himself a demigod once. Liberals have standards… their minuscule but they are standards.

    red (ac28a9)

  44. —I wrote many many posts about Honduras at the time, because it seemed an extremely important indicator of where Obama stood on the issue of tyranny and power-grabs by an executive—and let’s just say it wasn’t on the right (correct) side.

    Yes. This was an early frightening tell that we were no longer on the side of Freedom and transparent government.

    red (ac28a9)


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