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11/8/2013

Polls – Unfit Parent – Open Thread

Filed under: General — JD @ 11:56 am

[guest post by JD]

Some of the trolls liked to point at polls to prove how pointy their heads were. The newest Pew poll shows that the leftist bubble of epistemic closure and collectivist thought is still going strong.

Disapprove – 59% on healthcare. 65% on economy. 60% on immigration. 56% on foreign policy.

In other news, in NYC, a father is deemed to be an unfit parent by a court appointed shrink (that he had to pay for) for not giving in to a child’s temper tantrum over not going to McDonald’s for dinner. I thought Bloomberg outlawed fast food? Don’t take that literally, Sammy.

Oregon beaten by Standford 26-20, their furious rally in the 4th quarter fell short.

Baylor thumped Oklahoma 41-12, so 1 of the 2 more entertaining teams showed up last night.

HAPPY VETERANS DAY to all that served.

—JD

139 Responses to “Polls – Unfit Parent – Open Thread”

  1. Ding

    JD (1d1ef1)

  2. “Here’s to us!”

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  3. It is a nice touch that Veteran’s Day falls this year on the 11th of November.
    We all need to pay a little respect at the
    Eleventh Hour, of the
    Eleventh Day, of the
    Eleventh Month,
    for those who gave so much, for those that gave all!

    askeptic (2bb434)

  4. Well, if the kid likes to eat at McDonald’s, he risks being unfit.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  5. Bloomberg did not outlaw fast foods, but he did take a big stand against transfats, and now the FDA is about to outlaw it.

    Sammy Finkelman (9e0380)

  6. But Washington’s Birthday – and it is still legally called Washington’s Birthday – there is no such federal holiday as President’s day – can never come out on February 22 anymore.

    Sammy Finkelman (9e0380)

  7. The United Nations caused an epidemic of cholera in Haiti, now spreading into the Dominican Republic, Mexico and Cuba, but is claiming legal immunity.

    Sammy Finkelman (9e0380)

  8. Good Allah, Sammy.

    JD (1d1ef1)

  9. We’re still in the dark ages about medicines.

    There’s nothing so special about transfats. Lots of things create problems, or do so in the absence of other nutrients.

    Desn’t anybody think if food can cause problems, what about something so artificial as the contents of pills? Some are more harmful than smoking.

    Every pill, every new generic with a different filler, may be suspect.

    Sammy Finkelman (9e0380)

  10. #8 applies to what?

    Sammy Finkelman (9e0380)

  11. I don’t understand why the FDA is outlawing transfats. Per the Administration statistics department. It impacts way less of the population than the extremely low number of people losing their health insurance (20,000 vs 15.7 million).

    As my co-worker said while seeing the transfat ban “Is this really happening?”

    DejectedHead (a094a6)

  12. But Washington’s Birthday – and it is still legally called Washington’s Birthday – there is no such federal holiday as President’s day – can never come out on February 22 anymore.

    And the Queen’s Birthday is never on 21-April.

    Milhouse (b95258)

  13. It is a nice touch that Veteran’s Day falls this year on the 11th of November.

    It does that every year.

    Milhouse (b95258)

  14. The FDA should outlaw the Obama Administration.
    Obama has added more than enough fat to our national debt.
    And all of his policies give millions of Americans heartburn and idndigestion, not to mention migraine headaches.

    I’d rather take my chances with a Big Gulp at 7-11. Or whatever.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  15. I think it’s discrimination to single out trans-fats. I thought they promised to treat everything fairly…especially fats that are struggling with their gender identity.

    DejectedHead (a094a6)

  16. This thread is giving me a sarcasm…

    Colonel Haiku (9b8fed)

  17. The war on trans fats is not very well founded.

    Milhouse (b95258)

  18. Sonuva b*tch…

    Colonel Haiku (9b8fed)

  19. I think it’s discrimination to single out trans-fats. I thought they promised to treat everything fairly…especially fats that are struggling with their gender identity.

    Oooh, we mustn’t call them “fats”. They’re “molecules of size”. Or something.

    Milhouse (b95258)

  20. there is many healthy food what you can get at mcdonald’s

    for example you can get a tasty hamburger!

    or you can get a tasty Premium McWrap with grilled chickens instead of fried

    you can even get a small order of french fries as long as you understand that fries are a sometimes food

    they also make a decent nonfat latte

    all in all in my view it’s perfectly ok to take your son to mcdonald’s and sit down with him and laugh and eat some foozle and talk to him about what a heinous slag his mother is

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  21. It’s not just artificial fats that have transfats, butter has transfats. These people are fools or idiots.

    htom (412a17)

  22. I saw the article about the guy with the kid throwing a McDonald’s tantrum. I lived that nightmare in California. They could take up to 40% of your salary for child support. Gil Garcetti’s office had a bench warrant out for my arrest because they sent the paperwork that was suppose to go my employer to verify my income to me instead. I called and told one of his assistants about the mistake. She said that they would resend the request. I asked if I could give the paperwork to my employer, and she said I couldn’t. I asked if I was stopped for a traffic infraction could I be arrested prior to the paperwork submission. She said it was possible. When I asked her to send me something stating that, she said she couldn’t. I asked if I could tape the conversation, and she said I couldn’t.

    Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157 (f7d5ba)

  23. In Israel, Israeli Independence Day now comes out on the 5th of Iyar only a third of the time, and only if it is on a Wednesday.

    Sammy Finkelman (9e0380)

  24. The person who got into trouble about his son, told his son he could to anywhere else, or eat nothing, and the boy chose nothing. Really, of course, that’s not a terrible thing – if he really was hungry he’d agree to go somewhere. True, he could have taken him any place else.

    Sammy Finkelman (9e0380)

  25. Theer is a possible extremely easy and complete treatment to rid the body of hepatitus C, or will be as soon as it ets approved – but each pill will cost something like $1,000.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/05/health/hepatitis-c-a-silent-killer-meets-its-match.html?hpw&rref=science

    Sammy Finkelman (9e0380)

  26. Well the value to the buyer is very high.

    Sammy Finkelman (9e0380)

  27. Any pure cream butter I’ve ever eaten (and I eat a lot) has not had transfats. Butter has loads of saturated fat but not transfat. The carton is clear on this. I try not to eat trans fats because I don’t think they are good for me. But that Jacobson nannny from Center for Science in the Public Interest is a show boating idiot and generally a menace to society and he should be shunned not encouraged in his endeavors.

    elissa (d0035d)

  28. I guess the whole side effect of the whole healthcare reform is showing it’s ugly head with the transfats decision.

    “We have to ban it because if you make the wrong decision and eat it, we’ll be stuck with the bill.” -Big Government

    DejectedHead (a094a6)

  29. mister happyfeet, mcdonald’s is total crap.
    if it were a car, it would be a yugo.
    if it were a president, it would be obama.

    if you want to have a milkshake at a clown’s house, go get yourself an invitation to a white house dinner. or something.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  30. they also have a tasty salad Mr. Elephant – it’s called the Premium Bacon Ranch Salad with Grilled Chicken

    it’s very tasty and the man could have ordered one of them and sat down with his buger-lovin kid and told him about how if your fat slag of a mother ate more salad then maybe you wouldn’t be living in a broken home building up gobs of emotional scar tissue that all but ensures your own marriage will fail miserably one day

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  31. *burger*-lovin kid I mean

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  32. mister happyfeet, i’m sure that crappy fake salad tastes good. cheetos taste good. but it is still devoid of nutrition.
    but if you like your crappy mcdonald’s junk food, you can keep it. period. *

    *asterisk

    unless mayor bloomberg’s fascist boot comes down on you. or unless president obama is telling another lie.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  33. Extrra, extra: CBS apologizes for recent Benghazi report:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/business/media/cbs-correspondent-apologizes-for-report-on-benghazi-attack.html?hp

    Ms. Logan said on “CBS This Morning’’ that the news division was misled by the officer, Dylan Davies, adding, “We will apologize to our viewers, and we will correct the record on our broadcast on Sunday night.” …. Hours later, the publisher of “The Embassy House,” Threshold Editions, an imprint of Simon & Schuster that specializes in conservative nonfiction, said in a statement that it would stop selling the book.

    The apology by Ms. Logan followed the disclosure by The New York Times Thursday evening that Mr. Davies had provided the F.B.I. an account that contradicted the version of events he provided “60 Minutes.’’ On the show, and in the book, Mr. Davies presented a vivid, on-scene description of the attack, including his own role as a participant in the action.

    But Mr. Davies told the F.B.I. that he was not on the scene until the next morning, according to two senior government officials who were briefed on the investigation of the attack. That account, the officials said, is consistent with an incident report produced by the Blue Mountain security business, which had been hired to protect United States interests in Benghazi and which employed Mr. Davies.

    Ms. Logan said on Friday that Mr. Davies denied the substance of the incident report, adding “and he said that he told the F.B.I. the same story that he had told us. But what we now know is that he told the F.B.I. a different story to what he told us…

    Everything makes more sense actually, if he was lying, because I did know something about the events of that night from what I read, and it wasn’t quite consistent with that.

    Sammy Finkelman (9e0380)

  34. The best french fries are fried in goose fat.

    mg (31009b)

  35. #35 I’d get down with that.

    DejectedHead (a094a6)

  36. I love being an active participant in American consumption rituals Mr. Elephant

    it’s who I am

    consumption is the hymn of those who’ve gone before and those who carry on

    this is why the fascists keep trying to control what and how we can consume what we please

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  37. The FBI that didn’t get there, for three weeks, I wonder,

    narciso (3fec35)

  38. mister happyfeet, you sound too much like sean hannity…”i’m going to eat at mcdonald’s to piss off liberals !”

    barf city.
    mcdonald’s is crap.
    sure, you can eat some mcnuggets or have a milkshake every once in a while. but eating there too often is not good.

    if you eat more healthy, you can piss off the liberals with your lean, mean, physique.
    then the liberal girls will say about you, “hey, there goes mister happyfeet. he’s fit. i want to be his happy meal.”

    and then people will associate lean, mean, physiques with good ol’ conservative mister happyfeet

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  39. mcdonald’s is your friend on a dark night in an unfamiliar place you see the arches and you just stop in and maybe order a 4-pc chicken nugget thinger for a snack and get a diet coke and they have wifi and you can go bathroom and get a latte to go

    if we didn’t have us no mcdonald’s we’d have to invent it all over from scritcher scratcher

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  40. i would have figured you would have been more of a ‘jack in the box’ kind of guy

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  41. mister happyfeet, don’t forget to watch some screwball comedies on TCM every friday nite this month.
    laughs, romance, and witty dialogue—nobody is opposed to that.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  42. elissa, butter has measurable transfats (although not nearly as much as margarine, and they’re natural, not artificial, transfats.) Part of the problem is that people are banning transfats, not artificial transfats. How much (if any) difference there is in the human body isn’t known. I suspect that we make some transfats internally anyway.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/07/dining/07tran.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

    htom (412a17)

  43. For the joiners among us:

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/christie-juggernaut_766435.html?nopager=1

    Based on 2012, the Guv should be pleased with a distant third in the MN caucus.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  44. mister happyfeet, don’t forget to watch some screwball comedies on TCM every friday nite this month.
    laughs, romance, and witty dialogue—nobody is opposed to that.

    Au contraire, Elephant Stone: screwball comedies objectify women as passive objects of male sexual conquest while affirming the message of the patriarchy that women are ditzy, dizzy, and incapable of flying military jets or coaching in the NFL.

    JVW (709bc7)

  45. 43. What they’ll do is create the same process we have with milk. The whole milk gets torn down into its constituents and then re-formulated.

    That was the problem a year or two ago when fraudulent Chinese melamine in a number of states.

    Its approaching the point that if someone runs for office they should be summarily terminated as a menace to society.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  46. Mac & Dons coffee is the best. Newman’s is good stuff.
    I wish the owners of Mac & Dons would have a Chicken Filet moment so I can go have another Big Mac and Large Fries. Ahh, make it two Big Mac’s.

    mg (31009b)

  47. “HAPPY VETERANS DAY to all that served” …

    And a good and thoughtful Remembrance Day (poppy optional) to all, both those who served *and* those who carried out the other functions so that those who served could serve !

    Alastor (126343)

  48. It’s non-stop bad news for months and months to come.

    As I’ve pointed out several times, it’s much better to look at aggregations of polls rather than any single poll.

    Looking at the RCP average we can see some deterioration of Obama’s favorability numbers, particularly since the brief spike in late october (which I had argued at the time could* have indicated a reversal of the slide since re-election, but ultimately didn’t.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

    (* I’d like to point out I said at the time we’d need more polling to be sure there had been a reversal, and this is exactly why the late october boost was either a statistical artifact or a short term bounce, in either case it did not persist)

    Looking at the generic ballot we see the dems maintain a 6 point advantage over the gop. This lead has persisted about a month now. It’s also right about the magnitude of lead that Prof. Sam Wang at the Princeton Electoral Commission says the dems need to take back the house.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/generic_congressional_vote-2170.html

    Finally we can look at the health care law polling, which is still +6 from where it was before the exchanges opened. Again I want to point out this polling is not consistent with the righty meme that the roll out has been a complete disaster and millions are losing their health insurance only to find prices far higher for worse coverage on the exchange.

    Something is wrong between those two. And frankly given that one is a self serving narrative based on anecdotes and the other is hard polling data I think it’s a real easy call which one is wrong. If you think it’s the polling that’s in error I direct you here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012

    Tlaloc (45c5b7)

  49. The Jewish daddy should have called his mother before, not after like he did. She would have told him what to do which is “Feed the kid, he’s only four, and you only see him every other weekend, schmuck.” He sounds like a whiny little b*tch, anyway, and probably is an unfit father, McDonald’s or no McDonald’s.

    As for McDonald’s per se, my attitude: http://imgur.com/aFF3nQU

    nk (dbc370)

  50. Aggregation of polls is feasible to track trends, Tlaloc, if the questions over the various polls and over the timeframes are comparable. (We’ve already gone over this issue–Remember?) But when a big event occurs (like Katrina, or 9-ll, or Obamacare’s catastrophic roll out and the president exposed as a liar) the poll(s) immediately following the event with specific questions about it are where you get the news and where the new trend line starts. Obama and the Dems are in trouble with the American public, especially independents. Sooner or later you should probably face that.

    elissa (87e2bc)

  51. i hate obama now that i see obamacare for what it is

    i can’t believe how much he lied to get my vote now I’m probably going to die cause my policy got canceled and I can’t make the website work

    and it’s all obama’s fault

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  52. i hate obama more than spiders is how much i hate him

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  53. Fois Gras butter on top of a quarter pounder with cheese would be a big seller at Mac & Don’s.

    mg (31009b)

  54. You can get it with bacon. And for a dollar more, extra bacon. That’s good, too.

    nk (dbc370)

  55. Jewel has microwavable real BBQ pork ribs, NOT FROZEN, $10.00 for a slab, now. Nuke them for three minutes and eat them right from the plastic sleeve.

    nk (dbc370)

  56. I love coronary care burgers with extra bacon.

    mg (31009b)

  57. maybe order a 4-pc chicken nugget thinger for a snack and get a diet coke

    The idiotic, harmful nature of fake sugar and the original assumption that fat and not sugar was bad for weight gain and one’s health is right up there with the idiocy of fretting about carbon dioxoide and global warming. BTW, studies have found that “diet” foods or drinks — loaded down with crappy artificial sugar — not only don’t help lower caloric intake, they actually trigger more hunger pangs in people.

    As for sugar or carbs in general, it’s much more deleterious to human health than far too many medical or even fitness experts want to admit or emphasize. Even today, there are still “low fat” or “non fat” products scattered throughout a grocery store, but almost nothing that touts “low sugar” or “non-sugar,” meaning sweetened without nasty fake sugar.

    Keep this in mind — and also the idea that the human body is no more complicated than the Earth’s atmosphere, and, if anything, is more accessible and self-contained — when supposed experts express great confidence in the idea of global warming.

    i can’t believe how much he lied to get my vote now

    So, happyfeet, are you now admitting that you voted for Barry last year, or at least in 2008? If so, I always detected plenty of squish, if not outright left-leaning social compulsions, in you.

    Mark (58ea35)

  58. Looking at the generic ballot we see the dems maintain a 6 point advantage over the gop.

    Tlaloc, I wouldn’t be so irked about people like you if a magic wand could be waved over your heads and you all ended up in the epitome of liberalism gone berserk: the city of Detroit, Michigan. Or if those among you who have young kids were required to send them to typical urban schools where Democrat/liberal politics run amok. Better yet, if you were transported to the nirvana that is Venezuela or Mexico, or were made to stand in the unemployment line in France, or had to stretch your money in Argentina.

    Beautiful, lovely, compassionate, teary-eyed liberals deserve the best.

    Mark (58ea35)

  59. no i didn’t vote at all last time

    i was in st. augustine florida

    this place is kind of a pit I thought and got in my scoot scoot and went to dinneywhirl

    the new fantasyland wasn’t open yet, but it was fun

    Epcot is gayer than what happened when Putin’s tailor discovered velcro

    but Florida is undersung by the poets of our time

    there is beauty there, and lots of just folks, and no end of things to see and do

    and also an ungodly number of anti-abortion billboards

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  60. It says open thread, doesn’t it?

    Something from Herman Cain, motivated by references to him in Double Down:
    Truth wins: The facts that destroy the allegations made against me in 2011

    Ibidem (f7edd2)

  61. Elissa – the Pew poll is notoriously biased towards conservatives. It should be ignored.

    JD (1d1ef1)

  62. Re ; # 35. Darn it, you gave away the secret. Yes, duck fat makes the best fries. It is also good for zucchini.

    Michael M. Keohane (43c772)

  63. Anecdotes don’t need health insurance, and of course, are racist.

    Zients is still claiming capacity problems for the website, which I find amusing. Network analyzers, how do they work?

    Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157 (f7d5ba)

  64. Fetch the lions, they do not give the Emperor his due;

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/11/08/CNN-Blames-Christians-for-Obamacare-Problems

    narciso (3fec35)

  65. I’m thinking that story is some kind of hoax. It reads like one.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  66. nk – I think people need to relax about letting the government take care of us and decide what’s best for us. After all, just look at how well the American Indian fared under that approach.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  67. Tort Reform has become the new “N” word.
    No one wants to talk about it.
    Go figure.

    mg (31009b)

  68. mg – some of us know what Tort Reform can do to enhance the US economy in many, many ways … and we bring it up – especially “Loser Pays” – at intervals … of course, one of the top three groups funding the Projective Party realises that “Loser Pays” would be Kryptonite to their super-earnings …

    Alastor (2e7f9f)

  69. The ambulance chasing lawyers are a greedy group.

    mg (31009b)

  70. not giving in to a child’s temper tantrum over not going to McDonald’s for dinner

    From the absurdity of that to the absurdity of the following…

    dcclothesline.com, November 7, 2013: James Manning recently interviewed a high school friend of Barack Obama, who claims to have known him back in the 1970s as Barry Soetoro. Mia Marie Pope says that Obama identified himself as a foreigner and a crack-smoking homosexual.

    Ms. Pope was born in 1962, in California, and moved with her family to Hawaii when she was still an infant. Pope claims that she did not meet or see Barry Soetoro until about 1977. She said that she, Barry and other kids would hang out at the beach at Waikiki. Mia Marie Pope says that Barry Soetoro “always portrayed himself as a foreign student.”

    While Soetoro was a little older than her and didn’t always run around with the circle of friends that she had, Pope says that he “very much was in sort of the ‘gay community,’” which she says that even back then was “thriving.”

    “We knew Barry as, just common knowledge, that girls were never anything that he was ever interested in, and as a young teenager…as a young girl…it was clear to me that Barry was strictly into men,” Pope said. She also indicated that she had no desires for him and said that they didn’t get along, largely in part to the fact that he was “a pathological liar, even back then.”

    Pope said that Soetoro’s lies were “egotistical” and always to “boost himself.” She referenced Barry “bumming cigarettes,” and said that as soon as someone would give him a cigarette, he would instantly turn and walk away, after he had gotten what he wanted. In Pope’s words, “He seemed to be incapable or genuine about anything.”

    Pope said that Barry Soetoro was always “getting with these older white men.” She recognized that he was one that had cocaine, which she said was “newsworthy” in the groups she hung out in. They then began to believe it was Soetoro’s engagements (ie. Homosexual acts) with these older white men is how he “procured” cocaine.

    When asked by Manning why she came forward, and others were not, she said that because she it is a Christian and deeply concerned about her country. She says that if Barack Obama was doing a “good job” today, then she would not worry about his past. She wondered when Obama first came on the scene if he had, in fact, “changed his ways.” Apparently, according to Pope, he had not. Pope said that she didn’t care about his homosexuality or the fact that he used drugs in the past, but was concerned about who he was as an adult.

    The US will never live down that fateful day back in November 2008. We truly jumped the shark on that occasion, and there’s no going back. This era will long be a Twilight-Zone-like moment in American history.

    Mark (58ea35)

  71. Thanks for that, Mark. We are all shocked that you found that.

    JD (5c1832)

  72. LOL, JD– can you even imagine what Mark’s google search history must look like?

    elissa (b95a79)

  73. Is Rev. Manning Racist?
    I yearn for the day he is interviewed by rev. al.

    mg (31009b)

  74. the question what follows then is if you put obama in the middle of a circle and you put a loaded-up crack pipe on one side and a penis on the other side, which way would he go?

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  75. you get dizzy just thinking about it

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  76. @ 74, 76:
    The story in 73 was just a few links away from here; I saw it yesterday.
    Didn’t post it ’cause I don’t find all that too plausible.
    I mean, you think Obama’s Kenyan or Muslim? If he were, he would be a better/more conservative president than he is.

    He has more of the behavior of a Chicago union politician/university communist, so I see no basis for doubting that his parents were those he claimed.

    ~I. Dunham
    (I dare you to comment)

    Ibidem (f7edd2)

  77. 80- Frank Marshall Davis

    mg (31009b)

  78. Why are these late stories about Barry Soetero a surprise ? deBlasio married a lesbian. On the left, it’s all OK>

    MikeK (dc6ffe)

  79. huh?

    epwj (1ea63e)

  80. Four pages!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  81. We are all shocked that you found that.

    JD, the fact your response is a sardonic one reflects just how desensitized we have all become, meaning you, me, the public in general.

    It wasn’t that long ago when the scenario of a Barry in the White House would have been implausible or unthinkable to me. I’d have said: No way! Only bad Hollywood fiction would dream up a character like Barry Soetero.

    Moreover, I’m not even factoring in the peculiar or disreputable biases out there, of a Bill Clinton with his snide he’d-have-been-serving-us-in-a-hotel comment about Obama to Ted Kennedy, or the recently publicized (and grotesquely surprising) bigotry of another icon of American liberalism, Franklin D Roosevelt, and his antipathy towards Jews, Asians and undoubtedly blacks too.

    Mark (58ea35)

  82. Why are these late stories about Barry Soetero a surprise?

    Even so — and this shows just how much benefit of the doubt I give to anyone, even a Barry O — when I saw that blog’s entry regarding the interview with a former classmate of Obama, I did have a slight bit of suspicion about the accuracy of all the comments of the interviewee. But then I added up various stories from other sources — which all follow a similar pattern — and so if I had to bet on the authenticity of such accounts, I’d bet they were legit.

    Mark (58ea35)

  83. It’s possible, even likely, that Barry Soetoro played every affirmative action card to compensate for his mediocre academics including the foreign student card. I have always suspected that he had three birth certificates 1) Barack Hussein Obama amended to 2) Barry Soetoro amended back to 3) Barack Hussein Obama. All that other stuff, PHOOEY! You don’t think Emil Jones and the Machine crawled up his rectum checking him out before they put their weight behind him even for his first run as state senator? If there was the smallest whiff of down-low, he’d still be community organizing.

    nk (dbc370)

  84. that Jacobson nannny from Center for Science in the Public Interest is a show boating idiot and generally a menace to society and he should be shunned not encouraged in his endeavors.

    Second the motion. I have a general rule that if CSPI is against something, that creates a rebuttable presumption that it’s good.

    Milhouse (b95258)

  85. “JD, the fact your response is a sardonic one reflects just how desensitized we have all become, meaning you, me, the public in general.”

    Mark – I disagree. I think it reflects our lack of surprise given your obsession with posting snippets of information suggesting gay or bisexual behavior of public figures. Nothing more than that.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  86. If there was the smallest whiff of down-low, he’d still be community organizing.

    nk, I think you’re being naive, certainly when it comes to the MO of the left. If Obama were a Republican, a conservative surrounded by like-minded people, then I think your assumption would be more well grounded. IOW, scandal or hints of scandal surrounding a public figure tends to turn off the right more than the left. That’s one reason why corruption is more likely to flourish when liberals are dominant and in charge.

    Also, in this post-Clinton-Monica era, everyone is more dumbed down and desensitized than before. So I can easily imagine Obama’s sycophants (and handlers, and supporters) saying “he’s bisexual?! So what!!”

    I think it reflects our lack of surprise given your obsession with posting snippets of information suggesting gay or bisexual behavior of public figures.

    daleyrocks, can you easily, truly claim that behavior that would have surprised or shocked you years ago is just as surprising and shocking today?

    As for “obsession,” if America in 2013 (and certainly modern-day liberals) weren’t making the GLBT community analogous to black Americans in the 1960s, or before, then, yea, raising the subject of matters like Obama’s bisexuality (who, after all, is now a big supporter of same-sex marriage and a rainbow-flag-ized US military) could be deemed obsessive.

    Mark (58ea35)

  87. 80- Frank Marshall Davis

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 11/9/2013 @ 2:16 pm

    I’m aware of who he is, and the connection to Obama, but don’t see how it pertains to my post.

    ~I. Dunham

    Ibidem (f7edd2)

  88. I am not sardonic. I am insouciant.

    JD (fbae06)

  89. “daleyrocks, can you easily, truly claim that behavior that would have surprised or shocked you years ago is just as surprising and shocking today?”

    Mark – I don’t know what you are asking or why it is relevant to your creepy obsession with posting comments describing the sexual preferences of public figures?

    If you claim we have become desensitized to such behavior and it is no big deal, why do you make such an effort to post comments which include descriptions of such behavior? I think that’s what has commenters here so curious. Is it pure immaturity on your part, repressed homosexuality, or a range of other explanations?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  90. Mark – I don’t know what you are asking or why it is relevant to your creepy obsession with posting comments describing the sexual preferences of public figures?

    Come on now, daleyrocks. You’re just being disingenuous, because you know full well that the agenda of “GLBT” is a major cause celebe of the left in today’s era. This ain’t the quaint, humble past. Or, worse, you’re sincerely in sync with the “race card” mentality, meaning that for various reasons you’re wanting to shoot the messenger. If so, that merely confirms my sense that this society — both politically and culturally — is going off the deep end. Which is find and dandy, but just don’t be surprised, disappointed or unhappy about liberalism in the US showing signs of becoming increasingly pervasive, increasingly dominant.

    When people grumble about things like Obamacare, rocketing deficits, tricky closures of parks and monuments, Nidal Hasan, the NSA, taxes and the IRS, Benghazi, etc, etc, the saying that often crosses my mind is: “The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves.”

    Mark (58ea35)

  91. What do you think needs to be done to solve the “gay and bi problem”, Mark? I almost hesitate to ask but I feel I must.

    elissa (b95a79)

  92. I am not sardonic. I am insouciant.

    JD, you’re merely a reflection of opinion polls that show a larger percentage of the public does have an increasingly liberal POV about various issues (eg, Patterico has always expressed support of the idea of same-sex marraige). I think that’s one reason why no less than the US military — and NOT the ACLU, or NOW, or NAACP, or Emily’s List, etc — is revealing symptoms of a similarly altered mindset.

    C’est la vie.

    Mark (58ea35)

  93. I almost hesitate to ask but I feel I must.

    Elissa, I have to ask you the same question I raised previously: Do you find yourself becoming more desensitized about socio-cultural issues that would have surprised or shocked you in the past? I know I am. I therefore realize that if such a reaction is happening to me, then imagine what’s going on in apolitical, or squishy, or left-leaning people. And then imagine how such a response is being duplicated in socio-political matters that run the gamut from A to Z.

    Mark (58ea35)

  94. No, you answer the question Mark. It’s a fair one and it’s long past time you put your money where your mouth is. Gay Americans exist. Bisexual Americans exist. Some gays are Republican. There are even organizations for gay Republicans. We straight people have gay friends, gay business associates and perhaps gay relatives and we often find your comments offensive. Clearly this subject makes you uncomfortable and it shows. Clearly you think it’s a problem.

    So again I ask, “what do you think needs to be done to solve the homosexual “problem”, Mark?

    elissa (b95a79)

  95. I am not reflecting anything, Mark. I am just noting that I am not the least bit surprised that you would again insert your obsession with homosexuality into the discussion.

    JD (5c1832)

  96. Ah, but JD, if I was going to go into a dark alley in the fabulous part of downtown, who else would you want at your back but Mark?

    On second thought …

    SPQR (768505)

  97. “Come on now, daleyrocks. You’re just being disingenuous, because you know full well that the agenda of “GLBT” is a major cause celebe of the left in today’s era. This ain’t the quaint, humble past.”

    Mark – I’m sorry, but I’m not the commenter with the creepy obsession. How far back to do you believe we have to go to find this quaint humble past of which you speak and why don’t you answer questions asked of you?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  98. Meanwhile, judt how far are we from Obama “occupying” electronics store to ensure no “price gouging” on the price of iPods?

    SPQR (768505)

  99. He’s like Demosthenes and Henry Clay, not really;

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/us/politics/obama.html?ref=politics&_r=0

    narciso (3fec35)

  100. So again I ask, “what do you think needs to be done to solve the homosexual “problem”, Mark?

    Elissa, the very fact you ask that question in the context of the increasingly aggressive pro-GLBT activism and sentiment throughout this society is, of and by itself, a reflection of why modern-day liberalism is becoming entrenched to a degree that even cynics wouldn’t have predicted awhile back. Your question is somewhat analogous to American leftists posing the query of “what needs to be done about the problem of reparations for American slavery?”

    If you, JD, daleyrocks, SPQR, etc, are puzzled by the innate benefit of the doubt that liberals/Democrats (politicians included) receive from a majority of the American populace — and current opinion polls reveal exactly that, and have revealed that for years — you’re not looking in the mirror. This is why I do not doubt the correctness of assuming that figureheads like Hillary Clinton do have the upper hand in 2016, in spite of the debacle of Obama. It’s why I’m the last to be perplexed if Republican candidates now and in the future are squishy.

    In the US with its “red” and “blue” states, if the colors change, they will be either to blue or, at most, purple. And with the mid-point of the socio-political spectrum increasingly left of where it was years ago, even “purple” will be fairly liberal.

    Mark (58ea35)

  101. “If you, JD, daleyrocks, SPQR, etc, are puzzled by the innate benefit of the doubt that liberals/Democrats (politicians included) receive from a majority of the American populace — and current opinion polls reveal exactly that, and have revealed that for years — you’re not looking in the mirror.”

    Mark – Oh dear. Once again you miss the point in an attempt to avoid answering questions. You seem to equate acknowledging an LGBT Agenda with discussing the sexual preferences and peccadilloes of public figures as often as possible and suggest the failure to do so may not admit the agenda exists.

    I reject your premise.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  102. So, daleyrocks, what’s the difference between your contention that discussing a particular aspect (or at least two) of Obama — which has never been mentioned or even alluded to by the MSM — is too “often” or, as said by JD, “obsessive,” compared with the hesitation of the media to discuss those same and other facets of Obama?

    Again, in today’s era, the agenda of GLBT has replaced the agenda of civil rights directed at racial/ethnic groups of years ago. So discussing the personal behavior of Obama in some key ways is even more relevant today than it would have been decades ago. Or back when — believe it or not, in the 1960s — anti-lynching legislation in the Congress was considered controversial or somewhat of an outlier, when TV shows still were oddly self-conscious about showing non-white characters, when this society couldn’t even begin to fathom the idea of same-sex marriage and GLBTism.

    Beyond that, the lesson to learn from this small flurry of back-and-fro postings is that various opinion polls do show that a growing number of Americans (and apparently now a majority) is becoming socially more liberal. Keep that in mind when you’re wondering about the future of Republicans and conservatives.

    Also keep in mind that when some rally around the idea of “it’s the economy, stupid!” — and proudly boast that “we’re conservatives when it comes to economics, but liberals when it comes to culture!!” (which Republicans in blue states are far more likely to proclaim) — that one factor fostering a healthy economy is a healthy social fabric (eg, stable two-parent households, socially normative public schools, etc).

    Mark (58ea35)

  103. 38, Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 11/8/2013 @ 1:49 pm

    The FBI that didn’t get there, for three weeks, I wonder

    Also, the FBI isn’t always a particularly honest organization.

    There’s later version of the New York Times story than what I saw on the main web page on Friday.

    It was eventually not printed on the front pagem but page B1 with a little squib attached to a story about Bloomberg Business Week not publishing stories about China.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/business/media/cbs-correspondent-apologizes-for-report-on-benghazi-attack.html?pagewanted=all

    The conservative imprint that published the book is actually a division of CBS, (which owns Simon and Schuster) something missing from the first version (but gone from the final version is that it was a conservative imprint)

    Sammy Finkelman (9e0380)

  104. Davies didn’t lie alone. I think it is pretty clear, if you read the New York Times story carefully, that some people in the FBI had to have lied to CBS.

    The first thing CBS verified is that Dylan Davies was present in Benghazi on September 11, 2012 and worked in security. They got the incident report the security firm he worked for, Blue Mountain, had prepared and in it Davies never went to the location where the Ambassador was. Davies explained to CBS that he didn’t tell them because it was in violation of his orders, but he had told that to the FBI, and it would be mentioned there (none of that was public, but presumabbly at some point would become known.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/business/media/cbs-correspondent-apologizes-for-report-on-benghazi-attack.html?pagewanted=all

    Mr. Fager said CBS had made extensive efforts to determine what Mr. Davies told the F.B.I. He said the network had sources who led the program to believe that the report was “in sync” with the account Mr. Davies gave to “60 Minutes.”

    Informed Thursday night by The Times that the F.B.I. version diverged from what Mr. Davies said on “60 Minutes,” CBS News quickly checked its own F.B.I. sources, Mr. Fager said, and learned that what Mr. Davies had told the F.B.I. “differed from what he told us.”

    Now interpret the above quote from the New York Times article as follows: CBS tried contacting some sources in the FBI, and was not able to, but they got some other sources who vouched for that fact.

    Then the New York Times came to them, with information from its sources and CBS contacted their usual FBI sources, who this time were available, and the FBI sources told them, that no, what Davies told the FBI differed from what was in the book and what he told 60 Minutes.

    The FBI had interviewed Davies 3 times (which possibly is suspicious actually, since FBI interviews are nt recorded) once by phone, once by teleconference and one time in person in Wales.

    Davies has not said he told CBS the truth – he has made himself unavailable.

    So I suspect we may have here a Clinton-style ccverup – spread a false version of the truth for the skeptics. Davies account had not quite jibed with the New York Times account of that night.

    60 Minutes will carry an apology (and an explanation) tonight.(after football?)

    Senator Lindsey Graham (through a spokesman) decline to speak to the New York Times, but said he would address the matter Sunday on CNN. Senatyor Grahgam said he would block all nominations until Congressional investigators were allowed to interview survivors from Benghazi.

    Sammy Finkelman (9e0380)

  105. Obama is not for (actaully only when it seems safe for him) the GLBT agenda because of anything about himself, any more than New York’s mayor elect Bill de Blasio is for less crime enforcement because he expects his son to commit crimes.

    Sammy Finkelman (9e0380)

  106. 61. The question is what was the reason teh Democrats – it could only have been the Democrats – wanted to shuffle Herman Cain off the stage so quickly?

    Maybe to help Romney. Perhaps they were afraid Romney might sink too low.

    Sammy Finkelman (9e0380)

  107. Well the New York Times account was at variance with reality, disguising the fact that it was a deliberate terrorist attack, that could have been easily anticipated from the LOC report.

    narciso (3fec35)

  108. It’s called disinformation. You deliberate put out false stories, not with the expectation that they will stand up for long, but to muddy the waters.

    nk (dbc370)

  109. “So, daleyrocks, what’s the difference between your contention that discussing a particular aspect (or at least two) of Obama — which has never been mentioned or even alluded to by the MSM — is too “often” or, as said by JD, “obsessive,” compared with the hesitation of the media to discuss those same and other facets of Obama?”

    Mark – I deeply appreciate your advice on what to keep in mind, but once again you deliberately miss the point of comments made concerning your obsession.

    The comment of JD and subsequent comments of myself and elissa in no way solely relate to a single comment or multiple comments about Obama and it is very dishonest on your part to imply that they do. I could care less about Obama’s rumored boan smoking activities, the part of your cut and paste I found more interesting was that the source quoted said he viewed as a liar, although I know nothing about the source.

    The fact that you equate the GLBT Agenda with the struggles of the civil rights era of 50 years ago means that you have swallowed the left’s propaganda. Why don’t you describe for the audience what you perceive as the GLBT Agenda?

    It seems like you view the mission of your obsessive commenting here on the individual homosexual tendencies of public figures as opposed to the overall “GLBT Agenda” serves some sort of perverted need or prurient interest of yours rather than a need to inform others frequenting this blog, who don’t really need your underwear sniffing research IMHO, about social trends occurring in this country. Then again, you keep deflecting opportunities to explain why you obsessively seek out and cut and paste such information in your comments so we can only speculate.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  110. Obama is not for (actaully only when it seems safe for him) the GLBT agenda because of anything about himself,

    Well, Sammy, if the sexuality (and personal experiences) of Obama or the son of De Blasio don’t affect the POV of those two politicians, you do admit that their leftism certainly does. BTW, when Obama absurdly and inappropriately personalized the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman story (“if I had a son, he’d look like…”), it would be surprising if he doesn’t do that to other issues in general.

    why you obsessively seek out and cut and paste such information in your comments so we can only speculate.

    daleyrocks, again, for some reason you want to equate my postings of insider stories about the behavior of Obama, or certain other newsmakers, and — this is very crucial — in the context of events tied to such people as somehow inappropriate or obsessive. In that regards, you’re acting very similar to folks (about 100% of them on the left) who wail “you’re being racist! You’re a racist!” when someone expresses negative views about Obama.

    I hope you’ll now have a better sense of the origins of such reactions and why this society is tilting further and further to the left. IOW, if folks like you (and me too) are being influenced by ongoing cultural trends, then imagine what is happening with people in general, particularly those younger than you—and me too.

    Mark (58ea35)

  111. Yes. Many of us do view many of your postings as creepy, inappropriate and excessive, Mark. So you have that part right. What you still seem fuzzy on and unwilling to consider is why so many of us see it that way. Your always trying to craftily turn it around to make us the nutty ones–us the dupes of liberalism–us the ones who are blind when you and only you can see the light has gotten very old indeed. Since you’re so keen on analyzing and giving advice, here’s my advice for you. Physician, heal thyself.

    elissa (b95a79)

  112. 115. Mark @ 8:49 am

    BTW, when Obama absurdly and inappropriately personalized the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman story (“if I had a son, he’d look like…”),

    He personalized it so it wouldn’t look political, and as a way of not prejudging the case. “I don;t know what the story is, but Trayvon would look like my son” It’s a very noncomittal comment, while at the same time, seeming to side with the protesters.

    Actually son-in-law would have been better, or more real, but everyone knows very well nothing like that would happen. Then they’d all go into more what was Trayvon Martin like.

    it would be surprising if he doesn’t do that to other issues in general.

    why you obsessively seek out and cut and paste such information in your comments so we can only speculate.

    daleyrocks, again, for some reason you want to equate my postings of insider stories about the behavior of Obama, or certain other newsmakers, and — this is very crucial — in the context of events tied to such people as somehow inappropriate or obsessive. In that regards, you’re acting very similar to folks (about 100% of them on the left) who wail “you’re being racist! You’re a racist!” when someone expresses negative views about Obama.

    I hope you’ll now have a better sense of the origins of such reactions and why this society is tilting further and further to the left. IOW, if folks like you (and me too) are being influenced by ongoing cultural trends, then imagine what is happening with people in general, particularly those younger than you—and me too.

    Comment by Mark (58ea35) — 11/10/2013

    Sammy Finkelman (9e0380)

  113. In other news:

    69-year old Representative Carolyn McCarthy, on leave since June for treatment of lung cancer, is suing 70 plus companies, claiming that, although she was a very heavy smoker for 40 years, so much so that that she took smoking breaks between votes, she got cancer because her father and brothers worked as boiler makers in the Navy Yard and powerhouses when she was very young, and they presumably got exposed to asbestos, and then maybe took toxic fibers home with them.

    Goodyear, Pfizer and Con Ed are among the companies being sued. Her law firm is the one New York State Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, accused of protecting lawyers, belongs to.

    Sometime back (in June?) she announced it was a treatable form of cancer, and indeed people can go on for a several years, her chief of staff and others have resigned.

    She was called in Friday for a discovery deposition. The New York Post did not gets its calls to a spokesman for her office returned.

    Her lawyer says while there is no doubt that smoking played a role, the rate of cancer has been shown to be 4,000 percent (41 times) or more higher than in smokers not exposed to asbestos.

    Smoking was not mentioned in the Manhattan Supreme Court papers filed last week (would that be the week of October 28-Nov 1?)

    Sammy Finkelman (9e0380)

  114. “daleyrocks, again, for some reason you want to equate my postings of insider stories about the behavior of Obama, or certain other newsmakers, and — this is very crucial — in the context of events tied to such people as somehow inappropriate or obsessive. In that regards, you’re acting very similar to folks (about 100% of them on the left) who wail “you’re being racist! You’re a racist!” when someone expresses negative views about Obama.”

    Mark – Nice deflection attempt. My words stand for themselves, not your strained interpretation of them. Take for example you posting of unsubstantiated rumors regarding the sexuality of Justice John Roberts. Maybe you need one of your epiphanies to realize that spreading innuendo about the sexual preferences of a public figure who gets married later in life is one of the oldest tricks in the book. Spreading those rumors was not about Obama, GLBT Agenda or anything else. It was pure gossip mongering on your part because you are obsessed with the subject matter. Remember your multiple part series on homosexuality versus bisexuality using movies stars as examples? Did that serve a political purpose or prurient purpose?

    We have had numerous threads on this blog discussing gay marriage, don’t ask don’t tell and other matters supposedly on the “GLBT Agenda,” but you seem to be about the only commenter obsessed with injecting the sexual preference of public figures into unrelated threads.

    I find it curious and your continued deflection on why you do it only serve to make it more so.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  115. The New York Daily News reported in the Saturday, November 9, 2013 paper, page 8 that on Thursday, November 7, 2013, two days after Election Day in New York City, there were not only no murders, but nobody was even shot, stabbed or slashed.

    This is the second blood free day in about a year – the previous one was Monday, November 26, 2012 – the Monday after Thanksgiving – nd before that nobody remembers such a day.

    There was also an entire week – seven days – with no homicides in the past month (spoiled by. I think, 5 of them in the next 10 hours after they called attention to it)

    There were 419 murders in the city in 2012, but this year, 2013, there have been 283 so far (compared to 364 up to this point in 2012, or less than 78%, which, at the same rate, would give you almost 100 less than last year (well, 94)

    Last year’s total number of murders was the lowest since 1962 (before Gideon v Wainwright and Miranda v Arizona ) and this year’s is headed to be the lowest since the 1950s (before or close to when juvenie delinquency laws reduced punishment and before Mapp v Ohio

    In general there are about 3.6 people shot each day, and one murdered every 27 or 28 hours.

    What happened was that Police Commisioner Ray Kelly came up with a new idea, Operation Crew Cut, going after gangs or people who run together. This partially happened because stop-question and frisk came under such attack. The real danger is not even being more careful here, but an inspector general, and also attempting to say anything that winds up targeting more blacks is unsound.

    Sammy Finkelman (35f245)

  116. Take for example you posting of unsubstantiated rumors regarding the sexuality of Justice John Robert

    Daleyrocks, you’re either not tracking correctly the full context of the post you’re referring to or you’re being disingenuous. First of all, that copy-pasted snippet was from an article at a conservative blog regarding wink-wink coverage of John Roberts by the New York Times, printed well before the Supreme Court’s decision on Obamacare. IOW, that preceded by a few years the moment when Robert’s decision on ACA elicited surprise and puzzlement. The details surrounding that decision are so baffling that it rightly and understandably has generated suspicions of underhanded tactics by supporters of Obama and his pro-ACA cabal.

    Yea, that suspicion is based on innuendo and rumor, and the behind-closed-doors chatter regarding Roberts and his vote on Obamacare does sound like a case of bad Hollywood fiction. But so many of the scandals pouring out of the current White House have ended up reading like bad fiction come to life, so the implausible has a way of turning out plausible.

    Mark (58ea35)

  117. Did that serve a political purpose or prurient purpose?

    To counter the assumptions of those people (ie, a high number of liberals, but quite a few people in general) that human behavior isn’t as contradictory and free form as it truly is. I recall Patterico a few years ago stating that one reason why he was sympathetic towards same-sex marriage was because of his assumption that people don’t become involved in homosexual activity unless it’s quite ingrained in them. IOW, that it’s almost biologically forced upon or pre-ordained for such people. And that they therefore deserved a corresponding amount of benefit of the doubt when it came to the choices they made in life. I originally was closer to agreeing with that assumption, and thought the more stereotypical opinions associated with conservatives therefore weren’t quite as accurate or correct.

    Now with the wife of New York City’s new mayor as merely another case study amongst many, I realize it was I who have been naive (and rather left-leaning) about one aspect of human nature.

    Mark (58ea35)

  118. John Roberts has needs his wife simply can’t meet everyone knows that

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  119. Is this true?

    On Nov. 1, sizable cuts were gouged into the federal food-stamp program (or, as it’s now called, SNAP, Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program), which feeds 47.6 million people, or nearly one in six Americans. In the city, 1.9 million folks get the bulk of their Jell-O and Campbell’s Soup from stamps.

    But news has spread among the poor, like leafy green vegetables, that it wasn’t heartless Republicans who triggered the cuts.

    Rather, some of the food-stamp cash was snatched to pay for Michelle Obama’s pet project, Let’s Move. What?

    It’s come to this. Some 76 million meals a year will vanish from this city — poof! — partly because the president diverted money from SNAP to the first lady’s signature program, part of her Let’s Move anti-obesity initiative — the bean-sprout-heavy, $4.5 billion Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  120. somehow I don’t see even a devout chubby-chaser like mary pat christie playing a constructive roll in rolling back her predecessor’s fascist and exorbitantly expensive obesity policies

    the kind of republicans that get nominated these days love these big government policies

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  121. 108. 109

    Lara Logan apologized in avery short piece at the end of 60 Minutes last night, at 8:45 PM.

    She seemed to say they only found out about the Blue Mountain report after the broadcast, and unlike the New York Times story which had him saying he violated orders when he went to the mission, said he had nothing to do with the report. (could be consistent. Maybe he didn’t claim he lied to his employer, but only claimed he omitted his adventures that night.)

    She seemed to say that only then did he volunteer that he told the FBI a different story.

    CBS stands by part of its report, which the New York Times in a story today seemed to endorse (that al Qaeda was behind the attack)

    Dylan Davies claimed to have gone to the mission, knocked off an attacker and seen Ambassador Stevens in the hospital. The New York Times claimed in its latest story, that Lara Logan personally vouching for her belief in Dylan Davies helped get him on the air.

    Sammy Finkelman (b47846)

  122. 122. Comment by Mark (58ea35) — 11/11/2013 @ 7:29 am

    Now with the wife of New York City’s new mayor as merely another case study amongst many, I realize it was I who have been naive (and rather left-leaning) about one aspect of human nature

    Actually, she’s not really that unusual. About half of all lesbians become hasbeans. This is not ingrained in women.

    Women tend to get imprinted toward a person, not a body type. Another difference between men and women.

    Only men are repeat sex offenders I think.

    Sammy Finkelman (b47846)

  123. Or De Blassio is woman enough for her.

    nk (dbc370)

  124. Uh, I’m not sure about “imprinted”, Sammy. But despite their politics Mr. and Mrs. DeBlasio are now the co-founders of an intact, apparently loving two parent family. So we should all be happy. The family’s a “conservative” value to be encouraged, yes?

    elissa (ade380)

  125. “Daleyrocks, you’re either not tracking correctly the full context of the post you’re referring to or you’re being disingenuous.”

    Mark – Once again you miss the point. The origin of the snippet you decided to excerpt on this blog does not matter. What matters is your you motivation to post it on this blog. It is you once more who are being disingenuous. You attempted to use rumors of John Roberts homosexuality as an explanation for his decision in the Obamacare case. What other cases have you seen his rumored homosexuality surface in his decisions?

    Please remember this was your theory, not mine, so no reason to deflect questions back my direction.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  126. > because of his assumption that people don’t become involved in homosexual activity unless it’s quite ingrained in them. IOW, that it’s almost biologically forced upon or pre-ordained for such people.

    Anecdote isn’t the plural of data, and: I’m a 39 year old gay man who not only has never experienced significant opposite-sex attraction, but who also finds it *much* easier to bond emotionally and romantically with men. In my experience it’s entirely ingrained.

    aphrael (fb202d)

  127. But that’s not why I sought out an open thread; I sought out the open thread to post a simple observation.

    Today is Armistice/Remembrance/Veterans Day. Never Forget. Please take a moment out of the day, however busy it is, to honor it.

    aphrael (fb202d)

  128. > He personalized it so it wouldn’t look political, and as a way of not prejudging the case

    And, furthermore, as a way of reassuring others who had also personalized it.

    aphrael (fb202d)

  129. Mark, frankly the obsession is a bit creepy.

    SPQR (768505)

  130. I’m a 39 year old gay man who not only has never experienced significant opposite-sex attraction, but who also finds it *much* easier to bond emotionally and romantically with men. In my experience it’s entirely ingrained.

    Men and women seem to be very different in this regard. “Lesbian until graduation” is common enough a phenomenon to have a name, whereas gay men switching teams is uncommon. It does happen, but every credible account of such a conversion that I’ve come across (i.e. not those phoney “reparative therapy” groups) seems to have one thing in common: the person wasn’t trying to change, and has no idea how it happened.

    Milhouse (b95258)

  131. I have a 1964 Information Please Almanac in pretty good condition that I got many years later (maybe the 1980s) in better coindirion than ones I had since the 1960s.

    I just had an idea. The latest deadline is usually early November. They are barely able to hold it for the election returns in evenb numbered years.

    yes, they ahev no presidents past Kennedy. I their list of Assassinations and Assassination Attempts in U.S Since 1865, which i might have thought was added because of the assassination of Prexdient kennedy, that year on page 332, they don’t hae Kennedy. I nenver realized it. (Of course I haven’t been using it much)

    Sammy Finkelman (d7b491)

  132. What matters is your you motivation to post it on this blog. It is you once more who are being disingenuous. You attempted to use rumors of John Roberts homosexuality as an explanation for his decision in the Obamacare case. What other cases have you seen his rumored homosexuality surface in his decisions?

    daleyrocks, you’re tap dancing. You knew full well the point of that post was to highlight the peculiar nature of John Roberts apparent last-minute change on his vote on Obamacare. Moreover, I can tell you weren’t even following that thread carefully — and perhaps were just focusing on gay, gay, gay! — because if you had, you’d know the rumor actually has more to do with the possibly legally tricky way Roberts and his wife adopted their children.

    Mark, frankly the obsession is a bit creepy.

    SPQR, I’m not sure what your POV is on same-sex marriage and GLBT matters in general, so I don’t know how that affects your take on this discussion. I do know that growing numbers of Americans are becoming increasingly squishy, for a variety of reasons, about socio-cultural issues. For instance, in the case of Dick Cheney, his gay daughter has likely softened his stance on GLBTism, so one dynamic (ie, a personal one) unsurprisingly triggers the other.

    I’ll just say that when you sling around the word “creepy,” I have a hunch you’re using that in a manner that comes very close to the way that liberals love to yelp “racist!” when dealing with people they’re arguing against and want to immobilize.

    Mark (58ea35)

  133. In my experience it’s entirely ingrained.

    aphrael, I originally thought you were the rule and not the exception. But all the cases similar to that of the wife of New York City’s new mayor lead me to think otherwise.

    I at first bought into the line — generally touted by the left — that sexuality was somewhat analogous to, if not identical to, racial or ethnic characteristics. But it ain’t that easy.

    Moreover, the left downplays the role of free will and free choice (and, in particular, bad decisionmaking and bad choices), while the right has generally done the opposite. I realize that, once again, conservatives are more on target than even I gave them credit for several years ago.

    Mark (58ea35)


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