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10/31/2013

Obama Lies on ObamaCare

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:26 am

The following clip is not for those with high blood pressure or heart problems. You’re about to see some world class lying:

Let me translate. The parts in parentheses are some of the parts he forgot to mention:

As I have always said, you can keep your plan under the law we passed (unless of course your company cancels the plan because of the law we passed), in which case you can just shop around in the marketplace (which nobody can access), and you’ll get a plan that has more benefits (many of which you don’t need), and which will be a better deal (with higher deductibles and premiums), and many people will get subsidies (paid for by taxpayers who already owe $17 trillion).

And if you tell only part of the story (and please ignore the fact that I didn’t mention any of the points in parentheses), you’re being GROSSLY MISLEADING!!!

So George W. Bush was a liar because he and everybody else in creation thought Saddam Hussein had WMD. But Mr. Barack “If You Like Your Plan You Can Keep It” Obama is not a liar. And he gets to call us “grossly misleading” if we point it out.

Is that about it, Big Media?

189 Responses to “Obama Lies on ObamaCare”

  1. Now they’re comparing this fustercluck of a roll-out to GWB’s mediCare plan B roll-out. The lying continues…

    Colonel Haiku (180a66)

  2. I notice the preview screen of that Youtube video shows the name of Dr. Ben Carson. If he were president instead of the current debacle, it would be fascinating observing the politics of various people, namely all the liberals who coo over Obama and love to point out his racial background or who accuse those who say negative things about Obama as being racist. I continue to believe the only race or ethnicity that really motivates many folks on the left is the “race” (or “ethnicity” or “religion”) of liberalism.

    Mark (58ea35)

  3. I loathe that liar.

    JD (5c1832)

  4. President Armslength Mendacious Period

    Colonel Haiku (919400)

  5. I would like a link to Dr. Carson’s reaction. Thank you in advance.

    felipe (70ff7e)

  6. I know some LIVs who actually believe this crap. Of course, when you are anticipating a big subsidy, the rose-colored glasses go on.

    Patricia (be0117)

  7. There’s word of some new requirements to health insurance, thanks to Obamacare:

    1. Insurers will now be required to include medical care for injuries due to tiger bites. This will cost only $50/month. This does not include injuries caused by bites from Detroit baseball players, however; those are covered in another rider, which costs only an additional $15/month.

    2. Insurers will now be required to include coverage for demonic possession, at an additional cost of $75/month.

    3. Insurers will now be required to include coverage for injuries sustained while dreaming, such as falling from a high place. The insurance only covers doctors who appear in the dream. This is only $35/month extra.

    Chuck Bartowski (11fb31)

  8. You said it.

    Here is the place to file a complaint:

    https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/#&panel1-1

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  9. Bush was a liar because he was lied to. He simply restated falsehoods that he thought to be true. that makes him wrong, not a liar. Who exactly “mislead” Obama?

    he’s either incompetent or a criminal accomplice. Either way, he’s unfit to lead.

    Ghost (476943)

  10. President Bait & Switch

    Icy (34d424)

  11. I especially like the smug looks on the faces of the stage props behind him.

    glenn (647d76)

  12. This clown really will lie about anything.

    SPQR (768505)

  13. “2. Insurers will now be required to include coverage for demonic possession, at an additional cost of $75/month.”

    Chuck – After watching the following interview I was wondering about that:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/10/29/Kesha-Says-Her-Vagina-Is-Haunted

    Who ya gonna call?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  14. Chuck, I like those new features a lot. Question: If I’m bitten by a demon tiger in a dream, is it covered?

    Pious Agnostic (c45233)

  15. Who ya gonna call?

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 10/31/2013 @ 9:40 am

    Massengill? Wash that little fooker right out it will!

    Yoda (c1890a)

  16. IIRC, back a few months some fawning MSM-type was interviewing President Armslength (and thanks to the above commenter for that, I plan to use it on a regular basis), before this POS hit the fan, and asked about the propriety of calling ACA “Obamacare” as was being done on a regular basis. He replied that it was OK with him, it was a wonderful thing and he was proud to have his name on it.

    Now we are finding out that he was endorsing something then, that today he says he was not all that familiar with. It makes me wonder if the Sham-wow guy actually uses one at home.

    gramps (46c9f9)

  17. Question: If I’m bitten by a demon tiger in a dream, is it covered?

    Comment by Pious Agnostic (c45233) — 10/31/2013 @ 9:58 am

    Only by ONE witch doctor in an isolated village in Kenya. And just like some cruises, “travel to and from is not provided!”

    Yoda (c1890a)

  18. They had to “pass it to find out what was in it.”

    Like a stool sample.

    Colonel Haiku (cd8c27)

  19. Where are the success story human props who lost substandard coverage from bad apple insurers but found better, more affordable coverage on the exchange?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  20. Instead of PPACA, Yoda would prefer to have an Alpaca! At least worth something it is!

    Yoda (c1890a)

  21. Speaking of lying:
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/30/us-military-commandos-made-it-to-benghazi/?page=all#pagebreak

    Yes, second the motion to locate Dr. Carson’s comments. (Odds being made in Vegas as to when his next visit from the IRS will take place).

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  22. Like a stool sample.
    Comment by Colonel Haiku (cd8c27) — 10/31/2013 @ 10:23 am

    That will be hard to beat as best comment on the thread.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  23. Where are the success story human props who lost substandard coverage from bad apple insurers but found better, more affordable coverage on the exchange?

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 10/31/2013 @ 10:23 am

    Where? Where you say? Why they are all located in a mystical place where unicorns and pixies dance, and where dragons live in a land called Honah Lee!

    Yoda (c1890a)

  24. Yoda, are you suggesting the one is still “puffing”?

    Was that a children’s song, a song about drugs, or both????

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  25. Obama’s statements yesterday were more than grossly misleading. Rather than only 5%, in 2010 the administration itself estimated that 93 million Americans would lose their health insurance in reaction to Obamacare and published the estimate in the Federal Register:

    Section 1251 of the Affordable Care Act contains what’s called a “grandfather” provision that, in theory, allows people to keep their existing plans if they like them. But subsequent regulations from the Obama administration interpreted that provision so narrowly as to prevent most plans from gaining this protection.

    “The Departments’ mid-range estimate is that 66 percent of small employer plans and 45 percent of large employer plans will relinquish their grandfather status by the end of 2013,” wrote the administration on page 34,552 of the Register. All in all, more than half of employer-sponsored plans will lose their “grandfather status” and get canceled. According to the Congressional Budget Office, 156 million Americans—more than half the population—was covered by employer-sponsored insurance in 2013.

    Another 25 million people, according to the CBO, have “nongroup and other” forms of insurance; that is to say, they participate in the market for individually-purchased insurance. In this market, the administration projected that “40 to 67 percent” of individually-purchased plans would lose their Obamacare-sanctioned “grandfather status” and get canceled, solely due to the fact that there is a high turnover of participants and insurance arrangements in this market. (Plans purchased after March 23, 2010 do not benefit from the “grandfather” clause.) The real turnover rate would be higher, because plans can lose their grandfather status for a number of other reasons.

    How many people are exposed to these problems? 60 percent of Americans have private-sector health insurance—precisely the number that Jay Carney dismissed. As to the number of people facing cancellations, 51 percent of the employer-based market plus 53.5 percent of the non-group market (the middle of the administration’s range) amounts to 93 million Americans.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/10/31/obama-officials-in-2010-93-million-americans-will-be-unable-to-keep-their-health-plans-under-obamacare/

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  26. Is that about it, Big Media?

    Yeah. So what’s your point?

    J.P. (bd0246)

  27. Was that a children’s song, a song about drugs, or both????

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 10/31/2013 @ 10:35 am

    Song written by someone huffing and puffing heavily it was!

    Yoda (c1890a)

  28. Medicare Plan D was somewhat confused as the law was complicated. People had to sort out how the new benefit could be accessed best and that took time.

    But it did not nuke everyone’s Medicare Plan A & B and change all their doctors, so no it’s not the same.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  29. “Yeah. So what’s your point?”

    J.P. – Is it that tough to figure out?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  30. Hey Patterico–your favorite village idiot from the LA Times is trying to debunk his own paper’s expose on Obamacare. Naturally, being Michael Hiltzik, he’s failing miserably at the task:

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/conncarroll/2013/10/31/debunking-the-debunkers-yes-obamacare-rate-shock-is-real-n1733694

    M. Scott Eiland (c249e1)

  31. Somebody is falling down on the job here – RAAAACISTS!!!!!!!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  32. 25. daley beat me to it; I got other responsibilities; like being humble while dressed down by she who must be obeyed.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  33. Well, it all seems very clear to me, ensconced as I am in the extreme right-wing echo chamber that is the Patterico.com comment section.

    I just hope noone comes along and tries to expose me to some other viewpoints.

    Pious Agnostic (c45233)

  34. People are already unhappy about ObamaCare and tomorrow the government is cutting food stamp payments. That will only add to the problems many people face and, fair or not, they will blame these cuts on Obama.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  35. The political headlines are a lot more fun to read these days:

    White House officials in talks with anxious Dems on ObamaCare

    Officials involved in the ObamaCare rollout are meeting with Senate Democrats on Thursday to try and calm fears about the struggling enrollment site.

    Marilyn Tavenner, administrator at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, headed to Capitol Hill Thursday with White House chief of staff Denis McDonough and former budget director Jeff Zients.

    The three will meet with lawmakers as support rises among Democrats for delaying the implementation timeline. Zients was brought in to lead the triage effort for HealthCare.gov, the federal enrollment portal.
    Vulnerable Democratic senators are backing a variety of changes in response to problems with the website, including deferring the individual mandate and extending the law’s enrollment period.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  36. Here’s another one:

    Rep. Issa Subpoenas Sebelius

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  37. So, to achieve its twin goals of affordable insurance for everybody without anyone seeming to pay more for care, the ACA is fundamentally an exercise in Rube-Goldberg financial engineering. As with so many of these schemes in our history of health care policy, the very complexity and attendant unanticipated consequences are likely to undermine achievement of the fundamental goal of expanding access. </b

    – Catastrophic Care: How American Health Care Killed My Father–and How We Can Fix It by David Goldhill (Alfred a. Knoph Borzxoi book) page 200.

    http://www.amazon.com/s/?tag=patterspontif-20&link_code=wsw&_encoding=UTF-8&search-alias=aps&field-keywords=catastrophic+care+goldhill&Submit.x=8&Submit.y=8

    Soon (November 5) also to be available in paperback (Vintage) as “Catastrophic Care: Why Everything We Think We Know about Health Care Is Wrong”

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  38. I think it will be long, slow turn of public of public opinion with regard to the President. People don’t typically read outside their politically aligned comfort zone, so when the MSM changes course, so too will the public. Sadly.

    Dana (e5797c)

  39. The italics are mine, and somehow I’ve got notth a broken stop boldface and a real stop blodface which worked.

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  40. “White House officials in talks with anxious Dems on ObamaCare”

    DRJ – Heh. I don’t understand the problem. To paraphrase Janet Napolitano:

    THE SYSTEM IS WORKING!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  41. daleyrocks–it has been alleged in several places that the big insurance companies’ CEOs are getting direct phone calls and major pushback from the WH when they try to honestly explain the problem –and that the K street lobbying groups which are supposed to speak for the industry are literally being threatened to stfu even as the president and HHS continue to lie about them. The dearth of insurance industry representation and point of view in print interviews and on on TV and radio news shows is quite obvious. They are probably very scared.

    Do you think the insurance industry will start to defend themselves more aggressively as their stockholders, employees, and policyholders get more vocal and the government’s lies get more bizarre and outrageous? At some point I should think that fighting for their very survival will trump anything else.

    As an aside, the husband of a college friend of mine is in the health insurance industry. He is a basket case over all this and has lost 12 pounds from stress in just the past two months. (He was responsible for sending out some of the cancellation letters and was not given much leeway on what could be said to policyholders about Obamacare and/or what their options were.)

    elissa (ae1631)

  42. “White House officials in talks with anxious Dems on ObamaCare”

    DRJ – Obama has the NSA spying on those anxious Dem members of Congress so he can preempt their complaints, right?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  43. “Obama lies”
    It is about the only thing he does well.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  44. askeptic, what is so infuriating is that he does not do it very well at all.

    Its the brazenness of it, and his obvious confidence that he won’t ever get called on it in a press conference, that is so infuriating.

    SPQR (768505)

  45. elissa, it probably true that Obama’s little gang of syncophants are pressuring the insurance companies.

    But the fact that he’s so obviously a lame duck already is going to dawn on them soon.

    SPQR (768505)

  46. He knows he’s lying. But it’s a small price to pay to convert the last free country in the world to Socialism. He’d never be able to do that if he came right out and said it.

    CrustyB (5a646c)

  47. I see that Google has dispatched dozens of people to help fix the Obamacare website. To protest, I am going to switch my homepage from iGoogle, starting tomorrow.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  48. SPQR, I must admit that I wrote that with tongue firmly in cheek, because I don’t think he does anything well enough to be praised, or even thanked, for what he does.
    I suppose I was damning with faint praise!

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  49. first pres to be considered a pre existing condition

    epwj (1c8558)

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    askeptic (b8ab92)

  51. 49- Major surgery is recommended.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  52. Bush was a liar for a lot of things.

    Barack Obama is also a liar, for even more things.

    Leviticus (044853)

  53. Leviticus, all except for the part that Bush didn’t lie.

    SPQR (768505)

  54. Never? Never ever?

    Leviticus (044853)

  55. Starry eyes

    Leviticus (044853)

  56. ObamaCare is a disaster, so let’s talk about…George W. Bush !
    Or, how about Grover Cleveland ?

    Uh, John Tyler, anyone ?

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  57. On a slow day, when all of the world’s problems have been solved, we can have the Bush Lied discussion – probably between coffee breaks, on dial-up.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  58. White House to insurance execs: Keep yo mouf shut on Obamacare.

    White House officials have pressured insurance industry executives to keep quiet amid mounting criticism over Obamacare’s rollout, insurance industry sources told CNN.
    After insurance officials publicly criticized the implementation, White House staffers contacted insurers to express their displeasure, industry insiders said.

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/30/politics/obamacare-white-house-pressure/

    elissa (ae1631)

  59. Elissa – how dare they defend themselves while Obama and the Dems are lying about them?

    JD (58b0d1)

  60. “Do you think the insurance industry will start to defend themselves more aggressively as their stockholders, employees, and policyholders get more vocal and the government’s lies get more bizarre and outrageous?”

    elissa – I think the experience of the husband of your college friend confirms what you are seeing and the shaming and intimidation that was used to get the industry to shut up and get on board in the first place.

    It’s the nice industry or nice company, be a shame if you lost it tactic we have seen Obama use over and over and over again to punish opponents and critics.

    Speaking out is a risk/reward calculation for individual companies. It is often easier to do it through a trade association or off the record to avoid the individual company backlash or at least that was my experience when fighting entrenched powerful government interests.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  61. That’s the full Luigi Vercotti.

    narciso (3fec35)

  62. elissa – Since it’s a regulated industry, there are a lot of ways for the government to punish these companies apart from public demonization.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  63. The Blue Cross CEO was particularly receptive,

    narciso (3fec35)

  64. My prediction: On January 20th 2017, there will be millions more people uninsured than there were on January 20th 2009.

    SPQR (4397ba)

  65. I wish the insurance industry would have stood up to obama’s scam in the first place.

    mg (31009b)

  66. State insurance auditors could suddenly decide they need to conduct a full colonscopic market conduct review, the kind with multiple treble hooks attached to the probe, of an insurer’s operations.

    An insurer’s reserves may suddenly be deemed worthy by a state of intense, intimate scrutiny by the most expensive actuaries in the country, the expense of which the insurer is required to pay.

    The suitability of the insurer as a servicing carrier for Medicare may suddenly come under review.

    Seriously, the possibilities and degrees of seriousness are too numerous to count.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  67. None of which is theoretical given the established criminal practices of the Obama administration to punish political opponents with the IRS, the FEC and other agencies.

    SPQR (4397ba)

  68. “None of which is theoretical given the established criminal practices of the Obama administration to punish political opponents with the IRS, the FEC and other agencies.”

    SPQR – Nope. Just remind yourself about the treatment of Gibson Guitar, Sheldon Adelson, True the Vote, Ben Carson, BP with escrow demand, and the list goes on and on.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  69. elissa – BTW, there is absolutely no guaranty my opinions on these matters agree with the husband of your college friend.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  70. Insurers are dropping out of markets weekly.
    It’s like the old hippie line:
    What if they gave a war and nobody came?
    At what point do you admit that too much regulation is the problem, not that there isn’t enough.

    “If it moves, Tax it;
    If it keeps moving, Regulate it;
    If it stops moving, Subsidize it!”

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  71. On a happier note, Stop&Frisk is not dead.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  72. 69. I have not discussed it with him–only with his wife and more from the standpoint that he is very miserable, and that she is very concerned about his health.

    elissa (ae1631)

  73. I had to deal with helping old people during the Part D rollout. I was/am against the law, but rollout was surprisingly pleasant/not a problem. Honestly it was more work when local massive employers changed insurance and all of the patients had to be switched over as they came in.

    notsomsm (c66120)

  74. Comment by Pious Agnostic (c45233) — 10/31/2013 @ 11:30 am

    Nice.

    Comment by Leviticus (044853) — 10/31/2013 @ 1:45 pm

    Not to derail the thread, but I would be very interested in what you are referring to my friend. It seems to me that presidents should lie about some things. The question is, are those lies in service to the country or to themselves? President Obama seems to lie when the truth would serve.

    Stashiu3 (e7ebd8)

  75. Leviticus,
    saying something untrue that you believe to be true doesn’t make you a liar. Bush was duped. But did he lie? If so, when?

    Ghost (476943)

  76. this one time President Bush tried to tell me pita chips don’t have carbs and I said bitch you are so high and he just laughed

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  77. Comment by Ghost (476943) — 10/31/2013 @ 3:40 pm

    And, those 16 little words in the SOTU were found to be accurate (the Brits confirm themselves as the source) – even if Joe Wilson denies that he actually found confirmation of at least an “attempt” to purchase Yellow-cake from an African nation.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  78. The authors are the same folk behind ‘Game Change’
    so act accordingly;

    http://minx.cc/?post=344644

    narciso (3fec35)

  79. Comment by elissa (ae1631) — 10/31/2013 @ 2:50 pm

    I have not discussed it with him–only with his wife and more from the standpoint that he is very miserable, and that she is very concerned about his health.

    If they put any policies on the exchange, there’d be a whole lot to worry about. They probably priced them far too low.

    Almost nobody is going to sign up except people who get subsidized by the federal government (which is probably OK for them, because Congress will see to it that the policies for this year get paid even if they have to increase the deficit to do it, or tax somebody else.)

    Or people who are sick or plan to have an operation or two in the next year. (which is not OK for the insurance company)

    I heard a news story on CBS about some new company in Maryland. They decided to switch business plans and insure groups instead, and make cold calls and not rely on the exchange.

    If he’s worrying about what’s happening to the business, he should accept that it is more likely to go bankrupt than not, and stop worrying about it. It’s likely to happen. OK, fine.

    It might be possible something will save the situation. It’s not 100% certain.

    His personal situation can’t really be that bad, so there’s no need for anyvbody to get sick about this.

    The business plan is a failure. OK, now what? A lot of insurance companies are in the same boat.

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  80. ==His personal situation can’t really be that bad, so there’s no need for anyvbody to get sick about this.==

    I’ll pass on your lack of concern and your helpful medical advice next time I speak with her.

    No, actually I won’t. :)

    elissa (ae1631)

  81. elissa – Occam’s Razor usually proves Sammy wrong.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  82. “It seems to me that presidents should lie about some things. The question is, are those lies in service to the country or to themselves? President Obama seems to lie when the truth would serve.”

    Excellent point, Stashiu.

    Dana (e5797c)

  83. Well, I’m seriously debating dumping insurance and going to cash-only medical providers. Depends on what my premium increases for 2014 turn out to be.

    SPQR (768505)

  84. About that decision that Mxtlpldk trumpeted;

    http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/13/13-51008-CV0.pdf

    narciso (3fec35)

  85. I was thinking of dressing up as healthcare.gov for Halloween tonight, but I can’t decide on how to act to make it really convincing.

    1. Promise kids that I’ll have candy for them no later than the end of November, or

    2. Tell kids “if you like your candy, you can keep your candy” and then take their candy from them.

    malclave (1db6c5)

  86. My prediction: On January 20th 2017, there will be millions more people uninsured than there were on January 20th 2009.

    My prediction: The numbers of persons with means-tested insurance subsidies will have exploded and the numbers of taxpayers who can afford their own insurance will have cratered.

    And Obama will say things like: “No one took your insurance away from you, you just dropped it be cause the insurance companies jacked up the price past what you could afford.” And then the subsidy limit will be raised.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  87. Mxtlpldk

    I tried to get him to say that backwards a few weeks ago.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  88. Tell kids “if you like your candy, you can keep your candy” and then take their candy from them.

    Or you could give them wood puzzles and tell them there is candy inside (there may be, but the puzzle cannot be solved).

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  89. pan de los muertos is a sometimes food

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  90. How time flies. It does not seem possible that Obamacare uh, debuted a month ago already. Each day has brought us new wonderment of disclosures and surprises and narratives. All I can do is look back to Oct. 1 and say, “Wow”.

    elissa (ae1631)

  91. It’s like the Whizzo Chocolate’s whole catalog elissa, starting with Spring Surprise

    narciso (3fec35)

  92. Pretty interesting, eh, narciso? Given the standards for a stay of the district court’s order, that’s mighty strong stuff. Quite a detailed opinion too, given the timing.

    SPQR (768505)

  93. elissa,

    I don’t think the insurance executives will do anything. In addition to seeing first-hand the debacle that is unfolding and having to participate by cancelling people’s coverage, they’re also facing the loss of their jobs and arguably even their industry. It’s threatening their lives and livelihoods, and their only hope to stop it was if Obama didn’t win re-election. More than anyone, they realize nothing will stop this train wreck from happening.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  94. Well there is the difference between the doubletalk of Blue Cross, and Aetna’s rather straightforward explanation,

    narciso (3fec35)

  95. the Whizzo Chocolate Company isn’t even real I googled it Mr. narciso

    tricker

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  96. Some of their offerings, are less palatable, pikachu.

    narciso (3fec35)

  97. narciso,

    Thank you for that link. Like SPQR, I’m surprised at how quickly this decision was issued. TX AG Abbott was clearly ready with the appeal and the 5th Circuit was ready with its response. It’s refreshing given the way most Circuit Court appeals go these days.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  98. “The Blue Cross CEO was particularly receptive,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) ”

    You mean anal receptive ?

    Insurance companies stopped Hillarycare but this time they decided to join what looked like the winning side.

    The end result of all this is still unknowable but repeal of Obamacare cannot be done now.

    It’s a little like knowing rape is coming and wondering what it will be like.

    The health insurance market has been a house of cards for years. Now, Obama pulled out one card.

    MikeK (dc6ffe)

  99. DRJ@94–I am very interested in this particular aspect because I think that we may be getting quite close to a tipping point where the administration is not feared as it was even recently. I’ve made no secret of the fact that I think the insurance industry initially and unwisely (if tentatively and under some pressure) got in bed with health care reform because they were convinced it was inevitable and they thought they could help effect the legislation and even benefit from it. Oops!

    Obviously, as daleyrocks has properly pointed out, the insurance industry wanted and needed to stay on the good side of the government, and insurance regulators, and the IRS. Unfortunately, with the egregious regulations written by Sebelius’ HHS after passage they got screwed royally, and then with the website not working and unable to process new policies they did not even get the slow bleedout they may have hoped for (and thought they could delicately manage) over several years as the industry morphed and transitioned.

    As a corporate citizen my guess is that the next 30 days will tell the tale. I think there will be leaders in some insurance companies who want to survive and have a killer instinct. They will emerge. Other CEOs will go along to get along, not wanting to risk ruffling feathers or to put themselves in political or personal “danger” until they just go bankrupt. For sure, it’ll be interesting to see how it goes.

    elissa (3bb323)

  100. @kerpen
    BREAKING: Obama announces plan to end homelessness by mandating all Americans buy houses. Many to be evicted from substandard homes.

    SPQR (768505)

  101. Re. Bush lying, I recall two specific accusations, Iraq WMDs and the 16 words in the SOU which were precisely true….but MARCH TO WAR!!@!##. And the second term scandal was firing political appointees for political reasons.

    Turns out that it’s legal. Oddly, it took more than a year make that determination. But it took 24 years to replace a span of the Bay Bridge so it’s actually somewhat impressive.

    East Bay Jay (a5dac7)

  102. Notice how he has an all female background cast in his speeches? It was that way in his campaign last year too.

    Gerald A (130406)

  103. You know, Obama WAS AGAINST the individual mandate before he was for it. (except he was for a mandate for children)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/us/politics/03demsdebate_transcript.html?_r=0&pagewanted=all

    MR. BLITZER: Let me let Senator Obama weigh in, because you did release your plan that Senator Edwards says is not really a universal health care plan because it isn’t mandatory on everyone. I wonder if you’d want to respond to him.

    SEN. OBAMA: Well, you just identified the basic disagreement with John and I — and by the way, I think John has a lot of good elements in his plan. And I think that as people release their plans, I think there’s going to be a lot of overlap, which is a good thing.

    But the main disagreement with John and I is John believes that we have to have mandatory insurance for everyone in order to have universal health care. My belief is that most families want health care but they can’t afford it.

    And so my emphasis is on driving down the costs, taking on the insurance companies, making sure that they are limited in the ability to extract profits and deny coverage — that we make sure the drug companies have to do what’s right by their patients instead of simply hoarding their profits.

    If we do those things then I believe that we can drive down the costs for families. In fact, we’ve got very conservative, credible estimates that say we can save families that do have health insurance about a thousand dollars a year, and we can also make sure that we provide coverage for everybody else. And we do provide mandatory health care for children.

    By the way, the New York Times transcribed one word here as “patience” I corrected it to patients. I also broke up the te3xt some more.

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  104. Mr. Harsanyi just wants the dumplings

    that’s it just the dumplings thanks is what Mr. Harsanyi says

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  105. Sammy, that’s true. Obama did not support the ind. mandate and it is obviously not his long term intention. He also knows it doesn’t actually work, thanks to the failure of Romneycare. Scaling that up on a national level was obviously going to be a nightmare with enormous downsides for employers and the already insured.

    But then, what Obama really wants is single payer. Now that the federal government has taken over healthcare, it will be a lot easier for them to say they are responsible for finding a solution that works.

    Thankfully the GOP did not vote to support Obamacare itself, but it’s a symptom of a big government disease that has infected this country in a deep way.

    Dustin (ff1698)

  106. Gee, the hits just keep on coming with 404care. How ANYONE can defend the way this monstrosity was foisted upon the American people is just…I can’t think of a word to describe the depravity needed to claim this is good for healthcare.

    Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157 (f7d5ba)

  107. That’s true, Dustin, but it was a useful tool, to accomplish his objective;thanks Justice Roberts, no seriously.

    narciso (3fec35)

  108. I heard on Bennett this AM the saying that insurance execs “took a seat at the table because they didn’t want to be the meal.”
    It is a heck of a choice, do you want to head to the top of V. Jarrett’s revenge list, or do you want to stay in the pack and know you will be betrayed eventually anyway.

    What was that Nimitz quote- “The courage to do what is right even if it doesn’t work”.

    One thing that gives hope, is that tyrants often overreach. Maybe the one will overreach in time to be stopped.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  109. MD, as Winston said,” An appeaser is one who feeds the crocodile in the hope that it would eat him last.”

    Gazzer (17a127)

  110. Our Sec. of State just dedicated a bust of Winston Churchill to replace the one Ph*kwit returned to England when he arrived in WH.

    Jack Lew today said “Japan is finally turning the corner”.

    Germany is considering bringing in Snowden to testify against JackbootedThug.

    Tidbits to amuse.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  111. I suspect when investors realize that hospitals and doctors are not accepting Medicaid indigents and that Healthcare is going to tank as an investment this coming year we’re going to see brokers leaping from ledges.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  112. now listening in on the Vatican, that required a special level of obtuseness;

    narciso (3fec35)

  113. I guess Attkisson is reporting there were 6 404Care enrollees at day one end, 250 after three days via the Fed site.

    And they think they’re a cinch to get single-payer out of this fustercluck?

    More likely this is the millstone that takes us under.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  114. happyfeet @76

    Mmmmmmm. Pita chips.

    navyvet (02dd07)

  115. “And they think they’re a cinch to get single-payer out of this fustercluck?”

    gary – They had nowhere remotely close to the votes to try and push single payer the first time around and had to bribe legislators to get even this abortion passed by single party vote. I think the goal of single payer is moving further away rather than closer based on this debacle.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  116. If Medicare is enrolling and paying benefits to illegal immigrants, what’s to stop it from happening with ObamaCare?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  117. thanks Justice Roberts, no seriously.

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 10/31/2013

    Yeah. And while I have often found conservative jurists who rule a way I don’t like to have simply gotten one wrong or something, when I read that decision it’s clear that Roberts knew he was wrong. Roberts is a huge disappointment. I guess he’s better than Sotomayor, but the difference between GOP justices and Democrat ones is too often a matter of degree not type. It’s all this big government disease.

    Dustin (303dca)

  118. Stashiu3,

    The first thing that came to mind when I typed that comment was the 2000 South Carolina primary.

    Leviticus (6a67b8)

  119. I’m willing to believe that perhaps the President didn’t know the details, but to have the HHS Secretary go to Capitol Hill with the same “Sargent Schultz defense” is beyond reason. “Whatever” .. OMG
    There was no requirement by the text of the ACA to rollout healthcare.gov on Oct 1st, but somebody let it go online anyway, knowing it was “unstable.” They did the POTUS no favor.
    Then Obama goes into this defense blaming Mitt Romney and the Heritage Foundation for coming up with the idea. Mitt Romney did it a hell of a lot better than Team Obama. It looked like the boy who claimed his dog ate his homework, not the “Leader of the Free World.”
    The defense of the “if you like your insurance, you can keep it” is just an exercise in pure unadulterated prevarication. Blaming the insurance companies. Cue the boy who claimed his dog ate his homework, yet again.
    The childish reaction of this President is beyond partisan politics. The man is a failure, a lair, incompetent, and shows no ability to actually lead. Perhaps Democrats will feel the shame that Republicans felt with Richard Nixon, but I doubt it.

    Neo (d1c681)

  120. I think people should be pretty happy with the free contraceptive coverage they are getting for those higher premium dollars and higher deductibles.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  121. Comment by Gazzer (17a127) — 10/31/2013 @ 7:33 pm

    HillaryCare v. BarryCare

    In ’93, the insurance industry loaded both barrels and took on HillaryCare straight up, straight on, and won.
    This time, they looked at the results, and the polling, following the ’08 election, and concluded that there best hope was to sit at the table with the hope that they’d be eaten last.
    Guess what?
    They now see their names on the menu.
    They now need to sit down with Boehner & Co. and come up with a plan to turn this around before the chef starts sharpening that knife he just picked up. At this point they have to pray to Heaven that the lies will just keep building and destroy any and all credibility that still resides in the WH.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  122. 99- MikeK, that is probably correct, as things stand now.
    But, the situation is so fluid, who is to know how badly the credibility of this WH will be destroyed further in the coming days and weeks.
    Signing the repeal of the PPACA just might be the prudent thing to do on President Biden’s first day in office.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  123. when I read that decision it’s clear that Roberts knew he was wrong. Roberts is a huge disappointment. I guess he’s better than Sotomayor, but the difference between GOP justices and Democrat ones is too often a matter of degree not type.

    There is a theory out there that because Roberts changed his tune on Obamacare rather quickly and suddenly — ie, his earlier text regarding the mandate and apparent smile towards the conservatives on the court pointed to his giving thumbs down to Barrycare — that some type of blackmail was hanging over him. There’s talk that some unethical or even illegal gameplaying occurred with his adopted children, or something along those lines. Of course, it’s just rumor and innuendo, but since a very corrupt and unhinged atmosphere hovers over this society in 2013, anything is possible, perhaps even likely.

    Mark (58ea35)

  124. I think the goal of single payer is moving further away rather than closer based on this debacle.

    It’s off in the misty distance now, somewhere around gun control.

    As I’ve said before, the Republicans are going to have one solid shot at seriously amending this thing — a repeal will be vetoed, but a massive scaleback might squeak through if Obama has enough egg on his face. Sometime early next year. Hopefully they will have a coherent plan.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  125. Dustin, it’s almost as if Obama had recordings of Roberts and his mistress or something. Because his flip had the ring of desperation.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  126. ” creation thought Saddam Hussein had WMD”

    and it turned out that he did in fact possess large quantities of chemical weapons. This has been proven, repeatedly, beyond any doubt.

    Aarradin (bab74a)

  127. Hang Ted Baxter by his balls and leave him a razor blade.

    mg (31009b)

  128. Since Kelo, I cringe in fear of the prospect of a supreme court opinion, if he had only followed say Aaron’s analysis, he would have been solid, then he would have had put off with nasty looks all around, Cheney in Baker’s tome, was for Luttig, fwiw.

    narciso (3fec35)

  129. someone needs to tell the whore american president to stop lying so much

    it’s not helping him or anyone else

    a lot of the people whose policies are getting canceled are children

    flintstone vitamins are tasty especially the car one and betty but they’re not the same as insurance for in case you get weevils, and so, in conclusion, we don’t need lies you stupid whore so shut you face

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  130. it’s almost as if Obama had recordings of Roberts and his mistress or something

    The possible implications of the following obviously don’t guarantee or necessarily mean anything. Yet, when possible blackmail is being discussed, or — at the very least — when a person’s tendency towards so-called alternative-lifestyle behavior is either rooted in left-leaning biases or can push a person in that direction (ie, prod a person into becoming squishy) — who knows?

    commonsensedancing.blogspot.com, May 2010: John Roberts did not get married until he was 41 years old, and he and his wife adopted their children. His lengthy bachelorhood and the lack of “proof” that he and his wife had consummated their marriage were cited, by some, as evidence that John Roberts was gay. The New York Times, in a profile of Roberts that did not explicitly discuss his sexuality, but which did go out of its way to highlight his single years and the relatively late age at which he got married, ran…two photos of Roberts, among others.

    [The] photo – of a bunch of dudes…hanging out together on Martha’s Vineyard – seen together with [a] photo of Roberts rocking a sweet pair of plaid trousers in the late-60’s, were red meat to the Roberts-is-a-secret-homosexual set.

    Mark (58ea35)

  131. Look, I love the comfort of the echo chamber as much as the next guy.

    Yeah, I know splitting the Dhimmi vote is a path to victory, especially in Donk strongholds.

    But once in a great while a sanity check is in order.

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303618904579169991120970438

    Lincoln lost NJ twice.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  132. Oh dear Allah, mark.

    JD (5c1832)

  133. Leviticus,

    There are different kinds of lies and some are more destructive than others. I think Obama’s lies are the most destructive.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  134. Like SPQR, I’m surprised at how quickly this decision was issued. TX AG Abbott was clearly ready with the appeal and the 5th Circuit was ready with its response. It’s refreshing given the way most Circuit Court appeals go these days.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 10/31/2013 @ 5:58 pm

    I think the Fifth Circuit has a form ruling database for reversing Lee Yeakel’s stays: “It’s a Lee Yeakel ruling. Let’s see … we’ll have opinion LY7 with Lee Yeakel Addenda LYA 3 and LYA 4.” One of these days Yeakel will issue a sane ruling (it could happen!) and the Fifth Circuit’s clerks will need to take a time out to get over their shock.

    nk (dbc370)

  135. DRJ,

    I agree wholeheartedly. Obama has engendered more cynicism in me than Bush ever did.

    Leviticus (6a67b8)

  136. Mark, with so many gays and bis in powerful positions, do you feel safe outing these people? I mean, aren’t you worried at all? I admire your courage in any case, my friend.

    nk (dbc370)

  137. 126. Fluid, as in levee undermined?

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/11/obama-continues-purge-of-militarys-top-generals/

    A Mursi-purged Egyptian general has just returned to unseam the MB.

    We can hope for change.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  138. Oh dear Allah, mark.

    JD, don’t know why you feel so glib about the matter. After all, you have to be aware of research that correlates certain physical or social traits (eg, a high number of gays being left handed) with human sexuality—beyond the quip about a high percentage of gays loving Broadway show tunes. But studies have yet to delve into why so many of people in the GLBT camp do favor liberal politics. IOW, it’s a question along the lines of what came first: the chicken or the egg?

    Mark (58ea35)

  139. WaPo, cheerleader scrambling mid-air:

    The financial implications of heavier-than-expected Medicaid enrollment aren’t entirely clear. On the one hand, Medicaid coverage does tend to cost less than private insurance. The federal government spent an average of $4,362 on each non-disabled adult on Medicaid in 2011, the most recent year for which data are available.

    By contrast, the Congressional Budget Office projects that the average government subsidy in the exchange marketplace will hover around $5,500.

    The federal government foots the entire bill for Medicaid enrollees who are newly eligible under the health law.

    States do, however, have to help pay for residents who were eligible before the health law but are just signing up. That could be costly: In Washington, for example, about one-third of the new Medicaid sign-ups falls into this category.

    Provider participation not entertained.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  140. John Roberts I know you have the gay in you

    your move.

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  141. Mark,

    Do you really want to continue with your gossipy obsession with characterizing people who disagree with you? Because, if so, I may have to delve more deeply into the research that suggests homophones might be hidden homosexuals.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  142. 145. Oh, today Food Stamps are cut back >6%.

    Extended unemployment bennies run out Jan. 1.

    Both are Stimulus related boosts.

    The Farm bill(provider of Food Stamps) is still being regarded as warily as roadkill.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  143. Leviticus,

    Ultimately, I’m afraid that cynicism will be a big part of Obama’s legacy, like Nixon’s. My first Presidential vote was for Nixon and it soured me on politics for years. That’s a terrible thing to do to a nation and its people for power.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  144. the reverse multiplier effects are going to be devastating Mr. gary

    not devastating like what happened when Mt. St. Helens blew up and startled all the forest creatures

    devastating like what happens when you do something the economic model in the computer wasn’t written to handle

    we’re in uncharted territory booba

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  145. 146. I hope this doesn’t mean I have to treat Gay Prostitute as tho he’s St. Francis.

    Not that I could be intimidated.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  146. if you were hoping to make hay while the sun shines you are screwed

    cause of the sun has set on a declining america

    a declining obamaraped left in the ditch to bleed out like a pig america

    but let your heart not be troubled

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  147. And I thought I could go on living blissfully without ever knowing who Aziz Ansari was. One click (to Netflix) and innocence lost. It almost makes want to be pessimistic too, except that I don’t think that will do any good either.

    nk (dbc370)

  148. Comment by Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 11/1/2013 @ 1:15 am

    Republicans are going to have one solid shot at seriously amending this thing — a repeal will be vetoed, but a massive scaleback might squeak through if Obama has enough egg on his face. Sometime early next year. Hopefully they will have a coherent plan.

    No, sometime between about March and May-June-July-August of 2015. It’ll take that long for Obama to confess failure.

    He might be amenable to signing almost anything that can pass Congress, then.

    What you might get in 2014, is some minor tinkering to avoid failure, and deal with crisis.

    Sammy Finkelman (78d0b5)

  149. *makes me want*

    nk (dbc370)

  150. 144. Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 11/1/2013 @ 7:18 am

    Washington Post:

    The federal government spent an average of $4,362 on each non-disabled adult on Medicaid in 2011, the most recent year for which data are available.

    By contrast, the Congressional Budget Office projects that the average government subsidy in the exchange marketplace will hover around $5,500.

    Wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah.

    The federal government picks up only a portion of Medicaid costs.

    In these cases, it’ll pick up 100% for people in the Medicaid expansion category.

    But states will also pay more money. States will pay their usual percentage for Medicaid for those people previously eligible but who hadn’t enrolled. (the article says that would be about one third of the new enrollees)

    And, if I am right, a lot of these new enrolless won’t cost the states nothing, as would have bene the case 10 or 15 years ago, because they’ll put them into HMOs, so it’ll cost money even if they never see a doctor.

    Prior to Obamacare people enrolled in Medicaid mostly at the instigation of a doctor or hospital.

    Sammy Finkelman (78d0b5)

  151. I watched that Aziz show

    he’s not very talented at all and i haven’t watched any stand-up since

    not after watching the extremely over-rated louis ck person and aziz back to back

    done and done for awhile

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  152. 120.

    It’s only Part D where they have this problem. The artyocle doesn’t explain what they are doing different.

    They have some trouble stopping benefits when a patient is dead. This is probably a new problem.

    It used to be, when all Medicare was fee for service, that when somebody was dead, they stopped getting medical treatment. And providers stopped billing. And they never had to take steps to stop payment when somebody died, beyond what you would normally do to prevent fraudulent biling.

    But this is no longer true because now many people are in Medicare HMOs.

    Sammy Finkelman (78d0b5)

  153. Starting Friday, Joyce Lewis and her family will lose $44 from their monthly food stamp benefits.

    The food stamps buy a lot of economical rice-based meals for the family — four adults and a grandson who live with Lewis in Spring Hill, Florida.

    Occasionally, when her grocery store is running a deal, Lewis indulges the family with spare ribs or chicken.

    The benefit — totaling $800 for four adults — never lasts Lewis and her family a full month.

    “When I get to the end, we always run out. I try to go to all the food pantries,” Lewis said.

    you can’t feed 4 people for a month on $800 seriously?

    lady sit down

    get your act together

    it ain’t getting any better for you cause of guess what?

    all the seed corn’s been eaten by hordes of momos like yourself

    so plan accordingly sweetie

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  154. But… but… teh cupboard is bare!

    Colonel Haiku (1d6084)

  155. Make me wanna holler, throw up on my hands

    Colonel Haiku (1d6084)

  156. DRJ… we don’t have Dick Nixon to kick around any more. Except for his criminal tendencies, he was a good prez…

    Colonel Haiku (1d6084)

  157. Hey, Mark… one of the best guys I’ve worked with and for absolutely worshipped Liza Minelli. And I loved him for it.

    Colonel Haiku (f416ac)

  158. Amend 404Care, the Thugs?

    After the primaries when they have more flexibility.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  159. Nixon was … well … complex. Couldn’t handle hippies was his biggest downfall, I think. He took us off the gold standard. I don’t know how I feel about that. He and Brezhnev established detente. Meh. Did he give Medicare to my parents? Love him for that. Did he keep me from going to Viet Nam? Yup, love him even more and all Americans should just for that (not because of me but because of themselves).

    nk (dbc370)

  160. Mr feets–it would make a great story indeed if a really open minded reporter with a home economist or a good home cook in tow would follow Joyce around to observe and ask some questions as she shops for groceries, uses up her pantry and cupboard staples, and “cooks” for her 5 person family. It could maybe even make a cool FRONTLINE episode if PBS weren’t so corrupt. I’d sure like to see how she uses and apportions her food stamp $800. along with the additional items she is able to acquire from “all” the food pantries.

    elissa (3bb323)

  161. Via Larwyn:

    http://cei.org/news-releases/second-federal-court-green-lights-lawsuit-against-obamacare?

    Employer mandate triggered in States with their own exchanges? Who knew?

    http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/178386/

    So many layers of disaster here. It’s like peeling an onion of fail.

    Heh.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  162. Alternatively, perhaps we could get a reporter to follow Mark around to see what he’s up to. IYKWIMAITYD.

    elissa (3bb323)

  163. Lol, elissa

    Colonel Haiku (f416ac)

  164. i used to have this girlfriend known as elsie

    when they cut her food stamps she screamed like a banshee

    she wasn’t what you’d call a frugalista

    to be honest she was really quite the feaster

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  165. ==Comment by Colonel Haiku (f416ac) — 11/1/2013 @ 8:33 am=

    You know, now that you mention it, Mark does seem to have a curious interest in and awareness of musical theater with all the “Don’t cry for us, Argentina” stuff he posts here.

    elissa (3bb323)

  166. A modest fiddle with the market:

    http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2013/10/cash-for-clunkers-evaluation-gayer

    Next maybe these folk will look into Green Shoots?

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  167. I live alone and my food bill is about $400.00/month. But it’s high-protein, high-carb, high-fat. Sugar is cheap, REALLY cheap on a per calorie basis. 320 calories for $0.50 if you like Orange Crush, 250 calories for $0.75 if you like Snickers. I won’t touch rice, it’s mostly worthless. No, four people are not living high off the hog on $800.00/month. For sure they are not even eating McDonald’s. McDonald’s is a penny per calorie. 20,000 calories per month? You do the math.

    nk (dbc370)

  168. nk–outside of times of war and famine what food we consume is a choice and one of the most important choices we can make. I could could cook a daily banquet for these people on $800 a month plus food pantry items. A veritable banquet with meat and high quality protein and vegetable in nearly every meal. Even some dessert.

    elissa (3bb323)

  169. Mark – How old are you? Are you married, to a woman?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  170. Can someone please investigate to find out if John Roberts is eating gay delicacies while the rest of us are stuck eating straight crap?

    Icy (713e9d)

  171. 172. I’ve done our food budget a number of times as we’ve continued to cut costs.

    For three cats, a female organic vegan, a five-year old, and a male dreaming of steak and ice cream, eating peanut butter, the bill refuses to fall below $750.

    And really I can’t follow my wife’s fast food binges or family trips. The idealized budget is hardly representative.

    Kitty litter and indigestible household incidentals are included however.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  172. Earthquakes liquefy terra firma.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/31/Boo-GOP-Is-Committing-Political-Suicide

    Again, I bet the GOP loses ground in the Senate one more time.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  173. “Republican elite” is an oxymoron

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  174. I’m all for eviscerating hypocrisy and the sanctimonius and self-righteous are eminently deserving.

    While not especially perceptive, ol’ Mark doesn’t set my irony meter trembling.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  175. More documentation of failure:

    http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2013/10/physical-therapist-in-ny-chimes-in-on.html

    When a necessary service breaks completely down Amerikkka will turn to the Federal government to fix it, right?

    Well that’s been the pattern but government as the rapist hasn’t quite been this evident, I’m feeling.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  176. Best of teh web Today, Friday November 1, 2013: When Fraud Is Legal Under socialism, there’s no such thing as consumer protection

    Suppose BHO Insurance Co. decides it wants to corner its state’s market in automobile coverage. It begins an aggressive ad campaign offering a too-good-to-be-true deal: Sign up with us, and we’ll give you better coverage at lower premiums. We’re so sure you’ll love our deal that if you like the terms of your existing policy, you’ll be able to keep them–GUARANTEED!

    The ad campaign, with the company’s charismatic president acting as pitchman, is a smashing success. The competing companies lose so much business that they declare bankruptcy or are acquired by BHO. But BHO’s policies are more expensive, and they include “comprehensive” coverage most customers neither need nor want. Take it or leave it, the company says, reneging on its guarantee in the knowledge that state law requires cars to be insured before they can be driven on public streets.

    You’d call that a bait-and-switch. The legal term is fraud….It seems to us that morally speaking, ObamaCare is the rough equivalent of our fictional scenario. The most salient difference is a way in which ObamaCare is worse than BHO Insurance Co.: The ObamaCare fraud was conducted irrespective of the volition of the “customers.” Obama and his compatriots were able to carry out their scam merely by twisting arms in Congress’s back rooms.

    although it still might worth it complaining to the FTC. (link at comment 8)

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  177. Do you really want to continue with your gossipy obsession with characterizing people who disagree with you? Because, if so, I may have to delve more deeply into the research that suggests homophones might be hidden homosexuals.

    DRJ, I don’t think that’s a fair characterization of the point I was trying to make. For one thing, it hasn’t been just me who has expressed puzzlement about the odd nature of John Roberts apparently changing his opinion on Obamacare rather late in the judicial process. Moreover, the gossip actually relates not to his sexuality but to the methods he and his wife used in getting reportedly “ideal” type of children for adoption, referring to kids that many other couples find just about impossible to have access to.

    The important thing to focus on is if a possible scandal like that does exist in his background, then that combined with other aspects of his life he’d prefer not to have divulged makes the theory that he succumbed to threats of blackmail not all that implausible.

    As for “homophobe” or “homophobia” — which, along with the “race card,” often is a concept pulled out with glee by the left — that might apply in the context of very political discussions if a high percentage of folks in the GLBT category were centrists or conservatives instead of liberals. But that ain’t reality. IOW, I can’t help it if a high number of homosexuals, for any number of reasons, do tilt left.

    Mark (58ea35)

  178. Communists RELY on the STUPIDITY of the masses. Then they step on those very Stupid citizens necks.
    Obama is no different. He is a communist, and has willing sycophants with willing NECKS.

    GUS (70b624)

  179. elissa,

    This article explains another reason the insurance executives won’t defy Obama or complain about ObamaCare: They can’t afford many changes to the law or it will bankrupt them.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  180. My daughter is 30 owns a house is working part time. She has been paying $300 a month for healthcare, which she can’t afford, but pays it anyway. With the subsidies offered by the ACA she’ll be getting a better plan for $50 a month.

    Randy (c339c9)

  181. Randy, that may be completely true, and good for your daughter.
    That alone, however, does not mean that ObamaCare is the best way to address health care provision issues as a whole.
    The promise of President Obama was not that ObamaCare would be good for some and the rest of us needed to suck it up and pay for it; his promise would be that his plan would make health care cheaper for everyone while maintaining individual choice (and not resort to rationing).
    On its face it could not have been true, unless one assumed there were many rich doctors, nurses, nurses aides, lab techs, drug manufacturers, workers in drug manufacturing g plants, etc., etc., that could afford to have the blood squeezed out of them.
    And if that was the choice, the blood squeezing should start with the President and members of Congress that demand that the rest of us be squeezed.

    I have friends who are seminary students. My understanding is that they could get coverage for about $90.00 a month, but they are not as they do not trust the security of the web site (as has been mentioned by others).

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  182. Randy – Congrats! What would her premium have been without the subsidies?

    JD (e09bea)

  183. Randy, celebrate the culture of entitlements.

    SPQR (768505)

  184. Subsidies are a bad thing for America and American taxpayers not a good thing. This is true whether the subsidies are going to farmers, toward energy boondoggles, or to help pay for somebody’s health insurance.

    elissa (6c1958)


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