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10/30/2013

Sebelius Testifies To Congress – Updated, Updated, Updated and More

Filed under: General — JD @ 9:38 am

[guest post by JD]

I don’t want to give misinformation to the American public.

The website has never crashed.

She also pushed the Admin lie that if you like your coverage, you can keep your coverage. Period. . Unless your copay increases by $5. Or your coinsurance increases by any amount. It doesn’t matter, it was an objective intentional knowing LIE from the moment it was first uttered by TOTUS.

Teh One of transitioning to single payer.

I loathe these liars. Their collectivist utopian power and control ideals are hurting real people. /spit

Update *** – Don’t do this to me.

Whatever

Sebelius the dishonest prevaricator also told us that healthcare.gov is now in beta testing, almost a full month after it went live. We are in the best of hands.

More

At this point, what difference does it make?!

GET OVER IT

Tapper – United States of uh, Whatever

Great exchange
Rep. Ellmers: You also brought up the issue, when you were in Kansas [as governor and health insurance commissioner], that you fought against discriminatory issues. Now I–you know, as far as the essential health benefits [of Obamacare], correct me if I’m wrong, do men not have to buy maternity coverage?
Sec. Sebelius: Policies will cover maternity coverage for young and healthy–
Rep. Ellmers: Including men?
Sec. Sebelius: Under 30-year-olds will have a choice also of a catastrophic plan which has no maternity coverage.
Rep. Ellmers: The men are required to purchase–
Sec. Sebelius: Well, an insurance policy has a series of benefits, whether you use them or not. And one of the benefits will be–
Rep. Ellmers: And that is why the health care premiums are increasing this high, because we’re forcing them to buy things they will never need. Thank you, madam chairman.
Sec. Sebelius: The individual policies cover families. Men often do need maternity coverage for their spouses and for their families, yes.
Rep. Ellmers: Single male, age 32, does not need maternity coverage. [Crosstalk] Rep. Ellmers: To the best of your knowledge has a man ever delivered a baby?
Sec. Sebelius: I don’t think so.
Chair: The gentlelady’s time has expired.
[Laughter]

—JD

351 Responses to “Sebelius Testifies To Congress – Updated, Updated, Updated and More”

  1. Per Dan Collins:

    If you like your doctor you can whatever.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  2. The contempt I have for these liars cannot be put into the proper words.

    JD (5c1832)

  3. Yeah. They lied. And they continue to lie. And they don’t care who knows it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1qroY4SQLw They probably think it’s cute.

    nk (dbc370)

  4. Did anyone ask them about the time frame, leading up to the election, where HHS did not issue any of their noxious regulations, a long time frame that kept the contractors in the dark about how the system would be set up? Did they ask if that was done for political reasons?

    JD (5c1832)

  5. Don’t transition me bro!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  6. My Congress Loon tells the other side of the aisle to – GET OVER IT!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  7. McVain says they’ll pass Amnesty after the Primaries.

    I’d guess we’ve seen the last of personal appearances, town halls, kissing babies and pressing the flesh from most of these Critters.

    ‘Inciting terrorism’ wouldn’t be prudent.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  8. #6, yeah, I’m writing to that (can’t think of bad enough insults) right now to tell her I’ll “get over it” once she and her staffers have to get on it.

    Basta (e24e79)

  9. ADP, a payroll service outfit, reports that 130,000 jobs were created last month.

    Usually their estimate is much higher than the BLS household survey and Gallup, sometimes twice as high.

    So much for hiring in anticipation of Xmas frenzy.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  10. someone should write a singing about the obamacares like the one gordon lightfoot did about the wreck of the edmund fitzgerald

    this will be useful later when we produce Obamacare: The Musical, which is sure to be well-received on both Broadway and the silver screen as well

    I hope the musical has a loveable dog in it like how they have in Annie

    everyone likes dogs, even people what are victims of the obamacares

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  11. daleyrocks, as compared to your lifer commie congressloon my first term congressloon has plenty to worry about in 2014. He’s been sorta quiet lately. No announced constituent meetings or town halls scheduled. Strangely, his most recent propaganda and “voter issue” questionnaire did not mention the Unaffordable Care Act.

    elissa (ed2492)

  12. surrey with the fringe up ur poopa

    pdbuttons (2d1ac4)

  13. George Will says to let them live with it until Obama begs for help.

    MikeK (dc6ffe)

  14. Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 10/30/2013 @ 10:24 am

    Christmas this year will be a part-time celebration.

    As to the testimony of KS on the function of the website:

    <i>Who you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  15. elissa – I don’t believe Jan has held a publicized town hall meeting on health care since the one I tried to attend the summer of 2009. It was too full so I had to hang around outside with all the lefty weirdos. I would love to ask Jan some questions in a public forum but she seems to keep her speaking schedule pretty private. She also does not respond to my emails for some reason. Maybe I should visit her local office.

    I could ask her staff in a loud voice about the Bob Dole pills and why an old guy like me who would be purchasing individual insurance has to purchase maternity coverage if I am not planning on getting pregnant or delivering a baby in the coming year.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  16. feets, are they in rehearsal yet on “Barack Obama – Super Star!”?

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  17. Sebelius adopted Valerie Jarrett’s argument that Obama kept his promise that people can keep their health care, and it’s the insurance companies that are making people lose coverage.

    These people are shameless.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  18. Yes, but tar & feathers stick to shameless just as well, which is what they are for.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  19. the farmer and the cowman should be friends

    pdbuttons (2d1ac4)

  20. The problem isn’t the lying. I expect politicians to lie, especially Democrat politicians.

    It’s the sure knowledge that they’ll get away with it that binds my bowels.

    Now, out of here before the awful one comes along and soils the thread.

    Pious Agnostic (c45233)

  21. Might say that she has taken a torch to the Obama MisAdmininstration’s credibility, but they ahd none in the 1st place.

    Bugg (ddac6e)

  22. Sebelius adopted Valerie Jarrett’s argument that Obama kept his promise that people can keep their health care, and it’s the insurance companies that are making people lose coverage.

    maybe that’s because you can keep your plan unless the insurance agency chooses to change it. and if the insurance agency changes it would it still be your original plan? No, not really. So yeah it is entirely on the insurance agencies. They have complete and total freedom to let you stay on your plan, or they have the ability to take it away, just as it has always been. Obamacare changed nothing in that regard.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  23. DRJ – It is disgusting how they simply continue to lie.

    JD (5c1832)

  24. Even Glenn Kessler says you are a 4 Pinnochio liar, falalalala.

    JD (5c1832)

  25. Just ignore it. Please.

    elissa (ed2492)

  26. Sebelius shares the opinion of a majority of America with respect to Obamacare when asked this morning if she would buy a policy on an exchange if it were legal for her to do so, responding over a hot mic, “don’t do this to me.”

    http://twitchy.com/2013/10/30/dont-do-this-to-me-kathleen-sebelius-busted-whining-on-hot-mic-video/

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  27. Thanks to today’s hearing, now Congressional Republicans know the proper way to respond when they don’t like Democratic policies:

    Get over it.

    Whatever.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  28. You know who’s the happiest team D man in America these days? That would be Thomas Daschle.

    elissa (ed2492)

  29. Oh, the website is in beta testing. That explains everything. /s

    Theses hearings are great because the more they talk, the angrier people get. Not the right (they are already angry over the deceptions and falsehoods), but the center-left people — they are just now catching up. Obama and company wasted half a billion tax dollars for a broken system and the President knows nothing about it — and they are trying their level best to sell all of this. Oh, and the best part: the Obama administration equates responsibility with blaming others. People loving it, not so much.

    …and it’s still broken.

    Also, the middle class is just starting to realize that:
    a) they are being ripped-off
    b) they may be facing a gap in coverage (not good for things like chemo and surgery)
    c) they are losing their doctors

    They just might want some TEA (and not by choice, but by no-choice).

    Wait until they realize that the death panels are real.

    Pons Asinorum (8ce71a)

  30. It’s amazing to see Sebelius act like an insecure teenager, with her “Whatever’s” and “Don’t do this to me.” The Republican in me is glad she’s so pathetic but the adult in me is embarrassed.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  31. ** oops

    the middle class = a few million middle class people

    The “middle class” will be in 2015 when this kicks in for employers.

    Pons Asinorum (8ce71a)

  32. Her performance today should have cemented her earliest possible political demise. Even WAPO says Washington is on “deathwatch” with respect to Secretary Sebelius.

    elissa (ed2492)

  33. Hey, all you stupid Americans who lost health insurance coverage you like because it it not grandfathered under the incredibly narrow rules Obama and Sebelius are responsible writing which ensured virtually no individual market policies would be grandfathered.

    Yeah, I’m talking to you dummies

    Your insurance carriers are responsible for the policies not being grandfathered under the rules they didn’t write.

    GET OVER IT!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  34. Exactly, daleyrocks. Because everyone knows insurance companies’ main goal is to get rid of paying customers.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  35. Every day she stays in that post is another day she mismanages Obamacare. I am in no hurry to see her go.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  36. Pons – The one Congresscritter tried to get Sebelius to address the potential gaps in coverage due to the cancellations due to ObamaCare, and the utterly incompetent government roll out of this awful plan. She studiously avoided addressing the issue, and if they are doing anything to backstop this eventuality.

    JD (5c1832)

  37. Remember that anti-Romney ad about Mitt “killing” some guy’s wife by laying him off? The 2014 ads against Democrat Senators are going to write themselves, and sadly so.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  38. A Government of Trolls.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  39. Let me be perfectly clear, under the rules which were written and which Obama and Sebelius are responsible for implementing relating to the grandfathering of existing policies, it became a virtual certainty that no policies extant on March 23, 2010 would be grandfathered as of 1/01/14, but it is the responsibility of insurance companies for canceling the non-grandfathered policies.

    Not even a good fairy tale.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  40. It’s rather amazing, actually. The Left LOVES to regulate things they don’t like out of existence. As far as I can tell it’s their favorite trick when they can’t get their way legislatively.

    Can they actually, truly, be surprised when they write the rules in such a way to coerce a business to comply with their will or face regulatory penalties, that the company isn’t actually free to “choose” to fail to comply?

    Truly? It beggers belief that they are so foolish.

    Pious Agnostic (c45233)

  41. Here’s some good insight from Holman Jenkins in the WSJ:

    The press stinks at covering abstractions, which the health-care debate was until a law was enacted and put into effect. With real-world results now to unpack and examine, NBC News gave airtime to a 62-year-old North Carolina man whose monthly premium just jumped $800

    A nod goes to the Los Angeles Times, whose coverage of the inequities of ObamaCare has been exemplary. On Monday, it set the political world afire with a story about thousands of Californians losing coverage. “This is when the actual sticker shock comes into play for people,” UCLA health-care researcher Gerald Kominski told the paper. “There are winners and losers under the Affordable Care Act.”

    CNN and CBS have also come through with some very credible and decent (albeit delayed) reporting. The White House is not used to dealing with this.

    elissa (ed2492)

  42. the middle class = a few million middle class people

    I have seen numbers between 14 and 25 million for those on individual plans. There may be some discrepancy on whether they are counting plans or people. The number of these that are affected also varies, but the 2 million number seems low since no one is grandfathered who started their current plan in the last 3 1/2 years, and it is a rare plan that does not undergo some disqualifying change from time to time.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  43. “The White House is not used to dealing with this.”

    elissa – A bit of an understatement for this administration.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  44. elissa–

    I think that the MSM is being fair on this because health care is something they care about and can empathize with, as opposed to, say, guns.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  45. Elissa – What are they used to dealing with? Calls from their college buddies about no competition contracts?

    JD (5c1832)

  46. Well, Tlaloc tried to come to the defense of Sebelius, but you can tell that even he can’t spin this one away. When you’ve lost Tlaloc. . . .

    JVW (a67f51)

  47. I think the reason the media isn’t good at “dealing with abstractions” is because their default position is to always take what is fed to them by the the academic/bureaucratic axis at face value where it is liberal policy positions that are being promoted. One of the best possible outcomes from all this would be if regular Americans started being a bit more skeptical about some of the stupid leftist social policy promoted by universities and liberal think tanks.

    JVW (a67f51)

  48. Yes, indeed. The WH is flailing wildly and they are so obviously terribly bad at “handling” and “managing” the truths of this fiasco because they’ve not ever had to do so before during the entire administration and in the campaign that preceded it.

    elissa (ed2492)

  49. I’m glad the media is covering this more than past Obama stories, and I hope this makes them more willing to revisit other scandals. As for why the media is covering this now, I bet journalists have friends and families who are losing their coverage, too. And it may be especially hard for journalists to ignore stories about health care because they seem more sensitive to stories that touch viewers’ emotions.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  50. Thanks to Obama and his allies in the Big Biz GOP, there won’t be a middle class by the end of his turn.

    Bugg (ddac6e)

  51. Obama loves poor people so much, that he wants to create more of them !

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  52. I bet journalists have friends and families who are losing their coverage, too. And it may be especially hard for journalists to ignore stories about health care because they seem more sensitive to stories that touch viewers’ emotions

    I agree, if we just could find some “journalists” in the msm

    EPWJ (bdd0a6)

  53. I bet journalists have friends and families who are losing their coverage, too.

    And I’d bet a significant portion of the 5% (over the 47%) which voted for Obama. Which makes me hug myself gleefully and go “Tee hee hee!”

    nk (dbc370)

  54. If you don’t like your Secretary of Health and Human Services, are you required to keep her ?

    ‘Cause I don’t like her. Or something.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  55. As for the White House, I assume the Obama response will be to pressure the media not to cover these stories or to discredit them, and to focus on the White House propaganda instead. (I suspect that might be why the recent NBC News’ report was taken down for several hours.) That’s how this Administration operates when bad news happens. So far, this approach is working to keep the insurance companies quiet and it might work with the media, too. But then I see reports like the AP admitting the Obama Administration has only let an AP photographer take photos in the Oval Office twice in 5 years, and I think the tide may be turning.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  56. Comment by Pious Agnostic (c45233) — 10/30/2013 @ 11:30 am

    If it moves, Tax it.
    If it keeps moving, Regulate it.
    If it stops moving, Subsidize it!

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  57. Wasn’t one of those AP photographs when Obama was on the phone with Netanyahu, and he had his feet up on the desk ?

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  58. The Man is truly a Class Act.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  59. Elephant Stone:

    58.Wasn’t one of those AP photographs when Obama was on the phone with Netanyahu, and he had his feet up on the desk ?

    I don’t think so. The credit on the photo is Pete Souza, the White House photographer. Amazingly, the White House seemed to think that was a cool photo of Obama, instead of realizing it might be taken as an insult.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  60. I really enjoyed the split screen CNN had–while she was testifying, they had the screen up that showed the site down.

    rochf (f3fbb0)

  61. DRJ,

    Knowing Obama, he may have realized it would be perceived as an insult, and therefore that’s why the photo was released to the public !

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  62. Keep in mind that HHS blew something like half a billion on this web site. That could have paid for a lot of birth control pills.

    They were still writing the bill when it passed. Why should we expect this to be any different?

    Amphipolis (d3e04f)

  63. lying liar lies… what a surprise!

    i wonder if Flailalot is actually Sebelius?

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  64. Two things which I’ve heard:

    1) That there is a specific exemption to the “your insurance changed (an itsy bit) so you can’t keep it” rule for insurance policies that were obtained through collective bargaining, i.e., for now the unions are exempt from the pain- so somebody somewhere understood the problem.

    2) That things were going well for the website until about one month out. Prior to that, the designers had made it user friendly and accessible so you could get info and compare plans and such first without creating an account. So with a month left the political types in the administration said no to that and told them to do the “sign in first, give all of your info so we can see if you qualify for a subsidy and don’t get sticker shock” format. So, with one month to significantly change the design of the site things did not go well.

    So maybe some of the computer people did know what they were doing, but were sabotaged by other factors.

    Open to hear either point amplified, bona-fide, clarified, or disputified.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  65. Elections. Have. Consequences.

    Period

    Colonel Haiku (879b60)

  66. At the original third link, Sec. Sibelius has authored the definitive bumper-sticker and t-shirt slogan:
    Obamacare: Don’t Do This to Me.™

    Also, collecting clips of people saying “Whatever” in addition to “What difference does it make” and “if you like it, you can keep it.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  67. #22… Epic Failalot… #38… Mos Def!!!

    Colonel Haiku (1cfc51)

  68. We’re all going to need to take advantage of our mental health coverage before this a-hole Obama leaves the White House.

    Good Allah.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  69. I don’t like it and they can shove it!

    Colonel Haiku (1cfc51)

  70. #67… That should sell like hot cakes, MD.

    Colonel Haiku (1cfc51)

  71. That could have paid for a lot of birth control boner pills.

    Amphipolis – FTFY sexist.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  72. Bound bowels is not covered under ObamaCare, Pious…

    Colonel Haiku (1cfc51)

  73. OK this made me laugh out loud. The President is screwing up Boston’s world series. (Of course Howie Carr may be a racist.)

    http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/columnists/howie_carr/2013/10/carr_we_already_met_our_knucklehead_quota

    elissa (62ae90)

  74. Tlaloc #22,

    You are literally the textbook definition of a low information voter.
    You simply don’t know what’s going on. You’re ignorant.
    The Unaffordable Don’t Care Act forces insurance companies to make alterations to people’s health insurance policies. The bill mandates certain coverage, which was not previously required.

    Some people will accuse you of “playing stupid.”
    But I don’t think you’re “playing” stupid.
    You just are.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  75. Not stupid, Stones, he’s weak-minded.

    Colonel Haiku (1cfc51)

  76. The troll is not worthy of discussion.

    elissa (62ae90)

  77. Elissa – that is hysterical

    JD (3a5cf2)

  78. The outrage machine should go in overdrive over that column, Elissa.

    JD (3a5cf2)

  79. Almost makes me want to root for the Red Sock in the World Serious Cup. Naah, I still don’t like Bostonians. I hate seeing them celebrate. I don’t mind White Sox fans celebrating at Kaminsky Field. They’re Chicagoans too.

    nk (dbc370)

  80. Anybody else listening to the lies of Obama right now?

    “If you had one of these substandard plans….”

    Steve57 (338553)

  81. The man is transparent. That’s one promise he made good on.

    Steve57 (338553)

  82. Nothing more transparent than empty space.

    nk (dbc370)

  83. Elephant Stone,

    He probably did. He seems to love insulting Israel and Netanyahu.

    MD,

    I don’t put bumper stickers on my cars but I would consider putting that one on. It’s that good.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  84. I can’t wait for tonite’s game between the Redbirds and the Red Sock at Funway Field in the World Serious Cup. It’s good to see that some people are taking Me-Chelle’s advice to get some exercise. Or whatever.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  85. The campaign slogan just write themselves–whatever Don’t do this to me. If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. I don’t work for the people who are criticizing me. And these are just off the top of my head today.

    rochf (f3fbb0)

  86. That Carr thing is a hoot, elissa

    Colonel Haiku (9a1c93)

  87. Hope and Strange

    Colonel Haiku (9a1c93)

  88. The website has never crashed.

    What is she talking about? It was down twice this week. No, 3 times if this a new one.

    It was down for 17 hours Sunday and Monday albeit that was because the database verification system was down.

    We must analyze and parse this statement.

    How does she define crash? Complete collapse – i.e. website becomes unusuable and cannot be brought back up?

    No. She means that when you typed in the URL https://www.healthcare.gov you never got a message saying something like:

    Sorry ‘healthcare.gov’ does not exist or is not available.

    and you never got a 404 error.

    Yesterday, soimeone testified that the web site worked – slowly maybe but it always worked. Meaning, some applications were processed.

    I don’t think they came out in a form usable by the insurance companies.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  89. I’m afraid there’s an audit in Carr’s immediate future

    Colonel Haiku (42710d)

  90. I’m sure Howie is no stranger to audits, as he has been bashing Dims of every stripe for many years. He does quite well at getting his liberal commenters riled up.

    PatAZ (24f9d8)

  91. Kathleen Sebelius isn’t sure whether or not a man has ever given birth.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  92. Sammy,

    I suspect the HHS will claim the website never crashed because it was intentionally taken down for repairs, back up, monitoring, testing, etc. That isn’t convincing but truth doesn’t seem to be a concern of this Administration.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  93. Sebelius said a man needed maternity coverage in case he gets married, but isn’t it the woman’s responsibility to get her own coverage?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  94. “maybe that’s because you can keep your plan unless the insurance agency chooses to change it. and if the insurance agency changes it would it still be your original plan? No, not really. So yeah it is entirely on the insurance agencies. They have complete and total freedom to let you stay on your plan, or they have the ability to take it away, just as it has always been. Obamacare changed nothing in that regard.

    Comment by Tlaloc (d061fc) —”

    Gosh, I had to scroll all the way up there to see the troll.

    Here is some remedial education for trolls.

    This explain it in such simple terms a troll might get it.

    Well…

    MikeK (dc6ffe)

  95. 4. Comment by JD (5c1832) — 10/30/2013 @ 9:55 am

    Did anyone ask them about the time frame, leading up to the election, where HHS did not issue any of their noxious regulations, a long time frame that kept the contractors in the dark about how the system would be set up? Did they ask if that was done for political reasons/

    the press did when this came out and there was a ststement there was no White House influence.

    Maybe whoever was responsible for approving regulations took a leave of absence to help with the campaign.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  96. Sebelius said a man needed maternity coverage in case he gets married, but isn’t it the woman’s responsibility to get her own coverage?

    DRJ – how silly to expect the wymmenz to provide for themselves. Everyone knows that only a man, or the govt can properly provide for the wymmenz.

    JD (3a5cf2)

  97. Sammy, can I interest you in purchasing a bridge ? I’ll give you a special price.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  98. 94. Charlie is so smart he can make the complex simple.

    I’m jealous.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  99. 50. Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 10/30/2013 @ 11:55 am

    As for why the media is covering this now, I bet journalists have friends and families who are losing their coverage, too.

    And colleagues. Many are freelancers. I have read columnists saying they are losing insurance.

    It’s probably higher than the nationwide average of 7% of the people getting policies on the individual market and 3% (almost half of those 7%) losing their policies.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  100. Maybe whoever was responsible for approving regulations took a leave of absence to help with the campaign.

    And maybe monkeys will fly out my butt.

    SPQR (768505)

  101. The most dishonest presidential administration in the US of this country.

    And when I look over the list of crooks and scoundrels that this country has had as President, that’s saying something.

    More crooked than Harding, more dishonest than Nixon, more tyrannical than Wilson, and more incompetent than every last one of them.

    SPQR (768505)

  102. Sebelius said a man needed maternity coverage in case he gets married, but isn’t it the woman’s responsibility to get her own coverage?

    Sebelius is an old, old married woman. She has likely forgotten that when she got married she got added to her husband’s policy or he to hers, and when they had children the children got added, and in those instances the individual policies were converted to family plans. Whether private or employer-provided. But younger people know that what she’s saying is nonsense. Again, I hope that many are Obama voters.

    nk (dbc370)

  103. Comment by MikeK (dc6ffe) — 10/30/2013 @ 2:15 pm

    Charlie did a first rate job on that parody, but it would still be beyond the intellectual capacity and capabilities of our average troll, and Turdlock is well below average.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  104. #101–maybe Obama can get his own reality show after leaving office. I see that Edwin Edwards has one now that he’s been released from prison. Surely Obama has committed enough crimes to qualify for a show.

    rochf (f3fbb0)

  105. Howie had a hit put on him by Whitey Bulger. I don’t think he’s worried about the spineless President.

    Birdbath (716828)

  106. Surely Obama has committed enough crimes to qualify for prison.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  107. Bloomberg paints our glorious reduction in the deficit to $700 billion year-on-year:

    Revenue jumped 15.2 percent to $301.4 billion in September from a year earlier, bringing the annual figure to $2.77 trillion, today’s report showed. Spending increased 21.5 percent to $226.4 billion last month, contributing to a 12-month total of $3.45 trillion, it showed.

    Record tax receipts. No word on how much was rotated forward last Jan.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  108. Sammy:

    And colleagues. Many are freelancers. I have read columnists saying they are losing insurance.

    Good point.

    nk,

    I think this is your point but it seems to me that Sebelius, as the head of HHS, should understand better than anyone that everyone is supposed to have their own coverage under ObamaCare. JD is right. Sebelius’ notion that men will be providing for their wives’ healthcare is a very paternalistic idea for a very progressive Administration.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  109. This will affect employer based plans in several ways. They are dropping dependents (including the famous 26 year old), so they will have to go to the exchanges. The unions saw the poison pill reg so they negotiated an exception for changed plans. That may not stand. Job lock is even worse now. I don’t think employers will put up with the crazy mandates.

    MikeK (dc6ffe)

  110. Well, that 60+ year old Geezer might have a hot 30’s something mistress, who can’t count.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  111. MikeK, when the lads from OFA come by and ‘splain to that business owner what’s in his best interest (with the goon-squad from SEIU standing behind them – but that might be redundant), there will be no more notion of not putting up with crazy mandates.
    That’s how things roll in the Fascist States of America.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  112. Exactly, DRJ. I can’t see a scenario that makes Sebelius’s babblings rational other than I (who am required to have insurance with female problem coverage) marry a girl off-the-boat who was not required to have insurance (not being in America) and she is automatically covered for the rest of our lives together with me still paying my bachelor rate even when we have the fifth kid. It’s ridiculous!

    nk (dbc370)

  113. when we have the fifth kid.

    Now that’s ridiculous (Heh!).

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  114. 5 Pinocchios for Juan Williams!!!

    Colonel Haiku (1871f4)

  115. But how would she be covered by your policy, nk? I thought illegal immigrants can’t be covered by ObamaCare, and legal immigrants and citizens have to have their own coverage.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  116. Colonel, does Juan Williams really believe half of the stuff he says on Fox News ?

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  117. You are literally the textbook definition of a low information voter.
    You simply don’t know what’s going on. You’re ignorant.
    The Unaffordable Don’t Care Act forces insurance companies to make alterations to people’s health insurance policies. The bill mandates certain coverage, which was not previously required.

    If you are going to accuse me of being a LiV it’d help if you didn’t follow up with a flagrant lie. The PPACA allows for grandfathered unchanged policies. The key being unchanged. If the insurance company alters the policy then it’s no longer the old policy, it’s a new policy which has to conform to the rules for new policies.

    Now you know, the question is- will you continue to reiterate your previous lie? I have a suspicion.

    Tlaloc (303f72)

  118. But, healthcare.gov does not work.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  119. Well, we’d have to be married for her to be covered in the first place, which would make her legal. Wasn’t Sebelius talking about wives? Before the marriage, she would be a foreign resident. But is even that possible? Does Obamacare say that I pay the same in 2013 and single as I do in 2018 and with a wife and five kids? I don’t think so.

    nk (dbc370)

  120. Kathleen Sebelius isn’t sure whether or not a man has ever given birth.

    Comment by Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 10/30/2013 @ 2:12 pm

    Give Sec. Sebelius credit for being a far better-trained liberal than most. She understands that someone born female and with female body parts might “self-identify” as a male — a homosexual male at that — and might become pregnant and carry a child to term. As I understand it, in the LBGTQ-friendly world this would be considered a case of a man bearing a child. An in California, he/she could choose his/her own school bathroom or locker room in which to deliver the child!

    JVW (709bc7)

  121. Probably sometime in the coming week or two, MSNBC will interview one of the 14 people in America who have one of those “unchanged, grand-fathered” policies – issued by a company that just withdrew from that state’s market.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  122. And Axelrod is still writing for the Chicago Tribune, just not under his byline. I won’t link it. You can check out the Obama-heinie-kissing from the Tribune yourselves at Google News if you want to throw up.

    nk (dbc370)

  123. JVW #120,

    Excellent point !

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  124. I did not think Ms Sebelius’ apologies, or her saying she takes full responsibility for the effup sounded very sincere. It didn’t seem like she was really into it on the hill today. But maybe that’s just me.

    elissa (62ae90)

  125. Sebelius-victim-card playing too.

    nk (dbc370)

  126. So what she accepted responsibility? There are no consequences, so what does it matter? She probably will be Hillary’s Vice President.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  127. FYI-
    Obamacare polling is close to its best numbers ever:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html

    Since Sept 17th the favorability has risen from -14 to -7 so far. That really doesn’t seem like the rollout has been a popular disaster, now does it?

    That’s a clue you guys are buying into a false narrative fuelled by confirmation bias.

    Also FYI

    It’s a littl early to tell but it looks possible that Obama’s favorability slide from last november has reversed since september.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

    That reversal, if it is real, may be entirely a product of the shutdown but at the very least the obamacare rollout doesn’t seem to be doing him much damage.

    Tlaloc (303f72)

  128. Everybody please ignore the creepazoid?

    nk (dbc370)

  129. Yay! Polls! SQUIRREL!

    JD (5c1832)

  130. Yeah, it’d be a shame if you based your actions on an understanding of reality. Why that might lead to you actually getting what you want out of life!

    Unless of course you feel like you’ve been getting what you want as is. Do you?

    Tlaloc (303f72)

  131. She probably will be Hillary’s Vice President.
    Comment by Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 10/30/2013 @ 4:09 pm

    Doubtful.
    When she made an endorsement in ’08, she stiffed Hill and went with Obama.
    The Clintons remember things like that.
    Plus, she’ll be politically toxic.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  132. Changing a co-pay by $5, or coinsurance by even 0.1%, or deductible upwards or downwards, or premium to reflect the market are not substantive changes. The grandfather provisions were written in such a way so as to guarantee that if you wanted to keep your plan, you could not. Intentionally. On purpose.

    And it is an outright lie to claim that just because a plan was cancelled that it was junk, or substandard, or whatever euphemism you clowns are using today. People, by and large, had insurance that fit the needs for theirselves, and their families. Now, they have to purchase maternity coverage, and the whole litany of leftist BS that this mandate requires.

    This is not by accident. It is by design.

    JD (5c1832)

  133. After mocking DRJ, and another afternoon of nonsense from the lying TA, I am going to break with tradition and let this clown sit in moderation. It makes ZERO attempt to debate, has shown bad faith in the face of good, and is generally an arse. If the boss wishes to take him out of moderation, he certainly can do so, so after the way he treated DRJ, and the constant lying, I have no use for it.

    JD (5c1832)

  134. Care to comment on any of the demonstrable lies told under oath by Sebelius today?

    JD (5c1832)

  135. Ardilla gigante,

    narciso (3fec35)

  136. We have a substandard President. And he’s making lots of Americans sick.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  137. JVW:

    Give Sec. Sebelius credit for being a far better-trained liberal than most. She understands that someone born female and with female body parts might “self-identify” as a male — a homosexual male at that — and might become pregnant and carry a child to term.

    There’s already been a pregnant “man” in Arizona. He has given birth to 3 children and now he wants a divorce, but an Arizona court ruled last Spring that it can’t give him one.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  138. Who are you talking about JD? That guy who seems to think healthcare.gov works?

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  139. Sounds like something the FDA, FTC, and EPA should look into.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  140. 139 is for 136

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  141. Changing a co-pay by $5, or coinsurance by even 0.1%, or deductible upwards or downwards, or premium to reflect the market are not substantive changes. The grandfather provisions were written in such a way so as to guarantee that if you wanted to keep your plan, you could not. Intentionally. On purpose.

    Neat, you think those aren’t meaningful changes. Of course why does your opinion matter?

    For that matter there’s a very good reason o do it the way they did- so that over time the number of old policies dwindle and are replaced by newer policies reflecting the desired coverage. What you are wanting is much like rent controlled apartments- a fundamentally market distorting lottery.

    Tlaloc (303f72)

  142. After mocking DRJ

    I have no idea what this is in reference to.

    Tlaloc (303f72)

  143. Tlaloc:

    For that matter there’s a very good reason o do it the way they did- so that over time the number of old policies dwindle and are replaced by newer policies reflecting the desired coverage.

    If the new policies are that good, people will want to buy them. Your point is people should be forced into “better” coverage because Democrats think it’s better, but that’s treats people like cattle instead of humans capable of making decisions.

    Plus, why do you want old policies to “dwindle” now that people are free to change their policies since pre-existing conditions no longer matter?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  144. If the new policies are that good, people will want to buy them.

    If only that were true. In fact if it were true there’d be no need for the PPACA at all. But of course it isn’t true. People do all manner of stupid things including buying bad deals and passing on good deals.

    Your point is people should be forced into “better” coverage because Democrats think it’s better, but that’s treats people like cattle instead of humans capable of making decisions.

    *shrug*
    When people insist on making bad choices sometimes the government has to step in. You have no problem with this when we are talking about people committing murder or using heroin, but for some reason you can’t imagine doing the same with regards to health insurance?

    Plus, why do you want old policies to “dwindle” now that people are free to change their policies since pre-existing conditions no longer matter?

    To reduce the incidence of medialc related bankruptcy.

    Tlaloc (303f72)

  145. In honor of the Obama & Sebelius Machine of lies and rabbit holes, I offer 1980s new wave group Thompson Twins with their hit song, simply entitled, “Lies.”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-aJXwpAgPA

    They also had a hit song called, “Doctor, Doctor,”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APyl6Cnbfzw which played in tandem with “Lies,” makes for a one-two punch to the gut of average Americans who liked their policy just the way it was, prior to being told lies about their doctor.

    In fact, singing along to “Doctor, Doctor” may be the closest attempted communication that a number of Americans will have with a doctor between now and January 20, 2017.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  146. I guess it didn’t stick.

    Pious Agnostic (ac89e5)

  147. “Plus, why do you want old policies to “dwindle” now that people are free to change their policies since pre-existing conditions no longer matter?”

    DRJ – I don’t want a lot of this “better coverage” that the overlords in Washington tell me I must accept. Much of that “better coverage” would normally be priced separately as a menu of riders to a basic policy from which I would be free to select any, all or none. Washington is now telling me I must take all, substantially increasing the cost of my health insurance and in the process taking away my ability to choose what is best for me.

    I call that a lose-lose proposition.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  148. I guess Ziploc changed servers. It is commenting under a different number hence the failure of moderation. Sigh.

    Gazzer (bd560d)

  149. This “better” insurance has higher deductibles and covers things that most will never need. The real reason that Obamacare needs us to enter the exchanges is so that we’ll leave any low-risk pools we currently qualify for and enter the high-risk pools so that we can offset the cost of les uninsurables.

    Talk of “better insurance” is just a thin, unnourishing carrot that doesn’t even serve to distract us from the beating we’re getting with the stick.

    Pious Agnostic (ac89e5)

  150. I guess Ziploc changed servers. It is commenting under a different number hence the failure of moderation. Sigh.

    Uh no. I have the same hash assigned since my message at 4:00, well before the supposed moderation. My first message this morning was different because it was from a different network.

    Tlaloc (303f72)

  151. To reduce the incidence of medialc related bankruptcy.

    Repeating Elizabeth Warren’s fraudulent crap is exactly what I expect from lying scum like Tlaloc.

    SPQR (768505)

  152. I can tell that they didn’t have time to adequately focus-group test and perfect most of the recent talking points. The desperation is palpable.

    elissa (62ae90)

  153. elissa, in substance, its probably the biggest Presidential screwup in many decades.

    Millions of people are losing insurance, and 1/1000th of that are able to actually enroll in insurance via the exchanges.

    Total f’up.

    SPQR (768505)

  154. The desperation is palpable.

    Take another look at the polling I linked above.

    Tlaloc (303f72)

  155. Repeating Elizabeth Warren’s fraudulent crap is exactly what I expect from lying scum like Tlaloc.

    Warren is hardly the only person warning about the issues of medical bankruptcy:

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148
    http://www.middleclasspoliticaleconomist.com/2012/02/medical-costs-help-drive-united-states.html

    Tlaloc (303f72)

  156. When people insist on making bad choices sometimes the government has to step in.

    typical fascist. come the revolution, i call dibs on Flailalot.

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  157. Something does not make sense.

    Why would an insurance company factor the cost of maternity coverage when calculating the premiums for men (especially gay men)?

    It would be like an auto insurance company that covers automatic transmission damage to factor the cost of repairing an automatic transmission for the premiums of covering a car with manual transmission.

    Or a homeowners’ insurance company that provides coverage for blizzard damage factoring the cost into the premiums for a house in Miami, Florida or Hilo, Hawaii.

    Michael Ejercito (e545b1)

  158. Warren’s “studies” were simply fraudulent. If a bankruptcy filing had any medical bills, it was counted as “caused” by medical bills. That was outright false as loss of income from a loss of a job would still see some family medical bills or co-pays uncovered which had to be included in the bankruptcy filing.

    Further, where actual health issues caused a bankruptcy, it was usually caused by the debtor being unable to work and the loss of income caused the bankruptcy rather than the medical bills themselves. And Obamacare does nothing to replace lost income from an extended illness.

    In the many hundreds of bankruptcy cases I’ve filed, less than a half dozen were in fact directly caused by medical bills.

    Warren’s lies were nonetheless repeatedly cited by Democrats. Because they are dishonest.

    SPQR (768505)

  159. typical fascist. come the revolution, i call dibs on Flailalot.

    So you don’t believe in laws. Got it.

    Someone was complaining that I conflated conservative with people who want to get rid of government entirely. Gentlemen, I give you exhibit ‘A’.

    Tlaloc (303f72)

  160. redc1c4, we’ll add him to your list.

    SPQR (768505)

  161. In the many hundreds of bankruptcy cases I’ve filed, less than a half dozen were in fact directly caused by medical bills.

    Warren’s lies were nonetheless repeatedly cited by Democrats. Because they are dishonest.

    Or because they think actual data outweighs the anecdotal evidence provided by an anonymous internet poster with a strong partisan desire for a particular outcome.

    I know, weird.

    Tlaloc (303f72)

  162. DRJ – how is it a bad choice for a 27 year old to carry a catastrophic coverage plan? How is it a bad choice for a 42 year old man to not carry maternity coverage? How is it a bad decision for a teetotaler to not carry substance abuse coverage? How is it a bad idea for cloistered nuns to not carry contraceptive coverage?

    The troll is an authoritarian fascist.

    JD (f7c250)

  163. Sebelius overheard on open mic: “don’t do this to me.””

    Poor little Kathleen is such a victim.

    SPQR (768505)

  164. Tlaloc, the actual data was fraudulent.

    But fraud is “fact” to a Democrat.

    “If you like your plan, you can keep it.”
    “… cut the annual cost by $2,500 …”

    All “fact” to a Democrat.

    Boy, are we going to have fun in 2014.

    SPQR (768505)

  165. SPQR – in its bubble, it never looked at how they are ed at heir figures. It just spits out memes, after swallowing them whole.

    JD (f7c250)

  166. We are doing a third recall of a Democrat in Colorado. The petition drive is looking real good.

    SPQR (768505)

  167. JD, an amazing amount of Warren’s “scholarship” turned out to be fraudulent when examined. She ran out of academia just in time. I know of at least one group that was working up an academic fraud case on her as good as Michael Bellesiles.

    SPQR (768505)

  168. i think the government is supposed to be my servant.

    Flailalot wants it to be my master, with people like s/he/it making all the decisions…

    i’ll see you in hell first.

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  169. “Or because they think actual data outweighs the anecdotal evidence provided by an anonymous internet poster with a strong partisan desire for a particular outcome.

    I know, weird.

    Comment by Tlaloc (303f72) ”

    Hey, don’t beat up on yourself that way ! We love you !

    MikeK (dc6ffe)

  170. just about everything regarding that witch is a lie

    http://elizabethwarrenwiki.org/

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  171. Mike, you love everybody. Yecch.

    😉

    SPQR (768505)

  172. “Take another look at the polling I linked above.”

    Tlaloc – 60% of Americans call the 404Care rollout a joke.

    70% want the individual mandate delayed.

    What polling are you focused on?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  173. MikeK wins teh 1ntarwebz for he afternoon… 😎

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  174. What polling are you focused on?

    whatever s/he/it can twist to support their idiotic fascist fantasies.

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  175. I was really quite upset by the idea that Virginia was going to elect one of the most corrupt Democrat bagmen as Governor, but Cuccinelli has greatly closed that lead in recent days. Its almost margin of error now.

    SPQR (768505)

  176. I apologize if someone else has posted this link to my friend Charlie Martin’s piece on PJMedia:

    http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-arithmetic-absurdity-of-obamacare/

    SPQR (768505)

  177. ==Boy, are we going to have fun in 2014.==

    Are you suggesting that “Jackboots R Us” will not be a winning bumper sticker slogan for the Dems?

    elissa (62ae90)

  178. “Warren is hardly the only person warning about the issues of medical bankruptcy:”

    Tlaloc – What a surprise that both of your links use Warren’s dishonest work as a base. Try looking at your links first before spamming them here next time.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  179. daleyrocks, Tlaloc’s incompetence at sweeping up crap links should be pretty established now.

    SPQR (768505)

  180. “When people insist on making bad choices sometimes the government has to step in.”

    Tlaloc – Which article of the Constitution protects people against bad choices?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  181. The security risks of using healthcare.gov are so great, that it is literally criminal that Sebelius hasn’t pulled the whole site down. Its security is so bad that it violates Obama’s own cyber security executive orders.

    Unbelievable incompetence. Its Clowns All the Way Down.

    SPQR (768505)

  182. “daleyrocks, Tlaloc’s incompetence at sweeping up crap links should be pretty established now.”

    SPQR – Positively Gleenwaldian!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  183. Tlaloc, the actual data was fraudulent.

    Evidence please.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  184. Tlaloc – 60% of Americans call the 404Care rollout a joke.

    70% want the individual mandate delayed.

    What polling are you focused on?

    I’m focused on looking at the polling averages rather than cherry picking individual outliers (as you just did). The polling averages show that the program has gotten more favorable since it rolled out. From sept 17 to today it has gained 7 points. That simply doesn’t square with the right’s claims that the roll out has been a disaster.

    Either the right or the polling is wrong. Frankly between the two the polling has a much better track record.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  185. Sebelius outright lied to Congress when she claimed not to have enrollment data.

    Perjury seems to be the only thing Obama administration can do.

    SPQR (768505)

  186. Tlaloc:

    To reduce the incidence of medialc related bankruptcy.

    Most of our disagreement is ideological, because I want to empower people to make their own decisions and you want to empower government control over people. But this part of your comment is supremely ironic. The Harvard study that bankruptcies are caused by medical costs is flawed but if it were true, the increase in ObamaCare premiums will bankrupt far more people than private health care ever has. But you can claim it’s well-intentioned, so you have that going for you.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  187. I was really quite upset by the idea that Virginia was going to elect one of the most corrupt Democrat bagmen as Governor, but Cuccinelli has greatly closed that lead in recent days. Its almost margin of error now.

    At the moment the Quinnipac poll looks like an outlier. It has McA +4. The rolling average at RCP has McA at +9. Rassmussen just came out with McA at +17.

    This is why looking at the average is better than using individual polls. Too much risk of getting confused by outliers otherwise.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  188. The troll’s kind of all over the map tonite, int he?

    elissa (62ae90)

  189. Shouldn’t somebody be spending quality time with his children instead of educating us know-nothings on the intertubes?

    Pious Agnostic (ac89e5)

  190. Most of our disagreement is ideological, because I want to empower people to make their own decisions and you want to empower government control over people. But this part of your comment is supremely ironic. The Harvard study that bankruptcies are caused by medical costs is flawed but if it were true, the increase in ObamaCare premiums will bankrupt far more people than private health care ever has. But you can claim it’s well-intentioned, so you have that going for you.

    A) whether or not you want to quibble about the frequency surely you agree that medical costs can cause bankruptcy, right?

    B) your argument about the slight rise in premiums that some individuals may see is ridiculous to compare to the massive expense of medical costs. It;s like comparing your bank account to the national debt. They are on such different scales as to make any comparison ludicrous.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  191. DRJ, the “medical bankruptcy” studies were intentionally cooked to support the Democrats’ fraudulent claims about health care reform. It wasn’t incompetence, it was intentional fraud.

    Anyone who bothered to actually examine the Chap 7/13 filings themselves would have seen clearly the evidence of how few bankruptcies were directly caused by medical bills.

    The studies were literally laughed at by the consumer bankruptcy bar.

    SPQR (768505)

  192. Tlaloc, your comments are simply lies. Italics only highlights how dishonest you are.

    SPQR (768505)

  193. Tlaloc,

    Today in Boston, Obama agreed with you that people are only losing their policies because the policies are substandard, so now they can replace them with much better ones. I guess he agrees with you that many American are too stupid to know what’s best for them, but I don’t. For instance, I know someone who picked his policy for the pharmacy coverage because that’s his biggest medical expense. Now that policy is going away and the replacement coverage gives him maternity benefits but the RX benefits are worse. How does that help him?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  194. From Furchgott-Roth’s piece linked by DRJ:

    A study by the Department of Justice examined more than 5,000 bankruptcy cases between 2000 and 2002. It found that 54% of bankruptcies involve no medical debt, and more than 90% have medical debt of less than $5,000.

    $5,000 is less than the yearly deductible of Obamacare compliant insurance plans.

    That statistic alone proves DRJ’s point.

    But Tlaloc claims that there are only slight increases.

    SPQR (768505)

  195. And why do you assume other people aren’t making similar decisions, because they know best what they need?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  196. He’s already said the government makes the better decisions: That’s the whole point.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  197. Tlaloc,

    Medical costs can cause bankruptcy but it’s not common. However, the reports about what ObamaCare will cost middle class Americans indicate it will be a budget buster for many of them.

    You can choose to ignore or discount these reports, just as liberals ignored warnings that people would lose their coverage and that the ObamaCare website was not ready. We were right about that and you were wrong, so I’d think you would reconsider your certainty that premiums will only rise slightly. But I’m willing to wait and see.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  198. Ag80, the government makes great decisions.

    That’s why such a wonderful, secure, and speedy website was created for Obamacare.

    Clowns all the way down.

    SPQR (768505)

  199. I could not believe that Obama chose CGI Federal for the work given their long history of catastrophic failure – especially in Canada.

    Until I found out that a Vice President of CGI Federal is a classmate of Michelle Obama.

    SPQR (768505)

  200. I guess he agrees with you that many American are too stupid to know what’s best for them, but I don’t. For instance, I know someone who picked his policy for the pharmacy coverage because that’s his biggest medical expense. Now that policy is going away and the replacement coverage gives him maternity benefits but the RX benefits are worse. How does that help him?

    Why didn’t he choose a different plan? Ultimately either way it helps him to have more people covered for things that he himself may not use including maternity because the costs (monetary and otherwise) are lower. Giving a hundred women prenatal check ups is more cost effective than having even one of them have a significantly premie baby.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  201. See.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  202. I pray to God that Tlaloc was lying when he claimed he has reproduced.

    elissa (62ae90)

  203. Medical costs can cause bankruptcy but it’s not common.

    You trust AEI (highly partisan group wth a long history of shady practices and outright lies) over the American Jounal of Medicine (a peer reviewed scientific journal)? Okay.

    You can choose to ignore or discount these reports, just as liberals ignored warnings that people would lose their coverage and that the ObamaCare website was not ready. We were right about that and you were wrong, so I’d think you would reconsider your certainty that premiums will only rise slightly. But I’m willing to wait and see.

    Except you guys were wrong about losing coverage as I’ve pointed out repeatedly. So fr your only counterargument as a group has been to attack me personally because you know you can’t win the actual argument on the points.

    So, yeah, I do think this will turn out just like the coverage issue, with you guys making up facts that aren’t real and pretending you won the argument even as the rest of society looks on shaking their heads.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  204. I gotta run. Have fun, I’m sure we’ll end up just rehashing all this again tomorrow.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  205. OK. Can’t wait. TTFN.

    Let’s not rehash this all tomorrow. Please.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  206. 192. …your argument about the slight rise in premiums that some individuals may see is ridiculous to compare to the massive expense of medical costs. It;s like comparing your bank account to the national debt. They are on such different scales as to make any comparison ludicrous.

    Comment by Tlaloc (d061fc) — 10/30/2013 @ 5:48 pm

    So it was kinda sorta ridiculous for your messiah to take what his economic advisers told him Obamacare would save in total spending on health care (leaving for another day the stupidity of that figure), divide it by the population of the US, multiply by four, and tell everyone a typical family was going to save $2500 a year in premiums. Because the nation’s total spending on health care and a family’s insurance premiums are on such a different scale as to make any comparison ludicrous.

    In an Obama administration, we’ll lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year. And we’ll do it by investing in disease prevention, not just disease management; by investing in a paperless health care system to reduce administrative costs; and by covering every single American and making sure that they can take their health care with them if they lose their job. … And we won’t do all this twenty years from now, or ten years from now. We’ll do it by the end of my first term as president of the United States

    (Barack Obama, 5 June 2008, Bristol VA.)

    Then it was triply stupid of people like you to attack the $7450 increase when the point wasn’t to put forth a serious number but highlight the stupidity of President Tiger Beat’s math.

    Doncha think?

    Steve57 (338553)

  207. Tlaloc:

    Why didn’t he choose a different plan?

    Because he lives in one of those 58% of American counties that only has 2 health insurance companies offering plans, and there isn’t a platinum plan like the one he had that is even offered.

    Except you guys were wrong about losing coverage as I’ve pointed out repeatedly.

    Your opinion is the coverage problem is the fault of the insurance companies. That isn’t a fact, no matter how much you repeat it. I have a different opinion. In this discussion, our biggest problem is that you can’t seem to distinguish fact from opinion.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  208. Tlaloc:

    You trust AEI (highly partisan group wth a long history of shady practices and outright lies) over the American Jounal of Medicine (a peer reviewed scientific journal)? Okay.

    Here’s a tie-breaker:

    We should also note that the study appeared in a peer-reviewed journal, but two of the authors belong to the group Physicians for a National Health Program, a group that advocates for a universal, single-payer health program.

    Finally, we feel another study is worth mentioning that complicates the definition of medical bankruptcies. Ning Zhu of the University of California, Davis, has a 2008 draft study analyzing bankruptcies filed in Delaware in 2003. He found that overspending on household expenditures such as houses and automobiles contributed significantly to bankruptcy filings. His data show that the overspending made people more likely to file for bankruptcy after an illness.

    That may sound like a “no duh” conclusion, but it raises questions about medical bankruptcies and how they are defined. If people overspend so much that they need everything to go right to meet their financial obligations, and then they get sick, should those bankruptcies properly be categorized as medical bankruptcies? We’re not suggesting there’s an easy answer here, but it does make the category of “medical bankruptcy” a good bit more complicated.

    Life’s decisions aren’t as easy as you seem to think they are. If they were, government rule would give us utopia and we’d all be happy Communists.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  209. http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/23/its-official-obamacare-will-increase-health-spending-by-7450-for-a-typical-family-of-four/

    UPDATE 5: Regrettably, in its eagerness to defend Obamacare, Andrew Lazarus at DailyKos has made a flagrant misstatement of fact: ”The $7450 figure is calculated as a mean, what we colloquially call an average. By “typical”, Obama is evoking the median family.” Unfortunately, Kevin Sacks at NYT (known to many as a newspaper of record) has put on the record exactly how candidate Obama and his advisors came up with their figure of $2500 in premium savings for the “typical family:”

    The original arithmetic was somewhat basic. In May 2007, three Harvard professors who are unpaid advisers to the Obama campaign — Mr. Cutler, David Blumenthal and Jeffrey Liebman — produced a memorandum offering their “best guess” that a menu of changes would produce savings of at least $200 billion a year (it has since been revised to $214 billion). That would amount to about 8 percent of the $2.5 trillion in health care spending projected for 2009, when the next president takes office…..The total savings were then divided by the country’s population, multiplied for a family of four, and rounded down slightly to a number that was easy to grasp: $2,500.”

    If that calculation sounds familiar, it’s because it’s precisely the one I did in my post–the only difference being that unlike President Obama, I manifestly did NOT characterize the result as the expected change in premiums. It’s the total change in health spending, which will end up being borne in a variety of forms, higher premiums, higher out-of-pocket costs, higher taxes etc. If Obamacare were financed honestly and transparently, we actually could say how much of an increase would be faced by any given family. Because it’s quite the opposite, we have to resort to talking about “average” effects recognizing that some will pay more, some will pay less than this average. Perhaps Mr. Lazarus will do his homework a little better in the future.

    Steve57 (338553)

  210. By the way, my last link was from PolitiFact.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  211. 206. I gotta run. Have fun, I’m sure we’ll end up just rehashing all this again tomorrow.

    Comment by Tlaloc (d061fc) — 10/30/2013 @ 6:06 pm

    Sure. You’ll lie. We’ll point it out. Same as every other day.

    Steve57 (338553)

  212. Tlaloc:

    Except you guys were wrong about losing coverage as I’ve pointed out repeatedly.

    I don’t think my earlier comments were clear, so let me try again. What we were right about is that people would lose coverage after ObamaCare was passed, and they have. It doesn’t matter whether I’m right that they lost their coverage because of ObamaCare or whether you’re right that they lost their coverage because of the insurance companies reacting to ObamaCare. The point is that’s what happened, and even the Obama Administration knew it was going to happen for three years.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  213. Nobody has yet to explain why an insurance company would factor the cost of maternity coverage when calculating the premiums for men (especially gay men).

    Michael Ejercito (b371e1)

  214. Michael, it’s because Kathleen Sebelius now gets to force them to do so.

    Is this hard to understand?

    Steve57 (338553)

  215. Frank Pallone D is now on TV lying. He says you can’t sell this lousy policy. This is Capitalism !

    Does he not know what capitalism is ? Of course not.

    MikeK (dc6ffe)

  216. 216. …Does he not know what capitalism is ? Of course not.

    Comment by MikeK (dc6ffe) — 10/30/2013 @ 6:38 pm

    He knows what Marx, Lenin, and Obama told him was capitalism.

    Let’s turn now to the polls. Flailoc likes polls. And I’m a giving kind of person.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/obama-approval-rating-poll-99135.html?hp=l2

    Poll: Obama approval at all-time low

    http://hotair.com/archives/2013/10/30/wsjnbc-for-the-first-time-views-of-obama-more-unfavorable-than-favorable/

    The fact that there’s 52 percent who think the law needs a major overhaul or should be eliminated entirely doesn’t surprise me, although it’s splashy enough that NBC has devoted a separate post to it. That’s in line with O-Care’s traditional levels of 45/55 approval. What’s interesting is the first table, showing opposition to the law starting to tick upward again after falling during the shutdown. That contradicts the Gallup poll I posted earlier suggesting that support for the law is steady due to partisan divisions. Maybe not. Maybe the Healthcare.gov apocalypse and percolating media coverage of rate shock are starting to bite. And do note: This poll was only conducted through October 28th. If it’s true that the public’s souring on ObamaCare, they’re surely even sour today than they were on Monday.

    Steve57 (338553)

  217. Look, if ya’ll want to argue with Tlaloc tomorrow, that’s fine with me. Just keep in mind that he uses a whole lot of fallacies to reinforce his arguments.

    Regardless, we all fall victim to “Bias blind spot.” He would never admit it, but I do.

    Everything he posts is designed to make conservatives question their beliefs. That actually is a good thing.

    He could do that in other places, but he knows he won’t be banned here. That’s why he comes back.

    It provides him with some sort of narcissistic validation and reinforces his bias.

    Argue with him if you want, but it’s about time to stop.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  218. He’s like the Weatherman in Groundhog day

    narciso (3fec35)

  219. 219. …Argue with him if you want, but it’s about time to stop.

    Comment by Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 10/30/2013 @ 6:46 pm

    I just plan on pointing and laughing.

    Steve57 (338553)

  220. Comment by SPQR (768505) — 10/30/2013 @ 6:00 pm

    Not only that, but the same group has a major role in (supposedly) distributing billions in aid to Hurricane Sandy victims, many thousands of whom have yet to see any help.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  221. the program has gotten more favorable since it rolled out. From sept 17 to today it has gained 7 points. That simply doesn’t square with the right’s claims that the roll out has been a disaster.

    They are not mutually exclusive. It can poll well, and be a disaster. Dem support can harden around their Savior’s crowning jewel.

    JD (f7c250)

  222. Frankly, I thin its high time we just give Tlaloc the silent treatment.

    Not a word he has offered is trustworthy, about himself or anything else.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  223. Michael, it’s because Kathleen Sebelius now gets to force them to do so.

    Is this hard to understand?

    The odds of a man needing maternity care is zero.

    requiring insurance companies to multiply by zero would still yield zero.

    Michael Ejercito (b371e1)

  224. 205. …Except you guys were wrong about losing coverage as I’ve pointed out repeatedly.

    Comment by Tlaloc (d061fc) — 10/30/2013 @ 6:05 pm

    Don’t tell us bitter clingers in flyover country. Tell your Messiah he’s wrong about people losing coverage.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/10/30/obama-blames-bad-apple-insurers-for-canceled-insurance-plans/

    I would excerpt the article but there’s just too much fail in there to pick from. Sorta like one of Flailoc’s comments.

    Steve57 (338553)

  225. Except this. This stands out.

    Fact-checkers and journalists have ruled that Obama wasn’t being truthful when he claimed that people who liked their insurance could keep it.

    Got that? Democratic party propagandists are objective fact checkers, not journalists, depending on which hat they’re wearing at the moment.

    Steve57 (338553)

  226. Colonel, does Juan Williams really believe half of the stuff he says on Fox News ?

    Comment by Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

    When Juan Williams’ eyes get big and he starts to rapidly blink them, you know the guy is lying or someone has him on the run.

    Colonel Haiku (e2095a)

  227. I gotta run. Have fun, I’m sure we’ll end up just rehashing all this again tomorrow.

    I doubt that.

    JD (f7c250)

  228. Once upon a time, primarily for my own satisfaction, I took the effort to give a detailed account of a typical episode of one person’s deceit. The main purpose was so I could subsequently refer to that post as verification why there was nothing to be gained in paying attention to comments by the person involved.

    I have not had the combination of time and brain cells to bother reading much of t’s stuff,
    but if someone wanted to give a post on 3 egregious examples of why t is not to be taken seriously, I think we could often just respond to his comments with the link;
    of course, at times reading folks giving a rebuttal can be edifying, but still.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  229. Obama doubles down on teh triple cross!

    Colonel Haiku (e2095a)

  230. People do all manner of stupid things including buying bad deals and passing on good deals.

    And governments don’t? Share the misery equally. I heard that somewhere before…hmmm.

    Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157 (f7d5ba)

  231. Nobody has yet to explain why an insurance company would factor the cost of maternity coverage when calculating the premiums for men (especially gay men).
    Comment by Michael Ejercito (b371e1) — 10/30/2013 @ 6:33 pm

    I am not sure if you are asking the mechanics of how and why it is done, or the existential logical question of “what in the world”?

    Having raised the issue here myself and receiving some feedback, I think what happens is that instead of spreading expected costs of maternity care over all those who might need it (ie, females of reproductive age), the cost is spread equally over everyone.
    The rationale (though not really rational) is that this makes things “fair”, as in women are not “penalized” by paying more for their insurance than a man.
    At least that is how I understand it.
    Of course, in one way what is being done is simply to eliminate actuarial data from being looked at for health insurance. If one did that for every condition, then there would be no risk groupings of any kind; I pay for maternity coverage, women should pay for prostate cancer coverage.

    On problem is that some people have the delusion they can make everything “fair” if only given the power. They never watched Harry Potter, or they would have learned from Prof. Snape that, “Life is not fair”.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  232. Well, that 60+ year old Geezer might have a hot 30′s something mistress, who can’t count.

    Comment by askeptic (b8ab92) — 10/30/2013 @ 3:40 pm

    His insurance, cover her it would not! Have to have a plan with maternity care for her, he would! A man needing maternity care for himself? Men getting pregnant and having babies? Since when did this begin?

    Yoda (ee1de0)

  233. In other news, the U.S. deficit fell. One wonders how that happened?

    Yet, the debt marches on.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  234. I have given up with arguing with Tlaloc since he comes from a vastly different perspective than I do. As DRJ points out, Tlaloc is one of those misanthropic liberals who thinks his fellow citizens are dolts and rubes, so he and his friends should be empowered to make decisions on our behalves, as if we had given them power of attorney for all of us. I’m not going to find any common ground with him as long as this is the foundation of his philosophy, so it is a waste of time to debate him. Add to that his constant use of red herrings, his switching back-and-forth from what constitutes good policy to what polls as good politics depending on the point he is trying to make, his abuse of what he insists are “facts,” and his overall snotty and arrogant attitude and I just don’t think it is worthwhile to engage him.

    JVW (709bc7)

  235. Sebelius testified today about ObamaCare’s disastrous roll-out and what is President Obama doing? Tweeting a welcome back to Derrick Rose.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  236. Comment by JVW (709bc7) — 10/30/2013 @ 7:42 pm

    I agree with you, but sometimes I like to have a documented reason as to why I don’t bother with someone anymore. Not necessarily a good thing that I like it that way.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  237. B) your argument about the slight rise in premiums that some individuals may see is ridiculous to compare to the massive expense of medical costs.

    Comment by Tlaloc (d061fc) — 10/30/2013 @ 5:48 pm

    Well fuckhead, I don’t consider mine that went up already 140% this year, and is expected to go again next year by about the same amount, a “SLIGHT” rise! GFY and FOAD you pissy little moronic idiot!

    Yoda (ee1de0)

  238. 231. …I have not had the combination of time and brain cells to bother reading much of t’s stuff, but if someone wanted to give a post on 3 egregious examples of why t is not to be taken seriously, I think we could often just respond to his comments with the link;
    of course, at times reading folks giving a rebuttal can be edifying, but still.

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 10/30/2013 @ 7:03 pm

    I’ve given one example. I linked to a post where he said he had a potentially crippling condition, and said he could not provide for his own health care.

    He says he meant he couldn’t do the job of the doctors and nurses. He insists he didn’t mean he couldn’t pay for it. (Although his other comments were about rich greedy people buying more health care than 100 peasants could afford.)

    But that is ridiculous. If he has portrayed himself accurately, no person no matter how dull would have thought someone who’s an ex IT professional and now a student could provide for his own health care in the sense of doing the job of doctors and nurses.

    You’re a doctor, MD in Philly. I don’t think you can provide your own health care in that sense. Can you function as your own anesthesiologist and surgeon at the same time? Can you do your own ophthalmology and gynecology? (Now that the gub’mint has decided in its infinite wisdom you might just get knocked up.)

    The sheer idiocy of that alone I think is sufficient to decide that Flailoc can not be taken seriously in anything.

    Steve57 (338553)

  239. Pons – The one Congresscritter tried to get Sebelius to address the potential gaps in coverage due to the cancellations due to ObamaCare, and the utterly incompetent government roll out of this awful plan. She studiously avoided addressing the issue, and if they are doing anything to backstop this eventuality.

    @37 Comment by JD (5c1832) — 10/30/2013 @ 11:26 am

    She does not know or care what happens to them and therefore has no plan. Can’t be bothered, besides she can always blame someone else and that is the important thing (I call it “the Obama Principle”).

    These poor people cannot even get acknowledged by her, they are going to get screwed.

    Pons Asinorum (8ce71a)

  240. reading the comments, DRJ, apparently we are racist haters for thinking that maybe the president had something better to do than tweet Rose.

    I noted the article didn’t say whether or not Rose replied.
    I am assuming one can reply to a tweet, never have done anything with tweets other than look at twitchy sometimes.
    Otherwise, I say leave tweeting and twittering to the birds…
    Yes, that was terribly corny, not one of my better ones.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  241. I think there are other commenters that waste our time more than Tlaloc, but I completely understand if others don’t agree with me.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  242. I have seen numbers between 14 and 25 million for those on individual plans. There may be some discrepancy on whether they are counting plans or people. The number of these that are affected also varies, but the 2 million number seems low since no one is grandfathered who started their current plan in the last 3 1/2 years, and it is a rare plan that does not undergo some disqualifying change from time to time.

    @ 43 Comment by Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 10/30/2013 @ 11:33 am

    Two million is low, this number came straight from the Obama propaganda machine. Their actual numbers, which they do not publicly acknowledge (from NBCnews.com, 10/29/13):

    Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC News that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law.

    So from 7 to 10.5 million will lose their current coverage.

    Of course this is only for the individual mandate. Wait until the employer mandate kicks-in — 10.5 million will be the good ole days by comparison.

    Pons Asinorum (8ce71a)

  243. Pons – just wait until family coverages are dropped, more people become part-time, etc

    JD (f7c250)

  244. Can you function as your own anesthesiologist and surgeon at the same time?
    I can bite a bullet while taking out a splinter, if that counts.

    Can you do your own ophthalmology and gynecology?
    Uh, not at the same time.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  245. Sometimes I talk to Tlaloc because I want to make sure a specific point of view is aired, and other times I do it because I’m just in the mood to debate. I bet I’m not the only one.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  246. Good ones, MD.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  247. I know that some people enjoy debating and it is not my website and maybe I should just be quiet, but I am annoyed at how he dominates a thread when he shows up. Maybe with time I will just learn to ignore him, as I do with one or two now…

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  248. 245. …So from 7 to 10.5 million will lose their current coverage.

    Of course this is only for the individual mandate. Wait until the employer mandate kicks-in — 10.5 million will be the good ole days by comparison.

    Comment by Pons Asinorum (8ce71a) — 10/30/2013 @ 7:56 pm

    Actually more like 16 million in the individual market will lose their coverage.

    As far as those getting employer provided health insurance, Obama’s plan is to fool as many people as possible until after the 2014 elections. It’s like with Medicare Advantage. Sebelius is doing her master’s bidding, using a slush fund illegally to hide the effect of the cuts to that program. The slush fund runs out at the end of 2014. Just after you know what.

    It’s the big lie strategy. Lie as much as you can for as long as you can to as many people as you can.

    In Anchorage there is (or was; dunno been a while) called Chilkoot Charlie’s They had a great motto. “We cheat the other guy and pass the savings onto you.” Great motto for a bar. Not so much for a government.

    “She said, ‘I was all for Obamacare until I found out I was paying for it,’” Kehaly said.

    She was all for screwing the other guy, until she found out she was the other guy.

    Steve57 (338553)

  249. DRJ:

    You are right on two counts. One posts for a rise, the other posts for reasons that I can not fathom.

    I do agree with the good doctor, though.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  250. Pons – just wait until family coverages are dropped, more people become part-time, etc

    It is scary JD. It is just not a tolerable situation. It will explode one way or the other.

    Scariest Halloween costume.

    Pons Asinorum (8ce71a)

  251. MD:

    … I am annoyed at how he dominates a thread when he shows up

    I have been struggling with that because of another commenter, so I know how frustrating it is.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  252. Actually more like 16 million in the individual market will lose their coverage.

    What’s a few million people between friends Steve?

    Pons Asinorum (8ce71a)

  253. Sometimes I talk to Tlaloc because I want to make sure a specific point of view is aired, and other times I do it because I’m just in the mood to debate. I bet I’m not the only one.

    I don’t fault anyone here for engaging with him; it’s a sign that you are far more patient and amiable than I am. For me, though, it is a complete waste of time.

    JVW (709bc7)

  254. So maybe some of the computer people did know what they were doing, but were sabotaged by other factors.

    Open to hear either point amplified, bona-fide, clarified, or disputified.

    @65 Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 10/30/2013 @ 12:35 pm

    The IT people had to know that the deployed design was flawed (to be kind). Given that premise and given that they were not largely incompetent, then something beyond network architecture and software coding occurred.

    More than half-a-billion dollar budget and three-years lead time should have produced an adequate production system even if the designers were high school students working on a school project. The applications/database/network interactions just are not that difficult — and since scale = money, this should have been a relatively easy thing to do.

    So, long story short, yeah, I smell Obama incompetence here — be it some bizarre set of last minute requirements that would fundamentally run contrary to the overall software structure, or more covert linking to unrelated databases for the purpose of something beyond health care, or something else equally stupid, who knows.

    But remember, it is not about effective operations, or well-manged projects, or even adequate working systems. Rather it is about how well the Obama Principle* was executed.

    *Obama Principle: substitute blame for responsiblity, especially if you are responsible (If R, then R = B)

    Pons Asinorum (8ce71a)

  255. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

    @127 Comment by Tlaloc (303f72) — 10/30/2013 @ 4:10 pm

    Wow, Obamcare is unpopular and more people disapprove of the president than approve.

    Great points Tlaloc.

    Pons Asinorum (8ce71a)

  256. 247. Can you function as your own anesthesiologist and surgeon at the same time?
    I can bite a bullet while taking out a splinter, if that counts.

    In Master and Commander; The Far Side of The World the ship’s surgeon surgically removes a musket ball from his own stomach. Can’t all you guys do that?

    Good flick by the way.

    Can you do your own ophthalmology and gynecology?
    Uh, not at the same time.

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 10/30/2013 @ 7:59 pm

    Flailoc thinks he can. Or, rather, he wants to clarify that’s what he meant by providing his own health care. Which he can’t. But he’s under the impression we thought he could. So he wanted to clear that up.

    Or, whatever. It’s nonsense, so I shouldn’t even try to explain it. I’m just not good with nonsense

    So I’ll leave it for Sammy.

    I know that some people enjoy debating and it is not my website and maybe I should just be quiet, but I am annoyed at how he dominates a thread when he shows up. Maybe with time I will just learn to ignore him, as I do with one or two now…

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 10/30/2013 @ 8:03 pm

    I shouldn’t let him get to me. I resort to profanity. I just find it amusing he thinks he makes me angry. I don’t resort to profanity when I’m angry. When I was in the Navy we’d get all these O-6s and Admirals salting their language when speaking “to the deckplates” or whatever and then they’d always pause and say, “excuse my language, I’m a sailor.”

    http://gif-central.blogspot.com/2012/01/worf-facepalm.html

    (There is no honor in what you just did)

    Yeah, bud. Keeping it real, you are. (a little Yodaism for you.)

    So I overcorrected and never used profanity when I was serious. But off duty, if I was laughing about something, I couldn’t help but let it slip in. So that’s a clue. When I start doing like this *&#@& s@#* I am most definitely not angry.

    Actually after being in the Navy any day I wake up in a room of my own and don’t have to share a bathroom with 40 other guys I’m not likely to be angry.

    Steve57 (338553)

  257. 255. Actually more like 16 million in the individual market will lose their coverage.

    What’s a few million people between friends Steve?

    Comment by Pons Asinorum (8ce71a) — 10/30/2013 @ 8:12 pm

    What the hell. Whiskey all around and fresh horses for my men.

    The horses are so we can get to the fiscal cliff faster.

    The whiskey if because we’ll be riding off it.

    Steve57 (338553)

  258. *ifs*

    Steve57 (338553)

  259. is

    Steve57 (338553)

  260. JVW:

    I don’t fault anyone here for engaging with him; it’s a sign that you are far more patient and amiable than I am. For me, though, it is a complete waste of time.

    That’s very kind of you but I don’t deserve it. Another commenter has helped me realize just how impatient I actually am.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  261. So what did we learn from today’s testimony, boys and girls?

    All business failures are do to the free market. Which must be managed by gub’mint.

    All gub’mint failures are due to businesses. And Republicans.

    All business successes are due to gub’mint. “You didn’t build that.”

    Gub’mint is always right. You know when Obama said you could keep your plan if you liked it? He meant as long as he liked it. If he decided it was substandard, you can’t keep it.

    But you’ll like this one much better. And it’s affordable for him, so pay up, suckers.

    Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. It has a certain ring to it. Like People’s Democratic Republic of North Korea.

    Steve57 (338553)

  262. Congrats, BoSox. You kicked our ass.

    JD (e2ac4b)

  263. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N6dc41VQwQ&feature=youtu.be

    Sebelius: ‘The Website Has Never Crashed’

    Hilarious. As she’s testifying CNN shows she’s lying. I guess the bloom is off the rose.

    Steve57 (338553)

  264. 263. …Another commenter has helped me realize just how impatient I actually am.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 10/30/2013 @ 8:32 pm

    Would that be me?

    Steve57 (338553)

  265. What the hell. Whiskey all around and fresh horses for my men.

    The horses are so we can get to the fiscal cliff faster.

    The whiskey is because we’ll be riding off it.

    Comment by Steve57 (338553) — 10/30/2013 @ 8:27 pm

    Reminds me…

    And hell yeah, I’ll drink with ya Steve. To Cruz’s Stand, to 2016, to sunny skies after a storm; worst case, riding off a cliff.

    Pons Asinorum (8ce71a)

  266. La Clot is a superior exemplar of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

    htom (412a17)

  267. No, Steve57, I was decisive with you, not impatient.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  268. Heck, just because.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  269. Obamacare explained.

    No more Bud Ice for you, Joe Sixpack.

    You’re drinking nothing but Dom Perignon. So pay for a case. And maybe I’ll let you have a glass. The rest is mine.

    Sincerely, Barack Obama.

    Steve57 (338553)

  270. DRJ, if you’ve been impatient with anyone I’ve not seen it.

    Steve57 (338553)

  271. ^
    |

    Yeah, I was a bit mystified by that too, but was to shy to say 😉

    Pons Asinorum (8ce71a)

  272. JD

    How is your brother doing? And the family?

    EPWJ (bdd0a6)

  273. Not well, and as good as can be expected, given the circumstances. Thanks for asking.

    JD (5c1832)

  274. http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2538190/

    That is your “tech surge” some White House fellows who probably could not figure out how to successfully backup their laptops.

    SPQR (768505)

  275. Obama is such an utter incompetent.

    SPQR (768505)

  276. Will keep praying

    mg (31009b)

  277. JD, I found it difficult to comment on that thread about prayers for your brother. Because of how I was raised.

    Luke 18:9-14
    To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

    “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

    “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

    It’s just not something I’m comfortable expressing. And also I don’t believe I can tell God about some situation He doesn’t already know, and of course He knows what outcome people would like to see before they do.

    But I haven’t forgotten.

    Steve57 (338553)

  278. Tlaloc has never made a substantive comment here that has not been shown to be a brazen misrepresentation. Including his misrepresentation of DRJ’s response to his citation of a Reason piece about state run exchanges where he was called on his misrepresentation of his own link.

    Tlaloc is a proven liar.

    And Tlaloc’s celebration of the deaths of Amb Stevens, Sean Smith, Doherty, and Tyrone Woods – explicitly stated by Tlaloc to deserve death for their work carrying out Obama’s policies – means that Tlaloc should always be treated as the pile of dog excrement that he is.

    SPQR (768505)

  279. 268. …And hell yeah, I’ll drink with ya Steve. To Cruz’s Stand, to 2016, to sunny skies after a storm; worst case, riding off a cliff.

    Comment by Pons Asinorum (8ce71a) — 10/30/2013 @ 8:40 pm

    The Navy is the only service that has a drinking song as its fight song.

    Anchors aweigh, my boys, Anchors Aweigh. Farewell to foreign shores, We sail at break of day-ay-ay-ay. Through our last night on shore, Drink to the foam, Until we meet once more. Here’s wishing you a happy voyage home.

    That and not wanting to watch grass grow over a missile silo in North Dakota probably influenced my choice of service some. Army and Marines were out because I have flat feet.

    The Air Force thought real hard and named its flight demonstration team after a mystical native American beast, the Thunderbird.

    The Navy named its after a bar in New York, the Blue Angel.

    Then there’s this.

    On July 27, 1798, the U.S.S. Constitution sailed from Boston with a full complement of 475 officers and men, 48,600 gallons of fresh water, 7,400 cannon shot, 11,600 pounds of black powder and 79,400 gallons of rum.

    Her mission: “To destroy and harass English shipping.”

    Making Jamaica on 6 October, she took on 826 pounds of flour and 68,300 gallons of rum. Then she headed for the Azores, arriving there 12 November. She provisioned with 550 pounds of beef and 64,300 gallons of Portuguese wine. On 18 November, she set sail for England.
    In the ensuing days she defeated five British men-of-war and captured and scuttled 12 English merchantmen, salvaging only the rum aboard each.

    By 26 January, her powder and shot were exhausted. Nevertheless, and though unarmed, she made a night raid up the Firth of Clyde in Scotland. Her landing party captured a whiskey distillery and transferred 40,000 gallons of single malt Scotch aboard by dawn.
    Then she headed home.

    The U.S.S. Constitution arrived in Boston on 20 February 1799, with no cannon shot, no food, no powder, NO rum, NO wine, NO whiskey and 38,600 gallons of stagnant water.”

    The Navy. It’s not so much an armed force as it is an attitude.

    And speaking of Cruz, he was on form today. Sebelius wasn’t the only one testifying.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQAr47xF21k

    Ted Cruz Tells Trayvon’s Mother Why Stand Your Ground Laws Can’t Possibly Be ‘Racist’

    Steve57 (338553)

  280. Steve57, why was the Constitution attacking the British in 1798?

    SPQR (768505)

  281. Hmmmmm?

    SPQR (768505)

  282. I know, it’s an urban myth.

    Still, my unrequited lifelong dream was to lead the landing party that captured a Scottish distillery.

    Arrgh.

    Steve57 (338553)

  283. The thing about the Blue Angels is true, though.

    Steve57 (338553)

  284. Yeah, we were not at war with Britain until 14 years later. In 1800 the Constitution operated againgst the French in the Quasi-War. Not the British.

    SPQR (768505)

  285. Several people have emailed and asked, so I will answer everyone at once. He was in a coma for just shy of a month. He came out of it, and was gradually improving. However, they are having trouble keeping the infection under control, so it has been a roller coaster the last few days. He recognizes some people, pulls some vivid and detailed stories from long term, but has very limited short term memory. He has been weened off the ventilator, and still has traech and feeding tube.

    JD (5c1832)

  286. 284. Steve57, why was the Constitution attacking the British in 1798?

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 10/30/2013 @ 9:44 pm

    Because they were thirsty.

    True story. The destroyer USS Maury pulls into port Fiji during WWII. There’s a rum distillery at the pier. .50 cents a bottle. The XO at the time was Russell Sydnor Crenshaw Jr. who wrote the book on navigation. Literally. He wrote the book they used at Canoe U.

    Anyway he relates he was standing duty when one of his chiefs came to his stateroom/office and said “Sir, you need to come out here.” Turns out almost nobody from the liberty section actually made it all the way from the pier to town. So they had to form a search party to comb the sugar cane fields (hence the rum) and dig out the guys who passed out cuz of the hooch. They piled them on the pier, and loaded them on the boat using stretchers. The ship’s doc checked them out, and if odds were they were going to live they strapped them into their racks.

    Then they put an “off limits” sign on the distillery and posted a guard.

    http://www.amazon.com/South-Pacific-Destroyer-Battle-Solomons/dp/1591141435

    Beers being few and far between back in those days.

    Steve57 (338553)

  287. 288. Yeah, we were not at war with Britain until 14 years later. In 1800 the Constitution operated againgst the French in the Quasi-War. Not the British.

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 10/30/2013 @ 9:51 pm

    I know it’s not true. I’ve known that for years. It’s just a fun story.

    Steve57 (338553)

  288. Thought you might appreciate this Steve (I’m ex- Air Force myself, from here):

    A young man with a wild and multi-coloured hairstyle sits next to an old man on a park bench. The old man stares at the young man.

    “What’s the matter, old man?” says the young man. “Never done anything crazy in your life?”

    The old man replies: “Yeah. When I was in the Navy, I got really drunk one night and had sex with a parrot. I thought you might be my son.”

    …be here all week.

    Pons Asinorum (8ce71a)

  289. Tam K. Had the best retort to the BS defending Obama’s lies:

    Thanks to the president, the Unc clan lost their health care policy that the president said they weren’t going to lose and so they had to scramble for another one. A commenter replied:
    “Obamacare was the catalyst in this case, but you realize that could have happened at any time, for any reason, even without Obamacare, right?”
    “Sure, it was Guido that broke your kneecap, but you realize that your kneecap could have gotten broken at any time, even if Guido hadn’t dropped by, right?”

    SPQR (768505)

  290. I never get tired of that story. When I first heard it was from a guy who said it was his dad. And it wasn’t a guy with the hairdo but a chick. And it was a shopping mall food court.

    Steve57 (338553)

  291. So I’m back in my office talking on the phone to a buddy in DC (I phrased it “recognized command expert in world wide communications” when I provided the input for my FITREP) when my Captain strolls in and casually says, “Steve, do you know how to write an OPREP-3?”

    I say, “Yes, but not from memory. They have the instruction in Ops.”

    So he calls Ops. And he’s drolly telling this story. Turns out some guy from the 7th Fleet flagship went into a bar in Tokyo and saw some guy with what he thought was his girl. So he and a couple of friends beat the dog mess out of him and toss him down the stairs out into the street.

    Turns out “some guy” is the son of the Guyanese ambassador. So the cops show up keenly interested in what just happened. So as they’re questioning the guy that did most of the beating, one of his buddies gets a bright idea about springing the guy. So he grabs a night stick from one of the cops and whacks him with it. Apparently thinking that’ll give his friend a chance to dash from out of the circle of cops wanting to find out why a diplomat’s son just got sent to the hospital.

    A Japanese cop. And not just any Japanese cop. A Japanese police lieutenant. So, after an all too brief display of their mad kendo skillz the Japanese cops bring miscreant no. 2 to ground. (Miscreant no. 1 did NOT make his escape.) Upon which time they discover he’s got a baggy full of hash stuffed in his sock.

    I know what you’re thinking. They didn’t plant it.

    Anyhoo you had to have been there. The Captain just let it out in drips and drabs as he was narrating the message. By the end I was practically in need of medical attention because I thought I had hurt myself from laughing so hard.

    Which I think makes this relevant to a discussion of Obamacare.

    Steve57 (338553)

  292. As it comes out I’m thinking, “OMFG, it can’t get any worse.” Then it gets worse.

    Unlike Obamacare it was funny because it wasn’t happening to me.

    Steve57 (338553)

  293. Has anybody seen the deluge of human props trotted out by the White House who had their substandard insurance canceled by bad apple insurance companies only to find better and more affordable coverage through 404Care?

    Have I missed the stories?

    The White House has never been shy about using human props in the past to tout the success of its policy initiatives. I must be missing stories because based on the Administration’s rhetoric there should be a veritable tidal wave of such people.

    Where are they?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  294. Ha, that’s true, where are the stories? Maybe Tlaloc has them.

    Pons Asinorum (8ce71a)

  295. Do you think that Ms. Fainting Pregnant Lady was for real, daley?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWYe8yrBsGk

    I don’t.

    Steve57 (338553)

  296. Steve57, that’s the kind of storied my phone rings with, once a week. When I make the mistake of running ads. But the ending is always “Do I have a case?”

    SPQR (768505)

  297. Elissa, #205: Not to worry, there’s a statistical principle called regression to the mean that pretty much ensures that any offspring will be quite a bit closer to being marginally functional. Of course, it will be 14 (Nevada) to 18 years before these kids can claim their freedom, and life will definitely be difficult for them. But then, life is going be be very difficult for a whole lot of people, especially those that Hte ONe claims as metaphorical offspring.

    PS: “Life and Death in Shanghai” has been a great inspiration for me. I try to pass it on to the many mainland (RED) Chinese students I’ve been running into lately. Thank you!

    bobathome (c0c2b5)

  298. Help me, Pons, I’ve turned into Freddie.

    http://movieclips.com/34TjB-the-wild-bunch-movie-aint-like-it-used-to-be/

    Back in the day that shark’s mouth was painted on a Tomcat. Outfitted with the mighty, mighty AWG-9. Track 24 targets, fire and forget on six. Now it’s a reserve aggressor squadron.

    http://m2.i.pbase.com/g1/85/668285/2/106313202.rcx1bYe0.jpg

    Aah, well. It’ll do.

    Still I miss Miss Molly.

    http://flyawaysimulation.com/media/images3/images/grumman-F-14D-tomcat-VF-111-repaint-fsx1.jpg

    Probably the most obnoxiously painted aircraft the USN ever had anything to do with. And as soon as they found out they had something to do with it they sent out a message saying “cut that s*** out.”

    Did I tell you about the fighter car competition we lost. It was a Sedan de Ville with a keg in the trunk and a spout on the fender, and a horn that said “eat me.” We were a lock on the win until VF-2 showed up with a tank and crushed all the other cars.

    I’m not even sure that’s legal considering the environmental impact studies that should be produced in Kali before you go bursting gas tanks and crank cases and such.

    But we were like, “Guess VF-2 wins cuz there don’t seem to be no more cars.” If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying.

    Won the skit though. It was an All Officers Meeting in a life raft in the O club pool. Which you can see in Top Gun.

    When I build the Hoopty of Hell’s Canyon, the ultimate off road Crown Vic, I’m including the keg. For, uhh, traction. I’m thinking a full keg can’t but help with the weight distribution. But I’m leaving out the tap on the fender. Cuz that’s like an invitation to the cops.

    Steve57 (338553)

  299. 300. Steve57, that’s the kind of storied my phone rings with, once a week. When I make the mistake of running ads. But the ending is always “Do I have a case?”

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 10/30/2013 @ 11:18 pm

    I already said I wasn’t serious. What more do you want?

    Steve57 (338553)

  300. Which you can see in Top Gun.

    The pool. Not the skit. The skit was better.

    Steve57 (338553)

  301. Seriously, SPQR, how many flares should I send up before “transitioning” to a sea story?

    Steve57 (338553)

  302. Steve, #295: Reminds me of a guy from my high school who deserted from the Marines in 1966 (or thereabouts.) Planning ahead with the same skills that placed him in the lower quartile of our graduating class, he waited until he was on Okinawa to make good his get away. I wonder if we are still paying for his room and board?

    bobathome (c0c2b5)

  303. just start out with

    This is no 5hit.

    those of use who are members of the club can join right in after that. 😎

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  304. It’s interesting to note that the health insurance regulators in all 50 states must be failues, seeing as how all of them allowed these ‘bad-apple’ plans to profligate.

    Icy (34d424)

  305. if only Carol could join in too….

    http://www.neptunuslex.com/

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  306. …seeing as how all of them allowed these ‘bad-apple’ plans to profligate.

    that’s because the narod allowed their representatives to do so, which is further proof that only the federal government can save us from ourselves.

    /white smoke

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  307. JD, #289: We’re all pulling for you and your brother. If there’s anything specific we can help with, don’t hestitate to let us know.

    bobathome (c0c2b5)

  308. 306. Steve, #295: Reminds me of a guy from my high school who deserted from the Marines in 1966 (or thereabouts.) Planning ahead with the same skills that placed him in the lower quartile of our graduating class, he waited until he was on Okinawa to make good his get away. I wonder if we are still paying for his room and board?

    Comment by bobathome (c0c2b5) — 10/30/2013 @ 11:34 pm

    Sheer genius. Sometimes I’d counsel guys, “Just go down and drink in front of security at the front gate. Cut out the middle man.”

    Although odds were nobody from security would be guarding the front gate. They’d be down by the piers, fornicating. With the cash cage girls from the E club. Everyone’s married. But just not to each other.

    All the cash cage girls having been fired from the exchange for stealing. But the mafia found them another job.

    So the duty officer found a 100 grand or so shortfall and called security. And they told him, “Sir, we’re changing the watch right now. Can you call back in an hour?”

    WTFO?!?!

    All the girls who told the investigators while they’d screw over a drunk sailor at the drop of a hat they’d never screw over the Navy had iron clad alibis. They were scrogging like goats with the MAAs. Turned out it was a couple of retired chiefs who looted the place. Who didn’t realize they could be recalled to active duty for a court martial. And extradited.

    Whoops! Shockah.

    Steve57 (338553)

  309. meanwhile. Patterico hits the big time

    http://minx.cc/?post=344621

    (again)

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  310. 307. …those of use who are members of the club can join right in after that.

    Comment by redc1c4 (abd49e) — 10/30/2013 @ 11:37 pm

    That’s the thing. I don’t even know if I’m a member of the club or not.

    I spent 20 years doing a lot of BS. Facilitating leave. Cleaning up other people’s messes. I was able to document I spent enough time in Korea to qualify for membership in the VFW. If that’s worth anything.

    Hardly heroic.

    Steve57 (338553)

  311. that’s okay Steve57: the VA told me that my 20+ years in the Guard wasn’t military service and that i’m not a veteran in their eyes.

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  312. Full disclosure red, pons. I was intel. I was never in a paid flight status. I act like I’m associated with naval aviation because I was commissioned via AOCS. And my first squadron was TARPS. Tactical Airborne Reconnaissance Pod System.

    Naturally I was inclined to figure out how to break this wonderful new tool. Naturally my Ops O was skeered skittless.

    I’m framing this to make me look like the bad guy, BTW. I owe him that much.

    Anyhoo, and I’ve got the NATOPS entries to prove it, I was more than qualifed to be a back seater in an F-14 than than the VIPs he was giving rides to.

    When I got back from SERE, as far as the aviators were concerned I was a playah.

    Ops hung his head in shame.

    Steve57 (338553)

  313. any chance we can talk Flail-a-lot to poast on this thread?

    http://nicedoggie.net/?p=9400

    i wanna see Misha play with this toy… %-)

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  314. if you volunteered to wear a uniform,thus signing the check made out to “any amount, including my life” and payable to the American People, you’re a member of the club, at least in my eyes.

    we went where we were sent & did what we were told.

    that’s more than most folks do, and good enough for government w*rk.

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  315. I guess I’m a member of the club. Even though it meant a week off at Kadena, waiting for a hop to Atsugi.

    Cuz the masters of the universe decided they’d rather pay me for doing nothing for a week than pay for a commercial flight.

    Tanned. Rested. Alone. Unarmed. Unafraid.

    The Steve57 story.

    Steve57 (338553)

  316. different line items in the budget, and different bullet points on the old OER…

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  317. I lose sleep sometimes thinking I haven’t exacted enough retribution for my friends.

    http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/pentagon_9-11.htm

    Shanower, Dan F. CDR Navy

    One of my many failures.

    Steve57 (338553)

  318. If anyone is inclined to worry about me, don’t.

    The day after Halloween I’m hosting a dinner party. I’m roasting a chicken, and for desert there’s Pere Al Vino Rosso.

    That’s pears in red wine for you non Italian speakers.

    And you should be so lucky.

    Steve57 (338553)

  319. We’ve covered most of this but here in one place for the drive bys:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-30/10-signs-obamacare-going-wreck-us-economy

    It is also ironic that high-deductible, catastrophic plans are precisely what young people should be buying in the first place. They are inexpensive because they provide coverage for unlikely, but expensive, events. Routine care is best paid for out-of-pocket by value conscious consumers. But Obamacare outlaws these plans, in favor of what amounts to prepaid medical treatment that shifts the cost of services to taxpayers. In such a system, patients have no incentive to contain costs. Since the biggest factor driving health care costs higher in the first place has been the over use of insurance that results from government-provided tax incentives, and the lack of cost accountability that results from a third-party payer system, Obamacare will bend the cost curve even higher. The fact that Obamacare does nothing to rein in costs while providing an open-ended insurance subsidy may be good news for hospitals and insurance companies, but it’s bad news for taxpayers, on whom this increased burden will ultimately fall.

    Thanks GOP, for nothing, your epitaph.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  320. red and 57, for one I love the vets reminiscing, tho I can’t decode it all, part of the charm.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  321. 283. “And speaking of Cruz,”

    he da Man!

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  322. team republican has been silent the last few days, they must be in a comfortable place.

    mg (31009b)

  323. What is “team republican”? I doan theenk eet means wut I theenk joo theenk I theenk eet means if joo know wut I mean.

    nk (dbc370)

  324. team republican is a group of people who continually pick candidates that the media loves. And anyone who says anything bad about Mr. Cruz. That would be 90% of the elected republican party.
    What a sick joke republicans have played on us gullible dinks.

    mg (31009b)

  325. That is what I thought you meant, after all. Self-seeking little weasels. Seriously, if McCain were to move to Illinois and run against Durbin, I’d vote for Durbin because I know he’d give me the courtesy of a reach around.

    nk (dbc370)

  326. You make my eyes hurt with that visual, nk.
    Would you vote for Franken with a two hand reach around or Graham?

    mg (31009b)

  327. Franken or Graham. Hell of a choice there, mg. It says something about both Democrats and Republicans that those two were elected — something not very nice at all.

    nk (dbc370)

  328. If Individual Policies cover families then what do I get? I am alone and have no family and I am 58 years old. Why do I need a family policy? I HAVE NO FAMILY! These damn fascists want me to be their slave all the time. I already pay over half my earnings to the government making me a tax slave. And they are above the laws I must live by. They are above the law. Now they want to double my health care costs and triple my premium so that my insurance will never pay for anything but I will be out an extra ten thousand dollars a year that I will have nothing to show for. That is over 15% of my income. But the raping by the democrat totalitarian party continues.

    Steve In Tulsa (b65760)

  329. Need to have an alternative, not just rant about the obviously pathetic shortcomings of ObamaCare. The Dems were all about destroying our current healthcare system, from insurance coverage to the medical professionals and more. This will be a life-changer in every sense of the word unless it is strangled in the crib.

    Colonel Haiku (89b580)

  330. I’d vote for Graham over Frankenstein, and gladly, if that were my choice. As we’ve heard several times from commenters, Republicans in blue and purple states have to be grateful for small favors.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  331. Heh. It autocorrected Franken to Frankenstein.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  332. 334. Norm Coleman is still retired.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  333. Having raised the issue here myself and receiving some feedback, I think what happens is that instead of spreading expected costs of maternity care over all those who might need it (ie, females of reproductive age), the cost is spread equally over everyone.
    The rationale (though not really rational) is that this makes things “fair”, as in women are not “penalized” by paying more for their insurance than a man.
    At least that is how I understand it.

    Is this done with auto insurance?

    If not, then there is an equal protection violation, for auto insurance and health insurance are being treated differently by the government.

    Michael Ejercito (b371e1)

  334. 336 – a shame team republican didn’t help him lawyer up during the reservation recount.

    mg (31009b)

  335. 334 – I believe the d.n.a. of the g.o.p. has changed.
    Many think of Graham as the worst of two evils.

    mg (31009b)

  336. 324. …tho I can’t decode it all, part of the charm.

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 10/31/2013 @ 3:23 am

    Don’t worry about it. I knew it was time to leave active duty when I walked back to my cubicle with Air Force chick (we were “joint”) and she looked at a post-it note someone left me on the computer and said, “What the hell is that?”

    It said, “LT, PSM ASAP. V/R CTT1.” And it made perfect sense to me. And that scared me.

    Steve57 (338553)

  337. LT = Lieutenant

    ASAP = As Soon As Possible

    What does the rest mean?

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  338. PSM=Please See me

    V/R=Very Respectfully

    CTT1=Cryptoligic Technician Technical First Class

    Steve57 (338553)

  339. Steve57 – sounds like y’all invented texting language long before texting was ubiquitous

    JD (58b0d1)

  340. CTT1 was my BFF until he went SWCC. Highlight of my day is when we’d do FOD walkdown with our bud the LSO. Who unfortunately got his career cut short because of TFOA. We were SOL.

    Steve57 (338553)

  341. I was drilling at NASNI at the time and only rode the carriers for COMPTUEX.

    Steve57 (338553)

  342. With CARGRU 3.

    Steve57 (338553)

  343. Something I noticed in the televised coverage that appeared on Special Report:

    Who was that elderly gentleman over Sebilius’ right shoulder in the audience who was reacting to everything positive and negative that was said?
    Anyone have a clue?

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  344. Comment by Michael Ejercito (b371e1) — 10/31/2013 @ 7:10 am

    Sir, you may be absolutely correct, but since when has the one felt the need to adhere to laws or principles that he doesn’t like, when he doesn’t want to?

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  345. He is like a bully who continues to get away with whatever he wants until somebody stops him, and no one has yet.
    “Four more years!!”

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  346. 348. …but since when has the one felt the need to adhere to laws or principles that he doesn’t like, when he doesn’t want to?

    Comment by MD in Philly (f9371b) — 10/31/2013 @ 1:05 pm

    Some of us used to care. I was once just such a sucker.

    Steve57 (338553)

  347. 348. …but since when has the one felt the need

    Some of us used to care. I was once just such a sucker.

    Comment by Steve57 (338553) — 10/31/2013 @ 1:17 pm

    Missed the part I bolded you did! To be more clear, MD should have written “Teh Won”, he should have!

    Yoda (c1890a)


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