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10/28/2013

Valerie Jarrett’s Blatant Lie: ObamaCare Is Not Forcing People Out of Their Health Plans

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:48 pm

Obama advisor Valerie Jarrett:

JD linked this earlier, but in light of Jarrett’s jaw-dropping dishonesty, I will link it again, and quote the beginning:

President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.

Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC NEWS that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”

Let’s watch this video yet again:

Nothing in our plan requires you to change what you have. Period. Yet millions are having their policies cancelled “because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law.”

And they knew this would happen. But they repeatedly said the opposite. Because they are liars.

But nothing beats the brazen brass balls of Valerie Jarrett, who continues to peddle the lie even as millions are getting those cancellation notices. With a giant “FACT” in capital letters right before the lie.

FACT: Valerie Jarrett and Barack Obama are liars. FACT: Big Media won’t tell you this. FACT: We will.

118 Responses to “Valerie Jarrett’s Blatant Lie: ObamaCare Is Not Forcing People Out of Their Health Plans”

  1. FACT: These people make me very angry.

    Patterico (9c670f)

  2. I have long said this: the plan is to demonize the insurance companies. When the companies raise rates, as they inevitably will and have already started to do, the natural Democrat response is: damn companies raising rates! Why, we need government to do something about it!

    Patterico (9c670f)

  3. Pat, Politifact(or whatever Orwellian bs thing they call themselves) called it half true. They couldn’t even be truthful about truth. With media cya coverage of this administration, why would anyone tell the truth if it would hurt them politically?

    Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157 (f7d5ba)

  4. They don’t care, Patterico. Obama’s sons will not see cancellation notices — they’ll see cheap or free insurance that they did not have before. They’ll believe and vociferously defend the lie. The ones who know Obama is a lying POS and are frustrated — they’re a bonus source of glee to the empty suit’s handlers.

    nk (dbc370)

  5. Liars lie and the left loves it.

    JD (5c1832)

  6. The Kos people will be very relieved to hear Valerie’s reassurances and they will busily run around and tweet and re-tweet her message far and wide. Poor lemmings just don’t see the cliff, do they?

    elissa (ed2492)

  7. I’ve dubbed them Pravdafact,

    narciso (3fec35)

  8. Nothing in ObamaCare forces people out of their insurance, except for that clause where they delegated to Sec Kansas to define what is and is not acceptable, and then made it almost impossible to grandfather the plans in. She is a brazen liar.

    JD (5c1832)

  9. From the same NBC link, not only did the Obama Administration know this would happen, they wrote the regulations that made it happen:

    None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date — the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example — the policy would not be grandfathered.

    They didn’t have to write the regulations this way. They did it because they want to fundamentally transform America.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  10. To them, The Truth is whatever they say it is. They have no credibility and they have no regrets about that. They’ve known for years that Obama’s 2010 statements about keeping one’s insurance was a lie.

    We’re now in a strange place… where provable falsehoods are insisted upon as being the truth and the people who should be held to account for telling them could care less.

    Colonel Haiku (97cf04)

  11. They actually want a repeat of the seventies, and they’re going to get it. The zipster is going to go full Carter on America.

    Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157 (f7d5ba)

  12. They had to know what is happening would happen.

    Demonizing insurance companies started long before the actual Web site disaster. In the first few days that was the go-to excuse.

    They also had to know that increasing the rates of mid- and upper-middle-class families would result in blowback.

    They also had to know the Web site would not work.

    It is a significant gamble. They are depending on the usual base and the Occupy losers to push them over the top in 2014.

    All they have to do is convince independents that nothing is their fault.

    And by they, I mean the President and the person pulling the strings. The person pulling the strings rhymes with Valerie Jarrett.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  13. Valerie Jarrett’s Twitter handle is vj44. I think she sees herself as the President’s alter ego. She probably is.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  14. Ms McArdle’s Obamacare reporting has been stellar of late. Every article she’s written since the Oct. 1 debacle has been a must read.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-28/obamacare-the-return-of-the-hmos.html

    elissa (ed2492)

  15. When the whole thing collapses, they’ll just say that it couldn’t work with private insurers, and that proves single payer was the only way to go. 404care’s failure was just the proof they needed to determine they were right all along.

    Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157 (f7d5ba)

  16. 2. I have long said this: the plan is to demonize the insurance companies. When the companies raise rates, as they inevitably will and have already started to do, the natural Democrat response is: damn companies raising rates! Why, we need government to do something about it!

    Comment by Patterico (9c670f) — 10/28/2013 @ 6:52 pm

    Of course it is. That’s part of the prog formula. Screw up the market (any market) through intrusive and unworkable policies. As the market becomes more dysfunctional, blame the private sector. Repeat.

    What’s odd in the health insurance market is that just over 60% of insurance companies that have over 100,000 subscribers nationwide are organized as non-profits. So it’s the fact that they’re merely private, not government, is behind the effort to demonize them.

    Steve57 (022c57)

  17. ok really?

    THAT was the comment what gets filtrated?

    that’s a wee lil bit spooky

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  18. 14. When the whole thing collapses, they’ll just say that it couldn’t work with private insurers, and that proves single payer was the only way to go. 404care’s failure was just the proof they needed to determine they were right all along.

    Comment by Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157 (f7d5ba) — 10/28/2013 @ 7:14 pm

    I don’t think that was the intent. They didn’t want it to collapse so quickly that people still remember that things were better before the fed’s last regulatory raid on what’s left of the free market in health insurance.

    I believe Ace makes a good point. The Obama administration delayed the employer mandate for a year because the vast majority of people get health insurance through their jobs. Since employers can’t be fined if they don’t offer ACA compliant insurance that delayed the shock for a while. But in 2014 they’ll get the high hard one, too. Just like the people on the individual market now.

    Steve57 (022c57)

  19. There’s a reason ValJar almost never appears on the Sunday morning political talk shows to defend her guy and his policies. They all know she’s stupid and ineffective. So, they still have to import Axelrod in from Chicago.

    elissa (ed2492)

  20. ‘Lester Bangs’ was on Morning Joke, throwing that trial balloon out,

    narciso (3fec35)

  21. I do not know this Kate McKinnon because

    nobody tells me anything plus also

    with respect to broadcast network programming, I pretty much only watch CW stuff

    but I would but Kate a whole stack of white chockit green tea pancakes and only ask for one bite as long as she made eye contact while she – slowly – lifted the fork to my lips

    but that would never really actually happen

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  22. I’m not sure what I was going for in that fourth line there

    I’ll get my people on it first thing tomorrow morning and report back for you guys

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  23. It depends on what the definition of “forces” is.

    In one narrowly defined way, I suppose there is nothing in Obamacare that directly and explicitly says one cannot keep the insurance they have if they want to,
    but the consequences of Obamacare make this an eventual reality in the details of how it gets worked out.

    It is a bit like saying that gravity isn’t dangerous. In one way it isn’t, but the consequence of falling out of a 10th story window is that you’re dead because of it.

    Just because something is not a “lie” doesn’t mean it is not a deception.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  24. “forces” is what happens when you pretend not to understand that no means no

    food stamp is very good at this kind of pretendings

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  25. There’s a reason ValJar almost never appears on the Sunday morning political talk shows to defend her guy and his policies. They all know she’s stupid and ineffective. So, they still have to import Axelrod in from Chicago.

    Comment by elissa (ed2492) — 10/28/2013 @ 7:24 pm

    I agree. They would not have been wanting Blagojevitch to appoint her to the Senate if she were any good in the White House.

    nk (dbc370)

  26. Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 10/28/2013 @ 7:08 pm

    But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date — the deductible, co-pay, or benefits,

    That would be, what, anything except the premium.

    the policy would not be grandfathered.

    The real catch is that it is not plans existing on December 31, 2013 that are grandfathered in, but plans existing on March 23, 2010.

    They did it because they want to fundamentally transform America

    They did it because they wanted to make the math work. It still won’t.

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  27. Valerie Jarrett’s Twitter handle is vj44. I think she sees herself as the President’s alter ego.

    She apparently is as vindictive and thin-skinned as Barry is, since she reportedly said that if the election of November 2012 went their way, it would be payback time to everyone who opposed them. Or vengeance be thy name.

    The petty, spiteful way they closed up parks and monuments a few weeks ago was merely another manifestation of that.

    Mark (58ea35)

  28. Sammy Finkelman:

    But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date — the deductible, co-pay, or benefits,

    That would be, what, anything except the premium.

    I don’t think so. This Kaiser article suggests even a premium change can cause a policy to lose grandfathered status:

    Most health insurance plans that existed on March 23, 2010 are eligible for grandfathered status and therefore do not have to meet all the requirements of the health care law. But if an insurer or employer makes significant changes to a plan’s benefits or how much members pay through premiums, copays or deductibles, then the plan loses that status.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  29. This lie that Obamacare hasn’t forced many policy cancellations is not going to go over well with voters who see it happen to them.

    This “we didn’t do it” BS is ridiculous on its face. People let it slide when it’s something that doesn’t impact them directly, but this isn’t going to work one bit. I think the coming elections will be a powerful statement.

    Dustin (872223)

  30. We are watching passively as an enormous boil erupts on the face of Uncle Sam. Our founders declared that they (and their offspring) had God given rights, but they didn’t presume that God was going to keep those rights safe. They were willing to risk everything to prove that they were correct. Many of them paid with their childrens’, and their own, lives when the British put them to the test, as Rush Limbaugh’s father’s famous essay documents. We have stooges running the DoD, NSA, TSA and Homeland Security on behalf of some of the most frightening politicians ever to trod the swamps of the District of Columbia, and yet we say nothing when 2717 armored personnel carriers are deployed across the country.

    There are still many who believe and work for justice, but have you made even the easiest of sacrifices, a monetary contribution or a subscription for example, to a deserving organization to help keep them going? The Washington Times is fighting a truly ominous use of a frivolous search warrant to attack the our 1st Amendment Rights. Not unlike the swatting that threatened Patterico, Audrey Hudson found herself under the guns of a predawn raid by the Coast Guard and the Maryland Police in an effort obstensibly to search for her husbands firearms, but which in fact was directed at her research notes about the TSA.

    I served in the Coast Guard many years ago, and I have no illusions about the quality of the men and women who serve in that organization. Some are terrific, some should be in jail. It really depends on the political oversight of the institution. Five years of selecting for sociopathic tendencies while eliminating all respect for constitutional safeguards will give us brown shirted thugs, albeit suitable credentialed with all sorts of academic credentials. Somehow we must stand together.

    bobathome (c0c2b5)

  31. Sammy Finkelman:

    They did it because they want to fundamentally transform America

    They did it because they wanted to make the math work. It still won’t.

    If the last 5 years prove anything, it’s that the Obama Administration doesn’t care about making the government math work. Balancing the budget, let alone a specific program budget, isn’t on Obama’s radar.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  32. bobathome is right.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  33. Liar liar pants on fire.

    Here is my wife’s ACA-based cancellation. Blue Shield is quite clear about it.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  34. DRJ, they only care about making the PR work.

    That’s the thing about their claim that the Obamacare website will be up and running by the end of November. Zients wasn’t on the job long enough to actually figure out what’s wrong with the exchanges.

    But that’s not the point. By the end of November they’ll have figured out the next move in the Big Lie campaign.

    Steve57 (022c57)

  35. Damn. OK. Here’s the link ACA-based cancellation

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  36. “But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date — the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example — the policy would not be grandfathered.”

    This is basic and should be understood. The Obamacare plan was to impose a larded up program with lots of mandates and then use harsh rationing to divert care to favored groups.

    Long ago, the Heritage Foundation was trying to figure out a way to mandate basic catastrophic coverage so the tax payer and hospitals did not get hit with all the noncompensated care.

    The Democrats now claim that this was Obamacare. It’s a lie but that is not news.

    MikeK (dc6ffe)

  37. Note that the previous plan was $353.month. Now it will be $480 and not as good.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  38. 29. Comment by Dustin (872223) — 10/28/2013 @ 8:15 pm

    This lie that Obamacare hasn’t forced many policy cancellations

    Valerie Jarretts’s not saying that. Her tweet went:

    Valerie Jarrett ✔ @vj44 FACT: Nothing in #Obamacare forces people out of their health plans. No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans.

    Read it very carefully. Nothing in Obamacare forces people out of their health plans.
    True. What it does is it forces their health care plans out from under them!!

    She said: “No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans.” Strictly speaking, true. What she didn’t say was that Obamacare forces insurance companies to change their plans!

    That’s why Politico (comment #3) called it a half truth.

    is not going to go over well with voters who see it happen to them.

    A lot of people will think this is an outright lie, and not remember or check the precise wording.

    This “we didn’t do it” BS is ridiculous on its face.

    Of course it is. And people aren’t really going to blame the insurance companies. That’s not what this is about. This is about stopping people short when they try to talk to others and complain.

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  39. Sammy, she’s lying. How she does it isn’t interesting. She is saying words with the intention to make people believe something she knows is not true. This is called “a lie.”

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  40. 36. So what you are saying is that while back in the early 1990s the Heritage Foundation indeed had a proposal that included the individual mandate, the policies would have been much cheaper and more limited.

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  41. The NBC link has been disappeared…

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    Dana (6178d5)

  42. I stand corrected. It is a “damn lie,”

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  43. Hush, Sammah.

    JD (5c1832)

  44. Kevin M,

    You and your wife have my sympathy, but some are losing their individual plans and haven’t been offered replacement policies at any price. It’s particularly difficult for those who are receiving expensive treatments for pre-existing conditions (like cancer), since their only option is the non-working ObamaCare exchange.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  45. Krauthamer has right.

    Speaking during a panel appearance on Special Report, Krauthammer criticized the minimum coverage required of plans, deriding it for causing the cancellations. “You have a plan, you like the plan, you want the plan, but [the government calls] it substandard because some expert in Washington had written a regulation which it doesn’t meet or fit, and we’re going to cancel it on you,” he said.

    “I mean, it’s almost a parody of the definition of a liberal,” Krauthammer said, “which is: somebody who doesn’t care what you do as long as it’s mandatory.”

    Dana (6178d5)

  46. Fox News has an abbreviated version of the NBC News report that has mysteriously disappeared.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  47. Valerie Jarret said this:

    “I think Barack knew that he had God-given talents that were extraordinary. He knows exactly how smart he is. . . . He knows how perceptive he is. He knows what a good reader of people he is. And he knows that he has the ability — the extraordinary, uncanny ability — to take a thousand different perspectives, digest them and make sense out of them, and I think that he has never really been challenged intellectually. . . . So what I sensed in him was not just a restless spirit but somebody with such extraordinary talents that had to be really taxed in order for him to be happy. . . . He’s been bored to death his whole life. He’s just too talented to do what ordinary people do.”

    When I look at Eddie, he says the same thing to me. Of course, Eddie is my dog.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  48. from this moment on I dedicate the rest of my days to the resurrection of the dead dying died NBC link

    the blood of christ, shed for you

    and also with you

    let us pray

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  49. 28. It seems like the maximum percentage increase for a lot of thing is 1.15 times the medical inflation index. This index would not take account of increasing use of some services.

    But some things aren’t grandfathered at all, including any exclusion for pre-existing conditions, or annual limits on individual policies.

    In reality, therefore, it is only group plans that are grandfathered (so long as continuous coverage since March 23, 2010 applies to any one individual)

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  50. Yes, but why did it disappear??? They haven’t cleaned their Twitter feed yet.

    NBC Investigations
    View this content on NBC Investigations’s website
    Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance

    President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or…
    View on web

    https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/394945326140096512

    Dana (6178d5)

  51. #44.

    DRJ, you are so right. For example Aetna used to write individual policies in CA, but they will leave the individual market in 2014 and all their customers have to go elsewhere. Assuming that it is possible to sign up for other insurance, they will be able to, preexisting conditions or not (one of the few useful things in Obamacare), but it will be a struggle and they will find that all the rates are up.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  52. I guess NBC could be updating the article or moving it to another location. It could also be a traffic issue. It’s probably a benign technical reason if the article is back soon, but it’s still strange.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  53. You’ll notice that the Fox report said “over the next year” (not by January 1) because there is a loophole:

    Substandard plans can be bought and sold until December 31, 2013, and indeed many 2013 insurance plans can be found at ehealthinsurance.com.

    It’s just that some states, including California, will not allow a company to list policies on the exchange if they sell any policies that would not qualify to be listed on the exchange. Companies that avoid the exchange can do so.

    If this is correct, insurance cancellations right now are only taking place in some (but not all) of the 14 states that run their own exchanges. In other states people can renew their old policies if hey do so before January 1. So far I’ve mainly heard of policies being cancelled in California, Florida and Connecticut, all of which run their own exchanges.

    The media is not getting this thing clear.

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  54. Kevin M,

    What worries me is they may not be able to sign up by January 1, so there could be a disruption in coverage. That’s a big deal for someone in the middle of cancer treatment.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  55. I don’t give them the benefit of the doubt, DRJ.

    Dana (6178d5)

  56. 51. That sounds like maybe Aetna policy holders in California might be able to get another year, if the policy is bought by midnight, December 31, 2013. And even people who never bought from Aetna.

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  57. this twitter feed is…

    clean

    tangina???? is that you?

    *hugs*

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  58. That sounds like maybe Aetna policy holders in California might be able to get another year, if the policy is bought by midnight, December 31, 2013. And even people who never bought from Aetna.

    Uh, no. But keep trying.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  59. Dana,

    I don’t trust NBC either. Especially NBC.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  60. Uh, no. But keep trying.

    Please don’t keep trying.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  61. Clarence Page, liberal pundit for the Chicago Tribune, appeared on Hugh Hewitt today and admitted that Obama lied about everyone keeping their health plan if they liked it.

    Page said it was nothing more than a typical, politician-type lie. No big deal.

    AZ Bob (c99389)

  62. DRJ,

    Yes, that could be a problem especially as I’m expecting a lot of lost applications blamed on 404.com and most of them will be high-cost individuals.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  63. Ed Henry pressed Carney today, who had to admit the truth. They are so desperately trying to spin this, but they can’t all keep it straight what they can admit to and what they can’t. Essentially, Carney called out Jarrett …and the President, liars.

    The journalist Ed Henry asked, “The president, when he was trying to get the law passed, repeatedly said, if you currently have health insurance you will be able to keep your plan. This morning David Axelrod was pressed on that point and said, the majority — the vast majority — will be able to keep their plans. He no longer works at the White House. From the podium, will you admit that when president said, if you have a plan, you’ll get to keep it, that that was not true?”

    After some throat clearing, Carney said, “So it’s true there are existing health care plans on the individual market that do not meet those minimum standards and therefore do not qualify for the Affordable Care Act.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/wh-its-true-some-americans-wont-be-able-keep-their-health-care-plan-under-obamacare_764860.html

    Dana (6178d5)

  64. 53. …Substandard plans can be bought and sold until December 31, 2013, and indeed many 2013 insurance plans can be found at ehealthinsurance.com.

    You give yourself away bay adopting the Jay Carney spin, Sammy. Just because some bureaucrat that decides that I, a 50 year old man, now needs to buy coverage that includes maternity care, contraceptives, and abortifacients doesn’t make my previous plan that didn’t cover that “substandard.”

    It makes it sub-fascist. But since that doesn’t go over well in the focus groups they came up with a new lie.

    It’s just that some states, including California, will not allow a company to list policies on the exchange if they sell any policies that would not qualify to be listed on the exchange. Companies that avoid the exchange can do so.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (70818b) — 10/28/2013 @ 8:55 pm

    The states don’t decide what can be sold on the exchanges. Obama and Kathleen Sebelius do.

    Steve57 (022c57)

  65. Comcast is getting all of their media pinheads back on the reservation… perhaps Verizon can help Obumbler right the sinking ACA ship, as he’s asked these favored, crony corporatists to.

    Colonel Haiku (6b7e88)

  66. One simple cynical move would have been to require that policies written for males must cover maternity expenses… which would render 49.7% existing policies non-compliant.
    Oh.

    And that @vj44 vajay is way older than 44.. hideous makeup can’t hide dust.

    steveg (794291)

  67. now that the pug-faced instapundit has busted mark steyn for doom-mongering things will be moving along fairly quickly I reckon

    America’s greatest days are like totally in front of her pitiful hocked-to-the-gills whore ass

    oh btw I think there’s some shrimp cocktail in the fridge brb

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  68. Unreal!

    It’s like she’s saying, “Hey, didn’t you see the asterisk you suckers?”

    Patricia (be0117)

  69. Don’t be trashing Instapundit, Mr. feets. I’ve got some great recipes from him over the years. Either his own or from his links.

    Still got some leftover Salsa Chicken in the fridge and I’m getting hungry just thinking about it.

    Steve57 (022c57)

  70. 64. They call it substandard. I didn’t know what other word to use. Unqualified?

    Maybe I should have put “substandard” in quotation marks?

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  71. Politico says the White House is pushing back hard against the NBC News’ report. Maybe that has something to do with the article’s disappearance.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  72. Just when I thought an amusement park not having a collapsed mine on Halloween was the nadir of First World misfortunes, you have to bring up Instapundit and Mark Steyn spatting, happyfeet. Can things get any worse? I couldn’t bear it if they did.

    nk (dbc370)

  73. Comment by Steve57 (022c57) — 10/28/2013 @ 9:04 pm

    It’s just that some states, including California, will not allow a company to list policies on the exchange if they sell any policies that would not qualify to be listed on the exchange. Companies that avoid the exchange can do so.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (70818b) — 10/28/2013 @ 8:55 pm

    The states don’t decide what can be sold on the exchanges. Obama and Kathleen Sebelius do.

    Some states restricted it further, not allowing any companies to list policies on the exchange unless ALL their policies would be ACA compliant, even before January 1, 2014. In other states policies can be renewed early.

    Even in California you might be able to find a 2013 policy you can still buy until December 31, 2013 and keep for the duration of whatever term you agree to, on ehealthinsurance.com from companies that are not listing on the exchange, like maybe Aetna.

    That’s basically what the New York Times said. It has the ring of truth. You’ll notice all the reports of cancellations are coming only from states in which there are state-run exchanges. And the stories that speak of cancellation don’t say “by January 1″ but “over the next year”

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  74. The government requires McDonalds to give away free apple pies, and side salads with each Quarter pounder meal. But the government does not allow a higher PRICE.

    It’s fecking easy. Only a dimwitted libtard doesn’t get the bait and switch.

    Gus (70b624)

  75. 70. …I didn’t know what other word to use. Unqualified?

    Maybe I should have put “substandard” in quotation marks?

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (70818b) — 10/28/2013 @ 9:22 pm

    How about not boiling it down to a single word? How about the more accurate term “HHS compliant?” Because that’s what we’re talking about. You the consumer are no longer in charge of making decisions about what constitutes good health insurance. And neither is the PPACA, because it delegates the authority to the Sec of HHS.

    So somebody who’s a teetotaler and a non-drug user didn’t have “substandard” insurance last year when they didn’t pay for addiction treatments. But now that teetotaler, non-drug user no longer has HHS compliant coverage if that person isn’t paying for services they don’t need or want.

    Steve57 (022c57)

  76. 61. It’s a typical Obama lie. Other politicians don’t like about the issues like he does – except of course for Bill Clinton, but he’s in a league by himself, and will often concede points to the other side of the argument, even if the whole thing is a lie.

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  77. The White House claims 46% of young people can buy insurance for $50 a month.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  78. Nothing in Obamacare forces people out of their health plans.
    True. What it does is it forces their health care plans out from under them!!

    Sammy,

    oh never mind.

    Dustin (303dca)

  79. The NBC News article is back at another URL, but is it the same article as before?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  80. 77. The White House claims 46% of young people can buy insurance for $50 a month.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 10/28/2013 @ 9:40 pm

    And why shouldn’t we believe the administration that said a family of four would see their premiums go down by $2500 a year?

    Can’t think of a reason.

    Steve57 (022c57)

  81. It isn’t the same article. The following quote from my comment 9 is missing in the new version:

    None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date — the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example — the policy would not be grandfathered.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  82. There are probably other changes as well.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  83. The fact that the article changed suggests to me that it wasn’t a technical glitch, but that it was taken down and altered because of pressure — presumably from the White House.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  84. By the way, our friend Just Karl is all over the disappearing NBC News story.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  85. 81. I’m not sure it’s regulations.

    Rush Limbaugh already pointed that out on February 1, 2010, before the bill became law.

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  86. If NBC changed the URL, that means they changed the headline, and also tried to really hide the old headline.

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  87. 77. What is the percentage that can get it at $0 or less?

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  88. The fact that the article changed suggests to me that it wasn’t a technical glitch

    Moreover, that article is linked via a blaring red headline at the drudgereport.com, which is a heavy driver of hits to any website. Whether the report has been taken down for political reasons or not, I imagine quite a few folks at NBC News gnash their teeth whenever any less-that-flattering reporting is directed at their lord and savior.

    Mark (58ea35)

  89. 45%?

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  90. The new NBC News article has the same headline as before. The 3rd paragraph about the HHS regulations is what changed — it was deleted.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  91. 58. Kevin, you are right.

    http://ir.ehealthinsurance.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=198312&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1847489&highlight=

    Answers to Frequently Asked Questions

    Question: Is it true that Aetna will no longer be offering individual and family health insurance plans in the state of California?

    Answer: Yes, Aetna has announced plans to withdraw from the individual and family health insurance market in the state of California. Aetna is no longer offering individual and family plans for sale in the state, and coverage for existing policies will cease after December 31, 2013.

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  92. You have to give Obama and Valerie Jarrett credit. They have managed to screw up the country without ever showing the slightest qualification to do anything beyond promoting themselves.

    It’s as if the Kardashians are running the country.

    Estragon (19fa04)

  93. Maybe Celtic?

    http://www.celtic-net.com

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  94. “You’ll notice all the reports of cancellations are coming only from states in which there are state-run exchanges. And the stories that speak of cancellation don’t say “by January 1″ but “over the next year””

    Sammy – I don’t believe that is true. Are Florida and Pennsylvania state-based exchanges or federal exchanges?

    Also, how does your “loophole”, over the next year, do anything to make Obama’s original statement about keeping your insurance if you like it more true? The answer is that it doesn’t. Unless the policy is substantially the same as the one in effect in 2010, it will be canceled on the first renewal date after the effective date the new standards for the ACA are implemented on 1/01/14.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  95. The White House claims 46% of young people can buy insurance for $50 a month.
    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 10/28/2013 @ 9:40 pm

    — And Icy say “Why buy when you can get coverage under mommy and daddy’s policy for free?”

    Icy (309bbc)

  96. Florida does NOT run its own health insurance exchange, Finkelman!

    Icy (309bbc)

  97. President Coriolanus Snow from the Hunger Games just said it is not his fault young people are killing themselves.

    Rodney King's Spirit (5c6cbf)

  98. Valerie Jarrett is a grotesque fascist whore not unlike other similar whores such as for example Hitler

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  99. Visual via Larwyn:

    http://ninetymilesfromtyranny.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-sociopath.html

    For those with an unreasoning fear of text, it’s a poster suitable for the man cave.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  100. Now just sit back, hands behind your medulla, and imagine, if you will, how 404care will be a fond memory next year when the employer mandate lapses.

    You private insurance customers can lead the support groups.

    “Hi, I’m Jimmy Bob and I drive over the road for a major logistics firm. I lost my policy(whimpers pitably).”

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  101. #92–I think the Kardashians would do a better job.

    rochf (f3fbb0)

  102. “Obama is really prepared to take power and begin to RULE on Day 1.” — Valerie Jarrett

    Icy (309bbc)

  103. 96. Comment by Icy (309bbc) — 10/29/2013 @ 2:05 am

    Florida does NOT run its own health insurance exchange, Finkelman!

    I thought Florida does. Google seemed to tell me tghat:

    https://www.google.com/#q=florida+health+exchange

    I saw now this morning that my premise is wrong.

    CBS News this morning had a story about cancellations taking place in maybe ten states, and two of those shown on the map were Texas and New Jersey, which do not run their own exchanges.

    So there’s more to it.

    But it seems like 2013 policies can be bought as late as December 31, 2013, and they’ll be good as long as they stay completely unchanged and unrenewed, and it may be state legislation that’s preventing some insurance companies from offering it (others may just want to get out of the market)

    Just about all those getting letters are being taken by surprise. They were misled.

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  104. 94. Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 10/28/2013 @ 10:36 pm

    Also, how does your “loophole”, over the next year, do anything to make Obama’s original statement about keeping your insurance if you like it more true?

    It doesn’t make it true. It just makes the cancellations less immediate.

    The answer is that it doesn’t. Unless the policy is substantially the same as the one in effect in 2010, it will be canceled on the first renewal date after the effective date the new standards for the ACA are implemented on 1/01/14.

    Right.

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  105. And this is not over with yet.

    We still have the employer mandate to kick in and the Cadillac tax assessment. So a different group of people will be negatively impacted every few months now.

    Shock and awe may be subsiding but their war against us has just begun.

    Patricia (be0117)

  106. I saw now this morning that my premise is wrong.

    — It’s the crisp light of a brand new day.

    Icy (309bbc)

  107. “Just about all those getting letters are being taken by surprise. They were misled.”

    Sammy – You are getting closer to understanding the point of the post. Congratulations!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  108. I would love to be a fly on the wall of the West Wing.

    Are they panic stricken? Or so blind they think they win with this series of lies to get 404 Care off the ground?

    Patricia (be0117)

  109. Posted @ Hot Air:

    The Good News: 500,000 Californians Are Not Going To Lose Their Insurance

    The Bad News: 900,000 Are…

    Resist We Much on October 29, 2013 at 5:30 PM

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  110. “… the plan is to demonize the insurance companies. When the companies raise rates, as they inevitably will and have already started to do, the natural Democrat response is: damn companies raising rates! …”
    – – – – –

    Ace O’ Spades ran a post 10/10/13 regarding the Left’s charges of “Economic Treason” — he gave a brief history of how, during the French Revolution, bakers were forced into selling bread at a loss… When they tried to avoid the economic destruction, they were labeled “Economic Traitors” and hauled off to the guillotine.

    See
    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/344066.php

    Very Illuminating!

    A_Nonny_Mouse (4ae2a0)

  111. Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 10/29/2013 @ 8:46 am

    Sammy – You are getting closer to understanding the point of the post. Congratulations!

    I always understood it. But it was not a bare-faced lie. It was a damned lie, as Kevin M said.

    And they have a faulty statistic too: x% of people in such and such a category will pay less than $50 or $100. It’s a little like the old life expectancy statistic from 1900 or earlier, where there are a lot of babies born who die in infancy or before age 5..

    Many people will pay $0. Very few will pay in the range of $50 to $100. $0 is of course “less than” 50, as any person who passed 7th or 8th grade arithmetic will remember.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  112. I find the comparisons between Obama and the Kardashians offensive.

    The Kardashians know how to run a business.

    SPQR (768505)

  113. #112
    Well played, SPQR !

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  114. The number of people losing their plan under O-care is roughly 3x Obama’s margin of victory in 2012. Dismiss them at your peril, Dems.

    @JustKarl

    SPQR (768505)

  115. Elephant Stone, its true.

    Granted, their business model depends on pimping out the Kardashian/Jenner daughters for faux celebrity and converting that to sales of crappy clothing/jewelry etc.

    But its a business that makes profits.

    SPQR (768505)

  116. SPQR,

    I have sympathy for Bruce Jenner.
    The only episode (I swear !) of their family’s show that I ever saw was one where they were all out at dinner, and they were talking about Lady Gaga.
    One of the girls asked Bruce if he knew who Lady Gaga was, and he replied, “I have no idea who you’re talking about. When I have the radio on, I am listening to conservative talk radio.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  117. Valerie Jarrett is a grotesque fascist whore not unlike other similar whores such as for example Hitler

    Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 10/29/2013 @ 7:23 am

    Being unfair to grotesque fascist whores, you are! Apologize now you must!

    Yoda (ee1de0)

  118. 108 Re: fly on the West Wing.

    I think they think that if they break the news to people sloooowly, they’ll pay the high premiums. They think maybe people won’t log in, and maybe won’t complete a transaction – they hae got to get people to finish atransaction before tghey have too much time to think about it.

    They think this is like a $19.99 charge on your credit card.

    And they make projections based not on what is most likely, but on the minimum they need for Obamacare not to implode.

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)


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