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10/28/2013

If You Like Your Insurance, You Can Keep It. Period. Bald Faced Lie.

Filed under: General — JD @ 4:37 pm

[guest post by JD]

Lie. It was a calculated lie. Deliberate.

And the Obama Admin knew it. Anyone that had any sense knew it was not true. And the MFM let them get away with it.

Now, 4 years later, the MFM is acting shocked that they were lied to.

It seems the new spin/lie/meme is that they didn’t mean you could actually keep your policy/doctor/etc but you could keep their new more expensive plans with higher deductibles. Because they know better than you what kind of insurance coverage you want. Or need.

See Carney push their meme in this link, and follow up with Acosta’s question, which Carney goes to great length to avoid. And it is a great question. Acosta should expect to hear from the IRS any time now.

Sen Johnson is introducing a bill that would allow you to keep your plan if you like your plan. Period. How could Obama oppose his own words?!

Obama is a liar. He deliberately pushed this lie to paper over what they had to do to structure this train wreck. So he lied. He lied and he lied and he lied and he lied. And then he lied some more. It is really that simple.

—JD

24 Responses to “If You Like Your Insurance, You Can Keep It. Period. Bald Faced Lie.”

  1. Lying liars that tell lies about the lies they have told.

    JD (5c1832)

  2. (Channeling Tlaloc) It’s not Obama’s fault. It’s the fault of Republicans for watering down the original bill.

    Chuck Bartowski (11fb31)

  3. It’s not like nobody warned them.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  4. malice aforethought
    President Armslength Detached
    lying when lips move

    Colonel Haiku (97cf04)

  5. There ain’t enough trees or rope for this joke some call the media.

    Colonel Haiku (97cf04)

  6. The presidency is taking its toll. Poor guy has visibly aged since 2009 for somebody who says he only knows what’s going on when he reads it in teh newspaper. Imagine how wizened he’d look if he’d done actual work, and been engaged in economic`policy leadership, and been worried and on top of things foreign policy wise during that time.

    elissa (ed2492)

  7. Obama likes all the perqs that come with the office, but the job?… not so much.

    But how would he know? He’s like a modern day Maynard G. Krebs when it comes to work.

    Colonel Haiku (97cf04)

  8. “So he lied. He lied and he lied and he lied and he lied. And then he lied some more.”

    And after that he lied again.

    Jim (72cbc5)

  9. Dana Milbank lists just some of the many things Obama supposedly did not know … about his own administration’s actions.

    Tsk tsk, Dana, the question isn’t what Obama knew …

    The question is what did Valerie Jarrett know?

    SPQR (768505)

  10. My favorite exchange among the comments:

    mongolovesheriff
    6:09 PM MST
    Ok, rightwingers, answer me this: Is the USA better off now under Obama and the Dems or under Dumya and the Republics?

    Weldorzeta
    6:10 PM MST
    Ambassador Stevens, you want to take this one ?

    SPQR (768505)

  11. And by the way, the comment thread on Wash Post will make you very ashamed of that particular sampling of the stupidity of the American public.

    SPQR (768505)

  12. Milbank assumes facts not in evidence, but he does have a degree of introspection, for a day or so,

    narciso (3fec35)

  13. narciso, Milbank does this every couple of years. He pretends to be objective. It last about four days.

    SPQR (768505)

  14. “Well, I am not a crook!”
    “I did not have sex with that woman!”
    “if you like your doctor and plan, you can keep your doctor and plan”

    elissa (ed2492)

  15. PRAVDA is a lazy beast and is quite happy to print whatever is handed out. When the regime’s message proves undeniably false it pretends like never denied it at all and it’s all new information.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  16. Ok, rightwingers, answer me this: Is the USA better off now under Obama and the Dems or under Dumya and the Republics?

    You would have thought an administration that mishandled a market crash and appeared unable to formulated a solid response would have been an easy act to follow, but Obama’s incompetence (and/or ideological blindness) has proven to be an order of magnitude beyond that.

    By doing NOTHING, Obama would have had a robust recovery going for a few years now. Sadly, he decided that the thing to do was attack business and smother it with a tsunami of new rules, regulations, lawyers and entitlements.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  17. Kevin – features, and bugs. Never let a crisis go to waste.

    JD (5c1832)

  18. valerie jarrett is a fascist skank what has really really chola-looking eyebrows bless her heart

    (it cause she trashay)

    but let that pass

    she has Food Stamp’s balls in a vice to a degree poor toney-armed M’chelle has never ever touched

    always a puppet never a puppeteer, that’s our Food Stamp

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  19. Imagine how wizened he’d look if he’d done actual work, and been engaged in economic`policy leadership, and been worried and on top of things foreign policy wise during that time.

    Comment by elissa (ed2492) — 10/28/2013 @ 5:04 pm

    War Golf is Hell!”

    Yoda (ee1de0)

  20. The other emerging meme is that the GOP’s complaints with this system would all be solved by a single payer system. We. Are. So. Screwed.

    How wonderful that immigration is coming back up right before the election. Seeing the McCain/Rubio wing of the party embrace that will tick off the GOP base and keep them home. Again.

    AngelaTC (7169f1)

  21. The MFM is acting all shocked because they were hoping the coverage would actually be better and cheaper, thus justifying their little lie and their giant nudge.

    Patricia (be0117)

  22. If You Like Your Insurance, You Can Keep It. Period. Bald Faced Lie.

    JD: Obama is a liar….He lied and he lied and he lied and he lied. And then he lied some more. It is really that simple.

    5. Comment by Colonel Haiku (97cf04) — 10/28/2013 @ 4:58 pm

    There ain’t enough trees or rope for this joke some call the media.

    What happened to the Republican Party? They didn’t call him out on that either. Did anyone?

    Well, besides Rush Limbaugh.

    I found him criticizing that trope on August 5, 14, and 17 2009 and February 1 and 8, 2010 at least.

    He critizied it from a variety of angles. He said it contradicted the basic idea, which is that people wouldn’t be keeping their insurance. He said it wasn’t in the bill. (this did wind up as section 1251, but Rush points out the catch.)

    And he quoted real Clear Politics as saying this wasn’t in the final bill and Obama had admitted it.. (in the end the House passed the Senate bill unchanged)

    Rush Limbaugh February 1, 2010:

    BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

    RUSH: Now, here’s “Obama’s Stunning Admission,” Real Clear Politics, Tom Bevan: B-e-v-a-n. It might be “Bee-van.” I don’t know how he pronounces it and I don’t want to accidentally mispronounce somebody’s name. He said, “There’s been a remarkable amount of coverage of President Obama’s appearance at the House Republican retreat today, but I haven’t seen anyone focus on the President’s rather stunning admission about the Democrats’ health care legislation.”

    And here’s what Obama said about it: “The last thing I will say, though — let me say this about health care and the health care debate, because I think it also bears on a whole lot of other issues.

    “If you look at the package that we’ve presented — and there’s some stray cats and dogs that got in there that we were eliminating, we were in the process of eliminating.

    For example, we said from the start that it was going to be important for us to be consistent in saying to people if you can have your — if you want to keep the health insurance you got, you can keep it, that you’re not going to have anybody getting in between you and your doctor in your decision making. And I think that some of the provisions that got snuck in might have violated that pledge.”

    Might have?

    Mr. President, it was never in there! You were the only one that was ever saying, “If you like your insurance, you can keep it.” Both the House and Senate bills specifically had ways, numerous ways in which people would not be able to avoid losing their existing coverage and plans.

    He was the only one saying it. Now, Mr. Bevan says, “If we take this statement at face value, President Obama is admitting the the [sic] health care bills passed by either the House or Senate (or both) contained provisions which were ‘snuck in’ — presumably by Democratic members and perhaps on behalf of certain lobbyists — that would have in fact prevented people from keeping their current insurance and/or choosing the doctor they want.

    This was one of the core debates on health care throughout last year: Would President Obama and the Democrats’ legislation allow government to come between citizens and their choice of doctors and insurers? Obama promised it wouldn’t.

    Republicans said it would, and this was one of the aspects of the legislation that led them to characterize it as a government takeover of health care — the same characterization that Obama chastised the GOP for today.

    “So it’s a bit of shock to find out now — from the President himself, no less – that one or both of the bills that passed Congress late last year (the House passed its version in late November, the Senate on Christmas Eve Day) contained language that would have violated this pledge.”

    So he knew the pledge was violated. There was no effort to take it out. There was no effort to take out. He says, “We were in the process of eliminating it.” Well, no way. I mean, the House and Senate bills both contained it.

    You remember, folks. If any aspect of your current health care plan changed — including if your premium went up or if the deductible changed or if you changed provider — that was it. You were through, and you were going to have to go to the government option.

    And, by the way, the government option is as much alive today as it ever was in these backroom, strategic negotiations. And of course the states are working on this. We had that story. “States Seeking to Ban Mandatory Health Insurance.” You can go to jail for it under the bill if you don’t have insurance. You can get fined or perhaps even go to jail. Right now, “Lawmakers in 34 states now have filed or proposed amendments to their state constitutions or statutes rejecting health insurance mandates, according to the American Legislative Exchange Council…” They don’t want any part of this.

    END TRANSCRIPT

    I am not sure where Rush got the jail idea from.

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  23. This is Obama’s “Lewinsky” moment. “I did not have sex with that woman” has turned into “If you like your insurance policy, you’ll be able to keep it. Period”.

    Double benny: It brings up Lewinsky!!

    Mattled (db92de)

  24. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/29/the-obamacare-ripoff-more-money-for-less-insurance.html

    The Obamacare Ripoff: More Money for Less Insurance
    by David Frum
    Oct 29, 2013 12:04 PM EDT

    The president said over and over again that if I liked my health insurance I could keep it. Now I’m one of the thousands of people with canceled policies.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)


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