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10/14/2013

Politico Reports Harry Reid “Offer” That Is No Offer At All

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 11:28 am

The story comes from Politico, but no links for bullies, so Hot Air gets the link:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has privately offered Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell a deal that would reopen the government until mid-to-late December while extending the U.S. debt ceiling until next year, according to several sources familiar with the talks.

The proposal would set up a framework for larger budget negotiations with the House over the automatic sequestration spending cuts and other major deficit issues, the sources said. Moreover, Senate Democrats are open to delaying Obamacare’s medical device tax and a requirement that those receiving Obamacare subsidies be subject to income verification — but they would have to get something from Republicans in return, sources said.

I think we should respond with this offer: Harry Reid agrees to delaying Obamacare’s medical device tax and a requirement that those receiving Obamacare subsidies be subject to income verification, and then we’ll be open to reopening the government and extending the debt ceiling . . . but we would have to get something from Democrats in return.

When I put it that way: “you do x, and we’ll consider doing y if we get something in return” — it doesn’t sound like much of an offer at all, does it?

That’s because it’s not.

Yet Politico’s original headline, which they have rewritten but you can still see at Memeorandum, was “Harry Reid makes budget offer to Mitch McConnell.”

Yuh-huh.

Comments (90)

90 Responses to “Politico Reports Harry Reid “Offer” That Is No Offer At All”

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Patterico (9c670f) — 10/14/2013 @ 11:30 am
When I put it that way: “you do x, and we’ll consider doing y if we get something in return” — it doesn’t sound like much of an offer at all, does it?

That’s because it’s not.

The main thing the right gets out of any deal is some relief from the enormous beating they are taking in the polls. Frankly that’s enough of prize that they should expect to pay through the nose to get it.
Tlaloc (504b91) — 10/14/2013 @ 11:33 am
Tlaloc,

My hope is that they put the country’s future ahead of polls. That is a wild hope for politicians, but I think there are a handful (Cruz, Lee) for whom it is true.

Like Rand Paul says, y’all are getting greedy.
Patterico (9c670f) — 10/14/2013 @ 11:35 am
Falalalla is invested in its narrative.
JD (948ccb) — 10/14/2013 @ 11:37 am
Republicans need to realize that whether the “crisis” is real or manufactured, Obama, Reid and the rest of these Democrat assholes will make it as difficult as humanly possible for the people they “serve”.
Colonel Haiku (358fb1) — 10/14/2013 @ 11:37 am
Haven’t they established frameworks previously? That is DC-speak for punting and demagoguing.
JD (948ccb) — 10/14/2013 @ 11:38 am
My hope is that they put the country’s future ahead of polls. That is a wild hope for politicians, but I think there are a handful (Cruz, Lee) for whom it is true.

And you hoe that because you think that the majority are mistaken and want something bad for the country. But now here’s the relevant bit- why should the politicians trust your opinion more than the vast majority of your fellow americans?

Aren’t you guys the ones that believe in the wisdom of crowds/markets?
Tlaloc (504b91) — 10/14/2013 @ 11:42 am
Falalalla is invested in its narrative.

if the narrative is “republicans are losing the shutdown fight badly” then it seems like a lot of people are invested- media, pollsters, democrats, most republicans, heck just about everyone not named “Cruz.”

But if you like how this thing is turning out feel free to double down.
Tlaloc (504b91) — 10/14/2013 @ 11:44 am
the sequester is the best thing our congresswhores have done in years and years

if I were a Republican I’d be really pissed off Team R is trying to negotiate it away
happyfeet (c60db2) — 10/14/2013 @ 11:52 am
It’s actually worse than you make it out, Patterico.

“The proposal would set up a framework for larger budget negotiations with the House over the automatic sequestration spending cuts and other major deficit issues”

What “we” get includes renegotiating the things we got last time. It’s turds all the way down.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 10/14/2013 @ 11:53 am
my irony meter just exploded
redc1c4 (abd49e) — 10/14/2013 @ 11:53 am
I think that at this time, the Speaker needs to say that if Obama chooses to default on the debt or steal from Social Security that he will be immediately impeached.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 10/14/2013 @ 11:55 am
The reason for late december, is that new sequester cuts kick in January 1, so if the continuing resolution ends before January 1, it is not an issue.

Paul Ryan and others are amenabke to changing the sequester. The simplest way is rearranging it a little bit, but that’s limited.

Paul Ryan wants to and/or is willing to trade off increases in the spending limits imposed by the sequester cuts for entitlement cuts. Entitlement cuts are in the budget Obama submitted to Congress early this year. But Obama also wants tax increases. The tax increases he has proposed are mostly amenable to Republicans.

The sticking point is this: Obama wants to gain alot of revenue from “tax reform” while the Republicans want it to be revenue neutral.
Sammy Finkelman (e9b54a) — 10/14/2013 @ 11:56 am
We can’t negotiate the sequester. It is settled law.
JD (5c1832) — 10/14/2013 @ 11:57 am
8. Not being skilled at negotiating I wouldn’t be hurt if my advice were not followed but I’d say its time the House adjourn for the year.

I’m certain the NSA can track members down if they’re really needed.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 10/14/2013 @ 11:59 am
Notice how all these narratives and metrics only move in one direction?
JD (5c1832) — 10/14/2013 @ 11:59 am
In for a penny, in for a pound, Kevin. I like your prescription.
Colonel Haiku (146aeb) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:00 pm
I think that at this time, the Speaker needs to say that if Obama chooses to default on the debt or steal from Social Security that he will be immediately impeached.

I swear, it’s like watching a wiley coyote cartoon.
Tlaloc (7aba79) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:00 pm
Tlaloc was at the laundromat.
The change machine was ‘out of order’—due to National Park rangers, maybe ???
So Tlaloc approached a woman folding laundry, and asked “Sally Soccer Mom” if she had four quarters she could trade for his dollar bill.

“Sure, I’ll consider giving you four quarters for a dollar, but I’ll consider doing so only after you give me a couple of dollars. After you give me the couple of dollars, we can then open negotiations about me giving you four quarters for a future dollar bill. But before I do that, I’d have to first get something in return.”

Tlaloc began counting on his fingers, then did a face palm, before exiting the laundromat in disbelief, mumbling something about ‘an unfair deal.’

(Now you people know why Tlaloc’s clothes smell so bad !)
Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:01 pm
I still see the default, which isn’t really a default, as a Republican win. If we want the government to have choose to spend wisely and we want them to cut spending, what better than to make them pick and choose what to pay/fund?

The only fear is 2014 backlash. But, Hot Air just posted an article about the outrageous deductibles which surely people will feel. I don’t see a Democratic landslide due to the Obamacare debacle.

Plus, Obama looks like a spoiled child in all of this. I don’t think independents could possibly see him as a leader with his rhetoric and vindictive behavior.
ratbeach (f5aad4) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:01 pm
2. Odd, I haven’t been called.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:02 pm
Notice how all these narratives and metrics only move in one direction?

Notice how lots of people told you it would turn out this way ahead of time but you guys ignored them all?
Tlaloc (7aba79) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:02 pm
I still see the default, which isn’t really a default, as a Republican win. If we want the government to have choose to spend wisely and we want them to cut spending, what better than to make them pick and choose what to pay/fund?

The only fear is 2014 backlash.

A default, and the resulting economic chaos might well permanently sunder the chamber of commerce types from the GOP. That would mean minority party status for the foreseeable future.

But, Hot Air just posted an article about the outrageous deductibles which surely people will feel. I don’t see a Democratic landslide due to the Obamacare debacle.

Except as people have started using the exchange the overall popularity of the program has been marginally increasing, not decreasing.

Plus, Obama looks like a spoiled child in all of this. I don’t think independents could possibly see him as a leader with his rhetoric and vindictive behavior.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again- step out of the right wing bubble and you’ll find things look very different. To you guys Obama looks like a petulant child, but to the vast majority of americans the president is the one coming off the best. His numbers have barely budged. Congressional dems have had a small but significant dip. Republicans have hit a 20 year low.
Tlaloc (7aba79) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:06 pm
Comment by Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 10/14/2013 @ 11:55 am

the Speaker needs to say that if Obama chooses to default on the debt or steal from Social Security that he will be immediately impeached.

What the Speaker needs to do is to pass a short term unconditional debt limit increase and dare the Senate and Obama to reject it.

Now it is possible that that wouldn’t even pass the House because Pelosi will “whip” most Democrats into voting against it, and up to maybe 20 or 30% of Republicans members of the House will vote against it.

Tying things to the debt ceiling is actually more popular with the general public than tying things to the continuing resolution, because people don’t understand the issue, so indeed it might fail.

The Democrats in the House wants a debt ceiling bill to also have a continuing resolution and will vote against a bill that doesn’t have one.

The Democrats want either a short term – certainly not past December 31 – continuing resolution, or a longer term one that raises spending caps, paired with a long term increase in the debt ceiling.
Sammy Finkelman (e9b54a) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:07 pm
Now there’s another thing. October 17 is not the last day. Social Security checks don’t get sent to November 1.

There are any number of ways of dealing with this if the debt ceiling isn’t raised.

There is the McClintock bill, which allows priorotizing. And there is no reason to say no prioritizing can be done without it. If the Secretary of the Treasury can’t do it, the president probably can.

The Federal Reserve Board can also arrange with the banks to credit people with the amount of money they would get in Social security checks – a short interest free loan. I mean you can do things.

So the really serious date might be November 15.

Obama knows October 17 is not a real date.
Sammy Finkelman (e9b54a) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:10 pm
Tlaloc-

Could you explain again for us why we should take as sincere your alleged interest in the good of the Conservative cause?

Somehow I envision a Tokyo Rose accent saying, “Joe, I know you are tired of being away from home, just stop fighting and tell your commanders the fields need planting.”
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:10 pm
And you hoe that because you think that the majority are mistaken and want something bad for the country. But now here’s the relevant bit- why should the politicians trust your opinion more than the vast majority of your fellow americans?

Aren’t you guys the ones that believe in the wisdom of crowds/markets?

Market capitalism works best when there is perfect information. Markets fail when information is distorted. With Big Media, information is distorted. Of course people will be misled. Plus, people are ignorant about politics because they have a lot of other things going on in their lives.

I think crowds will take handouts if offered, and crowds will also defer pain if given the chance. No, I am not a believer in mob rule.
Patterico (9c670f) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:12 pm
I *want* to blow past the debt ceiling to show it does not mean default.
Patterico (9c670f) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:13 pm
And this business Obama is trying to push about how raising the debt ceiling does not mean more debt?

That is a lie.

I don’t like using the L-word, but honesty demands it be used when it fits.
Patterico (9c670f) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:14 pm
Thanks so much for caring about Republicans and our image Tlaloc, and for trying to point us in another direction that will get us better optics from the lapdogs. Your concern for the health and validity of the two party system leaves me all warm and tingly.
elissa (ad9aa3) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:16 pm
Could you explain again for us why we should take as sincere your alleged interest in the good of the Conservative cause?

What have I told you to do? Step outside your media bubble? You should do that anyway. Take note of the recent polling results? Ditto, should be doing that anyway. Usually when I give my opinion of how you could fix things I also invite you to stay on your self destructive course if you find it’s really working for you.

See, either way I win. You either learn to moderate and expand your sources of information, or you implode. Either way this current insanity will end. So in all sincerity I really want to see the fever you call conservativism to break, but that will happen one way or another. The only question is how long it takes and how much damage you do in the meantime.

So, like I said, if you are really enjoying losing the argument, seeing your hopes of holding the house dwindle and the possibility of taking the senate long gone, and all the infighting on your side…well then keep on trucking.
Tlaloc (7aba79) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:20 pm
With Big Media, information is distorted

How do you know it is “Big Media” that is distorting things and not your own righty media. Quick check which of the two correctly called the 2012 election and which of the two fed their clients a stead diet of BS on who would win and how close it would be?

Doesn’t that fact phase you at all?
Tlaloc (7aba79) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:21 pm
29. Speaking of which, its pretty obvious that Il Douche’s peoples are pushing hard for default.

Like Howard J.(aka Tlaloc)Mickens pushing the notion hard, that there is some sort of clamor to end the Slowdown and rioting in the streets to raise the Ceiling.

I’m out here near the end of the Earth but I’ve not seen or heard word one about this outside the Lamestream since Day 1.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:22 pm
A default, and the resulting economic chaos might well permanently sunder the chamber of commerce types from the GOP. That would mean minority party status for the foreseeable future.

Hah. Didn’t we hear this rhetoric on the shutdown? Please, we can readjust our payments to ensure the debtholders are paid. The admin doesn’t want to start making the tough choices because sadface.

Except as people have started using the exchange the overall popularity of the program has been marginally increasing, not decreasing.

Lulz. A mandate that forces people to buy works wonders. Surprise! Some people will therefore buy. Do you really think insurance with thousands of dollars in deductibles is going to make people happy? Especially when they get penalized for services they were supposed to have but couldn’t have because of high cost?

Have you read Forbes? They’ve been trashing Obamacare left and right – and Forbes is usually lib friendly. The problems with Obamacare have yet to hit the wallet of people. But, when it does, expect backlash.

His numbers have barely budged.

Obama has a -13 spread in his handling of the economy and foreign policy via RCP. His numbers are atrocious. The fact that people like him personally adjusts his overall numbers.
ratbeach (f5aad4) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:23 pm
Hey Failalot tallaloc… do you know why Obama took the unprecedented step of closing our National Parks and memorials during this “shutdown”?

What was it that prompted him to do such a thing?
Colonel Haiku (fb49f6) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:23 pm
I *want* to blow past the debt ceiling to show it does not mean default.

Do you give even a second’s consideration to the possibility you are wrong?

Put it this way, after seeing the ACA roll out you have 100% surety that an understaffed department of the government can change set programming to alter the payout so that not one bill will be missed?

Really? I don’t have nearly so much confidence in government as you do apparently!
Tlaloc (7aba79) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:24 pm
Your answer directly confirms the idea that you wish to see the implosion of Conservatism. No reason to listen to your “suggestions”.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:25 pm
Hey Failalot tallaloc… do you know why Obama took the unprecedented step of closing our National Parks and memorials during this “shutdown”?

You guys shut down the government, parks are run by the government, parks close.

You really don’t get that?

If the local starbucks closes do you stand at the door pounding and demanding to be let in?
Tlaloc (7aba79) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:26 pm
Your answer directly confirms the idea that you wish to see the implosion of Conservatism. No reason to listen to your “suggestions”.

Feel free. I mean it’s not like you guys are drowning in incompetence or anything…

Why would you possibly need an alternate view when things are going exactly according to plan!
Tlaloc (7aba79) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:27 pm
32. “that fact”

I know this may come as a volley from over the horizon across your bow, Howard, but you seem to be at square one establishing fact one.

Maybe I don’t comprehend everything people are saying in reply to your thin gruel but I’ve detected no assent whatever to your characterizations of reality.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:27 pm
Put it this way, after seeing the ACA roll out you have 100% surety that an understaffed department of the government can change set programming to alter the payout so that not one bill will be missed?

Really? I don’t have nearly so much confidence in government as you do apparently!

We take in 5.5 times what we need to pay interest on the bonds. If Obama can’t get his act together to pay that, that’s on him.

But thanks for trying to help us out. It’s always nice when leftists offer us advice, because I know they only have our best interests at heart!
Patterico (9c670f) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:30 pm
Feel free. I mean it’s not like you guys are drowning in incompetence or anything…

Why would you possibly need an alternate view when things are going exactly according to plan!

Tlaloc is here and he wants to help the right!
Patterico (9c670f) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:31 pm
And if any form of prioritizing is ruled out, there is the issuance of premium bonds, requiring mostly some changes in Treasury Department regulations.

And if that’s no good, there is the trillion dollar coin.

The Democratic base, and Paul Krugman (maybe – he might just be a 100% partisan hack) will be very angry at President Obama if he lets any of the dire consequences he claims will happen, happen, without rolling out the trillion dollar platinum coin.

Obama talks like his alternative would be something relying on the 14th amendment but that’s a complete misreading of the amendment and of what the debt ceiling truly is. Obama claims the trouble is the debt might not be recogized as debt, which is in fact the case until authorized by Congress.

That will work so long as he doesn’t get to the moment of truth.

There will be people around associated with his own party who will be blaming him, if anything bad happens, and not just the Republicans.

So Obama is not going to let real disaster happen
And he’s not going to try that phony 14th amendment solution. But the trillion dollar coin is perfectly legal. Not doing anything won’t fly.
Sammy Finkelman (3b0a8c) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:32 pm
“Most Americans know that raising the debt is the last thing we should be doing.”

—Senator Harry Reid, March 2006

———————————–

“…Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.”

—Senator Barack Obama, March 2006

OR SOMETHING !
Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:36 pm
Comment by Patterico (9c670f) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:14 pm

And this business Obama is trying to push about how raising the debt ceiling does not mean more debt?

It’s means of controlling debt in the same sense that a brick wall is a means of controlling train speed.
Sammy Finkelman (3b0a8c) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:36 pm
Falalalala’s solutions mirror the narrative pushed by the MFM and the Dems (redundant). If only you give in to all their social programming and policy ideals, people will like you more, and they will treat you nicer. Except it is never the case. And we ratchet even more to the left.
JD (5c1832) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:38 pm
“If the local starbucks closes do you stand at the door pounding and demanding to be let in?”

Tlaloc – If I own the Starbucks, why would I do something silly like stand at the door pounding and demand to be let in? I would walk right in.

You really don’t get that do you?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:39 pm
Tlaloc – Do you believe in property rights?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:41 pm
And this business Obama is trying to push about how raising the debt ceiling does not mean more debt?

No more than raising the limit on a maxed out credit card does not mean the debt rises to the new max.

But it is the way to bet.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:42 pm
The solution to maxing out your credit card, repeatedly, is not to pay it off. It is to convince Visa to just keep increasing your limit.
JD (5c1832) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:43 pm
Tlaloc – Do you believe in property rights?

He’s probably like that Occupy guy who was going on and on about how property was an evil concept and that everything should be shared, when he noticed that his iPad had been stolen.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:43 pm
The solution to maxing out your credit card, repeatedly, is not to pay it off. It is to convince Visa to just keep increasing your limit.

And when they don’t, and you default, it’s their fault!
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:44 pm
It’s like Failalot is either willfully stupid or really doesn’t understand the implication. There have been shutdowns in the past. Why did Obama take the heretofore unprecedented steps of closing National Parks and memorials, TaLaLoc? The last Dem prez didn’t do that in the mid-90s and none of the others did either. Why did Obama???????
Colonel Haiku (146aeb) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:45 pm
Hey Tlaloc,

It’s as Reagan famously said, “we are a nation that has a government—not the other way around.“
Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:46 pm
The only things that cannot be allowed to happen are: the USA defaults on its sovereign debt, or it prevents the Social Security Trust Fund from making timely payments to pensioners.

Everything else is, to some degree, negotiable. But if either of those first things happen, we have a singularity and anything can happen. Impeachment is just a mild first step.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:50 pm
Tlaloc,

I think your approval rating is well below Obama’s 37%.
Maybe you should work on that crease in your slacks. At least then you’d have David Brooks’ approval.
Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:52 pm
49. I get your point but Lew has already taken $600 Billion out of Federal Pensions that will be paid immediately.

And there’s $400 Billion in Treasuries coming due between 10/15 and 11/15 which he will be looking to rollover, a caveat being that the new notes and bills will be pricier and he may balk in the belly and we could have a failed auction so notes would be temporarily redeemed from revenues.

If all the rollovers failed we’d have insufficient funds.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 10/14/2013 @ 12:57 pm
When you’ve lost Baghdad Bob—

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/361168/gibbs-obamacare-rollout-excruciatingly-embarrassing-andrew-johnson
elissa (ad9aa3) — 10/14/2013 @ 1:00 pm
But now here’s the relevant bit- why should the politicians trust your opinion more than the vast majority of your fellow americans?

@7 Comment by Tlaloc (504b91) — 10/14/2013 @ 11:42 am

Public Approval of Health Care Law —
For: 38%
Against: 48%

Aren’t you guys the ones that believe in the wisdom of crowds/markets?

[Note: “you guys” is Tlalc’s way of saying “my conservative straw men,” which I will take the liberty of simply converting to “some conservatives.” Thanks]

You confuse free markets (self-interests) with a Free People (the public interests). Obviously, both have different purposes.

The wisdom of the free market is self-evident to one with the capability to read, comprehend, and logically analyze facts.

The wisdom of a free People is not the same as a crowd (citizen vs mob). Citizens vote for not only their interests, but those of future generations too, sometimes even at the cost of their own selfish gains. The mob is just the opposite, which is a political form that skews toward anarchy and is generally opposed by a free People just as vehemently as they would a dictator.

—

Our Founding Fathers crafted the Constitution as a Federal Republic that has features of a democracy, but with enormous checks and balances. These checks and balances tend to compartmentalize power to where it can best serve the nation, on behalf of the people to include future generations.

Which is the situation our nation now finds itself. The People have wisely decided against Obamacare, but the government has found a way to force it upon the People. So now, our Constitution is under test. Our Constitutional checks and balances are in full swing, which include ongoing Supreme Court challenges, the House’s power of the purse, elections, and (worse case) amendments.
Pons Asinoirum (8ce71a) — 10/14/2013 @ 1:00 pm
Another of the tolerant Left:

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/10/ky-man-gets-prison-time-for-hacking-social-networking-accounts-to-change-conservative-comments/

Pullen said he targeted the accounts of people who are intolerant of others.

“They were saying these devious, dastardly things like, ‘I can’t wait for the second Civil War so I can shoot me a liberal,’ ” Pullen said.

Somehow the idea he bowdlerized their comments, e.g., replaced them with harmless nonsense, I find unlikely.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 10/14/2013 @ 1:54 pm
Only enough Debt Limit increase to cover FY-2014 spending under the Sequester, with the limit to expire at 2400-hrs on 30 Sept 2014.
askeptic (b8ab92) — 10/14/2013 @ 2:48 pm
Just why are we engaging TurdLock?
askeptic (b8ab92) — 10/14/2013 @ 2:50 pm
The wisdom of the free market is self-evident to one with the capability to read, comprehend, and logically analyze facts.

Translation- to someone who is firmly ensconced in a econ 101 classroom and has never had to deal with real life. In real life markets are good at only one thing- the manufacture and distribution of luxuries. Now granted that’s a big thing in modern life, but for anything else free markets are simply horrible, and too often horrifying.
Tlaloc (504b91) — 10/14/2013 @ 2:58 pm
Tlaloc is still lying about Spite House’s illegal closings, I see.

And the “drowning in incompetence” line is especially hilarious given Obama’s demo of utter incompetence this month.
SPQR (768505) — 10/14/2013 @ 2:59 pm
Just why are we engaging TurdLock?

To distract yourself from the clusterfark your defundit campaign caused for your side?
Tlaloc (504b91) — 10/14/2013 @ 2:59 pm
And the “drowning in incompetence” line is especially hilarious given Obama’s demo of utter incompetence this month.

Again both apple and rockstar games had huge openings this month too, and both sucked. That’s life, debuts are often rocky. Wear a cup.
Tlaloc (504b91) — 10/14/2013 @ 3:00 pm
Democrats already broke their agreement on spending cuts from the last deficit ceiling negotiation. Obama’s word is worthless.
SPQR (768505) — 10/14/2013 @ 3:01 pm
We’re not engaging him, we sent him back to his handlers to get his talking points in line. I’d like to hear his rationalization of Obama’s unprecedented closure of OUR national parks and memorials… give him a chance to explain how Barky’s temper tantrum benefitted the American people.
Colonel Haiku (d63e9f) — 10/14/2013 @ 3:02 pm
Tlaloc, Obama’s line about Apple’s server delays in serving a new iOS release were simply utter lies. So its natural for you to repeat them.

Apple’s product worked. Obamacare does not.

Half a billion in development and web infrastructure and Obamacare is a failure.
SPQR (768505) — 10/14/2013 @ 3:03 pm
66. …That’s life, debuts are often rocky. Wear a cup.

Comment by Tlaloc (504b91) — 10/14/2013 @ 3:00 pm

…said the Germans upon invading Russia.

Actually, that debut went well in comparison.
Steve57 (4bf843) — 10/14/2013 @ 3:04 pm
…said the Germans upon invading Russia.

Actually, that debut went well in comparison.

So then why has the program been bec0ming more popular according to the polling? I mean people are getting their first exposure to it and it’s moving the needle in the positive direction. Shouldn’t the oposite be happening if it is realy the disaster you claim?

One of these two things appears to be false. Interestingly enough the idea that it’s been a disaster has been endlessly hyped in the righty media and not really anywhere else. That helps suggest which datum is wrong.
Tlaloc (504b91) — 10/14/2013 @ 3:07 pm
Translation- to someone who is firmly ensconced in a econ 101 classroom and has never had to deal with real life.

In what world have your economic policies and theories succeeded?
JD (948ccb) — 10/14/2013 @ 3:08 pm
Profoundly useless website
Increased premiums
Increased deductibles
Decreased access
Decreased choices

This is a success for falalala
JD (948ccb) — 10/14/2013 @ 3:10 pm
In what world have your economic policies and theories succeeded?

Hint- pure free markets have never existed nor will they. They are purely an artifact of econ theory, never to be sullied by actual real world existence.

To answer your question my theories are practiced by virtually eery nation on earth.
Tlaloc (504b91) — 10/14/2013 @ 3:13 pm
In a world where a Debbie Wasserman Schultz was a test for STDs, wouldn’t a Tlaloc be a birth control device?

Girl to guy in bar: “OK, but only if you we stop at the drug store and get a box of Tlalocs. You will wear your Tlaloc, right?”
Steve57 (4bf843) — 10/14/2013 @ 3:16 pm
LSD-based reality
JD (948ccb) — 10/14/2013 @ 3:16 pm
Thank G-d. The DWS came back negative.

Time to throw another box of Tlalocs in the luggage and head back to Thailand.
Steve57 (4bf843) — 10/14/2013 @ 3:18 pm
“So then why has the program been bec0ming more popular according to the polling?”

Tlaloc – Are you referring to the WSJ/NBC polling which included 20% government workers in its sample?

It is a complete mystery why that outlier poll showed Obamacare being more popular.

Moron.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 10/14/2013 @ 3:21 pm
Tlaloc thinks Venezuela is “virtually every nation on earth”.
SPQR (768505) — 10/14/2013 @ 3:30 pm
Tlaloc – Didn’t you get banned from The Other McCain for worthless trolling about a year ago?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 10/14/2013 @ 3:32 pm
Meanwhile, Democrats are calling for a coup by Obama.

That’s their actual commitment to democracy, if they don’t get their way –> dictatorship.
SPQR (768505) — 10/14/2013 @ 3:50 pm
“…In real life markets are good at only one thing- the manufacture and distribution of luxuries…”

Which explains why people are dying in the streets from hunger and malnutrition, without shelter, clothing, or a newspaper to wrap around themselves to ward off the chill of the night.

Q- Where do we find such imbeciles?
A- On any Liberal Arts campus.
askeptic (b8ab92) — 10/14/2013 @ 3:56 pm
Tlaloc is channeling Hugo Chavez’ ghost for economic expertise.

I’d say we’d wipe Tlaloc’s ass with his theory but that would obviously be a toilet paper substitute.
SPQR (768505) — 10/14/2013 @ 4:08 pm
Meanwhile, Democrats are calling for a coup by Obama.

That’s their actual commitment to democracy, if they don’t get their way –> dictatorship.

I thought for sure they would go with Obama Rescues an America Held Hostage by Domestic Terrorists. After all, isn’t that what the R’s are all about?
Dana (6178d5) — 10/14/2013 @ 4:12 pm
I’m not quite sure that those on the Southpaw side realize what unintended consequences may result from such an action.
It certainly won’t be Peace & Prosperity.
askeptic (b8ab92) — 10/14/2013 @ 4:24 pm
TaLaLoc… c’mon, son… how do you characterize Obama’s fit of pique in closing the nat’l parks and memorials. That was an unprecedented action by a President during a shutdown. I’ll help you… Unprecedented means never before done. Do you think it’s appropriate to punish the people he was elected to serve in this manner?
Colonel Haiku (819c71) — 10/14/2013 @ 4:38 pm
Tlaloc, you silly boy, nobody is required by law to buy any of Apple’s products.
If Apple were to consistently produce poor products, they would go out of business due to market demands.

On the other hand, the government never goes out of business—they have the threat of prison as an incentive to inspire people to acquiesce to their coercion.
Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 10/14/2013 @ 5:28 pm
If Apple rolled out a new product as extraordinarily horribly as ObamaCare was, they would not be in business for long. They can’t force people to invest in their company, like ObamaCare can.
JD (35bf64) — 10/14/2013 @ 5:33 pm
Translation- to someone who is firmly ensconced in a econ 101 classroom and has never had to deal with real life. In real life markets are good at only one thing- the manufacture and distribution of luxuries. Now granted that’s a big thing in modern life, but for anything else free markets are simply horrible, and too often horrifying.

@63 Comment by Tlaloc (504b91) — 10/14/2013 @ 2:58 pm

Not sure what you have against reading, comprehending and logically analyzing Tlalc (there is no need to translate, those terms speak for themselves, you should try them), but it explains a lot. Greatly enjoyed your new straw-man and how you decided it knows nothing of the real world. It just screams projection. You are really good at that. The funny thing is, even after you went to all the trouble to build that straw-man, it beat you up. Your economic assertions are comical, but false.

Since you are not big on books (and I do not blame you, facts are brutal on modern liberalism), I’ll leave you with a thought:

Consider the number one destination for immigrants.
(Hint, it is the same nation that has: “More than 45 million immigrants…” and “according to UN figures, more than four times as many living in any other nation in the world.”)

But then again, what do those silly immigrants know, after all they hardly have “real life” experience and know nothing of economics. Probabaly all 45 million are tea baggers.
Pons Asinorum (8ce71a) — 10/14/2013 @ 7:55 pm
Hostage taking, coup by Obama, …?

I just thought of something kind of funny about hostage taking and President Obama saving the nation…

I would tell the rest of you, but I think the PC police would make a racial deal out of it.

Too bad Cleavon Little isn’t white, then I could get away with it.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 10/14/2013 @ 8:12 pm

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