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10/13/2013

Vets March on Washington, Tear Down Barrycades

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:01 pm



It’s on Twitchy.

Citizens are taking to Washington, D.C., Sunday morning to protest the Spite House’s closing of the nation’s memorials. Twitter users are using #VetMarch and #1MVetMarch to spread the word and to provide on-the-scene reports from the Million Vet March. As Twitchy reported, Sarah Palin is attending the march as well.

She is not alone!

Ted Cruz was there too. Lots of photos at the link.

Thanks to MD in Philly and bobathome.

95 Responses to “Vets March on Washington, Tear Down Barrycades”

  1. Go check out Althouse’s blog. She just doesn’t get it. Veteran’s moving the barricades is “theatre” of “other people’s” things. But she doesn’t seem to see any “theatre” in the original barricading.

    I never really believed her claims of “cruel neutrality.” She is Just Another Statist. Blech.

    Simon Jester (405b86)

  2. i like the pictures but as far as agitprop goes I can’t really do a lot with “vets march on washington cause they really want to visit monuments”

    I mean if you told me it’s all I have to work with then yeah I can work it I guess

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  3. that monument was privately funded, facepalm,

    narciso (3fec35)

  4. And there is a bill that passed tghe House of Representatives that would just put a stop to all this about the national parks – which never happened, I think, in the 1990 or the 1995 shutdowns.

    It would take parks, monuments and museums out of play, not only for this shutdown, but for all subsequent government shutdowns till October 1, 2014.

    Barrycades could not be used in Act II, which is coming maybe as early as November 15.

    The military, and death benefits for combat soldiers and all that are completely out of play now for almost a year.

    Sammy Finkelman (bec8ba)

  5. Check out Althouse’s blog. Blech.

    FIFY, Simon. My view of Frau Professor since Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was in theaters.

    nk (dbc370)

  6. “Maybe we need to get Joe Biden out of the witness protection program,” Meghan’s coward daddy quipped on CBS’s “Face the Nation.”

    I didn’t know we had quips.

    Obama is so screwed.

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  7. the amputee carrying a barricade section on his Segway is iconic, as is the “return to sender” sign hung on the pile of Barry-cades piled in front of the White House.

    the best visual of the day was Marine One taking off, apparently with Ear Leader running away from a crowd of American patriots… it’s almost like he’s afraid.

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  8. She is Just Another Statist.

    I stopped reading her sometime last year.

    Maybe we need to get Joe Biden out of the witness protection program

    I think he’s furloughed.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  9. Even if the monuments were funded by Congress, they remain the property of the People and particularly the People Who Fought.

    No matter what President Chickenhawk says.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  10. I for one am proud of the D.C. police for controlling the disruptive geriatrics with horses and armored guards. Imperial grounds should not be breached by the common riff-raff, deadbeats and anarchists.

    What kind of country would ever object to it’s leadership? It’s almost as if a Bush were President.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  11. Ag80 – I meant to thank you and A&M for Wacha.

    JD (2af3bd)

  12. Aggies always do whatever they can for who they work for, JD. It’s kind of a code. Despite my liberal friends who root for the Cardinals, I’ve always had a soft spot for the team.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  13. The deposit at Dog’s feet should apply a little heat on the House.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  14. Apologies are by and large worthless as anything more than minor courtesies to facilitate social interactions, and this seems to be a case in point.

    nk (dbc370)

  15. Wrong thread. [Mark, you’re right.]

    nk (dbc370)

  16. I never really believed her claims of “cruel neutrality.” She is Just Another Statist. Blech.
    I never thought of her as another statist…just thought that shtick oozed self-importance.

    Dana (6178d5)

  17. Most troubling to me is some of the police showing up at the Veterans march in full riot gear.

    The immigration march last week had even more people and no police were reported in riot gear.

    It would be safe to assume that a great number of those marchers have already broken the law by illegally immigrating, so wouldn’t they pose a greater danger to the public than those Americans who served our country and are distressed over the behavior of the federal government toward them and their families, and all other Americans who fought to keep us free from enemies at home and abroad?

    Dana (6178d5)

  18. The riot gear bothers me too, Dana.

    nk (dbc370)

  19. nk, there’s no lack of irony: prepare to use it on veterans who fought to protect our country rather than those who broke our laws to come to this country…

    That is what makes me very sad about America. There is so little nobility left… in the government. However, it is freely and strongly thriving in our public sector who support our country’s freedoms and monuments, and with our military men and women who serve.

    Dana (6178d5)

  20. Oh good grief. The LAT outdoes itself in turning the story…http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-pn-washington-protest-20131013,0,4553211.story

    Dana (6178d5)

  21. It’s funny, if you know what to expect from the LAT. I liked the way they phrased the guy with the Confederate flag on Pennsylvania Avenue — “waiving a Confederate flag outside the home of a black family ….” Come on, that’s worth a snicker, admit it!

    nk (dbc370)

  22. Well, since one confederate flag means that the protest did not matter, I guess we can assume the Occupy protests didn’t matter because of Che t-shirts or hammer-and-sickle signs.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  23. Well… they didn’t matter. And not because of the Che t-shirts either – they would’ve not mattered regardless.

    Like these!

    Leviticus (6a67b8)

  24. We’re all bearing witness to the silliest mating ritual in the animal kingdom – politician to voter.

    Leviticus (6a67b8)

  25. One goober makes null and void an entire protest? No, not at all.

    What it does do, though, is give the opposition all the ammunition it needs to distract from the real issue at hand. The MSM is always waiting to be spoon fed just one golden opportunity like this and people always seem dumb enough and willing to provide it.

    Dana (6178d5)

  26. God Bless those Patriots.

    mg (31009b)

  27. Ok, Leviticus, I’ll throw one at you. I find a parallel between the removal of the spigots from the park fountains and the “glitch” that shut down the EBT (food stamp) system. A disturbing parallel. What do you think?

    nk (dbc370)

  28. Well… they didn’t matter. And not because of the Che t-shirts either – they would’ve not mattered regardless.

    Really, Leviticus? Knowing your political slant, I don’t know if you’re stretching (just a bit) to feel that way mainly to therefore justify your cavalier (and not terribly big-hearted) attitude about members of the public currently being cynically banned from entering parks and memorials.

    Mark (58ea35)

  29. Leviticus likes cheap thugs in office.

    SPQR (768505)

  30. Hey, he’s Leviticus … so he thinks that what the Administration is doing is kosher …

    Alastor (2e7f9f)

  31. 29.Ok, Leviticus, I’ll throw one at you. I find a parallel between the removal of the spigots from the park fountains and the “glitch” that shut down the EBT (food stamp) system. A disturbing parallel. What do you think?

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 10/13/2013 @ 9:50 pm

    Leviticus: ….crickets

    =============
    No response as expected. I have no doubt in my mind that the “coincidence” of a failure in the EBT system was done on purpose to increase the “pain and suffering” and in this case on those who are O’s natural supporters. No doubt they will be trying to gin up anger from EBT card holders. Just more Democrat Theater.

    Bill M (c8f413)

  32. If I had to bet, the guy with the Confederate flag will turn out to be a plant. Of course, the Times’ notice will have moved on.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  33. Can we put social security on EBT cards?

    Just a thought…

    EPWJ (6140f6)

  34. He was wearing a ‘squirrel’ pelt

    narciso (3fec35)

  35. I may be wrong, but I think the Confederate flag means different things to different people. I think one thing it means is simply opposition to the status quo in Washington.
    But if one stops to realize that it means other than that to many people questions the wisdom of it.

    Sort of like Joan Baez making it big with The Night They drove Old Dixie Down . I don’t think she or anyone thought of it as a pro-slavery song, but it was an anti-Washington song.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  36. MD, optics matter. History matters. To the majority of Americans, the Confederate flag is a negative. And, with a media hungry to spin, this is all the LAT needed to make this about the nutty rightwing.

    I submit that the person carrying the flag was indeed either a plant (as suggested above)or a completely self-absorbed whack job. What he was not about was the symbolic message at large of the protest.

    Dana (6178d5)

  37. The Confederate flag is a symbol of racism and the service was segregated during WWII and so the whole lot of them are probably raciss. Greatest Generation? Racisest Generation, more like it.

    //LAT Off

    Pious Agnostic (c45233)

  38. “Leviticus: ….crickets.”

    – Bill M.

    Sorry! Sorry! I went to bed. I admire your stamina, Bill.

    nk: I don’t see the link between your comment and mine. I’m probably missing something.

    Leviticus (c4ea61)

  39. New day, Leviticus. Forget it.

    nk (dbc370)

  40. “Knowing your political slant, I don’t know if you’re stretching (just a bit) to feel that way mainly to therefore justify your cavalier (and not terribly big-hearted) attitude about members of the public currently being cynically banned from entering parks and memorials.”

    – Mark

    I only care what Rupert Everett thinks. Are you familiar with the writings of Rupert Everett?

    Leviticus (c4ea61)

  41. Dana,

    I think the South’s relationship with the Confederate flag is complex and doesn’t mean to them what it means to people in other parts of the country.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  42. “New day, Leviticus. Forget it.”

    – nk

    Alright.

    Leviticus (c4ea61)

  43. I agree with Leviticus that protests don’t seem to matter in the long run, but they may energize groups and create ripples that can make a difference. The Occupy protests seemed to energize liberal voters and activists. These vet marches may energize Tea Party groups and conservative politicians.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  44. I know that, DRJ, however, it doesn’t really matter in a situation such as the protest – the optics are bad and make the protestors sitting ducks for a media hungry to spin. It’s not fair, nor is it honest, but it is what we face. I wish others had called him out and asked him to roll it up or put it away.

    Ask yourself how did his display of a very controversial symbol help the cause of the vets? Or, did he give red meat to the media?

    Dana (6178d5)

  45. Agent provocateur, one in every bunch. And not necessarily a plant, just somebody looking to stir up trouble for trouble’s sake. Hmm ….

    nk (dbc370)

  46. DRJ

    I wonder if some protests can make a difference, in Florida, Republican white collar workers heard the shenanigans on the radio on the had counting and stormed the office in Dad and put an end to Gore’s attempts to steal an election.

    There was an epic march on Washington by World War One Vets and the US Army had to put it down, and gave birth to the modern post Lincoln GOP, which despite decades of history rewriting, almost upset Roosevelt and led to the laying down of 10 aircraft carriers and Battleships in 1936, and 37 and the development money for the weapons that won WWII.

    Those were Republican leading legislatures, swept into power after Roosevelt overreached with tear gas and rubber bullets

    I think this matters very much

    EPWJ (6140f6)

  47. I only care what Rupert Everett thinks.

    Well, that’s good, Leviticus. I’m glad you’re coming around to the bright glare of reality.

    I agree with Leviticus that protests don’t seem to matter in the long run

    But I have a hunch that isn’t the main (or sole) reason he feels rather glib about the spectacle of military veterans protesting the idiotic, contrived closure of national monuments.

    Mark (58ea35)

  48. Solidarnoc.

    nk (dbc370)

  49. DRJ’s link is what I was talking about as well. And yes, the appearance can certainly be made to look bad, but out of all of the people that showed up I’m not sure he had to be a plant.

    Maybe protests don’t always accomplish much, but sitting home and being a sheeple accomplishes even less.
    Especially in something like this that was a specific response to a specific abuse- taking the wrongfully placed Barry-cades back to the sender at the Spite House.

    It would be easy to say, “Look at all the white people, they must be racist!!”, since 90%+ approve of Obama, let alone would be interested in being involved in a protest against him.

    At the end of the day ya gotta do what you think was right, be willing to learn from mistakes, and prepare for the next day.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  50. Agent provocateur

    Yes, that’s it. And very likely we will find out he is just like the doctor in the white coat at the WH Obamacare presser… I can’t remember her name, but Patterico blogged about her.

    No matter, only we will care. The damage is done.

    Dana (6178d5)

  51. Young wannabe litigator is controlled by liberal Robot Overlords, cut him some slack, he’s naive.

    Colonel Haiku (1011ad)

  52. Someone has suggested calling them Barrackcades.

    Gerald A (130406)

  53. I mean Barackcades.

    Gerald A (130406)

  54. chad and the office in Dade county

    EPWJ (6140f6)

  55. Dana,

    I’m tired of everyone having to conform to a liberal code of conduct. If he wants his flag, then let him have it.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  56. I don’t know how much damage was done. I think those willing to condemn the gathering because of 1 lone Confederate battle flag would have condemned them anyway.

    People hear what they want to hear, that way one never has to think or consider that they were wrong about something and need to change their way of thinking (and as Calvin said, “Change means work so phooey on that!”).

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  57. Whether or not he should have his flag is not what I am concerned with. Of course he has every right to carry it, and, he may be the proudest American around. I am simply saying none of that matters in how it plays to the public after the media lasers in on it. Which of course they will.

    Until an unquestioning passive public wakes up, or the media is recaptured by a more middle-of-the-road objective approach, it is the playing field we are all thrust upon.

    Dana (6178d5)

  58. 48. Comment by EPWJ (6140f6) — 10/14/2013 @ 7:42 am

    I wonder if some protests can make a difference,

    They made the CBS Morning Nes this morning. I don’t know how much difference they make, but Obama may not realize, but they may be insiduously undermining people’s belief that Barack Obama is does what he thinks is the right thing.

    These “Barry-cades” are entirely his fault in two ways. First, that the shitdown does not call for this, and second what may be getting lost, is that the House of Representatives passed a bill taking parks, monuments and museums out of play for the rest of the fiscal year.

    You could feel that the Republicans are entirely at fault for creating the shutdown, and still you can feel that President Obama is playing politics and doing the wrong thing: instead of trying to mitigate the effects of the shutdown, he’s trying to make things worse, especially when it comes to non life and death matters.

    And have we ever had a president do something like this? A mayor? A Governor?

    The pretence that all of this is caused by the shutdown is going to work less and less.

    He could be 100% right in the substaintial dispute about the budget, and people will still think this is a form of malfeasance of duty.

    There was an epic march on Washington by World War One Vets and the US Army had to put it down,

    There was also a march in 1894, and there was going to be one in 1914, but the start of World War I ended the depression in the United States.
    There was another one averted in 1943 I think

    and gave birth to the modern post Lincoln GOP, which despite decades of history rewriting, almost upset Roosevelt and led to the laying down of 10 aircraft carriers and Battleships in 1936, and 37 and the development money for the weapons that won WWII.

    Those were Republican leading legislatures, swept into power after Roosevelt overreached with tear gas and rubber bullets

    I think this matters very much

    Sammy Finkelman (bec8ba)

  59. I agree, Dana, that it is something to consider, and my personal opinion would be to not bring it thinking it would cause more trouble than it is worth,
    but then again, I’m inclined to think that those who take offense would generally have found something else to take offense at.

    I think we’re more or less just on different sides of the half-empty/half-full kind of divide.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  60. Examples of media spin and focus and distracting from the heart of the issue:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/10/13/CNN-derides-million-vet-march

    The rally, billed as the “Million Vet March on the Memorials,” drew far fewer than a million people and evolved into a protest that resembled familiar tea party events from 2009, with yellow “Don’t Tread On Me” flags throughout the crowd and strong anti-Obama language from the podium and the audience. One speaker went as far as saying the president was a Muslim and separately urged the crowd of hundreds to initiate a peaceful uprising.

    CNN focused on one speaker, Larry Klayman, whom it quoted as stating, “I call upon all of you to wage a second American nonviolent revolution, to use civil disobedience, and to demand that this president leave town, to get up, to put the Quran down, to get up off his knees, and to figuratively come out with his hands up.”

    CNN then featured the fringiest elements of the protest it could find:

    Anti-Obama sentiments echoed throughout the crowd Sunday, with one protester yelling out “punk” to describe the president and one speaker saying Obama is not the president of “the” people but “his” people. Multiple signs read “Impeach Obama.” At least one vulgar sign could be seen, which was directed more toward Republicans. It read “You can’t be a conservative and a p**sy too.”

    Dana (6178d5)

  61. Sorerey accdetally hit enter or somethig.

    The 1943 one was for Civil Rights – efair employment inwar industriesd

    There was no reublican revival in the 1930s, and wasn’t Hoover president when Gen Douglas MacArthur swept away the bionus army in 1932?

    There was an issue about a bonus supposedly being promised. It’s one of the things that ed to Social Security.

    Sammy Finkelman (bec8ba)

  62. “Maybe we need to get Joe Biden out of the witness protection program,” Meghan’s coward daddy quipped on CBS’s “Face the Nation.”
    — It’s more like the witless protection program.

    I think he’s furloughed.
    — Since when is the court jester non-essential personnel?
    Ya gotta be able to laugh once in awhile, people!

    I think he’s furloughed.
    — Joe’s been working the children’s party circuit. He blows up balloon animals, and then rubs them on his hair plugs and sticks them to walls and stuff.

    I think he’s furloughed.
    — Joe’s been out getting in some quality time with his shotgun. His targets are the Constitution and Catholic Doctrine.

    Icy (8d5b66)

  63. Dana, your example works both ways. Yes, the media will spin it, so why give them more stuff to spin with?
    but also
    Yes, the media will spin it, and even if they don’t have much to go on, they will spin anyway and make stuff up if they have too.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  64. Dana,

    The media will always find something objectionable about the Tea Party or conservatives. You can worry about it but I’m not. I’m through worrying about what they think.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  65. New Mexiwhelp hath mastered the Officer Barbrady response to protest actions.

    Icy (8d5b66)

  66. We let liberals set the terms of the debate when we worry about one guy’s flag. Liberals didn’t care when one guy defactaed on a police car at the Occupy protest, and that’s much worse than a flag. It’s time for us to wise up and stop trying to please everyone, like a little child trying to please his parents.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  67. I am not worrying about it at all. Rather, I am attempting to objectively think about an issue that seems to consistently hurt the conservative side. And that is people being foolish and squandering golden opportunities to make valid and salient statements to an administration who has media in their back pocket, as well as to a public who may be watching to see what it’s all about and ends up getting yet another vicious spin treatment from every major media outlet. You may think it’s worrying but I see it as attempting to figure out how to use what tools we have on hand to prevent such an outcome and it would seem self-restraint and awareness of optics is the easiest go-to.

    I understand there is disagreement and that is fine, but please don’t write it off as simply worrying.

    Anyway, enough from me. The day is waiting…

    Dana (6178d5)

  68. Not only that, DRJ, the guy took a dump on that car!

    Colonel Haiku (146aeb)

  69. Just good ol’ boys,
    Wouldn’t change if they could,
    Fightin’ the system like a true modern day Robin Hood.

    — That’s what I thought the stars and bars represented, these days.
    But now I’m not so sure.
    Waylon also asked me once, “Are you ready for the country?”
    Sadly, I wasn’t ready.

    Icy (8d5b66)

  70. Were these guys there? http://i.imgur.com/4EvirGG.jpg

    nk (dbc370)

  71. Everybody is entitled to their view of what the Confederate flag represents and everybody is entitled to their sense of humor, too.

    nk (dbc370)

  72. We cannot play their game. It is rigged.

    JD (5c1832)

  73. It is instructive how they turned a blind eye to Occupy rapes, assaults, pooping on cop cars, and generally destroying public property, as opposed to how they treat Vets and Tea Partiers. It is a rigged game.

    JD (5c1832)

  74. ==It is a rigged game.==

    Yes. Better for the lapdog media to focus on a single individual displaying his 1st amendment rights with a negative symbol than to cover and discuss the failure and broken promises that is Obamacare and its negative impact on millions of people.

    elissa (ad9aa3)

  75. Media is a disease-ridden, flea-bitten, mangy, yellow custard eye-dripping lapdog.

    Colonel Haiku (8cb0f3)

  76. Local ABC tv news ran straight story this am that mentioned that Democrats had introduced demand to eliminate sequester limits.

    SPQR (768505)

  77. Sequester is settled law, how dare they try to change it?!

    JD (5c1832)

  78. “Young wannabe litigator is controlled by liberal Robot Overlords, cut him some slack, he’s naive.”

    – Colonel Haiku

    I’m so glad that phrase stuck with you.

    Leviticus (9c986d)

  79. Sammy

    don’t believe everything google tells you, If I wanted the revisionist history I would have asked for it

    It was the strong republicans with their southern democrat allies that forced FDR to start a massive weapons plan unlike the world had ever seen that ended the depression much more effectively than all the “deal” which today we call “stimulus” that were passed by the communist and their liberal democrat allies…

    But go ahead and google some silly crap some more..

    EPWJ (6140f6)

  80. Colonel Haiku, they should put barrycades around New Mexico…you know, to keep people from getting in out.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  81. “Colonel Haiku, they should put barrycades around New Mexico…you know, to keep people from getting in out.”

    – Elephant Stone

    I’d be fine with that.

    Leviticus (6a67b8)

  82. With or without the strikethrough.

    Leviticus (6a67b8)

  83. 29. @removal of the spigots from the park fountains.

    Steve57 reported that (he had read) they do this every year to winterize them.

    If true, that still begs the question if whether or not that makes sense and whether early October is too early to do this.

    There are some recommendations as tp how to do this. They say shut off the water and leave the fixture alone.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBbuaG1hnko

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mayh0IF_sX0

    http://www.homeenergyresourcemn.org/basic_care/section_detail.aspx?itemID=2956&catID=759&SelectCatID=759&cat_1=751&cat_2=759

    http://www.greatfallsmt.net/publicworks/how-winterize-your-water-fixtures

    The National Parks Service probably removes the spigots because they don’t trust people not to put back on the water. And they won’t take any chance that there could be an early freeze.

    Sammy Finkelman (08bb6f)

  84. Sammy

    Gvot employees have a SOP that they always follow – its about the only thing they can be disciplined for if they deviate from it.

    Park closures and winterization are ordered by the national hq right next to the White House

    EPWJ (6140f6)

  85. I dream of a day when Democrats and Liberals are as annoyed, embarrassed and agitated by the Communist iconography that appears at their gatherings as Republicans and Conservatives are by the rare Confederate flags that wave on the fringes of theirs.

    Pious Agnostic (c45233)

  86. #86… Indeed, sir!!!!!

    Colonel Haiku (207b84)

  87. I suspect the Confederate flag may have been a ‘plant’ by a liberal pretending to be part of the protest.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  88. No need to put fences up, Stones, the shock collars have worked so far…

    Colonel Haiku (207b84)

  89. I don’t want barricades around New Mexico. It’s a great state.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  90. 62. Larry Klayman??!!

    A founder of Judicial Watch, he seems to find a lot of less serious (white collar) scandals. They are real. A lot of what he says, or has said in the past, is true. But he never gets anywhere.

    Maybe other things he says make people think that where he’s right, he’s wrong.

    Sammy Finkelman (08bb6f)

  91. DRJ,

    The New Mexico thing is an inside joke that Colonel and I occasionally make cracks about—no need to become alarmed.
    You will still be allowed to continue to visit Nueva Mexico in the future, as long as you have a note from Barry O…and a threshold for wearing shock collars !

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  92. 81. Comment by EPWJ (6140f6) — 10/14/2013 @ 9:47 am

    81.Sammy

    don’t believe everything google tells you,

    I didn’t get that from Google. It’s just strange to me.

    It was the strong republicans with their southern democrat allies that forced FDR to start a massive weapons plan unlike the world had ever seen that ended the depression much more effectively than all the “deal” which today we call “stimulus” that were passed by the communist and their liberal democrat allies…

    First of all, didn’t that really kick in around the year 1940?

    And if you say a military buildup ended the depression, what you are saying is that massive government spending did that.

    Doesn’t everybody who uses that argument understand it’s saying – that it is in total agreement with Paul Krugman that the stimulus wasn’t big enough??

    Now actually I don’t think that is what the case was. The depression was over by 1936, but then tightening money brought the economy down again, creating a need for a new word to describe it since they didn’t want to use “depression” which is what economic downturns used to be called, so they coined the word “recession”

    So we can refer now to the Depression, whereas originally it was the “Great Depression”

    Anyway:

    It was saying 1936, that sounded wrong to me:

    almost upset Roosevelt

    In the 1940 Presidential election. Maybe it asn’t so close, but Wendell Wilkie did a whole lot better than Alf Landon in 1936. But he wasn’t really a Republican. He had gotten into a fight over the TVA.

    and led to the laying down of 10 aircraft carriers and Battleships in 1936, and 37 and the development money for the weapons that won WWII.

    OK. Now maybe actually the military buildup – for vessels, not people – started in the mid-1930s. This is not a story we get told. We get told about Britain not re-arming till very late, maybe 1938, and Winston Churchill warning.

    Those were Republican leading legislatures,

    Do you mean legislators? (members of Congress)

    swept into power after Roosevelt overreached with tear gas and rubber bullets

    Didn’t the Democrats lose seats only in 1938, and because of the 1937 court packing scheme?

    Paul Krugman talks about the alliance of Southern Democrats and Republicans in his column today.

    He wants to see the same thing today (not that he approved of the policies then) Moderate – no he says, d you can’t call them moderate – make that non-extremist Republicans and the Democrats.

    Meaning that the chamber should be nominally under Republican control but really have a different working majority.

    Of course this ignores the total dishonesty of the Democrats, caused by centralized control created by the current method of campaign financing.

    Sammy Finkelman (67f658)

  93. nk-
    The picture was funny. Just in time for Halloween.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)


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