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7/16/2013

Stevie Wonder: I’m Boycotting Florida — And All the Stand Your Ground States!

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:54 pm

Let us know how that works out for you:

Florida fans of Stevie Wonder who want to see the legend sing are going to have to go on a road trip for the near future. During a performance in Quebec City, Canada, on Sunday, the Grammy-winning performer spoke out about the recent acquittal of George Zimmerman and announced he would boycott the state.

“I decided today that until the ‘Stand Your Ground’ law is abolished in Florida, I will never perform there again,” he told the audience. “As a matter of fact, wherever I find that law exists, I will not perform in that state or in that part of the world.”

Like Florida, California has no duty to retreat, and I believe many other states follow suit, although I have seen varying numbers. This NPR article says it’s “21 plus.” Leave more accurate links in the comments.

I have a feeling his principles are going to evaporate, or there will be some parsing (“That’s not really a stand your ground state!”), once old Stevie realizes how many places he has taken off of his schedule.

As for me, I’m going to boycott blind singers.

124 Responses to “Stevie Wonder: I’m Boycotting Florida — And All the Stand Your Ground States!”

  1. That’s a lot of states! Stevie is going to be homebound.

    Some states also have the law through judicial interpretation, I guess, like CA.

    http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-law-basics/states-that-have-stand-your-ground-laws.html

    Patricia (be0117)

  2. I’m not going to say all of his fans are “old” but I will say most of them have retired to Florida….bad move Stevie.

    Pamela (17a6bb)

  3. Well, isn’t that lovely? Not even for once in his life? Could he at least just call to say I love you. I don’t think he really knows what stand your ground laws are all about. Maybe he should ask Alfie.

    nk (875f57)

  4. So, Stevie Wonder won’t play in states that have a law that says you don’t have to run away if someone attacks you?

    I’m having a problem with how such laws are racist. Although I’m sure they are because everyone tells me so.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  5. we should change all the laws to how Stevie Wonder likes them

    chop chop people Stevie Wonder is NOT impressed

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  6. Nice riff there, nk.

    I’m guessing Stevie Wonder doesn’t realize that “Stand Your Ground” wasn’t a factor in the Zimmerman case.

    Chuck Bartowski (8dd23e)

  7. The gentleman from Legal Insurrdction suggested that here were approximately 33 states with SYG, or functional equivalents, including CA.

    JD (28a7b9)

  8. Mother Jones says there are 25 Stand Your Ground states, and counting. Follow the link to a map of all the states where Stevie Wonder won’t be performing.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  9. The Mother Jones’ link doesn’t include California, so that may be 26 states or more.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  10. I’ll go with 33.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  11. Talk about a Tuesday heartbreak… the black vote is signed, sealed delivered to the whacked-out Dems anyway. Don’t you worry ’bout a thing. Let’s take the higher ground.

    Besides, both Jeff Beck and Keith Richards say he’s a conniving c***… I’ll take their word for it.

    Colonel Haiku (5c7e24)

  12. He should refuse to sign any contracts with California based entertainment companies.

    But lets not laugh too loud, lest California’s communist government change the law.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  13. Thanks, Chuck. Just some titles off the top of my head — pretty little ones that I adore.

    nk (875f57)

  14. Boycotts are a respectable and civilized way of expressing disapproval. That includes Patterico’s.

    Leviticus (2c236c)

  15. He’ll be just like that idiot George Lopez who boycotted AZ over SB 1070. The played a concert about a year later stating he didn’t want to let his fans down. As a genuinely funny man, Groucho Marx, once said, “Those are my principles. If you don’t like them…I have others.”

    Gazzer (68c295)

  16. I think this is embargo and not boycott. Or is that old school thinking?

    nk (875f57)

  17. Isn’t this more a reverse boycott of himself and his own revenue stream than a boycott boycott?

    elissa (683e29)

  18. A real boycott would mean Stevie Wonder will not perform in any of those states or visit them. So no more vacations or visiting friends in a Stand-Your-Ground state, and no more layovers in a Stand-Your-Ground state airport while traveling.

    This could be difficult. My guess is the boycott won’t be that extensive or long-lived.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  19. I’m all for boycotts.

    First, they are painless. Second they don’t work. Third, Hi Opal. And fourth, it reduces the lines at whatever chain restaurant or box store that the left is mad at this week. Well, not really on the fourth, but boycott away everybody.

    I’ve been boycotting voting for Dems for years now, but it doesn’t seem to work.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  20. I think we’re on the same track nk. I did not see your embargo comment when I submitted mine.

    elissa (683e29)

  21. elissa, we can work it out. That’s what friends are for.

    nk (875f57)

  22. i didn’t buy nuffin from Florida the whole day

    SOCIAL JUSTICE HELLS YEAH

    yup I did that

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  23. i might do it again tomorrow too

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  24. I boycotted all pork products from Israel.

    Yes, I did that.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  25. Ah pikachu, they have Stand your Ground in California, go for the tres leches,

    narciso (3fec35)

  26. My guess is the boycott won’t be that extensive or long-lived.

    My guess is that this statement was just for PR, and there won’t be any real boycott at all. He probably doesn’t have any appearance scheduled in Florida for the next 6 months anyway, so it will look like he’s boycotting.

    It’s about as meaningful as me saying I’m boycotting cauliflower.

    Chuck Bartowski (8dd23e)

  27. Stevie who?

    I’ve been boycotting blind singers since Ray Charles died.

    I’m constantly amazed at has-beens who think they have some sort of moral authority. If I lived in a state that didn’t have a stand your ground law I’d lobby my legislature to pass one just to keep this loser out.

    Toni Braxton said the Zimmerman verdict made her embarrassed to be an American.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/15/toni-braxton-zimmerman-verdict-i-am-embarrassed-be/

    That makes me proud to be an American who has never bought a dime’s worth of Toni Braxton music or merchandise.

    My reaction is to the backlash-of-the-stars is that it’s the gift that keeps on giving.

    I’ll offer this one with no further comment than it’s like hearing Alec Baldwin is going to move to France if GWB wins.

    You’re like, “Score!”

    But it never happens, dammit.

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/490810/20130716/trayvon-martin-murder-akon-suggests-black-people.htm

    Trayvon Martin Killing: Akon Tells Black People to Move to Africa

    R’n’B star tells African-American fans that George Zimmerman’s acquittal proves US is not their country.

    Steve57 (15e538)

  28. tres leches got pushed to next week

    I’m still very excited though

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  29. Neil Diamond just butchered his own signature song at the All-Star game. He’s the one who should be boycotted.

    elissa (683e29)

  30. Democratic governors who signed “stand your ground” bills, or otherwise permitted them to become law, include Kathleen Blanco of Louisiana, Jennifer Granholm of Michigan, Brian Schweitzer of Montana, John Lynch of New Hampshire, Brad Henry of Oklahoma, Phil Bredesen of Tennessee, Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Janet Napolitano of Arizona – now the U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security.
    The bills in Louisiana and West Virginia passed with Democratic control of both houses in the states’ legislatures, in 2006 and 2008, respectively.

    – Also, some bonus idiocy:
    Former Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm now hosts “The War Room” on Current TV. During her March 29, 2012 show, Granholm broadcast three separate segments blaming Republicans for what she described as “the type of [gun] laws that permit George Zimmerman to walk free today.” Responding to a guest who described “stand your ground” as “a bad law … just a bad law” Granholm responded, “Of course.”
    Granholm signed Michigan’s “stand your ground” bill into law in 2006.

    Icy65 (f16d87)

  31. I’m boycotting the All-Star game for the people.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  32. By the way Mayor Giuliani and Gov. Chritie are there. I’d say there’s noticeably less of Gov. Christie than there was a few months ago.

    elissa (683e29)

  33. It would be nice if Michael Moore promised to move somewhere, but I’m not holding my breath.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  34. If he just moved away from the fridge it would be a start.

    Gazzer (68c295)

  35. It’s just that he is superstitious, nk.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  36. 32.It would be nice if Michael Moore promised to move somewhere, but I’m not holding my breath.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/16/2013 @ 7:58 pm

    Since real estate prices are so low he was thinking of buying his own Greek island and moving there until Rep. Hank Johnson (Dementia-Georgia) told him he would just tip it over.

    Steve57 (15e538)

  37. I heard KABC radio at 8 pm reporting on Eric Holder’s speech on the stand-your-ground laws.

    The idiot news reader said that stand-your-ground laws played a big part in the Zimmerman trial.

    This is total BS. It played no part.

    Someone recently said that the repeal of these laws would ironically put more black men in prison.

    AZ Bob (c11d35)

  38. is he going to boycott chicago? becuase that city is the leading cause of death for young black men.

    rumcrook™ (4a9bee)

  39. I am old enough to remember a time in the late 1970′s when Stevie Wonder said — to great public fanfare for a couple of days — that he was going to give up the music business and teach children in Africa. I put this in the same category.

    Tragic Christian (c840e1)

  40. Re: #31… May be more svelte, Elissa, but Christie’s ego is still ginormous and he’s a giant pita.

    Colonel Haiku (fb49f6)

  41. he’s a pork whore

    an uncouth pork whore

    an uncouth pork whore who knee-capped Romney for so Food Stamp could win

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  42. But I never thought he’d leave in summer, MD.

    nk (875f57)

  43. They say that people who are missing one of the 5 major senses (or make that 6) offset that by being far more highly attuned in another area of human perception. But in Wonder’s case, his common sense remains as shriveled up as anyone else’s in the world of garden-variety Hollywood liberalism.

    Mark (98b17a)

  44. It would be nice if Michael Moore promised to move somewhere, but I’m not holding my breath.

    You would if you were standing nearer to him.

    Chuck Bartowski (8dd23e)

  45. Here is the depth of Stevland Morris’s thinking on this issue:
    He successfully — he will tell you — boycotted my home state of Arizona back when we were one of the last holdout states on recognizing the federal MLK holiday; and now, he believes that repeating the exact same tactic will achieve similar results.

    Okay, he can’t possibly believe that; but, he probably IS hoping that other entertainers will emulate his example.

    Icy65 (45fe76)

  46. Stevie Wonder not performing in Florida? Lucky Floridians! He’d be doing them a favor! Ha!

    Althor (8ab126)

  47. I’m over the whole zimmerman thing I think

    starting …

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  48. NOW

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  49. So, are they putting all those “Welcome to [State]” signs in Braille, now?

    Estragon (19fa04)

  50. Whoops, Nevada is one of the states that Stevie is going to boycott. There goes that lucrative oldies gig at one of the casino showrooms. Elton John supposedly makes three million dollars per week when he performs at Caesars Palace.

    JVW (23867e)

  51. Wonder is making blind people mad.

    mg (31009b)

  52. I ain’t a gonna play a sun city a

    pdbuttons (caf6d6)

  53. McClatchy did an awful story some months ago which had a map that said that California, Washington, and Oregon had no duty to retreat. Wow. I sent them a note, which they ignored.

    Anyway, I’m going to negligently accept the Mother Jones map cited above:

    http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/stand-ground-map-5.png

    It might not be valid. But I’ll look up the other 21 states.

    1. California. (I know this one; too lazy to cite, but if you didn’t start it, you don’t have to retreat. For duty-to-retreat states, most don’t require it in the home.)

    2. Pennsylvania: Duty to retreat, if retreat can be done with “complete” safety. Commonwealth v. Buksa 655 A2d 576.

    3. Colorado: No duty to retreat. People v. Garcia (28 P.3d 340)

    4. Wyoming: Duty to retreat, mostly. If you can figure out the rule from Garcia v. State 667 P.2d 1178, you’re a better person than I am. Mendoza v. State, 2013 WY 55, is pretty clear, though, that there is usually a duty to retreat.

    5. New Mexico. No duty to retreat. State v. Chacon, 603 P.2d 320.

    6. North Dakota: Duty to retreat. State v. Leidholm, 334 NW 2d 811.

    7. Nebraska: No duty to retreat. (Phrased as: Duty to retreat if not the initial aggressor, but not otherwise in State v. White 819 NW 2d 473; 2012 case which made new law in that state.)

    8. Missouri: Duty to retreat, except in defending the home: State v. Johnson, 54 SW 3d 598.

    9. Arkansas: Duty to retreat. Ark. Code Ann. § 5-2-607(a)(1)-(3).

    10. Wisconsin: No duty to retreat (once again, unless defendant starts the confrontation.) The state court abrogated the common law rule in 1909: Miller v. State 139 Wis 57.

    11. Ohio: Hates self-defense. Duty to retreat. Proof rules make self-defense much harder. State v. Robbins, 58 Ohio St. 74.

    12. Virginia: No duty to retreat. Foote v. Commonwealth, 396 SE 2d 851.

    13. Maryland: Duty to retreat. Wilson v. State, Ct of Special Appeals 0497, September 2009.

    14. Delaware, Duty to retreat, probably. 1955 case Quillen v. State 110 A.2d 445 says so, but I am not totally confident there are no later countervailing cases. Looking up Delaware cases gets way too many corporate cases even on this kind of search.

    15. New Jersey: Duty to retreat. State v. Blanks,
    712 A.2d 698.

    16. Connecticut: Duty to retreat. General Statutes (Rev. to 2001) § 53a-19(b)

    17. Rhode Island: Duty to retreat. State v. Rieger 763 A.2d 997.

    18. New York: Duty to retreat. People v. Fermin, 828 NYS 2d 546.

    19. New Hampshire: Duty to retreat(!). RSA 627:4, III.

    20. Hawaii: Duty to retreat. State v. Nupieset 977 P. 2d 183.

    21. Maine: Duty to retreat. State v. Pabon, 28 A.3d 147.

    Assuming that the Mother Jones map is right, 25 of the other states have no duty to retreat by statute, and four states are considering statutes to make that rule; let’s assume those four are duty to retreat states. If so, that’s 19 states with a duty to retreat.

    Admittedly, finding this out was impossible for any media organization ever, because you would have to have Google. (OK, Google Scholar. Which is awesome for this sort of thing, and if you’re a prosecutor reading this and you need to determine out of state priorability for other-state crimes, it is muy bueno.)

    –JRM

    JRM (cd0a37)

  54. Another Dixie Chicks moment, savor it.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  55. Florida has had a stand-your-ground law since 2005.
    How many shows has Stevie Wonder performed in Florida during the past 8 years?

    Icy (45fe76)

  56. My cat likes blind people spillover

    pdbuttons (caf6d6)

  57. Another Dixie Chicks moment, savor it.

    Yeah, except that the Dixie Chicks got into their kerfuffle right at the height of their popularity while good ol’ Stevie hasn’t had a good studio album since Hotter Than July came out 33 years ago!

    JVW (23867e)

  58. He was afraid everyone had forgot about him….
    who were we talking about anyway?

    askeptic (2bb434)

  59. Why did Steve wonder cross the road. Cuz he was told he thought he was in florida

    pdbuttons (caf6d6)

  60. Looks like he just played the Hard Rock in Hollywood, Florida on May 21st. So . . . pre-verdict he had NO problem with the stand-your-ground law that played no part in the verdict anyway?

    Icy (190e12)

  61. Sheitttt, as we used to say in Texas. I remember hearing many years ago, that Stevie hated him some black folk when he was little, until his momma told him he was black too.

    Yoda (127915)

  62. Pont, may I call you Pont?

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/16/police-shooting-in-arkansas-sparks-protests/?test=latestnews

    Even when suspect armed is, protest they still do!

    peedoffamerican (35b482)

  63. For starters, Stevie can well afford to ban playing anywhere for the rest of his life…he’s got it ($) “like that!” But the mere fact that he’s a made man, one who doesn’t have to say a word about such laws the seemingly have a negative, or should I say deadly outcome, for primarily black males, I for one support Stevie’s position and hope other artists, black and white, do the same.

    If nothing else, America will come to realize that blacks will no longer spend their money in states and with corporations who support and uphold these laws. Dare not say “who cares?,” until you realize the economic impact minorities have on the US economy. Try $1 tah, tah, tah, tah, trillion dollars in spending power. Close the minority pocket books, so goes the US economy. Don’t believe it? Google “African-American spending power.”

    Quinn (48b069)

  64. And the ‘corporations that support and uphold’ stand-your-ground laws are WHO?

    Icy (faba7f)

  65. Rolling Stone and the people making decisions at the rag should be transferred to a dumpster, for life.
    Kill the Press.

    mg (31009b)

  66. There are no words, for that journalistic whitewash,
    but then again they were a party to the purging of McCrystal.

    narciso (3fec35)

  67. Our esteemed host wrote:

    As for me, I’m going to boycott blind singers.

    Hey, I didn’t say that!

    José Feliciano (3e4784)

  68. Patterico wrote:

    As for me, I’m going to boycott blind singers.

    Well, if that’s the way you feel, you can just hit the road, Jack!

    Ray Charles (3e4784)

  69. I wonder it there is software for the blind that reads out loud what is on a webpage.
    I mean, if Stevie can’t access the info at places like PP and other purveyors of truth, how is he to know better?

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  70. In other news: Stevie Wonder is announcing his retirement.

    Pious Agnostic (c45233)

  71. Close the minority pocket books, so goes the US economy. Don’t believe it? Google “African-American spending power.”

    There are so many nasty things I could say about that, but I do not want to insult the black people who work to pay for their own food, and their own clothes, and their own housing, and their own cell phones. I’ll just say, that black people are part of the economy whether they like it or not becuase they still have to eat and wear clothes and live somewhere and travel and their kids will want toys and music and go to the movies and amusement parks. They already are not hockey fans and Justin Bieber will not be affected — maybe the NBA and the rap racket will be.

    nk (875f57)

  72. No, don’t boycott Jose Feliciano. It would truly be your loss. (And I think you’ll like this song for other reasons too, Dana.)

    nk (875f57)

  73. Most boycotts have all the moral authority of the Nazi’s boycotts of Jewish businesses.

    ErisGuy (76f8a7)

  74. He was a cute kid, Little Stevie Wonder, way back in the days of black and white TV, but as he got older and started wearing his hair in cornrows (I think they’re called) with beads dangling from the ends he looked silly and sounded the same no matter what song he was singing.

    He matured and he wasn’t a cute kid anymore, he got ugly and his music was repetitious, unimaginative, and uninteresting. I can’t remember hearing anything worth listening to from him since his voice changed. But, then, I’ve moved on too.

    ropelight (ac0d4d)

  75. That’s like Rob Schneider stating that he won’t work with Mel Gibson after the sugar t!ts incident where he blamed all the world’s wars on Jooooooos!

    Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157 (f7d5ba)

  76. Ohio: Hates self-defense. Duty to retreat. Proof rules make self-defense much harder. State v. Robbins, 58 Ohio St. 74.

    Huh?

    Yes, Ohio has a duty to retreat. We also have “castle doctrine” for your home and car, where you do not have a duty to retreat.

    It’s also “shall-issue”, you can go to a neighboring county to get your permit (no local idiot blocking you), and each year the laws are getting clearer and clearer.

    There’s still an annoying notification requirement (annoying because it’s worded poorly and easy to abuse; look up “Officer Roid Rage”), but this year they cleared up the laws on transporting in a car.

    Rob Crawford (c55962)

  77. If nothing else, America will come to realize that blacks will no longer spend their money in states and with corporations who support and uphold these laws

    Wonderfully idiotic copypasta nonsense.

    JD (b63a52)

  78. JD–people will move, or drive to another less “objectionable” state to purchase their milk and matresses. Riiight.

    elissa (157f9e)

  79. Too bad Teddy Pendergrass is dead, he’d be much funnier in the headline

    Hawkins (1fc204)

  80. Have you seen Stevie Wonder’s new haircut?

    Neither has he.

    CrustyB (69f730)

  81. Why does the blind leading the blind come to mind?

    atadoff (dd121a)

  82. Too bad Teddy Pendergrass is dead, he’d be much funnier in the headline

    That’s f**cking horrible, yet clever.

    JVW (23867e)

  83. Do you know that one of the original ideas for the movie Airplane! was to have Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles play the pilots?

    JVW (23867e)

  84. Quinn @63. No one ever said minorities have an impact on the economy. For instance Urban Week in Miami. Locals and other tourists avoid it so they don’t end up in the crossfire. Huge security costs for the city.

    http://miami.cbslocal.com/2011/06/02/police-gun-found-in-car-of-man-killed-during-urban-beach-week/

    Commissioner Jerry Libbin, also president and CEO of the Miami Beach Chamber of Commerce, proposed a curfew. Mayor Matti Herrera Bower, however, dismissed that idea as unfeasible. Instead she supports a move to end alcohol sales at bars and clubs earlier than the South Beach standard 5 a.m.

    “It’s something that happens by itself. We in the city of Miami Beach do not give any permits that day. And even though it’s called an event, there is no such event,” she said referring to Urban Beach weekend. “I think that’s why it is so hard to control.”

    Bower said there’s frustration from all parties.

    “I want the residents to understand that we are all frustrated,” she said. “The staff is frustrated, the police are frustrated, the residents are frustrated.”

    Still, Bower says the city doesn’t have much ability to end Urban Beach Week, considering the throngs of tourists who flood Miami Beach’s Art Deco district don’t come for city permitted events, but for private concerts and parties.

    Perhaps, sir, if you got the word out about Florida’s SYG law you can do what the city of Miami and its residents want to do but can’t. End Urban Week.

    Steve57 (15e538)

  85. *No one ever said minorities don’t have an impact on the economy.*

    Steve57 (15e538)

  86. Who knew Stevie Wonder was still kicking around? What kind of adult man calls himself Stevie?

    quasimodo (97433f)

  87. Isn’t he old school? Not new school like Rachel with her 3.0 (whatever that means).

    rochf (f3fbb0)

  88. As for me, I’m going to boycott blind singers.

    I’m going to do the same, although I’m going to limit it to idiot racist ones who haven’t had a substantial hit in over 25 years, and thus represent nothing of interest to me anyway.

    The nice thing about my boycott is it won’t cost me a damned thing whatsoever.

    I do the same, with the same wonderful results, with regards the music and movies of idiot racist singer-actors named “Harry”.

    IGotBupkis, "Faeces Evenio, Mr. Holder?" (a2f645)

  89. Another Dixie Chicks moment, savor it

    LMFAO.

    IGotBupkis, "Faeces Evenio, Mr. Holder?" (a2f645)

  90. JD–people will move, or drive to another less “objectionable” state to purchase their milk and matresses. Riiight.

    Hey, while you’re there, can you pick me up some skittles?

    IGotBupkis, "Faeces Evenio, Mr. Holder?" (a2f645)

  91. Elton John supposedly makes three million dollars per week when he performs at Caesars Palace.

    Who the eph is buying enough tickets at what price to justify THAT?

    Am I the ONLY 50yo guy whose musical tastes didn’t ossify to solid rock the day he stopped attending college?

    I can’t imagine paying even 25 bucks for a ticket to see a GOOD band/performer, much less some old has-been playing 30yo music like Wonder or John.

    Hell, I won free tickets to see Earth, Wind, and Fire on July 4th and I didn’t even bother to go pick them up to sell ‘em. :-P

    IGotBupkis, "Faeces Evenio, Mr. Holder?" (a2f645)

  92. If no one tells him he’s in Florida, how will he know?

    navyvet (02dd07)

  93. Is there anything we can do to get him to boycott performing in all 57 states ?

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  94. 93.Is there anything we can do to get him to boycott performing in all 57 states ?

    Comment by Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 7/17/2013 @ 5:45 pm

    Urge your state legislators to pass SYG laws!

    Tough choice, I know. “Hmmm, do I go for a more robust right of self-defense? Or do I hope some B-list has-been one day tours my state singing a bunch crap I’ve never liked?”

    Steve57 (15e538)

  95. Apparently, Stevie Wonder thinks that Zimmerman should have been convicted. It’s as if he didn’t watch the trial at all.

    Chuck Bartowski (8dd23e)

  96. Well, he didn’t.

    Sammy Finkelman (1e81da)

  97. 93. all 57 states.

    The 57 states are the 50 states on the 1999 to 2008 quarters, the 6 territories on the 2009 quarters, and Democrats abroad. Total: 57.

    There were 57 delegations to the Democratic National Convention in 2008 (The Republicans had only 56, if I am right)

    Barack Obama, as a sitting Senator, of course knew that are there only 50 states because 50×2 – 100, and there are 100 Senators and 100 is a very round number.

    He just got confused for a moment between states and delegations.

    Sammy Finkelman (1e81da)

  98. cause he ignant

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  99. I guess Stevie can’t go back to the state he was born in. It is a stand your ground state. Michigan

    Sidney Rhodes (8aa99e)

  100. Thanks to their whipsmart governor, Granholm.

    narciso (3fec35)

  101. He just got confused for a moment between states and delegations.

    Sort of a variation of this…

    cbsnews.com, May 24, 2011: Obama slipped up when he signed the guest book at Westminster Abbey in London today. Perhaps reminiscing over more exciting times for him, the president mistakenly wrote the date as “24 May 2008.”

    Mark (98b17a)

  102. 97. He just got confused for a moment between states and delegations.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (1e81da) — 7/17/2013 @ 6:54 pm

    It’s just so easy to do it’s happened to…

    It’s happened to…

    No one else ever. Not even Joe Biden.

    Steve57 (15e538)

  103. Duty to retreat in New York looks to be rather limited:

    2. A person may not use deadly physical force upon another person under circumstances specified in subdivision one unless:
    (a) The actor reasonably believes that such other person is using or about to use deadly physical force. Even in such case, however, the actor may not use deadly physical force if he or she knows that with complete personal safety, to oneself and others he or she may avoid the necessity of so doing by retreating; except that the actor is under no duty to retreat if he or she is:
    (i) in his or her dwelling and not the initial aggressor; or
    (ii) a police officer or peace officer or a person assisting a police officer or a peace officer at the latter’s direction, acting pursuant to section 35.30; or
    (b) He or she reasonably believes that such other person is committing or attempting to commit a kidnapping, forcible rape, forcible criminal sexual act or robbery; or
    (c) He or she reasonably believes that such other person is committing or attempting to commit a burglary, and the circumstances are such that the use of deadly physical force is authorized by subdivision three of section 35.20.

    So you really only have to retreat if you are outside your home AND it is completely safe to do so AND you are trying to stop generally non-violent crimes on your own.

    Sam (133e2f)

  104. When someone writes an article he/she retains the idea of a user in his/her mind
    that how a user can be aware of it. Therefore that’s why this piece of writing is perfect. Thanks!

    Sean (941844)

  105. It’s all racial! In states that have enacted “Stand Your Ground” laws, the situation is worse: 35.9 percent of white-on-black shootings are ultimately deemed to be self-defense. In the reverse situation, black-on-white shootings, only 3.4 percent of cases have ended with the same verdict.

    Based on this new analysis, Roman tells me via email that: “The criminal justice system is rife with racial disparities. From searches of motor vehicles during traffic stops, to stop-and-frisk encounters and arrests, to sentencing and parole decisions, black Americans – especially young black males – come in contact with the police and courts far more often than their share of the population would predict. The chasm in justifiable homicide rulings, however, is vastly larger than other disparities and deserves intense scrutiny.”

    HeGotAwayWithMurder (a23dcc)

  106. I bet if Stevie Wonder was shot in Florida by Zim despite the fact Stevie is blind, Zim still woulda gotten aquitted by this RACIST DEMOGRAPHICAL JURY saying he had reason to shoot an unarmed blind man because he feared that Stevie was faking his blindness and could clearly see him and was gonna throw his harmonica at Zim…all despite the fact that Zim profiled, stalked, and approached a blind man walking with a stick tapping the ground with his face looking up at the sky. Bet he woulda still inflicted the same stupid bruises and cuts upon his nose and head refusing to go to the hospital, but to make it look like Stevie was on top of him banging his head on concrete…LIAR!!!

    HeGotAwayWithMurder (a23dcc)

  107. Behold the dawn of the Tra(de)Mar(k) Troofers.

    PCachu (e072b7)

  108. behold the intellectual prowess that is the Traycists amongst us.

    it’s the ALL CAPS that really make their arguments so convincing. 8-)

    redc1c4 (403dff)

  109. Yes, it was obviously all Zimmerman’s fault. He attacked Martin’s fists with his nose.

    navyvet (02dd07)

  110. “Hegotawaywithmurder”, did you copy and paste that from “illuminati noir”? That’s where I found your quote.

    Anyway, it’s certainly true that bad outcomes in the legal system for blacks happen “far more often than their share of the population would predict”, as you say, but I don’t think that you’ve proven George is guilty of murder on that basis. I think you’re proven that those using this tragedy to race bait have gotten you all worked up.

    Dustin (303dca)

  111. but I don’t think that you’ve proven George is guilty of murder on that basis. I think you’re proven that those using this tragedy to race bait have gotten you all worked up.

    Comment by Dustin (303dca) — 7/18/2013 @ 12:57 pm

    Proved his own self bugfuckingcrazy, HeGotAwayWithMurder did!

    Yoda (ee1de0)

  112. Racism and hate is alive and well among those who think they are above the rest of the population. Georgie set the scene for murder, if he’d done as he was told (do not engage, let the police handle it, stayed in his car, left his GUN out of it) Trayvon would be alive. In some parts of this country the political governmental systems are VERY racist. Remember, Georgie was part of Neighborhood WATCH, not stalk and kill! Now to the point, if the races had been reversed Georgie would have gone done without question. Don’t you get it? Regardless of the color of someone’s skin we are all of the same race – the human race. Why have you allowed yourself to be turned back 50 years in your thinking? White, black, brown, yellow, red, or purple, we are all humans and if we cannot get along in this world, & treat each other with fairness and kindness, we are over as a species. We are on the verge of much more important problems, climate change! And if we don’t get our little minds on this problem all the rest won’t matter. Either a tornado, hurricane, wild fire, disease, quakes or other catastrophe will get you and all your damn guns won’t do anything but maybe give you a quick out when you finally get it that this will be the end of humanity. Isn’t life hard enough without creating more drama. Let’s give each other a break, wake up to the REAL problems that we face, and get to work making a better world so that our children will have something to inherit. What will you say when your kid asks you what did you do when it was clear that we had a major problem…? Not to change the subject from all the glee some where having at Stevie Wonder’s expense.

    Julie Whitewoman (be253f)

  113. Julie, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Zimmerman was never ordered to stay in his car.

    Tell you what: if I can prove that you are wrong, will you change your mind?

    Chuck Bartowski (25922b)

  114. Julie – please stay away from my children.

    JD (b50cac)

  115. Julie Whitewoman, please refrain from using the word “they” when discussing people who think they are above the rest of the population and, thereby, the law. It’s racist.

    ratbeach (f5aad4)

  116. “Julie” is a Traycist…

    redc1c4 (403dff)

  117. If climate change now causes earthquakes, will ManBearPig one day emerge from a crack in the ground?

    Icy (ac47d1)

  118. Lordy, Lordy, Julie, you’re so right, we’re all members of the human race, an’ we gotta all work together to make sure CLIMATE CHANGE and other scary stuff doesn’t destroy the earth and kill all the little children. So when kids ask us what we did when is was clear we had a major problem… we can answer that we closed our eyes to established facts and to the results of a trial by jury and instead of respecting the rule of law we tried to inflame racial animosities to the point of lynching an innocent man to appease the blood lust of racists and bigots like you.

    ropelight (3b089b)

  119. if he’d done as he was told (do not engage, let the police handle it, stayed in his car, left his GUN out of it) Trayvon would be alive.

    Good liberal — do as you are told and always wait for someone else to take care of the problems.

    Now to the point, if the races had been reversed Georgie would have gone done without question. Don’t you get it?

    Ever hear of Roderick Scott, Julie?

    Regardless of the color of someone’s skin we are all of the same race – the human race.

    Thanks for the banality. Don’t you also want to add “we’re all in the same boat, so let’s start rowing together”?

    We are on the verge of much more important problems, climate change!

    Ah, squirrel!

    What will you say when your kid asks you what did you do when it was clear that we had a major problem…?

    I will say that I was monitoring the situation. No wait, I’ll vote “present.” No wait, I’ll lead from behind. Hey, what difference at this point does it make?

    JVW (23867e)

  120. Let me state an unequivocal bottom line for all those silly “if George had stayed in his car” people:
    George and Trayvon each had the same “right”–an equal “right”, to walk around in that neighborhood as the other did. Trayvon was visiting residents there, and Zimmerman lived there. Something bad happened. But the cause is not that Zimmerman got out of his vehicle and was walking in his own neighborhood.

    elissa (1d7424)

  121. I agree with elissa. And that was hilarious, JVW.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  122. JVW: bad link.

    navyvet (02dd07)

  123. I’m just gonna have to conclude that Stevie Wonder never saw the photos of George Zimmerman’s broken nose !

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  124. Elephant Stone wins the thread.

    redc1c4 (403dff)


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