Deport Legalize the Child Abusers First
Page 4-6 of Corker-Hoeven-Rubio substitute of #Gangof8 bill lets wife beaters, drunk drivers, and child abusers get amnesty.
— David Vitter (@DavidVitter) June 21, 2013
Via Twitchy.
The amended bill, with the supposedly (but not really) fabutastic new border security provisions, is here (.pdf). I tried confirming Vitter’s claim, but I don’t have a staff, or a full set of the United States Code, or endless time. So it’s impossible to tell whether Vitter is correct, or what it all means — but there are certainly passages that look troubling. For example, at page 724 we see this:
REFUSAL TO ISSUE; REVOCATION.—In accordance with regulations promulgated by the Secretary, the Secretary shall refuse to issue or renew, or shall revoke and debar from eligibility to obtain a certificate of registration for a period of not greater than 5 years, after notice and an opportunity for a hearing, a certificate of registration under this section if—
. . . .
(3) the applicant for, or holder of, the certification has been convicted within the preceding 5 years of—
(A) any felony under State or Federal law or crime involving robbery, bribery, extortion, embezzlement, grand larceny, burglary, arson, violation of narcotics laws, murder, rape, assault with intent to kill, assault which inflicts grievous bodily injury, prostitution, peonage, or smuggling or harboring individuals who have entered the United States illegally . . .
The certification appears to be a document obtained in order to perform services as a “foreign labor contractor,” which I think means guest worker. [UPDATE: Wrong. See UPDATE below.] If I’m reading this right, it’s hunky dory to be a guest worker who has committed murder or rape, as long as the conviction occurred more than five years ago. Convicted of murder six years ago? Here’s your certificate, Mr. Guest Worker!
Who knows what other nuggets are buried in this manure pile?
We have the weekend to find out. The vote is Monday.
UPDATE: A commenter says “foreign labor contractor” is a person who offers employment to guest workers, not a guest worker. Re-reading my link, that appears correct. I have changed the title and placed a note concerning the update in the post. My apologies for the sloppiness.
Why would we want to issue certificates to convicted murders and rapists to contract with guest workers?
Surely I must be reading this wrong?
Murderers and rapists as guest workers??
Patterico (9c670f) — 6/22/2013 @ 1:00 pmThieves need to work for a living, too.
Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 6/22/2013 @ 1:04 pmOtherwise, they might end resorting to stealing. Or something.
If Ted Cruz is right, then there are many problems with the bill as amended, including that it opens the door to criminals:
DRJ (a83b8b) — 6/22/2013 @ 1:07 pmThere needs to be a normative discussion about this bill. Or whatever.
Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 6/22/2013 @ 1:12 pmIt allows the DHS Secretary to waive or reduce fees for classes of illegal immigrants while all legal immigrants must pay their fees.
DRJ – It is the numerous waiver provisions relating to criminal convictions, fines, past taxes, and other provisions which concern me.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/22/2013 @ 1:30 pmAll crime and violence (henceforth to be known as indiscretions) done by muslims, blacks, or hispanics, is caused by a disenfranchised place within a society driven by white greed (which is sometimes known as a market economy), and white privilege.
So we learn that this unbalanced society is responsible for the indiscretions of the undocumented; indiscretions that never, ever would have materialized if society was fair and just.
You see a white guy can run his car up onto the steps of the Capitol; run into his office and blow into a breathalyzer until it comes up zeroes and emerge and blame Ambien. The same white guy’s Dad can have a few drinks, run his car into the water and abandon a young woman to die, flee the scene and emerge the next day perfectly sober flanked by attorneys, priests and family.
The undocumented do not have those types of privileges, but white people who power the system do. Hence the disenfranchised engage in indiscretion.
In LA 1992, 53 people found themselves deceased during a period of unrest better termed as restlessness. These deceased people became that way when people; (some of whom have been labeled or libeled by conservatives as illegal aliens) got caught up in expressing themselves in “the voice of the unheard”. These moments sometimes result in what we will call “ouchies” and no one is to blame. It just happened. Think of it as a slightly missed note during a live performance of your favorite song.
The playing field needs leveling, particularly for those drawn into expressing themselves in “the voice of the unheard” and Eric Holder is just the man to do it. After all, Ted Kennedy, Lion of the Senate, voted to confirm him.
SteveG (794291) — 6/22/2013 @ 2:09 pmAnd who knew more about white privilege than Ted?
The Leahy/Schumer/Hoeven/Corker amendment to the bill is nearly 1,200 pages long
The amendment alone is almost 1,200 pages??
We know what’s in it, enough government lawyer gobblydegook to make it say whatever the people administering it want.
I think there needs to be a law about how long a law can be. At least that way they can make a given document more focused in its intent and less things unrelated snuck in.
Also, it might make something like “immigration reform” need to be addressed in separate pieces, one piece dealing with border security alone, for example.
I wonder if I could get elected to Congress on that alone, to promise to work to make all laws limited in scope.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 6/22/2013 @ 2:11 pmHmmm, it’s a thought; but not really, I couldn’t put my family in the bullseye of the democrat destroy the opposition machine.
I mean, after what they did to Palin…, and I’m not pretty, don’t run, and can’t dress out a moose in the wild.
I guess I wouldn’t have a chance after all.
“All crime and violence (henceforth to be known as indiscretions) done by muslims, blacks, or hispanics, is caused by a disenfranchised place within a society driven by white greed (which is sometimes known as a market economy), and white privilege.”
SteveG – That plus Catholic schools, which everybody knows only exist to sow division and homophobia.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/22/2013 @ 2:12 pmif child abusers get amnesty than for sure dudes what like to get spanked by prostitutes while wearing diapers should get it too I think
happyfeet (8ce051) — 6/22/2013 @ 3:24 pmSo is it Corker, Hoeven, or Rubio who has friends with money who have illegal friends or relatives with criminal records? My guess is all three, but if I had to pick just one it would be Rubio.
nk (875f57) — 6/22/2013 @ 3:51 pmDamn. happyfeet beat me to it.
Leviticus (2c236c) — 6/22/2013 @ 4:20 pmIt could be worse — your state could be represented in the Senate by a moron who wants to authorize the Dept. of Homeland Security to recognize victims of climate change for purposes of favorable immigration treatment.
“It simply recognizes that climate change, like war, is one of the most significant contributors to homelessness in the world. And like with states torn apart and made uninhabitable by war, we have an obligation not to deport people back to a country made uninhabitable by sea level rise and other extreme environmental changes that render these states desolate. It does not grant any individual or group of individuals outside the United States with any new status or avenue for seeking asylum in the United States.”
shipwreckedcrew (848932) — 6/22/2013 @ 4:24 pmThanks, happyfeet and Leviticus, but they were not prostitutes they were nurses and they did not spank me they only strapped me down and gave me a sponge bath and sedatives. I really don’t know how these rumors get started.
nk (875f57) — 6/22/2013 @ 4:30 pmWhat? We don’t have enough native-born criminals? We have to import them from elsewhere? Is the bill being published in Spanish first and then going to be translated into English at some future point? Will that translation work be out-sourced off-shore?
If Boehner is as stupid as I think he is, we are in big trouble.
WarEagle82 (2b7355) — 6/22/2013 @ 4:34 pmFrankly it doesn’t matter what they pass. Obama will just waive sections of the law for his preferred interest groups, and choose to ignore/not enforce sections that he doesn’t like.
JD (509d82) — 6/22/2013 @ 4:36 pmOn the list of allowed crimes is peonage:
Slavers, in other words, get a free pass.
Rob Crawford (49918b) — 6/22/2013 @ 4:40 pmshipwreckedcrew, that’s pretty stupid. That’s “Will Guam tip over?” stupid.
SPQR (768505) — 6/22/2013 @ 4:42 pmYou are all surprised by the lackadaisical approach to criminal job seekers on foreign guest worker visas in the immigration bill bbecauuuuuse…?
The Obama administration is suing Dollar General and a BMW facility in South Carolina for the alleged unfair use of criminal background checks for job applicants, months after warning companies about how such screenings can discriminate against African Americas.
The suits were filed June 11 by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, which last year issued new guidelines that cautioned against rejecting minority applicants who have committed a crime and recommended businesses eliminate policies that “exclude people from employment based on a criminal record.”
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/06/obama-administration-sues-dollar-general-for-using-background-checks-on-job-applicants-its-racist-video/
elissa (b84065) — 6/22/2013 @ 4:44 pm“for sure dudes what like to get spanked by prostitutes while wearing diapers should get it too I think”
Mr. Feets – Barney Frank is already a citizen I’m pretty sure.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/22/2013 @ 4:48 pmWhere is the Paul Kersey brigade?
mg (31009b) — 6/22/2013 @ 4:48 pmMurderers and rapists as guest workers??
Why not?
The US military — yes, the military (and NOT the NEA, or the ACLU, or NOW, or the NAACP, or Green Earth, or Emily’s List, or the New York Times, etc) — was a big squish and pushover when it came to the ravings and rantings of Nidal Hasan. So if it’s good enough for that branch of government, it sure as hell is good enough for the INS, the IRS, the FBI, the EPA, the NSA, etc, etc.
Mark (67e579) — 6/22/2013 @ 4:48 pmThe Obama administration is suing Dollar General and a BMW facility in South Carolina for the alleged unfair use of criminal background checks for job applicants
The current gang throughout the ultra-blue portions of the US government will next make it unlawful for retailers to have anti-shoplifting policies, claiming that such a restriction discriminates against customers of limited socio-economic means.
Mark (67e579) — 6/22/2013 @ 4:52 pmThat language is for refusing to issue registration for foreign labor contractors. Which are the people recruiting and soliciting foreign laborers. Scroll up. That whole subtitle is about protecting workers recruited abroad from trafficking and abuse.
mack (eceaf2) — 6/22/2013 @ 5:05 pmI can’t afford to have formerly indiscreet work for me because the line between former and current gets blurry real quick.
SteveG (794291) — 6/22/2013 @ 5:18 pmPlus, I’m pretty sure that if I’ve knowingly hired or kept on a person that has been oppressed in that way by the white man who then turns around and liberates anything from the bicycle to the virginity of my clients 13 year old daughter… I’ll be getting a letter from their lawyer.
The people I pay money to in the hope of having liability insurance will just point me to page 3012 of my policy
happy and Leviticus,
Please rate these on a scale of relative importance:
*An old story about the sexual peccadilloes of a U.S. Senator.
*The issue of whether convicted rapists and murderers are going to be given guest worker status in our country.
Patterico (9c670f) — 6/22/2013 @ 5:26 pmmack,
You are correct. Thank you. I have updated the post.
Patterico (9c670f) — 6/22/2013 @ 5:31 pmUPDATE: A commenter says “foreign labor contractor” is a person who offers employment to guest workers, not a guest worker. Re-reading my link, that appears correct. I have changed the title and placed a note concerning the update in the post. My apologies for the sloppiness.
Why would we want to issue certificates to convicted murders and rapists to contract with guest workers?
Patterico (9c670f) — 6/22/2013 @ 5:33 pmI suppose the other way to look at the question is how long should those convictions be a legal bar to enter the foreign labor contracting profession? What other professions have such bars? Lawyers? Doctors?
mack (eceaf2) — 6/22/2013 @ 5:39 pm‘murder, robbery, attempt to kill’ howabout never,
narciso (3fec35) — 6/22/2013 @ 5:51 pmWhat other professions have such bars? Lawyers? Doctors?
Yes, and most other licensed professions, waivers vary state to state. DEA drug license, some waiver available. No gun, nationwide, without a pardon on the basis of innocense. Adoption, foster care, waivers also vary. Aliens lawfully here can be deported for a felony, crimes involving dishonesty/moral turpitude (e.g., bad check regardless of amount), gun offenses and drug offenses, no matter when they occurred.
nk (875f57) — 6/22/2013 @ 6:16 pmDomestic violence (no criminal conviction required), no gun nationwide.
nk (875f57) — 6/22/2013 @ 6:21 pmIs Mack imdw again? Sheesh.
nk (875f57) — 6/22/2013 @ 6:36 pmSince when waas no criminal conviction required?
Michael Ejercito (2e0217) — 6/22/2013 @ 6:40 pmI think we need to realize “…everyone has something like this happen to them”
link
SteveG (794291) — 6/22/2013 @ 6:43 pmLautenberg Amendment — 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)
(g) It shall be unlawful for any person—
nk (875f57) — 6/22/2013 @ 6:58 pm(1) who has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
(2) who is a fugitive from justice;
(3) who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));
(4) who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to a mental institution;
(5) who, being an alien—
(A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or
(B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 (a)(26)));
(6) who has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
(7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship;
(8) who is subject to a court order that—
(A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had an opportunity to participate;
(B) restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child; and
(C)
(i) includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or
(ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or
(9) who has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence,
to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce, or possess in or affecting commerce, any firearm or ammunition; or to receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce.
*then* for sure I mean
um
Mr. Patterico given our pitiful little joke of a country’s enthusiastic embrace of fascism and fail
amnesty for rapists or what have you ain’t no thang
not in the big picture
in the big picture America is best expressed as one of your better lolcat jokes
happyfeet (8ce051) — 6/22/2013 @ 7:06 pmThose hearings and court orders have some sting to them.
SteveG (794291) — 6/22/2013 @ 7:12 pmAn angry woman with a good lawyer (and if you have a bad one) she can sure *bleep* up your life.
Unless you are undocumented and are bright enough figure out when and how to get lost in the wind.
“The US military — yes, the military (and NOT the NEA, or the ACLU, or NOW, or the NAACP, or Green Earth, or Emily’s List, or the New York Times, etc) — was a big squish and pushover when it came to the ravings and rantings of Nidal Hasan. So if it’s good enough for that branch of government, it sure as hell is good enough for the INS, the IRS, the FBI, the EPA, the NSA, etc, etc.”
– Mark
Apparently the US military also has more than its fair share of rapists. Maybe Vitter can get outraged about that, too.
Leviticus (2c236c) — 6/22/2013 @ 7:14 pmMaybe the goal posts are fine right where they are right now.
Icy (cc8743) — 6/22/2013 @ 7:22 pmI had a lot of gun cases, and also immigrant clients. After 1997, the stakes went way up for a conviction even if the client was spared jail time. Not just the feds. F-word Ryan made first offense unlawful carry a felony, from previously a misdemeanor, in Illinois, meaning a bar to gun ownership for life in all fifty states and potential loss of a green card.
nk (875f57) — 6/22/2013 @ 7:23 pmAlright, we leave out the first offenses, misunderstandings but the last three, what is the purpose here,
narciso (3fec35) — 6/22/2013 @ 7:26 pmApparently the US military also has more than its fair share of rapists.
Undoubtedly not helped by the Nidal-Hasan-ization of the US military, which means that not only are cries of “death to America!” perhaps a case of “workplace violence”, but that male-on-male sexual abuse may illustrate a need for more pro-GLBT kindness and tolerance.
Mark (67e579) — 6/22/2013 @ 8:17 pm“Who knows what other nuggets are buried in this manure pile?”
We have to pass this bill to find out what’s in it!
On a higher note, the illegal alien morphing into a Citizen of Privilege is only allowed two DUI convictions. On the third, the DHS has the discretion to deny him citizenship. Tough stuff!
The Ghost of Winston Smith (be0117) — 6/22/2013 @ 8:26 pmApparently the US military also has more than its fair share of rapists.
FWIW, I had a lengthy reply (of my dreaded copy and paste) to your post, based on news of the apparently growing problem of male-on-male rape in the US military. But the message got lost in Patterico.com’s holding bin.
Mark (67e579) — 6/22/2013 @ 8:48 pmit’s worth a lot I think
fucking oodles
happyfeet (8ce051) — 6/22/2013 @ 9:14 pmThat’s okay, I’m pretty sure I can piece it together from your other comments.
Leviticus (2c236c) — 6/22/2013 @ 10:27 pmThough I’m not holding out any great hope, it still might be worth getting up 15 minutes early on Monday & calling both your senators. (Consider it one of those small sacrifices a good citizen makes for the love of his country.)
Go to http://www.senate.gov, click on the upper-left-hand link labeled ‘Senators’; this takes you to ‘Senators of the 113th Congress’. You can search by state or by surname, just click the drop-down boxes below that header. Also, about midway down on the right side, there’s a link to ‘Senators Phone List’ (downloadable PDF format). The Washington DC area code is (202), then phone numbers displayed for the senators assume a ’22’ before the printed number. For example, Harry Reid would be (202) 224-3542.
Melt their phone lines. PLEEEEEEEZE!
A_Nonny_Mouse (769796) — 6/22/2013 @ 11:20 pmI guess this is the squirrel move;
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/06/puttin_on_the_ritz.html
narciso (3fec35) — 6/23/2013 @ 6:22 amIf this doesn’t prove immigration reform a/k/a amnesty is all about demonizing Republicans, nothing will: Schumer is already blaming Republicans for being anti-immigrant and, unbelievably, one immigrant rights group blames Marco Rubio — the Latino Senator who sponsored the immigration reform bill.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 6/23/2013 @ 11:37 amThe Obama Administration is once again trying to shove a horrible law down our throats !
Wait. Look over, there !
Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 6/23/2013 @ 3:22 pmSquirrel !David Vitter !And we can’t focus on real issues like immigration or the I.R.S. scandal because a U.S. Senator once admitted to having frequented a prostitute. And that upsets some people’s
Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 6/23/2013 @ 3:54 pmfamily valuesapple carts. Or something.The most incredible aspect of this is that once passed, the security triggers will be waived, not funded, ignored, watered down further, or used to further demonize Team R as racists.
JD (b63a52) — 6/23/2013 @ 4:27 pmAnd, JD, Tuesday he will announce his plans to destroy American manufacturing even further, all in the name of global warming. Guess he didn’t read the paper yet that said that stopped 15 years ago.
Patricia (be0117) — 6/23/2013 @ 4:39 pmIf you’re talking about Obama I don’t think he reads anything except his teleprompter. He always talks about seeing it on the news. He must watch a lot of TV. I guess if was on “Jersey Shore,” “The View,” “American Idol,” or mentioned by a sportscaster on ESPN during March Madness he’d know global warming had stopped.
Steve57 (ab2b34) — 6/23/2013 @ 9:27 pm@45, for what it’s worth I did what I could.
I haven’t seen how the vote has turned out, but I thought I’d link to this mention of Rubio and give my thoughts. I quote it in its entirety as John Hayword adds only two sentences to what he excerpts from another site.
http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/06/24/Marco-Rubio-makes-his-case-for-immigration-reform
Has anyone seen as many misleading statements condensed in so few paragraphs? Not one is designed to inform. Take the first sentence in the first paragraph.
Who are the “border patrol officials?” No doubt the same officials who threaten the careers of Border Patrol agents if they attempt to enforce immigration laws instead of letting suspects go. The illegals can’t apply to become citizens for 10 years? That isn’t the point; they get amnesty and legal status immediately. They can’t apply until five security triggers are met? Completely notional.
The DHS secretary can waive all the fencing requirements. To enforce Obamacare the IRS gets its 16,000 agents immediately. Border patrol doesn’t have to hire those 20,000 agents for years. And again, if the “border patrol officials” they consulted are the same ones telling current agents not to do their jobs or suffer retaliation what good are 20,000 more people not enforcing immigration law. No doubt they’ll just be providing bottled water to the new arrivals.
I could go on. I often do. Others have on this issue. But what galls me is John Hayward’s apparent admiration for this man. Is this really how he thinks someone becomes a GOP front runner. By lying and obfuscating with such ease? Perhaps I’m reading Brietbart’s Hayward wrong and he’s just matter of factly stating what one has to do to become the darling of the establishment GOP. But if that’s the case he’s being awfully uncritical.
Perhaps it’s just my disgust coloring my view, but if it were me I’d say something along the lines of “Rubio’s introductory paragraphs are a
Steve57 (ab2b34) — 6/24/2013 @ 5:29 pmbrilliantdamning reminder of how he went from outsider underdog Senate candidate to top Republican presidential prospect in just a few short years.” And leave no doubt.I haven’t seen this anywhere else yet, but via Legal Insurrection here’s the list of the known GOP traitors how joined the Democrats to vote for cloture on the Gang of Pancho Villa immigration bill.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/live-senate-immigration-floor-debate-and-cloture-vote/
Steve57 (ab2b34) — 6/24/2013 @ 6:11 pmThe final tally was 67-27, with only 27 Senators siding with US citizens.
Steve57 (ab2b34) — 6/24/2013 @ 6:12 pmIowahawk is on fire today.
https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog
Steve57 (ab2b34) — 6/24/2013 @ 7:16 pmFurther to my comment @53:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/12/Heller-Reid-push-to-legally-define-Nevada-as-a-border-state
Great. Senators Heller and Reid join Landrieu in claiming that states that don’t have borders with foreign countries really do border foreign countries. In defiance of reality.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/sen.-landrieu-blooper-south-dakota-borders-canada/article/2531821
The definition of a border is state is decided by whether or not Democrats are in charge.
Can anyone really believe a word Rubio is saying at this point.
At this point Maryland, Delaware, and Illinois will be the “border states” along with Kali charged with determining if the Mexican border is secure. Definitely not Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona.
Steve57 (ab2b34) — 6/24/2013 @ 8:41 pm