Obama Administration Stupidity Contributed to Lengthy Imprisonment of Hero Who Helped Us Kill Bin Laden
It was the Obama administration that sealed the fate of the Pakistani doctor jailed for helping nail Usama Bin Laden, by divulging key details after the fact and dooming any chance Shakil Afridi’s cover story could win his freedom, according to a confidential Pakistani report.
When former Secretary of Defense and ex-CIA Director Leon Panetta publicly acknowledged Afridi’s role in the ruse which helped the CIA pinpoint Bin Laden’s presence in an Abbottabad compound, any chance that Pakistani authorities could help him get out of the country vanished, according to what some have called Pakistan’s version of the 9/11 Commission, a 357-page report from an independent body set up to probe the aftermath of the 2011 raid by Navy SEALs in which the Al Qaeda leader was killed.
“The statement by the U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, who was the CIA Director when May 2 happened, confirming the role of Dr. Afridi in making the U.S. assassination mission a success, rendered much of what Afridi told the Commission very questionable if not outright lies,” states the report, which has not been released, but which FoxNews.com has viewed.
Afridi was technically given a 33-year sentence for colluding with a local militant group, but “American lawmakers, diplomats and administration officials all believe the charges are a proxy for his role in assisting a foreign spy agency.” He was arrested days after the bin Laden raid, and it seems clear he is being punished for helping ascertain bin Laden’s location.
Luckily, the Most Responsible Administration in the World decided to open their yaps and take away any plausible deniability for him. Hey, buddy, thanks for that help nailing the world’s top terrorist — and sorry about that 33-year sentence we helped you get!
Anyone else want to help us catch some terrorists? Anyone? Anyone?
These people are truly incredible.
Patterico (9c670f) — 6/1/2013 @ 7:21 amOur country is in the very best of hands.
nk (875f57) — 6/1/2013 @ 7:35 amThe other day I saw a bumpersticker on a Lexus SUV in Westlake, TX (median family income $250,343)that said, “Everyday I wake up happy knowing Barack Obama is the President.” Below that was another one that said, “Subvert the Dominent (sic) Paradigm.”
Jack Klompus (2b072c) — 6/1/2013 @ 7:40 amWell, I guess we should be relieved and happy that Panetta and other supplicants of Obama at least had the good sense to not blame the good Pakastani doctor for posting an unkind, racist, bigoted anti-Islamic video to Youtube.
Mark (aa8ab9) — 6/1/2013 @ 8:13 amThese days, liberals only seem to exist to remind the critical thinkers of America of what happens when the reins of power are placed in their hands.
plus they’ll be the ruin of us all.
Colonel Haiku (325299) — 6/1/2013 @ 8:14 amThe sad part is that the leak was only for the purpose of getting some reporters to write how clever Obama was in finding bin Laden.
Here is proof that Obama thinks his political future is more important than that of a true hero’s life.
This is very sick.
AZ Bob (c11d35) — 6/1/2013 @ 8:22 amShame on him.
AZ Bob (c11d35) — 6/1/2013 @ 8:22 amDon’t forget, in addition betraying this brave man, Obama and his campaignistration got 17 members of DEVGRU killed in Afghanistan along with Army and National Guard personnel. But the Islamists were targeting the SEALs.
In addition to sealing Afridi’s fate what with them spiking the football and high-fiving each other over the OBL raid they sealed the fate of these special operators. When the high level officials publicly outed SEAL Team 6 in detail, those SEALs started calling family members telling them they were all in danger. The Islamists were out for revenge on them and their families. They told them to scrub all their social media and take other precautions. The Islamists would never have succeeded in targeting the DEVGRU SEALs without the Prom Queen and his partners in crime helping them.
This is why SecDef Gates went up to Obama’s National Security Adviser Tom Donilon and told him:
SEAL Team Six’s existence was classified for a reason. Obama demonstrated why when he ran his mouth, and had others run their mouths on his behalf, so he could preen on his national defense cred during an election year.
Just so you know, this is the real reason the SEALs and other special operators came out against Obama. It wasn’t because he was taking too much credit for the OBL raid. He was getting them killed with his bragging.
The truth about Obama’s record on national defense is the opposite of what he’d have you believe. And in that light, where are the leftists who thought it was the crime of the century for someone to out Valerie Plame? After all she wasn’t a NOC and hadn’t been for a sufficient number of years to make it perfectly legal to identify her as a CIA employee. Something she did every day when she openly commuted to CIA HQ. (Note to Sammy who thinks I think the CIA is honest and competent; go back and read my comments about their lies and incompetence during this episode.) Valerie Plame is still alive; nobody died. Valerie Plame was never endangered.
Yet the President revealed classified information that got 17 SEALs as well as Army air crew killed. Where’s the outrage?
Steve57 (9b1cdb) — 6/1/2013 @ 8:29 amNotice the pattern? Every time we score a victory over the terrorists Obama or “someone” in his Administration puts the finger on who it was that helped us, and/or which of our forces were involved.
Recall the “unfortunate incident” when Al Qaeda retaliated against SEAL Team 6 after Biden et al revealed they raided bin Ladin’s compound.
Or how the 2 ex-SEALS in Benghazi were left to die after they disobeyed WH orders and rescues State Department employees under attack.
Or how Major Nidal Hasan is being protected and pampered, paid, for murdering soldiers at Fort Hood. Obama and Holder won’t call it murder or even jihadi terrorism, as long as they define Hasan’s crime it’s workplace violence.
Or how the Underwear Bomber was quickly read his rights, or how the surviving Boston bomber was Mirandized on a weekend to keep him from talking too much.
Obama and Holder make sure that Americans die for the crime of opposing Al Qaeda, and that terrorists get treated with all the kindness and compassion high ranking accomplices and fellow travelers can provide.
The evidence is conclusive, all it takes is the willingness to acknowledge it.
ropelight (4017a8) — 6/1/2013 @ 8:39 amI eagerly await the prosecution/persecution of Mr. Panetta for his unlawful leak.
Patricia (be0117) — 6/1/2013 @ 8:39 amThere are some secrets the Preezy will keep. Ones that involve covering his a**.
Note the date in the URL.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/10/readout-president-s-meeting-senior-administration-officials-our-prepared
That’s right. On 10 September 2012 the WH released a press statement saying President huddled with his senior advisers and personally community organized our security posture to guarantee the safety of Americans at home and abroad.
We all know how well that turned out.
So, the question is if we had warning why wasn’t the administration ready to respond to the violence in Cairo? And we did have warning; the CIA had sent a cable to the Cairo embassy warning of the jihadist threats the same day King Putt was holding this meeting. And clearly that wasn’t the only reporting stream. According to this release Brennan had been reviewing security measures at home and abroad with relevant agencies and departments for a month.
So why wasn’t this administration prepared on 10 September to respond to the identified threat in Cairo? Because had something been readied for that, it could have also responded on 11 September in Benghazi. Yet apparently no forces were even on alert. If you believe Pannetta and Dempsey which I clearly do not.
Apparently the community organizer organized a security posture of “take the day off.” At least that’s the unclas cover story. The real story is classified. And you can bet your bottom dollar when it’s President Tiger Beat’s political a** on the line and not some Pakistani doctor or a few SEALs (recall how “brave” Obama was to take the political risk of ordering the OBL raid, which was apparently his main concern) then leakers will be hunted down and probably killed.
Steve57 (9b1cdb) — 6/1/2013 @ 8:48 amPerhaps he should have focused on key national security principles.
Icy (e73d78) — 6/1/2013 @ 9:13 amAnd, on a related note, the death of the Florida friend of the dead Boston bomber is getting more and more curious. According to the latest reports, Ibragim Todashev was unarmed and about to sign a confession when he was shot in the head by an FBI agent. The two were alone together after 6 other law enforcement agents left the room. Todashev’s father and CAIR claim to have an autopsy photo showing the bullet hit Ibragim in the back of the head.
Claims that Todashev attacked the FBI agent fail to explain why all the other LEO’s left the room.
ropelight (4017a8) — 6/1/2013 @ 9:23 amThe complete absence of any form of understanding of the long term damage done by the Obama cults ultra-short term thinking and self-adulation really infuriates me at times. Its one thing to have different policy goals, its another to cavalierly do damage to our interests and their own ability to advance their own goals for such short, petty “gains” as a favorable news story that lasts a few hours in the public conscienciousness.
SPQR (79d119) — 6/1/2013 @ 9:26 amThe Obama Administration has managed to create a climate in which adversaries are rewarded while allies are punished. It takes more than incompetence to accomplish this feat, it takes flat-out subversion.
JVW (23867e) — 6/1/2013 @ 9:34 amThe particular issue of how the raid in Afghanistan, etc, etc, was handled in its aftermath can be best summed up by the following, in terms of the pure symbolism, the sheer ineptitude, irresponsibility, dishonesty and callousness. So extreme that it takes on a purposeful quality. It explains why some conspiracy theorists have bought into the notion that Obama and his groupies are intentionally (again, intentionally) trying to bring down the US. Then again, Obama did embrace a preacher who proclaimed: “Goddamn America. Your chickens are coming home to roost.”
Mark (aa8ab9) — 6/1/2013 @ 9:50 amGreetings:
I’m currently reading Steve Coll’s “Ghost Wars” about America’s pre-9/11 involvement in Afghanistan. I don’t know if it was all that fresh air or the low level of oxygen at those altitudes, but stupidity seems to run pretty well rampant in those environs.
As Fouad Ajami has written, those are the lands of “I against my brother; my brother and I against our cousin; and, my cousin, my brother, and I against the stranger.” Afghanistan and Pakistan will get fixed right after human nature gets fixed.
11B40 (99e213) — 6/1/2013 @ 9:52 amSPQR and JVW are correct, and for the same reasons they are correct I can’t see these scandals popping up all around as separate issues.
Obama is a typical leftist who doesn’t believe we have any foreign enemies except those that we’ve created with our arrogant imperialism, capitalism, militarism, blah, blah, blah.
He is ideologically committed to the notion that if we make ourselves sufficiently acceptable to Muslims then they won’t join AQ. Which is the only Islamist group that he’s willing to admit is a threat. Therefore if we help the MB take over all of North Africa, then that proves we aren’t at war with Muslims and they won’t want to fight us. And make no mistake, the MB will take over Tunisia basically completing their conquest.
That speech the Woolwich butcher gave after beheading the British soldier could have been given by Obama. We, the United States, create Muslim terrorists by killing Muslims in their own lands. In fact, Obama has given similar speeches when expressing his opposition to the Iraq war.
And of course it was an American who caused the violence across the Muslim world on 9/11/2012 with a hateful video. Oh, have you heard? Obama’s DoJ says that posting “anti-Muslim” comments on social media is a civil rights violation.
http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/31/justice-department-to-hold-seminar-warni
All the scandals are just different manifestations of his leftist worldview and Cook County machine training. The main problem in the world is America. And the main problem with America is the wrong kind of Americans.
All the scandals stem from that. So we’ll keep giving away billions to the MB and Hamas and demonstrating that an alliance with the US is a liability (Dr. Afridi, Hosni Mubarak, and even Qaddaffi who just came to an accommodation with us, are testimony to that). Far better to ally yourself with Russia, China, and Iran (Bashar Assad is testimony to that).
But no worries. All will be set right when Obama fixes the “root cause” of the world’s problems. Americans who disagree with Barack Obama.
Steve57 (9b1cdb) — 6/1/2013 @ 10:06 amthe murderous FBI thuggy thug what busted some caps in the formerly-alive young muslim man who was making his confession might would enjoy the refreshing taste what you get when you mix America’s favorite beer with the zest of Mott’s Clamato Tomato Cocktail From Concentrate
me I’m a just have another coffee i think
happyfeet (8ce051) — 6/1/2013 @ 11:10 amMaybe outing this guy wasn’t stupidity. Just sayin’
glenn (647d76) — 6/1/2013 @ 11:19 amI agree, glenn. Perfidy not stupidity. Obama is the kind of leftist who would view Dr. Afridi as a traitor for aiding the US.
He doesn’t want people helping the US, whether willingly like Dr. Afridi or under duress like the underwear bomber or Dzhokar Tsarnaev. Hence the rapid mirandizing to shut them up.
He’ll kill people in a drone strike before allowing them to fall into our hands were they might provide information. Right now the FBI (reluctantly) has revealed there are five persons on interest they say they want to talk to. They released the photos. The AP reports the Obama administration knows where they are and there is sufficient evidence to seize them as enemy combatants and place them in military custody and question them. But there isn’t sufficient evidence to prosecute them in the civilian justice system. So the Obama administration is leaving them alone.
In other words, the Obama administration doesn’t want the intelligence they could provide.
This is the effect of Obama’s kill-not-capture policy. Intelligence officials say that humint on AQ basically has dried up. They have to act on intel that was collected under Bush.
So while Obama is posturing as strong on national defense, in reality he’s crippling our ability to defend the country. He’s using the security apparatus he “inherited” to destroy it and any future President’s ability to rebuild it. This can’t be by accident.
Steve57 (9b1cdb) — 6/1/2013 @ 11:41 am*five persons
onof interest*And they’re persons of interest in their investigation into Benghazi.
Steve57 (9b1cdb) — 6/1/2013 @ 11:43 amSomewhat in a similar vein,
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/05/31/192753/yemeni-journalist-abdulelah-haider.html#.UapKCpyXT4g
it does seem to be certain journalists, are verboten.
narciso (3fec35) — 6/1/2013 @ 12:24 pmCharles Krauthammer has an article up at NRO. Typically he fails to perceive the problem with Obama. He’s a sharp guy in many respects, but he refuses to entertain certain possibilities out of what can only be a mistaken instinct to be too generous to Obama.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/349733/obamas-dorothy-doctrine-charles-krauthammer
The answer to Krauthammer’s question is simple. He wants to deprive future President’s of the authority to do what he’s doing.
His policies are depriving future President’s of intelligence on which to act. Everything he’s claimed credit for including the OBL raid is in fact the fruit borne of intelligence he “inherited” from Bush. Whoever succeeds Obama won’t inherit any trove of intelligence from this guy. After 8 years of killing high value targets instead of interrogating them and there truly will be “no actionable intelligence.”
And now Obama that he’s deprived future Presidents of the basis on which to act he wants to deprive them of the authority to act.
Steve57 (9b1cdb) — 6/1/2013 @ 12:42 pmThe doctor was of no further use to Obama and his cronies. Therefore they had no interest in protecting him. This is emblematic of how progressives show their deeply caring souls.
pst314 (ae6bd1) — 6/1/2013 @ 2:02 pmOT but related to national security and loss of our freedom. Essentially everyone in the country is being spied on by DHS.
Revealed: Hundreds of words to avoid using online if you don’t want the government spying on you (and they include ‘pork’, ‘cloud’ and ‘Mexico’)
Department of Homeland Security forced to release list following freedom of information request
Agency insists it only looks for evidence of genuine threats to the U.S. and not for signs of general dissent
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2150281/REVEALED-Hundreds-words-avoid-using-online-dont-want-government-spying-you.html#ixzz1w1SkH6gY
Department of Homeland Security
National Operations Center
Media Monitoring Capability
Desktop Reference Binder
http://epic.org/foia/epic-v-dhs-media-monitoring/Analyst-Desktop-Binder-REDACTED.pdf
Check out the section beginning on page 20 listing all the words uttered online in blogs and social media that will ping you for DHS review.
in_awe (7c859a) — 6/1/2013 @ 2:54 pm——–
It is not uncommon for the UK press to reveal much of what is going on in the US that domestic media will not touch.
Moderate Muslims? Yeah I remember those mythical creatures.
peedoffamerican (c1642d) — 6/1/2013 @ 5:32 pmhttp://www.google.com/search?q=muslims+celebrating+9-11+in+streets&rls
And they are concerned about leaks!
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 6/1/2013 @ 6:20 pmSpeaking of terrorists and imprisonment, I heard a rumor that a bunch of the prisoners at Gitmo are on hunger strike.
I don’t much care, but I was wondering – why isn’t this being reported? Where are the details, and the expert analysis of the plight of those guys?
If Bush were president, we’d hear about it all day a la abu ghraib. But with Obama promising to close the place in a year (how long has he been president?) perhaps this is another story that won’t have ‘legs’.
Amphipolis (e01538) — 6/2/2013 @ 12:09 pmComment by Steve57 (9b1cdb) — 6/1/2013 ?@ 8:48 am
And we did have warning; the CIA had sent a cable to the Cairo embassy warning of the jihadist threats the same day King Putt was holding this meeting.
At 7:51 pm someone in the FBI – I think it’s “FBI Press” – complained or inquired about the word “we”
By 8:58 or 8:59 that had been changed to “The Agency” by somebody in the CIA.
I wasn’t keeping track of everything.
Stephen Hayes, in the May 27, 2013 issue of the Weekly Standard (his third article on the talking points)
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/what-about-video_724696.html
writes (and I don’t know if he checked to see what the social media actually said)
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/what-about-video_724696.html?page=2
Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42) — 6/2/2013 @ 1:43 pmSammy, I’ve said they used the YouTube video as a pretext. But the very word pretext means the it wasn’t the real reason.
State’s INR has desks devoted to reporting precisely what I’ve told the jihadists released in their press statement via El Fagr and other Cairo news outlets. INR is an integral part of what Rice called “the intelligence community.” If I knew, they knew. If they knew, CIA knew.
I’m sorry you’re having a hard time getting your mind around that fact, but there it is.
More to the point:
The Cairo assault wasn’t spontaneous. The intel community warned about it a day ahead of time at least, if the unclas talking points are to believed.
So on this issue it doesn’t matter what was in the CIA cable. The point is they reported about a threat to an embassy in the region. And the Obama administration did nothing to posture forces to respond to threats in the region. Had they done so, those forces that were in place to respond to the the actionable intelligence that predicted a threat in Cairo could have responded to the “spontaneous” violence in Benghazi.
There’s your dereliction. There’s your scandal. One can see the narrow “bureaucratic logic” disintegrate before your eyes.
I’ve already linked to a WH press release that’s still on the press office’s site dated 10 September 2012 that declared the Community Organizer-in-Chief was on the case and was ready for the anniversary of 9/11.
Even their excuses demonstrate he wasn’t.
Steve57 (9b1cdb) — 6/2/2013 @ 2:10 pmWell i’ve made the comparison to the film ‘Rules of Engagement, set in Yemen, released only months before the USS Cole bombing, the National Security advisor, suppresses the tape of the assault on the embassy in order to frame the marine unit commander, for the response to the mob attack
narciso (3fec35) — 6/2/2013 @ 2:13 pmObama Administration Stupidity
Blah, blah,blah,blah….Stupid shit to the max.
Comment by Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42) — (various dates and times)
Mama always said, “Stupid is as stupid does”.
Forrest Gump (c1890a) — 6/2/2013 @ 2:35 pmnarciso @32, an apt comparison given that every single scandal revolving around Obama has to do with his obsessive need to control the narrative and shift blame.
This was entirely foreseeable. The New Republic piece is no longer available, unfortunately, but here’s a 2008 post on HotAir about that and more.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/07/25/breaking-up-is-hard-to-do/
The fact of the matter is Obama is a nasty piece of work and always has been. The fundamental transformation of the country he has planned can not take place within the confines of the Constitution or in a country where people are allowed to ask questions or have sources other than the official Obama mouthpieces.
Obama cited his campaign as THE example of his executive experience. It certainly was. There isn’t anything he’s doing now that couldn’t have been predicted from the way he ran his campaign, up to and including how he had no freakin’ idea what Jeremiah Wright was saying in the church he faithfully attended.
No effin’ idea.
But more importantly the press knew his campaign narrative was a lied (Gabriel Sherman said exactly that in the TNR piece that is conveniently no longer available) but put up with the maltreatment and advanced the narrative anyway.
Now they’re upset by the DoJ spying? It’s hard to feel sympathy. I’m just not big enough to avoid saying “I told you so.”
Steve57 (9b1cdb) — 6/2/2013 @ 2:47 pmThe doctor no doubt received money from the CIA, that makes him an employee of the CIA and he was a covert employee on assignment in a foreign country unlike Valerie Plame who was just a glorified secretary in DC. It was claimed that exposing a covert CIA agent was a violation of the law then. Has the law changed or just the administration.
dunce (15d7dc) — 6/2/2013 @ 10:09 pmThe truth is,he mistake was NOT publicly confirming it, it was telling the Pakistani government privately.
Obama kept the whole thing secret from Pakistan until the mission was over, but then right after he revealed everything. That was the mistake.
Prosecutinmg him would mean that Pakistan – or its; rogue milkitary intelligene agency and/or corrupt people – had an interest in hiding bin Laden. In fact he was not prosecuted for that, but for something else. He was convicted by a tribal council of colluding with local militant group Lashkar-e-Islam. (Maybe that’s true, and this whole thing is even more complicated than we think)
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/05/31/us-to-blame-for-jailing-hero-bin-laden-doctor-says-pakistani-report/?test=latestnews#ixzz2VB6ow42O
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 6/3/2013 @ 11:15 am35. I think that law applies only to Americans. The doctor was never an employee.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 6/3/2013 @ 11:16 amComment by Steve57 (9b1cdb) — 6/2/2013 @ 2:10 pm
State’s INR has desks devoted to reporting precisely what I’ve told the jihadists released in their press statement via El Fagr and other Cairo news outlets. INR is an integral part of what Rice called “the intelligence community.” If I knew, they knew. If they knew, CIA knew.
Again, I’m talking about the cable taht was actually sent, not a cable that might ahve been sent in an alternate universe.
This cable is mentioned in the talking points data dump rioght at the start. (I had to read a zweekly Standard article to notice this)
http://i42.tinypic.com/2wn0cjt.jpg
This was sent out by someone at the CIA’s Office of Congressional Afffairs on Friday, September 14, 2012 and it lists the work that they need to do.
For the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence it’s
1) The “White Paper” (which is the “talking points”)
2) A paper on Green on Blue violence (which measns attacks by Afghan troops,r people in Afghan uniforms, on Americans) http://www.understandingwar.org/green-on-blue/
3) To contact the State Departmenmt’s Office of Legal Affairs for (help_ on questions about doicuemnt destruction at the consulate (presumably Benghazi)
Then, for the Director of the CIA, there are two jobs:
1) Cable(s) to [censored] warning of protests linked to the film and response
2) Cable to stations about 9/11 security.
Petraeus apparently wants to se both of them.
So now it looks like those cables talked about the protestsd BEFORE they happened and said it would be about the film.
Are these cables after Sept 11, 2012?
I’m sorry you’re having a hard time getting your mind around that fact, but there it is.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 6/3/2013 @ 11:27 amNeither am I talking about a cable that might have been sent in an alternate universe, Sammy. Neither am I.
The only alternate universe in this equation seems to be your own, in which a warning based upon a translation of a press release about a jihadist threat to a US embassy wouldn’t have been sent.
See, until I got out of the business I lived in the universe where that would happen.
Steve57 (9b1cdb) — 6/3/2013 @ 11:56 amOSINT, Sammy. You need to look it up. Open Source Intelligence. I didn’t invent it. The people you’re claiming only knew about the video but didn’t know what I know about the real reasons behind the jihadist threats to the Cairo embassy invented it.
Steve57 (9b1cdb) — 6/3/2013 @ 12:01 pm40. Comment by Steve57 (9b1cdb) — 6/3/2013 @ 12:01 pm
OSINT, Sammy. You need to look it up. Open Source Intelligence. I didn’t invent it. The people you’re claiming only knew about the video but didn’t know what I know about the real reasons behind the jihadist threats to the Cairo embassy invented it.
I’m not speaking of what they knew, or should have known, but what was in the content of the cable.
Here we have the list of Due-outs from HPSCI coffee, coming from the CIA’s Office of Congressional Affairs, dated Friday, September 14, 2012 11:29 am and it lists, among the jobs for teh Direcyor of central Intelligence and supposed to be sent to ODCIA (?)
I don’t know what NE stands for either.
http://i44.tinypic.com/3128ktf.jpg
Now those cables were sent some time before Friday, Sept 14 11:29 am and probably before September 11th 2012. The newer demonstrations hadn’t really gotten revved up by Sept 14. If they were warning of protests about the film AFTER the events in Benghazi, it’s even worse.
Further proof that those Sept 10 cable(s) to cairo talked about a protest linked to a video, and not about a protest about freeing the leader of the 1993 World Trade center bombers, Sheik Omar Abdul Rahman (who was convicted based on alater sting operation) or other jihadists, is this, on page 4 of the data dump:
http://i43.tinypic.com/9fs67o.jpg
Now this:
http://i44.tinypic.com/3128ktf.jpg,
written by the CIA’s Office of Terrorism Analysis later that afternoon of Sept. 14, says, in part:
Now the list of duo-outs had mentioned both cables related to 9/11 and to warnings about protests related to the film
Just like the second was before Sept. 11 so was the first and the Sept 10 cable talked about an upcoming protest about the film.
If not, why did the embassy tweet about the film? Did they get a cable saying: There’s going to a protest by jihadistys asking for the release of important prisoners, but go ahead and pretend publicly that it’s going to be about a Mohammed film?
If they got a cable that didn’t focus on the film why should USEmbassyCairo have tweeted about it??
And futhermore, what’s it doing here in the white paper/talking points? Pushback? No, it’s meant to back it up.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 6/3/2013 @ 1:30 pmThe one cable they referred to. As if there wasn’t other message traffic.
By all that is holy, Sammy, I swear that I think you’re a decent guy and I just want you to wake up.
Steve57 (9b1cdb) — 6/3/2013 @ 1:34 pmI’m not saying that people didn’t know better – maybe some did, and were moles.
Or they were too reliant on their sources of intelligence.
You know there’s the Obama rule of intelligence:
Facts, if they would prove inconvenient, require all other non-inconvenient possibilities to be eliminated FIRST.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 6/3/2013 @ 1:35 pm“I’m not speaking of what they knew, or should have known, but what was in the content of the cable”.
Comment by Steve57 (9b1cdb) — 6/3/2013 @ 1:34 pm
The one cable they referred to. As if there wasn’t other message traffic.
And what was that cable about?
http://i44.tinypic.com/3128ktf.jpg
It was a cable warning of protests linked to the film
When was that cablke sent?
Probably before Sept 11, like the the other cables about 9/11 security.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 6/3/2013 @ 1:37 pmComment by Steve57 (9b1cdb) — 6/3/2013 @ 1:34 pm
By all that is holy, Sammy, I swear that I think you’re a decent guy and I just want you to wake up.
I’m trying to get everybody else to wake up and they refuse to wake up and they continue to believe that the CIA, as a whole, was honest and competent. YOU even want to say that cable to Cairo did not focus on the video, when everything indicates that in fact it did.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 6/3/2013 @ 1:40 pmNow as for SOOPER SEKRIT INTELLIGENCE: That was what helped convince some that Benghazi was about the video, and started with a protest before the attack, because it was probably hitting them from all sorts of different directions.
From numerous supposedly independent sources.
The SOOPER SEKRIT INTELLIGENCE concerned Benghazi, not Cairo, and came after the fact.
Some of that was open source too, or not so highly classified. Reporters in Benghazi heard it too. It wasn’t the only thing they heard.
Some of it was highly classified. The talking points, at one stage mentioned intelligence partners </i
Susan Rice gets a whole repoort (all censored) about this. Only a little bit of the e-mail sent to her (the part that explained the history of the talking points, as the writer of the email saw it, was released.
The people in the White House believed it.
Nothing else really can explain it. You can’t even say it was a lie, because to go public with it would cause the lie to fall apart.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 6/3/2013 @ 1:42 pmThe Obama rule of intelligence:
Facts, if they would prove inconvenient, require all other non-inconvenient possibilities to be eliminated FIRST.
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He applies this to Iran’s nuclear weapons program, to Syria, to the prospects for success by Afghanistans army, all across the board.
He applies this also to domestic programs.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 6/3/2013 @ 1:44 pmSammy, I mean this with love. WTFO!
Steve57 (9b1cdb) — 6/3/2013 @ 1:49 pmBay of Pigs, Sammy, I’m under no illusions,
narciso (3fec35) — 6/3/2013 @ 1:50 pm48. I see the O stands for “Over” a historical way of ending radio transmissions when they could go only one way at a time.
That is the Obama rule of intelligence analysis:
Inconvenient conclusions require proof that more convenient ones are false. You hear it all the time out of his own mouth.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 6/4/2013 @ 12:49 pmIf that was their only failure:
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/06/05/did-panetta-leak-classified-info-to-zero-dark-thirty-filmmakers/
narciso (3fec35) — 6/5/2013 @ 3:42 pmI am Confused..
How can any African person belong to Islam?
do you know ..
Islam has a 1400 year of trading African slaves that started with Mohammad who had his own African slaves. Estimated 200 million Africans have died as slaves over the last 1400 years.. This does not include the number killed in the raids to capture the women and children.
Do you know that Islam still to this day promotes African slaves.. The quran means slavery forever..
Do you know that African males were often fully castrated.. so they can be more easily controlled and they can not have sex with the women they are made to guard.
This African is selling all his African brothers into slavery forever..
Jo Concerned (7cd307) — 6/5/2013 @ 4:06 pmWhich language is Sammy speaking?
JD (b63a52) — 6/5/2013 @ 4:20 pmJD, beats me.
SPQR (768505) — 6/5/2013 @ 4:31 pmConversational ferengi, best guess’
narciso (3fec35) — 6/5/2013 @ 4:33 pm