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::ragetoon face:: Okay.

SarahW (b0e533) — 5/7/2013 @ 8:11 pm

i tend to think of this more as Comedy Central boy’s smarmy condescending jailbird sister loses

happyfeet (8ce051) — 5/7/2013 @ 8:22 pm

Bill Clinton. Whatever.

Dana (292dcf) — 5/7/2013 @ 8:34 pm

Sanford did win; the integrity of the Republican party and those who support values lost.

bridget (84c06f) — 5/7/2013 @ 8:36 pm

it’s just the house of representatives bridget it’s not like he got elected to anything repectable

happyfeet (8ce051) — 5/7/2013 @ 8:38 pm

*respectable* I mean

happyfeet (8ce051) — 5/7/2013 @ 8:38 pm

R.I.P. Ray Harryhausen, stop-motion special effects master

Icy (4b226c) — 5/7/2013 @ 8:46 pm

Since both candidates had issues with “values” I’m not unhappy that Sanford won. South Carolinians obviously are not as impressed with celebrity and celeb family associations as those on the coasts (and Minnesota) tend to be.

And I doubt the (former) state Dem chairman’s racist attack on Gov. Nikki Haley played very well there either or gave people warm fuzzies about Democrats in general just days before the election.

elissa (11728d) — 5/7/2013 @ 8:55 pm

PPP poll has outed itself as a shill for democrats, again?

Two weeks ago they told the SC public that Sanford was 9 points behind Colbert Busch, the sister of a tv twit vying for her first bid at office, in another PPP poll.

Yesterday they said Sanford and Comedy Central candidate were virtually tied.

And today Sanford wins by 9 points.

I guess there must be a lot of fellas in South Carolina with a girlfriend in Argentina.

papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/7/2013 @ 9:01 pm

So, the voters preferred the philanderer vs. the Nancy Pelosi disciple? Maybe I shouldn’t be, but I am OK with that.

sybilll (214935) — 5/7/2013 @ 9:16 pm

I’m sorry to hear about Ray Harryhousen. When I was six or seven his harpies scared the heck out of me. Of course, at the time, I had no idea who managed to out-freak the flying monkeys.

On a lighter note, if you type “idiot Florida Congressman” into the search line in Chrome, the second result comes up with Alan Grayson. The first refers to Allen West. Google apparently has a hard time keeping up.

Back to the subject, though, I know virtually nothing about Sanford except his South American adventures.

In my opinion, it will be better to have another R in Congress, regardless of his bad personal judgment. The RNC should start promoting itself as the party of fun times in Buenos Aries.

The Pope can’t be wrong. Nancy Pelosi on the other hand…

Ag80 (19f299) — 5/7/2013 @ 9:23 pm

As far as I know Sanford was generally thought to be a pretty good and competent congressman and then a pretty popular and effective governor. His recent crash and burn as a politician was related to his overactive hormones and high school crush-like midlife crisis which led to very bad judgement– not the sorts of criminal and thuggy things that usually get pols in trouble. The people of S.C. apparently are ready to forgive him.

elissa (11728d) — 5/7/2013 @ 9:38 pm

his ex-wife looks to needs a lil more time

happyfeet (8ce051) — 5/7/2013 @ 9:40 pm

Yeah, but she’s only one vote, feets.

elissa (11728d) — 5/7/2013 @ 9:42 pm

Campaign musics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBR6ndAwJJs

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/7/2013 @ 9:43 pm

Happiest man in the country tonight?

Anthony Weiner.

gahrie (3fff08) — 5/7/2013 @ 9:44 pm

Darleen’s post on the matter is not to be missed

http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=49073

happyfeet (8ce051) — 5/7/2013 @ 9:45 pm

Holy Stuff, iowahawk wins the twitter by a mile.

Ag80 (19f299) — 5/7/2013 @ 9:49 pm

Planning to marry your paramour after legally divorcing your wife is not the same as sending declasse meat tweets to bimbos over the internet, gahrie. Mr. Weiner should be careful not to over-interpret the Sanford victory tonight, I think.

elissa (11728d) — 5/7/2013 @ 9:53 pm

tweeteth not thy meat and deliver yourself a dalmation

happyfeet (8ce051) — 5/7/2013 @ 9:55 pm

gahrie:

Weiner still has a problem. A big problem. He insulted his wife. His wife is one of Hillary’s best friends.

If Hillary says he’s good to go, he will be the next mayor of New York. I have no idea how big that if is.

Ag80 (19f299) — 5/7/2013 @ 9:56 pm

So will Meghan’s daddy and mommy think Iowahawk’s observation is funny? (I actually think they might.)

elissa (11728d) — 5/7/2013 @ 9:57 pm

Anyone see Meggy Mac get pounded on twitter? Freakin hilarious. She’s all “you republicans who vote for Sanford and against gay marriage are hypocrites!!”

Then iowahawk and others pointed out that if it weren’t for scumbag politicians stepping out on their wives, she would’ve never been born. Ca-lassic.

Ghost (2d8874) — 5/7/2013 @ 10:00 pm

Polls are funny things.

I actually think that statistical analysis is valid.

American polls leave me bamfoozeled.

Ag80 (19f299) — 5/7/2013 @ 10:12 pm

Happiest man in the country tonight?

Anthony Weiner.

No, he has been in high-hog heaven for over 20 years, since his ilk made Bill Clinton — among others — one of the legends and heroes of the Democrat Party.

Politicians of the left know that most liberals care mainly about upholding liberalism, and making sure everyone weeps over the idea of various forms of do-gooderism — no matter how corrupt or distorted — becoming marginalized in society. So honesty and integrity have always taken a back seat to such people.

Keep in mind that, for example, most trial lawyers are of the left, or favor politicians of the left.

Mark (dd66de) — 5/7/2013 @ 10:33 pm

Holy Stuff, iowahawk wins the twitter by a mile.

And how would this be different from any other random day of the year?

Seriously though, the Sanford win at least makes Stephen Colbert a little bit less smug, right? And that has to be a good thing.

I know there was talk that a Sanford win would be bad for the GOP because it means that we are probably stuck with him in the seat, whereas a Colbert win would be short-lived and would give the GOP a chance to find a much better candidate to beat her in 2014. That makes sense, but another thought that I read somewhere (my bad for not remembering exactly where) is that the Sanford win may be a signal to the heavy liberal donors that they can forget taking back the House in 2014, whereas a Colbert win might have really motivated them to start spewing the big bucks into the Democrat coffers. We’ll see if that is actually the case.

JVW (4826a9) — 5/7/2013 @ 10:47 pm

If Facebook was invented for George Takai, then Twitter was invented for iowahawk.

JVW (4826a9) — 5/7/2013 @ 10:47 pm

So will Meghan’s daddy and mommy think Iowahawk’s observation is funny? (I actually think they might.)

I dislike McCain a whole lot less than a lot of my allies on the right (or I guess I am saying that I like him more than they do) so a part of me thinks that he would probably chuckle at the iowahawk tweet.

JVW (4826a9) — 5/7/2013 @ 10:57 pm

McCain never met a Republican plan he wouldn’t sabotage.

Ken in Camarillo (2c0dee) — 5/7/2013 @ 11:30 pm

The voters has a choice between a louse and a loon. The voters lost, because there was no choice under which they could have won. It might be argued that they lost less badly than they would have had Mrs Busch won, though I would not argue that.

The realistic Dana (3e4784) — 5/8/2013 @ 4:53 am

Think he will get primaried next go round?

SarahW (b0e533) — 5/8/2013 @ 5:30 am

Planning to marry your paramour after legally divorcing your wife is not the same as sending declasse meat tweets to bimbos over the internet, gahrie. Mr. Weiner should be careful not to over-interpret the Sanford victory tonight, I think.

Comment by elissa (11728d) — 5/7/2013 @ 9:53 pm

What Sanford did was worse. As I explained to retired Dallas/San Francisco talkhost David Gold on his Facebook page before results started coming in:

It’s bad enough he’s cheating on his wife. But that’s a run-of-the-mill character flaw at that level of government (Newt Gingrich, David Vitter, Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, etc.) [On the other hand], Sanford a) blew off his entire staff b) blew off his own family c) on Father’s Day and d) flew 5000 miles away e) to spend the weekend in Buenos Aires f) with his mistress g) under the guise of hiking alone in the mountains.

That’s more than just several indications of deep personality faults, that’s a frigging ethical earthquake.

Forgiveness? That’s for his wife, kids, and family to do. I am under no obligation nor any pressure to forgive him. Repentance? Doesn’t matter. He can repent on someone else’s dime. The only way to know if he’s truly repentant is to give him the opportunity to abuse his power and privilege again. I am not sure I could do that. I’m glad it’s out of my hands.

It makes me as sick to watch Sanford invoke constantly invoke God in the wake of his victory almost as much as it did to watch the Baltimore Ravens’ Ray Lewis do the same. After spending countless hours pounding on a keyboard explaining the reasons why no politician can be completely trusted and a cheating politician even less, I am unable to tolerate people who correlate their forgiveness or acknowledgement of his alleged repentance with giving him governmental power over them again.

L.N. Smithee (8dd57e) — 5/8/2013 @ 5:47 am

“Hiking the Appalachian Trail” was hilarious to a dirty-minded old man like me. I thought, ‘that’s a very uncomplimentary thing to say about the [Argentinian] lady’. Sanford is indeed a dips**t, a laughingstock, and nobody I want passing laws telling me what to do.

nk (875f57) — 5/8/2013 @ 6:33 am

I wasn’t opposed to Mr Sanford due to his adultery; if adultery was disqualifying, we’d have to kick out everyone in Congress, which would probably be a good thing. My problem with him is that he abandoned his post.

He could have taken a vacation, he could have turned power over to his Lieutenant Governor, and then it wouldn’t have constituted abandoning his post . . . but he didn’t do that. That he thought that he could actually get away with it tells me that he’s just plain dumb.

But what does it say about Elizabeth Colbert Busch that, even with a pot of money to spend on the campaign, and a national GOP which withdrew resources from Mr Sanford’s campaign, she still got her butt kicked by a close to landslide margin? Famous name, plenty of money, support from the media, and she still lost, and lost big.

Of course, she supported gun control; maybe, just maybe, it was actually her position on the issues that hurt.

The practical Dana (3e4784) — 5/8/2013 @ 6:36 am

nk: Does that mean that “hiking the Appalachian Trail” will join “taking a wide stance” in our political lexicon? 🙂

The snarky Dana (3e4784) — 5/8/2013 @ 6:38 am

Of course, it’s always possible that the voters of SC-1 were just happy that Mr Sanford was at least cheating with another woman, and not a man.

The heterosexist Dana (3e4784) — 5/8/2013 @ 6:40 am

I think of “I have a wide stance” Craig every time I see a golfer using the “new” anchored four-foot putters. Curse you, Craig. 😉

nk (875f57) — 5/8/2013 @ 6:50 am

“My problem with him is that he abandoned his post.”

My problem with him is also not the adultery per se. It’s his flakey-ness on the job that appears to stem from self-absorption, and selfishness and foolishness that bothers me.

SarahW (b0e533) — 5/8/2013 @ 7:00 am

nk: The obvious solution is to quit watching golf!

The NASCAR fan Dana (3e4784) — 5/8/2013 @ 7:11 am

34. I also think it’s just possible that the voters of South Carolina have gotten royally pis*sed off at all the outside money, media attention, talk show mocking, editorializing and pontificating by outsiders to their state. That includes well-intentioned outsiders on both sides who South Carolinians could clearly see had other things to “gain” or to “prove” than who might actually be the better person to represent these constituents with respect to their immediate localized needs as well as larger national issues.

The increasing attempts by outside political interests and outside special interests to intimidate and manipulate local/state voters and ~~buy~~ secure votes is not healthy. It does not make me happy and gives me concerns about hope for our representative democracy. We’ve seen this recently in many states but special elections in Wisconsin and Illinois which were absolutely dominated by outsiders come to mind.

I sincerely hope Representative-elect Sanford has gotten over his personal crisis and merits the voters’ apparent trust in him to act on their best interests in the U.S. Congress during a key time in our nation’s history. Sanford won both the primary and the general. Now he deserves his chance.

elissa (320385) — 5/8/2013 @ 7:35 am

I had two posts on this.

First, i demonstrate Meghan McCain is a shallow hypocrite, here. i know, hard work.

And second, i point out that there was much less to the race than met the eye, here.

Aaron "Worthing" Walker (23789b) — 5/8/2013 @ 7:43 am

happy that Mr Sanford was at least cheating with another woman, and not a man.

Ba-da-bump.

Society has become so desensitized that it’s anyone’s guess where the goal posts will be moved in the future. But it will be a sign of how very bad things have become if Sanford ever is feted by the Republican Party the way that Bill Clinton (among other liberals–eg, Ted Kennedy) is by the Democrat Party.

Mark (9ba6f2) — 5/8/2013 @ 7:45 am

He could have taken a vacation, he could have turned power over to his Lieutenant Governor, and then it wouldn’t have constituted abandoning his post . . . but he didn’t do that. That he thought that he could actually get away with it tells me that he’s just plain dumb.

Comment by The practical Dana (3e4784) — 5/8/2013 @ 6:36 am

Exactly! More importantly, IMHO, he thought his constituency was dumber, and now, I think he’s got some backup for that opinion.

L.N. Smithee (8dd57e) — 5/8/2013 @ 7:58 am

But what does it say about Elizabeth Colbert Busch that, even with a pot of money to spend on the campaign, and a national GOP which withdrew resources from Mr Sanford’s campaign, she still got her butt kicked by a close to landslide margin? Famous name, plenty of money, support from the media, and she still lost, and lost big.

Hopefully this will lead deep-pocketed liberal donors to conclude that winning GOP seats in 2014 is unlikely, and that they need to focus their efforts (and cash) on defending current Democrat seats.

JVW (4826a9) — 5/8/2013 @ 8:20 am

I sincerely hope Representative-elect Sanford has gotten over his personal crisis and merits the voters’ apparent trust in him to act on their best interests in the U.S. Congress during a key time in our nation’s history. Sanford won both the primary and the general. Now he deserves his chance.

Comment by elissa (320385) — 5/8/2013 @ 7:35 am

“Gotten over his personal crisis”?

Not to equate the situations, but such talk reminds me of the Mary Kay Letourneau case, in which a teacher and married mother of five found her “soul mate” in her sixth-grade class: Vili Fualaau, a 13-year-old troublemaker. She violated terms of her parole for child rape by resuming intercourse with the still underage boy, got pregnant, went back into the clink, and bore his child. Serving the maximum of her sentence, she and Fualaau had a lavish wedding taped by Entertainment Tonight, who paid a reported $750,000 for the rights and a week’s worth of interviews.

There are some who shrug and say “all’s well that ends well” because they are still married and have their own family. As one of her close friends was quoted as saying, “She’s not a pedophile. She’s a Vili-phile!” Awwwww. The conventional wisdom is that she was obviously in a troubled marriage with the father of her FIVE kids, or else a little punk couldn’t have broken it up. So Letourneau’s “gotten over her personal crisis.”

Oh yeah, what about Steve Letourneau, her ex? I don’t know that his crisis has ended, since he’s now in the history books (and Google and Wikipedia) as The Guy Who Lost His Wife To a Sixth-Grader and doubtless is whispered about everywhere he goes. On a larger scale, it seems turning Mary Kay Letourneau into a folk heroine pretty much opened the floodgates to young female teachers sometimes treating the boys in their classes like executives on Mad Men treat the secretarial pool.

L.N. Smithee (8dd57e) — 5/8/2013 @ 8:34 am

If he had run off with a male lover he would have been lauded by the media as courageous, and his wife would have been expected to understand.

Amphipolis (d3e04f) — 5/8/2013 @ 8:40 am

You are correct, L.N., that one really cannot equate those situations.

elissa (320385) — 5/8/2013 @ 8:42 am

If he had run off with a male lover he would have been lauded by the media as courageous, and his wife would have been expected to understand.

True, along with the “GOP lawmaker forced to live a lie because of the intolerance of his party” angle.

JVW (4826a9) — 5/8/2013 @ 9:06 am

a national GOP which withdrew resources from Mr Sanford’s campaign

Comment by The practical Dana (3e4784) — 5/8/2013 @ 6:36 am

Why did they withdrew?

Gerald A (fd4d6e) — 5/8/2013 @ 9:32 am

Mr Smithee wrote:

On a larger scale, it seems turning Mary Kay Letourneau into a folk heroine pretty much opened the floodgates to young female teachers sometimes treating the boys in their classes like executives on Mad Men treat the secretarial pool.

That assumes that such things would not have occurred with such frequency had the lovely Mrs Letourneau not fallen in lust with her student. But the results for Mrs Letourneau personally would hardly have been encouraging to anyone considering the same personal path were that someone to do something really radical like employ logic or critical thinking skills. There is simply no way to understand these cases without applying that famous psychological term, Just Plain Nuts, to the perpetrators.

The psychologist Dana (3e4784) — 5/8/2013 @ 10:31 am

Mr A, here’s the story.

The journalist Dana (3e4784) — 5/8/2013 @ 10:33 am

Thanks Dana. It seems like they were writing him off, which looks incompetent. Either they didn’t poll or they had bad polling.

Gerald A (fd4d6e) — 5/8/2013 @ 11:04 am

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