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4/24/2013

Bomber Received Welfare

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:27 am



As iowahawk says:

Wonderful.

Marathon bombings mastermind Tamerlan Tsarnaev was living on taxpayer-funded state welfare benefits even as he was delving deep into the world of radical anti-American Islamism, the Herald has learned.

State officials confirmed last night that Tsarnaev, slain in a raging gun battle with police last Friday, was receiving benefits along with his wife, Katherine Russell Tsarnaev, and their 3-year-old daughter. The state’s Executive Office of Health and Human Services said those benefits ended in 2012 when the couple stopped meeting income eligibility limits. Russell Tsarnaev’s attorney has claimed Katherine — who had converted to Islam — was working up to 80 hours a week as a home health aide while Tsarnaev stayed at home.

Lefties will no doubt claim this is a one-off, and that it is silly to attack welfare because one terrorist was sucking up benefits from the state. Wake up and smell the triple mocha non-fat decaf latte, lefties. Go to any criminal courthouse and watch the people streaming in and out. By and large, they are the same people streaming in and out of welfare offices at the first of every month. We are funding a criminal underclass, and Tsarnaev is just one particularly violent example. This is a daily problem.

Meanwhile, we have “jobs Americans won’t do” which serve as a magnet for illegal immigrants to come here and work . . . only to discover that the phony documents they use to get those jobs will get them welfare benefits too — and as long as they make it here, some Republican idiots will eventually agree to let them stay here legally, so they can vote for more of those benefits in perpetuity.

Great country we have here, huh?

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82 Responses to “Bomber Received Welfare”

  1. The liberal dream: a minority religion couple, on welfare, with the woman working 80 hours a week while the man loafs around.

    Sorry, but what kind of actual man lets his wife work herself to the bone while sitting on his arse?

    (Do we know what kind of welfare?)

    bridget (a1131e)

  2. They (the bombers and their parents) likely got into the system because of their refugee visas. Russian refugees get special treatment everywhere. You should see them in Skokie buying groceries with food stamps and putting them in the trunk of their Cadillac. (Where’s Milhouse?)

    If it was only subsistence, food stamps and housing, maybe CHIP for the kid, I don’t care. And, after all, they did get out, they just got a hand up for a while.

    nk (875f57)

  3. I see at Boston Herald website that he also had a public defender when he ran into that little domestic abuse kerfuffle a couple years back. What a great country.

    elissa (7f24c1)

  4. I am shocked, shocked I say to learn that immigrants come to the US and game the system!

    AZ Bob (c11d35)

  5. So in this specific case, taxpayer dollars paid to fund their travel, training in Chechnya, and the materials to build the bombs.

    JD (b63a52)

  6. “The liberal dream: a minority religion couple, on welfare, with the woman working 80 hours a week while the man loafs around.”

    – bridget

    And I dream in the morning/
    that she brings me water/
    and I dream in the evening/
    that she brings me wine/
    just a poor man’s daughter/
    from Puerto Penasco/
    Evangelina – Oh, Mexico!

    Leviticus (1aca67)

  7. We are funding a criminal underclass…

    Also, they were driving on roads paved with our tax dollars and using the United States mail. We need to end these programs for both law-abiding and non-law-abiding citizens alike, because the best way for American to prevent people from become radicalized is to turn its back on them.

    Kman (5576bf)

  8. he also had a public defender when he ran into that little domestic abuse kerfuffle a couple years back. What a great country.

    And the baby will have a federal defender team, now. And I would have no problem being on it, if I am back on my feet by the time the case goes to trial. I have never tried a federal jury and it was my intent to volunteer with the local federal defender as a second chair … until other things happened. Even a werewolf deserves a fair trial.

    (You were asking what makes a lawyer on another thread. 😉 )

    nk (875f57)

  9. Russell Tsarnaev’s attorney has claimed Katherine — who had converted to Islam — was working up to 80 hours a week as a home health aide while Tsarnaev stayed at home.

    A home health aide for the three-year old daughter perhaps? That seems to be the new trick that the left is foisting upon all of us: paying family members to look after their own kin, whether it be their child or a sick or aged adult. The caregiver has to get some sort of certification from the local community college, which is a boon to the left-leaning academic establishment, and in return the taxpayer pays the newly-certified caregiver to do what human beings have been doing for the last million years.

    JVW (4826a9)

  10. What was explained to be by a Pole a long time ago is that people who lived under a repressive commie regime learn to view the government as simply another gang to either be joined, avoided or fleeced. Get what you can n the scam and move on. In NY, medicare, real estate, financial and insurance fraud are growth industries for Russian emigres. If you’re going to set up these social welfare programs these people will exploit them at every turn, and they are hardly alone. Seeing Russians wearing furs on super market lines using EBT cards and food stamps is a feature of daily life. And why not? Uncle Obango and Aunt Zetuni aren’t going home any
    time soon.

    Bugg (b32862)

  11. 8. Ya know, there’s no way to keep up with these schemes.

    Time to admit defeat and take the next frontier. A couple hundred of us can swat Ottawa. It’ll be easy, done before lunch.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  12. I believe that had this completely able bodied man been required to get a job in order to survive, he would not have turned to terrorism.

    Work can socialize someone, at least somewhat. I also notice that *all* of the deranged weirdos online seem to be unemployed. As they get more deranged, they start to become unemployable and dependent on the work of others. That is undignified and I’m not surprised when it corrupts a person.

    We should either have the ADA or welfare. Pick one, and eliminate the other. I’d prefer the ADA.

    Dustin (2da3a2)

  13. Comment by Bugg (b32862) — 4/24/2013 @ 10:16 am

    I can see that.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  14. I am back on my feet by the time the case goes to trial.

    nk, I like your confidence. I’ll pray for your recovery.

    Even a werewolf deserves a fair trial.

    That’s what separates America from the Irans and the Chinas of the world. And as a practical matter, the state has nothing to be afraid of in being required to prove its case against this loser.

    Dustin (2da3a2)

  15. 5.So in this specific case, taxpayer dollars paid to fund their travel, training in Chechnya, and the materials to build the bombs.

    if only they had even stricter gun control laws..

    E.PWJ (c3dbb4)

  16. “Sorry, but what kind of actual man lets his wife work herself to the bone while sitting on his arse?”

    bridget – A smart one, duh.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  17. “And as a practical matter, the state has nothing to be afraid of in being required to prove its case against this loser.”

    – Dustin

    Especially since it can (and will) detain him for the rest of his life even if it can’t prove that case.

    Hope & Change!

    Leviticus (1aca67)

  18. Especially since it can (and will) detain him for the rest of his life even if it can’t prove that case.

    Yeah, you’re almost certainly right. That’s not acceptable. At some point, and I don’t mean some indefinite point, the state needs to prove a case against someone they are holding.

    The indefinite war on terror has changed what it means to be at war, and that means we need to refine our concepts in order to remain a fair society. And the really bad guys like this one were throwing bombs at cops… it is not exactly difficult to convict them.

    I don’t understand why it takes so long to get these cases through the system. Nidal Hasan left survivors (witnesses) to his crime. The trial shouldn’t take more than a week, and should have occurred ages ago. I wonder if part of the reason is to try to hide that we’re at war at all, but that may be unfair.

    Dustin (2da3a2)

  19. “The indefinite war on terror has changed what it means to be at war, and that means we need to refine our concepts in order to remain a fair society.”

    – Dustin

    I think I would turn that around and say that our perfectly adequate traditional notions of what it means to be a fair society preclude something so vague as an “indefinite war on terror.” The principles of Due Process haven’t changed; the rhetoric for circumventing them has.

    Leviticus (1aca67)

  20. There are so many immigrants who come not to work but the system. Sad fact. Many only learn the game after they come here via Social Services pumping up the freebies.

    All Conservatives can do in the short run is appeal to those who do not and peel off the ones repulsed by them.

    Rodney King's Spirit (ae12ec)

  21. The Levick Group, and the CCR, stonewalled these cases from word one, Mayer, Rosemberg, Shane, Bravin, pick your publication, were a willing audience,

    narciso (3fec35)

  22. “The indefinite war on terror has changed what it means to be at war, and that means we need to refine our concepts in order to remain a fair society.”

    Dustin – But it never affected rules regarding the detention of foreign prisoners, regardless of what liberals may have you believe. We had situations arise during the 1970s when American mercenaries were captured in Africa when basically the only tool at our disposal to secure their release or prevent their execution was negotiation and moral suasion.

    The only debate we are having now is what happens when the conflict moves to our own shores and whether or not it involves our own citizens.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  23. Leviticus

    Take the plight of American Indians, they were kept in indefinite incarceration many times without trial for attacks upon the US citizenry.

    One can look at the grand jury system especially in Texas as another example of power wielded in secret.

    E.PWJ (c3dbb4)

  24. It’s ironic, daley, because the administration used the same precedents that apparently weren’t good enough for tribunal, to justify targeting with drones,

    narciso (3fec35)

  25. narciso – I consider our drone policy an internal policy issue rather than something based upon international law and convention such as principles regarding prisoner detention that I raised above.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  26. True, but you can reverse a tribunal, a drone strike you can’t really call back,

    narciso (3fec35)

  27. Things have changed. For many years just a few people had no significant ability to kill many people at once, and even those possibilities were limited primarily to criminals who had criminal intentions.
    If you want to say nothing has changed, you really need to accept the possibility of a poison gas attack in the NYC or DC subway systems or other such “man-made disasters” of huge proportions and the resulting distress of those attacks. When people are afraid to take the subway it is not a free society either.
    In spite of truth in Franklin’s famous quote, a society is not free unless there is a degree of security.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  28. Nothing is an apolitical decision for this president, including drone strikes vs arguing over interrogation protocol. no prisoners no arguing over Miranda or not, enhanced techniques or not, etc.

    But if they all sat down with some Levitical posolo maybe there would be peace for a little while. Thanks for the recipe. 😉

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  29. No problem. Posole is NM soul food. I hope it turned out well.

    Leviticus (1aca67)

  30. Yet the state of NY can figure out within a month if someone who has a firearms license is on anti-depressant medication and seize his guns.

    What a country!

    Steve57 (da9e0e)

  31. Yes, yes it did.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  32. http://lonelyconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Tamerlan-Tsarnaev.jpg

    Tamerlan Tsarnaev, parking his Benz outside the gym to go train for boxing wearing his trendy clothes and taking a pic of himself on his cell phone.

    All on the taxpayer dime.

    The FBI can get multiple calls about this guy and can’t quite grasp it’s own arse with both hands.

    Maybe we can’t secure our borders and otherwise deal with people who are in this country under false pretenses because the feds are too busy trying to keep tabs on veterans and trying to contrive ways to prevent them from buying guns. Hmm?

    Maybe if they cut that crap out and, oh by the way, followed up on tips from foreign intelligence services or in the case of the Christmas Bomber over Detroit his own dad something useful might get done.

    But, no. The Obama administration desperately wants to worry about right wing extremism. And no amount of reality will get in the way of that.

    Steve57 (da9e0e)

  33. http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Tamerlan-Tsarnaev-boxing-american-flag.jpg

    See that flag behind this guy? It’s like the Mary Kay cosmetics sign on a car.

    Steve57 (da9e0e)

  34. Excellent post. We should be doing something about that alleged three year old child. We should not only not give her any benefits, we should slaughter her and use her for food. We have a shortage of good meat in this county and tender young children would make a good source of tasty protein. I think Jonathan Swift had this idea, but it was never put to good use.

    joe5348 (f62ce8)

  35. Get help, joe5348.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  36. Tamerlan Tsarnaev? The gub’mint just couldn’t figure him out.

    This guy they could find:

    ‘No-fly’ list delays Marine’s Iraq homecoming

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/12284855/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/no-fly-list-delays-marines-iraq-homecoming/#.UXhBfcqnczg

    MINNEAPOLIS — A Minnesota reservist who spent the past eight months in Iraq was told he couldn’t board a plane to Minneapolis because his name appeared on a “no-fly” list as a possible terrorist.

    …Brown, 32, of Coon Rapids, was returning from service in the Al-Anbar province of Iraq, known as the dangerous Sunni Triangle. He ran into problems at the Los Angeles airport on Tuesday morning.

    “I was told it was going to take some time because they informed me I was on a government watch list,” Brown said. “People at the Northwest counter said they had to call somebody to get me cleared.”

    The presence of Brown’s name on the watch list apparently resulted from an airport incident when he was on his way to Iraq.

    He was trying to board a plane last June for training in California before heading to Iraq in September. But Transportation Security Administration screeners found gunpowder residue on his boots — likely left over from a previous two-month tour in Iraq.

    Tamerlan Tsarnaev? Never heard of him. But Staff SGT. Brown, USMC, is in the system.

    Steve57 (da9e0e)

  37. Personally I think if a Marine’s boots don’t test positive for gunpowder they need to inspect his M-16 for cobwebs and otherwise wonder what they’re paying him for.

    But that’s your government hard at work. Welcome back from the sandbox, Marine! And we hate to tell you this but we can’t let you on that plane. Because analysis of your boots shows you’ve been walking around the the ‘stans.

    Steve57 (da9e0e)

  38. Go to any criminal courthouse and watch the people streaming in and out. By and large, they are the same people streaming in and out of welfare offices at the first of every month. We are funding a criminal underclass, and Tsarnaev is just one particularly violent example.

    What a amazing statement of pure bigotry and plain assholery.

    purusha (65cffb)

  39. Joe and purusha are quite transparent.

    JD (b63a52)

  40. Not at all, purusha. It’s a true statement in a politically correct-obsessed world.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  41. 37. Go to any criminal courthouse and watch the people streaming in and out. By and large, they are the same people streaming in and out of welfare offices at the first of every month. We are funding a criminal underclass, and Tsarnaev is just one particularly violent example.

    What a amazing statement of pure bigotry and plain assholery.

    Comment by purusha (65cffb) — 4/24/2013 @ 1:45 pm

    Accuracy and experience is wolfbane to the left. Note purusha can not simply say whomever said the above is wrong. Note purusha can not prove the earlier comment to be wrong.

    No. purusha has to call him a bigot and an a**hole. Which is supposed to carry weight based on what? purusha’s moral authority? Don’t think so, you little jerk off. You have none.

    Here’s a thought. Why don’t you check to see if there is a correlation between crime and welfare. And not one of those fake “advocacy disguised as a study” studies. You might be disappointed. I know certain professors who hoped that by dispersing section 8 housing throughout cities were disappointed the result wasn’t that the welfare recipients learned middle-class upwardly-mobile habits. They just dispersed crime.

    The truth isn’t “bigoted” or “assholery.” You don’t like what someone says, then come back with the truth. Or at least as close as you can get to it. Because you’re not helping anybody otherwise. Least of all the people you’re purporting to defend. Who could actually use some help. If, that is, you were more concerned about figuring out how to help them than stroking your ego.

    Steve57 (da9e0e)

  42. https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog

    Dave Burge’s twitterfeed is indispensable. As he points out 16 year old Mitt Romney’s cruel haircut should forever be a bar to his aspirations to the presidency. But 19 year old Dzhokhar’s multiple murders and maimings shouldn’t hold him back too long from an adjunct professorship at Columbia.

    Well, he didn’t quite make that point. I’m elaborating.

    Steve57 (da9e0e)

  43. Here’s a thought. Why don’t you check to see if there is a correlation between crime and welfare.

    Right, because I should do Patterico’s job for him. I’m not Patterico’s butt-monkey — you are. Maybe Patterico should provide evidence, references and facts when posting his bigoted opinions. Oh wait, he has worshipful commentators like yourself to call his bigoted BS the result of “accuracy and experience” rather than providing any evidence, references or facts, which he will not, and nor will you, nor will any of the other worshiper of this hateful MFer.

    The set roles here are for Patterico to post hateful material, and for illiterate right-wing drooling slobs like yourself to salute and worship him for it.

    purusha (65cffb)

  44. David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog 21h

    You know what’s worse than being an alienated immigrant teen in a strange land, trying to fit in? Getting blown up by his bombs.

    It took a village to build those bombs. Thanks, Taxachusetts!

    Steve57 (da9e0e)

  45. purusha, maybe that worked in your high school. But all you’re doing is degrading yourself.

    And I don’t mind that, if that’s how you want to waste your life. Actually, I enjoy the spectacle you’re making of yourself.

    Steve57 (da9e0e)

  46. Actually, purusha, the set roles are for Pat to post something, anything. And you to show up and spew venom because you can’t think. And the rest of us to point and laugh at you. Thanks for fulfilling your role.

    Steve57 (da9e0e)

  47. Purusha, please elaborate on who you believe Patterico has shown bigotry against, and why you must associate that group of people with crime and welfare.

    X (c68862)

  48. “Go to any criminal courthouse and watch the people streaming in and out. By and large, they are the same people streaming in and out of welfare offices at the first of every month. We are funding a criminal underclass, and Tsarnaev is just one particularly violent example. This is a daily problem.”

    – Patterico

    The empirical observation may well be true, but that doesn’t mean that the analysis is complete and/or accurate. There’s a difference between “funding a criminal underclass” and criminalizing the conduct of the underclass while providing begrudging welfare. The result may be the same, ultimately – state money in the pockets of people deemed criminals – but phrasing it as “funding a criminal underclass” obscures some key moving parts for the sake of rhetorical efficacy.

    We could stop providing welfare to the underclass, yes – or we could stop making it a crime to be poor.

    Leviticus (17b7a5)

  49. I have never seen a law, anywhere, making it a crime to be poor.

    There is a meta kind of point about the destruction that the War on Poverty has unleashed on the populace, and how it has doomed many to a life of aspiration to suckle at the teat of the nanny state.

    JD (b63a52)

  50. “The empirical observation may well be true, but that doesn’t mean that the analysis is complete and/or accurate. There’s a difference between “funding a criminal underclass” and criminalizing the conduct of the underclass while providing begrudging welfare. The result may be the same, ultimately – state money in the pockets of people deemed criminals – but phrasing it as “funding a criminal underclass” obscures some key moving parts for the sake of rhetorical efficacy.”

    Leviticus – I’m glad you did not make any effort at rhetorical efficacy with the above. WTE does all that gibberish mean?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  51. We have crossed the butt-monkey barrier!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  52. The set roles here are for Patterico to post hateful material, and for illiterate right-wing drooling slobs like yourself to salute and worship him for it.

    Call and response is OWS leftist bibble babble. And your time here is quickly coming to an end. kthxby

    JD (b63a52)

  53. 47. We could stop providing welfare to the underclass, yes – or we could stop making it a crime to be poor.

    Comment by Leviticus (17b7a5) — 4/24/2013 @ 3:01 pm

    I’d love to stop making it a crime to be poor. I could actually give work to some of these people. If I didn’t have to pay the prevailing minimum wage. Which I realize makes me a bad guy. But I can’t afford to hire a teenager with no job skills at the going rate. In reality, I do most of the crap jobs as the owner because I don’t pay myself for doing them. Fixing toilets and the like.

    I wouldn’t pay them low wages forever. As they became more valuable to me I’d pay them more. If only to keep them. I can’t see me training them up only to lose them to other employers. But these things are out of my hands.

    It isn’t that I couldn’t use the help. It’s just that at the prices I’d have to pay for that help it makes no sense.

    Steve57 (da9e0e)

  54. What should be noted is that as a private employer not only can’t I pay far more for labor than it brings in (something the gub’mint doesn’t have to worry about).

    I can’t compete with what they’re bringing in in gub’mint benefits.

    If I were willing to risk it I could pay them off the books. But I’m not. Working for cash is a great supplement to welfare, I’m told.

    Steve57 (da9e0e)

  55. We could stop providing welfare to the underclass, yes – or we could stop making it a crime to be poor

    Leviticus, there are no poor in the usa. We are the wealthiest country in the world with any significant population. Someone not wait everyone who just decides to go out an earn minimum wage is also eligble for nearly 7to 13 doillars an hour in direct cash governmnet assistance. EIC, Food Stamps, Rent Assistance.

    That brings a single person to 15 dollars to 20 dollars an hour – 30K to 40K annually.

    So I’m tired of hearing about poor people – I’ve lived/worked/traveled in many countries poor is poor and we are not it, not even close

    E.PWJ (590d06)

  56. We need to end food stamps, welfare, Rent assistance, social security, medicaid, medicare and pensions greater than 40% of top wages for govenment workers

    We could offset that by greatly increasing the minimum wage, to end all income taxes and replace it with a sales tax, to offer a type of emergency health insurance, to enact malpractice legal reform, to set up a series of community supported goverment low care hospitals like the VA and to tax all foreign imports with punishing tariffs. And cancel that Chinese debt against the expenditures in having t build defenses against their stealing patents, illegal trade practices, and for having to defen Korea

    E.PWJ (590d06)

  57. I don’t think the way government has conducted the “War on Poverty” has worked very well. It has trained people to expect to be taken care of by others. I’ve lived in the midst of it, visited many a home dependent on it. Living on section 8 housing, welfare, foodstamps, and having a state-of-the-art home theatre system does not make sense to me, but it wasn’t surprising to see.
    When the norm of a society is to be unwed, unemployed, with kids, and supported by an impersonal government system, there is a major problem. If you want to attribute blame to “the system’ instead of the individuals involved, then at least blame the people who support, expand, and enable the system, not those who would reform it or change it.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  58. It’s sad, but 95% of the visitors I’ve processed at my NYS prison facility use their benefit card as their ID-all while wearing Loutboutins, designer clothes, fancy mani/pedi’s and bringing in hundreds of dollars in food and cigarettes for inmates.

    Pamela (443d0f)

  59. 54. So I’m tired of hearing about poor people – I’ve lived/worked/traveled in many countries poor is poor and we are not it, not even close

    Comment by E.PWJ (590d06) — 4/24/2013 @ 3:35 pm

    This can’t be emphasized enough. The “poor” in this country are more likely to die from complications from obesity. This is an unusual situation, to say the least. I travel through what this country calls slums and I see satellite dishes, a couple of (older, admittedly) cars in the yard and when I do visit (and I do) several TVs.

    Then I think about the relative of a friend I visited in the Philippines who offered me THE chair when I showed up. Bare bulb, tin shack.

    Give me a break.

    Steve57 (da9e0e)

  60. It’s sad, but 95% of the visitors I’ve processed at my NYS prison facility use their benefit card as their ID-all while wearing Loutboutins, designer clothes, fancy mani/pedi’s and bringing in hundreds of dollars in food and cigarettes for inmates.

    That’s right, it’s all t-bones for the strapping young bucks and Cadillacs for the welfare queens, ain’t it. You folks would fit right in on Stormfront.

    purusha (dc3796)

  61. We need to end food stamps, welfare, Rent assistance, social security, medicaid, medicare and pensions greater than 40% of top wages for govenment workers

    Nope. Why not?
    Food stamps: The farmers will scream.
    Welfare: Retailers will scream.
    Rent assistance: Real estate owners and managers, builders, and construction trades will scream.
    Medicare and medicaid: The medical establishment and the pharmaceutical industry will scream.
    Pensions for government workers: Ha, ha, ha, thud. (Laughing my head off.)

    nk (875f57)

  62. He was the well-to-do one, in case you were wondering. You should have seen the rest of the neighborhood.

    Steve57 (da9e0e)

  63. Shorter troll

    RAAAACISTS!!!!!!!!

    JD (64bef2)

  64. 59. You folks would fit right in on Stormfront.

    Comment by purusha (dc3796) — 4/24/2013 @ 3:50 pm

    What’s the name of that law about idjits descending into Nazi comparisons?

    Steve57 (da9e0e)

  65. purusha, we would respond more substantively. We’re just too busy busting a gut at your antics. When we stop laughing and pointing, if we still have the desire. then we’ll say something. Fool.

    Steve57 (da9e0e)

  66. That’s right, it’s all t-bones for the strapping young bucks and Cadillacs for the welfare queens, ain’t it.

    Not our homies. They like pork rinds and Colt .45 malt liquor and if the ho axed them for a Caddie they’d c**t punt her.

    nk (875f57)

  67. CBS News reported tonight that investigators believe Tamerlan Tsarnaev made money by selling drugs – specifically, marijuana.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  68. There’s this also:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/22/da-looks-for-links-between-bomb-suspect-tamerlan-tsarnaev-and-2011-triple/

    Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who was pronounced dead early Friday after a shootout with police, was a friend of one of three men found dead in an apartment in Waltham on Sept. 12, 2011, their necks slit and their bodies reportedly covered with marijuana.

    Tsarnaev and his murdered friend, Brendan Mess, were both boxers.

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/23/us/boston-area-homicide-investigation/index.html

    Tsarnaev and Mess were sparring partners at a local gym, and the source tells CNN investigators believe he was one of the last people to see Mess alive.

    Investigators of the crime reported at the time that the heads of the three victims were pulled back and their throats slit ear to ear with great force. Marijuana was spread over the bodies in a “symbolic gesture,” and several thousand dollars in cash was found at the scene

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10011414/Boston-bombs-Prosecutors-investigating-Tamerlan-Tsarnaev-link-to-2011-murders.html

    One of the dead men was Brendan Mess, 25, who used to train with his neighbour Tsarnaev at a Boston martial arts gymnasium. Tsarnaev once described Mr Mess as his “best friend” and had been a regular visitor to his apartment, where the murders took place.

    But to the surprise of others who knew them, Tsarnaev did not attend the memorial service or funeral for Mr Mess. Members of their social circle now suspect that he may have had a connection to the killings, one of them told the website Buzzfeed.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  69. His only American friend was a Mess?

    Steve57 (da9e0e)

  70. Well, his name wasn’t Mudd, at least.

    Tamerlan Tsarnaev may not have been telling the truth in 2010 when he said he had no American friends.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  71. “36.Go to any criminal courthouse and watch the people streaming in and out. By and large, they are the same people streaming in and out of welfare offices at the first of every month. We are funding a criminal underclass, and Tsarnaev is just one particularly violent example.

    What a amazing statement of pure bigotry and plain assholery.”

    Based on my recent but thankfully delcining appearances in NYC criminal courts, the truth hurts. Liberals LOVE all their wonderful programs. The outcomes-not so much.The lemon yellow suns and lollipops are simply a fantasy that cannot be confronted with the facts. How dare anyone challenge the liberal orthodoxy with the truth-the underclass welfare state is in fact rife with criminality. So let’s call people names for stating the truth.

    Bugg (b32862)

  72. 9. Comment by Bugg (b32862) — 4/24/2013 @ 10:16 am

    In NY, medicare, real estate, financial and insurance fraud are growth industries for Russian emigres. If you’re going to set up these social welfare programs these people will exploit them at every turn, and they are hardly alone. Seeing Russians wearing furs on super market lines using EBT cards and food stamps is a feature of daily life.

    Yes, but in many cases, the “clients” are just being roped in without even understanding what is going on, by peole who can bill the government.

    Just the other day the New York Times reported on the front page (I believe this was set up to help keep people out of nursing homes)

    Day Centers Sprout Up, Luring Fit Elders and Costing Medicaid

    Yet the cost of attendance was indirectly being paid by Medicaid, under Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s sweeping redesign of $2 billion in spending on long-term care meant for the impaired elderly and those with disabilities.

    Such centers have mushroomed, from storefronts and basements to a new development in the Bronx that recently figured in a corruption scandal. With little regulation and less oversight, they grew in two years from eight tiny programs for people with dementia to at least 192 businesses across the city.
    Managed care companies, financed by Medicaid, pay the centers to provide services to members. But the door swings both ways: Centers also refer new clients to the companies.

    Managed care became mandatory last year for people receiving home services who are eligible for both Medicaid and Medicare. The idea is to try to control spending, but about a third of the 92,000 people so far enrolled in the system statewide are newcomers to such services, many responding to aggressive marketing by social day care centers.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  73. Read the whole article. People get paid money (illegal kickbacks) to go to these centers.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  74. “What’s the name of that law about idjits descending into Nazi comparisons?”

    – Steve57

    That would be Godwin’s Law.

    Leviticus (c4ea61)

  75. Thanks, Leviticus.

    Steve57 (da9e0e)

  76. R.I.P. Allan Arbus, actor that played psychiatrist Dr. Sidney Freedman on M*A*S*H

    Icy (f7c579)

  77. @ 61-purusha
    I’m in the wrong for pointing out a fact? No…don’t worry-they tend not to ‘own’ Cadillacs and the like…well at least not in their name…that would push them over the qualifying limit. Thanks to liberal thinkers like you we have “FRP”/Family Reunion Programs where they can come spend the weekend in a trailer with their ‘spouse’ essentially unsupervised and can procreate even more children they cannot afford all courtesy of the taxpayer. Do you really want to know what cruel is??? Cruel is watching a 1 and a half year old going through visit process who knows the entire routine of taking off all metal, their shoes and going through the metal detector without any direction..that’s what is cruel..those kids grow up thinking it is a normal, acceptable process and are essentially per-institutionalized. It should disgust you…well that is if you actually care about the long term welfare of these children… but I wouldn’t want to be presumptive.

    Pamela (443d0f)

  78. Pamela @78, I’m convinced purusha will come back and say I want it that way. Because I’m a conservative.

    When in fact it’s the other way around. As Glenn Reynolds at Instapundit observes, keeping people beggars makes them easier to please. Eddie Bernice Johnson or Sheila Jackson Lee can buy a vote with a slice of pizza and a coke because of shut up you’re white.

    Steve57 (da9e0e)

  79. Yeah …conservatives hate children..and gosh darn it…inmates are people too…people who have killed and raped men, women, and children alike. I spent today working with a serial killer who started at age 17. I am sure if he hadn’t been poor he never would have been convicted…despite the fact he was a liberal ’cause celeb’ and had some of the higher profile attorneys of the time…darn it…his real crime was being poor!!!!

    Pamela (443d0f)

  80. Conservatives clearly hate children, Pamela. That should be clear. If it wasn’t. We don’t go around having kids we don’t care for.

    That’s another thing that struck me the other day. When some Gosnell apologist claimed I’m responsible for what this hack did.

    Yet again.

    Oh great. I don’t pay for abortions. Now I’m the one flushing fetuses down toilets.

    Steve57 (da9e0e)

  81. Dzhokhar was a small scale marijuana dealer.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)


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