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4/19/2013

BREAKING NEWS: BOSTON TV STATION CLAIM: One Marathon Bomber Suspect Dead; Manhunt Underway for Second

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 2:55 am



I fell asleep listening to local Boston news coverage of the incredible events of last night: a fatal shooting of an MIT police officer, a shootout with police, reports of a explosives being thrown out of car windows, a bag of grenades on the ground, and confusion regarding who had been taken into custody. I did a post last night about these events, and as soon as I heard details about explosives being thrown, I raised a question of whether the Marathon bombers were behind all this mayhem.

It appears they were indeed.

The live feed of the local TV station was still on in headphones stuck in my ears when I awoke just now to news that one of the Marathon bombers is dead and there is an intense manhunt for the second. It’s not quite 3 a.m. here but I feel compelled to type up a quick post noting this stunning development.

Now how am I supposed to try to get back to sleep?

UPDATE 3:23 a.m.: There are reports circulating about that purport to provide the names of a couple of suspects, but I would be very reluctant to believe any such report without official confirmation. For example, I see a blog post in the Green Room at Hot Air that states that one of the suspects is a missing Brown University student. But that is being contradicted by other reports.

We’ve been suckered by an incompetent media too many times in the past several days. Be skeptical.

Here is a fairly restrained video report from WSJ.com summarizing what we know.

Weird to break this kind of thing before Drudge!

Now I am going to try to sleep, and will probably fail.

UPDATE x2 3:45 a.m.: Sleep FAIL. AP reporting: “Boston bomb suspects from Russia region near Chechnya, lived in US at least 1 year.”

UPDATE x3 3:52 a.m.: BREAKING: AP: Surviving Boston bomb suspect identified as Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, 19, of Cambridge, Mass.

Supposedly the dead suspect is his brother.

216 Responses to “BREAKING NEWS: BOSTON TV STATION CLAIM: One Marathon Bomber Suspect Dead; Manhunt Underway for Second”

  1. If I knew how to do red font I would be breaking it out about now.

    Patterico (919400)

  2. How long until we find out who they are and where they are from.
    And do we dare believe the feds. I will never trust the feds. They can perpetrate any myth they want, just like the petulant prezzy.

    mg (31009b)

  3. They are from Russia. Commies I presume.

    mg (31009b)

  4. A name has been given.

    Patterico (ee5253)

  5. Dzhokhar Tsarnez a Republic of Cambridge resident, for years.
    Not surprising he was living there.

    mg (31009b)

  6. The killed terrorist is a brother of the hunted.
    So much for the immigration garbage.
    ROUND ZEM UP…

    mg (31009b)

  7. I didn’t know the Tea Party got as far as Russia. I’m sure Chris Matthews will fill us in later.

    glenn (647d76)

  8. Chechnya is a Muslim separatist region. If the reports are true (?) then one should be concerned the “rebels” in Chechnya are targeting the US to put pressure on Russia?

    cedarhill (545116)

  9. Swat team entering a house where a large pool of blood was located.

    mg (31009b)

  10. Wasn’t it Chechens who took all those school children in Russia hostage a few years ago? The incident where so many hostages died.

    Jersey Woman (a1d9be)

  11. And he is a registered voter.
    Blood boiling yet?

    mg (31009b)

  12. Weei.com
    Dennis and Callahan have the best coverage, by far.
    Sports radio, bur Callahans best friends nephew lost both legs.
    After he came off the drugs from the amputations, he asked for the police to tell them he had infermation and did he ever. HEROE

    mg (31009b)

  13. Chechens….Vladimir and Dmitri’s own little Islamic Terrorist problem, now visited upon the USA.

    But….but….they must be TEA Party members!

    askeptic (2bb434)

  14. And he is a registered voter.

    Somebody has to vote for Patrick and Markey.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  15. The wailing and weeping you hear across the land is the Obama Administration and their pals in the MFM, saldy dissappointed that the evil typical white person is not the culprit. Shocking the perps are adherents of the “religion of peace.” Based on MFM reports thought for sure they’d be white trash with Gadsen flag t-shirts and NRA stickers on their car.

    Have to say also strong odor that law enforcement weas stopped from telling us who these guys were earlier this week because of PC nonsense from on high. Or at least until The One could have his bullshit interfaith speech. Said speech was such bland meandering nothingness at a loss why he bothered. There is at least one police officer dead this morning, and perhaps because law enforcemens was worried about being described as “acting stupidly” because of Obama’s PC crap.

    Bugg (b32862)

  16. careers are over – thats a fact

    E.PWJ (590d06)

  17. Chechen terrorists. Can we say Islamic yet or will Chrissy Matthews cry and call us bigots as he blames the Tea Party.

    NJRob (882282)

  18. Religion of Peace strikes again.

    Rodney King's Spirit (ae12ec)

  19. Probably registered Democrats too.
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    Immigrating to this Country and then hating it is something Democrats teach.

    Rodney King's Spirit (ae12ec)

  20. What is the writer from Slate going to do with himself today?

    Rodney King's Spirit (ae12ec)

  21. My post at 15 was almost a joke, and yet it’s clear looking around the interent it’s true. The Left in this country cannot get it through their heads that these Islamic nuts hate us and wish to kill us all.I speak for self, but many of us on the right readily acknowledge the wars were ghastly mistakes, but still realize the Islamic terrorists need to be stopped or at least kept out of our country. The Left really believe their biggest problem is other Americans who disagree with them rather than Muslims who want to kill us all.And it’s true msot of all of our President. Scary.

    Bugg (b32862)

  22. Uh, no, this is the backwash from Putin’s attempts to play Czar without crown,

    narciso (3fec35)

  23. As per their uncles, who lives in AMryland, the older one was “into Islam”. Chechnya has been a breeding ground for Muslim terrorists. Recall the school attack in Russia a few years back. Putin may have cooked up the apartment bbomings to build his power and blamed it on Chechnyan Islamists. But doens’t change the fact there is a history of Chenchnyan Islamists committing atrocities in the name of the false Arab rock god Allah.

    Bugg (b32862)

  24. I wonder what the stir was all about regarding the Middle-Eastern looking guys, certainly the one who has been reportedly singled out for deportation? The likely bombers now appear to, on one hand, fit the MO (ie, their belief system), yet, on the other hand, also add a new wrinkle (ie, their nationality) to the most obvious suspects in such an act of terrorism.

    Now the next question is did they act totally alone or had accomplices right there at the scene of the marathon or ties to a wider Islamo-fascist terror network?

    Mark (791cbf)

  25. I don’t necessarily think the Saudi angle is related to the Boston bombs, but it’s possible they got some assistance or encouragement from other Sunni muslims. The one kid had a youtube account with a channel devoted to “terrorists”. There is a little even right now to suggest participation in religious networks. THere’s the argument with the Shiite, the remark of one that he’d rather contend for the US than Russia (although context is missing for that, and it might apply to an athletic contest and not a cultural one).

    SarahW (b0e533)

  26. Concerning the saudi in the hospital scheduled to be deported:
    Son the detective says it is not uncommon that when you put a searchlight on somebody during an investigation that you may find something even if unrelated to the original crime being investigated.
    So it could be simply that the person did overstay a visa or some such and nothing more and was just caught up in this investigation.
    On the other hand, is such supposed to be a confidential procedure, or public information, and if the latter, why not more info.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  27. A few Commenters at Ace are adamant they were thinking Chechen as soon as the pic of the casual bomb drop at the feet of the little kid emerged. Says Chechens are effing nuts, = Holmes + Lanza +laughner. When discussing the possibility with a friend, the friend said, yeah, but a Chechen would go out in a blaze of glory…

    SarahW (b0e533)

  28. Look for MSNBC to avoid saying “Muslim” or “Islamic” in connection with this story.

    Icy (e08cca)

  29. If the one kid on the lam doesn’t die, they’ll have to, though, because it’s his own motivation and won’t be shy about sharing it.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  30. God I hope we take the other guy alive. It sounds like we need some answers as to why these two committed these acts, which we won’t get if he goes out in a “blaze of glory.”

    JVW (4826a9)

  31. Check out the Beslan school murders by Chechnya Islamic terrorists rebels in 2004. 380 dead, mostly children.

    Tanny O'Haley (09cf80)

  32. God I hope we take the other guy alive. It sounds like we need some answers as to why these two committed these acts, which we won’t get if he goes out in a “blaze of glory.”

    Comment by JVW (4826a9) — 4/19/2013 @ 7:03 am

    Umm, Islamic terrorists?

    Tanny O'Haley (09cf80)

  33. Suspect #1, black hat, is said to have died of multiple gunshots but doctors also report finding shrapnel in his body.

    Q. Was the shrapnel from a recent explosions during the car chase or could it have come from the initial Boston Marathon event?

    Q. If black hat’s shrapnel wounds are fresh, could it be that suspect #2, white hat, was also similarly wounded during the gunfight and explosive detonations following the car hijacking?

    #2 is on the run, I wonder if he may also be wounded by either police bullets or by shrapnel from his own homemade IEDs. The hijacked SUV is reported to be riddled with bullet holes.

    ropelight (7857d7)

  34. Everyone should be Profling Muzzies.

    mg (31009b)

  35. profiling

    mg (31009b)

  36. We’ll keep that in mind.

    Leviticus (17b7a5)

  37. Chechen terrorists are quite bizarre, not that the regular AlQueda guys have any grip on reality. Go watch an Adam Gadain video.

    And no, mg, “muzzies” should not be profiled any more than anyone else.

    SPQR (768505)

  38. I have a clue about an angle Journolisty folks will be trying: Expressed surprise that Chechens would do this, as Americans are in natural sympathy with their cause!, followed by endless discussions of the Chechen rebel cause; and maybe even stresses on how little it has to do with Islam per se. Which is actually backwards (Islamism really very tied up with the geopolitical/cultural conflict).

    SarahW (b0e533)

  39. Because obviously the “caucasian” snark that TommyX and a few others tried is a flail.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  40. I want to rub this in the face of every Muslim apologist on Twitter whose first reaction to the blasts was to defend Muslims, not mourn the dead and injured.

    CrustyB (69f730)

  41. 10.Wasn’t it Chechens who took all those school children in Russia hostage a few years ago? The incident where so many hostages died.

    Comment by Jersey Woman (a1d9be) — 4/19/2013 @ 4:29 am

    Yeah. Check out Tanny O’Haley’s comment @ 31. They also did the Moscow Theater takeover in 2002. They took 850 hostages. 130 hostages died, but that’s mostly because Spetsnaz kills first, asks questions later.

    It’s only western countries like the US, Britain, Israel, etc., that thinks a hostage rescue is only successful if only the hostage takers are killed. Most of the rest of the world’s forces don’t train to that level of precision. They think it’s a successful response if all the killing is confined to the site in question and they get all the terrorists.

    Steve57 (b238b6)

  42. See how this works? If he was born in Russia and has been here for 10 years and took his oath of citizenship and has voted, is he a foreign or a domestic terrorist?

    elissa (fe2975)

  43. Tam K., the Queen of Snark:

    So you’ve got one brother named after the first president of breakaway Chechnya and the other named after “The Sword of Islam”, Muslim conqueror of Central Asia?

    And INS told their parents “Come on in, y’all!”?

    In 2002?

    Golf clap, Immigration. Way to keep on your toes. My tax dollars at work.

    One would hope that a German couple at Ellis Island in late ’45 with kids named Adolf and Arminius would have received a dollop of extra scrutiny, but maybe not. Like π, a certain level of bureaucratic derp is a constant.

    SPQR (768505)

  44. The story up on yahoo does mention their nationality, the other recent Chechen atrocities and mentions Chechnya is a hotbed of violent militant Islamic action. But it also says that of course we have no knowledge of the bombers’ motive or what they were trying to accomplish.

    elissa (fe2975)

  45. Interesting commentary by Beck. Either he has something very big or is “Jumping the shark” and about to destroy his credibility with the more objective.

    He states that multiple Congressional offices have confirmed what he has said about the hospitalized Saudi national who is going to be deported because he is a “national security risk linked to the Boston Marathon bombing”
    – He also says sources know who met “unofficially” with the president and that he is a “very, very, very bad man” linked with the Saudi’s
    – BUT, rather than say who it is today, they are going to give “them” (the govt/WH) until Monday to come out with the info themselves, “because that would be better than having the press break the story”

    So, expect a story from the WH, or from Beck and others on Mon, or that Beck’s credibility takes a huge dive

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  46. So . . . what ANYONE WITH A WORKING BRAIN initially thought — that this terrorist-style attack was actually carried out by terrorists, and the ONLY thing significant about the date was the fact that this very public event was taking place on it — turned out to be exactly the case.

    Go figure.

    Icy (e08cca)

  47. Reportedly there is a lot of on-line info linking at least one of them to jihadism. If it is there we should be able to see it at some point.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  48. Comment by Icy (e08cca) — 4/19/2013 @ 8:37 am

    And dihydrogen monoxide boils at 212 degrees F at sea level.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  49. There were a lot of members of Al Qaeda from Chechnia in Afghanistan with Osama bin Laden.

    These people are too young to have been involved then. Even the older brother was just 14 or 15 at most on September 11, 2001. It could be a cousin or somebody was involved.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  50. HotAir has a fascinating interview with this pair’s uncle who lives in the states.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2013/04/19/suspects-uncle-i-just-wish-they-never-existed/

    You can’t help but feel bad for the guy after you listen to it. He called “black hat” a loser, a barbarian, who absolutely deserved to die for what he did. And that if people want to curse him he’ll accept it because he’s associated with these bastards.

    I wish the media would have just left him alone and not identified him.

    Steve57 (b238b6)

  51. Picture of the car that was hijacked. Check out the bumper sticker.

    https://t.co/keMP3bsy4L

    CrustyB (69f730)

  52. 46.So . . . what ANYONE WITH A WORKING BRAIN initially thought — that this terrorist-style attack was actually carried out by terrorists, and the ONLY thing significant about the date was the fact that this very public event was taking place on it — turned out to be exactly the case.

    Go figure.

    Comment by Icy (e08cca) — 4/19/2013 @ 8:37 am

    That’s the whole point of PC, Icy. To make sure no one concludes the obvious. And if they do, make sure they don’t dare say it in public.

    It’s why when black kids are suspected of committing a crime (I hate saying suspected when I’m talking about crimes committed while actually on a subway or business security camera) the media dares not identify them by skin color. Their just “youths,” like Muslim rioters in France. And it’s why George Zimmerman is a “racist” for providing an accurate description of Trayvon Martin when the dispatcher asked him to.

    Steve57 (b238b6)

  53. The uncle also said (earlier) that the older brother had called him about 7 pm last night. He said he loved him and was sorry. Not sorry for the bombings, which he did not let on he had done, but for whatever caused them to break off contact about 2 years ago.

    Breaking off contact with members of the family and friends is exactly what a new Al Qaeda recruit is told to do.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  54. The uncle asked the older brother what he was doing, and he said he fixed cars, and had gotten married and had a baby.

    Many people knew the younger brother from high school, Cambridge Latin, but they graduated in 2011. Many people also knew him from the street where they discussed sports and things.

    One person interviewed on Fox who was maybe about two years older than the younger one, said that he last saw him at least 8 months ago. There was nothing different about him.

    Several people noticed his resemblance to the picture but nobody believed it. The friend from the street, who knew him since 2009 when he (the friend) graduated from high school, said he joked about it being him. A girl, a former classmate, said she noticed it and checked his Facebook page – and found it had been deleted and that was weird (she didn’t use that word)

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  55. The MIT policeman was killed in his car, and they found out when they found his body.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  56. At least three things clearly point to Al Qaeda:

    1) The pressure cooker.

    2) The fact that they had a lot of small bombs with them, in their car which they threw like grenades. The London plotters had similar bombs.

    3) The fact that they seem to have cut off contact with their family and friends a year to two years ago.

    Probably the older brother first. After a year maybe he recruoted his yoiungere brother.

    This is all clearly tied into something bigger.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  57. What is it with Mass.? Two flights on 9-11 came out of Mass..

    Kevin P. (1df29c)

  58. They immigrated to the United States either in 2002 or 2003. They came with their uncle or to their uncle. Their father is still in Russia – may be a Russian, not Checnyan at all. Their father still praises his son or sons – he said the younger one was a medical student. Which he couldn’t be, being a sophomore in college at most. You could think he waa a pre-med student, but more likely, on al Qaeda instructions, he simply lied to his father, who didn’t know anything about the American educational system.

    The younger brother spoke perfect English. You wouldn’t be able to tell he was of foreign origin at all.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  59. 58. Comment by Kevin P. (1df29c) — 4/19/2013 @ 9:11 am

    What is it with Mass.? Two flights on 9-11 came out of Mass..

    Could be maybe there is a cell or something there, but I think the airplanes took off from Boston because to hijack an airplane and crash it into the World Trade Center it had to take off from another city. The 9/11 conspirators didn’t spend any time at all in New York City. Maybe they were afraid the police were too alert.

    Also on September 11th, to start a fire opr make it boigger the plane had to be loaded with fuel – therefore crosscountry flight originating from the East Coast.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  60. They’re of Chechen background. The father lives in a semi-autonomous region of Dagestan.

    Ethnic Russians don’t name their kids after Tamerlane, Sammy.

    Steve57 (b238b6)

  61. good observation, Steve.

    elissa (fe2975)

  62. The two brothers have a connection to violence, although nobody is putting it that way.

    The older brother was a boxer and won the 2004 Golden Gloves. Or was that 2010?

    http://deadspin.com/heres-everything-we-know-about-tamerlan-tsarnaev-the-476415081

    He won the Rocky Marciano Trophy for being New England Golden Gloves heavyweight champion in 2010

    While his younger brother, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, was captain of the wrestlig team at his high school, and even won a scholarship to the Univesrsity of Massachusetts.

    http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/04/19/bombing-suspects-were-local-normal-immigrants/AGztkXv4Y9b6sfAsVzcDQO/story.html

    He was also intgerested in track.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  63. Comment by Steve57 (b238b6) — 4/19/2013 @ 9:21 am

    Ethnic Russians don’t name their kids after Tamerlane, Sammy.

    Maybe it was only his wife who was Chenyan. The uncle is Moslem – in their conversation last night he said the older brother praised him for keeping up with his prayers (that is attending regular prayer services)

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  64. What’s salient keeps on changing every half hour or so.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  65. Sammy, I don’t know what uncle you’re talking about. There’s been only one interview with the uncle who lives in Maryland. He’s Muslim. And he’s the younger brother of the father of these two.

    What do you think that makes the father?

    And that uncle hasn’t talked to Tamerlan since 2009.

    Steve57 (b238b6)

  66. Comment by CrustyB (69f730) — 4/19/2013 @ 8:49 am

    Oh, man.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  67. Chechnyans were one of the biggest components of Al Qaeda.

    For instance:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/23/world/pakistani-offensive-aims-to-drive-out-taliban-and-al-qaeda.html

    Muhammad Azam Khan, the top Pakistan government official in the South Waziristan tribal agency, said he had requested a steep increase in the number of Pakistani troops in the area — to 12,000 from 4,000. Hundreds of Qaeda members, including Chechen and Uzbek fighters, are thought to be hiding in the border area and mounting attacks on American forces in nearby Afghanistan.

    I could find many other quotes indicating the coinnection to Chechnya.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/19/ties-between-islamic-extremist-groups-and-chechnya-well-documented/

    But congressional researchers and foreign policy analysts have long tracked a connection between the Chechnya region and Islamic extremists with Al Qaeda and the Taliban. If the suspects are indeed Chechen, analysts told Fox News they may represent part of a jihadi network which has made its way to American soil.

    “The Chechen jihadi network is very extensive,” Middle East analyst Walid Phares said Friday. “They have a huge network inside Russia and Chechnya.”

    And there’s even this:

    http://1tv.ge/news-view/26005?lang=en

    Except that this guy claims bin Laden died a natural death 5 years ago, so it’s disinformation.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  68. Steve57, it’s more than just ‘being PC’. On Day 1 there were several high-profile toolbots on the left that were spinning out theories of right-wing survivalist, anti-government, anti-IRS militia types being responsible for the bombing. These people weren’t trying to placate the Muslim community or insulate or defend them from anti-Islamist rhetoric; they were using this horrific incident as an excuse for attacking their political enemies, plain and simple.

    Icy (e08cca)

  69. Comment by Steve57 (b238b6) — 4/19/2013 @ 9:29 am

    There’s been only one interview with the uncle who lives in Maryland. He’s Muslim. And he’s the younger brother of the father of these two.

    What do you think that makes the father?

    I wasn’t clear on that. tgaht makles the fatehr Moslem too.

    And that uncle hasn’t talked to Tamerlan since 2009.

    I heard two years.

    tghere;s been more than one interfview,mayube some only to print

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  70. Well, @davidsirota got his wish: the bombers appear to be white guys. Being from the Caucuses, they are Caucasian! Being Islamic is, I am certain, just a coincidence!

    The Dana who celebrates diversity (3e4784)

  71. Another clue that the father isn’t Russian. The younger brother’s name is Tsarni. That’s not a Russian last name.

    The two perps are going by the name Tsarnaev. That’s simply a russified version of the non-Russian name.

    The Soviets often forced ethnic minorities to russify their names to force assimilation. (But then they gave these minorities their own republics like Uzbekistan or Kazakhstan to create the illusion that the USSR was really an actual Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Which is one of the things that led to the break-up of the USSR. On the one hand they tried to force these minorities to assimilate. On the other, the Soviets made it clear to them that they weren’t Russians after all and they began to demand more autonomy as a result.)

    Steve57 (b238b6)

  72. Some of the family, carry Tsaernaeva, like apparently the mother, arrested at Lord and Taylor

    narciso (3fec35)

  73. “The younger brother’s name is Tsarni.”

    – Steve57

    Sounds Georgian, which would be consistent with the Chechen/Georgian/Ossetian/Dagestani regional implications.

    Leviticus (1aca67)

  74. 72.Well, @davidsirota got his wish: the bombers appear to be white guys. Being from the Caucuses, they are Caucasian! Being Islamic is, I am certain, just a coincidence!

    Comment by The Dana who celebrates diversity (3e4784) — 4/19/2013 @ 9:42 am

    Next he’ll be tying it to the anniversary of the Oklahoma City federal building and the militia movement.

    Just as soon as he finishes tweeting it’s bigoted to assume the fact they’re Muslim had anything to do with it.

    Seriously, could these leftist twits be any more self-unaware?

    Steve57 (b238b6)

  75. 76. Sounds Georgian, which would be consistent with the Chechen/Georgian/Ossetian/Dagestani regional implications.

    Comment by Leviticus (1aca67) — 4/19/2013 @ 10:07 am

    Chechen and Georgian are closely related.

    Steve57 (b238b6)

  76. You know, last night, I didn’t take seriously that warning about them being armed and dangerous. They had used bombs – explosives. Why should they be familiar with firearms? It’s something totally different!

    I guess it’s the same kind of surprise that they did a robbery.

    Publicizinmg their pictures worked faster than expected, but it didn’t work out too well. It did cause them to run, and abandon a lot of ordnance, but they didn’t only hide.

    Or perhaps they thought the MIT cop had figured out who they were? The first reports him noticing somebody suspicious. Later that he interfered in a robbery. Now, he was shot in his car.

    I think some news outlets have the chronology but I didn’t manage to get it yet.

    Some news outlets are behind outlets on various developments.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  77. 78. The Georgians are Christian, though. Abnd don’t they have a separate language?

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  78. Maybe somebody can clarify things for me.

    I heard:

    There was a robbery at a gasoline station. And a gasoline station gave the FBI a better picture. And/or the robbery was at a convenience store.

    And there was a carjacking. The carjackers left the driver off the car off at a 7-11.

    At some point somehow they wound up getting chased. They were chased into Watertown. No knwoledge iif whether they had anybody there. During the chase they kept throwing biombs out.

    In a shootout one of them was killed. The other escaped. He drove off in the carjacked car over his brother’s body and went about 5 blocks and got out, and ran. Or were there two carjacked cars?

    Watertown was into lockdown. The various police are/were trying to be very careful what they were doing trying to avoid anybody else getting shot. What happened, the way things played out after the pictures were released, was a disaster.

    They raided the Cambridge apartment and found lots of ordnance and took out a woman.

    I also heard live at about 8:30 eastern time they seem to have arrested somene in Watertown. But it looks like that was somebiody else.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  79. Isn’t Chechen the Russian word for Conservative or Tea Partier?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  80. After first stopping all mass transit and traffic in Watertown they extended that to the city of Boston. they even stopped trains heading toward Providence, Rhode Island, and one heading toward New York.

    They had no idea where the second man was – or possibly they are looking for some other people who they are not naming hoping to avoid a shootout and worse. You got the feeling that maybe the other man escaped. But that nobody wanted even to raise that possibility!

    They later began evacuating some residents and the whole appearance was that he was being cornered. They latewre aked the news media not to reveal where they were working. Cell phone service also was jammed.

    They were looking – maybe he is hiding under a car or on top of a truck. Actually another thought is he could be badly wounded.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  81. First the two were identified – the reporters wanted to be cautious – as Chechnyians. Later as brothers and their names were released.

    At first they didn’t have the correct age for the older brother. At first it was 20 and 19 – later 26 and 19.

    26 is too old to have been named after the first first president of breakaway Chechnya – it’s just a traditional Chechnyan name, as is Tamerlan (which no Russian would use)

    26 years old means born in 1986 or 1987. The Soviet Union broke up at the end of 1991.

    At first I thought there must be some family connection to al Qaeda. CVould still be but probably not immediate family. It probably came through soem mosque. People who don’t know that much about their religion, and now want to return to their religious roots are prime al Qaeda recruiting targets.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  82. 80.78. The Georgians are Christian, though. Abnd don’t they have a separate language?

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/19/2013 @ 10:26 am

    Yes, Sammy, the Georgians are predominantly Christians. So are the Armenians. Of the three former Soviet republics in the Caucasus, only Azerbaijan is predominantly Muslim.

    And yes, Georgia has a separate language. That’s why I said Chechen and Georgian are related. Not identical.

    Steve57 (b238b6)

  83. 82.Isn’t Chechen the Russian word for Conservative or Tea Partier?

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 4/19/2013 @ 10:30 am

    Chechen is the Russian word for Michigan Militia.

    David Sirota will be along to explain it.

    Just as soon as he finishes berating all the angry old white men in the hateful right wing for our obvious bigotry for generalizing about Muslims.

    Steve57 (b238b6)

  84. teh Chechens just don’t know us… if they did, they’d love us… What’s not to love.

    Colonel Haiku (2df983)

  85. Drudge is reporting that NY Governor Como has connected the Boston bombing to climate change. According to Como, the stress of adjusting to the “new normal” is causing random acts of violence in our post 9/11 world.

    ropelight (7857d7)

  86. “At some point somehow they wound up getting chased.”

    Sammy – Sometimes that happens after you kill a campus security guard, rob a convenience store and jack a car, but it could all be coincidence.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  87. “Chechen is the Russian word for Michigan Militia.”

    Steve57 – Chechens celebrate Hitlers birthday as a high holiday just as much as tea partiers. I heard it on NPR.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  88. This morning on NPR they were scratching their heads in puzzlement as to why a pair of Chechens would want to do this. Over and over again, they stressed how we have no clue about their motive. They even had some terrorism “expert” on and asked him for confirmation that there’s little overlap between Chechens and al Qaeda; he said there actually was, but they let that slip by without comment, and got him to say that there were no “formal relationships”, as if that were a thing al Qaeda did. And as if in the absence of a formal oath of fealty to aQ it’s not jihadi, and can’t be related to any wider picture.

    Of course if it had been some white guy with a copy of “Report from the Iron Mountain” in his apartment then it would have been obvious that he was part of a panoramic picture that includes Sarah Palin and Rand Paul.

    It really was amazing to listen to.

    As I said before, when you hear explosions, think Moslem, not Buddhist.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  89. Gov. Perry Como is asleep at teh wheel…

    Colonel Haiku (0bd0c5)

  90. It’s possible this manhunt could end like the one last February in Big Bear. When cop killer Chris Dorner was cornered in the resort community, he invaded an occupied home, took the owners hostage, and holed up waiting for an opportunity to make a break.

    Suspect #2 Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (white hat) seems to be in similar straights and may well opt for a similar escape plan.

    ropelight (7857d7)

  91. EXPERTS!!!!11ty!!!!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  92. “Over and over again, they stressed how we have no clue about their motive.”

    What caused these mostly peaceful Muslim brothers who knew how to build dangerous bombs to do what they did? What are the root causes?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  93. When I heard a policeman was shot and killed, I was remined of November 22, 1963 and Dallas Texas – I was already thinking about that because of all the pictures, except there were a lot more in 2013. Lee Harvey Oswald also shot a policeman, Officer Tippit.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._D._Tippit

    It’s more similar than I thought. I had thought Tippit had confronted Oswald in the theater.

    Tippit, it says, was also shot in his car. Except the MIT policeman was shot with multiple bullets to the head. Tippit had three bullets to the chest followed up by one to the head. Guns contained fewer bullets then.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  94. Big bro went overseas sometime in the last six mos.
    Had a Jihadi video.

    My poor lefty friends are all feigning a puzzlement that I think is on purpose.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  95. 88. According to Como, the stress of adjusting to the “new normal” is causing random acts of violence in our post 9/11 world.

    Comment by ropelight (7857d7) — 4/19/2013 @ 10:49 am

    If the same crowd that wrote the report on MAJ Nidal Malik Hasan and the Fort Hood shooting is assigned to look into this, their report will characterize the Boston Marathon bombing as a random act of “sportsplace violence.”

    Steve57 (b238b6)

  96. Two more guys who missed the Cairo speech. 😉

    BTW what pisses me off, too, is that this douche was admitted to medical school, probably as a PC admit, so people like my nephew were turned down!

    Patricia (be0117)

  97. If our friends on the left believe that the proper response to a whacko getting a gun in Newtown is to criminalize having a gun, wouldn’t they also believe that the proper response to Muslims bombing the Boston Marathon is to criminalize being Muslim?

    If not, why not?

    The curious Dana (3e4784)

  98. “My poor lefty friends are all feigning a puzzlement that I think is on purpose.”

    SarahW – Access to free birth control for the lads might have prevented these tragedies.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  99. He appears not to,have been in medical school, Patricia.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  100. Apparently Tsarnaev the younger is only 19 so he’s still an undergrad.

    Or, rather, was until last Friday.

    Steve57 (b238b6)

  101. 99. Who was admitted to medical school? That can’t be true for either of them. The father thought the younger one was in medical school.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  102. 93. Comment by ropelight (7857d7) — 4/19/2013 @ 11:00 am

    It’s possible this manhunt could end like the one last February in Big Bear. When cop killer Chris Dorner was cornered in the resort community, he invaded an occupied home, took the owners hostage, and holed up waiting for an opportunity to make a break.

    They fired tear gas and set the cabin he was in on fire.

    Suspect #2 Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (white hat) seems to be in similar straights and may well opt for a similar escape plan.

    He is being pursued now as if he were Lee Harvey Oswald and had just shot the president.

    The only thing he can try to do now is to disguise himself, and that won’t work. Unless he has help. Maybe somebody picked him up in a car. He may be outside the perimeter where they think he is. Or he may be dead, and they didn’t find him. If he could be dead and they didn’t find him, I suppose he could also be alive, but that’s harder..

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  103. Reports indicate the older brother traveled to Chechnya and Dagistan for about 6 months. Not exaclty resort aread, unless engaging in Islamic radical terror training is preferable to you over a Caribean resort. Always good to knoiw that yet again our vaunted CIA, NSA and TSA HAVE NO GODDAMN CLUE about controlling the border to stop jihadists from entering. Yes, let’s allow the feds to open the floodgates to all the 3rd world. Besides suppressing wages, incrwasingly unemployment and overrunning every social program from healthcare to education, here’s what else can go wrong.

    Bugg (b32862)

  104. Interesting details about Tamerlan Tsarnaev.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  105. Dale Carnegie is timeless.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  106. It’s time to have a national conversation on bomb-free zones.

    Pious Agnostic (6ff605)

  107. From the Daily Mail:

    According to reporting by NBC News, the deceased Tsarnaev sibling became a naturalized US citizen on September 11, 2012 – the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

    and this:

    The 26-year-old had a profile on YouTube channel since August 2012. Five months ago, Tamerlan created a playlist dedicated to terrorism.

    Named simply ‘Terrorists,’ the playlist included a pair of videos, which are now no longer available.

    Although most of the clips in the channel are ordinary music videos, Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s YouTube channel shows signs that he had been drawn to radical Islamism.

    Among the songs on his playlists was one called ‘I will dedicate my life to Jihad.’ He also featured videos recorded by recent converts to Islam.

    and this:

    Both he and his brothers are believed to have military experience. NBC News learned that counterterrorism officials were examining possible links between them and the Islamic Jihad Union of central Asia.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  108. The article also claims the deceased had married a Muslim convert and had a 3-year-old daughter.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  109. The younger one did mention his little niece in his (for reals) twitter stream.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  110. One more tidbit:

    NBC 4 New York reported Friday that Tamerlan Tsarnaev flew in and out of John F. Kennedy Airport last year and spent six months out of the country, raising the possibility that he may have received terror training abroad.

    Travel records obtained by the station show that the 26-year-old left New York January 12, 2012, en route to Moscow. He returned to JFK July 17.

    Where was the DHS?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  111. every time we have a national conversation the fascists want to take away more freedom

    it’s not a fun game anymore

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  112. we need to have a national conversation on who buys those frozen peabnut bubber and jelly sammiches I think

    can those possibly be any good?

    or are they just for people what are too feeble to make a pb&j from scratch?

    no one tells me anything

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  113. But these other books on Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s Amazon.com wishlist look more intriguing: (but how is it we have access to it?)

    How to Make Driver’s Licenses and Other ID on Your Home Computer

    The I.D. Forger: Homemade Birth Certificates & ​Other Documents Explained

    Secrets Of A Back Alley ID Man: Fake Id Construction Techniques Of The Underground

    The Lone Wolf And the Bear: Three Centuries of Chechen Defiance of Russian Rule

    Organized Crime: AN INSIDE GUIDE TO THE WORLD’S MOST SUCCESSFUL INDUSTRY

    Also:

    Principles of Fraud Examination by Joseph T. Wells

    Document Fraud and Other Crimes of Deception
    by Jesse M. Greenwald (Paperback)

    Chechen Dictionary & Ph​rasebook (Hippocrene Dictionary and Phrasebook) by Nicholas Awde (Paperback)

    Allah’s Mountains: The Battle for Chechnya, New Edition by Sebastian Smith (Paperback)

    The Consolation of Philosophy: Revised Edition (Penguin Classics) by Boethius (Paperback)

    The Twelve Caesars (Penguin Classics) by Suetonius (Paperback)

    The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire: Volumes 1-3 of 6 (Everyman’s Library) by Edward Gibbon (Hardcover)

    Wiseguy by Nicholas Pileggi (Mass Market Paperback) (about Henry Hill of the Lufthansa robbery)

    Snatch by Guy Ritchie (Paperback)

    American Mafia: A History of Its Rise to Power (John MacRae Books) by Thomas A. Reppetto (Hardcover)

    Cosa Nostra: A History of the Sicilian Mafia
    by John Dickie (Hardcover)

    Blood and Honor: Inside the Scarfo Mob, the Mafia’s Most Violent Family by George Anastasia (Paperback)

    Five Families: The Rise, Decline, and Resurgence of America’s Most Powerful Mafia Empires
    by Selwyn Raab (Hardcover)

    Voice Lessons To Go Volume 1: Vocalize and Breath
    Ariella Vaccarino (Audio CD)

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  114. ABC News reports that an aunt described the older son, Tamerlan, as a “devout Muslim” who prays 5 times a day. This Google search shows it is also being reported in the British press, but I don’t see it in other American media. It’s early, though. It’s also inconvenient.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  115. Especially inconvenient.

    The snarky Dana (3e4784)

  116. Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/19/2013 @ 11:36 am

    Where was the DHS?

    I think Vladimir Putin was supposed to be taking care of that – and probably not alllowing the United States to do too much independently.

    Putin himself may have been responsible for some terrorist acts supposed to have been done by Chebnyans.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  117. Lileks bought some once ( frozen PBj sammies) for the kiddo, and he thought them passable and convenient.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  118. The father said he was a medical student. FWIW.

    http://kstp.com/news/stories/S3004236.shtml?cat=1

    Patricia (be0117)

  119. Right, Patricia. Except he’s not. Dad’s either puffing or misinformed.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  120. Happyfeet, lthe word Lileks used was godsend. http://www.lileks.com/bleats/archive/03/0103/013103.html

    SarahW (b0e533)

  121. i’m a try them then

    but they’ll probably just sit next to the frozen steelcut oatmeal for awhile

    I’m dubious about frozen steelcut oatmeal

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  122. The package suggests that you thaw them out ahead of time.

    this makes sense to me for so you get a more authentic pb&j experience

    sorry to babble about frozen comestibles there’s just not a lot of news coming out of Boston.

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  123. God I hope we take the other guy alive. It sounds like we need some answers as to why these two committed these acts, which we won’t get if he goes out in a “blaze of glory.”

    Comment by JVW (4826a9) — 4/19/2013 @ 7:03 am

    If it helps the narrative, the guy is as good as dead.
    Praying to God on the net that they take the guy alive, he needs to give answers, guarantee that the secular humanists will execute him.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  124. I think it’s odd that Tamerlan was caught last night alive…

    http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1321502.1366354248!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/watertown-suspect.jpg

    That doesn’t look like a run over man. Did they have a different suspect or something?

    NaBr (a094a6)

  125. Say! The evil Chechen muslim illegal immigrant monster married a nice Christian girl from my neighborhood, after she converted of course.
    Here’s a picture.
    http://sirleonardiii.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/muslism-woman-in-hijab.jpg

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  126. True Fact: NPR Expert says largest foreign chapter of NRA is in Chechnya.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  127. Re: post 96… c’mon, Sammy! You gotta be kidding

    Colonel Haiku (8325c1)

  128. I luv Drudge

    Rodney King's Spirit (ae12ec)

  129. “Weird to break this kind of thing before Drudge!”

    Indeed, I went to bed before the Tsarnaev ID, and Drudge had nada.

    Interesting the kid was named for Tamerlane, who wiped 3 million Muslims in Persia eradicating the Assassins. One city of a million was obliterated, even of dogs and cats.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  130. True Fact: NPR Expert says you can see racist, homophobic, gun nutz in Alabama from Chechnya.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  131. Sammy – is your goal to make a fluid and confuzzling situation incomprehensible.

    JD (b63a52)

  132. “Interesting the kid was named for Tamerlane, who wiped 3 million Muslims in Persia eradicating the Assassins. One city of a million was obliterated, even of dogs and cats.”

    gary – Muslims kill each other all the time. No biggie.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  133. “Sammy – is your goal to make a fluid and confuzzling situation incomprehensible.”

    JD – Not our Squid Ink Sammy!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  134. The uncle says they never were in Chechnya. he says they put a shame on the entire Chehnyan ethnicity. They came here from Kyrgyzstan.

    The New York Times says,

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/us/boston-marathon-bombings.html?hp&_r=0&pagewanted=all

    amonm other things, that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was born in Kyrgyzstan, and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was born in Dagestan, and that the last time he saw his nephews was December 2005.

    The family actually lived for about a year in Makhachkala, the capital of the Dagestan region, which is near near Chechnya, before leaving for teh U.S in 2002. There were two boys and two girls, so they have sisters.

    their father had worked fixing cars in America.

    The family is also said to have lived in Kazakhstan.

    The older brother apparently traveled to Turkey in 2003. He arrived there on July 9, 2003, and left 10 days later.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  135. A mechanic fixed one of the suspects cars this Tuesday.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  136. He said the car (a white Mercedes, ’06 or ’07) belongs to his girlfriend. The mechanic noticed he was very nervous. He insisted he wanted the car back even though the work wasn’t complete.

    He always paid cash and always came to the shop with a friend. Some come from Turkey, some from Russia they all go to BU, other colleges, drive nice cars have money from their parents.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  137. But they are ethnically Chechen, the Tzaernaev taip, is the key,

    narciso (3fec35)

  138. 132. Comment by Colonel Haiku (8325c1) — 4/19/2013 @ 12:08 pm

    Re: post 96… c’mon, Sammy! You gotta be kidding

    No, it’s very similar. Both Lee Harvey Oswald and the two Tsarnaev brothers were on the run, pursude by all law enforcement, but not ID’s at the time.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  139. I get it – the family wanted to immigrate to the United States. So they moved near Chechnya so they could claim to be refugees from Chechnya and got asylum. That’s why they moved to Makhachkala a year before.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  140. 143. *pursued by all law enforcement, but not ID’s at the time.

    Both Oswald and the Tsarnaev brothers knew they guilty of something very very big. So both times unsuspecting policemen were shot and killed when they perhaps started to ask them a question.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  141. True Fact: NPR Expert says law enforcement sources conducting manhunt for Boston Marathon bombing perpetrator says remaining suspect considered armed and conservative.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  142. Good Allah, they killed 3, and wounded 170, before they ran into the cops.

    narciso (3fec35)

  143. “Both Oswald and the Tsarnaev brothers knew they guilty of something very very big. So both times unsuspecting policemen were shot and killed when they perhaps started to ask them a question.”

    Sammy – Circumstances so unique it has probably only happened twice in last 50 years.

    Just stop.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  144. Guns contained fewer bullets then.

    He probably stood there and reloaded.

    Pious Agnostic (20c167)

  145. Dead marathon bomber was given US citizenship on September 11th, 2012.

    SHould google that to make sure I saw it right.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  146. These were two nice kids – says everybody who knows them – equiped with at least 7 IEDs, another “pressure cooker” bomb, and (the dead one) a suicide bomber vest.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  147. The two murderers’ uncle had some beautiful things to say about his adopted homeland America.

    Colonel Haiku (cbc81a)

  148. Sammy? “SARCASM”… Learn it… Embrace it…

    Colonel Haiku (cbc81a)

  149. Older brother was a bully boy. — Tough guy who boxed competitively, but “was aggressive but had no skills” according to teammate. —Tough guy who beat up his girlfriend.

    He just wanted to punish and dominate.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  150. Given language barriers and media sound bite reporting, the only thing I am sure of is that the uncle disavows his nephews’ behavior as being identified with Chechnya.

    Whether they are/were ethnically Chechnyan/Chechan (?) or not, the uncle says don’t identify their behavior with Chechnya, because the people of Chechnya are peaceful people.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  151. Exept for the ones who aren’t, MD in Philly. Except for the ones who think utopia is gained by making others miserable.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  152. If our friends on the left believe that the proper response to a whacko getting a gun in Newtown is to criminalize having a gun, wouldn’t they also believe that the proper response to Muslims bombing the Boston Marathon is to criminalize being Muslim?

    If not, why not?

    Comment by The curious Dana (3e4784) — 4/19/2013 @ 11:18 am

    Well maybe just background checks and mental evaluations. Because that’s reasonable.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  153. I imagine the uncle is a little concerned about how much family/ethnic feuds are carried out in the US these days. I imagine in many places around the world pay-back to next identified kin might be the norm.
    Of course, for all of things one can find in the Bible that some may take issue with, it does say that each person should suffer for their own sin, not that of a family member.
    So there should be no problem, at least from lifeydoodles that thump their Bibles.

    But hey, here’s a new thing. I just received a phone call from an “unknown caller” saying that my computer sent a message that it was having trouble with a Microsoft application, and that he was from Microsoft and wanted me to go to the computer so he could diagnose the problem…
    He didn’t sound American, and I don’t know how to tell an Indian accent from a Pakistani accent to a Chechen accent, so I said no thank you and hung up.
    Has anybody ever had something like that happen that was legit?
    I was having problems earlier today on the PP site on my other computer with some script getting hung up somewhere on some widget.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  154. Tsarnaev the younger is only 19 so he’s still an undergrad.

    — From undergrad to ‘underground’ … As in ‘under the ground’.

    Icy (e08cca)

  155. Dead marathon bomber was given US citizenship on September 11th, 2012.
    SHould google that to make sure I saw it right.
    Comment by papertiger (c2d6da) — 4/19/2013 @ 1:20 pm

    — Gee, ya think?

    Icy (e08cca)

  156. 154. Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 4/19/2013 @ 1:36 pm

    Older brother was a bully boy…who beat up his girlfriend.

    He just wanted to punish and dominate.

    Just think. If things had gone a little differently, he might have joined Whitey Bulger’s Winter Hill gang instead.

    http://www.bu.edu/today/2013/whitey-the-story-of-a-monster/

    If they would have him.

    The interesting question is through whom did make the connection to Al Qaeda, and when.

    BTW, did you know that Whitey’s younger brother, William “Billy” Bulger was a former president of the University of Massachusetts, which his younger brother, Dzhokhar (Jihar) attended?

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  157. 154. Older brother was a bully boy. — Tough guy who boxed competitively, but “was aggressive but had no skills” according to teammate. —Tough guy who beat up his girlfriend.

    He just wanted to punish and dominate.

    Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 4/19/2013 @ 1:36 pm

    I haven’t seen it mentioned, but he could have been deported for that domestic violence conviction.

    I guess Napolitano was too busy telling law enforcement to look out for the real threat to pay attention.

    You know the real threat. NRA members, TEA Partiers, and military veterans.

    Steve57 (b238b6)

  158. Daleyrocks – The stuation of a policeman stopping a person whom he doesn’t know is wanted for a terrible crime, and is therefore not prepared for much, and where the wanted person doesn’t know that the policeman knows nothing, and shoots, is one of those things that happens from time to time.

    But precisely this way, with a nationwide manhunt eitehr started or possible, indeed it only happened twice in 50 years.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  159. 147. Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 4/19/2013 @ 12:39 pm

    Good Allah, they killed 3, and wounded 170, before they ran into the cops

    Cops were never a target for them. Civilians were.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  160. Dzhokhar “Jihar” Tsarnaev actually hasn’t been seen since 1:50 am EDT when he drove off in acar over his brotehr’s dead, or soon to be dead, body. The car stopped about 5 blocks away,

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  161. Shh shh shh . . . teh Sammy is thinkering.

    Icy (e08cca)

  162. Icy

    Heard that possibly the mayor of Boston was at the ceremony and may have given the City of Boston Scholarship to the younger one last year

    If thats true thats going to leave a mark

    E.PWJ (1cedce)

  163. Both the father and the older brotehr tamerlin, who probably recruited the younger, were involved in “fixing cars”

    A car repair shop can be a cover for car theft ring.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/1981/0617/061746.html/(page)/2

    Massachusetts has many labels, but none least cherished than its tag as stolen car capital of the world. For 14 consecutive years the Bay State has led the nation by a wide margin in auto theft rate.

    Tamerlin was interested in organized crime. (his amazon.com wish list)

    Car theft was linked to terrorism, at least in Iraq:

    http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2005/10/02/us_car_theft_rings_probed_for_ties_to_iraq_bombings/?page=full

    US car theft rings probed for ties to Iraq bombings

    By Bryan Bender, Globe Staff | October 2, 2005

    WASHINGTON — The FBI’s counterterrorism unit has launched a broad investigation of US-based theft rings after discovering that some of the vehicles used in deadly car bombings in Iraq, including attacks that killed US troops and Iraqi civilians, were probably stolen in the United States, according to senior government officials.

    Inspector John E. Lewis, deputy assistant director of the FBI for counterterrorism, told the Globe that the investigation hasn’t yielded any evidence that the vehicles were stolen specifically for car bombings. But there is evidence, he said, that the cars were smuggled from the United States as part of a widespread criminal network that includes terrorists and insurgents.

    There might be a link there.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  164. I’m taking everything about the “uncle” with a grain of salt. To me, it’s not reasonable that he’s out blabbing and giving interviews, etc. If he’s really the uncle of the murderers and if he really loves this country, would he not be in protective custody while being steamed for absolutely everything–every tiny factoid– he knows about these two and other family members here and abroad?

    elissa (fe2975)

  165. Probably this would be a secondary connection – the real connection must have come through a mosque.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  166. Sammy, it sounds like Dennis Lehane missed a really good Boston plotline.

    elissa (fe2975)

  167. Comment by elissa (fe2975) — 4/19/2013 @ 2:41 pm

    If he’s really the uncle of the murderers and if he really loves this country, would he not be in protective custody while being steamed for absolutely everything–every tiny factoid– he knows about these two and other family members here and abroad?

    The uncle knows nothing. What he did do now, probably at the urging of officials, is ask his nephew to surrender.

    It’s longstanding al Qaeda practice or was in 2001, for members to cut off ties with their families and friends and lie about what they are doing.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  168. Whitey Bulger had a car. And a pressure cooker. That is the connection. wTF

    JD (f6c1a6)

  169. He always paid cash and always came to the shop with a friend. Some come from Turkey, some from Russia they all go to BU, other colleges, drive nice cars have money from their parents.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/19/2013 @ 12:30 pm

    Willing to bet that money comes from somewhere other than their parents.

    NJRob (7d57b5)

  170. Leftist hacks were openly rooting for the Boston bombers to be white bible thumping TEA Party guys with solid NRA credentials but instead, with one down and one to go, it looks like their Chechens are coming home to roost.

    ropelight (7857d7)

  171. “But precisely this way, with a nationwide manhunt eitehr started or possible, indeed it only happened twice in 50 years.”

    Sammy – With the shooting of a president or a bombing of a marathon? WTF are you babbling about?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  172. Re Major Garrett, some ‘unexpected’ news;

    From CBS’ Bob Orr: FBI interviewed Tamarlan Tsarnaev 2 yrs ago abt extremist ties, found nothing & closed file. More on CBS Evening News

    narciso (3fec35)

  173. Neither White Bulger nor Dzhokhar Tsarnaev have ever been in my kitchen.

    luagha (5cbe06)

  174. Apparently — according to what appears to be his real Twitter account — our little bomb dropper was an Obama fan.

    Icy (e08cca)

  175. “Wouldn’t they also believe that the proper response to Muslims bombing the Boston Marathon is to criminalize being Muslim?”

    – The curious Dana

    Pretty sure the proper analogy between

    a wacko using a gun in Newtown and
    a Muslim using a bomb in Boston

    would beg an analogy between guns and bombs. Not guns and Muslims.

    So that those calling for restricting guns after Newtown would be calling for restricting bombs after Boston. Not Muslims.

    Analogously.

    Leviticus (1aca67)

  176. It does beg an analogy between wackos and Muslims, though. When I write it that way.

    Leviticus (1aca67)

  177. Shocked – SHOCKED

    Leviticus (1aca67)

  178. “It does beg an analogy between wackos and Muslims, though. When I write it that way.”

    Leviticus – But the similarities to Lee Harvey Oswald are just eerie.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  179. “Neither White Bulger nor Dzhokhar Tsarnaev have ever been in my kitchen.”

    luagha – But they both slept in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  180. Here is the City of Cambridge police report describing last night’s shooting at MIT and the subsequent carjacking and car chase in Watertown.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  181. Sammy… Fact: The two bothers were sympathetic to al Qaeda… Lee Harvey Oswald was sympathetic, indeed, he wanted “fair play” for Cuba.

    And that’s not all! The oldest brother Tamerlane was an amateur boxer and it’s rumored that Oswald quite often got the sh*t kicked out of him for spouting his Commie views.

    Colonel Haiku (f1519c)

  182. Gunfire in Watertown….I think it’s going down.

    Suspect down.

    Also heard a guy on Fox say Tamerlan was “romanticizing Chechen history” and finding his history. IOW, another victim of Romantic multiculturalism.

    Patricia (be0117)

  183. Colonel Haiku – Facts: Oswald vs. Tsarnaevs

    Bullets – Bombs
    Veteran – No Military Experience
    U.S. Born – Foreign Born

    Question – Separated at birth?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  184. 2nd muzzie is down according to local t.v.

    mg (31009b)

  185. 182. It does beg an analogy between wackos and Muslims, though. When I write it that way.

    Comment by Leviticus (1aca67) — 4/19/2013 @ 3:23 pm

    I’m glad you realized that. I was going to point that out.

    Doesn’t it make everyone feel good that the liberals want to expand what’s “wacko” to include everyone who’s ever been prescribed anxiety medicine so they can take their guns (as is going in NY now due to Cuomo’s NYSAFE Act) or a vet with PTSD?

    We can generalize about them; they’re all effin’ loons.

    But we can’t generalize about Muslims. As if Islam weren’t also a political ideology.

    By the way, PTSD shouldn’t be classified a disorder. Not having PTSD should be a disorder. All PTSD is is a change in your worldview. Yeah, they are really out to kill you.

    Lots of people at that Boston Marathon now have PTSD. And guess, what? They’re right. There are people out to kill you. It’s been the normal human condition for, really, 100% of our existence. It’s the people who think that’s all in the past who are delusional.

    “Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature…. Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.”

    (Helen Keller)

    Sean Collier was the MIT officer killed last night. He got himself killed so the good people of Boston could maintain their illusions about security.

    Steve57 (da9e0e)

  186. CHEchNYa, CHENeY. Coincidence??!!??!?!?!!

    kaf (81bcc7)

  187. 193. CHEchNYa, CHENeY. Coincidence??!!??!?!?!!

    Comment by kaf (81bcc7) — 4/19/2013 @ 4:13 pm

    Not at all. I can hardly wait for President Tiger Beat to go before a national TV audience and claim the Tsarnaev brothers are just another calamity he inherited from the previous administration.

    Steve57 (da9e0e)

  188. “shots fired suspect is down”

    Colonel Haiku (f1519c)

  189. PROFILE
    Should be a bumper sticker.

    mg (31009b)

  190. the old “hiding in the boat” trick…

    Colonel Haiku (f1519c)

  191. “There are no values anymore. People can’t control themselves…”

    Tamerlane certainly had correctly characterized teh Left…

    Colonel Haiku (f1519c)

  192. Re: post #190… yes, daley, the similarities are striking!

    Colonel Haiku (f1519c)

  193. Now they are saying he is alive but surrounded.

    kaf (81bcc7)

  194. He’s holed up inside a house?

    Have the fire trucks standing by.

    Icy (e08cca)

  195. Not the way to end it:

    https://twitter.com/PetesWire/status/325397475143852032/photo/1

    Count ‘im down.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  196. America’s Patriotic Assimilation System is Broken.

    There are different types of assimilation or integration. For example, economic assimilation
    means the immigrant does well materially buys a home and contributes to the productive
    economy. Different forms of assimilation are necessary (e.g. linguistic learning English) but not sufficient. The type of assimilation that ultimately matters most of all is patriotic assimilation: this means first and foremost political loyalty and emotional attachment to the United States.
    No doubt assimilation or integration is occurring in some form today. But the question is: what
    type of assimilation is it? Patriotic or multicultural?
    In a Wall Street Journal column on March 30, 2006, Peggy Noonan wrote: “We are not assimilating our immigrants patriotically now. We are assimilating them culturally.

    RTWT

    http://www.hudson.org/files/publications/Final04-05.pdf

    elissa (fe2975)

  197. this means first and foremost political loyalty and emotional attachment to the United States.

    I would just change that to attachment to the principles of our founding.

    As I have said, the older one wrote to a prof who taught Chechen history (probably aggressor v. victim, as usual). As a worker in higher ed, I know kids are taught to romanticize their ethnicity’s past. Aztecs, for instance, did not engage in mass killing. It goes on…

    The students from Vietnam and Eastern Europe are the vociferous opponents of this blather. Uncle Ruslan gets it too. They lived in agony and they love their freedom this country offers.

    Patricia (be0117)

  198. In a Wall Street Journal column on March 30, 2006, Peggy Noonan wrote: “We are not assimilating our immigrants patriotically now. We are assimilating them culturally.”

    I forget where I read it, but the president of Chechnya while sending his condolences also pointed out that we Americans can’t blame Chechnya for this. Chechnya didn’t radicalize these two. They were raised here, so we should (paraphrasing) “look to ourselves for the root of this evil.”

    Whatever his faults are, he’s right.

    We’re not assimilating our immigrants patriotically? We’re not even assimilating our own kids patriotically.

    That’s what happens when you turn over their education to the America-hating communists in the NEA. Why shouldn’t a couple of Chechen refugees come out of our educational system hating the US as much as the Occupy! crowd.

    Steve57 (da9e0e)

  199. Those same Chechens killed Kadyrov’s father, he’s hunted down exiles as far as Vienna,

    narciso (3fec35)

  200. Totally agree with you, Steve. They are fed U.S. self-loathing along with their free breakfast and lunch.

    Case in point: in Waiting for Superman, a teacher tells a little girl that the Indians respected the Earth and took care of it until the settlers came, and they destroyed it. This was not remarked upon by anyone but me. It’s a lie, but it’s a lie with a purpose. It was shocking.

    Patricia (be0117)

  201. There are number of errors I have to correct, and other things where additional information makes things make more sense. I learned of all sorts of errors and additional information just in the 6pm to 7pm hour of Friday: (Ill add also some other things I learned)

    1. The armed robbery has nothing to do with the bombers (if that was one) So I was right that didn’t fit.

    They did have guns, but a robbery of course would draw attention.

    2. It was different uncle than Ruslan who was called by Tamerlan Wednesday night. Tamerlan called Ruslan an infidel in 2009. That’s when they broke off contact.. the other uncle continued to pray and they even prayed on the phone maybe. Regular 5 times of day prayer is one of the 5 things that keeps a Moslem in good standing. Fasting on Ramadan is another. Sayinmg there is one God and Mohammed is his prophet is another. I don’t remember the other two.

    3. A foreign intelligence agency had asked for the FBI to interview Tamerlin in 2011 – probably Russia. (this is the subject of a post by Patterico)

    The FBI did probably checked againmst databases,
    and interviewed him – determined he was no threat.

    After the bomb he was so low on the radar screen not come to attention. Mother says the whole thing
    is a set-up been followed for 5 years. (Sunday: the mother has since been taken to a hospital and the father is said to have had a seizure) Both father aand mother are now in Dagestan.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  202. The CBS Evening News Friday had them going to Kyrgystan before 1986 – but that’s before
    the trouble. The Satyurday newspaper explained this – people still haven’t caught on.

    In 1943, Stalin deported the Chechnyans to
    Kyrgyzstan, then of course the Kirghiz Soviet Socialist Republic. This was possibly the first of anumber of deportations of ethnic minorities that Stalin did during World War II. His advisers probably had explained Hitler’s murdering of the Jews as a security measure, and Stalin decided to imitate it but do something last drastic. In the 1950’s after Stalins death the Chechnyans were allowed to go back and most dead but some stayed includinmg the family of father. At the end of 1991 the only way for Yeltsin to get easily rid of Gorbachev was for every “republic” to secede, and they did and all the separate SSrs became indepdent countries. This probably mad ethe situation of Chechnians in Kyrgyzstan less comfortable and his father moved to Dagestan, where his wife was from. Dagestan (and Chechnya as well) had not been made into SSRs by Stalin but only Republics within Russia and so they did not become independent countries.

    It’s little decisions by Stalin and maybe Khrushchev that caused all kinds of problemsd. Khrushchev in 1954 transferred the Crimea from Russia to the Ukraine so there’s a whole issue there. None of this made a bit of difference before 1991, or almost none.

    The family may have moved back to Kyrgyzstan and then again maybe to Dagestan. They never were in Chechnya.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  203. The younger son came to the US with his parents in Sep 2002 – when he would have been 9 maybe 8 but they keep on giving younger ages. The older son came with his two sisters in 2003. The younger son (which means probably the entire family or those under 18) got asylum in Feb 2007.

    That means they probably came her on a vistor’s visa and then asked for asylum. that would explain also only some of the family going at first – it’s easier to obtain a visa if it’s not the entire family goimng. An aunt was here maybe more.

    The aunt is not being mentioned now, but there is now an uncle in Maryland who used to live in Massachusetts until 2005, and another uncle also in Maryland and an aunt in Canada.

    And one sister of the brothers’ s now lives in West New York, New Jersey http://www.westnewyorknj.org and the FBI came and took her computer Probably becauzse she used to communicate with her brother and they are trying to get all his e-mails, probably e-mail addresses and so on.

    Dzhokhar Tsarnaev became a citizen on Sept 11, 2012. It was probably scheduled that way deliberately. 2012 would be after the minimum 5 years since obtaining permanent residence.

    Dzhokhar did not speak with an accent at all – this could mean his parents arranged for English teachers while he was still in Russia. Tamerlan spoke with a Russian accent. Tamerlan could not get citizenship because of the domestic violence issue. If he waited a number of years after that, and there was no bad character to report in the previous 5 years or whatever he probably could have.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  204. It was the grandson of the Chechen chief Shamil. who headed the Northern Caucasus Republic, which had given Stalin some trouble at the outset, some of whom, defected to the Nazis, during the War, also said Shamil, ran a network out of Munich after the war, into the Caucasus.

    narciso (3fec35)

  205. Dzhokhar’s father was probably more correct than we think about his son studying to be a doctor.

    It was not pre-med, but he was studying nursing (it is reported)

    Now in Russia there exists a lower category of doctor called a feldshur, which is often nowadays compared to a nurse.

    I first heard of a feldshur in 1979 when I was reading a “biography” and diary of someone born in 1869 in Russia that was in Yiddish. Thsi dates back before the 1917 and I later foudn out this still exists.

    Here is a Wikipedia article:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feldsher

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  206. 213. I found:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountainous_Republic_of_the_Northern_Caucasus

    The Mountainous Republic of the Northern Caucasus (MRNC; also known as the Mountain Republic or the Republic of the Mountaineers; 1917–1920) was a short-lived state situated in the Northern Caucasus. It included most of the territory of the former Terek Oblast and Dagestan Oblast of the Russian Empire,[citation needed] which now form the republics of Chechnya, Ingushetia, North Ossetia–Alania, Kabardino-Balkaria, Dagestan and part of Stavropol Krai of the Russian Federation.

    So we see noobody then was contemplating the precise republics that they were after 1991.

    That wasn’t in the time of Stalin – that belongs to the oeriod of Lenin and the Russian Civil War. It’s all much more obscure and little known than it should be.

    Wikipedia says:

    The main founders of the MRNC included[citation needed] Said Shamil (grandson of Imam Shamil, who in 1924 would become a founder and leader of the “Committee of Independence of the Caucasus” in Germany…

    Interestingly, the Weimar Republic also co-operated militarily with the Soviet Union – training or some other stuff they couldn’t do openly took place there.

    Imam Shamil was born in 1797 and lived to 1871.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  207. the younger Shamil was also running a network into Russia after 1945 (or 1948 or whenever it started?)

    And what happened in between?

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)


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