Big Media Earns Your Trust!
The New York Post has published, on its front page, pictures of two men the Post says are suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing. Just one problem:
CBS’ John Miller says these men identified by the NYPost are not the two suspects law enforcement seek. twitter.com/mylesnmiller/s…
— Myles N. Miller (@mylesnmiller) April 18, 2013
Whom to trust, whom to trust? The Post, which told us there were 12 people killed in the Boston Marathon bombings? Or CBS, which gave us Rathergate?
In a situation like this, I like to go to a neutral third party for confirmation of important details. Let’s ask CNN! . . . which told us yesterday that a suspect had been arrested for the Boston Marathon bombings. Or Fox News, the Associated Press, or The Boston Globe, which echoed those reports.
I know! Let’s ask the New York Daily News, the organization that manipulated a photo of the Boston Marathon to remove unwanted gore, thus violating clear ethical standards.
No, my friends, readers of this blog especially know that when you have a hunger for the unvarnished, reliable truth, delivered without regard to political bias, there’s really only one place to go.
The Los Angeles Times.
Now pardon me while I go throw up.
so many propaganda whores
only a handful of journalists anymore
this is consistent with what you’d expect to see under fascism or something
happyfeet (8ce051) — 4/18/2013 @ 7:11 amI’m convinced now that the arrest that wasn’t, was in fact the Saudi student gathered up for deportation. Just a hunch.
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/18/2013 @ 7:18 amAll those layers and layers of fact checkers and editors.
JD (f6c1a6) — 4/18/2013 @ 7:26 amCBS’ John Miller says these men identified by the NYPost are not the two suspects law enforcement seek.
The very nature of a spectator who, unlike those around him, is looking off in another direction from where a presumably interested bystander would have his eyes turned to — and the fact he does look, er, uh, sort of Middle-Eastern-ish — doesn’t seem like a credible suspect. Besides, the bombing probably was due to a disgruntled worker for the Boston Marathon, another instance of workplace violence.
With the Youtube-video-ized, keystone-cops nature of Benghazi, with the US military now notorious for its own clueless politicing (shout out to Fort Hood!), with the confidence we can have knowing that Jeremiah Wright’s former parishioner occupies the Oval Office, the most sarcastic comments that one can direct to the people dealing with the bombing in Boston no longer are necessarily sarcastic.
Mark (55740e) — 4/18/2013 @ 7:28 amBeck is (continuing from hannity last PM) saying the saudi national who was a person of interest and in the hospital who is “no longer a person of interest” is being deported on the sly
after a mystery undocumented visit by somebody at the WH yesterday.
they are discussing it now.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 4/18/2013 @ 7:40 amA: Just remember 3 Days of the Condor was fiction.
B: Truth is stranger than fiction.
C: Truth is stranger than 3 Days of the Condor.
What did I say that the truth curve on this would resemble Benghazi- gross error, then more info, then claims some of the info was misleading, then silence with suspicion of what was “misleading” was really true, or just the tip of the iceberg.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 4/18/2013 @ 7:45 amMs Atkisson is doing some e cellent reporting on Benghazi. She must be fired.
JD (f6c1a6) — 4/18/2013 @ 7:52 amBut this will encourage you:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/04/amanda-thatchers-reading.php
We do have a “Lady Thatcher”, it is just unfair to ask a 19 yo young woman to be Joan of Arc because no one else can make a dent.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 4/18/2013 @ 7:52 am“Beck is (continuing from hannity last PM) saying the saudi national who was a person of interest and in the hospital who is “no longer a person of interest” is being deported on the sly
after a mystery undocumented visit by somebody at the WH yesterday.”
– MD in Philly
That sounds about right.
For Beck, I mean.
Leviticus (1aca67) — 4/18/2013 @ 7:53 amBeck’s head news guy says they are getting assistance from reporters at other networks on the developing Boston story, but none of the other networks are running with it.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 4/18/2013 @ 7:53 amJournalists all seem to share one major personality quirk:
They don’t seem to have any awareness of or appreciation for the fact that their knowledge is limited.
Amphipolis (d3e04f) — 4/18/2013 @ 7:55 amAnd you still listen to Hannity? to Beck?
Oh my goodness!
Perry (d7a158) — 4/18/2013 @ 7:55 amNBC’s Pete Williams had it right!
Perry (d7a158) — 4/18/2013 @ 7:56 amFWIW, as I’ve said before
I heard about the sub-prime collapse on beck months before it happened. maybe others knew it, and actually he would say some did, but no one else was talking about it.
BTW,
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 4/18/2013 @ 7:58 amdue to logistical issues I had the pork (once seared) and chilis and spices in the slow cooker overnight, recently mixed with the hominy in a big pot on the stove (Juanita’s Maiz Estilo Mexicano no less)
smells good.
A: Just remember 3 Days of the Condor was fiction.
But there’s one connection that regrettably relates to real life: that movie’s main character was played by Robert Redford, a latte-sipping liberal — with all the corresponding lack of common sense — if there ever was one. His ilk (or mindset) is all over the US government, including in the White House and a military infused with political correctness run amok.
Mark (55740e) — 4/18/2013 @ 7:59 amI don’t listen to Hannity as I primarily do not like his style.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 4/18/2013 @ 8:03 amAs I said already above, i listen to beck because I have learned things there i learned no where else. That does not mean I trust all that he says.
And while we are at it, the reason I listen to rush when I can is because the first time I ever did it was when he was playing clips of David Kay’s testimony before the Senate on findings in Iraq. He was the only place i ever heard enough of the exchange not to be misleading, unlike the rest of the media editing it to make ted kennedy sound good.
“due to logistical issues I had the pork (once seared) and chilis and spices in the slow cooker overnight, recently mixed with the hominy in a big pot on the stove (Juanita’s Maiz Estilo Mexicano no less).”
– MD in Philly
Slow-cooker. Good call.
Leviticus (1aca67) — 4/18/2013 @ 8:04 amleviticus-
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 4/18/2013 @ 8:13 amis this supposed to be a little watery like soup, or thick with just minimal water beteeen the pork and hominy
and, this is tasty but not real “hot”, did i get weak green chilis, or is part of the goodness of green chilis that you can actually taste it?
Three Days of the Condor was based on the book Six Days of the Condor by James Brady, and Brady was a CIA conspiracist. He had other books in that vein. It was the fashion back then to make the CIA the bad guy — it sold books and movie tickets. Who was that former admiral CIA Director who essentialy neutered the CIA under Carter with help from some Senators.
nk (d4662f) — 4/18/2013 @ 8:18 ami usually add a spoonful of sour cream to my bowl mr. dr. – this makes it taste more better plus it gives it a little more heft
if you want it more spicy but not super spicy I think the bestest one for soup is cholula – but if you want to let it simmer awhile longer blender up a jalapeno with a little of the broth you’re cooking with and add that
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000QFRJSA/ref=asc_df_B000QFRJSA2478128?smid=A3NTSZEDQ0ZV85&tag=dealtmp649312-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395105&creativeASIN=B000QFRJSA
happyfeet (8ce051) — 4/18/2013 @ 8:18 amIt may have been under Ford.
nk (d4662f) — 4/18/2013 @ 8:20 amI’ve enjoyed NBC’s coverage of this, if only because of this guy, Pete Williams, who throws cold water over every rumor or speculation that someone “reports”. He strikes me as the most reasonable reporter/analyst of this whole tragedy.
Kman (5576bf) — 4/18/2013 @ 8:22 am“is this supposed to be a little watery like soup, or thick with just minimal water beteeen the pork and hominy
and, this is tasty but not real “hot”, did i get weak green chilis, or is part of the goodness of green chilis that you can actually taste it?”
– MD in Philly
I think it should be more like soup/stew, with a decent amount of brothiness – but there are different schools of thought on the matter.
As far as the green chile goes, you can find some really hot Lemitar stuff, but I tend to think that part of the goodness of green chile is that you can taste it.
Leviticus (1aca67) — 4/18/2013 @ 8:24 amI shudder to think who Perry’s regular trusted media “go to” source is.
elissa (5d6872) — 4/18/2013 @ 8:30 amMD, Leviticus,
Please remind me of the name of this delicious-sounding dish?
Pious Agnostic (6ff605) — 4/18/2013 @ 8:46 amStill wet behind ears
Colonel Haiku (fc1c1f) — 4/18/2013 @ 8:56 amLeviticus would Rather
Yeah… I’m just sayin’
nk, that was Adm. Stansfield Turner
radar (257ad5) — 4/18/2013 @ 8:57 amPerry’s a SchultzMan, Elissa.
Colonel Haiku (fc1c1f) — 4/18/2013 @ 8:59 amHere are some examples of people I trust, Elissa:
I already mentioned NBC Pete Williams. And there are plenty of others: NBC David Gregory; NBC Chuck Todd; The PBS News Hour correspondents; CBS 60 Minutes correspondents; CBS Sunday Morning correspondents; MSNBC Chris Hayes, Melissa Harris-Perry, Steve Kornacki, Alex Wagner, Andrea Mitchell, Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O’Donnell, and many more.
Whom do you trust, Elissa?
Perry (d7a158) — 4/18/2013 @ 9:01 am“Please remind me of the name of this delicious-sounding dish?”
– Pious Agnostic
It’s called posole – pork/green chile/hominy stew.
Leviticus (1aca67) — 4/18/2013 @ 9:03 amPerry only has time to pay attention to the media in between his efforts to return land stolen from the indigenous peoples, bringing justice to people of color, and his tireless efforts for social justice and a living wage, because he like, you know, cares and whatnot.
Jack Klompus (2b072c) — 4/18/2013 @ 9:04 am#23, elissa, it’s the usual disinformation hacks: Media Matters, Talking Points Memo, MSNBC, Think Progress, Soros funded sites, really just any loony left propaganda outlet, the more left field the more likely he is to swallow their disinformation wholesale and then try to pass it off as the unvarnished revealed word handed down by the patron saints of Kumbaya.
ropelight (18f2e4) — 4/18/2013 @ 9:04 amAssorted news accounts say the police did distribute pictures of those two, and “just want to talk” to them.
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/18/2013 @ 9:05 amPerry, given how often those you list have been caught brazenly lying, your “trust” is hilarious.
SPQR (7889bd) — 4/18/2013 @ 9:12 amI’m really shuddering now.
elissa (5d6872) — 4/18/2013 @ 9:18 amPerry is a good little secproggie
JD (f6c1a6) — 4/18/2013 @ 9:19 amI had the same feeling. If he was on a merelyn expired visa, why the hustle?
We will know for sure, if no one else is ever arrested.
Patricia (be0117) — 4/18/2013 @ 9:37 amSays SPQR, who undoubtedly relies on Fox News for the unvarnished truth. Correct?
How about giving us a few examples of these alleged brazen lies.
Perry (d7a158) — 4/18/2013 @ 9:41 amI don’t think he has been deported yet.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 4/18/2013 @ 9:44 amI’m praying there will be people in the midst who are brave enough to step up with the truth, and are kept safe doing it.
After Obama’s domestic gun running operation, Fast-n-Furious, blew up in his face, and after his International gun running operation, Benghazi, blew up in his face, is it time to consider that the 2nd Boston Massacre is also a White House operation gone wrong?
Speculation centers on the use of over-the-counter gun powder commonly used by hunters and target shooters to reload cartridges as the primary explosive used in these latest pressure cooker type IEDs.
After the on-the-spot facilitators are long gone, the authorities can reveal their previously selected and appropriately credentialed bitter clinger: white gun nut hunter, NRA member, TEA Party protesting church going pick-up truck driving registered Republican, who listens to Rush Limbaugh’s radio program, the evil totalitarians can proceed to the next level of gun control.
Obama is determined to ban the sale and possession of gun powder, bullets, and primers to make shooters completely dependent on ammo sales from retail outlets. Then you’ll need a license to buy ammo and you’ll have to turn-in your expended brass as a condition of purchase, all according to a highly specific and well-regulated federal rationing system.
Welcome to Obama’s Brave New World.
ropelight (18f2e4) — 4/18/2013 @ 9:48 amAnd the evidence for that is what, ropelight?
Nevermind answering, there is none!
Perry (d7a158) — 4/18/2013 @ 9:54 amSays SPQR, who undoubtedly relies on Fox News for the unvarnished truth. Correct?
And the evidence for that is what, Perry?
JD (b63a52) — 4/18/2013 @ 9:59 amPete Williams. And there are plenty of others
: NBC David Gregory;
NBC Chuck Todd;
The PBS News Hour correspondents
CBS 60 Minutes correspondents
CBS Sunday Morning correspondents
MSNBC Chris Hayes
Melissa Harris-Perry
Steve Kornacki
Alex Wagner
Andrea Mitchell
Rachel Maddow
Lawrence O’Donnell
You forgot Ed Schultz, Keith Olbermann, Al Sharpton, Cenk Uygur, Daily Kos, Piers Morgan, Martin Bashir,and Amanda Marcotte
JD (b63a52) — 4/18/2013 @ 10:03 amPerry, since I’ve not watched Fox News for around at least a year, we can see what a liar you are.
Grow up, Perry, your impression of a eighth grader is too dead-on.
SPQR (768505) — 4/18/2013 @ 10:08 amIn the media? I don’t trust ANY of those assholes.
mojo (8096f2) — 4/18/2013 @ 10:08 amPerry… O’Donnell hasn’t been the same since the late Cathy Seipp gelded him. The remainder of your list proves that if the lies are from the Left, they carry heft… at least in your world.
Colonel Haiku (a2b90e) — 4/18/2013 @ 10:27 amPassion and Anger
Colonel Haiku (a2b90e) — 4/18/2013 @ 10:30 amObama exhibits them
At most mundane times
Napolitano seems very concerned about the wellbeing of this fellow;
http://tiny.cc/dmvpvw
narciso (3fec35) — 4/18/2013 @ 10:37 amnarciso, the guys got mental issues obviously.
SPQR (768505) — 4/18/2013 @ 10:45 amColonel Haiku, damn I miss Cathy Seipp.
SPQR (768505) — 4/18/2013 @ 10:46 amYep, she is missed.
Colonel Haiku (0bd0c5) — 4/18/2013 @ 11:25 amI’m sure it was an oversight, but Perry failed to mention Christiane Amanpour as one of his wisdom dispensers. And I’m sure he was a great fan of Saddam’s spokeman back in the day, whatever his name was. And I suppose Ralph Nader with his corvair campaign, and the exploding trucks on NBC were his introduction to the adult world.
I often wonder if Perry is real. For many of the remarks on this blog he is the contextual equivalent of Hte One’s oratorical strawmen. The only significant difference is that most of the discussions on this board would benefit from Perry’s absence, whereas Hte One’s utterances would be completely adrift without his fictional opponents, who serve to underpin his metaphysical understanding of the world. But I suppose it is good to be reminded on a daily basis that Perrys do exist and alas vote.
bobathome (c0c2b5) — 4/18/2013 @ 12:07 pmChris Muir has a suspect…
SPQR (768505) — 4/18/2013 @ 12:08 pmIt isn’t that I trust any of these news outlets, but they’re getting their information from somewhere. The Obama administration has done this before. Authorized conflicting, false stories to be leaked to basically just discredit the reporting.
Muddying the waters when there’s something to hide. Does anyone actually think that meeting between Kerry and the Saudi foreign minister that was abruptly closed, and the unscheduled meeting Obama had with the Saudi foreign minister, after the Boston bombing was about Syria?
Steve57 (b238b6) — 4/18/2013 @ 12:08 pmThe reason Napolitano won’t explain what’s going on with the Saudi kid? “there’s been so much reported on this that’s been wrong I can’t even begin to tell you.” God forbid she just correct the record and lay out the facts herself when directly asked.
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/18/2013 @ 12:34 pmSteve, that’s all speculation and no facts, therefore utterly useless!
Perry (d7a158) — 4/18/2013 @ 12:45 pmHer reason for not giving correct info is that someone irresponsible put out bad info, or something. That doesn’t seem like a very good reason for not explaining why a person of interest with terror ties is innocent also but being scheduled to be deported.
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/18/2013 @ 1:09 pmPerry, I realize if anyone should be the expert on utterly useless it would be you. But the problem is you’re also an idiot.
Leaking conflicting stories is precisely what they did after the Benghazi attack.
Steve57 (b238b6) — 4/18/2013 @ 1:13 pmPrecisely, Sarah. She could clear things up. But Napolitano refused to.
In other words, the only information this administration wants Congress to have is what’s leaked to the press. Which, again, is conflicting and inaccurate.
Steve57 (b238b6) — 4/18/2013 @ 1:15 pmWhom to trust, whom to trust? The Post, which told us there were 12 people killed in the Boston Marathon bombings?
They seem to have been right about the number of wounded, though. That was a glaring error. It hadn’t been corrected on their website as of 8:52 pm eastern time the first night, according to what Michael”Savage” said on the radio, but now he’s been wrong about a few things -probably not about what he saw..
Or CBS, which gave us Rathergate?
CBS. CBS pretty much fired Dan Rather – at least near enough so that Dan Rather sued – but CBS had stuck to the letter of its contract.
John Miller has been pretty much in line with what was reported eleswhere, although sometimes a bit late. But sometimes quite early.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/18/2013 @ 1:32 pmIn a situation like this, I like to go to a neutral third party for confirmation of important details. Let’s ask CNN! . . . which told us yesterday that a suspect had been arrested for the Boston Marathon bombings. Or Fox News, the Associated Press, or The Boston Globe, which echoed those reports.
I heard that the Boston police had also been told that. Two briefings yestertday weer cancelled. Michael Savage claimed the FBI had threatened to cut off Boston police from anmti-terrorism information if they held a press conference and went public with something. Also noted that there was bad blood between the Boston police and the FBI because of the Whitey Bulger case. Michael Savage was wrong though about who was carrying the automatic weapons – he said it wasn’t the Boston police but federal people, but in another place I read it was the National Guard and two other things both not federal if I remember right.
I know! Let’s ask the New York Daily News, the organization that manipulated a photo of the Boston Marathon to remove unwanted gore, thus violating clear ethical standards.
It seems like it was the original souirce – Boston TV station channel 7 that did that.
It also didn’t say in one place that two photos were of different scenes.
No, my friends, readers of this blog especially know that when you have a hunger for the unvarnished, reliable truth, delivered without regard to political bias, there’s really only one place to go.
The Los Angeles Times.
You almost have to read everything between the lines.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/18/2013 @ 1:38 pm54.The reason Napolitano won’t explain what’s going on with the Saudi kid? “there’s been so much reported on this that’s been wrong I can’t even begin to tell you.” God forbid she just correct the record and lay out the facts herself when directly asked.
Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 4/18/2013 @ 12:34 pm
That’s another classic. Since you use quotation marks I’ll assume it is indeed a quote-
Sounds like she’s been taking lessons from the same person that gave Hillary the “what difference does it make now”
If there is a Pulitzer for Obfuscation this person, whoever they are, is at the head of the list
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 4/18/2013 @ 1:39 pmOne important clue: The video where somebody is shown dropping a bag and talking on a cell phone was taken from a Lord and Taylor across the street between the two bomb explosion sites .
That’s what several different sources say. See, for example:
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/17/cnn-boston-marathon-bombings-suspect-identified-in-surveillance-video/
I saw the same information I think in a New York City paper.
The Lord and Taylor store is BETWEEN the two bomb blast sites.
It therefore, CANNOT be someone leaving a bomb.
That video runs continously. It was said to be the best video for that reason.
Now, either the man picked up the bag again and went out of camera range, or someone else picked up the bag and left, or the bag was still theere at the time of the explosions – and somebody has got to know what.
But, wait!
On the other hand, this story from the Boston Globe says the Lord and Taylor store was directly across the street from the site of the second blast:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/2013/04/17/boston-medical-center-reports-five-year-old-boy-critical-condition-victims-treated-from-boston-marathon-bombings/UiktKly60y4m8UVHeNu8NP/story.html
Or the Associated Press:
http://www.thedailytimes.com/Local_News/story/Video-from-Lord–Taylor-department-store-shows-suspect-in-Boston-Marathon-bombings-id-035462
Of course, doing a careful lawyerly Clintonian analysis of the last two stories, nobody is necvessarily saying that the Lord and Taylor store is directly across the street from the Forum restaurant and the mailbox!
Maybe somebody can use Google Maps or something to tell which story is right?
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/18/2013 @ 2:04 pmComment by Mark (55740e) — 4/18/2013 @ 7:28 am
The very nature of a spectator who, unlike those around him, is looking off in another direction from where a presumably interested bystander would have his eyes turned to — and the fact he does look, er, uh, sort of Middle-Eastern-ish — doesn’t seem like a credible suspect.
He’s not the Saudi student. He’s too old, also.
He’s the man who started chasing after the Saudi student and tackled him. (if John Miller’s story is right – John Miller is the only pone who had it)
The picture is such so that the Saudi student would be out of camera range.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/18/2013 @ 2:07 pm…and no facts, therefore utterly useless!
A typical Perry comment.
JD (f6c1a6) — 4/18/2013 @ 2:18 pmBesides, the bombing probably was due to a disgruntled worker for the Boston Marathon, another instance of workplace violence.
My best guess at this time: An al-Qaeda cell based in Montreal, Canada.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1381033/WikiLeaks-Montreal-mosque-Al-Qaeda-recruiting-zone.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/04/25/guantanamo-montreal-mosque.html
(Now that list of 9 recuirting sites dates from over ten years ago, and in fact it was compiled for help in determining the backgrounds of people in Guantanamo. If they ever went there, it was a red flag.
This was denied by the people currently running the mosque:
http://www.muslimcouncil.org/en/2011/04/muslim_council_of_montreal_rejects_allegations_that_montreal_mosque_is_terr.html
Al Qaeda and associates indeed may no longer be using that mosque. But there’s a good case for somewhere else in Montreal, or Quebec.
somebody who uploaded this thinks there might be a connection to al Qaeda I don’t know why:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU-mn1tJtQA
With the Youtube-video-ized, keystone-cops nature of Benghazi, with the US military now notorious for its own clueless politicing (shout out to Fort Hood!), with the confidence we can have knowing that Jeremiah Wright’s former parishioner occupies the Oval Office, the most sarcastic comments that one can direct to the people dealing with the bombing in Boston no longer are necessarily sarcastic.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/18/2013 @ 2:20 pmSorry for quoiting that last paragraph from comment 4
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/18/2013 @ 2:21 pmGet ready, the FBI is hold their long delayed press conference. Let’s hope they have something of value to tell us.
It’s on now, they have identified a single person of interest.
Now, they have a second suspect, they’re going to release a pictures, white hat and black hat. They want the public to look only at these two and at no one else.
ropelight (18f2e4) — 4/18/2013 @ 2:25 pmJust watched it all here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/18/boston-bombing-fbi-images-suspects-live They went to the video.
The suspect 2 in the white backward hat, and the black hat who walks before him, are, not to put to fine a point on it, not a lefty’s general notion of a Teaparty villian. Their appearance is certainly not inconsistent with persons of middle eastern extraction. I think they will be able to get better images now that the tapes are out.
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/18/2013 @ 2:39 pmSo I’m not saying its Jihadis but its Jihadis.
nk @19, 21 I think you must be thinking of Stansfield Turner.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stansfield_Turner
What happened undser Ford was the issuance of the report of the Church Committee, And President Ford issuing the executive order prohibiting assassinations in 1975.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee
One little noticed thing reported around then I think from the committee – VP Nelson Rockefeller was particularly interested in making a point of it – was that the US had had advance knowledge of the Arab oil embargo and the Yom Kippur War – but this had not been put into an intelligence assessment because the NSA ( think it was) refused to turn over its sources to the CIA for independent evaluation, so the CIA just refused to pass it on.
What had happened was that Anwar Sadat had notified Saudi Arabia of the plans for attack and Saudi Arabia had in turn planned an oil embargo in conjunction with the war, which in the end, did nothing except raise prices.
The Church Commmittee had reported on about 5 or 6 plots, none of which came to fruition. Also some other bad things from 20 years before. (the 1950s)
The raw material for the Church committee came from James Schlesinger, who in the 3 months he was CIA Director under President Nixon from January 1973 to April 1973, had ordered the collection of a list of things the CIA might have done that might have been wrong or illegal, which he or somebody else called “the family jewels.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Jewels_(Central_Intelligence_Agency)
The reports that constitute the CIA’s “Family Jewels” were commissioned in 1973 by then CIA director James R. Schlesinger, in response to press accounts of CIA involvement in the Watergate scandal — in particular, support to the burglars, E. Howard Hunt and James McCord, both CIA veterans..
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/18/2013 @ 2:47 pm68. WHERE are they? Where was that camera?
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/18/2013 @ 2:48 pmThere’s also a photograpoh of a woman carrying a handbag that looks like the same color as what I thought was probably a paper bag inside the the white bag that was standing next to the mailbox where the second bomb exploded. Later there’s anotehr picture of that woman without the handbag if I am right. I am not sure how to work that into a bomb plot.
She might have dropped it accidentally into the bomb bag.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/18/2013 @ 2:52 pmQ. Were any bags being left on the roadway for runners to pick up, maybe drink water?
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/18/2013 @ 2:52 pmIn the meantime anyway, can anyone tell me the true location of the Lord and Taylor store in relation to the mailbox?
Is the mailbox in the picture?
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/18/2013 @ 2:53 pmHere is a sharp profile image of white-hat, from legal insurrection, who has all the pics collected http://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Boston-Marathon-Suspect-White-Hat-Enhanced-Resolution.jpg
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/18/2013 @ 2:53 pmDeceptive Orwellian editing of audio and video is now a regular practice at NBC and MSNBC. So naturally most of the people he trusts are from there.
Gerald A (82a59d) — 4/18/2013 @ 3:05 pmThen there’s the many things they DON’T report also in Orwellian fashion, like Fast and Furious and a few dozen other things just since Obama took office.
Gerald A (82a59d) — 4/18/2013 @ 3:06 pmHow about giving us a few examples of these alleged brazen lies.
We can start with their vendetta against GM with the “exploding” side-saddle fuel tanks on the pick-up trucks….except they didn’t explode from the side-impact of the crash, but had to be detonated with an explosive device.
askeptic (b8ab92) — 4/18/2013 @ 4:01 pmThat brazen lie!
This is the hat on white-hat guy. http://i.imgur.com/qCLsgiQ.jpg The black hat guy is wearing a bridgestone golf hat.
But apparently per some tweets from the ever-reliable MSM, the FBI may already have names. I’m not surprised, the pics are enough to recognize.
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/18/2013 @ 4:01 pmWell, the New York Post had the wrong two. The FBI or some people in the FBI may have been looking for the two in the New York Post, but they settled on anotehr two later.
One problem:
One of the two they are now looking for is said to have put the second bomb down less than 12 minutes before the explosion. We don’t have a picture of him doing this. The bag by the mailbox is said to have been there maybe an hour before. Who is wrong. Are we talking about the same spot? Do we have agreement as to where the second bomb detonated?
The second bomber is also said to have stayed by the bag he put down until the first explosion, at which point he began running. Possible maybe if he was watching to make sure nobody took it away anmd eitehr lost track of time, unlike, presumabbly bomber number 1, or had the wrong time on his watch.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/18/2013 @ 4:01 pmIf thoise two are completely innocent, they will probably turn themselves in within 48 hours, possibly after hiiring a lawyer.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/18/2013 @ 4:02 pmThe New York Daily news headline and first couple of pages today was about the gun bill. Boston marathon massacre coverage started on page 8.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/18/2013 @ 4:04 pmAnd the major media has been strangely incurious in attempting to track down and interview anyone who was in Benghazi, and Issa’s Committee has had to advise the CIA that they need to ensure that any outside counsel engaged by CIA personnel in answering his, and other Congressional Committee inquiries, are allowed access to classified material that these insiders may need for their testimony with appropriate security clearance for said counsel.
askeptic (b8ab92) — 4/18/2013 @ 4:04 pmI’ll bet Perry never missed
mg (31009b) — 4/18/2013 @ 4:08 pm” The Phil Donahue Show”
Off topic: Economists may be all wrong about the dangers of the federal debt (or about any kind of special tipping point, anyway)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/18/rogoff-reinhart-deficit-research-false/print
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/18/2013 @ 4:09 pmI don’t know what’s real anymore. http://www.therightscoop.com/ice-official-no-way-we-are-deporting-that-saudi-national/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRightScoop+%28The+Right+Scoop%29
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/18/2013 @ 4:16 pm85. Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 4/18/2013 @ 4:16 pm
I don’t know what’s real anymore.
Didn’t you say that about Weinergate, or was that somebody else?
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/18/2013 @ 4:24 pmSarahW: I think the story you linked is probably correct. A different Saudi is being deported for different reasons.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/18/2013 @ 4:29 pmAnyone else reminded of the Jodi Arias trial? Every time the evidence contradicted her version of events she came up with another cock-n-bull story.
ropelight (18f2e4) — 4/18/2013 @ 4:39 pmHa ha ha. Legal Insurrection has a posted a copy of George Soros’ obit. No he’s apparently still very much alive. Reuters just prematurely and mistakenly put it out on the internet with an XX date of death. Does this count as a worthy entry in the “media earns your trust sweepstakes”?
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/04/reuters-publishes-george-soros-obituary-prematurely/
elissa (26c712) — 4/18/2013 @ 5:11 pmWhat would we do without CNN?
http://twitchy.com/2013/04/18/snort-wolf-blitzer-says-boston-bombing-suspects-look-cocky-cnns-coverage-sparks-mockery/
narciso (3fec35) — 4/18/2013 @ 5:23 pmnarciso, the real question is what would the dictators they suck up to around the world do without CNN? Just so they can get a tagline like, “This is CNN, Baghdad.”
Christiana Amanpour, water carrier for dictators:
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/02/21/christiane-amanpour-happy-birthday-president-mugabe/
You’d never know this is how Mugabe and his ZANU-PF party keep power:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21829815
I’ve been to Zimbabwe. I’ve watched their state-controlled media. You won’t see anything on CNN that you wouldn’t see on state-controlled media.
CNN values its access to dictators too much.
Steve57 (b238b6) — 4/18/2013 @ 5:41 pmGrow up, Perry, your impression of a eighth grader is too dead-on.
I wonder how old he is? When I envision the comments from someone like that coming from the mouth (or mind) of a teenager, or someone no older than in his early 20s, I kind of laugh and shrug them off. But when I imagine such leftist nonsense spewing forth from someone much older (hello, Barack!), then I shudder and think, wow, we’re looking at a case of innate deficiency (part of the brain that controls common sense must be damaged).
Mark (791cbf) — 4/18/2013 @ 6:48 pmHe’s not the Saudi student. He’s too old, also.
He’s the man who started chasing after the Saudi student and tackled him. (if John Miller’s story is right – John Miller is the only pone who had it)
The current photos of the presumed suspects are far less clear, far more ambiguous, far less telling than the ones I saw earlier today. One of the two individuals strikes me as having a slightly Asiatic look, the other one looks a bit more Euro-Anglo than Middle-Eastern. In this age of Nidal Hasan and “workplace violence” — and with talk about Obama having an unscheduled meeting with Saudis yesterday — I don’t have much confidence in who or what is being filtered through to the public.
Mark (791cbf) — 4/18/2013 @ 6:56 pmBig Media Earns Your Trust! Part 2.
I’m not done with the New York Post, btw. More later.
Patterico (9c670f) — 4/18/2013 @ 7:06 pmelissa,
I just saw your comment after writing my post, but thanks for the tip, and yes, it obviously does count.
Patterico (9c670f) — 4/18/2013 @ 7:07 pmThe difference is… CBS ‘Rathergate’ was essentially correct, and the NY Post is an unapologetic irresponisibly inaccurate FRAUD.
Dad (b17026) — 4/18/2013 @ 9:15 pmComment by Patterico (9c670f) — 4/18/2013 @ 7:06 pm
I’m not done with the New York Post, btw. More later.
the New York Post did have the Saudi story sooner than anyone else (except that while he was indeed being questioned etc,. he had nothing to do with the bombing.
The real bombers didn’t run – they did the exact opposite: They walked away quietly whole everybody was moving around in random directions.(because, obviously, they knew there were no more bombs, and they were near by because they had had some experience or training and knew how close they could be to the bombs. And there was nothing unexpected so that the a real bomber should run.)
It’s not clear to mne from the reports today whether they were still together at the time of bthe explosions, or separate.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/19/2013 @ 8:31 am“Grow up, Perry, your impression of a eighth
grader is too dead-on.”
Comment by Mark (791cbf) — 4/18/2013 @ 6:48 pm
I wonder how old he is?
Some people here have actually seen him. He was born about 1934. He seems to be slavishly loyal to the politicians he favors, or voted for, and it leads to absurdities.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/19/2013 @ 8:35 amhttp://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2013/04/18/shameless-paper-in-mindless-fog/
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/19/2013 @ 11:50 amI wrote the following last night finishing it at about 11:13 pm eastern time. There was nothing special in the 11 pm news I think.
You could call it:
The Case of the Wrong Bag.
================================
I’ve come to one conclusion, hard as it is to believe. I was hampered bythe fact a picture was blurred.
That white bag with the handbag inside it that the woman standing by the barricade dropped inside it?
It wasn’t the bomb. It didn’t explode. It was just close to the bomb.
That explains why it was there an hour before, and yet the person who is now suspected of placing it there, placed the bomb there less than
12 minutes before it exploded.
The picture shown was not taken at the precise instant of the explosion. It could have sounded like that, but it wasn’t that way. A barricade is
already bent against the mailbox. But, although it is blurred – for no good reason at all – the white bag is still, there, unexploded.
And according to where the injured were in the New York Times diagram in the Wednesday, April 17, 2013 paper, the blast site was slightly to
the left in the picture frame – maybe 5 feet, if that.
And this also explains the mysterious caption “Some of the injured may have moved by
the time photographs were taken in this area.”
What’s that mean? There were fewer there maybe. But “may” – they don’t know? And why should there be such a delay in taking pictures? They are
not even saying the pictures available.
It’s all explained by the idea that the New York Times was confused. The victims were in the wrong place. But if their legs were hurt and they
subsequently didn’t move why should they just move a little bit and then stop?
A. The answer is the New York Times was assuming that the bag next to the mailbox was the source of the blast.
But it wasn’t. !!!
This leaves us with a mighty coincidence though. Two abandoned bags next to each other, only one of which is a bomb. Or could it be maybe not a
coincidence? That is, the bomber decided to leave his bag there because he saw bag in the street. Was somebody even holding a discussion on a
cellphone with someone (I don’t know at what location that call was made) as to whether or not that would be the best place to leave a bomb, even
though it wasn’t that close to the finish line and even though they had planned to leave it somewhere else?
One more point. If that bag was not the bomb, then maybe the bomb was not in the street but on the sidewalk.
There could have been a deliberate misleading of the public by investigators. Police like to keep some details of famous crimes secret, or have what’s public be wrong, so as to guard against false confessions. The investigators asked for the picture to be blurred, but not for the reason stated. Not that it was gruesome – it wasn’t,
and where it was blurred, nothing was there to be gruesome and other parts of the picture weren’t blurred. It was blurred to hide the fact
that the bag near the mailbox was not the bomb. Also, having it blurred made it look like maybe the bag was caught in the process of exploding
– except that the event had already clearly taken place. But it could sort of look like that, and it did.
Maybe this also explains why the location of the Lord and Taylor store was shifted too, and/or made vague.
And maybe they’re also hiding the (possible) fact that they have the Underwriters Laboratory number of the pressure cooker, too.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 4/19/2013 @ 11:55 am