McCain and Graham Are Repulsive
[Guest post by JD]
Sen McCain’s absolutely tone deaf temper tantrum. Good riddance. There is so much bubble babble and BS in that 12 minutes that it is hard to know where to start …
Sen Graham’s less odious tsk tsk tsk …
DRJ asked about the juxtaposition of McCain and Graham having dinner with Teh One, while Rand Paul was engaged in his tour de force, ironically, that ended with Holder and Carney finally admitting that they did not think it would be Constitutional. These two speeches on the floor of the Senate could not possibly be more clarifying.
McCain and Graham are not helpful.
—JD
I didn’t think I could dislike McCain more. He proved me wrong. Very wrong.
Comment by JD (b63a52) — 3/7/2013 @ 12:02 pm
i am not sure repulsive is the exact word I was looking for. But it is close.
Comment by JD (b63a52) — 3/7/2013 @ 12:07 pm
what’s the upside in Meghan’s coward daddy and Princess Lindsey behaving like petulant assholes exactly?
i don’t get it
it’s like they have porky porky chris christie penis envy
Comment by happyfeet (4bf7c2) — 3/7/2013 @ 12:08 pm
i’d say they were both helpful to their personal agendas, what ever those may be.
Comment by redc1c4 (403dff) — 3/7/2013 @ 12:09 pm
This schism between the old guard and the youngsters is striking. And now it will be wider. McCain made sure of that.
Comment by JD (b63a52) — 3/7/2013 @ 12:10 pm
I will keep it clean.
I am still sickofrinos.
Comment by mg (31009b) — 3/7/2013 @ 12:14 pm
when Meghan’s coward daddy finally dies and we have one of those threads where we’re only allowed to say certain things and not others
I’m gonna comment that America and Americans are less free and less prosperous and much much more cynical for this man’s many years of “service.”
You can delete it if you want but I’m a gonna say it.
He’s loathsome.
Comment by happyfeet (4bf7c2) — 3/7/2013 @ 12:14 pm
Graham basically said that prior to this, he was inclined to vote against Brennan, but after this stunt, he will be voting for Brennan, as he now sees it as a referendum on the drone program. Good effin Allah.
He and McCain don’t like how Sen Paul abused the filibuster, so they are going to switch their positions?
By the way, isnt a talking filibuster actually the opposite of abuse of the filibuster?
Those two are disgusting to me.
Comment by JD (b63a52) — 3/7/2013 @ 12:20 pm
Bacon with eggs smothered in white habanero sauce has made my afternoon warm.
Comment by mg (31009b) — 3/7/2013 @ 12:21 pm
At least Toomey, not sure if any others, who dined with the President also made it to the Senate and pitched in.
Lest there was any doubt about these two, none now.
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 3/7/2013 @ 12:21 pm
SC, you’d better primary ‘Look at the head on that thing’ or your reputation is in tatters.
We already know AZ is schizophrenic.
Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 3/7/2013 @ 12:22 pm
8. “isnt a talking filibuster actually the opposite of abuse of the filibuster?”
That’s the way I’d read it, but lately English seems to be anarchist pidgin.
Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 3/7/2013 @ 12:25 pm
I heard Paul say on an interview that the rules include the one talking must stay on the floor and on his feet.
If one wants to go longer you need to have comfortable shoes and some version of a catheter and leg bag.
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 3/7/2013 @ 12:29 pm
Would they please just go away?
Comment by BradnSA (acab35) — 3/7/2013 @ 12:33 pm
This is what those two media whores are upset about.
McConnell extends Rand Paul filibuster: It’ll take 60 votes to proceed with Brennan nomination
Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 3/7/2013 @ 12:54 pm
I agree, Steve57, but I also think they may be upset because Paul upstaged their grand bipartisan moment between Obama and the establishment GOP Senators. How dare Rand Paul ruin their moment of semi-glory?
Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/7/2013 @ 1:00 pm
Repugnant works.
Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 3/7/2013 @ 1:03 pm
But I think I’m going with odious.
Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 3/7/2013 @ 1:04 pm
“Maverick” needs to fold, cash in what chips he has left, and gracefully retire from the game.
Comment by MarkJ (42fe5b) — 3/7/2013 @ 1:06 pm
Watching the video of McCain is even more striking. He is mad. And DRJ is right. Their bipartisan nonsense got overshadowed, and he is pissed.
Comment by JD (b63a52) — 3/7/2013 @ 1:08 pm
Oh, definitely DRJ. Sen. John McCain (John McCain-AZ) and Sen. Lindsey Graham (Lindsey Graham-SC) are prima donnas. They hate being upstaged. Which is why, I believe, they love crossing the aisle and working with Democrats.
Then they get the approving press coverage they crave. Apparently they need to be the center of attention.
Not only was Paul’s filibuster monumental, but Rand Paul’s bipartisan moment was bigger. Even Democrats were praising him.
So they’re going to hate this, too. Paul won.
Holder’s Letter to Rand Paul: ‘No,’ the U.S. Can’t Use Drone to Kill Citizen Not Engaged in Combat on U.S. Soil
Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 3/7/2013 @ 1:12 pm
Well, at least Paul’s bipartisan moment was more substantive.
McCain and Graham’s bipartisan moment just involved not having to sit at the kiddie table when eating with Obama.
Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 3/7/2013 @ 1:16 pm
Kiddie table, indeed. Well said, Steve57.
Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/7/2013 @ 1:21 pm
This is funny, too:
Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/7/2013 @ 1:27 pm
How on earth can McCain still not understand Obama?
McCain is like a battered wife who can’t dump the abuser.
Comment by Gus (694db4) — 3/7/2013 @ 1:29 pm
Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 3/7/2013 @ 12:54 pm
Well, they can always count on Lisa.
McCain became very tiresome in the Gang-of-14 scheme; the last worthwhile thing that Graham has done was to vote in the House for Bubba’s impeachment.
Too bad Sarah had never announced a candidacy for the Presidency in ’07/’08, she would have smoked McCain in the Primary’s, and he’d be in his rocker on the porch of one of those 14 homes his wife owns now.
Comment by askeptic (b8ab92) — 3/7/2013 @ 1:29 pm
It’s awesome that Holder replied like that.
Comment by carlitos (49ef9f) — 3/7/2013 @ 1:29 pm
Holder left himself miles of wiggle room in that.
And the “It has come to my attention that you have now asked an additional question …” is absolute bullshit.
Comment by JD (b63a52) — 3/7/2013 @ 1:31 pm
I am normally a huge fan of theirs but today I’m disappointed in Powerline’s critique of the filibuster and the drone argument vis a vis presidential power. They did not have to say anything. What is their goal? What are they trying to accomplish and who are they trying to impress? How many lefty blogs ever critique Harry Reid’s position –or any Democrat for anything?
The asnwer my friends is almost never.
We constantly eat our own. The Libs don’t.
Comment by elissa (532b8a) — 3/7/2013 @ 1:38 pm
What strikes me about Holder’s letter today is that he still can’t seem to figure out the proper use of the word “constitutional.”
Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/7/2013 @ 1:41 pm
Mccain and Graham were in a colloquy. McCain quoted a Wall Street Journal editorial.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324128504578344700320290068.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
McCain emphasized the word “isn’t” in the Wall Street Journal editorial. [when it said Rand Paul is apparently serious, though his argument isn't]
McCain repeated the words: “The U.S. government cannot randomly target American citizens on U.S. soil or anywhere else.”
I don’t know why anybody wants to drink the Rand Paul Kool-Aid here. Just what is wrong with what Senator McCain said?
I believe the technical academic term for what Rand Paul was saying is bull****ting (when he tried to elaborate)
Mccain said he watched some of that debate yesterday. He said he saw people who know better come to the floor.
McCain said a lot of questions need to be reviewed, including whether the CIA should become its own Air force. And maybe they need new laws. But he thinks we should not have any doubt there are people who qwant to repat 911
Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 3/7/2013 @ 1:47 pm
Considering that DoJ White Paper on the legal justification for using drone strikes to kill Americans defined “imminent” as “not immediate” then you are certainly correct.
But apparently Paul was satisfied as Brennan has been confirmed as CIA director.
I considered it a victory for Paul simply because he provoked a response. And I believe “provoked” is the correct term because Holder had to have written it with gritted teeth. It reeks with irritation.
Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 3/7/2013 @ 1:52 pm
Sammy Finkelman:
What’s wrong is that no one in the Obama Administration would agree that the U.S. government cannot randomly target American citizens on U.S. soil who do not pose an imminent threat. If it’s so obvious that this is the law and that the Obama Administration is subject to it (and, frankly, I think it is clearly the law), then the real question is “Why wouldn’t either Obama or Holder say it?”
Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/7/2013 @ 1:53 pm
Sammy, care to elaborate on how a Hellfire missile from a drone could have stopped 9/11?
Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 3/7/2013 @ 1:55 pm
In other words, why did it take a 12 hour bipartisan filibuster to get the Obama Administration to say that the President does not have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?
Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/7/2013 @ 1:55 pm
33. Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 3/7/2013 @ 1:55 pm
Sammy, care to elaborate on how a Hellfire missile from a drone could have stopped 9/11
It couldn’t, but this is imitating leftists in treating drones as different from any other military weapons, just because they have no pilots.
Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 3/7/2013 @ 2:00 pm
Dear Senator Paul:
It has come to my attention that you have now asked an additional question: “Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?” The answer to that question is no.
Sincerely,
Eric Holder
I would not be surprised if they claim they left open the possibility of crashing a non-weaponized drone into an American not engaged in combat on American soil.
Ever since lawyers could not agree on what the definition of “is” is, it has all been downhill.
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 3/7/2013 @ 2:00 pm
The question for drones and the question for fighter planes is the same question.
Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 3/7/2013 @ 2:00 pm
McCain repeated the words: “The U.S. government cannot randomly target American citizens on U.S. soil or anywhere else.”
Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 3/7/2013 @ 1:47 pm
Absolutely correct. No one can randomly target an American citizen, the president has to do it on purpose.
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 3/7/2013 @ 2:02 pm
35. Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/7/2013 @ 1:55 pm
In other words, why did it take a 12 hour bipartisan filibuster to get the Obama Administration to say that the President does not have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?
Because there are problems with its legal reasoning.
Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 3/7/2013 @ 2:03 pm
#35, DRJ, because Obama really does believe he has that authority and he’s willing to use it if it comes down to dealing with those pesky bitter clingers.
Comment by ropelight (0ea0bb) — 3/7/2013 @ 2:04 pm
+1 for Sammy being as tone deaf as McCain
Comment by JD (b63a52) — 3/7/2013 @ 2:07 pm
Example 4,356 why dumping RINO who can win and replacing them with “bad” Tea Party candidates is better.
Again, to fix the Republic, you first must fix the Republicans. RINOs gotta go by any means needed even if it means (D) wins national elections.
Eventually, out of the bag of Tea Party candidates, some great ones will surface.
I am proud of what Rand did even if Quixotic and also of Ted Cruz. Principles First, not Ego, nor Country. What is a Country with no Principles we care for? A memory? Lots good memories do for my kids.
Principles are what matter. So f* McCain, McConnell, Grasserly and the rest.
Comment by Rodney King's Spirit (951136) — 3/7/2013 @ 2:09 pm
No, Sammy. That’s not it. If the USAF can mount AGM-114 Hellfire missiles on an AH-6 Little Bird there isn’t a Police helo we can’t arm with them.
The Hellfire has been around for 30 years, though, and we’ve never done it. We’ve never had a need to do it.
So why even talk about arming Predators with them over US territory? What purpose would they serve?
It’s not a question of where the pilot is. It’s a question of conducting air strikes on US soil. Why? Why now?
Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 3/7/2013 @ 2:11 pm
Please remember this is the McCain who put EGO FIRST in the Gang of 6 support which submarined a huge budget deal in 2011.
Can’t quit forgive Coburn and Chambliss for that one. Would have been a win for the Republic.
Comment by Rodney King's Spirit (951136) — 3/7/2013 @ 2:14 pm
Actually, Flight 93 is a very strong argument for not targeting a hijacked aircraft. It would have been terrible had it been shot down. We should be very grateful things did not work out that way.
We can conclude that had the hijackers been a little bit less well trained, or the pilot less determined not to tally fail, they would have recovered control of the airplane.
In fact, as it turned out, there were actually only two outcomes possible of tyhat hijacking – either the passengers would recover control of the plane, or it would be crashed by the hijackers. There was no possibility of it hitting the Capitol.
That is truem, however, only because peiople broke federal regulations: They used cell phones while the plane was in the air. Also, while people tried to coinceal the truth from them, too many people did not, and they found out that other planbes had been hijacked and crashed into buildings.
Had it been the first plane of course or even maybe any of the other two, they wouldn’t have gotten as far as they did in recovbering the airplane, but by the fourth crew, Al Qaeda had run out of their best people, and lost the element of surprise..
If this was tried again, in 75 years or so, when protections have bene abandoned, or maybe sooner, in another country, it is a distinct possibility that control of the plane could be recovered, and it should not be policy to readily shoot down an airplane. It should not be assumed that all hijackers for the rest of eternity have the same intentions. Even on September 11, 2001, nobody should have tried to shoot down the airplane before it got very close.
Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 3/7/2013 @ 2:15 pm
J-Linz!
Comment by Colonel Haiku (0b7fd1) — 3/7/2013 @ 2:17 pm
No, they’re not. Fighters take out airborne threats. Which is why it was idiotic for Holder to bring up Pearl Harbor and 9/11 as examples of the kind of threat that could prompt the President to authorize a drone strike.
1. At Pearl Harbor no one asked permission to shoot back since commanders have the inherent authority of self-defense. Ships started firing AAA (the Japanese reported very effective AAA within 5 minutes) and aircraft were launched.
2. On 9/11 aircraft were scrambled ASAP. How to actually engage was entirely up to the pilot. Not the President.
So why does this President’s itchy trigger finger need to be involved? In all other cases we leave that to the lowest level. And what scenario could Obama/Holder possibly be envisioning in which a Hellfire-armed drone would be marginally useful? Holder couldn’t even come up with one in his response to Sen. Paul.
Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 3/7/2013 @ 2:20 pm
Sammy has jumped the drone.
Comment by JD (31065f) — 3/7/2013 @ 2:25 pm
Come on, Sammy; when would a drone armed with an anti-tank missile have made the difference? When could it?
Is the WH going to challenge DHS to a real life “Call of Duty” game to be played between drones and MRAPs all across the country?
Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 3/7/2013 @ 2:25 pm
Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 3/7/2013 @ 2:11 pm
So why even talk about arming Predators with them over US territory? What purpose would they serve?
It’s not a question of where the pilot is. It’s a question of conducting air strikes on US soil. Why? Why now?
I don’t know. Ask Rand Paul why he started talking about this. It’s not like the Administration was about to arm any drones that fly over U.S soil.
The problem here is the Administration does not want to distinguish between a situation of combat and a situation of not combat (when reasoning legally)
Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 3/7/2013 @ 2:32 pm
To the White House, and Holder, drones arte just simply a stand-in for everything else.
Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 3/7/2013 @ 2:33 pm
They tried to offer the same justification for drones over Yemen that would apply in Louisiana.
They threw in the idea of imminent. But immminence was not really a criteria in Yemen, except maybe if you tortured the word.
Somebody being an enemy combatant and the whole area where the drone strike was being done being a non-governed zone was the real criteria.
The trouble is, the Administration may not want to delimit just where drones cvan be used and not used, so they didn’t use LOCATION as a criteria.
It would be easy to just say “war zone” Just say this can only be used where other forms of combat can be used.
But the problem may be that there could perhaps be a location where an arrest (not talking about an arrest by SEALS and the like) was at least an option and yet they might want to do a drone strike.
They don’t want to arrest anybody, any more. Obama has pretty much prohibited all forms of interrogation, except imminent threat or at least specific near term threat knoiwn to the prisoner (at least for people being held as civilians – military prisoners may have even more immunity. They can’t be pressured at all, even with promises of above average treatment.)
They don’t actually do any drone strikes in at least semi-friendly government controlled areas, outside of maybe, let’s say, an ongoing combat situation, but then that wouldn’t be a government controlled area for the time being.
They still could say armed drones woujld be used only in circumstances where other military action was legitimate, but they don’t want to do that.
Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 3/7/2013 @ 2:34 pm
The entire legal justification the Obama Administration has for targeting individuals (with drones, but drones are just a detail) just got off on the wrong foot, apparently because of things they don’t want to say.
This is being exploited by people on the left and by Rand Paul.
Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 3/7/2013 @ 2:35 pm
45. There nearly was a budget deal in 2011?
Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 3/7/2013 @ 2:36 pm
We should have sent Sammy to give Rand Paul a break every now and then.
With Sammy, the filibuster could have had a shot at a full 24 hours.
Comment by Elephant Stone (852a18) — 3/7/2013 @ 2:39 pm
43. La, la, la, they can’t hear you.
Next up, only Christie or Jeb Bush is electable.
You are a rabid bigoted dog if you back a vertebrate instead.
Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 3/7/2013 @ 2:41 pm
Gary Gulrud,
Don’t worry, pal, we’ll have plenty of time to get behind Rubio, Jindal, Ryan, Rand Paul, Scott Walker, Mike Pence, or some other solid conservative for 2016.
This time around, we’ll be able to tell “the establishment” that their electable candidates in ’08 and ’12 didn’t turn out to be so electable.
I think the fact that Bush won in ’00 and ’04 as the establishment’s ‘electable candidate’ give creedence to their argument in ’08 and ’12 that they ‘know’ who’s more electable—but the past two elections have probably discredited their alleged expertise for 2016.
Comment by Elephant Stone (852a18) — 3/7/2013 @ 2:49 pm
Sammy Finkelman #51:
How do you know this? Because some law enforcement agencies are considering arming their domestic drones with nonlethal weapons. IMO it’s likely the federal government is considering these options, too.
Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/7/2013 @ 3:00 pm
I don’t see how even Sarah Palin could endorse Meghan’s coward daddy again, for he has made of himself a creature loathsome beyond all countenance.
A thing to be shunned.
Comment by happyfeet (4bf7c2) — 3/7/2013 @ 3:05 pm
Shunned and scorned.
Like if Casey Anthony were a really old arrogant douchebag with hyper-entitlement issues and an exceedingly nasty temperament.
Comment by happyfeet (4bf7c2) — 3/7/2013 @ 3:07 pm
Actually there were one crewmen short on United 93, the same fellow, that Durbin was lamenting his treatment, Detainee 063, who was a source for the Courier, that gave us Bin Laden, so shooting down might have been the only alternative in this instance.
Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 3/7/2013 @ 3:12 pm
Another slimy nazgul of an attorney, obfuscated the case, even putting her parents on trial, he’s representing the officer, who was pushing for Zimmerman’s indictment, who probably leaked that tape to ABC,
Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 3/7/2013 @ 3:25 pm
Sammy, try to keep up.
Paul didn’t just start talking about it.
The DoJ White Paper released in early February discussing the legal justification to kill US citizens was internally contradictory. Although it purported to discuss US citizens it then transitioned to “any geographic area” and “any person.”
Terms like “no geographic boundaries” apparently nullified the assertion the administration was merely contemplating using drones abroad.
Then you must also remember FBI Director Mueller’s testimony the year before regarding the NDAA and how per that Act the President could delegate his authority under the Laws of War to the FBI:
http://jonathanturley.org/2012/03/08/mueller-i-am-not-sure-whether-i-now-can-kill-citizens-in-the-united-states-under-obamas-kill-doctrine/
Sound familiar?
Given the ambiguity and the fact that the Obama administration refused to answer with a simple yes or no whether or not it had the power to assassination US citizens on US soil lots of people have been talking about this for quite a while.
Rand Paul didn’t just start talking about it.
Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 3/7/2013 @ 3:27 pm
The problem, really lies with the discretion of the operators, either special forces or drone pilots, if we have a shot, we take it, Obama almost doesn’t enter into it, A historic example of the converse, was Clinton refusing to authorize an attack on UBL, in ’99, at the Falconry camp, because of a Emirate prince was also there.
Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 3/7/2013 @ 3:38 pm
Flt-93 – If it had come down to a choice between shoot-down, and the destruction of Capitol Hill or the White House, there were probably a pilot or two in the air that day that would have rammed the damn thing head on it that was what it took to bring it down short of DC.
In fact, didn’t a female NG pilot write about that day and the fact that her flight-leader (Squadron Commander) was flying an F-16 that had no armament, and that he knowingly took that plane up into the air with the clear possibility of not coming back if that is what it took to complete the mission?
Comment by askeptic (b8ab92) — 3/7/2013 @ 3:51 pm
J-Linz… useful idiots joined at the arthritic hip.
Comment by Colonel Haiku (ab2570) — 3/7/2013 @ 4:03 pm
With Sammy, the filibuster could have had a shot at a full 24 hours.
Comment by Elephant Stone (852a18) — 3/7/2013 @ 2:39 pm
He would probably need a catheter and a leg bag, or a urinal and somebody willing to hold up a coat for a little privacy.
Just think, a jar of urine via performance art in the senate. I bet that would make the NY museum of art.
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 3/7/2013 @ 4:05 pm
Sammy can explain to you why the museum of modern art regulations would prohibit such an exhibit.
Comment by JD (b63a52) — 3/7/2013 @ 4:10 pm
just one more old fart
just yesterday’s maverick
mcCain sickens me
Comment by Colonel Haiku (ab2570) — 3/7/2013 @ 4:18 pm
RIP Alvin Lee
Comment by Colonel Haiku (ab2570) — 3/7/2013 @ 4:22 pm
goin’ home… to see his baby…
Comment by Colonel Haiku (ab2570) — 3/7/2013 @ 4:23 pm
the colonel’s on it
Icy lost teh concession
harbinger of death
Comment by Colonel Haiku (ab2570) — 3/7/2013 @ 4:24 pm
i’d love to change world
but i don’t know what to do
leave it up to you
Comment by Colonel Haiku (ab2570) — 3/7/2013 @ 4:26 pm
Rand Paul gave McCain and Graham the benefit of the doubt, blaming their backstabbing on their hawkishness, but I am not inclined to be as kind. They had not realized that the dinner with Obama was over and they still felt a need to toss his salad? (In the prison slang sense of the term which is NSFW should you look it up.)
Comment by nk the not as nice as Rand Paul (53646e) — 3/7/2013 @ 4:41 pm
It bears repeating…these two RINO’s have been in the Senate too long. Time for new blood.
Comment by Den Schultze (4fc67b) — 3/7/2013 @ 4:41 pm
time for the young bucks
no time for the old schmenges
they’ve retired in place
Comment by Colonel Haiku (ab2570) — 3/7/2013 @ 4:45 pm
Hurry up and f it up are traitors to conservatives.
I expect the two of them along with fatso to be shilling for the democrats next election cycle.
Comment by mg (31009b) — 3/7/2013 @ 4:48 pm
Sammy,
Are you also aware that the reason Rand Paul filibustered the Brennan nomination is because the Obama Administration refused to rule out drone strikes on Americans on U.S. soil except in undefined “extraordinary circumstances.” In part, the filibuster was designed to make the Obama Administration define the limits of extraordinary circumstances.
Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/7/2013 @ 5:54 pm
Sammy,
You’re a weird person.
Comment by Elephant Stone (a089b7) — 3/7/2013 @ 6:45 pm
It’s sad, but I am finally coming to the conclusion that a McCain victory in 2008 would have meant disaster. Not only would we have just about the same policies as with Obama, but we’d have the Republicans blamed for them.
Only the Supreme Court choices would have been different — and it is hard to see how they would have been worse — but on individual rights and state power, they’d be pretty much the same.
Comment by Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 3/7/2013 @ 6:55 pm
McCain is not even minimally commander-in-chief material
Comment by happyfeet (4bf7c2) — 3/7/2013 @ 7:07 pm
Comment by Colonel Haiku (ab2570) — 3/7/2013 @ 4:26 pm
Tax the rich, feed the poor
Till there are, no rich no more
“we just want to spread the wealth around a little”
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 3/7/2013 @ 7:09 pm
Kevin M,
I wonder how many liberals voted for Obama because they thought he would reverse Bush’s military policies, and who feel about Obama the way you feel about McCain.
Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/7/2013 @ 7:27 pm
These two may note represent ALL that is wrong with the eGOP but they don’t fail for lack of effort.
These two are pathetic…
Comment by WarEagle82 (2b7355) — 3/7/2013 @ 7:36 pm
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 3/7/2013 @ 7:09 pm
Tax the rich, feed the poor
Till there are, no rich no more
“we just want to spread the wealth around a little”
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That song was really a critique of lefty clichés and leftwing politics, MD.
“Everywhere there’s freaks and Hares [Hare Krishnas]
Dykes and fairies
Tell me where there’s sanity”
Comment by Colonel Haiku (ab2570) — 3/7/2013 @ 7:43 pm
Yes indeed, Colonel. They knew long ago where the end point of the liberal state was, give everyone’s money away until there isn’t anymore to give. They had Obama pegged while he was still in Indonesia or somewhere.
I guess the dykes and fairies part is not very polite, though being long-haired hippie types they probably were not as criticized for it.
Of course, 1970 or so was then, this is now. I guess some people like to use the word queer.
I don’t know, and I’m not even a singer in a rock and roll band.
Was there a line in “Hey, Big Brother” about drones?
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 3/7/2013 @ 8:03 pm
It’s late and I’m going to bed. G’night john boy, and all the rest of ya’s.
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 3/7/2013 @ 8:05 pm
Goodnight, MD.
Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/7/2013 @ 8:08 pm
Was there a line in “Hey, Big Brother” about drones?
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 3/7/2013 @ 8:03 pm
LOL… I saw Rare Earth open for Sly & the Family Stone at L.A.’s Fabulous Forum in the Summer of ’71. Sly was an hour late, but Rare Earth was… awesome!
Comment by Colonel Haiku (ab2570) — 3/7/2013 @ 8:18 pm
Driving my ’64 GTO and got a flat tire at 1AM on the Garden Grove Freeway on the way home from that show… wife called me Rain Man when I reminded her of that a few months ago…
Comment by Colonel Haiku (ab2570) — 3/7/2013 @ 8:21 pm
McCain is a corrupt (Keating Five), intemperate, bloviating fool who has managed to build a public career on the back of a single act of youthful incompetence–getting shot down over Vietnam.
Comment by Kevin Stafford (1d1b9e) — 3/7/2013 @ 9:23 pm
Shorter McCain:
“Get off our lawn“
Comment by Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 3/7/2013 @ 9:42 pm
Kevin Stafford, cool your jets.
John McCain may piss me off on a lot of political issues, but he is still an American hero and his service in uniform should never be marginalized the way you seek to do.
If you want to criticize his decisions as a Senator, go ahead, but leave his Vietnam service out of the equation.
He’s actually quite a tough dude, and spent five and a half brutal years in a hellhole, which has resulted in his inability to lift his arms above his head.
For you to make cracks about McCain getting shot down over Vietnam is a really low class thing to do.
Also, the Keating Five thing was probably just McCain naively trusting Keating, rather than any deliberate malfeasance on McCain’s end.
Let’s not act like he left a woman to drown in Chappaquiddick, huh ?
Comment by Elephant Stone (816b12) — 3/7/2013 @ 9:43 pm
I wonder how many liberals voted for Obama because they thought he would reverse Bush’s military policies, and who feel about Obama the way you feel about McCain.
None in my experience. They seem to be very able to say that Obama is still holding up two fingers when he’s only holding up one.
But I guess that they might see it as now having two war parties, just like a McCain presidency would have left us with two big-government parties.
Comment by Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 3/7/2013 @ 9:45 pm
Kevin Stafford for your honesty and candor I salute you that’s some straight talk what you expressed mister
Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 3/7/2013 @ 9:47 pm
Keating went to jail, If I recall, Corzine ‘is free as a bird yet guilty as sin’ in part because one of his patrons is Charles ‘Chucky’ Shumer,
Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 3/7/2013 @ 9:47 pm
Mr. Stone you are scraping the bottom of the hero barrel. Buy some marvel comics and recalibrate.
Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 3/7/2013 @ 9:48 pm
Dear JD,
But that was the perfect blog post title. Perfect in its economy. Perfect in its clarity.
I had just read stories at another site about McCain and Graham and I was thoroughly dismayed. Then I opened P.P. Those five words made my day. Thank you.
But I don’t agree with your assessment of the helpfulness of McCain and Graham’s comments. What could be more helpful – especially at a time when the GOP seems to have lost its way – than comments that so plainly illustrate the contrast in thinking between the new bucks and the old bulls. Moreover, is there any remaining confusion in your mind about why the GOP has had trouble winning elections?
Thanks again,
ThOR
Comment by ThOR (0d3941) — 3/7/2013 @ 9:51 pm
Thanks. I thought it might be a touch direct.
The helpful was reference to his words in his tirade.
Comment by JD (b63a52) — 3/7/2013 @ 9:54 pm
happy,
Would it surprise you that I agree with you on this thread?
Comment by Ag80 (b2c81f) — 3/7/2013 @ 9:55 pm
McCain has always been a prat, as has his lapdog Grahamnesty. Yeah he was tough in ‘Nam but he has been a eff-up his whole life. The only reason he won re-election was that he had around $19M left from his disastrous presidential campaign with which to bamboozle the dozy AZ electorate. Flake sucketh much also. I live I AZ and love it but it makes me sad sometimes.
Comment by Gazzer (febf97) — 3/7/2013 @ 11:29 pm
I wonder how many liberals voted for Obama because they thought he would reverse Bush’s military policies, and who feel about Obama the way you feel about McCain.
Maybe because the controversy of drones and Obama will regrettably come and go (as has happened with Benghazi), I can only turn to the bigger picture of the difference between left and right. My sense is that far more folks of liberal persuasion show a greater knack for rationalizing and excusing away the errors and dishonesty of politicians (and policies) of the left than the way that conservatives react. However, I do admit to seeing that type of behavior from a variety of people through the years, including rightists, but it seems far more pernicious among liberals/Democrats.
I noticed that phenomenon yesterday in a neighbor of mine, a retired engineer who nonetheless is of the left. IOW, he ain’t a creative, head-in-the-clouds, artsy-fartsy type of person. In a discussion we had about various politicians and controversies, he expressed such contradictory and even irrational views, that I couldn’t help but shake my head. I’m not kidding when I say that he — someone who should have known better — reminded me of an adult who still believes in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, OJ’s innocence, and still doesn’t know how to tie his shoelaces, drive a car, ride a bike, and cut a check. In a way, people like him are both scary and appalling.
Such behavior is a major reason why I believe that very liberal or socialistic societies, full of voters and politicians of the left, often easily end up so corrupt, in various shapes and forms. The cynics and hucksters out there (particularly if they too are of the left) do sense this same thing, which is why they can so easily exploit the left. Or, in turn, be strangely — perhaps happily — exploited themselves.
Comment by Mark (3fdd05) — 3/7/2013 @ 11:55 pm
74. Col. Alvin Lee can play. Ten Years After put on great shows.
Comment by mg (31009b) — 3/8/2013 @ 2:53 am
Mclame and gramnesty international should be put in a hole with bitch madow.
Comment by mg (31009b) — 3/8/2013 @ 2:55 am
104… Indeed, mg…
Comment by Colonel Haiku (144f55) — 3/8/2013 @ 5:07 am
I remember getting attacked by the “we need an electable moderate” crowd on this very blog in times past. McCain proved himself completely unelectable and then promptly went back to sabotaging conservatives.
Jeb/Christie 2016. All the complaining here now is blowing smoke. Come 3 years from now, Patterico will be back in full “support your local RINO” mode.
Comment by cm (eb404f) — 3/8/2013 @ 5:39 am
it seems pretty close to a consensus Mr. 80
Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 3/8/2013 @ 6:20 am
Blast from the not-so-distant past:
HotAir – Bad news: McCain “hurt” that the media doesn’t love him as much anymore
“Maverick” and Lindsey “Party of One” Grahamnesty are acting totally in character right now.
Expect them to eagerly accept the reward they so desperately seek; media attention. They’ll be on the Sunday shows, other shows, to run down Rand Paul. And help Obama.
Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 3/8/2013 @ 6:21 am
Rosebud McLame has just swung for the fences on strike 13:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/angry-mccain-ups-ante-calls-paul-cruz-wacko-birds/article/2523661
GTFO and get a reality TV show.
Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 3/8/2013 @ 7:08 am
McCain is going full Specter.
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 3/8/2013 @ 7:16 am
Hilary/Mclame 2016
Comment by mg (31009b) — 3/8/2013 @ 7:36 am
I’d pretend to revere meghan’s coward daddy’s lackluster service record if he’d just go the eff away
I’m big like that
Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 3/8/2013 @ 8:37 am
From BuzzFeed:
The most committed far-left liberals couldn’t have said it better.
Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/8/2013 @ 9:02 am
Well said, DRJ
Comment by JD (b63a52) — 3/8/2013 @ 9:07 am
These two liars need to be retired to the domino game room.
Comment by mg (31009b) — 3/8/2013 @ 9:09 am
Namecalling is much more effective than substance. The old guys know this, that’s why they are there.
Comment by Amphipolis (d3e04f) — 3/8/2013 @ 9:15 am
even wapo propaganda slut Jen Rudin thinks Meghan’s coward daddy is behaving like a senile coot
that’s really saying something
Comment by happyfeet (4bf7c2) — 3/8/2013 @ 10:57 am
I don’t know a lot about Jen Rubin, but I’ve heard her say lots of sane things and the L blasts her at her column at WaPo.
But one needs to be careful who is telling truth and who is disinformation. I don’t know.
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 3/8/2013 @ 11:20 am
On balance, she got it right;
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/03/08/conservative-turning-point/
Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 3/8/2013 @ 11:24 am
Was there a line in “Hey, Big Brother” about drones?
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 3/7/2013 @ 8:03 pm
In “1984″, that pretty much described all of Winston Smith’s contemporaries.
Comment by askeptic (b8ab92) — 3/8/2013 @ 11:53 am
Specially Syme who was a little too good at his job, and was vaporized because of it,
Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 3/8/2013 @ 11:55 am
120. She was making some sense until it came time to choose sides.
Must be that switch on her left elbow.
Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 3/8/2013 @ 12:00 pm
Lest we forget:
John McCain Pays Homage To Ted Kennedy In Immigration Reform Push
Oh, I loved the old fart when he was calling me a racist for opposing his idiot bill.
If he’s calling Rand a “wacko bird” then I stand with Rand.
Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 3/8/2013 @ 12:07 pm
As long as we were on a tear about how McCain and Graham are Repulsive, I thought I’d remind everyone McCain sees it as his mission to finish Ted Kennedy’s life work.
So we can expect McCain to call Carrie Fisher and ask her at least a couple more times to have sex with Chris Dodd.
Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 3/8/2013 @ 12:12 pm
According to the source, the show’s resident conservative voice is being ousted after market research revealed that she isn’t popular with TV audiences.
The people have spoken. Elisabeth Hasselbeck, one of the five cohorts of ABC’s daytime talk show The View, will not be returning to the couch
Comment by happyfeet (4bf7c2) — 3/8/2013 @ 12:12 pm
that conclave of wit and urbanity, say it isn’t so,
also Behar is leaving the View, in order to be intentionally funny.
Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 3/8/2013 @ 12:20 pm
Just the casting couch, Mr. Feets. I never watched the show but I always wondered who she was and figured there was only one way she could have got that job.
Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 3/8/2013 @ 12:26 pm
Lindsey Graham on Koran-burning: “Free speech is a great idea, but we’re in a war”
I don’t want to keep picking on McCain without directing a little fire in the direction of Grahamnesty.
No wonder Rand Paul ticked him off what with that sick Constitution fetish of his.
Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 3/8/2013 @ 12:30 pm
Mr. 57 I was reading her wiki … apparently her father in law has some juice and helped her get the tv gigs
if i read it right
i was kinda skimming
Comment by happyfeet (4bf7c2) — 3/8/2013 @ 12:55 pm
Comment by happyfeet (4bf7c2) — 3/8/2013 @ 12:12 pm
I’ve got a spot saved for her on my couch.
Comment by askeptic (2bb434) — 3/8/2013 @ 1:16 pm
Her father in law?
So if you look at it from a certain perspective she did kinda sorta sleep her way onto the set.
Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 3/8/2013 @ 1:17 pm
Stretching, you’re really stretching with that one Steve.
Comment by askeptic (2bb434) — 3/8/2013 @ 1:20 pm
Getting back to the repulsive McCain and Grahamnesty, I thought I’d reflect on something McCain said during his anti-Rand rant on Thursday.
McCain continued — but “to somehow allege or infer that the president of the United States is going to kill somebody like Jane Fonda, or somebody who disagrees with the policies, is a stretch of imagination which is, frankly, ridiculous.”He went on to contend that we are in danger, but that danger is from the enemy “hellbent on our destruction.”
I’d say if we live in a country where the FBI director has to say out of genuine confusion during Congressional testimony, as Mueller did last March, that he doesn’t know whether or not he can order the assassination of US citizens inside the US when delegated Obama’s new lethal powers contained in the 2012 NDAA, that the man who was most likely to be McCain’s attorney general had he won thinks the 1st Amendment guarantee of freedom of speech is a “nice idea” that we can no longer afford, and McCain himself is cool with domestic drone strikes because a man like Awlaki “should not have been protected anywhere in the world,” then that enemy hellbent on our destruction is in the Senate. With at least two of their number representing South Carolina and Arizona.
We don’t need a foreign enemy to help us destroy ourselves as long as we’ve got RINOs like McCain and Graham ready, willing and able to hand over absolute power to the executive and shred the Constitution in the process.
Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 3/8/2013 @ 1:39 pm
she’s not super bright or anything
but you can’t be on the view if you’re smart cause it would throw the whole dynamic off
Comment by happyfeet (4bf7c2) — 3/8/2013 @ 1:45 pm
mccain has never been hesitant to compromise the liberties of his fellow americans
I think those people did something to his brain
Comment by happyfeet (4bf7c2) — 3/8/2013 @ 1:52 pm
boy ain’t right
Comment by happyfeet (4bf7c2) — 3/8/2013 @ 1:52 pm
I plan to make a significant financial donation to defeat Lindsay Graham in his 2014 Republican primary, and I urge all non-RINOs to consider doing the same. Graham has $4.4 million cash on hand, according to the latest federal campaign reports, and that is an amount easily trumped by all of us who see the party’s future as revolving around people like Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Pat Toomey, Mike Lee….and not closeted leftists like Lindsay Graham, Chris Christie, and the odious McCain. Graham is beatable in ’14; we must not squander the opportunity. Let’s retire this sad little man with his life full of secrets and his contempt for conservative principles.
Comment by Kevin Stafford (1d1b9e) — 3/8/2013 @ 1:59 pm
She may not be super bright but she’s off the view so she must have thrown the dynamic off.
Apparently if you finish to close to the top on Survivor you disqualify yourself because you won’t be able to make Whoopi Goldberg look good in comparison.
So they’re looking for another reality competition where if you finish near the top you can make Whoopi Goldberg look good in comparison.
So he producers of The View are examining the winners and runners up in the Darwin Awards for the past 10 years to find a “conservative” who’s a “fit.”
I recommend the woman who tried to remove a bunion with a .410 shotgun after downing a quart of vodka.
Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 3/8/2013 @ 2:05 pm
126. The people have spoken. Elisabeth Hasselbeck, one of the five cohorts of ABC’s daytime talk show The View, will not be returning to the couch
Comment by happyfeet (4bf7c2) — 3/8/2013 @ 12:12 pm
If that were the criteria, Joy Behar would have been tossed years ago, feets.
Comment by Colonel Haiku (934839) — 3/8/2013 @ 4:54 pm
oh that was just pasted in from messenger I was too lazy to track down where it came from
Comment by happyfeet (4bf7c2) — 3/8/2013 @ 4:57 pm
I think the real reason Mrs. H. isn’t returning is she doesn’t look or act kicked in the melon by a horse.
The she-hags have spoken.
Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 3/8/2013 @ 5:03 pm
141. You’re ‘scused, I can’t even paste worth a damn.
Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 3/8/2013 @ 5:06 pm
i just found out we have to spring forward this weekend
that’s exciting I thought this was just a regular old weekend
Comment by happyfeet (4bf7c2) — 3/8/2013 @ 5:10 pm
i can’t wait to get home and watch my phone to see when the time changes
Comment by happyfeet (4bf7c2) — 3/8/2013 @ 5:56 pm
Are you going pop some popcorn for the occasion, Mr. Feets?
Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 3/8/2013 @ 5:58 pm
I’m ordering pizza!
Comment by happyfeet (4bf7c2) — 3/8/2013 @ 6:02 pm
Category error defined;
http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2013/03/08/rand-pauls-filibuster-was-terrific-but-his-ideas-are-still-dangerous/comment-page-2/#comments
Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 3/8/2013 @ 6:56 pm
144.i just found out we have to spring forward this weekend
that’s exciting I thought this was just a regular old weekend
Comment by happyfeet (4bf7c2) — 3/8/2013 @ 5:10 pm
One year I stayed up all night to see if the sun would really rise an hour earlier then it dawned on me.
Comment by nk (53646e) — 3/8/2013 @ 7:03 pm
I better order two pizzas if I’m a try that Mr. nk
Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 3/8/2013 @ 7:10 pm
I’ll stick with the popcorn this year but depending on how badly the GOP caves on all sorts of issues I’ll just skip over the pizza and celebrate the start of daylight savings time in 2014 by turning to heavy drug use.
Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 3/8/2013 @ 7:22 pm
Why did we adopt day light savings time, from the folks we defeated?
Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 3/8/2013 @ 7:27 pm
I was taught that it was Benjamin Franklin.
Comment by nk (53646e) — 3/8/2013 @ 7:33 pm
Re Hasselback,
“The viewers they polled all said she was too extreme and right wing,” the insider tells Us. “People did not watch the show because of Elisabeth. So they told her yesterday her contract would not be renewed.”
Comment by Dana (292dcf) — 3/8/2013 @ 9:31 pm
Nk @ 144,
Heh.
Comment by Dana (292dcf) — 3/8/2013 @ 9:32 pm
Will we ever know if mclame was a rat in nam? Because he sure is as a republican.
Comment by mg (31009b) — 3/9/2013 @ 2:49 am
mg
when did you serve?
Comment by EPWJ (1cedce) — 3/9/2013 @ 3:50 am
157-EPWJ, Federal Time. Obstructing justice.
Comment by mg (31009b) — 3/9/2013 @ 6:11 am
Sorry EPWJ- !977-!980.
Comment by mg (31009b) — 3/9/2013 @ 6:12 am
158.157-EPWJ, Federal Time. Obstructing justice.
Comment by mg (31009b) — 3/9/2013 @ 6:11 am
McCain was not much shucks as a pilot (got shot down) but he deported himself well as a POW. Got the Navy’s version of the DSC for it. The VietMinh offered to let him go early, him being an admiral’s son, and he refused unless the other POWs were also released early, and he had two broken legs and two broken arms at the time.
Comment by nk (53646e) — 3/9/2013 @ 6:17 am
nk
when we had women jumping from the towers with their clothes on fire to their certain death – I have to ask myself, do I want Rand at the podium or McCain
Thats all anyone really needs to know
Comment by EPWJ (1cedce) — 3/9/2013 @ 6:22 am
We know you told fibs again yesterday too. Sen Paul did not turn down invite to dinner. And Ace did not call him a weasel. So, there is that.
Comment by JD (31065f) — 3/9/2013 @ 6:29 am
Comment by EPWJ (1cedce) — 3/9/2013 @ 6:22 am
From what Rand Paul himself said, you’d want McCain. But if you’re having a quiet coffee and cigarette while Obama is playing with his X-Box, you’d want Rand Paul.
Comment by nk (53646e) — 3/9/2013 @ 6:31 am
JD
My information was that he was invited, he was one of the first to be invited, if to me from that is wrong then it came directly Rands camp, you need to call the senators office and get the scoop.
I know you didnt know that when you made the post, at anytime he was welcome at the dinner
Rand is a coward, a spoiled prickly little baby of a man if we are using a measuring stick against McCain, Rand sat out doing his duty to his country, didnt serve, played in country clubs, just what we needed in congress in times of war.
He wont get anything done for his causes, his constituents, or his country, he just wants to bask in his glow of self importance.
McCain has proven himself to do the right thing.
Comment by EPWJ (1cedce) — 3/9/2013 @ 6:38 am
nk
yesterday a crazy country just said they want to launch nukes at us.
Rand grabbed a podium and did national security a great disservice.
If Rand really and truely cared he would have gone to the president and said lets talk lets negotiate like grownups. He had two years to do that. Did he do it?
Comment by EPWJ (1cedce) — 3/9/2013 @ 6:42 am
Ace called him a weasel in so many words I think he did it again in another column
Comment by EPWJ (1cedce) — 3/9/2013 @ 6:43 am
JD
I’m not arguing with the premise of your post, it was good, but like I said there are many things wrong with many people in the senate and they are always going to dissapoint us on many levels and we rarely if ever mention it when they do something right.
Comment by EPWJ (1cedce) — 3/9/2013 @ 6:46 am
-Ace
In other words Pauls a chikensh$t weasel like his pappy
Comment by EPWJ (1cedce) — 3/9/2013 @ 6:51 am
-Ace before he got further information
the earlier qoute is actually from his later column
Comment by EPWJ (1cedce) — 3/9/2013 @ 6:56 am
It was a very simple, straightforward question to Holder, Eric. Holder could have said “Why not, and who’s to stop us” you know, if you want to talk about weasels.
Comment by nk (53646e) — 3/9/2013 @ 7:11 am
BTW, the right answer was, “No, we would not order a drone strike. We would have the CIA have the Mossad have the Bulgarians have a Turk disguised as a waiter put Polonium in his coffee and we would blame the Russians”.
Comment by nk (53646e) — 3/9/2013 @ 7:19 am
My information was that he was invited, he was one of the first to be invited, if to me from that is wrong
The only place this is mentioned anywhere is your fevered rantings. Therefore, untrue. Since you have claimed this to be true, you should be able to show that he was invited, who did so, and his refusal. Go.
Disagreeing with a position that he fears Paul might hold is not the same as calling it a weasel stunt, like you claimed. Ace was supportive.
It surprises me, not one little bit, that you support McCain.
Comment by JD (b63a52) — 3/9/2013 @ 7:22 am
LOL.
You get an A+.
Comment by Dustin (73fead) — 3/9/2013 @ 8:09 am
You see why it’s like talking with Vizzini;
http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2013/03/09/senior-official-pauls-filibuster-wont-have-any-effect-on-drone-policy/
Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 3/9/2013 @ 8:25 am
It was a very simple, straightforward question to Holder, Eric. Holder could have said “Why not, and who’s to stop us” you know, if you want to talk about weasels.
Comment by nk (53646e) — 3/9/2013 @ 7:11 am
Teh Man From…
W… Why ask? you won’t get the truth
E… Excuses, excuses, excuses…
A… All lies, all the time
S… Ssssssssssssss…
E… Execrable
L… Llllllllllllefty!
Comment by Colonel Haiku (628ee8) — 3/9/2013 @ 9:37 am
How was the pizza happyfeet (and, just curious, were you able to reset the oven clock)?
Comment by nk (53646e) — 3/10/2013 @ 7:42 am
Count me as one of the concerned citizens focused upon the issue of the podium being well manned.
In times of international crisis my second question, after “where are the carriers,” is “who’s at the podium?”
The podium being a major component in our arsenal of deterrence and all.
But John McCain?
I like John McCain. I respect John McCain. I’ve heard various criticisms of his conduct as a POW and I’ve dismissed them. It’s easy to criticize; had I been in his shoes would I have done better?
But the debt of gratitude this country owes John McCain does not extend to the presidency.
The guy’s built a political career on not getting the point. I’ll spare you the entire litany. But let’s talk amnesty. Once again John McCain is all hot for amnesty. He actually announced, and I’ve linked to it, that it’s a testament to Ted Kennedy’s legacy.
How the hell this guy can get elected to a statewide office in Arizona by calling his constituents racist (as he did the last time he tried to impose amnesty) while singing the praises of Ted Kennedy I don’t know.
I’m not voting for him. I respect him. A younger version of him in flight training at Corpus Christi I would have partied with. I’m not voting for a lot of guys I partied with.
He was on Niel Cavuto the other day discussing the brouhaha between him and Paul and actually described himself as part of the “winning wing” of the GOP that believes in peace through strength.
Excuse me. I can think of lots of words to describe his 2008 presidential campaign. But “winning wing” aren’t two of them.
He’s the Charlie Sheen of retail politics. Winning! Winning!
Rand Paul is a lot smarter.
Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 3/10/2013 @ 8:30 am
Yes, I’m not feeling it,
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1788914/posts?page=1
Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 3/10/2013 @ 8:34 am
John McCain Pays Homage To Ted Kennedy In Immigration Reform Push
This is the guy telling me I can’t believe a word Rand Paul is saying.
Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 3/10/2013 @ 8:35 am
And yet, it’s never enough;
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18567_162-4181781.html
Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 3/10/2013 @ 8:38 am
the daylight fairy musta came while i was sleeping Mr. nk but there’s not a damn thing under my pillow I looked on the floor too – plus she just changed my phone not the microwave
maybe next year but I was so good this year
what’s a lil pikachu gotta do I ask you
no fairs
Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 3/10/2013 @ 9:17 am
I got free dark circles.
Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 3/10/2013 @ 9:22 am
she’s playing favorites
Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 3/10/2013 @ 9:27 am