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David Frum Dances on Breitbart’s Grave

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 1:06 pm

David Frum is so gosh-darned proud of his broadside last year about Andrew Breitbart, published the day of Andrew’s death, that he reprints the whole thing in full today. Those who have ever read Frum will be less than shocked to learn that Frum’s reprint is prefaced by a self-aggrandizing paean to his own amazing courage in being willing to parrot clueless left-wing criticisms of a deceased family man. Here is a passage from last year’s bid for an invitation to all the right cocktail parties:

This indifference to detail suffused all of Breitbart’s work, and may indeed be his most important and lasting legacy. Breitbart sometimes got stories right (Anthony Weiner). More often he got them wrong (Sherrod). He did not much care either way. Just as all is fair in a shooting war, so manipulation and deception are legitimate tools in a culture war. Breitbart used those tools without qualm or regret, and he inspired a cohort of young conservative journalists to do likewise.

For the record: as many who actually knew Andrew Breitbart have written, and I will second, this is utter bilge. Andrew didn’t always get every story right — who does, David Frum? — but he was honest about it when he didn’t. He was honest about everything. Honesty came naturally to him, to the point where he would tell stories on himself that would leave you shaking your head at his forthrightness.

Frum beats his chest about how important it is to tell the “truth” about people, including on the day of their death or on the anniversary of their death. But Frum didn’t know Breitbart and it is the height of arrogance for him to claim that he had some special insight into whether Breitbart cared about getting the story right.

It’s not so much the timing of Frum’s piece that is offensive, although it is. It’s that Frum, quite simply, doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

I suppose Frum would defend himself by saying we must generally make judgments about people without meeting them. I suppose that’s true. So let’s apply that principle.

I haven’t met Frum, but based on what I have read of his writing, I don’t believe he cares about truth or policy anywhere near as much as he cares about promoting his self-image as a “reasonable conservative.” See if you can find any piece of any length where Frum criticizes conservatives, but fails to congratulate himself profusely for doing so. Today’s piece is, of course, no exception:

What America needs now, and what the Republican party most especially needs, are moderate-minded people who are also tough-minded – who won’t be shrieked down and who won’t be intimidated. “Civility” cannot mean: you yell, I yield. Conservatives deplore those old-line 1960s liberals who shriveled up when challenged by student radicals and Black Power militants. Well, now it’s happening in our house, and it is we who are being tested: Do we dare confront our own radicals? It’s not enough to have greater wisdom, greater tolerance, and greater patriotism if you don’t also muster courage, endurance, and will to win. Otherwise, you’re playing by Weimar rules.

Oh, my. Not only is Frum wiser, more tolerant, and more patriotic than you (and Andrew Breitbart) . . . he also has the courage to tell you so!!!

And thank God he does. Because otherwise the Nazis win.

Frum pats himself on the back so often that his own palm print is permanently embedded between his shoulder blades. I can’t think of a single national figure who is more self-absorbed, other than — perhaps — Meghan McCain, or Barack Obama. His goal could not be more clear: to suck up to the leftists in power in Big Media, and to gain accolades from those who cluck their tongues at the likes of Andrew Breitbart.

This might seem like a good idea, I guess. It will probably get you invited to the desirable soirees. But I believe people can inherently recognize phonies. And David Frum is a phony.

David Frum, I suspect that when you die, people won’t much care. Do you think people will put David Frum avatars on their Twitter accounts? That they’ll talk about how the spirit of David Frum lives on in all of us? Try voicing that possibility out loud without laughing. You can’t do it.

When David Frum dies, people will kind of shrug their shoulders, and say something like: oh, yeah. That guy. Whatever. Hey, what’s for dinner?

Andrew inspired passion. David Frum, not so much.

So let Frum dance on Andrew’s grave to get some more attaboys from people who secretly hold him in contempt. It may seem tasteless of him — and it is — but in the end, Frum is lashing out because he knows he is comparatively insignificant. Andrew has a legacy that he leaves behind. Frum will not.

121 Responses to “David Frum Dances on Breitbart’s Grave”

  1. Andrew Breitbart inspired laughter, loyalty, and (from ugly people) hatred.

    David Frum inspires suppressed yawns.

    Patterico (9c670f)

  2. Breitbart was a phenomenon. Frum is a barnacle.

    Kaisersoze (a1dc8b)

    oops-david frum has fish-lips

    pdbuttons (034e55)

  4. Wasn’t Frum asked to leave (ie fired) from the Bush White House? You have to have been a complete idiot to get fired from there.

    mt noise (5977da)

  5. No one needed to read Frum’s opinion on Andrew a year ago and certainly no one needed him to “observe” the anniversary of Andrew’s too-soon death with a second blind side hit. The lack of class is mindboggling. And it makes one wonder if David has ever lost someone to a shocking sudden death who was close to him. Obviously he’ll do anything to get linked and talked about these days.

    Icy, if you’re around when David Frum leaves this mortal coil don’t bother with a RIP blog entry about that. K?

    elissa (1d03e3)

  6. Patterico, you saw Mickey Kaus’ commentary about Frum, right? I posted a link on the other thread about AB.

    Simon Jester (607b9c)

  7. I did.

    Patterico (9c670f)

  8. Frum is the very definition of blathering insignificance. He is the kind of intellectual lightweight the left love to promote (ala Brooks) precisely because they are phoney “conservatives.”

    Let’s face it, the only time anyone ever pays any notice to Frum is when he’s being a scumbag. Expect more desperate temper tantrums in the future. As for me, I refuse to read the intellectually and morally bankrupt.

    Rich (3ef32b)

  9. The responses to the Frumious Bundersnatch, are even more distressing.

    narciso (3fec35)

  10. Frum left NRO after he got angry that he was not invited on the NRO cruise. I used to exchange e-mails with him. I’m afraid he has not aged well.

    Mike K (87eb3a)

  11. on his best day, Frum isn’t worth the contents of a zit on my 4th point of contact, and he suffers from delusions of adequacy.

    redc1c4 (403dff)

  12. Conservatives deplore those old-line 1960s liberals who shriveled up when challenged by student radicals and Black Power militants. Well, now it’s happening in our house

    Frum, you’re trapped in the past, when the middle portion of the ideological spectrum was shifted to the right. When, for example, the national debt was still in the billions (not trillions), when anti-lynching legislation in Congress was seen as controversial, when same-sex marriage not only wasn’t on the horizon but movies like “Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner” weren’t judged as quaint and irrelevant. When a sitting president and his image, and the environment he was closely associated with was far removed from something like this:, February 28, 2013:

    While most U.S. public schools start sex education in the fifth grade, sex education will be coming to Chicago kindergartners within two years as part of an overhaul of the Chicago public schools sexual health program.

    The new policy, which the Chicago Board of Education passed Wednesday, mandates that a set amount of time be spent on sex education in every grade, beginning in kindergarten. Chicago has the third-largest public school system in the country, with 431,000 students.

    Under the new policy, the youngest students – the kindergartners — will learn the basics about anatomy, reproduction, healthy relationships and personal safety. Through the third grade, the sex-ed lessons will focus on the family, feelings and appropriate and inappropriate touching. In the fourth grade, students will start learning about puberty, and HIV. Discussions will emphasize that the virus cannot be transmitted through everyday contact such as shaking hands or sharing food.

    For the first time in Chicago, sex-ed instruction will cover sexual orientation and gender identity. Students will be introduced to terms and definitions associated with sexual identity, including those related to heterosexual and LGBT populations, in an effort to bring awareness, promote tolerance and prevent bullying, said the school board.

    Frum, if you believe that a society infused with liberalism gone berserk therefore means that anything running somewhat counter to that is ultra-conservative, then you’re a fool. And it’s you — YOU — who’s tilted towards the extremists, not the scattered portions (the boogeyman!) of the Republican Party.

    Mark (93f57a)

  13. I suppose Frum would defend himself by saying we must generally make judgments about people without meeting them.

    Only if you’re a liberal. I just had this long discussion on sexism with a female chauvinist pig feminist who whined that I was “judgmental”.

    I started nailing her down on it, demanding
    a) she post more than an accusation
    b) after she replied to that, with slightly more detail, I pointed out it was
    i) still a mere accusation, she didn’t actually provide examples from my own comments
    ii) noted that, more than with many, I had justification for demanding she do that — on more than one occasion in the course of the discussion, she’d “quoted” back to me something I’d purportedly said but edited/warped/perverted through her own little special feminist lens.

    She stopped responding. Huh. Seems once you ask a liberal to actually DEFINE what they mean, in concrete terms, you end the discussion more often than not.

    No, this is not news to me… LOLZ.

    IGotBupkis, Legally Defined Cyberbully in All 57 States and some Canadian provinces (98ae1f)

  14. Who is this David Frum person? Is there some reason I should know of him?

    htom (412a17)

  15. Great post. I’d expect nothing less on this topic.

    Dustin (73fead)

  16. Thank you, Dustin.

    Patterico (9c670f)

  17. As long as the republicans are associated with the frumudgeons. Conservatives will pass.

    mg (31009b)

  18. I had a lengthy private email exchange with Frum some years ago. I think he is a good man and sincere, but he puts his trust in princes instead of the distributed intelligence of voters and markets, and he’s as guilty of hubris and credentialism as our POTUS. I suspect that he, David Brooks, and Kathleen Sullivan would be quite happy to be a permanent “respected loyal opposition” — if by “respected” one means “appreciated as a useful idiot by one’s opponents,” by “loyal” one means “still trading on a connection with the Reagan days even though he’s strayed far, far from Reagan,” and by “opponent” one means the kind of opposition presented by the luckless and mocked opponents of the Harlem Globetrotters when they do their exhibitions that approximate basketball in the same way that Democrats approximate democracy.

    Beldar (de838d)

  19. I knew Andrew well. Frum, I just had dinner with once, drinks a couple other times. Andrew was an honorable, intellectually curious, strategically brilliant, unfailingly kind and uniquely memorable guy with a conservative spine made of granite. Frum impressed me as a weasly, intellectually lazy, colossally self-satisfied RINO from Canada whose careerism seemed so manifestly more important to him than his supposed conservatism that it was difficult to keep my food down. Total putz.

    Kevin Stafford (1d1b9e)

  20. Breitbart fired cannonades against the ramparts.

    Frum is a stench of powder.

    One made impacts. The other makes you hold your nose.

    Pious Agnostic (20c167)

  21. Amen Pat.

    Craig Mc (2c3355)

  22. Let’s remember he was fired from the Bush WH because he had to let everyone know he thought of the phrase “axis of evil” and used his wife to spread the word.

    Enough said. Long live the spirit of Andrew!

    Bamconola (84927e)

  23. Beldar nails it with the analogy to the Kentucky Colonels.

    SPQR (768505)

  24. No,the fact that Frum doubled down on his odious
    jeremiad against Andrew, that several weeks later, he spent three pages, abetting the slanderous insinuations of ‘Julianne’s Bender’ puts him in a different category.

    narciso (3fec35)

  25. I don’t care what Frum thinks…but saying such things right after someone dies, and the repeating on the anniversary of his death?

    Cowardly and craven.

    There is an interesting article in the NYT today (I know, I know) about all the hatred and pettiness between RFK and LBJ. Well worth your time to read, when we reflect on how odious and distasteful politics has become.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  26. I love the “No one will care when you die” card. Always effective.

    BradnSA (f34a47)

  27. @SPQR. I think you mean the Washington Generals.

    BradnSA (f34a47)

  28. The Nadir of the Frum, was really seen after NewTown, so as odious as this is, it doesn’t plumb the depths.

    narciso (3fec35)

  29. Andrews fmily could hav been spared this back and forth nonsense every anniversy of his death. If he ws larger than life to those who have met him I can only imagine the loss in his family.

    Even more douchus is Frum doing this in light of his mother’s passing just days ago, really insensitive and totally unecessary.

    Okay, Andrew got under people’s skin, both conservatives and liberals, time to let it go, he’s gone, God bless him and his family and lets all move on.

    EPWJ (1ea63e)

  30. Frum has never impressed me, even as a speechwriter. He is a useful idiot in the thrall of the MSM, no insight, plenty of recriminations, tut-tut-tutting and unsolicited advice to conservatives… advice that is almost always less than thoughtful.

    Colonel Haiku (d3308c)

  31. Kennedy was all that and much, much more.

    Sh*theel Admiral Oldsmobile…

    Colonel Haiku (d3308c)

  32. The difference is that Andrew was telling the truth about Kennedy.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  33. David Frum doesn’t understand the value of having and being a friend. Apparently all he understands is the value of using people.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  34. Dear Ghost of Anthony Wiener Andy,

    You merely exposed another example of Andrew Breitbart telling the truth.
    Indeed, Ted Kennedy was a piece of crap.
    While Senator Rubio recently committed the venal sin of taking a swig from a bottle of water while giving a speech about the party of Lincoln, Senator Kennedy took a swig from a flask of whiskey before driving his Oldsmobile into a body of water where he left a woman to drown.
    Teddy was so passionate about his commitment to women’s health issues, that he neglected to report the wheareabouts of the submerged body of Mary Jo Kopechne to authorities until after he consulted his attorney ate lunch the next day.

    Teddy was also instrumental in throwing our South Vietnamese allies under the bus, after the Commies violated the Paris Peace Accords and invaded the South, slaughtering a few million people who were unarmed.
    Teddy didn’t want to help arm them so they could defend themselves—just another example of Teddy displaying his love for the underdog.

    And in a great display of reaching across the aisle to throw a few sucker punches Teddy was front and center in trashing Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas, during their Supreme Court nomination hearings before the US Senate Judiciary Committee.

    Andrew Breitbart was Matt Drudge’s longtime associate at DrudgeReport, and then Andrew created the Huffington Post for Arianna Huffington in a subversive quest to encourage lefty celebrities to actually put their own names behind their kooky left wing rants.
    Then he founded the Breitbart news aggregator, as well as the ensuing “Big” sites.
    That’s a pretty impressive resume, as Drudge, Huffington Post, and the Big sites are three of the biggest websites in politics.
    (…and Bill Ayers didn’t have a hand in ghostwriting any of them.)

    It says a lot about a person’s legacy, when we find out who their friends were. It also tells us a lot about them when we find out who their enemies were.

    The fact that Andrew Breitbart inspires so much hatred in you scumbag lefties, is not only a teachable moment, but it is a great comfort to all of us.

    Elephant Stone (b73aaf)

  35. Oh, I see that the post by a left wing troll by the name of “Ghost of Andy” was removed by one of the administrators.
    My comments in #34 were in response to that knucklehead troll, who was dancing on Breitbart’s grave, and who also made mention of Ted Kennedy.

    Just thought I’d clarify that little detail, lest my comments in #34 appear to be a total non-sequitir in the context of the rest of the above comments in this thread.

    Elephant Stone (b73aaf)

  36. I think this is the definitive getting of F.’s number. All in one place and rather lagom in the list of particulars.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  37. Icy, if you’re around when David Frum leaves this mortal coil don’t bother with a RIP blog entry about that. K?
    Comment by elissa (1d03e3) — 3/2/2013 @ 1:41 pm

    — 1) Frum is 5 years older than me, so I’d better be around when he leaves!
    2) When he kicks it i’ll give him a “Rest In Pieces” ala the Crypt Keeper.

    Icy (04273a)

  38. Breitbart’s ghost calls out from beyond the grave for a full and open investigation into the circumstances of his untimely death. Those who would honor his memory can not close their eyes and cover their ears if their hearts are troubled by suspicions of foul play.

    ropelight (cc7569)

  39. ropelight , he had at least one if not possibly 2 cardic incidents in the few months or years before he unfortunately passed including a hospital stay.

    EPWJ (1ea63e)

  40. cardiac

    EPWJ (1ea63e)

  41. I thought that Frum had reached his low point with his trashing Breitbartunmasked on his passing. then he went and danced on the graves of the dead children at Sandy Hook before their bodies were even room temperature. But, I think doubling down on prior asshattery on the anniversary of someone’s death was yet a new low point from this mendoucheous crapweasel.

    Frumps a shovel, and appears to be quite enthusiastic about digging to even lower depths.

    JD (b63a52)

  42. JD

    even more so knowing the family had just suffered another devastating tragedy, with the sudden death of his mother at the end of February, how much can a young family take?

    EPWJ (1ea63e)

  43. Frum has definitely touched the nerves of his minions on here, whose responses have generally been ad hominems and character assassinations.

    Here’s another view:

    “My wife married an almost inappropriately always-lighthearted guy fourteen years ago,” Breitbart wrote in “Righteous Indignation.” “Now she wakes up next to a firebrand who is one of the most polarizing figures in the country.”

    He was a polarizing figure:

    He became the slightly unlikely (as a hard-partying Hollywood media gadfly) self-appointed spokesman of the Tea Parties, defending the movement from all charges of racial resentment-based motivation, making always entertaining if frequently delirious and baffling television appearances, saying outrageous and often indefensibly inflammatory things for attention, and tweeting constantly. The shtick got old, and so many of his predictions of earth-shattering liberal conspiracy-exposing scoops fell flat. He ruined a number of people’s lives for no real reason, and he was generally a toxic influence on the national debate.

    It wasn’t actually about “politics” for Breitbart, really. He didn’t care what the top marginal tax rate was. He didn’t see any sort of contradiction in supporting gay rights and drug legalization while working for the election of Republicans. It was about fighting and bomb-throwing and arguing and winning a war against an enemy he built up in his Hollywood-inspired imagination to be massive and powerful. Because that enemy was in his imagination duplicitous and evil, he could justify all sorts of awful behavior on his own part.

    He was by all accounts a loving father and husband, and he leaves behind four children.

    Breitbart represented exactly what you folks on the far Right want: extremely polarized politics

    We do not work toward solutions with this kind of an attitude.

    Perry (329aa5)

  44. What liar are you quoting there, Perry? Yourself?

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  45. Perry is objectively a lying liar.

    JD (b63a52)

  46. The Zampolits at Salon, don’t understand this, or maybe they do, because they are the Journolists, after all,

    narciso (3fec35)

  47. Perry,

    Breitbart still gets under your skin because he gored your ox.
    Even from his grave, he is still tweeking you in the nose, and kicking you in the pants, the way he scolded Sid Blumenthal’s petulant adult son a couple years ago when the cameras were rolling. It was classic.

    Most of you lefties are no more than tantrum-throwing children. You want to be taken care of by adults, and when those adults say it is now time for you to pick up the toys (that they paid for), take your castor oil, and go to bed, you guys throw a tantrum, and cry for more ice cream.

    Seriously, bro, independence and self-reliance will liberate you. It will set you free.

    Elephant Stone (71e577)

  48. Perry, wow, really? Andrew wasn’t perfect? I had NO clue! And polarizing? Hmm, I seem to recall it being called “speaking truth to power” when the eeeeeeevil R’s were in charge.

    Amy Shulkusky (676892)

  49. Regarding this bit from the long block-quote in the comment by Perry (#43 — 3/3/2013 @ 9:21 am):

    He didn’t see any sort of contradiction in supporting gay rights and drug legalization while working for the election of Republicans.

    The necessary implied premise of this criticism by Lefties is: Any deviation from the Party Line makes one unworthy, regardless of the substance of the underlying issues.

    That’s what I meant in my earlier remark about how the Democratic Party practices democracy.

    Beldar (de838d)

  50. Perry,

    Um, quoting Alex Pareene?

    Alex Pareene?!

    Patterico (9c670f)

  51. Hahaha. Pareene says “he was generally a toxic influence on the national debate.” This is Alex Pareene, the adult in the room. Who jokes about Michelle Malkin and ping pong balls.

    Perry’s hero, ladies and gentlemen.

    Thank you for revealing your go-to source, Perry. It tells us a lot about you.

    Patterico (9c670f)

  52. well you know, as Mr. Alex Pareene once said, “Mama we’s outta honeynut cheerio’s now what in the dadblamed hell is i sposed to have for breckus?”

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  53. We do not work toward solutions with this kind of an attitude.

    Perry and his pal Alex Pareene are just trying to work towards solutions. But how can they do so with conservative pundits who are always doing that trick with the ping pong balls ahahahahahahaha!

    Perry, you are a fraud. You masquerade as someone seeking common ground and hating polarization. Quoting Alex Pareene.

    Patterico (9c670f)

  54. Perry? Pareene?


    Pious Agnostic (20c167)

  55. Perry,

    Your heroes reveal a lot about who you are.
    So, too, does your list of enemies.

    Your blog reads like the bedroom wall of a psychopathic stalker character in an epsisode of “Law & Order” where the kook has all sorts of photos of his targeted victim plastering the wall interspersed among his Marilyn Manson posters and “Girls Gone Wild” promos.
    Naturally, such a character would have empty pizza boxes and dirty socks littering the floor, as well as a neighbor who innoncently reports to the inquiring detectives that “Perry was an odd sort of boy who didn’t have many childhood playmates. And he was always screaming at his mother.”

    You obviously had a vendetta against Andrew Breitbart.
    Sadly, like most people in your universe, he probably didn’t even know you were alive.

    Elephant Stone (698d48)

  56. Frankly, I never heard of Alex Pareene, so I looked him up in Wiki:

    In their farewell post, the Gawker staff wrote of Pareene, “His writing is hysterical, his voice is unique, and his political mind is finely tuned into the idiocies and hypocrisies of our crumbling democracy.

    Sounds like Pareene is pretty much on target.

    Then I read this:

    At varying times Pareene has referred to Trump as a “fictional television clown tycoon,” “a living freak show” and “a weird attention-hungry idiot.”

    I think I like this guy Pareene.

    But seriously, we do not need polarizing figures like Breitbart, Trump, or Pareene. Instead of generating solutions to our problems, these people inhibit them.

    Perry (329aa5)

  57. trump is not fictional how do you explain how Mitt Romney kissed his fictional ass?

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  58. gotcha there huh

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  59. Perry,

    You’re right…someone who dances on the grave of a dead father of four young children is definitely not engaging in polarizing behavior !

    I’m sure that next week when you visit with your doctor regarding a refill of your psychotropic drugs, he’ll be a little alarmed that your blog has such a focus on the late Andrew Breitbart. He may figure it’s almost as if Breitbart personally did something to upset your apple cart.
    Then he’ll notice your tin-foil hat, and subsequently increase your dosage.

    Elephant Stone (698d48)

  60. I love how Perry quotes the guy, he acts like he doesn’t know who he is, then bemoans the lack of civility. Oh, an you are all racists. But be civil.

    JD (4f721c)

  61. Perry? Pareene?… Perineum?

    just sayin’…

    Colonel Haiku (754d5e)

  62. This is wonderful…

    Colonel Haiku (754d5e)

  63. Oh, come on, folks. “Perry” is just playing a game. Remember, he likes this guy Pareene. And remember what Pareene said about Michele Malkin. Therefore, “Perry” is a sexist and racist misogynist, completely disrespectful toward women.

    Hang that tag on him EACH time he posts.

    No matter what name he uses.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  64. people what pay taxes in little countries what give half a billion dollars to filthy egyptian pigs shouldn’t get to call other people misogynist really

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  65. Perry! say it taint so!

    Colonel Haiku (9fdfc6)

  66. We do not need polarizing figures like this guy Pareene. I think I like this guy Pareene.

    We do not need polarizing figures like this guy I think I like for this polarizing thing he said.

    Patterico (9c670f)

  67. Let’s stick to Perry’s Approved Standard of Civility and just say that Perry is “a living freak show” and “a weird attention-hungry idiot.”

    Patterico (9c670f)

  68. You folks amuse me, you really do.

    Nevertheless you demean yourselves with your language and behavior, including a prosecutor no less.

    But there is a very serious aspect to this polarization and dysfunction, which may well take us down many years before deficit spending does.

    Perry (329aa5)

  69. Nevertheless you demean yourselves with your language and behavior, including a prosecutor no less.

    But calling people racists based on nothing is all well and good. Lovingly quotin and praising someone that makes jokes about Asian women doing ping pong ball tricks is an unfortunate circumstance, and someone you would like.

    Yes, your nasty polarization and hatred will have consequences.

    JD (b63a52)

  70. JD, now you’re making stuff up. Is this all you’ve got? Show us a quote!

    Perry (329aa5)

  71. Do you read what you write here? Or post on your blog?

    JD (b63a52)

  72. Americans should note that racism continues to exist in our nation, and the GOP are at the forefront. Our racism over time should be obvious based on the historical record of the centuries long victims of this god-awful crime against humanity.

    If anyone should feel guilty, it is these class warfare champions, warfare against the middle and the poor, against those who are not Christians, against gays, against blacks, against hispanics, against Mormons, against Islamists, against women, against Hindus, and against voters who do not have photo IDs? If I thought a little longer, the list would get much longer.

    Basically these radicals are against anyone who does not share their distorted political and social beliefs. That’s who they are. Some precious few are at least willing to have a debate, sometimes, while the rest attack, attack, and attack some more.

    Bridging the gap has become extremely difficult when the other side is so set in their ideological and racist ways; nevertheless we must keep trying!

    JD (b63a52)

  73. Those are just some random quotes from someone who wants to bridge the gap, compromise, and work with the other side for common sense solutions.

    Your faux above the fray BS is abject BS, Perry. You are a H8r

    JD (b63a52)

  74. Nevertheless you demean yourselves with your language and behavior, including a prosecutor no less.

    Perry, I don’t mind what you think of other people, including those in this thread. However, I do mind if you’re naive enough to fancy yourself and those of your ilk as somehow just the opposite of what, in reality, you’re all about. I post the following in honor of you, as a tribute to your tolerance, generosity and respect for human diversity:, March 2012:
    Not exactly shocking news for those exposed to them for years, but the respected Pew Research Center has determined that political liberals are far less tolerant of opposing views than regular Americans.

    In a new study, the Pew Center for the Internet and American Life Project confirmed what most intelligent Americans had long sensed. That is, whenever they are challenged or confronted on the hollow falsity of their orthodoxy — such as, say, uniting diverse Americans — liberals tend to respond defensively with anger, even trying to shut off or silence critics.

    The new research found that instead of engaging in civil discourse or debate, fully 16% of liberals admitted to blocking, unfriending or overtly hiding someone on a social networking site because that person expressed views they disagreed with. That’s double the percentage of conservatives and more than twice the percentage of political moderates who behaved like that.

    The proportion jumps even higher when someone on a social site disagrees with a liberal’s post. Only 1% of moderates would block or shut out someone who dared to disagree with them, compared to 11% of liberals, whose rate was nearly three times that of conservatives., Nicholas Kristof, December 2008:
    This holiday season is a time to examine who’s been naughty and who’s been nice, but I’m unhappy with my findings. The problem is this: We liberals are personally stingy.

    Liberals show tremendous compassion in pushing for generous government spending to help the neediest people at home and abroad. Yet when it comes to individual contributions to charitable causes, liberals are cheapskates.

    Arthur Brooks, the author of a book on donors to charity, “Who Really Cares,” cites data that households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals. A study by Google found an even greater disproportion: average annual contributions reported by conservatives were almost double those of liberals.

    Other research has reached similar conclusions. The “generosity index” from the Catalogue for Philanthropy typically finds that red states are the most likely to give to nonprofits, while Northeastern states are least likely to do so.

    “When I started doing research on charity,” Mr. Brooks wrote, “I expected to find that political liberals — who, I believed, genuinely cared more about others than conservatives did — would turn out to be the most privately charitable people. So when my early findings led me to the opposite conclusion, I assumed I had made some sort of technical error. I re-ran analyses. I got new data. Nothing worked. In the end, I had no option but to change my views.”

    According to Google’s figures, if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do. But Mr. Brooks says that if measuring by the percentage of income given, conservatives are more generous than liberals even to secular causes.

    Conservatives also appear to be more generous than liberals in nonfinancial ways. People in red states are considerably more likely to volunteer for good causes, and conservatives give blood more often. If liberals and moderates gave blood as often as conservatives, Mr. Brooks said, the American blood supply would increase by 45 percent., March 2011:
    Social scientists usually measure traditional racism against African Americans by looking at the survey responses of white Americans only. Among whites in the latest General Social Survey (2008) [conducted by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago], only 4.5% of small-government advocates express the view that “most Blacks/African-Americans have less in-born ability to learn,” compared to 12.3% of those who favor bigger government or take a middle position expressing this racist view.

    [A]mong whites, Republican advocates of smaller government are even less racist (1.3% believing that blacks have less in-born ability) than the rest of the general public (11.3% expressing racist views). Thus, in 2008 Republicans who believe that the government in Washington does too much have 10 times higher odds of not expressing racist views on the in-born ability question than the rest of the population (79-to-1 odds v. 7.9-to-1 odds).

    In 2008, only 5.4% of white conservative Republicans expressed racist views on the in-born ability question, compared to 10.3% of the rest of the white population. [T]his same pattern holds for white Democrats compared to white Republicans: in 2008 12.3% of white Democrats in the U.S. believed that African Americans were born with less ability, compared to only 6.6% of white Republicans.

    In sixteen surveys from 1977 through 2008, overall white Republicans were significantly less racist on the in-born ability question than white Democrats (13.3% to 17.3%), and white conservative Republicans were significantly less racist than other white Americans (11.7% to 14.7%)…

    [O]verall white Democrats were significantly more likely to support segregated neighborhoods than white Republicans (30.4% to 26.3%).

    Mark (93f57a)

  75. There is the myth perpetrated by Republicans that President Obama is a big spender, when in truth, President Bush has spent far more to support his policies than President Obama has or will in his two terms,

    JD (b63a52)

  76. Nevertheless you demean yourselves with your language and behavior, including a prosecutor no less

    Dude, you’re the one who is dancing on the grave where 4 children can read your smearing of their father, days after they lost their grandmother

    and then the always inevitable stab at his job – well I know it stings because he has one

    EPWJ (1ea63e)

  77. It is a well established fact that yes, the great state of Florida, in the year 2000, disenfranchised about 12,000 eligible voters. GW Bush won FL by 537 votes and obtained the Presidency fraudulently, drastically changing the course of America

    JD (b63a52)

  78. JD: 7 Perry: 0

    Dustin (73fead)

  79. Mark, here is what you are doing:

    You assign me a label, liberal, then proceed to attack me based on the perceived behavior of said liberals.

    Here is what you ought to do:

    Quote me in context, then debate with me on the issue.

    And one more thing, an given point of view does not necessarily equate to intolerance.

    There is a choir singing on this blog, with very few stepping up to discussions, and with most engaging in ad hominems and character assassinations.

    Does this behavior make you proud.

    PS: If you wish to assign the intolerance label, you might also wish to consider the behavior of some of the Tea Party constituency, some of whom I suspect are members of the choir on here.

    Perry (329aa5)

  80. Perry is intolerant of honesty. And good faith.

    JD (4f721c)

  81. 75. and 77. JD

    I agree with both statements, and commend you for putting them up here.

    Perry (329aa5)

  82. 80. JD

    I agree with both statements, and commend you for putting them up here.

    And your evidence for this allegation is what, JD?

    Perry (329aa5)

  83. Not surprising, as he arose from a den of ‘scum and villainy’

    narciso (3fec35)

  84. I think in honor of Perry the title of this post needs to be updated:

    “David Frum Dances on Breitbart’s Grave; Other Mediocrities Join in the Dancing”

    Steve57 (60a887)

  85. Cancel my 82. I meant to use this quote:

    Perry is intolerant of honesty. And good faith.

    Right, JD, those quotes are my views. I stand by them.

    Perry (329aa5)

  86. There is a choir singing on this blog, with very few stepping up to discussions, and with most engaging in ad hominems and character assassinations


    you dont read this blog very deep just google me and breitbart. me and dustin, me and jd, Dave surls vs everybody, the wonderfuil DEustin, daley, Col Haiku exchanges, the sock puppet fridays – we have had far from the choir that you say we are. Its just that most of these people are decent human beings who defend the dead and small children – go figure…

    Yes they call names here and that weakens their arguments – but you have to understand – for arguments sake – even if Frum was 100% right in what he wrote about Andrew – it was pure and simple exploitation for his monetary gain – at any time Frum could have called out Andrew for what Andrew was loved and hated for. Anytime. Apparently it wasnt worth it except to do it when the brawler wasnt able to defend himself.

    Thats not bravery, journalism, nor worthy of a blog called th daily beast.

    Its chickensh$t cowardice.

    EPWJ (1ea63e)

  87. So, looking back, Perrry lovingly quotes Pareene. Ironically, he tries to tie that into a slam on Breitbart being a polarizing figure. Patterico points out that Pareene brought us the gem about Malkin and ping pong ball tricks, because making obscene sexual references about people based on their politics is the pinnacle of bridging the gap. After having had Pareene’s history pointed out, and after having lovingly quoted him at length, you then attempted to claim you did not know who he was, looked him up, and shockingly, now you like him, ignoring his vile sexist attacks and his essentially bein known and appreciated at Salon for his ability to curse. And the , you still continue to bemoan others not bridging the gap. Fack you and your faux above the fray holier than thou facking BS.

    JD (4f721c)

  88. Oh, and FWIW, I pulled those quote only from posts that Pery the Bridge Gapper posted under racial issues. Apparently Perry the H8r is dumb and dishonest. His idea of bridging the partisan gap is for hyper polemicist leftists to call you racists , an in the spirit of civility, you should just accept that, abandon all principle, and do whatever he asks. He is a election twoofer, and way further from the center than he is capable of admitting, he hovers in the conspiracy theory Fringe of MMfA and ThinkRegress.

    JD (4f721c)

  89. Perry seems to be under the mistaken belief that somehow this thread is about him and that his views matter to total strangers.

    elissa (a95fab)

  90. taint misbehavin’
    it’s teh doggone attention
    perry’s a-cravin’

    Colonel Haiku (7ecba5)

  91. taint misbehavin’
    it’s teh doggone attention
    perry’s a-cravin’


    Dustin (73fead)

  92. when this battle is over
    who will wear the crown?
    will it be the American people?
    or Barack 0bama, the Clown?

    Colonel Haiku (7ecba5)

  93. Elissa – you are absolutely right. His feigned CIVILITY NOW BS just rubbed me the wrong way.

    JD (4f721c)

  94. rejuvenation?
    this perry puts me to sleep
    like perry como

    Colonel Haiku (7ecba5)

  95. perry perry
    quite contrary
    get his ass kicked by
    my old Aunt Mary

    Colonel Haiku (7ecba5)

  96. 86. EPWJ

    I single you out as a more thoughtful person, but have to disagree with you here:

    Thats not bravery, journalism, nor worthy of a blog called th daily beast.

    Its chickensh$t cowardice.

    Death nevertheless leaves a legacy, sometimes good, sometimes bad, sometimes both. No one, not even Frum, or even myself, pass no aspersions on a yet grieving family.

    Acknowledge at least that David Frum said this in his piece:

    The good was there. Breitbart was by all accounts generous with time and advice, a loving husband and father, and a loyal friend.

    Perry (329aa5)

  97. Perry,

    No one who ever knew Breitbart said any differently.

    Frum however was essentially saying that a good idiot was still an idiot.

    Let me give you an illustration about how this works: Obama is by all accounts generous with time and advice, a loving husband and father and a loyal friend.

    Using Frum’s logic, Obama is still an idiot.

    Substitute “idiot” for any defamatory identifier you care to choose.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  98. Perry the Bridge Gapper, you’re not here to build bridges.

    You sure have a prurient interest in dancing on Breitbart’s grave. Maybe you’re Max Blumenthal, or maybe you’re an associate of Mad Max.
    Andrew was one of the sweetest, chillest guys on the planet. Nonetheless, we know that Andrew got underneath the skin of a lot of lefties, and you seem to be case in point.
    That one time in DC at CPAC when Andrew and Larry O’Connor each took Mad Max to the verbal woodshed, was, if I may use the words of Mastercard voiceover actor Billy Crudup, “priceless.”

    Andrew exposed a lot of wieners (pun intended)for being dicks—some were even impotent !—over the years, and I imagine you probably fall into that category.

    You can’t let it go, huh ?
    Even from his grave, Andrew has his claws in you.

    Elephant Stone (ade9ca)

  99. Perry,

    Frum wrote a daily column, he was lambasted by Andrew on more than one ocassion. He had ALL year to write something about Andrew Breitbart, after all, people are still writing books about Sarah Palin long after her metoric fall from the public eye.

    He could have been a journalist and try to write the real story of Andrew, something that sychophants and pyschopaths on both sides would disagree with but then there it is – hint – I knew Andrew – I knew many people who knew him for several years long before he was anybody – I sit fascinatingly stunned, stunned at both sides perception of him.

    But, he wasnt the devil, he was a nice guy who loved his country and his friends and his family

    Frum could have waited a week or two, to reflect on him in a column. He could have mentioned the family sorrow.

    Afterall Andrew wasnt as mean as that old cow from the Houston papers that was as nasty and lying in her columns for years and hen she passed we all expressed regrets.

    And that arab terrorist nazi who crowned her self queen of the white house press corp sat in the front row and lied and lied.

    Andrew couldnt hold a candle to their lying, scheming fakery.

    Andrew did what he did believing what he was told was true, in contrast those 2 women were democrat propagandists of the worse sort, sowing seeds of discord and doing treansable acts thinly guised as journalism.

    EPWJ (1ea63e)

  100. *meteoric*

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  101. treasonable sorry typing to fast and not thinking

    EPWJ (1ea63e)

  102. no worries it’s just important to describe her fall accurately I think

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  103. OK, we’ve had our say on this issue. Let the silent interlopers now be the judges, probably still silently.

    Perry (329aa5)

  104. Let us say no more about how Perry is a ghoul that is actively choosing to dance on the grave of a dead man, a friend of the proprietor of the blog Perry has chose to infest.

    JD (b63a52)

  105. I’ve dubbed them, nazguls, like the shreiking dragon riders in tthe Lord of the Rings.

    narciso (3fec35)

  106. Perry doesn’t seem intelligent enough to just stop commenting. Funny that. With all due respect Perry, kindly GFY! Sideways—with a twist!

    Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157 (f7d5ba)

  107. Let us say no more how Perry endorses the work of a man, not really, who makes vile sexist racist misogynist cracks about a minority woman he disagrees with. Let us no longer speak of his version of bridging the gap that involves making jokes about Asian women performing sexual acts with ping pong balls,

    JD (b63a52)

  108. Even though Andrew’s got his claws in Perry, ironically, it’s Perry who won’t let go.

    Elephant Stone (ade9ca)

  109. I have no idea what constitutes “silent interlopers” or what authority they give to Perry.

    I think he’s trying an insult to belief, or maybe he means shut up or the gods will get you.


    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  110. Well it’s the same ‘civility’ they show to Ann Romney.

    narciso (3fec35)

  111. Ag80 – he is echoing Al Sharpton, the MSNBC host that had a nasty habit of inciting race riots.

    JD (b63a52)

  112. Colonel Haiku wrote:

    taint misbehavin’
    it’s teh doggone attention
    perry’s a-cravin’

    Perry just loves to debate
    Even if he makes you irate
    He’s a bit of trouble
    But no one you need to hate.

    The Limerick Avenger (af9ec3)

  113. EPWJ wrote:

    and then the always inevitable stab at his job – well I know it stings because he has one

    Perry is well into his seventies and retired.

    The informative Dana (af9ec3)

  114. You assign me a label, liberal, then proceed to attack me based on the perceived behavior of said liberals.

    Perry, but were any of my theories about you incorrect?

    I’d characterize you as an honorable liberal — who wasn’t the essence of a “limousine liberal” (and one doesn’t have to be wealthy to be guilty of that type of two-faced behavior, which is the essence of so many liberals) — if I didn’t see so much “what, me?” dishonesty pouring out of you.

    BTW, if you’re still rather young — certainly in your teens, less so if you’re around your 20s, or not any older than your early 30s — the fact you’re of the left won’t strike me as so pathetic, as a case of arrested maturity. IOW, you’d have an excuse for lacking much common sense and a grasp of human nature. Or an excuse that doesn’t apply to all the oldsters occupying the upper echelons of the Democrat Party, including 51-year-old Obama.

    Mark (93f57a)

  115. Perry is well into his seventies and retired.

    Old liberals make me think of grizzled old women who’ve had one too many face lifts.

    Mark (93f57a)

  116. We’ve got three cats, two long-haired. I’m constantly cleaning Frum out of the carpets and spraying spot remover liberally before dabbing.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  117. “You mock me and I will not be mocked.”

    – Perry

    Colonel Haiku (d18acc)

  118. Not hard to figure out Who will be remembered for his courage and Who will be forgotten as a pathetic spiteful loser Huh folks.

    Rich K (8b2720)

  119. Andrew Breitbart was a completely honorable and decent man.


    gus (694db4)

  120. Andrew Breitbart was a kind and honest person who simply refused to sit still and accept the abuse that the left heaps upon anyone who disagrees with even their most trivial position. He deserved better friends.

    Gunga (b83c9b)

  121. When Frum dies, people will rise as one and say “…Who, now?”

    Rich Fader (4b0d0e)

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