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	<title>Comments on: WaPo Reporter to Reader: Those Who Oppose Gay Marriage Are Like Racists and Oppose Fairness</title>
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		<title>By: 什么减肥方法最有效</title>
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		<dc:creator>什么减肥方法最有效</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 20:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Usually I don&#039;t learn post on blogs, but I wish to say that this write-up very compelled me to take a look at and do it! Your writing taste has been amazed me. Thank you, quite nice post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usually I don&#8217;t learn post on blogs, but I wish to say that this write-up very compelled me to take a look at and do it! Your writing taste has been amazed me. Thank you, quite nice post.</p>
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		<title>By: running text</title>
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		<dc:creator>running text</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 10:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its like you learn my mind! You seem to grasp a lot about this, like you wrote the e-book in it or something. I believe that you just can do with some p.c. to pressure the message house a bit, however instead of that, this is great blog. A great read. I&#039;ll certainly be back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its like you learn my mind! You seem to grasp a lot about this, like you wrote the e-book in it or something. I believe that you just can do with some p.c. to pressure the message house a bit, however instead of that, this is great blog. A great read. I&#8217;ll certainly be back.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Ejercito</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Ejercito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 01:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During the campaign to ratify the 14th Amendment, there was no indication that any of the framers understood the amendment to even possibly create a right to polygamy. 

The idea that the framers did not understand the 14th to create a right to polygamy is further buttressed by a series of Supreme Court rulings that rejected constitutional challenges to anti-polygamy laws. all of those rulings were unanimous, and all affirmed lower court rulings rejecting such challenges. 

The same is true for same-sex &quot;marriage&quot;. There is not a single writing from the framers indicating that they believed that the amendment might require legal recognition of same-sex &quot;marriage&quot;. 

Further buttressing this point is the rejection of a constitutional amendment that &lt;i&gt;might &lt;/i&gt;have created a right to same-sex &quot;marriage&quot;. The year &lt;i&gt;Baker v. Nelson&lt;/i&gt;, 409 U.S. 810, 93 S. Ct. 37, 34 L.E.2d 65 (1972) was decided, the U.S. began a ten-year debate over the ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment. There was considerable debate over whether it would create a right to &quot;marry&quot; someone of the same sex, thus requiring a result opposite of &lt;i&gt;Baker&lt;/i&gt;. Compare&lt;i&gt; The Legality of Homosexual Marriage&lt;/i&gt;, 82 YALE L.J. 573 (1973) and testimony of Harvard Professor
Paul A. Freund in Hearings on H.J. Res. 35, 208 Before Subcomm. No. 4 of the House Comm. on the Judiciary, 92d Cong., 1st Sess. (1971) (arguing that ERA would create such a right) with  e.g.,
118 Cong. Rec. 4389 (daily ed. March 21, 1972) (Sen. Bayh) (arguing it would not)

Furthermore, there are different experiences with state-level ERA&#039;s. While both ERA&#039;s and same-sex &quot;marriages&quot; exist in Washington and Massachusetts, in the former, SSM is merely a statutory privilege subject to subsequent repeal by legislative action, while in the latter it is a constitutional right that can only be repealed by the state&#039;s amendment process. This difference arises from different interpretation of analogous constitutional provisions. 

When the ERA was rejected, the U.S. implicitly rejected this ambiguity. It is preposterous to argue that the 14th amendment should be interpreted to create a right to SSM when a stricter amendment that could be interpreted to create such a right was rejected &lt;i&gt;after &lt;/i&gt;the Supreme Court decided &lt;i&gt;Baker&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the campaign to ratify the 14th Amendment, there was no indication that any of the framers understood the amendment to even possibly create a right to polygamy. </p>
<p>The idea that the framers did not understand the 14th to create a right to polygamy is further buttressed by a series of Supreme Court rulings that rejected constitutional challenges to anti-polygamy laws. all of those rulings were unanimous, and all affirmed lower court rulings rejecting such challenges. </p>
<p>The same is true for same-sex &#8220;marriage&#8221;. There is not a single writing from the framers indicating that they believed that the amendment might require legal recognition of same-sex &#8220;marriage&#8221;. </p>
<p>Further buttressing this point is the rejection of a constitutional amendment that <i>might </i>have created a right to same-sex &#8220;marriage&#8221;. The year <i>Baker v. Nelson</i>, 409 U.S. 810, 93 S. Ct. 37, 34 L.E.2d 65 (1972) was decided, the U.S. began a ten-year debate over the ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment. There was considerable debate over whether it would create a right to &#8220;marry&#8221; someone of the same sex, thus requiring a result opposite of <i>Baker</i>. Compare<i> The Legality of Homosexual Marriage</i>, 82 YALE L.J. 573 (1973) and testimony of Harvard Professor<br />
Paul A. Freund in Hearings on H.J. Res. 35, 208 Before Subcomm. No. 4 of the House Comm. on the Judiciary, 92d Cong., 1st Sess. (1971) (arguing that ERA would create such a right) with  e.g.,<br />
118 Cong. Rec. 4389 (daily ed. March 21, 1972) (Sen. Bayh) (arguing it would not)</p>
<p>Furthermore, there are different experiences with state-level ERA&#8217;s. While both ERA&#8217;s and same-sex &#8220;marriages&#8221; exist in Washington and Massachusetts, in the former, SSM is merely a statutory privilege subject to subsequent repeal by legislative action, while in the latter it is a constitutional right that can only be repealed by the state&#8217;s amendment process. This difference arises from different interpretation of analogous constitutional provisions. </p>
<p>When the ERA was rejected, the U.S. implicitly rejected this ambiguity. It is preposterous to argue that the 14th amendment should be interpreted to create a right to SSM when a stricter amendment that could be interpreted to create such a right was rejected <i>after </i>the Supreme Court decided <i>Baker</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: The Dana who has been married for 33 years, 9 months and 8 days</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dana who has been married for 33 years, 9 months and 8 days</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Gulrud wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Some cynics among the married have said “why should gays be any happier than the rest of us married folk?”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hey, I&#039;m &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; happy to be married!  I can&#039;t imagine anyone else who would have put up with me for so long.</description>
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<blockquote><p>Some cynics among the married have said “why should gays be any happier than the rest of us married folk?”</p></blockquote>
<p>Hey, I&#8217;m <i>very</i> happy to be married!  I can&#8217;t imagine anyone else who would have put up with me for so long.</p>
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		<title>By: gary gulrud</title>
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		<dc:creator>gary gulrud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some cynics among the married have said &quot;why should gays be any happier than the rest of us married folk?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some cynics among the married have said &#8220;why should gays be any happier than the rest of us married folk?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: gary gulrud</title>
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		<dc:creator>gary gulrud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today the MN DFL and one GOP State Senator introduce a legislative Ok to Same-Sex Marriage.  This follows the defeat Nov. 6th of a GOP intiative to define marriage in the State Constitution.

According to the GOP supporter, safeguards will be included to prohibit forcing clergy to capitulate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today the MN DFL and one GOP State Senator introduce a legislative Ok to Same-Sex Marriage.  This follows the defeat Nov. 6th of a GOP intiative to define marriage in the State Constitution.</p>
<p>According to the GOP supporter, safeguards will be included to prohibit forcing clergy to capitulate.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Leviticus 18:22 – “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.”&lt;/i&gt;

Beyond the Bible, it&#039;s fascinating that the famous ancient Greek philosopher Plato originally said that opposition to homosexuality was, to paraphrase, something that only Neanderthals (or Plato&#039;s sniping was analogous to people like Obama talking about gun-toting religious folks in the suburbs, or Red America) felt or did. IOW, he sounded exactly like a modern-day liberal. But towards the later half of his life, he changed his tone (for whatever reason) and found homosexuality to be disreputable.

As much as things change, some things never change.

Personally, I find non-religious reasons for rejecting &quot;GLBT&quot; as more telling, widespread or compelling than anything related to a specific religion (the story of Sodom and Lot notwithstanding).

&lt;i&gt;they still chose to sue this woman for standing by her religious beliefs.&lt;/i&gt;

They undoubtedly pray at the altar of liberalism, and so their pushy, obstinate politics are as crucial and motivating to them as their homosexuality. 

Again, what comes first: Leftist sentiment or other aspects of human behavior, or visa versa?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Leviticus 18:22 – “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.”</i></p>
<p>Beyond the Bible, it&#8217;s fascinating that the famous ancient Greek philosopher Plato originally said that opposition to homosexuality was, to paraphrase, something that only Neanderthals (or Plato&#8217;s sniping was analogous to people like Obama talking about gun-toting religious folks in the suburbs, or Red America) felt or did. IOW, he sounded exactly like a modern-day liberal. But towards the later half of his life, he changed his tone (for whatever reason) and found homosexuality to be disreputable.</p>
<p>As much as things change, some things never change.</p>
<p>Personally, I find non-religious reasons for rejecting &#8220;GLBT&#8221; as more telling, widespread or compelling than anything related to a specific religion (the story of Sodom and Lot notwithstanding).</p>
<p><i>they still chose to sue this woman for standing by her religious beliefs.</i></p>
<p>They undoubtedly pray at the altar of liberalism, and so their pushy, obstinate politics are as crucial and motivating to them as their homosexuality. </p>
<p>Again, what comes first: Leftist sentiment or other aspects of human behavior, or visa versa?</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
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		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has the cowardly anonymous JournoLister addressed this yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has the cowardly anonymous JournoLister addressed this yet?</p>
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		<title>By: MD in Philly</title>
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		<dc:creator>MD in Philly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patterico, aphrael, DRJ, others-

When you get a chance, would you contribute thoughts on the Mass school policy?

I wonder if that Mass policy is supposed to apply to private schools, including religious, as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patterico, aphrael, DRJ, others-</p>
<p>When you get a chance, would you contribute thoughts on the Mass school policy?</p>
<p>I wonder if that Mass policy is supposed to apply to private schools, including religious, as well.</p>
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		<title>By: mg</title>
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		<dc:creator>mg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve57- I thank God everyday my two girls are done with high school and college.
To do it again, my kids would never know public schools exist.
This country is burnt toast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve57- I thank God everyday my two girls are done with high school and college.<br />
To do it again, my kids would never know public schools exist.<br />
This country is burnt toast.</p>
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