Patterico's Pontifications

2/12/2013

Dorner Cornered? UPDATE: Dead?

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 5:30 pm

He may be in a burning cabin in the Big Bear area. There was a gunfight earlier today and one deputy is dead.

Meanwhile the San Bernardino Sheriff is asking media not to tweet about Dorner, saying it puts deputies at risk. Huh? How could that be?

UPDATE: The L.A. Times tweets that a body has been found.

UPDATE x2: KTLA says an LAPD official has confirmed that the body is “believed” to be that of Dorner. Not sure what to make of that, frankly, but thanks to SarahW for the tip.

UPDATE x3: CBS purports to confirm it.

I am always wary of early reports. Always.

UPDATE x4: The L.A. Times confirms a body has been found, and says identifying it might take hours or even days.

80 Comments

  1. Clearly it’s the story of the day.

    Comment by Patterico (9c670f) — 2/12/2013 @ 5:31 pm

  2. Isn’t he all crispy by now?

    Comment by JD (b63a52) — 2/12/2013 @ 5:34 pm

  3. As Dennis Prager said this morning, “What murderer hasn’t had a grievance?”

    Comment by AZ Bob (c11d35) — 2/12/2013 @ 6:00 pm

  4. I think they asked the media to stop tweeting because there was a reporter at the scene.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 2/12/2013 @ 6:04 pm

  5. More on the reporter here.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 2/12/2013 @ 6:05 pm

  6. He’s dead.

    Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/12/2013 @ 6:09 pm

  7. Not the reporter, Dorner.

    Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/12/2013 @ 6:09 pm

  8. crispy chris dorner
    got one Hella head start on
    hot corner of Hell

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (00144f) — 2/12/2013 @ 6:35 pm

  9. liberal ex-law enforcement l00n lit up…

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (00144f) — 2/12/2013 @ 6:37 pm

  10. Where is the confirmation he’s dead?

    Comment by Patterico (9c670f) — 2/12/2013 @ 6:38 pm

  11. Will all the know-it-all speculators who insisted how he’s been dead for days ! or how he’s high-tailed it to Mexico—unquestionably ! please denounce themselves ?

    Beavis and Butthead could have planned a better escape route than this piece of crap.
    The mountains ? Really ?

    Comment by Elephant Stone (9f8fb5) — 2/12/2013 @ 6:40 pm

  12. Are they sure it was Dorner? It may have been an Asian dwarf who was tending his garden…

    Comment by Ghost (2d8874) — 2/12/2013 @ 6:42 pm

  13. crazed crispy cop crackles when cornered in cabin… fiery finale for flake found flambéed…

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (00144f) — 2/12/2013 @ 6:43 pm

  14. Comment by Patterico (9c670f) — 2/12/2013 @ 6:38 pm

    Last I heard everyone was watching the fire from a safe distance, and would do a forensic investigation when it had died down.

    Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 2/12/2013 @ 6:43 pm

  15. fiery finale for flaky flat foot found flambéed…

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (00144f) — 2/12/2013 @ 6:46 pm

  16. Michael van Poppel (@mpoppel)
    2/12/13, 9:47 PM
    KTLA-TV: LAPD source confirms body found in burnt cabin has been identified as wanted cop killer

    Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/12/2013 @ 6:51 pm

  17. CBS has same breaking report.

    Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/12/2013 @ 6:51 pm

  18. porky po-po parboiled

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (00144f) — 2/12/2013 @ 6:51 pm

  19. http://ktla.com/2013/02/12/cabin-dormer-believed-to-be-holed-up-in-on-fire/#axzz2KkBYpMus

    Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/12/2013 @ 6:53 pm

  20. Link has new headline: BREAKING: Accused Cop Killer Chris Dorner Found Dead in Burned Cabin

    Read more: http://ktla.com/2013/02/12/cabin-dormer-believed-to-be-holed-up-in-on-fire/#ixzz2KkBnSFwa
    Read more at http://ktla.com/2013/02/12/cabin-dormer-believed-to-be-holed-up-in-on-fire/#ERCyt1obbAZd2iKp.99

    Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/12/2013 @ 6:54 pm

  21. Hope I linked that enough times. :)

    Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/12/2013 @ 6:55 pm

  22. UPDATE: The L.A. Times tweets that a body has been found.

    Comment by Patterico (9c670f) — 2/12/2013 @ 6:57 pm

  23. UPDATE x2: KTLA says an LAPD official has confirmed that the body is “believed” to be that of Dorner. Not sure what to make of that, frankly, but thanks to SarahW for the tip.

    Comment by Patterico (9c670f) — 2/12/2013 @ 6:58 pm

  24. Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/12/2013 @ 6:55 pm

    Being thorough is good. ;-)

    Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 2/12/2013 @ 6:58 pm

  25. jawbone of jackass found in smoky rubble spawns Big Bear Cabin Truther Movement…

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (00144f) — 2/12/2013 @ 6:59 pm

  26. Here’s the CBS link: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57569072/fugitive-ex-lapd-cops-body-recovered-from-burned-cabin/

    Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/12/2013 @ 7:00 pm

  27. “Wood has never burned… Google it!”, screams Rosie O’Donnell…

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (00144f) — 2/12/2013 @ 7:01 pm

  28. UPDATE x3: CBS purports to confirm it.

    I am always wary of early reports. Always.

    Comment by Patterico (9c670f) — 2/12/2013 @ 7:03 pm

  29. I’m ready to feel very sorry for the guy who owns the cabin.

    Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/12/2013 @ 7:04 pm

  30. “I’m on top o’the world,Ma… AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (00144f) — 2/12/2013 @ 7:09 pm

  31. USA today has a story on the sequence of events in the standoff/shoot out. Dorner himself had a smoke bomb the he set off to flee from the cabin, but apparently was driven back in.

    He also crashed the truck he took from the older couple.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/12/christopher-dorner-ex-cop-los-angeles-mexico/1912553/

    Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/12/2013 @ 7:24 pm

  32. smoke bombs are all about timing and wind conditions

    I saw it on burn notice

    Comment by happyfeet (323d6f) — 2/12/2013 @ 7:26 pm

  33. Has there been any news reports on how the fire started? Reports say teargas deployed – was that followed by incendiaries like a flash bang?

    Comment by FreeMinds&Markets (10eac3) — 2/12/2013 @ 7:27 pm

  34. Well, one less devotee and sycophant of Obama. One less fan of Michelle and her hair-do.

    Comment by Mark (b40cf0) — 2/12/2013 @ 7:29 pm

  35. that’s a nice way to look at it Mr. Mark

    FORWARD!

    Comment by happyfeet (323d6f) — 2/12/2013 @ 7:31 pm

  36. Guy thought he had the skills to be Rambo, but in the end all he could manage was Dumbo. (That will also serve as my take on the State of the Union.)

    Comment by Kevin Stafford (1d1b9e) — 2/12/2013 @ 8:02 pm

  37. 2000 hrs: LAPD denying that a body has been found in burned building, therefore no proof positive that Dorner is DOA.

    Protection details on LAPD personnel will continue.

    Comment by mm (bf1b3d) — 2/12/2013 @ 8:11 pm

  38. the whole dorner saga was a lot more interesting when he was alive I think

    Comment by happyfeet (323d6f) — 2/12/2013 @ 8:14 pm

  39. Nothing we’re going to do is going to fundamentally alter or eliminate the possibility of another mass shooting or guarantee that we will bring gun deaths down to a thousand a year from what we’re at now,” Biden said, according to a Politico report.

    Change you can believe in ?

    Comment by Neo (d1c681) — 2/12/2013 @ 8:17 pm

  40. I still think he’s dead, and that they believe he is dead for good reason, but always trust caution from Patterico :) .

    I wonder how long it will be before they can go in there… There were hints about a basement, even hints about possible escape before the fire.

    They’d be tearing the hills apart, though, if they thought he was still at large.

    Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/12/2013 @ 8:40 pm

  41. it would be faster if they used that trick where you pour water on it

    Comment by happyfeet (323d6f) — 2/12/2013 @ 8:41 pm

  42. USA today has some details… The “elderly couple” was comprised of two cleaning ladies. They found him and were zip tied by him in a cabin 20-30 yards from where media gathered for briefings. The burned cabin is another ne very nearby.
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/12/christopher-dorner-ex-cop-los-angeles-mexico/1912553/

    Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/12/2013 @ 8:50 pm

  43. Happy feet, in the same article, a spokeswoman for the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department, says they won’t let firefighters go near, that it isn’t safe, presumably because of risks of ammunition exploding.

    Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/12/2013 @ 8:56 pm

  44. The blaze is saying reports that they recovered his body are false but…

    what they are saying is the cabin is too hot to have been searched yet. but it sounds like they are still pretty sure they got him.

    I would say that anyone in the LAPD need to treat him as dead until they confirm it.

    There is no truth to the rumor that they are taking this long to cool off the body because they have to drink enough water to p*ss on his corpse.

    Comment by Aaron "Worthing" Walker (23789b) — 2/12/2013 @ 9:02 pm

  45. good point but it’s the mountains though they have those flying water dumper thingies stationed around those parts

    Comment by happyfeet (323d6f) — 2/12/2013 @ 9:04 pm

  46. but it’s probably cheaper just to wait

    they’ve already spent a butt-load of money on this

    and that’s before the lawsuits

    Comment by happyfeet (323d6f) — 2/12/2013 @ 9:05 pm

  47. i would move heaven and earth to confirm he was dead asap, so everyone could relax. whatever you think of them accidentally shooting other people, we have to want that state of panic to go away as soon as justifiable.

    And it does take a while to drink that much water…

    Comment by Aaron "Worthing" Walker (23789b) — 2/12/2013 @ 9:08 pm

  48. Well I almost understand that part, it isn’t every day, a former member starts taking your people out, that only happens in Lethal Weapon and SWAT films.

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/12/2013 @ 9:12 pm

  49. that’s a good point as well

    some people need closure I’m sure you’re right

    Comment by happyfeet (323d6f) — 2/12/2013 @ 9:12 pm

  50. House burned down on purpose?

    at 29:36 or so : ‘we’re gonna go forward with the plan, with the burn .. like we talked about’
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fbc_1360721946

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T6cG7FC71c&feature=youtu.be

    also here at about 25:30 or so:
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fbc_1360721946

    and a more in context listen:
    https://www.youtube.com/embed/SCdqybEfy9w

    Comment by cyr (c365a1) — 2/12/2013 @ 10:00 pm

  51. Old wood structure….
    You lob in several or more tear-gas projectiles that get very, very hot when they are triggered….
    A very high probability of starting a fire….
    If someone runs out of a burning structure holding a weapon, you shoot them….
    If no one runs out, you wait until the fire burns itself out, and when the embers/ash cool, send in the arson team….
    If they find a body, call the coroner, and wait for the DNA/Dental ID.

    Didn’t they play a version of this song in North Hollywood?

    Comment by askeptic (2bb434) — 2/12/2013 @ 11:36 pm

  52. Getting warmer: they have now recovered carred human remains. ID to follow.
    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-charred-human-remains-found-in-burned-cabin.html

    Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/13/2013 @ 5:04 am

  53. Charred, not carred.

    Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/13/2013 @ 5:05 am

  54. Looks like the cleaning ladies are in line for the 1.2 Million $ reward (offered for information leading to the apprehension of Dorner).

    Comment by ropelight (13f7ed) — 2/13/2013 @ 6:04 am

  55. Cinque II?

    Comment by mojo (8096f2) — 2/13/2013 @ 9:10 am

  56. Piers Morgan viewership hurt most.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/13/2013 @ 9:22 am

  57. Perhaps, it’s a little bit of an allegory to see this evil Dorner person burn to death.

    Comment by Elephant Stone (a5d808) — 2/13/2013 @ 10:30 am

  58. Anecdotal evidence will most likely be confirmed by the autopsy that he died from a self-inflcted GSW.
    The fire that induced him to do that was just a preview of what was in store for him.

    Comment by askeptic (b8ab92) — 2/13/2013 @ 10:45 am

  59. Ropelight: I hope so. One of them was very resourceful – managed to break her zip tie and get to the phone.

    Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/13/2013 @ 10:56 am

  60. Steve Sailer has made the point that the question is not “Why was Dorner fired,” but rather “Why was Dorner hired?”

    Comment by DN (b2f1fb) — 2/13/2013 @ 11:10 am

  61. I saw this comment following an LA times article on the Manhunt (paraphrased from memory):

    “When I came across the reference to D.H. Lawrence in Christopher Dorner’s manifesto, it just made me think he’d probably watched G.I. Jane too much]”

    I’ve never seen GI Jane so I had to go look up the Wiki plot – and danged if that impression doesn’t seem plausible.

    I don’t think he’ll get his wish of being a VIP brain in the Hall of Fame at Abby Normal Memorial Institute, there might not be any left. I do wonder if we’ll here more about how many clues there were to him being very very off long before, and how they were swept under the rug.

    Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/13/2013 @ 11:21 am

  62. Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/13/2013 @ 11:21 am

    We might find out if the Navy is as PC brain-dead as the Army was with Hasan.
    The LAPD, since the Consent Decree, has probably joined that group.

    Comment by askeptic (b8ab92) — 2/13/2013 @ 11:56 am

  63. Identifying the body might take hours, even days?
    Yeah, let’s give the guy a nice big head start, and his fantards reason to keep hope alive forever. Well played, LAPD.

    Comment by AMartel (88c646) — 2/13/2013 @ 5:25 pm

  64. Actually it’s more like an old episode of JAG;

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/13/2013 @ 5:27 pm

  65. http://www.humanevents.com/2013/02/13/columbia-professor-hail-mad-dog-killer/

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/13/2013 @ 5:44 pm

  66. i like how they are saying that they found his driver’s license at the cabin…

    because they also supposedly found his DL at the border crossing and by the boat he was allegedly going to steal, etc…

    how many copies did this guy have?

    Comment by redc1c4 (403dff) — 2/13/2013 @ 7:41 pm

  67. redc1c4–your life will be less stressful and yet you will be equally informed if you do not believe anything–not a word— the media publishes or televises. Yes it has gotten that bad.

    Comment by elissa (57ebdf) — 2/13/2013 @ 8:16 pm

  68. I don’t know what’s real anymore. A “cleaning lady” volte-face!

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/13/dorner-lapd-officer-fugitive-gunbattle/1915961/

    Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/13/2013 @ 8:36 pm

  69. Well, SarahW, there is a million dollar reward at stake.

    Comment by elissa (57ebdf) — 2/13/2013 @ 8:44 pm

  70. I thought it was interesting that CBS went out of their way this evening not to mention “CS gas” instead referring to it as “strong tear gas”. Anybody with half a brain would know that it was CS gas canisters that caused the fire at Waco, and, now, the fire that burned Dorner alive.

    This story doesn’t just have Dorner as the “bad guy.” There are plenty of “bad guys” to this story, and lots of stupidity.

    Comment by Neo (d1c681) — 2/13/2013 @ 8:53 pm

  71. elissa, the only printed material i believe is the lettering that gives the alcohol content on my food.

    since the government taxes booze by content, i can be reasonably sure the labeling is accurate. 8-)

    Comment by redc1c4 (403dff) — 2/13/2013 @ 9:18 pm

  72. 59. Steve Sailer has made the point that the question is not “Why was Dorner fired,” but rather “Why was Dorner hired?”

    Comment by DN (b2f1fb) — 2/13/2013 @ 11:10 am

    Clearly a diversity hire. There is no friggin way anyone can convince me he got into the nav on the strength of anything but he was big and black.

    This will not be the hill diversity dies upon.

    Which begs the question, where and upon what hill will anything worth dying upon get killed?

    Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 2/13/2013 @ 11:06 pm

  73. *upon what hill will anything worth dying upon for get killed?*

    Comment by Steve57 (60a887) — 2/13/2013 @ 11:08 pm

  74. Steve, unalienable rights are worth defending, even as Obama attempts to define them first as inalienable, and then as deriving ex gratia from the federal government.

    Comment by ropelight (5cc6b1) — 2/14/2013 @ 6:48 am

  75. The LA Coroner confirms it was Dorner’s body recovered in the burned cabin.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 2/14/2013 @ 4:39 pm

  76. The link also says Dorner tied up the couple whose cabin he was staying in, not two maids. He stole their Nissan and they were the ones who escaped and called police.

    Another example of why we shouldn’t trust early reports.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 2/14/2013 @ 4:43 pm

  77. Trying to block out intrusive munchkin medical examiner songs.

    I’m glad the targeted, and others that might have fallen in his path, are safe from him now.

    Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/14/2013 @ 4:56 pm

  78. Another example of why we shouldn’t trust early MFM reports.

    FTFY!

    Comment by redc1c4 (403dff) — 2/14/2013 @ 5:32 pm

  79. I’m glad the targeted, and others that might have fallen in his path, are safe from him now.

    not to mention the rest of us put at risk by trigger happy cops with poor training and itchy fingers…

    at least until the next time one of them freaks out and starts blazing away like he’s in a video game.

    Comment by redc1c4 (403dff) — 2/14/2013 @ 5:34 pm

  80. Point taken, red.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 2/14/2013 @ 5:50 pm

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