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Dorner Being Tracked by Drones

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:25 am

It’s a first!

POLICE plan to use spy drones in the hunt for a Rambo-style ex-soldier and policeman who has murdered three people and vowed to kill again.

. . . .

Yesterday, as a task force of 125 officers, some riding Snowcats in the rugged terrain, continued their search, it was revealed that Dorner has become the first human target for remotely-controlled airborne drones on US soil.

A senior police source said: “The thermal imaging cameras the drones use may be our only hope of finding him. On the ground, it’s like looking for a needle in a haystack.”

He has declared his intent to kill others, and has been described as a domestic terrorist.

I wonder if Obama is soliciting memos on whether he can kill him with a drone strike without a trial.

P.S. It’s more than a little scary that it’s tough to tell whether my quasi-joke will be taken seriously.

In fact, it’s tough to tell whether I’m right.

119 Responses to “Dorner Being Tracked by Drones”

  1. this will up the value of the movie rights aggressively for sure

    happyfeet (323d6f)

  2. The heat signature from thermal imaging could help identify an individual as opposed to a four-legged animal out in the open, especially on snow covered ground or concealed inside empty homes or out-buildings. And, the Million $ reward is sure to inspire any knowledgeable accomplices to come forward.

    I think Dorner’s big talkin’ manifesto is all hot air and bluster, he’s a big cry baby momma’s boy who started his murder spree by killing Monica Quan, a woman I suspect he was infatuated with and when he learned she was recently engaged to marry a black man who was everything he wasn’t Dorner went mad with insane jealousy and killed her. The later cop shootings occured in his effort to escape capture.

    So far, Dorner, for all his bluster is nothing more than a dirty little coward who murdered the girl who rejected him and made up a cock and bull story to cover his embarrassment.

    ropelight (addfd8)

  3. So far, Dorner, for all his bluster is nothing more than a dirty little coward who murdered the girl who rejected him and made up a cock and bull story to cover his embarrassment.

    That may just be why he’s so popular with some on the left.

    (And, sadly, too many on the right. Folks, the “X-Files” wasn’t a documentary. Not every event in the world is the result of a Dire Conspiracy.)

    Rob Crawford (6c262f)

  4. yes Mr. Crawford I don’t think the left has a monopoly on dorner action doll syndrome either

    happyfeet (323d6f)

  5. In one way I don’t see the difference whether it is an unmanned drone or a helicopter, which obviously have been around a long time.

    I always thought a major reason for the use of unmanned drones for the military was the ability to do certain things without putting humans at risk.

    I imagine drones are less expensive than manned aircraft, maybe compared to manned helicopters as well, IDK.

    Is there anything a drone can do that manned aircraft can’t? or is the major concern that drones are cheaper hence more of them can be up in the air. Can’t helicopters and planes use infra red imaging, etc.?

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  6. If the drones have the ability to launch a ground attack, I expect their remote controllers would exercise more restraint than the trigger-happy cops who’ve opened fire on two old Hispanic women delivering newspapers and on a white guy on his way to go surfing, neither of which was driving a gray Nissan pick-up truck.

    ropelight (addfd8)

  7. OT- What’s Patrick Fitzgerald doing these days? Would he dig into Benghazi with the vigor he did Plamegate?

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  8. Has Obama given the KILL order yet?? Dorner needs to be killed by Obama so that Bush cannot have him waterboarded. WTF has happened to this nation?

    gus (694db4)

  9. This is one former cop that the lefties can rally behind !

    Elephant Stone (4562fa)

  10. “P.S. It’s more than a little scary that it’s tough to tell whether my quasi-joke will be taken seriously”.

    “In fact, it’s tough to tell whether I’m right”.

    Kinda like trying to tell he NYT from The Onion only a couple of people have already had their trucks riddled with police bullets.

    f1guyus (647d76)

  11. Never trust a commenter who doesn’t know how to use proper punctuation or capitals.

    Elephant Stone (4562fa)

  12. If I had a drone it would look a lot like the one chasing Dorner.

    JVW (4826a9)

  13. I tried telling Daley I wasn’t crazy. This will be common place soon enough.

    Ghost (2d8874)

  14. He’s not a soldier, (this isn’t the first time, they’ve made this mistake) he’s a former Navy flier.

    narciso (3fec35)

  15. people with fancy punctuation and stuff aren’t always what they seem

    always check the crawlspace

    happyfeet (4bf7c2)

  16. I think you’re right, ropelight. Dorner is an ass. His wife left him after a few months of marriage. I’m sure he was pretty tightly wound even then.

    As for the drone, I suppose its value is that it’s silent, so they can look for him without tipping him off.

    I am also scared that this is the slippery slope we all worry about. Of course, he’s a hero to the left so Bams won’t pull the trigger. He will wait till some bitter clinger is on the run.

    Patricia (be0117)

  17. Doc, drones can generally “loiter” a lot longer than either fixed, or non-fixed wing aircraft.
    Plus, helicopter surveillance at that altitude is problematic.
    However, if they get a good “heat signature” indicating “man”, they can then send in specialized A/C to get a more positive ID.
    Once they have that, Katy-bar-the-door!

    BTW, is that reward “Dead or Alive”?

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  18. Thanks, askeptic and Patricia

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  19. Well, now that I can see the tactical difference in using a drone (as opposed to a helicopter), I’m not sure there’s any moral difference.

    Kman (5576bf)

  20. The LAT is now moving closer to the Dorner the Hero position. On the first page, re his claim of bad behavior filed the day after he got a bad review, it’s not clear whose testimony is to be believed.


    No wonder he loves the left.

    Patricia (be0117)

  21. The Left will believe almost anything, since they can never remember the lies they have told.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  22. The Left has an inviolate set of rules for evaluating any issue. If it undermines the Rule of Law, lets criminals off the hook, violates the Constitution, renders citizens subservient to the government, strengthens the UN, supports Islamic terrorism, denigrates religion, patriotism, or tradition, protects Democrat malfeasance in office, or raises taxes they’re all for it.

    ropelight (addfd8)

  23. Tomorrow night, in the State of the Disunion address, Obama will ineivitably play the “teachers, cops, and firemen are underpaid and not receiving the respect they deserve !” card.
    That will elicit universal applause from the nation’s lefties.
    Then, on Wednesday morning, they’ll revert back to denigrating the cops of the LAPD for “causing” this man of peace Chris Dorner to hunt law enforcement and their families.

    Elephant Stone (4562fa)

  24. SOTU….
    Thank heavens for hockey!

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  25. Comment by Elephant Stone (4562fa) — 2/11/2013 @ 11:17 am

    Who volunteers to watch it for the rest of us?

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  26. Memo? The President doesn’t need a memo. Just declare him a domestic terrorist and send in the drones.

    egd (d580cc)

  27. Who says Obama wants to kill Dorner? After all, Dorner is his biggest fan.

    School marm (9085a6)

  28. askeptic, MD in Philly;

    Sorry, fellas, Tuesday night I’ll be rearranging my sock drawer, so I won’t be able to watch it. But if you want to know what The One is going to say on Tuesday night, you can always watch a YouTube clip of his SOTU from 2009, 2010, 2011, or 2012.

    Elephant Stone (4562fa)

  29. Well lets hope the kids in the AZ desert flying them drones are more carefull than the Cali police.

    Deep Throat could usher in a narthex full of collateral damage.

    Hope Ru Paul gets the part.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  30. ES, I get dizzy with all the pivoting back to jobs every month or two.
    With all the attention that Teh Won has given this issue, it’s a wonder we’re not stuck somewhere in the Dark Ages.

    Good luck with those socks.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  31. I reckon I’d shoot him, if he won’t surrender. Wouldn’t you?

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  32. I hear they want a 12% pay increase.

    Wonder what it would be if they shot at only suspects.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  33. The cops have made it pretty clear he’s not going to get a chance to surrender.

    luagha (5cbe06)

  34. 31…more….
    Perhaps if our Dear Leader completely ignored the economy, and refused to let any of his minions issue any edict that had anything, even remotely, to do with the economy, we might – Just Might, mind you – be able to begin a recovery.
    But that would be too much like what Coolidge did, and would be completely out of character for a Progressive, who must personally direct every facet of American Life, no matter how small and insignificant – particularly this Progressive, whose mission is to completely transform American into his vision and image.

    The Japanese are now into their third Lost Decade, following virtually every policy prescription that is being used by this White House.
    Since American Progressives always believe that previous failures can only be attributed to “not having the right people directing the effort”, and they are so much better, we will probably be consigned to a Lost Half-Century.

    We are so doomed!

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  35. Wonder if they actually checked the serial # in Big Bear:,0,3955268.story

    They mighta just wanted Torrance cops off the case.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  36. THE LEFT!!!!!1!!!11eleventy!!!

    Leviticus (1aca67)

  37. I think a major concern with domestic drones is that it opens the door to much broader surveillance.

    With a police helicopter, they can’t watch everything all the time. There’s a sense that they are mainly looking at things for cause. If we have 20,000 drones in the air, loitering ten hours at a time, we begin to lose the spirit of freedom and privacy.

    We basically already have, I suppose, what with Google street view and millions of little cameras everywhere, but it’s another step away from what I consider ideal.

    Dustin (73fead)

  38. 35. “we will probably be consigned to a Lost Half-Century.”

    Probably impossible to predict. The collapse to RESET is already begun. We could have a new currency in a handful of years. The millenials are toast, but the crew entering K-12 now could have different work habits.

    OTOH the original Dark Ages lasted some centuries.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  39. “If we have 20,000 drones in the air, loitering ten hours at a time, we begin to lose the spirit of freedom and privacy.”

    That’s why God gave us surface to air missiles and the second amendment.


    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  40. I think people are giving Dorner too much credit for being alive. Frankly I think they will find his thawing corpse in the springtime.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  41. I agree with SarahW. He’s already dead.

    Kman (5576bf)

  42. Don’t know.
    Plan-A, the boat to Mexico, didn’t pan out due to his poor seamanship – allowing a docking line to foul the prop.
    The mountains could be Plan-B, and he could have “prepared the battlefield” by stashing supplies and even transportation, which would explain torching his truck.
    Just think back to the search for Eric Rudolph, the Olympic Park Bomber, in 1996:
    It took seven years to catch him!

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  43. So all those tinfoil hats are obsolete. It’s the drones now. Watch out.

    Birdbath (716828)

  44. Killing Americans in America?

    H/T- Hot Air

    By: Glenn Greenwald:

    “...That many Democratic partisans and fervent Obama admirers are vapid, unprincipled hacks willing to justify anything and everything when embraced by Obama – including exactly that which they pretended to oppose under George W Bush – has also been clear for many years. Back in February, 2008, Paul Krugman warned that Obama supporters are “dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality.” In May, 2009, a once-fervent Obama supporter, New York Times columnist Bob Herbert, wrote a column warning that Obama was embracing many of the worst Bush/Cheney abuses and felt compelled – in the very first sentence – to explain what should be self-evident: “Policies that were wrong under George W. Bush are no less wrong because Barack Obama is in the White House.”…”

    A slow awakening to the problem that their sycophancy has created.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

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  46. “…it is time to be happy.”

    Maybe after they kill the guy, but not right at this moment.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  47. Hmm, I’d say he’s still alive and getting off on all the excitement of messages from Charlie Sheen and Jesse J and the like. He’ll probably surrender just to keep up the hero status.

    Patricia (be0117)

  48. Three posts of interest to you guys.

    First, Captain Beck of the police is giving into Dorner Terrorism, here.

    Second, I give Brooks a good hard smacking for dissembling about Kimberlin, again. If there was any question that he was working for the guy, there you go.

    Third, Dorner actually manages to become more evil. allegedly. not sure i need to keep saying “allegedly.”

    Aaron "Worthing" Walker (23789b)

  49. Approximately it the right moment! Surls!

    SPQR (768505)

  50. as far as him being dead

    SarahW a sorta popular theory is he torched his truck for to stop the popo from shooting randomly at people

    but I think it’s more likely he had a Plan and torched the car to hide evidence

    if he just got stuck I think he would’ve made a better effort to hide the car, not call attention to it

    I wasn’t really all that interested in this but people walk right up to you and want to talk about it, and that right there *is* interesting

    happyfeet (323d6f)

  51. Is it possible to misread the situation, more then this;

    narciso (3fec35)

  52. happyfeet,

    Is anyone you know speculating that Dorner had a spare vehicle, spare ID, and weapons cache in Big Bear, so he dumped his truck and used the spare vehicle to leave the area? He strikes me as the type who might know how to set a timer explosive on his truck so it would catch fire and be noticed a few hours later, after Dorner was safely away and could watch the police hunt for him on TV. After reading his manifesto, I think he’d enjoy that, don’t you?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  53. Plus, it’s a good way to focus a lot of police in a specific area, making it easier for him to move to another location.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  54. yes – the rumor is he had a place up there in the mountains, and since there are basically just a couple ways in and out of there a timer would make sense

    i need to start reading more on this except I don’t do the la times

    carol the news crone is finally talking about dorner action figure syndrome… course she’s using her screechy phony incredulous crone intonation. I bet she gets tired of listening to herself.

    happyfeet (323d6f)

  55. oh on the manifesto – I need to read that at some point – but apparently people think he was drinking and gets drunker the further you go

    i said are you sure he wasn’t getting high

    they said no no you need to read it it’s definitely alcohol

    happyfeet (323d6f)

  56. This morning the LA Times is reporting that Dorner had a known associate identified as J.Y.who’s family owned property in Big Bear and the burned out truck was found near the property.

    ropelight (396292)

  57. thanks it all makes sense then

    except the initials thing is kinda weird

    happyfeet (323d6f)

  58. BTW: Don’t assume the guy is stupid. Burnt truck probably a decoy. Given his “mission”, I’d expect him to be back in the LA basin somewhere, biding his time.

    He sure has some parts of the po-po shittin’ bricks, anyway, that they’re opening fire without warning. Are we sure his “manifesto” is a bunch of crazy talk?

    mojo (8096f2)

  59. “Are we sure his “manifesto” is a bunch of crazy talk.”

    Sure as hell sounds like it to me, you can hear eerily similar braggadocio at the bar of the local American Legion Post from time to time, usually it turns out from wannabes who spent their time in support outfits.

    ropelight (396292)

  60. Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 2/12/2013 @ 7:32 am

    I posited that as a possible Plan-B yesterday.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  61. There you go. Sorry for the repeat.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  62. Good thing the LAPD has a lot of drones. Also, they have some unmanned aircraft.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  63. We see what you did there, and it was most perceptive.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  64. I hate that I’m laughing at anything about this story, but that’s hilarious, SPQR.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  65. Mojo, if he hadn’t screwed up stealing the boat so badly, I’d be more inclined to think the truck a decoy. LAPD (caveat: LAPD) say the truck was driven up a back road, a rough access “fire” road designed for use by heavy vehicles.

    It appeared, said the LAPD (caveat: LAPD) that he had lost control of the vehicle in before it came to rest, and the axle was broken.

    He wouldn’t have been able to get up the hill with a pre-broken axle, and the slid truck probably broke unexpectedly. If there were a vehicle following behind I suppose he could have gotten out of there. If he met up with a helper, or the helper left specific escape things for him, perhaps he did get away.

    But I don’t think the broken axle was planned.

    He left tracks in more than one direction, back tracking in the snowprints to throw seekers off…
    Today they say he has an associate “J.Y.” whose relative owns property in the area nearby and speculate he might have had assistance.

    He would need assistance to get away. Otherwise, he’s dead already.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  66. SarahW, or he’s holed up in an empty cabin.

    SPQR (768505)

  67. BREAKING: LA Times is reporting a shootout with him

    Kman (5576bf)

  68. FOX NEWS (Caution: early reports are often inaccurate) is reporting that Dorner is cornered in Big Bear and is now engaged in a shoot out with the cops, who have called for police reserves to converge on the location.

    ropelight (396292)

  69. Woo. Is he caught?

    SarahW (b0e533)

  70. Game warden started the shoot out?

    SarahW (b0e533)

  71. Not yet. Still unclear if he’s holed up someplace or if he’s taken off in a car. But I can’t believe he’ll get far.

    Kman (5576bf)

  72. There’s three or four versions of what has happened so far — one involving taking a couple hostage, another one saying he was stopped by fish & game warden. As ropelight says, these early reports are often inaccurate.

    Kman (5576bf)

  73. I just read on reliable twitter that a
    scanner channel is open and it indicates he is holed up in a cabin.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  74. they found him at the local TEA Party meeting…

    redc1c4 (403dff)

  75. not sure if it counts as “reliable”, but Ace has the audio stream going at the link.

    redc1c4 (403dff)

  76. 2 LEO’s wounded and transported, status unknown. Dorner cornered in cabin, shooting intermittently, police on site containing Dorner waiting for the SWAT Team to arrive.

    ropelight (396292)

  77. What about the tied-up folks? Is this a new cabin he’s moved to? A hostage situation?

    SarahW (b0e533)

  78. Latest:

    @KNX1070#BREAKING San Bernardino Co. Fire: All mountain access roads (18, 330, 38) closed. #manhunt #dorner #lapdReplyRetweetFavorite
    5:15 PM

    @SBcountyNow @SBcountyNowDorner reportedly holed up in Angelus Oaks cabin, which is completely surrounded. Police told media to cut their aerial video feed.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  79. Dan McKernan, spokesman for Big Bear Lake Resort Association: “We don’t even know officially this is Dorner, but we are so grateful for all the efforts of law enforcement here this week.

    @sbsunby michel nolan 5:19 PM

    5:18 PM Liset Marquez @DBOntarioNowConfirmed: 2 deputies wounded in gun battle with Dorner third person may be shot, officers believe it may be #Dorner

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  80. Sarah, presently unclear, but some reports indicate Dorner took the elderly couple’s white pick-up. After he left, they called the cops and game wardens from Fish and Game spotted the pick-up and when they approached Dorner starts shooting and broke into a different cabin.

    But, at this point the news people are only repeating what they hear from others news people who are only partially informed.

    Cops have asked news organizations to pull back and get their helicopters out of the way so Dorner can’t track police maneuvers by watching TV.

    ropelight (396292)

  81. 5:20 PM Beatriz Valenzuela @IEBeatriz
    CORRECTION: Authorities are attempting to fly the wounded deputies out. It’s unclear if they are out of the “kill zone.”ReplyRetweetFavorite

    LAPD Commissioner on CNN: No known hostages in the cabin where Dorner is believed to be holed chhopkins 5:20 PM

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  82. San Bernardino SWAT is on location, LA SWAT on the way.

    ropelight (396292)

  83. LA’s NBC affiliate just showed the cabin with smoke around in and what looked like people trying to enter cabin

    Kman (5576bf)

  84. I’m not at all sure this case with Dorner and especially today’s Big Bear scenario is good for the gun grabber movement. I actually think from this story many people will see that having some of their own firearm protection as a homeowner or when driving makes a good deal more sense than allowing oneself to be a sitting duck when a desperate and crazed stranger comes to call– or while waiting for deputies to arrive. What do you all think? Is the Dorner siruation a net positive or net negative for the gun control lobby?

    elissa (e37e35)

  85. Big Bear and NORK nukes. Bad day for Obama to have to give a political speech. Who’ll be watching? Not me.

    elissa (e37e35)

  86. Is the Dorner siruation a net positive or net negative for the gun control lobby?

    Neither. The gun control lobby isn’t interested in leaving people without guns, especially for home protection.

    Kman (5576bf)

  87. A good guy with gun is the best way to a bad guy with a gun.

    ropelight (396292)

  88. May be right about pickup, if the axle was el broko. But why burn it, just attracts attention?

    Hell, maybe he is dumb as well as crazy.

    Definitely a dead man at this point. He won’t be answering any questions.

    mojo (8096f2)

  89. Dorner’s best move right now would be to surrender and take his chances in court hoping to get an OJ jury.

    ropelight (396292)

  90. Comment by Kman (5576bf) — 2/12/2013 @ 2:29 pm

    One of your better butt-pulls, completely divorced from reality.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  91. Diane Feinstein in 1994, and counting…..

    “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren’t here.”

    Yeah, that sounds like someone advocating home- protection, all right.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  92. Comment by Kman (5576bf) — 2/12/2013 @ 2:29 pm


    SPQR (768505)

  93. Say, insn’t Mrs. Feinstein from California?

    elissa (e37e35)

  94. Neither. The gun control lobby isn’t interested in leaving people without guns, especially for home protection.

    Lol. They just want to pick and choose what you need. No scary looking rifles. No semi-auto. Only certain types of ammo. No cosmetic adjustments.

    JD (b63a52)

  95. I think we’ve all heard the gun control lobby ‘imagine a world without guns’. But good catch, askeptic.

    It’s too bad some have the self awareness to know their position cannot be supported, but instead of changing their position, just pretend it away.

    This was fun to watch.

    Dustin (73fead)

  96. The Chris Dorner fiasco shows just how much nonsense the media and the gun control lobby puts out about how law enforcement is “special”, better trained or screened, and able to “properly” use weapons they’d deny to you and me.

    SPQR (768505)

  97. Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 2/12/2013 @ 2:21 pm

    LAPD does NOT have a “Commissioner”.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  98. The “Legitimate News Media” will inform us of ongoing developments of which we have a need to know in this story.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  99. Norks claim their test was a minaturized device. At Richter 5.1 successful enough.

    Naturally Ogabe thinks its a great time to capitulate.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  100. Naturally Ogabe thinks its a great time to capitulate.

    North Korea wouldn’t pursue their path if appeasers didn’t reward them richly for doing so. We can also see with Libya that giving up an WMD program is a poor strategic move. Sadly, I find that example to be democrats behaving as partisans, and ensuring one of Bush’s diplomatic triumphs is completely denied.

    In the long run, we will see countries behave in a more dangerous manner.

    Dustin (73fead)

  101. Ontario PD has an armored vehicle on location, LAPD resources are standing-by at the San Bernardino airport. LAPD SWAT will wait at the airport for the San Bernardino Sheriff’s office to request assistance.

    ropelight (396292)

  102. What’s the +/- on how long it will take the Saudi’s to test a nuke after the Iranians do?
    Who else in the ME will “feel the need for speed” and get their own arsenal?
    It will be ironic that the Left-Wing of the Progressive Democrat Party will preside over the greatest proliferation of nuclear weaponry, after they spent 50-yrs trying to disarm everyone (unilaterally).

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  103. Yeah, rope, they’re going to wait until they’re called, which means they’ll have to race up the mountain in the fading light of sundown, or worse.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  104. The San Bernardino Sheriff’s Deputies are tough as boiled roosters, they’re more than up to the task of dealing with a puffed-up pretender like Dorner.

    ropelight (396292)

  105. Per Number 61, Dorner was never in combat during military service. He just liked to be photographed while grinning with a weapon.

    He likes to shoot and kill people from ambush. I had predicted Dorner would eventually surrender in order to save his own skin. Until otherwise, I stand by that prediction.

    DN (543479)

  106. One San Bernardino Sheriff’s Deputy has been killed by Dorner and another Deputy wounded. Cabin is fully engulfed in flames, ammo inside is cooking off.

    One shot heard from inside the building. Cops are waiting for the fire to subside before going inside.

    ropelight (396292)

  107. Who set the fire? Police or Dorner? I hope Cabin- owners insurance doesn’t try to weasel out with the domestic terrorist clause.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  108. Cops were using tear gas, lots of tear gas, plus it’s cold in Big Bear Dorner may have truned on the heater. Remember the fire at Waco? That also involved tear gas.

    ropelight (396292)

  109. It looks like he’s been SLA’d.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  110. from Twitter: “KETK Neal Barton: We have confirmation from the Los Angeles Police Department the ex-cop from LA was shot and killed by a local sheriff’s department sniper.”

    SarahW (b0e533)

  111. TV shows the cabin is still burning and the fire department doesn’t appear to be making an effort to fight the fire.

    ropelight (396292)

  112. For those wondering about the mystery of the fire: The fire probably had the same cause as the Waco fire: CS tear gas.

    There are some people who know it is flammable – and what’s more not flammable at high concentrations and not at low but only at medium.

    Then a spark can set it off.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

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