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	<title>Comments on: Cheapest Family Health Insurance That Qualifies Under ObamaCare: $20,000</title>
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		<title>By: Sammy Finkelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sammy Finkelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 21:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/2/2013 @ 11:56 am 

&lt;i&gt; On the medical side, I don’t know what, if any, rules govern the differential pricing seen in the marketplace for providers of healthcare goods and services. &lt;/i&gt;

They negotiate with insurance providers, and the list price is astronomical, but if somebody makes a real fuss they discount it - like from $60,000 to $340. 

For real:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/01/health/insurance-industry-report-faults-high-fees-for-out-of-network-care.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/2/2013 @ 11:56 am </p>
<p><i> On the medical side, I don’t know what, if any, rules govern the differential pricing seen in the marketplace for providers of healthcare goods and services. </i></p>
<p>They negotiate with insurance providers, and the list price is astronomical, but if somebody makes a real fuss they discount it &#8211; like from $60,000 to $340. </p>
<p>For real:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/01/health/insurance-industry-report-faults-high-fees-for-out-of-network-care.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/01/health/insurance-industry-report-faults-high-fees-for-out-of-network-care.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sammy Finkelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sammy Finkelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 21:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not a complete solution, althjough Rush Limbaugh, I think, puts ionto this something dr,. Carson did not say: that this Health Savings Account should applyu to more or  less routine expenses. It&#039;s actually different from what dr. Carson said:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/02/07/dr_carson_s_43_second_solution]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a complete solution, althjough Rush Limbaugh, I think, puts ionto this something dr,. Carson did not say: that this Health Savings Account should applyu to more or  less routine expenses. It&#8217;s actually different from what dr. Carson said:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/02/07/dr_carson_s_43_second_solution" rel="nofollow">http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/02/07/dr_carson_s_43_second_solution</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve57</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 00:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blast from the past. Who said:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mqFbPqVwQc&amp;feature=player_embedded&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Your employer will see premiums fall by as much as 3000% which means he can give you a raise&quot;&lt;/a&gt;

No peeking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blast from the past. Who said:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mqFbPqVwQc&amp;feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Your employer will see premiums fall by as much as 3000% which means he can give you a raise&#8221;</a></p>
<p>No peeking.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve57</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 00:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;82. And boobs. Boobs are cheaper.

Comment by JD (b63a52) — 2/1/2013 @ 9:20 pm
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Especially if you buy in bulk. Just look at the collection MSNBC managed to put together.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>82. And boobs. Boobs are cheaper.</p>
<p>Comment by JD (b63a52) — 2/1/2013 @ 9:20 pm
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<p>Especially if you buy in bulk. Just look at the collection MSNBC managed to put together.</p>
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		<title>By: daleyrocks</title>
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		<dc:creator>daleyrocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;A good illustration, but one difference is that “anybody” can be part of the bootleg alcohol stream; to provide medical care (other than providing bottles of pills without the safeguards of a pharmacist) requires training and an enforceable license.&quot;

 MD in Philly - In the insurance industry it is illegal for insurers to charge different customers different prices for the same product. A group health (employer provided) policy is rated and priced differently than an individually purchased health insurance policy. From an insurance perspective, they are not the same product.

On the medical side, I don&#039;t know what, if any, rules govern the differential pricing seen in the marketplace for providers of healthcare goods and services.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A good illustration, but one difference is that “anybody” can be part of the bootleg alcohol stream; to provide medical care (other than providing bottles of pills without the safeguards of a pharmacist) requires training and an enforceable license.&#8221;</p>
<p> MD in Philly &#8211; In the insurance industry it is illegal for insurers to charge different customers different prices for the same product. A group health (employer provided) policy is rated and priced differently than an individually purchased health insurance policy. From an insurance perspective, they are not the same product.</p>
<p>On the medical side, I don&#8217;t know what, if any, rules govern the differential pricing seen in the marketplace for providers of healthcare goods and services.</p>
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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good comments, MD and elissa.  I hope none of us become dependent on our neighbors for basic necessities -- although I fear we&#039;re all closer to that now, thanks to Obama -- but it&#039;s nice to know we live among people who will help.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comments, MD and elissa.  I hope none of us become dependent on our neighbors for basic necessities &#8212; although I fear we&#8217;re all closer to that now, thanks to Obama &#8212; but it&#8217;s nice to know we live among people who will help.</p>
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		<title>By: elissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>elissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MD--when our close-knit little neighborhood suffered a &quot;once a century&quot; flood a while back most of us were stranded from the outside world for a few days without electricity while sloshing through river water laying sandbags to protect property, trying to keep generators going, checking on each other, sharing food, etc.  A neighbor, a doctor, got someone from his practice to come in as close as possible in a Hummer and he went out to meet it in his hip-waders because he needed to peform a critical surgery.  When he  returned home that night, again via the Hummer shuttle, he brought extra supplies and he came around and gave any of us who wanted/needed one a free tetanous shot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MD&#8211;when our close-knit little neighborhood suffered a &#8220;once a century&#8221; flood a while back most of us were stranded from the outside world for a few days without electricity while sloshing through river water laying sandbags to protect property, trying to keep generators going, checking on each other, sharing food, etc.  A neighbor, a doctor, got someone from his practice to come in as close as possible in a Hummer and he went out to meet it in his hip-waders because he needed to peform a critical surgery.  When he  returned home that night, again via the Hummer shuttle, he brought extra supplies and he came around and gave any of us who wanted/needed one a free tetanous shot.</p>
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		<title>By: elissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>elissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More house calls, maybe?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More house calls, maybe?</p>
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		<title>By: MD in Philly</title>
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		<dc:creator>MD in Philly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As the local radio station says, when Obamacare goes into effect, where will Canadians go for their health care.

Maybe setting up a medical/surgical practice in Costa Rica would be a good idea, the old idea of &quot;getting some fresh air&quot; by the ocean or in the mountains combined with 21st century medicine, at lower cost than in the US anyway.

Lots of Spanish speakers who can go in and out of the country &quot;easily&quot; go to the Dominican republic for breast cosmetic surgery because of the decreased costs.
No, I don&#039;t know if there is any overlap with other &quot;business opportunities&quot; in the DR.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the local radio station says, when Obamacare goes into effect, where will Canadians go for their health care.</p>
<p>Maybe setting up a medical/surgical practice in Costa Rica would be a good idea, the old idea of &#8220;getting some fresh air&#8221; by the ocean or in the mountains combined with 21st century medicine, at lower cost than in the US anyway.</p>
<p>Lots of Spanish speakers who can go in and out of the country &#8220;easily&#8221; go to the Dominican republic for breast cosmetic surgery because of the decreased costs.<br />
No, I don&#8217;t know if there is any overlap with other &#8220;business opportunities&#8221; in the DR.</p>
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		<title>By: MD in Philly</title>
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		<dc:creator>MD in Philly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 18:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Elissa,

A good illustration, but one difference is that &quot;anybody&quot; can be part of the bootleg alcohol stream; to provide medical care (other than providing bottles of pills &lt;i&gt;without&lt;/i&gt; the safeguards of a pharmacist) requires training and an enforceable license.
Pity the first doc/dentist whoever that gets caught running afoul of ObamaCare, their practice location will be behind bars.

While all realize the problems with prohibition, the problems of alcohol abuse result in much misery as well.  Of course, alcohol does not need to be imported from out of the country, and the relative social stigma (or lack thereof) made it more imaginable for the &quot;typical family&quot; to break the law than heroin, cocaine, crystal meth, and to a lesser degree pot.  

But many a spouse or child would have liked alcohol to be outlawed, though they know it is just a wish, not a workable solution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elissa,</p>
<p>A good illustration, but one difference is that &#8220;anybody&#8221; can be part of the bootleg alcohol stream; to provide medical care (other than providing bottles of pills <i>without</i> the safeguards of a pharmacist) requires training and an enforceable license.<br />
Pity the first doc/dentist whoever that gets caught running afoul of ObamaCare, their practice location will be behind bars.</p>
<p>While all realize the problems with prohibition, the problems of alcohol abuse result in much misery as well.  Of course, alcohol does not need to be imported from out of the country, and the relative social stigma (or lack thereof) made it more imaginable for the &#8220;typical family&#8221; to break the law than heroin, cocaine, crystal meth, and to a lesser degree pot.  </p>
<p>But many a spouse or child would have liked alcohol to be outlawed, though they know it is just a wish, not a workable solution.</p>
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