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	<title>Comments on: Obama &#8220;Recess&#8221; Appointments Unconstitutional</title>
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		<title>By: Sammy Finkelman</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2013/01/25/obama-recess-appointments-unconstitutional/comment-page-5/#comment-1158505</link>
		<dc:creator>Sammy Finkelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Historiucally this has very little to do with horse and buggy but just simply that Cpongress was not in session a whole year.

Presidents used to call special sessions of the Senate when they got inaugurated.  

When the coiinstitutiuons was written they didn&#039;t realize what would happen was that the term would bein March 4 but a session not until December. Congress never changed that date for assembling until the 20th amendment did it. 

There was a situation where an election would be held in November then from, December through march 4 the lame duck Congress would meet and new representatives wouldn&#039;t be sworn in for 13 months,. It didn&#039;t happen all years that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historiucally this has very little to do with horse and buggy but just simply that Cpongress was not in session a whole year.</p>
<p>Presidents used to call special sessions of the Senate when they got inaugurated.  </p>
<p>When the coiinstitutiuons was written they didn&#8217;t realize what would happen was that the term would bein March 4 but a session not until December. Congress never changed that date for assembling until the 20th amendment did it. </p>
<p>There was a situation where an election would be held in November then from, December through march 4 the lame duck Congress would meet and new representatives wouldn&#8217;t be sworn in for 13 months,. It didn&#8217;t happen all years that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Sammy Finkelman</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2013/01/25/obama-recess-appointments-unconstitutional/comment-page-5/#comment-1158503</link>
		<dc:creator>Sammy Finkelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by aphrael (402fa3) — 1/25/2013 @ 12:30 pm 

&lt;i&gt; the Senate just refused to go back into session for an extended period, the President would be powerless to fill offices of the United States. &lt;/i&gt;

he&#039;s powerless now if tghey refuse to vote or refuse to confirm, and the filibuster makes it possible for less than a majority of the Senate to block a nomination.

But he can keep calling them back into session. Now it might it might be hard to get a quorum if enough Senators avoided that.
 
The part of the ruling saying you can’t make ‘recess’ appointments during pro forma sessions I’m fine with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by aphrael (402fa3) — 1/25/2013 @ 12:30 pm </p>
<p><i> the Senate just refused to go back into session for an extended period, the President would be powerless to fill offices of the United States. </i></p>
<p>he&#8217;s powerless now if tghey refuse to vote or refuse to confirm, and the filibuster makes it possible for less than a majority of the Senate to block a nomination.</p>
<p>But he can keep calling them back into session. Now it might it might be hard to get a quorum if enough Senators avoided that.</p>
<p>The part of the ruling saying you can’t make ‘recess’ appointments during pro forma sessions I’m fine with.</p>
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		<title>By: Sammy Finkelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sammy Finkelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After 2006 the Senate avoided recessing 

After 2010 the Senmate and the president were of the same party but the House  prevented teh Senate from adjourning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After 2006 the Senate avoided recessing </p>
<p>After 2010 the Senmate and the president were of the same party but the House  prevented teh Senate from adjourning.</p>
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		<title>By: Sammy Finkelman</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2013/01/25/obama-recess-appointments-unconstitutional/comment-page-5/#comment-1158499</link>
		<dc:creator>Sammy Finkelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two judges held that the vacancy must begin duringa recess.

It used to be that confirmations could be done very quickly, but, especially since 1969, now they investigate a person first. Criminal financial and medical background check. 

Condoleeeza Rice told BVob Schieffer that the FBI went back to her neighborhood when she was nominatyed for Secretary of state in 2005. They&#039;d already done a check on her for 2001. A lot of this may not make too much sense.

I think the Senate winds. they can just aboid recessing altogether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two judges held that the vacancy must begin duringa recess.</p>
<p>It used to be that confirmations could be done very quickly, but, especially since 1969, now they investigate a person first. Criminal financial and medical background check. </p>
<p>Condoleeeza Rice told BVob Schieffer that the FBI went back to her neighborhood when she was nominatyed for Secretary of state in 2005. They&#8217;d already done a check on her for 2001. A lot of this may not make too much sense.</p>
<p>I think the Senate winds. they can just aboid recessing altogether.</p>
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		<title>By: askeptic</title>
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		<dc:creator>askeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 03:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last time I checked, the only &quot;control&quot; over the Congress that the President has, is to call them back to Washington for an Emergency Session, when they are not &quot;in session&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last time I checked, the only &#8220;control&#8221; over the Congress that the President has, is to call them back to Washington for an Emergency Session, when they are not &#8220;in session&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: SNuss</title>
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		<dc:creator>SNuss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 02:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand it, one of the defining points was that Obama declared the Senate &quot;out of session&quot;, in spite of the fact that the &quot;pro-forma&quot; sessions are written into the Senate rules. As part of the &quot;separation of powers&quot;, Obama has no legal standing to unilaterally change or ignore them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it, one of the defining points was that Obama declared the Senate &#8220;out of session&#8221;, in spite of the fact that the &#8220;pro-forma&#8221; sessions are written into the Senate rules. As part of the &#8220;separation of powers&#8221;, Obama has no legal standing to unilaterally change or ignore them.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
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		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tanny - apparently it is easier to just ignore it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tanny &#8211; apparently it is easier to just ignore it.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
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		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, Bush Jr. installed John Bolton as UN mbassador as a recess appointment. We should give the executive branch some deference to their choices, even bad ones.

Again, the fundamental difference is the Senate was in recess when Bolton was nominated, and the Senate was not in recess when the appointments in question were made. Big effing deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, Bush Jr. installed John Bolton as UN mbassador as a recess appointment. We should give the executive branch some deference to their choices, even bad ones.</p>
<p>Again, the fundamental difference is the Senate was in recess when Bolton was nominated, and the Senate was not in recess when the appointments in question were made. Big effing deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Tanny O'Haley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tanny O'Haley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;JD – so what is to be gained by saying “the phrase has been misunderstood by courts and the executive and the legislature for 160 years, so we’re going to reinstate the definition that was abandoned five generations ago, and if you don’t like it, go through the process of changing the constitution?”

That’s the part i’m not understanding.

Comment by aphrael (402fa3) — 1/25/2013 @ 12:48 pm&lt;/blockquote&gt;It will restore the true and previously held meaning of the recess clause instead of the changed meaning by judicial fiat. I don&#039;t understand why people who want to change the law just follow the rule of law. There is a process that can be followed, why not follow the process?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>JD – so what is to be gained by saying “the phrase has been misunderstood by courts and the executive and the legislature for 160 years, so we’re going to reinstate the definition that was abandoned five generations ago, and if you don’t like it, go through the process of changing the constitution?”</p>
<p>That’s the part i’m not understanding.</p>
<p>Comment by aphrael (402fa3) — 1/25/2013 @ 12:48 pm</p></blockquote>
<p>It will restore the true and previously held meaning of the recess clause instead of the changed meaning by judicial fiat. I don&#8217;t understand why people who want to change the law just follow the rule of law. There is a process that can be followed, why not follow the process?</p>
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		<title>By: narciso</title>
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		<dc:creator>narciso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 14:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Bolton was put in through a real recess appointment, not the ones they used with Gaston Pierce and Cordray, he had to do the latter because squishes like Murkowski (yes her) and Voinovich, had to have their temper tantrums</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Bolton was put in through a real recess appointment, not the ones they used with Gaston Pierce and Cordray, he had to do the latter because squishes like Murkowski (yes her) and Voinovich, had to have their temper tantrums</p>
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