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Barack Obama: Don’t Use My Children As Pawns in the Gun Control Fight! And Now, Let’s Hear from the Children!

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:43 pm

The NRA recently ran a television ad accusing Barack Obama of believing his kids are more important than other Americans’ kids:

Are the president’s kids more important than yours? Then why is he skeptical about putting armed security in our schools when his kids are protected by armed guards at their school? Mr. Obama demands the wealthy pay their fair share of taxes, but he’s just another elitist hypocrite when it comes to a fair share of security.

The ad’s claim appears to be wrong; Sidwell Friends, the elite school Obama’s kids attend, has security guards, but they are not armed. The error seems to trace back to this piece.

Yet the NRA is right on target when it asks: “Are the president’s kids more important than yours?” Here’s why.

Start with the reaction to the NRA ad from Jay Carney:

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney excoriated the National Rifle Association Wednesday for a TV ad released by the group that called President Obama an “elitist hypocrite” because his daughters have armed protection at school.

“Most Americans agree that a president’s children should not be used as pawns in a political fight,” Carney said in a statement.

Note that Carney didn’t say children should not be used as pawns in a political fight. He said “a president’s children” should not.

Because, you see, the White House is all good with using other people’s children as pawns in a political fight:

“Ah, but those children volunteered to be pawns, er, that is, to speak their minds,” I can hear our liberal friends saying.

Well, the kids at Sandy Hook didn’t volunteer — and they are the biggest pawns of all in this political fight. “The RNC is officially on the side of more dead children,” remember?

Barack Obama doesn’t think his kids should be used as pawns in a political fight. But he’s fine and dandy using other people’s. Alive, dead, it doesn’t really matter: he’ll find ways to use both kinds! It’s all about not letting the crisis go to waste.

So. “Are the president’s kids more important than yours?” You tell me.


  1. Words fail.

    Comment by Patterico (8b3905) — 1/17/2013 @ 9:43 pm

  2. He disgusts me.

    Comment by JD (b63a52) — 1/17/2013 @ 9:47 pm

  3. So. “Are the president’s kids more important than yours?” You tell me.


    And Teh One and Mattie Ygelsias can snort my taint.

    Comment by JD (b63a52) — 1/17/2013 @ 9:49 pm

  4. hitler loves the little children all the children of the whirl red n yeller black n white they are precious in His sight hitler loves the little children of the whirl

    Comment by happyfeet (ce327d) — 1/17/2013 @ 9:51 pm

  5. snort my taint

    That Popehat phrase will go down in history.

    Comment by Patterico (8b3905) — 1/17/2013 @ 9:51 pm

  6. This is the same Sidwell friends school, he foreclosed opportunities for inner city students to participate through the choice program, the rule is as always the elite have special privileges, the peasants can go hang, Kessler probably sent his kids to either Sidwell or St. Albans,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 1/17/2013 @ 9:53 pm

  7. Sidwell may not have armed guards, but is anyone suggesting that there is no Secret Service presence there? I thought so. Poor Malia and Sasha, they should be in a Gun-Free zone so that they can be safe.

    Comment by Gazzer (4424a0) — 1/17/2013 @ 9:58 pm

  8. True enough, Gazzer, but the Secret Service presence was not the point of the NRA ad. The NRA believed (because they relied on that Sidwell Friends had armed security guards, and that was a commentary on the issue of armed guards generally.

    Comment by Patterico (8b3905) — 1/17/2013 @ 10:00 pm

  9. The argument that Sasha and Malia have Secret Service protection will not sway many Americans, because Americans (correctly) perceive that Secret Service personnel guarding the President are more desirable than random armed people (or even standard issue trained armed guards). That someone might want the former around their kids, if they could get them, does not necessarily mean they want the latter.

    Comment by Patterico (8b3905) — 1/17/2013 @ 10:02 pm

  10. the argument is that Sidwell Friends has armed guards that will KILL you if you get close to that school with so much as a bb gun

    and they had a massive arsenal of killpower well before the sascha and the meliah showed up

    Comment by happyfeet (ce327d) — 1/17/2013 @ 10:04 pm

  11. No, that isn’t the argument, you want to guess how many of these, including Yglesias and Vanderbilt’s
    alma mater Dalton are similarly equipped, while the peasants deserve no such protection;

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 1/17/2013 @ 10:10 pm

  12. Did Obama have any Mexican kids up there whose parents were killed by guns from Fast & Furious?

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 1/17/2013 @ 10:11 pm

  13. The ancient sage Mon Calamari said “It’s a trap.”

    I can’t escape that feeling. For some reason, I think another ancient sage on the airwaves is trying to send the same signal.

    Comment by Ag80 (b2c81f) — 1/17/2013 @ 10:16 pm

  14. I truly did not think that it was even possible for this administration to tear the country apart any more than it had already achieved through fomenting and exploiting racial tensions on absolutely everything, accompanied by the constant drumbeat of class warfare.

    I may have misjudged. The Obama administration’s gun control freakout may just be able to exceed past excesses in nation un-building.

    Not good.

    Comment by elissa (f0ffcc) — 1/17/2013 @ 10:17 pm

  15. you’d have to believe that the parents what send their kids to sidwell, who do so knowing full well that the presence of the sascha and the meliah makes the school a target, are sanguine about the idea that their kids are undefended save for secret service people whose responsibilities extend no further than protecting the sascha and the meliah

    they would have to be idiot morons to entrust their kids to sidwell under those circumstances

    the people who send their kids to sidewell may very well be america-hating fascists, but what they are not is stupid

    Comment by happyfeet (ce327d) — 1/17/2013 @ 10:17 pm

  16. they eat activia and play sudoku and never fall for timeshare scams

    Comment by happyfeet (ce327d) — 1/17/2013 @ 10:19 pm

  17. I am still not happy with the notion that the Prez, his kids, Nancy Pelosi, Rosie O’Donnell, Mikey Bloomberg et al are deserving of armed guards when we, and our kids, are not. Remember, when Gabby got shot, there was a lot of talk of there being gun-free zones around politicians. As if they are more worthy than we.
    Barry should lead the way and declare the WH a gun free zone, so that he may be safe and be a beacon and lead the way…( I don’t need the /sarc thingy, do I?)

    Comment by Gazzer (4424a0) — 1/17/2013 @ 10:20 pm

  18. I have been keeping an eye on my gun. It hasn’t moved for more than a year.

    Well, except for that time when my wife needed to clean the closet.

    I will keep you updated. If it moves again.

    Comment by Ag80 (b2c81f) — 1/17/2013 @ 10:25 pm

  19. if your gun comes out of the closet you should still love it unconditionally

    I know you know that but it still should be said I think

    Comment by happyfeet (ce327d) — 1/17/2013 @ 10:26 pm

  20. I’m sorry, happy, but if my gun comes out of the closet, I will shoot it with itself and let Piers Morgan sort it out.

    Ha ha, just kidding. I don’t care if my gun is gay.

    And that last sentence, my friends, is something you only get to see on Patterico’s Pontifications.

    Please hit the tip jar. For the children.

    Comment by Ag80 (b2c81f) — 1/17/2013 @ 10:32 pm

  21. fair enough Mr. 80

    Comment by happyfeet (ce327d) — 1/17/2013 @ 10:34 pm

  22. My Glock is kind of gay. NTTAWWT

    Comment by JD (b63a52) — 1/17/2013 @ 10:38 pm

  23. maybe your glock could help anderson get over his lance armstrong fixation

    Comment by happyfeet (ce327d) — 1/17/2013 @ 10:40 pm

  24. I think the is only one cure for what Armstrong has in mind.

    Comment by JD (b63a52) — 1/17/2013 @ 10:47 pm

  25. Anyone who is still sending their kids to public schools should be sent to a mental hospital. These schools have been failing to teach kids right from left. By the age of 13 kids should be able to take a shotgun apart and put it back together. Not going to learn that in obama school. Home school you idiots.

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 1/17/2013 @ 10:52 pm

  26. All Glocks are kind of gay.

    That’s why God made Colt Pythons.

    Not that there is anything wrong with a gay Glock what with a 1,230 feet per second muzzle velocity using a 9 mm round.

    They seem like nice guns that I wouldn’t mind in my neighborhood even if Anderson Cooper lived next door.

    Comment by Ag80 (b2c81f) — 1/17/2013 @ 10:54 pm

  27. Brian Terry would probably have something to say to kids about protecting themselves. Make sure you have real bullets in your gun. obama should be tried for murder. Fast and Furious is still unknown to the media.

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 1/17/2013 @ 11:00 pm

  28. Okay, folks. Give me some suggestions. I have …
    Remington Model 700 African Plains
    Mossberg 500 12g pistol grip
    Glock 19
    I have been looking at M1911 Kimber and Sig .45ACP and Glock G20 10m

    Comment by JD (b63a52) — 1/17/2013 @ 11:17 pm

  29. pick the shiny one

    or the g19

    Comment by EPWJ (d84fb0) — 1/17/2013 @ 11:26 pm

  30. Fugghedaboud the .45 — go for the .357 Sig, J.D.!

    Comment by J.P. (bd0246) — 1/17/2013 @ 11:48 pm

  31. Matt Yglesias disgusts me.

    Comment by MayBee (b27ea0) — 1/18/2013 @ 12:01 am

  32. “Ah, but those children volunteered to … speak their minds,” I can hear our liberal friends saying.

    Pretty sure that children cannot consent.

    Comment by Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 1/18/2013 @ 12:19 am

  33. Is there a website somewhere that keeps an updated list of crazy shooters stopped by armed people?

    Comment by Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 1/18/2013 @ 12:23 am

  34. 28. JD – Not a bad choice in that grouping. I prefer my Remington model 31 12 gauge. Seeing the look of someones eyes when they hear a shell pumped into the chamber of my model 31 is telling.

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 1/18/2013 @ 2:13 am

  35. Godless sociopathic Marxists like Barack Obama–do not care about “the children”; Barack Obama voted multiple times as a US senator to murder “the children”; Barack Obama’s “care” for “the children” like the Godless Marxist he is–is the care to murder more and more of them.

    Comment by C.R. (c0f191) — 1/18/2013 @ 2:39 am

  36. Col. – I miss your 3 lines of thought.

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 1/18/2013 @ 3:18 am

  37. My name is Troy McClure, and you know from ‘Crazy Birther Tea Party’ and other classics,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 1/18/2013 @ 5:56 am

  38. Perhaps the Sidwell guards recently decided to disarm (probably because the Secret Service objected to their being armed.)

    JD — M1911 Kimber is what I’d add from that list, although a SIG is always tempting.

    Comment by htom (412a17) — 1/18/2013 @ 6:06 am

  39. I have been following the liberal outrage over the NRA ad, and all I can say is, “Sauce for the goose …”.

    As far as the U.S. being the most heavily armed in the world on a per capita basis if you count privately owned weapons, that is true but misleading. Many of those guns are antiques and collector’s items. If you count access to weapons, first is Switzerland, second is Finland, third is Israel. Under that standard, the U. S. is fourth or fifth.

    Comment by Jay Stevens (d3fdc7) — 1/18/2013 @ 6:08 am

  40. Comment by mg (31009b) — 1/17/2013 @ 10:52 pm

    Anyone who is still sending their kids to public schools should be sent to a mental hospital.

    You want people who send their children to a public school to forever lose the right to own a gun?

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (03b22d) — 1/18/2013 @ 6:10 am

  41. htom – that is the way I am leaning, like the Kimber a touch better than the Sig. I am torn, because I love my 19, but the 10mm seems so much more limited than the 1911

    Comment by JD (b63a52) — 1/18/2013 @ 6:27 am

  42. The ad’s claim appears to be wrong;

    Ahhhh. Yeah… The children of the president aren’t protected by an ARMY of SS men with guns.

    I’m SURE that’s the case. :-/

    Comment by IGotBupkis, Legally Defined Cyberbully in All 57 States and some Canadian provinces (98ae1f) — 1/18/2013 @ 6:32 am

  43. Along the same lines, this, by the way, is going around now, too.

    Probably need to be on Facebook to pull that up.

    Comment by IGotBupkis, Legally Defined Cyberbully in All 57 States and some Canadian provinces (98ae1f) — 1/18/2013 @ 6:35 am

  44. Patterico, I think you’re wrong on this one.

    1. There is a difference between using ‘the children’ as a prop or reason to make a policy change and using specific, named, children. Not to say using school kids as a prop is okay. But it’s a different level of foul, and this is hardly the first time a pol has made a speech or announcement in front of a class of kids.

    2. The Obama kids didn’t sign up to be attacked and I’d rather not see the presidential candidate pool restricted to those people who don’t have children or are willing to let them be fair game in presidential politics. The Bush twin’s under age drink should never have been a punch line on leno.

    3. The basic logic of this is flawed anyway. The level of threat against the president’s kids is not the same level of threat as against mine. The president’s life isn’t worth any more than mine or yours. But I don’t think you or I need the same body guard detail that he does.

    Comment by time123 (bec298) — 1/18/2013 @ 7:14 am

  45. They can accuse an organization founded by Union officers, of furthering slavery, of being tantamount to Nazis and Jim Crow, our nomenklatura

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 1/18/2013 @ 7:29 am

  46. Nobody attacked the Obama kids.

    Comment by JD (b63a52) — 1/18/2013 @ 7:31 am

  47. Obama used specific named children when he had them read their letters, with their names on the screen, in his campaign event.

    Comment by JD (b63a52) — 1/18/2013 @ 7:32 am

  48. Time-

    1) I don’t really agree there’s much of a difference between flying kids in to Washington because they’ve written about a policy and using specific, named children

    2) Obama singed up to be president and regularly uses his daughters and his fatherhood in speeches and remarks. He uses them in Presidential politics. Aside from pulling them up on the stage after speeches, politicians shouldn’t use their kids if thy don’t want them used

    3) your kids may not be under threat, but there are children who are. Kids who have abusive parents they’ve been tsken from or who attend violent schools. Imagine sending your kids to a gang-ridden Chicago school.

    Comment by MayBee (b27ea0) — 1/18/2013 @ 7:35 am

  49. i just don’t think you can honestly say that the sascha and meliah were “attacked” in the ad

    I know propaganda slut Carol Costello keeps saying that, but she’s an idiot

    Comment by happyfeet (ce327d) — 1/18/2013 @ 7:39 am

  50. It’s a precondition for employment, over there, pikachu,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 1/18/2013 @ 7:42 am

  51. 40. Sammy – No. If I had kids today, they would be home schooled. Allowing kids to go to public schools is child abuse. Not only are they in danger of the mentally ill, the propaganda they teach is appalling.

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 1/18/2013 @ 8:04 am

  52. Unbelievably creepy. I couldn’t watch the whole thing.

    Now I know why liberals that I know just lose it when someone offers an opposition opinion: they know they’re wrong and can’t admit it to themselves, much less to anyone else.

    Comment by Patricia (be0117) — 1/18/2013 @ 8:21 am

  53. R.I.P. Pauline Friedman Phillips, aka Abigail Van Buren,
    aka ‘Dear Abby’

    Comment by Icy (e3cdf3) — 1/18/2013 @ 8:23 am

  54. Comment by time123 (bec298) — 1/18/2013 @ 7:14 am

    – Color me completely unsurprised that you have completely missed the point . . . again.

    Comment by Icy (e3cdf3) — 1/18/2013 @ 8:28 am

  55. @48, Obama did sign up to be president. But his daughters didn’t sign up for anything. They should be left out of it. Saying that “He should leave his family / fatherhood out his speeches if he doesn’t want to have them turned into pawns” ignores the fact that as separate people they have some rights and dignities of their own and treats them as extensions of him.

    Comment by time123 (bec298) — 1/18/2013 @ 8:55 am

  56. Nobody attacked his children.

    Comment by JD (d420da) — 1/18/2013 @ 8:59 am

  57. 1. 3) your kids may not be under threat, but there are children who are. Kids who have abusive parents they’ve been tsken from or who attend violent schools. Imagine sending your kids to a gang-ridden Chicago school.
    Right. I agree. A high crime school will have different security needs from a small religious school located in a low crime area. But I think it’s pretty non-controversial to say that the president and his family have a higher than ‘average’ level of threat directed at them.

    Comment by time123 (bec298) — 1/18/2013 @ 8:59 am

  58. The argument from the left is that they are worth more. Nobody disputes that there is the potential for more threats against them. Noting that leftists would deny to others what they would have for their own children is not a facking attack on the kids.

    Comment by JD (d420da) — 1/18/2013 @ 9:08 am

  59. And next to his putter he could give a rip about his little sasquatches.

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 1/18/2013 @ 9:09 am

  60. JD, Kimber used to make a great pistol. Used to. Their QC is crap these days, there are other makers in the same price range making better M1911 pistols.

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 1/18/2013 @ 9:32 am

  61. time- what was mentioned in the NRA ad was a choice made by Obama, not by his daughters.

    As for the second post, I haven’t any idea why ” the average” matters. We are talking about a policy the NRA advocates that would not only apply only to your kids or mine.
    It would be a option for schools who think there is value it.

    Comment by MayBee (b27ea0) — 1/18/2013 @ 9:38 am

  62. Amen, JD. But isn’t that the way with progressives? They want rules to apply to other people, but always feel they have a good reason for not following them themselves.

    The private planes? We need them! You people who don’t need them are helping with global warming.
    Our SUVs? We need them! You other people should drive small cars with good mpg

    Our guns? We need them! There are crazy people out there. You other people don’t need them, we consider you the crazy people!

    Comment by MayBee (b27ea0) — 1/18/2013 @ 9:43 am

  63. My, my Lotta hate in here. That usually means the prez is doing something right.

    And many of us, as you are learning, would be just fine with removing assault weapons and over-sized mags/clips from “cold dead hands.” Whatever it takes.
    Solid social science shows that in developed nations more guns means more homicides; debate or discussion based on anecdotes don’t fly. Other developed nations have roughly the same rate of homicides by knives and clubs etc. but way, way fewer by guns with serious gun control. Period.
    Keep screaming. Keep crying.

    Comment by Larry Reilly (4e247c) — 1/18/2013 @ 9:54 am

  64. And many of us, as you are learning, would be just fine with removing assault weapons and over-sized mags/clips from “cold dead hands.”

    Come and take mine, Larry, if you dare.

    ther developed nations have roughly the same rate of homicides by knives and clubs etc. but way, way fewer by guns with serious gun control. Period.

    Maybe we can be just like Great Britain and have a rate of violent crimes that’s 4x our current rate! Wouldn’t that be great?

    Comment by Chuck Bartowski (11fb31) — 1/18/2013 @ 9:57 am

  65. Solid social science ……….

    There, there, Larry, bless your heart, aren’t you just precious? Your JournoLista hatred is oozing from your pores again.

    Comment by JD (d420da) — 1/18/2013 @ 10:02 am

  66. Larry Reilly makes up stuff again. “Solid social science”, an oxymoron but regardless, another falsehood by Reilly King of Falsehoods.

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 1/18/2013 @ 10:06 am

  67. SPQR -suggestions?

    MayBee – what is good for me is not for thee seems to be their motto.

    Chuck – but that is different.

    Comment by JD (d420da) — 1/18/2013 @ 10:06 am

  68. Maybe, All I’m saying is that the NRA (or anyone else on whatever topic) should find a way to make their point that doesn’t involve a politician’s children. Just leave them out of it. It’s not necessary to make them *specifically* part of the conversation, so don’t. They’re kids. Leave them alone.

    also, average refered to the likelihood of being the target of violence. FWIW I don’t disagree with armed guards where they’d be useful.

    Comment by time123 (bec298) — 1/18/2013 @ 10:14 am

  69. Time123- I think politicians should make their point without invoking their children or someone else’s children.

    We agree on the second point.

    Comment by MayBee (b27ea0) — 1/18/2013 @ 10:20 am

  70. Nobody attacked their children.

    Comment by JD (d420da) — 1/18/2013 @ 10:35 am

  71. No, his children were not attacked.

    Comment by MayBee (b27ea0) — 1/18/2013 @ 10:39 am

  72. the newtown children were attacked though if anyone needs a useful point of reference

    Comment by happyfeet (4bf7c2) — 1/18/2013 @ 10:44 am

  73. I direct this solely to Larry Reilly-

    How do you define assault weapon, or assault style weapon, Larry? To you, are they different or the same as an assault rifle? Is that different or the same as a deer rifle? What do you know about scopes? Do you know which guns/weapons are already regulated and which are not? Do you know what a magazine or clip or cartridge is? What is an “oversized” one? Do you know how many “bullets” various popular handguns (which I assume you would not include in the “assault” category) hold?. Do you know what weapon was used at the Connecticut school?

    I am faaaar from an expert on guns and could not hold my own very long in a discussion with many of the true experts who comment here– most of whom I certainly do not consider to be “gun nuts”.

    That said, even I recognize that the level of ignorance and misinformation and fuzzy definition with respect to the “studies” and the uses and technical aspects of various weaponry makes much of the language and talking points coming from the gun-control proponents look both bogus and nuts, not to mention dishonest. You guys should at least up your game and try to know what you’re talking about if you expect to be heard about this.

    Comment by elissa (b61397) — 1/18/2013 @ 10:46 am

  74. Elissa – all they need to know is they are doing it for the children. They wear their ignorance like a badge.

    Comment by JD (d420da) — 1/18/2013 @ 10:54 am

  75. “Solid social science”

    Larry – The above phrase is an oxymoron and you know it.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 1/18/2013 @ 11:08 am

  76. Daley – little precious Larry knows a thing or two about morons. And hatred. Good little JournoLista, bless his little heart.

    Comment by JD (b63a52) — 1/18/2013 @ 11:31 am

  77. All Glocks are kind of gay.

    Speaking of gay, weren’t you the poster who seemed resentful the other day when I noted that Obama probably (or likely) is bisexual? That thread (about Obama throwing a baseball) died out rather quickly. But FWIW, my comment was based on at least two eyewitness accounts — among other accounts — through the years (a woman retrieving her coat following a social gathering at a private residence, and a stranger walking by a closed-off room at a convention hall), that while so-called hearsay, they have such a ring of legitimacy about them (ie, too detailed to write off), I wouldn’t bet against their accuracy.

    But what does that have to do with the topic of this thread? Well, if Obama can be as shameless and brazen when it comes to the controversy of guns and children, he sure as hell can be no less pathetic when it comes to most matters in general, both personal and public. Moreover, leftists tend to act and think like screwballs in so many ways, in so many instances, and Obama is very much of the left.

    Comment by Mark (e66007) — 1/18/2013 @ 11:42 am

  78. guns are super popular cause they’re just one of those commonsense household items people like to have handy

    Comment by happyfeet (4bf7c2) — 1/18/2013 @ 11:43 am

  79. 78. Gotta grant that keeping one out of sight and mind of the wife, daughter, in-laws, Choombaracka and his DHS Hermaphrodite kinda renders it unavailable on direct, surreptitious assault.

    I need a dog. A big one.

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 1/18/2013 @ 11:58 am

  80. Don’t be fooled. I work across the street from Sidwell Friends and when the girls are in school you can tell, because there’s a secret service truck or car on every side of the block. One of them in the back even looked like it has this truck-mounted popup minigun:

    ALL of the Obama’s are well-protected by many, many guns at all times.

    Comment by wannabe (f68eb9) — 1/18/2013 @ 12:00 pm

  81. If a magazine is “over-sized” how ill it fit in the weapon?

    Comment by Gazzer (4424a0) — 1/18/2013 @ 12:16 pm

  82. 80. That little peashooter might have been useful on the roof of the Benghazi Annex. That SUV can’t possibly feed more than a minute B4 MT?

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 1/18/2013 @ 12:27 pm

  83. JD, its really hard to make suggestions on firearms right now. The panic has made it difficult to find any particular models, and difficult to find at anything approximating a reasonable price.

    It also depends on whether you want a full Government sized, a Commander sized or god-forbid a Officer’s sized one.

    But if I found a Wilson, a Les Baer, an Ed Brown, or one of the higher end Springfield Armory Custom shop guns and had the money, I’d snap it up.

    For more of a production gun, the Springfield Armory mid-priced lines are good.

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 1/18/2013 @ 12:45 pm

  84. Mid range Rock Island m1911a1′s are available. I like mine. Uses all standard Colt Government parts. I put a 14 lb recoil spring in mine to match the ammunition I shoot.

    Comment by PCD (1d8b6d) — 1/18/2013 @ 12:58 pm

  85. mine’s not super-duper-handy either plus I don’t have any of those bullet thingies

    Comment by happyfeet (4bf7c2) — 1/18/2013 @ 1:01 pm

  86. PCD, I don’t consider Rock Island M1911′s as “midrange” … they are not a bad value priced M1911 but that’s it.

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 1/18/2013 @ 1:04 pm

  87. Why would you get an Officers model?!?!

    Comment by JD (d420da) — 1/18/2013 @ 1:21 pm

  88. JD — the small size. Whine about the accuracy all you want, in the typical self-defense shooting it’s good enough. They have a sting the bigger ones don’t, and with a weak grip may be a little more likely to stovepipe, but both of those are true of any smaller firearm.

    Comment by htom (412a17) — 1/18/2013 @ 1:30 pm

  89. “guns are super popular cause they’re just one of those commonsense household items people like to have handy”

    Mr. Feets – They are one of things you don’t want to find yourself suddenly without late at night or on a weekend when all the stores are closed and your local mini-mart does not stock them and 16 oz. can of sammin is just not an adequate substitute in most instances so being prepared in advance is usually a good thing in this third world banana republic what our greasy butt empty suit prezident has created out of America, but that’s just my opinion and others may think differently and they are entitled to their opinions for whatever they are worth.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 1/18/2013 @ 2:22 pm

  90. Guns also provide fresh lean meat thats tasty.

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 1/18/2013 @ 2:37 pm

  91. JD/htom – the problem with the Officer’s model and other M1911 clones with less than 4″ barrels is that they often are just too finicky about ammo or don’t work much at all. Stay away from them. Commander size or larger.

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 1/18/2013 @ 2:46 pm

  92. Mr. daley a trusty flintlock and a trusty steed will take you far in these latter days of america

    hey you gonna finish that sammin?

    Comment by happyfeet (4bf7c2) — 1/18/2013 @ 2:52 pm

  93. Daley, a gentle parody of Mr. Feet? If so, well done. And Mr. Feet remember imitation is the sincerest form of blah blah whatevs.

    Comment by Birdbath (716828) — 1/18/2013 @ 3:10 pm

  94. it’s friday afternoon Mr. Birdbath

    life is good

    Comment by happyfeet (4bf7c2) — 1/18/2013 @ 3:15 pm

  95. Mark sure loves thinking about Gay Obama.

    Comment by Leviticus (17b7a5) — 1/18/2013 @ 3:26 pm

  96. Michelle Malkin wants me to boycott Jackie Chan and Psy and suddenly i feel overwhelmed like a wee mexican boy what’s been blindfolded and spun around and around and around and now I have to hit the spider-man pinata but i don’t know where the damn pinata is and everyone is yelling and i just wanna go home

    Comment by happyfeet (4bf7c2) — 1/18/2013 @ 3:38 pm

  97. ‘So. “Are the president’s kids more important than yours?”’

    Yeah, but that’s because my kids are grown men, and his kids are little girls.

    Comment by Dave Surls (46b08c) — 1/18/2013 @ 3:40 pm

  98. SPQR – 5″ is what I want.

    Comment by JD (b63a52) — 1/18/2013 @ 3:42 pm

  99. “And many of us, as you are learning, would be just fine with removing assault weapons and over-sized mags/clips from “cold dead hands.” Whatever it takes.”

    Ha! Bring it on, dickhead. Just don’t start moaning and crying if you happen to wind up with a 7.62mm hole in the middle of your forehead.

    Comment by Dave Surls (46b08c) — 1/18/2013 @ 3:47 pm

  100. Well after Rush Hour 3, he jumped the Megaolodon, also remaking the Karate Kid in China, ‘winning the future’?

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 1/18/2013 @ 3:49 pm

  101. These spectacles beg for a mocking parody!

    I’ll get my 9 year old grand daughter who plans to use “making bullets” as her talent in the Miss Alabama contest. She’ll take out her Browning SA22, pop a row of 10 coke bottles in as many seconds, look into the camera and say, “Thanks Mr President, but forget about armed guards. Let me take my own gun to school.”

    Her fall back is ballet.

    Comment by Arch (0baa7b) — 1/18/2013 @ 3:58 pm

  102. could you paint me a birmingham one with a gun in everybody’s hand

    a little school on the edge of town where angsty killboys are never found

    Comment by happyfeet (4bf7c2) — 1/18/2013 @ 4:55 pm

  103. JD.. I second SPQR on the 1911s. I have 4, 3 full size and one Commander. The Commander (Colt 9mm) is a bit finicky on ammo, hardball is dependable iffy w/ HP. Full size are 2 Colts and a Springfield, they happily eat whats feed to them. Don’t discount a large dbl action S&W or Ruger Redhawk though

    Comment by Angelo (d9f869) — 1/18/2013 @ 5:24 pm

  104. 103. Don’t discount a large dbl action S&W or Ruger Redhawk though

    Comment by Angelo (d9f869) — 1/18/2013 @ 5:24 pm

    I have to admit I prefer the J-frame Smith to the large frame dbl action revolvers. A three inch trailmaster.

    But Ruger Redhawk Alaskan, baby! When .357 Mag just isn’t enough.

    Comment by Steve57 (4c041b) — 1/18/2013 @ 5:33 pm

  105. That’d be Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan.

    Comment by Steve57 (4c041b) — 1/18/2013 @ 5:37 pm

  106. When I was a teenager I once helped out at a church rummage sale. The ladies in charge asked me to go through the clothes racks, straighten out all the hangers, try to keep the clothes arranged by size, and make sure none of the mens’ clothes had sneaked over into the womens’ section. “Sure”, I said, “I can do that.”

    A short while later I was working in, and arranging the mens’ outerwear rack. As a rather small person I thought one of the trench coats seemed awfully heavy and when I pulled it all the way out I noticed one of the pockets was bulging. That was cuz there was a pistol in there. And it was clearly a real one. I took it over to the minister who turned green and took it from me. I can only assume that someone’s missus donated the back-of-the-closet-no-longer-worn old coat that happened to be the hiding place for the mister’s handgun. Oops.

    I never did find out if there was a resolution or if there was even an attempt to track down the owner. I do know that there was no lost and found announcement about said gun in the next Sunday’s bulletin–because I looked.

    Comment by elissa (b61397) — 1/18/2013 @ 6:30 pm

  107. “That was cuz there was a pistol in there.”

    elissa – Buy a coat get a pistol free sale! You can find some amazing bargains at church sales even today.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 1/18/2013 @ 7:05 pm

  108. If you are going to carry concealed a Glock is a good gun to have. When (not if) a cop tells you to take the gun out and drop it, at least it will at least be a Glock and not a, you know, real gun.

    Comment by roy in nipomo (160066) — 1/18/2013 @ 7:14 pm

  109. Mark sure loves thinking about Gay Obama.

    Yep, because I have a theory that characteristics similar to the ones described below can be extended to people’s ideological biases and how those correlate to other aspects of a person. IOW, leftist traits are innate too (and I’ll call them an innate defect), and a high percentage of homosexuals — far more than 30% — are of the left. I don’t think that’s a coincidence., January 18:

    In searching for causes of pedophilia, researchers have largely dismissed the popular belief that abuse in childhood plays an important role. Studies show that few victims grow up to be abusers, and only about a third of offenders say they were molested.

    Scientists at the Toronto center have uncovered a series of associations that suggest pedophilia has biological roots. Among the most compelling findings is that 30% of pedophiles are left-handed or ambidextrous, triple the general rate. Because hand dominance is established through some combination of genetics and the environment of the womb, scientists see that association as a powerful indicator that something is different about pedophiles at birth.

    Researchers have also determined that pedophiles are nearly an inch shorter on average than non-pedophiles and lag behind the average IQ by 10 points — discoveries that are consistent with developmental problems, whether before birth or in childhood.

    In a 2008 study, Cantor’s team conducted MRI brain scans on 65 pedophiles. Compared with men with criminal histories but no sex offenses, they had less white matter, the connective circuitry of the brain.

    More evidence of brain involvement comes from scattered examples of men with brain tumors or neurological diseases affecting inhibition.

    Comment by Mark (e66007) — 1/18/2013 @ 8:58 pm

  110. ==a high percentage of homosexuals — far more than 30% — are of the left. I don’t think that’s a coincidence==

    Mark- I have not spent the hours of time analyzing that you clearly have, but the homosexuals I know from work and quite frequently socialize with would tell you that they are “of the left” because they firmly believe people “of the right” hate or at least disrespect them.

    So I don’t know which came first–the chicken or the egg.

    Comment by elissa (b61397) — 1/18/2013 @ 10:29 pm

  111. The rational point can be made that the President’s children are at greater risk of kidnapping that the average child and hence protecting them is more important, but that does not mean that the president’s children are more important than mine or yours.
    The point is that public policy is being driven by emotion with the logical analysis of 8-10 year olds. There is good reason why the world is not run by 8-10 year olds.

    Apparently some of the delusional crowd are saying that Sandy Hook didn’t even happen, that it was all a hoax to give the govt a reason to do a gun grab…

    Glenn Beck has been persistent in making a rational plea. If they come for our guns, let’s all do the MLK Jr. thing and say, “No, take me to jail”, in confidence that the nation is not yet so far gone that when forced to lock up millions of otherwise law abiding citizens for (once legal) firearms possession, the nation will come to its senses (enough, any way).

    I’ve read where in the past the NRA was actually active in helping both black and white southerners learn to handle firearms to defend against the KKK. Somehow I doubt the NRA is getting much credit for that.

    Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 1/19/2013 @ 6:52 am

  112. So I don’t know which came first–the chicken or the egg.

    I’d really like to see researchers study that. I notice they correlate so many other idiosyncrasies of humans with their sexuality, such as left- or right-handedness, the swirl of one’s hair, the size of sections of the human brain, height, etc. I’m not sure if any of those characteristics are as overwhelmingly associated with such a large portion of the GLBT populace as gut biases of liberalism or leftism. And, yes, there are some conservative homosexuals, but based on surveys, perhaps they number around only 10 to 15 percent. And who knows how many of those are not too ideologically different from a so-called “conservative” like Andrew Sullivan.

    the President’s children are at greater risk of kidnapping that the average child and hence protecting them is more important

    And, of course, his occupation as Illinois senator was the reason that he and his wife sent their two daughters to special schools in Chicago. Can’t have them mixing with and endangered by the hoi polloi in the typical urban public school. Can’t have them hanging around kids who’d look-like-his-son-if-he-had-a-son.

    Comment by Mark (e66007) — 1/19/2013 @ 7:40 am

  113. Elissa – mark needs to be able to divide people up by characteristics. It is a thing.

    People of the right don’t hate them. Some do. And some from the left do as well. Ironic that a buzzfeed editor is in tepid water for telling GOProud to suck a dlck for having the temerity to have a different opinion than buzzfeed.

    Comment by JD (b63a52) — 1/19/2013 @ 8:17 am

  114. Comment by Mark (e66007) — 1/19/2013 @ 7:40 am

    Mark, “we win” by simply sticking with a statement of clear fact and reason. If people wish to listen to manipulation and distortion instead of truth I can’t help that, but at the end of the day I can know that I was intellectually honest and spoke the truth. Whatever the Obama’s did in Chicago and why is not the current point (though it is a valid point in and of itself). And whether or not the children of this or any president is at greater risk of kidnapping than the “typical” child shouldn’t be much of an argument either. But while we may give this part of the argument up to Ygelsias and others, we do not give up the argument that, “No, his children are not ‘more important’ than ours”.

    Clarity simply illuminates the irrationality of their positions. They would like to claim to be for equality, but in reality they like their oligarchy, just as long as it is their oligarchy.

    Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 1/19/2013 @ 8:19 am

  115. The more I’ve met gay folks the more I’ve realized Elissa is exactly right. The perception out there is that conservatives loathe homosexuals. That’s what the media tells you.

    Pat Robertson and Michael Savage are held up to the low infos as the definition of the right. Do gays hear that Andrew Breitbart was a champion for their inclusion? Nope.

    Do the low infos learn that the left uses gayness as a derogatory expression all the time? Nope.

    That’s why the rare breaks in the filter, for example Paul Ryan’s VP debate, are precious to the cause, and also why the left tries to plug those breaks (for example with a biased moderator).

    I’ve had long conversations with gays about politics, and I find that many of them are fiscally conservative, but cannot support a party they believe hates them.

    We should think back to what Mitch Daniels said about putting social issues aside until the existential issues (the financial issues) are settled.

    It’s not that I dislike social conservatives. I am very socially conservative personally, but I also believe that a national party’s platform should put that kind of issue aside because of federalism.

    Anyway, I think Elissa’s on the right track.

    Comment by Dustin (73fead) — 1/19/2013 @ 8:57 am

  116. 115…
    Well put Dustin

    Comment by Angelo (d9f869) — 1/19/2013 @ 9:14 am

  117. being a republican is socially unacceptable where I live to where I don’t identify that way anymores cause we can’t have clients finding out

    how’d it get that way? a lot of it was the gay marriage intolerance but a lot of it also is the weird spoutings emanating from the rape baby akin mourdock tribe

    also santorum’s prominence was a clear signal that Team R is trapped in the 700 Club 80s

    these Team Rs – they on their own as far as I’m concerned I don’t share their socially backwards worldview

    I like guns and I like to sing country musics really loud in my japanese car and I like fiscal conservatism and I hate spendings like porky porky chris christie’s welfare for jersey trash bill and I love chili john’s and I love freedom to where I don’t think the government needs to worry its depraved little mind about uterus stuff and I think Marco Rubio is unbearably smarmy and that he won’t connect with a majority of Americans (like his immigration thinkings though, and his budget thinkings too, mostly)

    I also I think it’s embarrassing to live in a country with piggy piggy union whores what can’t make cars profitably or twinkies and now they screwed up the whole passenger jet thing and they can’t teach our kids and the piggy piggy union whore police thugs mostly just like to shoot your dog

    also I think we should let the sequester thing happen also I think we should legalize marijuana if only to stop the ridiculously capital-inefficient spectacle of a ton of commercial real estate being devoted to the sale of a single product

    also I like turtles

    Comment by happyfeet (ce327d) — 1/19/2013 @ 9:17 am

  118. “All your base are belong to me.”

    - President-For-Life Barack “I Could Be teh Won” 0bama

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (1fb47a) — 1/19/2013 @ 9:34 am

  119. Was it something I said?!?!

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (1fb47a) — 1/19/2013 @ 9:38 am

  120. “I’ve had long conversations with gays about politics, and I find that many of them are fiscally conservative, but cannot support a party they believe hates them.”

    Dustin – I have had many long conversations as well and have not found a monolithic block on the hot button issues the left and media (BIRM) pushes. Most I have had rational discussions with don’t give a crap about marriage or gays in the military. Their issues are more over legal rights such as hospital visitation rights, inheritance, insurance benefits and the like. They view the public issues as stirred up by professional agitators not necessarily having the best interests of the gay community first.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 1/19/2013 @ 10:16 am

  121. yes clearly it’s Team R what has the best interests of the gay community first maybe while they’re at it they should put the best interests of trailer park religious freaks first by kicking their asses out of the military and disallowing marriages between them

    Comment by happyfeet (ce327d) — 1/19/2013 @ 10:22 am

  122. “yes clearly it’s Team R what has the best interests of the gay community first”

    Preach it Brother Feets!

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 1/19/2013 @ 10:42 am

  123. there’ll be fire on the mountain Mr. daley!

    Comment by happyfeet (ce327d) — 1/19/2013 @ 10:56 am

  124. Lightening in the air too, Mr. Feets!

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 1/19/2013 @ 11:20 am

  125. It can be Mr. Feets traveling salvation show and monster truck prayer rally.

    Praise Obama!

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 1/19/2013 @ 11:22 am

  126. come for the spectacle stay for the message

    Comment by happyfeet (ce327d) — 1/19/2013 @ 11:23 am

  127. will there be low carb eats?

    Comment by elissa (57ebdf) — 1/19/2013 @ 11:25 am

  128. I can hear them angels sweetly singing. Don’t leave before the miracle.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 1/19/2013 @ 11:25 am

  129. T-Shirts on sale:

    I came to be Transformed

    and all I got was this

    Lousy President

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 1/19/2013 @ 11:27 am

  130. btw Mr. daley Paul Ryan has thrown in with those same susan b anthony nutjobs Marco Rubio’s in bed with

    we need to save up our miracles for 2016

    Comment by happyfeet (ce327d) — 1/19/2013 @ 11:35 am

  131. low carb eats!

    noosa yogurt is my new reward it
    s low card and kinda decadent I heart it very much

    but I’ve been kinda dropping the low carb ball except for eating bacon n eggs for dinner a lot, which helps a lot really but I just haven’t put a lot of work into finding fun new things

    it got cold for awhile so i did vegetable beef soup, with just green stuff no starches and that was tasty

    but i need to get more inspired

    Comment by happyfeet (ce327d) — 1/19/2013 @ 11:41 am

  132. hrmmm

    ” it
    s low card” – “it’s low carb”

    Comment by happyfeet (ce327d) — 1/19/2013 @ 11:42 am

  133. “btw Mr. daley Paul Ryan has thrown in with those same susan b anthony nutjobs Marco Rubio’s in bed with”

    Mr. Feets – The coins?

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 1/19/2013 @ 11:49 am

  134. would it were Mr. daley no it’s the extreme extremists

    take the pledge!

    oh god help us

    go AWAY from the light Paul Ryan do NOT go into the light

    Comment by happyfeet (ce327d) — 1/19/2013 @ 11:53 am

  135. 131. happyfeets, Lentil soup with spices and veggies. Stir Fry, Bean dishes and all kinds of salads. My wife makes these all the time. She is meatless and fishless.

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 1/19/2013 @ 1:02 pm

  136. 111. I’ve read where in the past the NRA was actually active in helping both black and white southerners learn to handle firearms to defend against the KKK. Somehow I doubt the NRA is getting much credit for that.

    Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 1/19/2013 @ 6:52 am

    And you can read about it in the present:

    Amazon: Negroes with Guns

    The publishers description is a bit skimpy (fpr a reason we’ll get to shortly).

    First published in 1962, “Negroes with Guns” is the story of a southern black community’s struggle to arm itself in self-defense against the Ku Klux Klan and other racist groups. Frustrated and angered by violence condoned or abetted by the local authorities against blacks, the small community of Monroe, North Carolina, brought the issue of armed self-defense to the forefront of the civil rights movement. The single most important intellectual influence on Huey P. Newton, the founder of the Black Panther Party, “Negroes with Guns” is a classic story of a man who risked his life for democracy and freedom.

    You really have to get to one of the reader’s reviews to understand why:

    There is much being said about gun ownership and the Second Amendment. Robert Williams book clearly illustrates why even in out “civilized” age that the protection of you and your family depends upon you.

    Williams found out about this the hard way when the police refused to assist him against a racist onslaught, but also when the NAACP turned on him too and revoked his NAACP charter for using a gun to save himself from being lynched!

    Who would have thought that it would be the the NRA that would come to the aid of Williams and his beleaguered people?

    Not exactly the image that the media would like us to have of the NRA, or the NAACP for that matter.

    Please do not let the injustice that this man and his family suffered or the painful lessons learned here go to waste!

    Read this book and take it’s lessons to heart

    Danny Glover and other idiots/liars would have you believe the NRA is like the Klan. Actually, the NAACP was aiding and abetting the klan while the NRA was helping to fight it.

    I’ve used the phrase “oldie but goodie” to refer to magazine articles a few months or a couple of years old. Well, here’s a real oldie but goodie:

    Report of the Joint Committee on Reconstruction, June 20 1866

    The former Confederate states were trying to get Senators and Representatives readmitted to Congress. The report took up the question of whether they were ready to be readmitted or not.

    From a typical post-bellum, Reconstruction state constitution (pages 539-541 of the report):


    We, the people of the state of Arkansas, having the right to establish for ourselves the right to establish a constitution in confirmith with the Constitution of the United States of America, recognizing the consequences of the existing rebellion….

    Article II

    Sec. 21: That the free white men of this State shall have the right to keep and bear arms for their common defense.

    One of the reasons why the 39th Congress was not only convinced that it was absurd to admit the southern states but also that the 14th Amendment was necessary were the systematic attempts, whether by law or force, by the former Confederacy to denied freed slaves their 2nd Amendment rights.

    1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    The 2nd Amendment, and later the NRA, were securing the rights of blacks from Reconstruction through the Civil Rights era (MLK applied for a concealed carry permit and by some reports his house was an arsenal). As the Report of the Joint Committee observed it was only by exercising their right to keep and bear arms could freedmen exercise any of their other rights.

    For Danny Glover and his ilk to claim the 2nd Amendment and the NRA to be racist is either the height of ignorance or the depth of mendacity.

    Comment by Steve57 (4c041b) — 1/19/2013 @ 1:05 pm

  137. you know honestly what happened is my old job was 35 hours a week 9-5 with an hour lunch… the new job is like 50+ hours a week

    so I been begrudging the grocery store my attentions

    I’m sure I’ll adjust at some point I think in the meantime I should run over and get the 20 piece roasted chicken plus 3 salads deal at pollo loco

    either that or I need to get a wife

    Comment by happyfeet (ce327d) — 1/19/2013 @ 1:09 pm

  138. we do not give up the argument that, “No, his children are not ‘more important’ than ours”.

    MD, what drives me up the wall about liberals like Obama is that they truly epitomize “limousine liberalism.” They try to sound so populist, generous and benevolent, and they love to think their s*** don’t stink when it comes to compassion and humaneness. But ultimately, too many of them not only aren’t as advertised, too many of them are no better than the slicksters described below., August 2012:

    Black police officers had mowed down black workers, just as the apartheid police had once fired on black demonstrators. The bloodbath is a disaster for the African National Congress (ANC), which has governed the country since 1994. But the party of national hero Nelson Mandela has already been losing authority and credibility for years. Nowadays, it is primarily viewed as corrupt, incompetent and arrogant.

    [A] large share of the black majority still lives in corrugated metal huts. South Africa’s schools are just as miserable as the health care system, and youth unemployment exceeds 50 percent. The gap between rich and poor is now even wider than in the days of white rule.

    Moreover, corruption is practically built into the structures of the ANC. “It’s eating up the nation,” says a union member. The South African economy is weakening as chaos, high crime rates and the arbitrary behavior of officials scare off investors. South Africa runs the risk of sliding into the status of a developing nation despite the fact that four of the world’s rising economic powers — Brazil, Russia, India and China — had just accepted the country into their club in 2011.

    [M]any ordinary workers haven’t felt represented by the ANC in a long time. Its top officials live a life of obscene luxury. Embroiled in their intrigues and power struggles, they seem to have forgotten the well-being of ordinary ANC supporters long ago.

    …As if it still had to protect itself from spies, the party’s meetings are closed to the public. Lists of candidates are drawn up behind closed doors, for example, and sometimes the meetings turn violent. At the last ANC convention, security officers had to use pepper spray to separate delegates who had come to blows.

    The violent clashes come as no surprise because privileges and a lot of money are often at stake. Since it governs alone, the ANC is free to distribute government offices and other perks as it sees fit.

    Many ANC officials are derided as “tenderpreneurs,” a word coined from the words “tender” and “entrepreneur.” A “tenderpreneur” is awarded government contracts and pays for them with his or her political loyalty. An investigative committee of the state court of audit concluded that, in 2009, three-quarters of all government contracts in Eastern Cape province were awarded to companies owned by government officials or their relatives.

    Ironic that a buzzfeed editor is in tepid water for telling GOProud to suck a dlck

    Even more ironic because I’m guessing that editor is the type who deems anti-gay imagery (eg, the “bleech” vision of a dude being fellated by another guy) as RACIST! Or BIGOTED! Or HOMOPHOBIC!

    Comment by Mark (e66007) — 1/19/2013 @ 1:36 pm

  139. Do the low infos learn that the left uses gayness as a derogatory expression all the time?

    Does that mean happyfeet is a liberal? He has to be, because to be resentful about social-cultural conservatism in the context of today — and not in the context of, say, 60 years ago (when Hollywood, no less, ostracized a famous actress for having a child out of wedlock, or NBC thought it was controversial when their late-night talk-show host said “water closet” on the air) — indicates one has to have fairly leftwing gut reactions in certain major ways. Even more so when such a person likes using the word “gay” in a non-positive manner.

    Comment by Mark (e66007) — 1/19/2013 @ 1:44 pm

  140. Civility should be considered one of these days;

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 1/19/2013 @ 3:03 pm

  141. hypocrisy on steroids.

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 1/19/2013 @ 3:12 pm

  142. nope not a liberal i believe we must honor all Americans for their right to pursue their happiness in their own way

    fly little americans

    be free!

    Comment by happyfeet (ce327d) — 1/19/2013 @ 3:29 pm

  143. . Most I have had rational discussions with don’t give a crap about marriage or gays in the military. Their issues are more over legal rights such as hospital visitation rights, inheritance, insurance benefits and the like. They view the public issues as stirred up by professional agitators not necessarily having the best interests of the gay community first.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 1/19/2013

    In all honesty I have a pretty limited amount of exposure to out-of-closet gays to chat with. You’re absolutely right that they seemed more concerned with tangible legal effects like those you mentioned. A couple (which is half of my sample) were also hopeful for gay marriage if Obama were reelected.

    My thought wasn’t too far from what you’ve said. I think people should think about our true best interests. By listening to serial agitators in the media and the academy, we have been divided up into little interests groups to demand various and endless social justice from new government initiatives. Everyone’s in a group. Seniors, gays, minorities, women, veterans, victims, allies, students, disabled (which almost seems like everyone who wants to be now), etc.

    If we define ourselves by our group, we miss the forest for the forest. We don’t realize that we’re all in a sinking ship.

    What’s in the best interest of gays? A balanced budget, low taxes, and federalism so the states can have different social arrangements without needless national tension. Funnily enough, that’s also in the best interest of everyone else.

    You make a very interesting point that all the tangible things a gay marriage advocate offers could be relatively easily without redefining marriage. Of course, the problem with that approach is that the democratic party’s end goal is not gay marriage, but the political power it gains from those voting for them in long term hope of getting it. In a sad way, the democratic party needs to keep its devotees in need as long as it can.

    The perverse effects of this can be seen wherever democrats have total power. You cannot find a worse result for the ultra stratified victim class than Detroit or DC or Chicago.

    Anyway, everything gets twisted around and around.

    Comment by Dustin (73fead) — 1/22/2013 @ 10:33 pm

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