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1/11/2013

David Gregory Will Not Be Prosecuted

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 5:50 pm

Shocker, huh? And buddies with the prosecutor, too? Hmmm.

243 Responses to “David Gregory Will Not Be Prosecuted”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (b198f5)

  2. We have a government so feckless about its debt it’s considering issuing trillion dollar marked currency to cheat its way out of the debt ceiling that the people’s representatives established as the law. The government also has refused to pass a budget despite that too being US law.

    There is no law anymore for those with power, so it’s no surprise that Gregory, who got a nice exclusive White House interview after his illegal stunt, will not be prosecuted.

    Of course, a respectful commoner who was caught with this magazine would face prosecution seeking to keep him in prison as long as possible, even if that commoner had not knowingly broken the law.

    The law is no longer about right and wrong or even legal or illegal. It’s about who is in the powerful elite.

    The journalists have covered for democrats in powerful positions, and I’m not surprised that this is a two way street.

    Little by little, this country is crumbing away into something that none of us are going to like very much… unless we’re in the tiny ruling class.

    Dustin (73fead)

  3. Welcome to Chicago.

    SPQR (ec07e1)

  4. I wonder what it feels like when your soul dies.

    Joe Miller (41122e)

  5. This surprises me not one bit. Yet it still plsses me off.

    JD (b63a52)

  6. Better for the prosecutor to have a little egg on his face for not pressing charges (which won’t be widely reported by the LSM) than to have a huge legal battle over the stupidity of DC gun laws (which would be front page news because it would involve a favored son.)

    Gazzer (b92d8e)

  7. No, Gazzer, it isn’t. It would be best if the effing laws applied to everyone. If they don’t, the whole idea of a justice system is thrown away and people will start taking the law into their own hands.

    Rob Crawford (d8dade)

  8. Rob,

    no crime was committed exccept maybe those who thought one was.

    We lose ourselves as a nation when we try to jail those based on their disagreements rather than the substance of their crimes

    EPWJ (5050cc)

  9. Rob, I meant better for “them” not us. I thought it was obvious, sorry.

    Gazzer (b92d8e)

  10. no crime was committed exccept maybe those who thought one was.

    Wrong wrong wrong did you even read what the DC AG said?

    JD (b63a52)

  11. We lose ourselves as a nation when we try to jail those based on their disagreements rather than the substance of their crimes

    The DC AG stated unequivocally that he broke the law, knowingly, and intentionally.

    JD (b63a52)

  12. Ha @EPWJ you’re being a bit ridiculous. I hope that is sarcasm.

    Pamela (90e140)

  13. DC AG isnt a judge, JD.

    EPWJ (5050cc)

  14. Good Allah. You cannot be elfin serious, EPWJ.

    JD (b63a52)

  15. No crime was committed except maybe those who thought one was.

    OAG has made this determination, despite the clarity of the violation of this important law

    On the other hand, no specific intent is required for this violation, and ignorance of the law or even confusion about it is no defense. We therefore did not rely in making our judgment on the feeble and unsatisfactory efforts that NBC made to determine whether or not it was lawful to possess, display and broadcast this large capacity magazine as a means of fostering the public policy debate. Although there appears to have been some misinformation provided initially, NBC was clearly and timely advised by an MPD employee that its plans to exhibit on the broadcast a high capacity-magazine would violate D.C. law, and there was no contrary advice from any federal official. While you argue that some NBC employees subjectively felt uncertain as to whether its planned actions were lawful or not, we do not believe such uncertainty was justified and we note that NBC has now acknowledged that its interpretation of the information it received was incorrect.

    NBC should be made aware that OAG’s decision not to press charges in this matter was a very close decision and not one to which it came lightly or easily.

    JD (b63a52)

  16. Pamela,

    David Greogory would not hesisitate to call for anyone from Fox news to go to prison for what he did waving that clip around, in the most digusting sensionalistic oppotunism over the bodies of little dead angels, and the brave teachers that died for them, its just sad to see the overeach get just as nasty.

    If any prosecutor who worked for me, really wanted to prosecute gregory and wasnt talking through the exhaustion or the wear and tear of the job but really felt that way, I would terminate immediately.

    I cant be on a management team tasked with protecting the public from real crimes and waste resources on this type of nonsense, the job is too important to be worried about incredibly small people like Gregory….

    EPWJ (5050cc)

  17. JD

    didnt even get to the intake stage,

    EPWJ (5050cc)

  18. http://p.washingtontimes.com/blog/guns/2013/jan/11/miller-david-gregory-gets-scott-free/

    Inswearmon all that is holy that EPWJ is just pulling our collective leg. He simply cannot be that effin idiotic.

    JD (b63a52)

  19. no specific intent is required for this violation, and ignorance of the law or even confusion about it is no defense

    Yaaawn, gave these boilerplate responses everytime someone calls for someones head and we are not doing it

    EPWJ (5050cc)

  20. There is no over-reach. The DC AG admits that Gregory intentionally broke an important law, and they selected to not prosecute.

    Those small people that you worry about, EPWJ, are prosecuted under this law, and go to trial.

    JD (b63a52)

  21. JD,

    A blog? wow -you linked a BLOG? Why then it must be true!!!!!!!!!!!1!!11!!

    EPWJ (5050cc)

  22. So, your response to the facts pointing out you are wrong is to yawn, and keep making shlt up?

    JD (b63a52)

  23. A blogger, who has pointed out how ‘fracking’ impossible it is to get a gun, legitimately in DC, four years after Heller,

    narciso (3fec35)

  24. We lose ourselves as a nation when we try to jail those based on their disagreements rather than the substance of their crimes

    I don’t want him jailed because he disagrees with me. I want him jailed because he broke a law that has seen others jailed. I want him to face the same process, the same risk of losing his liberty, as the “little people” who have been charged under this law.

    If his prosecution exposes the idiocy of the magazine ban, all the better. If a jury refuses to convict, a la nullification, all the better.

    But privilege for politically correct D-grade celebrities? Immunity from a law because you’re pushing for more stringent laws? This bizarre 1st Amendment “exception” to a law that violates the 2nd Amendment?

    That way leads to Really Bad Things.

    Rob Crawford (d8dade)

  25. OH good Allah, EPWJ. The text of the 3 page letter is at that link, outlining how Gregory knowingly broke the law the very important law.

    JD (b63a52)

  26. If any prosecutor who worked for me, really wanted to prosecute gregory and wasnt talking through the exhaustion or the wear and tear of the job but really felt that way, I would terminate immediately.

    Wow.

    You’ve been purposefully avoiding the information on the people who have been prosecuted for this law, haven’t you?

    Rob Crawford (d8dade)

  27. JD
    The DC guy is a hired political attorney, his statement has no affect on the situation, and carried no weight of law.

    The courtroom is where it is determined whether Gregory “broke” the law.

    Rob,

    I don’t want him jailed because he disagrees with me. I want him jailed because he broke a law that has seen others jailed. I want him to face the same process, the same risk of losing his liberty, as the “little people” who have been charged under this law

    Actually the controversy and the probably has made this law unenforceable except in the commission of a crime.

    But thats my opinion, and with incarceration costs soaring, I cannot see people abiding peacefully in DC, being dragged out of their houses for poesession of a magazine unloaded and not in a rifle

    EPWJ (5050cc)

  28. Like this poor guy, a vet no less, banged up for a few loose rounds in his back-pack. No weapon anywhere, of course. Where was his prosecutorial discretion?
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/guns/2012/jul/6/miller-dc-arrests-vet-unregistered-ammunition-part/

    Gazzer (b92d8e)

  29. Actually this controversy has probably amde this law unenforceable – I dont know how that last sentence got constructed – weird dragon software

    EPWJ (5050cc)

  30. Gazzer,

    BLogs again?????!????!1????

    Court documents probably show a different story

    EPWJ (5050cc)

  31. Mr. Gardiner defended James Brinkley in court after the Secret Service arrested and jailed the Army veteran in September on charges that he brought “high-capacity” magazines and an unregistered gun into the District. The OAG stubbornly refused to drop the charges, despite overwhelming evidence that Mr. Brinkley followed all the laws of the District in transporting these legally owned items through the city. 

    Mr. Brinkley refused to accept a plea bargain that would have meant a guilty plea to a lesser charge and decided instead to take his chances before a judge. Mr. Brinkley described D.C. Assistant Attorney General Rachel Bohlen as “coming at me like I’d shot somebody” in the courtroom. Nevertheless, Magistrate Judge Elizabeth Carroll Wingo acquitted Mr. Brinkley on all the firearms charges.

    JD (b63a52)

  32. Are you drunk, EPWJ?

    JD (b63a52)

  33. The courtroom is where it is determined whether Gregory “broke” the law.

    Nope. There is no question he broke the law. They chose not to prosecute. Did you watch the clip?

    JD (b63a52)

  34. Rob,

    Okay, I’ll make this short.

    You want Gregory prosecuted because what has happened to people who actually “broke” the law

    Gregory didnt, in fact he was doing probably a PSA on/for/in support of the law and make the DC law nationwide.

    Lets get off the angry and move on everyone.

    Lets move on to winning the senate in 2014 and make Obama a lame ducky

    EPWJ (5050cc)

  35. JD

    So prosecutors are now judge and jury?

    Can you cut and paste anything that supports that?

    From any source, except a political blog

    EPWJ (5050cc)

  36. Since this jurisdiction aggressively prosecutes people for breaking this law, they should prosecute Gregory as well.

    I hope that Gregory would be able to use the US Constitution to have this law overturned.

    I guess that’s one benefit jurisdictions have in not enforcing unconstitutional laws except against the powerless.

    The best result would be a court ruling this law unconstitutional, and those convicted in the past having some justice too.

    Dustin (73fead)

  37. EPWJ, is a low information Libtard. No logic, facts nor reason will change that.

    gus (694db4)

  38. You couldn’t make this up, if one tried, JD.

    narciso (3fec35)

  39. JD

    I understand your anger, and its justified, but lets move on, he was supporting the law and demonstrating it for public service (actually for his own grandstanding smarmy skeezy sucking to the left)

    Gregory’s an moron of great depth

    Just not a criminal

    EPWJ (5050cc)

  40. That is precisely why they didn’t prosecute, because it would have likely been thrown out, for arbitrary enforcement, the same way they have tried
    to get at the death penalty, through the Baldus study.

    narciso (3fec35)

  41. one authorized gun dealer for nearly half a million people,

    narciso (3fec35)

  42. 36.Since this jurisdiction aggressively prosecutes people for breaking this law

    Dustin, thats an unfounded statement, more of a opportunistic colorization of a group who made a decision that you disagreed with on your principles which differ greatly (and I’m with you) from the idiots who run DC

    But saying that prosecutors go out of their way to unfairly prosecute or not prosecute the laws – we simple have no credible information on that

    EPWJ (5050cc)

  43. narcisco,

    given the high crime in the area, why would you want to open any business in DC and pay all those taxes and put up with the total lack of police protection?

    Gun shop or condom shop.

    EPWJ (5050cc)

  44. Wow, now the Washington Times is just a blog. Mind boggling.

    Gazzer (b92d8e)

  45. No, EPWJ. I am now angry at you, for playing your silly effing games, and then dancing about like hey you have the best of intentions so let’s forget that EPWJ just took a stealing pile of lie in the middle of the room.

    Gregory didnt

    This is a lie.

    JD (b63a52)

  46. So prosecutors are now judge and jury?

    Never said that, liar. I don’t need a Judge or jury to watch a clip of him in possession, knowingly and intentionally, of a banned magazine. The OAG letter posted at that “blog” outlines exactly how they broke the law, how they knew it was against the law, and how they chose to break the law, and ultimately, how they chose to not prosecute them breaking this important law.

    JD (b63a52)

  47. No crime was committed except maybe those who thought one was.

    EPWJ – the first 4 words are demonstrably untrue. Everything after except is gibberish. What does “except maybe those who thought one was” even mean? Is this one of your imaginary scenarios where Gregory did not break the law, but those that note he did may have?

    JD (b63a52)

  48. JD, LIBTARDS lie, that’s what they do. The fruitcake you are/were debating, will NEVER, lose the debate, because he isn’t HONEST.

    gus (694db4)

  49. Factual info, ..documents…posted on a blog. Are not believable.
    Obama’s certificate of live birth…..believable.

    gus (694db4)

  50. Goodnight, all. I have an international investment seminar to attend early tomorrow, and have to stroll the streets of Mumbai to get a feel for the street.

    JD (b63a52)

  51. I shouldn’t have responded. I have been doing better. I am weak.

    JD (b63a52)

  52. David Gregory should have been charged and sent away for as long as James O’Keefe was in Louisiana.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  53. JD,

    I understand your anger and I agree with you about that the 30round clip didnt kill anyone – it was .evil criminal who loaded it and unloaded it into children.

    Gregory simply wasnt prosecuted because he broke no laws

    EPWJ (5050cc)

  54. EPWJ,
    I understand your abject stupidity. And I agree that you are a moron.

    gus (694db4)

  55. EPWJ, is a low information Libtard. No logic, facts nor reason will change that.

    No, he is a long time substance abuser who is highly unstable.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  56. What’s a 30 round clip?

    askeptic (2bb434)

  57. I’m sorry, but someone will have to explain this to me:

    A law can be violated without criminal intent, so that law should be ignored if no criminal intent was, well, intended?

    Does that mean I will not prosecuted for not paying my fair share of taxes because I trusted my brother-in-law to prepare my tax returns correctly even if he did not? Even if I certainly intended to pay my taxes legally?

    Now, suppose I’m a big shot news spewer. I trusted my producer to provide me with an gun part to use to ridicule someone I disagree with. I trusted my news producer to make sure I did not break the law. But I did without intent.

    I know what would happen to me. I know what happened to Gregory.

    I know bullshit. So, can we stop with the prevarication?

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  58. ==Goodnight, all. I have an international investment seminar to attend early tomorrow, and have to stroll the streets of Mumbai to get a feel for the street==

    JD–:) ++++

    elissa (482a92)

  59. Hmmm–that was supposed to print out as an appreciative and knowing smily face
    :)

    elissa (482a92)

  60. EPJW, since you obviously don’t follow links, the following was published on the Washington Times website. Please read this in it’s entirety, then defend your statements about how this law isn’t actually enforced against others or that when it is enforced, it is against people who “actually broke the law”.

    I particularly want to hear you defend this statement you made earlier.

    But saying that prosecutors go out of their way to unfairly prosecute or not prosecute the laws – we simple have no credible information on that

    Article follows.

    The Washington Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) inquiry into whether NBC’s David Gregory broke the law by possessing a 30-round “high-capacity” magazine on national TV has been ongoing for three weeks. Meanwhile, U.S. Army veteran James Brinkley is still grappling with the fallout from his arrest last year on the same charge.

    Mr. Brinkley’s story is just one example of at least 105 individuals who, unlike Mr. Gregory, were arrested in 2012 for having a magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds.

    On Sept. 8, Mr. Brinkley says he intended to drop his wife and young children at the White House for a tour and then head to a shooting range to practice for the U.S. Marshals Service test. Just like Mr. Gregory, Mr. Brinkley called MPD in advance for guidance on how he could do this legally. Mr. Brinkley was told that the gun had to be unloaded and locked in the trunk, and he couldn’t park the car and walk around.

    Unlike Mr. Gregory, Mr. Brinkley followed the police orders by placing his Glock 22 in a box with a big padlock in the trunk of his Dodge Charger. The two ordinary, 15-round magazines were not in the gun, and he did not have any ammunition with him.

    As he was dropping off his family at 11 a.m. on the corner of Pennsylvania Avenue, Mr. Brinkley stopped to ask a Secret Service officer whether his wife could take the baby’s car seat into the White House. The officer saw Mr. Brinkley had an empty holster, which kicked off a traffic stop that ended in a search of the Charger’s trunk. Mr. Brinkley was booked on two counts of “high capacity” magazine possession (these are ordinary magazines nearly everywhere else in the country) and one count of possessing an unregistered gun.

    Despite the evidence Mr. Brinkley had been legally transporting the gun, his attorney Richard Gardiner said the D.C. Office of the Attorney General “wouldn’t drop it.” This is the same office now showing apparent reluctance to charge Mr. Gregory.

    Mr. Brinkley refused to take a plea bargain and admit guilt, so the matter went to trial Dec. 4. The judge sided with Mr. Brinkley, saying he had met the burden of proof that he was legally transporting. Mr. Brinkley was found not guilty on all firearms-related charges, including for the “high-capacity” magazines, and he was left with a $50 traffic ticket.

    Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan told The Washington Times, “We feel it was a valid arrest, and the appropriate charges were brought.” Moments later, a spokesman for the D.C. attorney general’s office, Ted Gest, called and provided the exact same quote. Mr. Gest added that, despite Mr. Brinkley’s acquittal, the ruling “doesn’t mean the judge is right, and we’re wrong.”

    Mr. Brinkley believes the “Meet the Press” anchor is receiving special treatment because of his high-profile job. “I’m an average person,” Mr. Brinkley said in an exclusive interview with The Washington Times. “There seems to be a law for us and a law for the upper echelon.”

    Mr. Brinkley was publicly humiliated, thrown in jail and forced to spend money to defend himself for violating a law that millions of viewers watched the NBC anchor violate. If D.C. is going to have this pointless law, it should at least be enforced fairly.

    Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/4/if-youre-not-david-gregory/#ixzz2HjrXmY3h

    Jay H Curtis (804124)

  61. “Gregory simply wasnt prosecuted because he broke no laws”

    EPWJ – What Judge determined that David Gregory broke no laws? Do you have a citation?

    The AG for the District of Columbia directly quoted elsewhere in this thread is of the clear opinion that David Gregory broke the law.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  62. EPWJ is off his meds tonight. Save your breath.

    Gazzer (b92d8e)

  63. From the Office of the D.C. Attorney General: “The OAG has determined to exercise its prosecutorial discretion to decline to bring criminal charges against Mr. Gregory, who has no criminal record, or any other NBC employee based on the events associated with the December 23,2012 broadcast. OAG has made this determination, despite the clarity of the violation of this important law, because under all of the circumstances here a prosecution would not promote public safety in the District of Columbia nor serve the best interests of the people of the District to whom this office owes its trust.”

    Response from NBC:“We displayed the empty magazine solely for journalistic purposes to help illustrate an important issue for our viewers. We accept the District of Columbia Attorney General’s admonishment, respect his decision and will have no further comment on this matter.”

    Reading comprehension is apparently hard non-existent for our old agitator friend EPWJ.

    elissa (482a92)

  64. I have no hope whatever that any facts whatever will make the slightest dent in EPWJ’s thinking—or lack of thinking.

    Tanny O'Haley (12193c)

  65. Second look at Celebrity Gun Show Loophole?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  66. The forces of Leviathan just made a fatal mistake by declining to prosecute David Gregory. Now every American has perfect justification to ignore laws restricting magazine capacity.

    Just why would any free thinking American obey such a law? A law which one of it’s loudest proponents can openly flaunt?

    Brad (57a759)

  67. Just why would any free thinking American obey such a law? A law which one of it’s loudest proponents can openly flaunt?

    because they will hunt down and kill, in spectacular fashion, any of the narod who are stupid enough to dare defy them.

    they forget, of course, that the zek they seek to crush may also be the zek they send to crush others.

    Molon Labe and sleep sound, nomenklatura: you have nothing to worry about.

    redc1c4 (403dff)

  68. And the republicans remain silent. Yet they want my vote. Never again. This asshole should have been prosecuted. He was guilty and was set free. Being set up like a m-fer, will get you 2 years in a fed. pen.

    mg (31009b)

  69. Time for the Girandoni Air Rifle to save America, again.
    Thank You, Lewis and Clark.

    mg (31009b)

  70. The AG for the District of Columbia directly quoted elshereewhere in this thread is of the clear opinion that David Gregory broke the law.

    Daley,

    So? What weight of law does an opinion of one sides attorney have?

    EPWJ (5050cc)

  71. Tany,

    The whole thing is a side show circus that makes conservatives look, well, really bad.

    EPWJ (5050cc)

  72. elissa

    again, where are the court records that Gregory was convicted of this crime, the AG is just an atorney for one side, he can make all the propounding statements that he wants, it means nothing, totally and completely nothing. Gregory would have never ever been found guilty and he knows it.

    Because he didnt break the law

    EPWJ (5050cc)

  73. So, to ‘Otto’, Delgado is a victim, the drug dealing scum, but O’Keefe should be thrown the
    book at, for illustrating Landrieu’s corrupt nature.
    Maybe he did work unders

    narciso (3fec35)

  74. I understand your anger and I agree with you about that the 30round clip didnt kill anyone –

    Standard EPWJBS. You don’t agree with me, because I never said anything of the sort.

    was .evil criminal who loaded it and unloaded it into children.

    Not relevant to the discussion at hand, and another opportunity for you to dance on the still warm corpses.

    Gregory simply wasnt prosecuted because he broke no laws

    Not even remotely true, and at this point, you have to be intentionally dishonest to continue to try to make this point.

    JD (b63a52)

  75. ‘All animals are equal, just some are more equal then others’ JD.

    narciso (3fec35)

  76. The whole thing is a side show circus that makes conservatives look, well, really bad.

    Again, abject BS. This has nothing to do with conservatives. It does show how the Left views the law. Gregory and NBC can knowingly and intentionally break the DC gun laws, on national TV, and the elite can get away with it, based on the media exception to the law, where lowly vets get prosecuted.

    JD (b63a52)

  77. Interesting, this bit, so they didn’t prosecute the one who transferred it to Gregory either;

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/no-gun-magazine-charges-for-david-gregory-86079.html#ixzz2HliYwn9k

    narciso (3fec35)

  78. The truth is the law doesn’t matter;

    http://www.althouse.blogspot.com/2013/01/dc-attorney-general-confirms-that-law.html

    neither does the evidence, you could ask Sen. Stevens, oh wait, or Scooter Libby, Gregory was a party to that witchhunt as well.

    narciso (3fec35)

  79. Let me see if I understand the facts here:

    1. The law in the District of Columbia makes it illegal to possess a 30 round magazine. It says nothing about intent, and doesn’t qualify the offense by making it be part of committing another crime. It simply states that possession is illegal.

    2. Meet the Press films at a studio located in the District of Columbia.

    3. David Gregory went on-air at their studio with a 30 round magazine in his possession. He was filmed holding this magazine, and noone has claimed that the magazine was digitally inserted in post-production.

    Seems to me that while The Criminal David Gregory has not been convicted in a court of law, the violation of DC’s magazine ban was well documented. Since intent is NOT a factor with this particular law, it doesn’t matter what he “intended” to do with the magazine. It would have been a slam-dunk for the prosecutor to present a case to a judge or jury. Even though his offense if minor in comparison, David Gregory’s treatment here is reminiscent of Byron de la Beckwith. Who knows? Maybe in 30 years some crusading DC prosecutor will revisit this case & apply equal justice under the law?

    Or not.

    Of course, my opinion of this case is moot, since I am not a lawyer or a member of the media. I’m just some schmo who can read and comprehend the intent of DC’s law.

    Russ from Winterset (6354df)

  80. The passage in question;

    this is from the D.C. Attorney General Letter Declining to Prosecute David Gregory – “OAG also appreciates that the magazine was immediately returned to the source that NBC understood to be its lawful owner outside of the District and that the magazine in question, with NBC’s assistance, has been surrendered to MPD. OAG also recognizes the cooperation NBC has provided in the investigation of this matter

    narciso (3fec35)

  81. The exercise of prosecutorial discretion does NOT make the law unenforceable. It has absolutely NO bearing on that. The only way the law could be made unenforceable would be if there were a number of cases that went to trial, and the jury refused to convict through jury nullification. That would then supply a legal basis for other cases in which precedence could be used to undermine the state’s case. Over time the law then would become a dead letter. But a prosecutor refusing to prosecute has no bearing on that at all. This is, at it’s base, an abuse of prosecutorial discretion which must be used narrowly and honestly or it becomes abuse of prosecution.

    Rorschach (c5574d)

  82. No, the malicious prosecution of Meckler and Brinkley is more a sign of this.

    narciso (3fec35)

  83. Of course the law is unconstitutional on it’s face but until we have an expansion on the Heller ruling, the DC DA can continue to terrorize the DC populace with these sorts of prosecutorial abuses.

    Rorschach (c5574d)

  84. Narciso, they ALL are instances of that.

    Rorschach (c5574d)

  85. The D.C. prosecutor’s decision to allow Gregory to skate on this pretty much destroys the credibility of his office.Dollars to donuts, that when the furor over this (such as it is) dies down, the prosecutor will decide not to run for re-election, and will accept a lucrative position elswhere. He really should resign right now, of course, but that would just put the same hot potato in the hands of his successor.

    Mike (9ae522)

  86. So, they seem to be following that DHS memo, and actively prosecuting veterans, even if they are African American

    narciso (3fec35)

  87. :“We displayed the empty magazine solely for journalistic purposes to help illustrate an important issue for our viewers.

    From now on, when in public and in possession of high-caps and AW’s, be sure to have a “Press” card in the band of your fedora, and everything will be forgiven.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  88. BTW, what is the Statute of Limitations in DC for this offense?
    Will Gregory have to worry about a prosecution in the future when a new President/AG shows up?

    askeptic (2bb434)

  89. More importantly, what does he call the Magic Negro?

    http://hotair.com/archives/2013/01/11/msnbc-wonders-is-it-disrespectful-to-call-obama-obama/

    I prefer Schlong myself.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  90. jd,

    until you can provide some proof where this was adjudicated, then we have to look at the facts.

    he wasnt charged, therefore he didnt break the law.

    i dont need links to what if opinions by the AG. AG’s everywhere beat their chests.

    IMO he didnt charge Gregory, because 1st no laws were broken and 2nd the clip law would most likely been thrown out.

    EPWJ (b3df72)

  91. EPWJ, I’m sure you are quite impressed with your sophistry. To what end is the mystery.

    SPQR (768505)

  92. Perhaps, EPWJ is a family friend too:

    DC Attorney General and Family Friend Decides Not to Prosecute Pal David Gregory

    D.C. Attorney General Irvin Nathan issued a lengthy letter explaining why there will be no prosecution of David Gregory despite a finding that there was a clear violation of the law.

    Legal Insurrection discovered that AG Nathan is a family friend of David Gregory and his high-powered attorney wife, Beth Wilkinson. Nathan and Wilkinson participated together in a charity mock trial for the Washington, D.C. Shakespeare Theatre Company in 2011.

    BfC (fd87e7)

  93. he wasnt charged, therefore he didnt break the law.

    He broke the law.

    Patterico (7865e7)

  94. Patterico, would this fly in your office? (I pray not)

    BfC (fd87e7)

  95. Again, folks: consider EPWJ’s history of posting. He popped off, I think, and won’t admit he was wrong on the facts. But that’s okay. There has been some amusing humor at his expense.

    And let’s face it: there are a lot of folks more irritating than this silly fellow.

    I still like the stuff Glenn Reynolds posts about it.

    http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/DAVIDGREGORYGUNCRIME.png

    But I guess that EPWJ knows more about the law that Professor Reynolds…or Patterico for that matter.

    Selective enforcement of the law is serious. But, check me if I am wrong, daley…but isn’t that the coin of the realm in Chicago?

    Which is where I am going, next week. I’ll try to stay out of trouble and not carry an illegal clip through security. But hey: I wouldn’t be breaking a law!

    Simon Jester (30542a)

  96. IMO he didnt charge Gregory, because 1st no laws were broken and 2nd the clip law would most likely been thrown out.

    Your IMO is the opposite of fact-based. The report stated unequivocably that the law was broken. Any sentient being knows the law was broken. It is illegal to possess what David Gregory was in possession of, on national TV. Your “2nd” is a cute way to try to get around your dishonesty in your “1st”

    JD (b63a52)

  97. “But hey: I wouldn’t be breaking a law!”

    Simon – As someone above said, bring a press pass and some cash, which never hurts.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  98. Most of this verbal fencing is pointless, folks, and most of the apparent disagreement comes from definitional shifts and loosely constructed statements of what’s at issue.

    There’s no doubt about the relevant facts. They are undisputed. There is no doubt that those facts make out a violation of the relevant statute.

    From that, some folks can correctly insist that Gregory broke the law; and other folks can also correctly insist that no court has yet convicted him of that. So if we’re talking about adjudications of guilt under the Rule of Law, everyone agrees that Gregory has not been so adjudicated. But no one can plausibly or in good faith deny that his actions were exactly those prohibited by this criminal law — whether it’s wise or unwise, constitutional or unconstitutional.

    Beldar (fa2b98)

  99. EPWJ’s mendacious nature was definitely established years ago here. Old news.

    SPQR (768505)

  100. And Gregory avoided tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees and risk of a (nominal fine) and/or up to a year in jail.

    Note that his own kids go to a school where there are 11 on site security folks plus probably another handful of (presidential daughter(s) secret service agents on duty every day.

    And his employer probably all sorts of security at his place of employment.

    Plus he has the DC AG in his back pocket (or his wife’s back pocket).

    BfC (fd87e7)

  101. justice in america is kinda like religious freedom in saudi arabia

    happyfeet (ce327d)

  102. Big picture:

    This result — Gregory not being prosecuted — was absolutely preordained and ought surprise no one who has even a passing acquaintance with political reality. Note well: This is not a comment on the justness of the result in any respect or either way, only on its practical inevitability.

    But I am indeed surprised, and quite pleasantly so, that the public attention (including but not limited to blogospheric attention) on the question has forced the prosecutor to issue this written statement. As I’ve written at my blog, I’d much rather see Gregory prosecuted, and then either see him acquitted, convicted, or re-tried if the jury hung. But short of that, it’s a modest victory that the forced of the political left which got that statute passed are now, through the voice of the prosecutor’s office, forced to acknowledge that whenever their discretion deems it appropriate, by whatever standards they’re using, they’re going to refuse to prosecute crystal-clear and nationally televised violations of that statute.

    It’s not the Emperor admitting he’s naked, but it’s definitely an occasion to enjoy his courtiers being forced to blush.

    Beldar (fa2b98)

  103. Oops, forgot the URL in that link.

    Beldar (fa2b98)

  104. Just another comic opera, like the tussels of Chicago and IL pols with the courts over the validity and expanse of their gun laws.
    You just have to wonder what they all do not understand about “shall not be infringed”.
    But then, there’s always the clown who figures that “Congress shall make no law” doesn’t apply to him because.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  105. The Rule of Law … I do not think Americans know what it means.

    Misfeasance, malfeasance, and nonfeasance of office. Kinda like Mike Nifong, only a farce.

    htom (412a17)

  106. Beldar,

    last i checked, the DA passed on prosecuting him. why on earth would you abuse a public office to indict someone who showed something to an audience to warn them that they are illegal?

    seriously

    EPWJ (b3df72)

  107. EPWJ, Gregory did not warn the audience that the magazine in his hands was illegal. His stunt was intended to condemn its legality nationally.

    You just can’t help yourself from making stuff up, can you?

    SPQR (768505)

  108. It does make one wonder what the Meckler and Brinkley prosecutions were about, not about a warning to the gangs, which are presumably the target, of the law.

    narciso (3fec35)

  109. ==he wasnt charged, therefore he didnt break the law.==

    So I guess all those times that one time I was tooling down the interstate to Urbana and saw the speed limit sign that said 65 and when I looked down at my speedometer I saw it hovering on 9O, I was not breaking the law. Because, you know, the cop patrolling that stretch already had somebody else pulled over and so no ticket was written and no judge ever saw my case. Guilty as sin!! Free as a bird! (Gee that sounds kind of familiar.)

    There is truly only so much that a sane person reading these comments can tolerate from you, Eric.

    elissa (c84063)

  110. EPWJ wears a Three Wolf Moon T-shirt while posting from his Mom’s basement.

    Dos Equis Guy (cfc46e)

  111. I had no problem understanding Beldar’s comments. I wonder what made them hard for EPWJ to decipher.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  112. Heck, NBC even announced they accepted the DC AG’s admonishment.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  113. You want Gregory prosecuted because what has happened to people who actually “broke” the law

    Gregory didnt, in fact he was doing probably a PSA on/for/in support of the law and make the DC law nationwide.

    Yes, that is exactly what he was doing; now explain exactly how that changes the fact that he broke that very law that he was promoting. The fact that he was promoting this law, and urging its expansion, is precisely why he must be prosecuted for breaking it.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  114. David Gregory should have been charged and sent away for as long as James O’Keefe was in Louisiana.

    That long, eh?

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  115. SPQR,

    I like the idea of banning armor-piercing hollow-points. Also, (non-automatic) firearms with more than four barrels, revolvers with more than 12 chambers, and semi-automatic bazookas.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  116. KevinM, you had me worried there for a moment.
    It seemed you might be going for Self-processing Plutonium Reactors next….so, I guess I’m safe.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  117. last i checked, the DA passed on prosecuting him. why on earth would you abuse a public office to indict someone who showed something to an audience to warn them that they are illegal?

    Huh? How about someone who smoked a joint on TV to warn people that it was illegal? Or someone who “polluted” a so-called “wetland” to warn people that it was illegal? He committed a crime, in public, the very crime whose extension nationwide he was advocating, so what possible defense could he make?

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  118. Milhouse is quote right.

    David Gregory went out of his way to break this law, almost as though he wanted to flaunt his special above-the-law status.

    He did not need to actually bring the magazine into the jurisdiction and wave it around to ‘warn people it was illegal’. He could have had an image displayed on screen much more easily.

    And he wasn’t ‘warning people’. He was waving it around and demanding to know why anyone would ‘need’ such an item. It was a prop for his confrontation theater… this was not a public service announcement.

    There is no doubt he broke this law. There is no doubt that if any of us commoners did what he did, the DC AG would be seeking a hefty prison sentence. We know this because they do this all the time to commoners who break this law without even knowing about it, or even while lawfully transporting locked up firearms.

    They need to pardon anyone convicted of this law.

    Dustin (73fead)

  119. How about banning all weapons with a trigger velocity exceeding 3.2 parsecs, or a barrel length of less than 140 hectoPascals? Also ammunition with a granularity of 20 centicoulombs.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  120. EPWJ is being aggressively dishonest. Invincibly ignorant

    JD (840c05)

  121. Or it’s just a day ending in y.

    narciso (3fec35)

  122. this creepy piers morgan person is just flat-out unwatchable

    he makes me uncomfortable plus british tv people are child molesters

    happyfeet (ce327d)

  123. Back when Clinton’s defenders were claiming that nobody was ever prosecuted for perjury about sex in a civil case, the NY Times published the names and photos of eight people who were at that moment serving federal time for doing just that. My position was that if Clinton wanted to maintain that such an exception to the perjury law exists, or ought to exist, or should be treated as existing, then the first thing he needed to do was pardon those eight people, and issue instructions to all US Attorneys not to prosecute any more such cases. So long as he personally was keeping eight people under lock and key for having done exactly what he did there was no defense possible.

    If Mr Gregory had waved the magazine in defiance, in protest against the law, then there would be first amendment grounds for not prosecuting him. But he wasn’t doing that; on the contrary he was advocating that anyone else who did what he was doing ought to be charged with a crime; so there’s no possible reason not to charge him.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  124. JD,

    All I asked is where’s the trial transcripts, when did prosecutors become judges and the jury

    So far – I dont see anything yet from you or anyone else.

    Gregory is an a$$.

    EPWJ (d84fb0)

  125. 3.2 parsecs

    A parsec is a distance (~3.26 light-years), not a speed, Han Solo’s record on the Kessel run notwithstanding.

    But maybe you knew that.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  126. oh … reading on … clearly you did.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  127. ‘plasma rifles in the forty watt range’ definitely have to be banned,

    narciso (3fec35)

  128. I think you mean plasma rifles in the 40 megaWatt range …

    htom (412a17)

  129. It’s the amps that’ll getcha.

    Dustin (73fead)

  130. That should be, but that wasn’t the way it was said

    The Terminator went to a gun shop in present-day Los Angeles and requested a “…phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range”, a weapon from his own time. The Terminator

    narciso (3fec35)

  131. I think you mean plasma rifles in the 40 megaWatt range …

    No, that’s a weapon that might one day exist, so it would be wrong to ban it.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  132. Comment by EPWJ (d84fb0) — 1/12/2013 @ 6:07 pm

    Can’t even troll worth a gaseous defecation.

    SPQR (768505)

  133. All I asked is where’s the trial transcripts, when did prosecutors become judges and the jury

    What have trial transcripts, or prosecutors, got to do with whether a crime has been committed? For that matter, what have judges or juries got to do with it? Tell me, did Jack the Ripper, whoever he was, commit murder, or not? After all, he was never charged, let alone tried or convicted. So does that mean the killings he did were not crimes?

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  134. JD,

    All I asked is where’s the trial transcripts, when did prosecutors become judges and the jury

    That is not all you asked, and even if it was, it does not negate the fact that Gregory knowingly, flagrantly, and intentionally flouted the law on national TV. The fact that he broke the law is beyond dispute.

    JD (b63a52)

  135. So far – I dont see anything yet from you or anyone else.

    Nor will you. You know there is no trial transcript, because the DCOAG chose to not prosecute the clear and flagrant violation of their important law, one they knew in advance they would be breaking. Invincible ignorance combined with your level of dishonesty always comes off as a bit cray cray.

    JD (b63a52)

  136. ‘Aristotle is Belgian, the London Underground is a political movement, and Buddhism’s key tenet, is everyone is in for themselves,’

    narciso (3fec35)

  137. Belgian? I knew I didn’t like that little Greek sh*t.

    SPQR (768505)

  138. David Gregory should be prosecuted for wearing that awful mop of grey prep-school hair.

    Elephant Stone (ac0123)

  139. Denver’s secondary should be prosecuted for craptacular play in a playoff game.

    JD (840c05)

  140. Ain’t it cool when you can skirt the law because you know someone?

    Icy (ea8768)

  141. Some member of the House should introduce articles of impeachment for Nathan.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  142. 140-JD, The donkeys were way over rated. Love seeing Manning choke.

    mg (31009b)

  143. If the EPWJ response to the non-prosecution of unindicted gun-criminal David Gregory is typical of the reaction we can expect from the rest of the Left, then the effort to ban magazines at the federal level is well and truly dead.

    Brad (57a759)

  144. Brad, Milhouse, JD, SPQR, ELISSA

    Please show me where David Gregory was found guilty in a court of law – or – where a political appointee has the power of the entire judiciary system, being the Judge and the jury

    point is , the law is unconstitutional, if they tried Gregory he owuld have been found innocent

    Dont assume I’m for banning guns, in fact, quite the opposite

    EPWJ (d84fb0)

  145. Tell me how this guy isn’t a troll.

    He just likes to play. What a silly person.

    Simon Jester (30542a)

  146. The … corrupt nature … of the USAian judical system has rarely been more displayed.

    Somehow it seemed as though the farm had grown richer without making the animals themselves any richer — except, of course, for the pigs and the dogs.

    The creatures outside [the farmhouse] looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

    Animal House, Chapter 10

    htom (412a17)

  147. Simon,

    Name calling?

    I asked for two simple things, Simon.

    1. A link where Gregory was convicted

    2. A link where the prosecutor can be the judge and the jury

    A very open and simple request, seems to generate alot of name calling, unattributed motives, and attack upon my character, but I still fail to see where anything has been shown that Gregory “broke” a law which cannot be defended

    EPWJ (c5f1fc)

  148. EPWJ, your attempt at some sort of semantic point is a failure. To say someone violated a law is not to say that he was convicted. Your conflation of the two was always fraudulent.

    And your attempt to claim that the DC’s ordinance’s unconstitutionality means that Gregory did not violate it is just as much a failure.

    This is why you have no credibility here EPWJ.

    SPQR (768505)

  149. EPWJ – repeating the same mendoucheous crap doesn’t make it less mendoucheous. You are arguing with your own fevered imagination. We dont need a judge or a jury to see he broke the law. He knew he was breaking the law, and chose to. Whether or no it is constitutional is a completely different question.

    JD (840c05)

  150. Accidents do happen:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/01/chicago-police-chief-well-shoot-licensed-civilians-with-guns/

    Like unholstering your gun with Chicago’s Finest present, otherwise known as a ‘Darwin Incident’.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  151. Framers on guns:

    http://www.bob-owens.com/2013/01/forget-bans-where-are-my-constitutionally-protected-suppressed-machine-guns/

    My stance remains the citizen’s right to bear arms has nought to do with and needs no further justification the militia and any need to feed.

    Moreover, the militia’s purpose is hardly defense of the government.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  152. “To say someone violated a law is not to say that he was convicted. Your conflation of the two was always fraudulent.”

    SPQR – But under EPWJ logic, only your opinion that Gregory committed a crime or that of the D.C. AG requires a trial transcript to back it up, while EPWJ’s opinion that Gregory did not commit a crime because he was not charged through an exercise of prosecutorial discretion and that the underlying law in unconstitutional requires no support whatsoever.

    I get it.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  153. JD, Daley,

    I’m going to keep repeating it untilyou realize that, well, Gregory didnt committ a crime, hence a lawyer – albeit a prosecutor – appointed by the same idiot party lawmakers that made said stupid law – finally had to admit it wasnt a real law – If the liberal prosecutor went to trial it would be thrown out on appeal

    Thats my point, always was my point, sorry you couldnt see it but you cant prosecute and sent someone to jail on a law that is clearly unconstitutional

    EPWJ (c5f1fc)

  154. And JD I meant no disrespect to you and if you took it that way – I apologize

    EPWJ (c5f1fc)

  155. Animal House, Chapter 10

    Animal House?! Um, no.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  156. To say someone violated a law is not to say that he was convicted

    SPQR – means nothing, totally and completely nothing and at some point can be a crime or a tort -

    EPWJ (c5f1fc)

  157. Brad, Milhouse, JD, SPQR, ELISSA

    Please show me where David Gregory was found guilty in a court of law

    He wasn’t. What has that got to do with whether he broke the law?

    – or – where a political appointee has the power of the entire judiciary system, being the Judge and the jury

    He doesn’t. Again, what has that got to do with whether Gregory broke the law? We all saw him break it.

    point is , the law is unconstitutional,

    Quite possibly, though — to use your own standard of evidence — no court has ever found it so.

    if they tried Gregory he owuld have been found innocent

    Are you nuts? (Oops, sorry, I forgot.) What on earth makes you think so, when hundreds of others prosecuted under this same law are routinely convicted?

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  158. Yet’s it’s a small error, I think Ziva made, on a recent episode of NCIS.

    narciso (3fec35)

  159. And SPQR – you need to show a link where you got that little tidbit that you can accuse someone constantly of breaking the law – where it is legal and is a matter of fact, in law.

    I’ll be waiting,

    EPWJ (c5f1fc)

  160. hence a lawyer – albeit a prosecutor – appointed by the same idiot party lawmakers that made said stupid law – finally had to admit it wasnt a real law

    Now you’re just outright lying. He didn’t admit anything of the kind; on the contrary, he insisted in his letter that it is a real law, and that he will continue prosecuting people for it – other people, that is, the little people.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  161. The very fact that people here are willing to jail people over differences of opinion – completely and totally missed the point that everything Pat, Andrew, and Arron have gone through these last few months

    Sad, really sad

    EPWJ (c5f1fc)

  162. Milhouse

    Show me the part where Gregory was convicted, please.

    The fact tht the AG is beating his chest that its a real law is because it isnt

    EPWJ (c5f1fc)

  163. The very fact that people here are willing to jail people over differences of opinion

    No, we’re not. But we insist that those who advocate laws live by them, and be prosecuted when they break them.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  164. Show me the part where Gregory was convicted, please.

    He wasn’t. Show me what the hell that has to do with it. Are you really saying that Jack the Ripper was not a murderer, because he wasn’t convicted, or even tried?

    The fact tht the AG is beating his chest that its a real law is because it isnt

    Then why will he continue prosecuting people? And why were all the people he prosecuted before convicted?

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  165. Milhouse

    He admitted it wasnt a real law by not enforcing it.

    EPWJ (c5f1fc)

  166. Milhouse,

    Do you have any facts? Any? If you want to convince me Gregory is a criminal – show me where he was convicted of a crime

    I’ll be waiting

    EPWJ (c5f1fc)

  167. He admitted it wasnt a real law by not enforcing it.

    He has enforced it, hundreds of times, and he will go on enforcing it. How is that an admission that it’s not a real law?

    If you want to convince me Gregory is a criminal – show me where he was convicted of a crime

    Answer the f–ing question: Did Jack the Ripper a criminal? Yes or no. Do not evade the question. Do you really imagine, in your twisted excuse for a mind, that a crime has not happened until someone is convicted of it?

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  168. Sorry, was Jack the Ripper a criminal? Did he commit a crime?

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  169. The Meckler and Brinkley prosecutions, because they served no useful purpose, stick in my craw, after all they only spent years fighting for their country, nothing Mr. Nathan would understand apparently,

    narciso (3fec35)

  170. Were his victims murdered?

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  171. Milhouse,

    No facts? We go from a PSA in support of a law banning clips to one of the most notorious murders of all time?

    HAve a good day, I’m not even going down such a ludicrous road with – if you have some facts or an arguments without unstrewn with strawmen – let revisit

    EPWJ (c5f1fc)

  172. Comment by JD (b63a52) — 1/11/2013 @ 7:45 pm

    The DC AG admits that Gregory intentionally broke an important law, and they selected to not prosecute.

    No, the DC Ag said that NBC, the corporation, “has now acknowledged that its interpretation of the information it received was incorrect” and that that any uncertainty on the part of its employees was not justified.

    The whole thing was addressed to NBC, the corporation.

    Sammy Finkelman (a69e24)

  173. Yeah Sammy I didnt even want to go down the raod that Gregory may have in the course of his employment – was forced to do the PSA on the clip

    THere are enough ruffled feathers here as it is

    EPWJ (c5f1fc)

  174. So if Gregory was forced to do the segment – we dont even know who really broke a broken law in the first place

    EPWJ (c5f1fc)

  175. 60. This looks like a case of backing up police officers, even though the arrest was mistaken.

    They didn’t want to be sued for false arrest, so they prosecuted. Maybe not the same people prosecuted who would have been used, but they work together.

    Lesson: I guess be very careful around the White House.

    Sammy Finkelman (a69e24)

  176. Comment by EPWJ (c5f1fc) — 1/13/2013 @ 11:42 am

    was forced to do the PSA on the clip

    He wasn’t forced to. He is in charge of the show.

    It might not have been his idea, of course, and lots of people at NBC must have handled the magazine once it crossed the border of the District of Columbia, and David Gregory surely relied on legal advice. (although when the lawyer makes a mistake about something being legal, most of the time it’s the client who gets prosecued)

    BTW, the point about Jack the Ripper was that Jack the Ripper – whoever he was – was never prosecuted.

    Sammy Finkelman (a69e24)

  177. Milhouse @160 – Thank you for illustrating my point.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  178. Doesn’t sound like much, elissa.

    Icy (2e0dcd)

  179. That means Jack the Ripper were he to be identified – was not a felon, and all his acts were valid, but that doesn’t mean no crime was committed.

    Of course there;s the matter of moral turpitude and it would be ridiculous to ascribe moral turpitude to David Gregory brandishing this magazine. (Weapons are not held, but brandished)

    Sammy Finkelman (a69e24)

  180. hence a lawyer – albeit a prosecutor – appointed by the same idiot party lawmakers that made said stupid law – finally had to admit it wasnt a real law –

    He did no such thing. Quite the contrary.

    JD (b63a52)

  181. That means Jack the Ripper were he to be identified – was not a felon, and all his acts were valid, but that doesn’t mean no crime was committed.

    Who committed them?

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  182. And JD I meant no disrespect to you and if you took it that way – I apologize

    Comment by EPWJ (c5f1fc) — 1/13/2013 @ 11:08 am

    If that were true, you would not continue to tell outright lies. Since you continue to do so, it shows how meaningless this faux apology is.

    JD (b63a52)

  183. And SPQR – you need to show a link where you got that little tidbit that you can accuse someone constantly of breaking the law – where it is legal and is a matter of fact, in law.

    Abject nonsense.

    JD (b63a52)

  184. Coroners’ courts often return verdicts of “murder by person or persons unknown”. According to EPWJ this is impossible, since a murder has not happened unless someone is convicted of it.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  185. It looks like the question of David Gregory in particular was addressed.

    The reason given for not prosecuting is that it wouldn’t promote public safety (if that’s a criterion I think some laws might be nullified altogether, and some laws don’t have that purpose even theoretically) or serve the best interests of the people of the District (which is true, but do they always limit themselves that way?)

    Sammy Finkelman (a69e24)

  186. The very fact that people here are willing to jail people over differences of opinion –

    Jesus effing Christ.

    JD (b63a52)

  187. If Iran failed to prosecute 2 million Jews for being in the country illegally, would crossing the border without papers still be a crime?

    Icy (2e0dcd)

  188. The fact tht the AG is beating his chest that its a real law is because it isnt

    It is either a law or it is not. Since it is a law, and has been quoted above, your claim it is not a real law is beyond silly.

    JD (b63a52)

  189. “The very fact that people here are willing to jail people over differences of opinion – completely and totally missed the point that everything Pat, Andrew, and Arron have gone through these last few months”

    EPWJ – Sad that you believe blog commenters have the ability to put people in jail and that jailing over difference of opinion is what is at issue here.

    Now Aaron has been accusing BK of crimes against him for a year, which is protected speech, even though BK has not been finally judicially adjudicated guilty of crimes against Aaron. Have you demanded transcripts from Aaron to support his claims against BK or is that different than the opinions about Gregory here?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  190. No facts? We go from a PSA in support of a law banning clips

    Another complete fabrication. It was no PSA. It is like you cannot help yourself.

    JD (b63a52)

  191. No facts? We go from a PSA in support of a law banning clips to one of the most notorious murders of all time?

    What’s the difference? They both did things that were plainly against the law, and neither was convicted. Either they’re both criminals, or neither one is.

    As for your claim about the law’s constitutionality, were Gregory to be charged, he would be estopped (not legally, but both morally and practically) from making that claim, so it’s irrelevant.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  192. Gregory may have in the course of his employment – was forced to do the PSA on the clip

    Go down that road. Offer evidence for it

    JD (b63a52)

  193. It is either a law or it is not. Since it is a law, and has been quoted above, your claim it is not a real law is beyond silly.

    Laws that aren’t enforced aren’t real laws. But this one is enforced, rigorously and brutally, and no court has struck it down.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  194. What the AG said was that it didn’t make too much sense to prosecute.

    Sammy Finkelman (a69e24)

  195. Sammy – we read what was said above. We don’t need your further guesses as to what was said.

    JD (b63a52)

  196. Sammy,

    First, where are the Gregory victims?

    The DC AG just lost a case where large capacity clips were in a car loaded with a gun, and the Judge sided with Brinkley, basically in a judgement like that – you are being told, unless a CRIME has been committed – dont bother the oourts again with this nonsense.

    The Judge was going to rule he didnt committ a crime.

    EPWJ (c5f1fc)

  197. Yeah Sammy I didnt even want to go down the raod that Gregory may have in the course of his employment – was forced to do the PSA on the clip

    Forced how?! Did they put an empty magazine to his head? Really, how could anyone possibly have forced him to do it? Blackmail?! “My employer told me to to do it” is not a defense to any crime.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  198. JD

    he clip capacity was the news of the day, its in his job description most likely, since NBC was researching legal opinions, I would say that Gregory doesnt run or control NBC and is just another employee

    EPWJ (c5f1fc)

  199. Milhouse

    Still waiting for any facts from you.

    EPWJ (c5f1fc)

  200. First, where are the Gregory victims?

    What victims? Possessing an illegal weapon is a victimless crime.

    The DC AG just lost a case where large capacity clips were in a car loaded with a gun,

    Liar.

    and the Judge sided with Brinkley, basically in a judgement like that – you are being told, unless a CRIME has been committed – dont bother the oourts again with this nonsense.

    Bulldust. You are telling a deliberate lie. Brinkley was finally acquitted because he was legally transporting his weapon through DC; had he lived there, or been headed to or from somewhere there, he would have had no defense, and would have been convicted.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  201. Still waiting for any facts from you.

    The facts are on the video that we all saw. The facts against Gregory are exactly the same as the facts against Jack the Ripper.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  202. he clip capacity was the news of the day, its in his job description most likely, since NBC was researching legal opinions, I would say that Gregory doesnt run or control NBC and is just another employee

    What has any of that got to do with anything? If your job description includes a criminal act, do you imagine that’s a defense?!

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  203. Daleyrocks

    Kimberlin was a murderer, a convicted felon, Gregory was doing a PSA

    Aaron’s injustice is indeed a case of injustice.

    Gregory is a case of where people are trying to put him in jail to silence him, knowingly and willingly

    Ao I guess there are some correllations to be made, just not the one’s you think

    EPWJ (c5f1fc)

  204. First, where are the Gregory victims?

    There is no requirement that there be a victim for this law to be violated. Mere possession.

    he clip capacity was the news of the day, its in his job description most likely, since NBC was researching legal opinions, I would say that Gregory doesnt run or control NBC and is just another employee

    If cocaine was the news of the day, you would allow him to v in possession of a kilo to demonstrate a point?

    JD (b63a52)

  205. The DC AG just lost a case where large capacity clips were in a car loaded with a gun,

    Absolute lie

    JD (b63a52)

  206. Milhouse

    Facts, please – where was Gregory convicted?

    EPWJ (c5f1fc)

  207. Gregory was doing a PSA

    Lie.

    JD (b63a52)

  208. JD

    Sure, Jay H linked it in this very thread

    Unlike Mr. Gregory, Mr. Brinkley followed the police orders by placing his Glock 22 in a box with a big padlock in the trunk of his Dodge Charger. The two ordinary, 15-round magazines were not in the gun, and he did not have any ammunition with him.

    The account I read was one of the clips were loaded, but even if they were unloaded the Judge isnt going to convict people for having unloaded clips JD

    EPWJ (c5f1fc)

  209. A jury acquitted. Yet you continue to lie. No judge threw it out.

    JD (b63a52)

  210. Here come the Seahawks.

    JD (b63a52)

  211. The judge sided with Mr. Brinkley, saying he had met the burden of proof that he was legally transporting. Mr. Brinkley was found not guilty on all firearms-related charges, including for the “high-capacity” magazines, and he was left with a $50 traffic ticket.

    EPWJ (c5f1fc)

  212. On that tiny point, you appear correct. That is the first time you have not lied in this thread. Bravo.

    JD (b63a52)

  213. Judge isnt going to convict people for having unloaded clips

    The law says they must

    Meckler had to take a plea despite not having a gun.

    JD (b63a52)

  214. I will check back later, after EPWJ. He is into the Ritz Carlton in Doha for an international investment seminar

    JD (b63a52)

  215. I hate not so instant replay.

    mg (31009b)

  216. Folks, if you don’t stop feeding the troll, then he’s won.

    Beldar (008c16)

  217. Or put another way: Even Andy Dufresne figured out that there was no point continuing the discussion over why Warden Norton was insisting upon being so obtuse.

    Let’s instead return our attention to trying to tunnel out of the dungeon in which Obama and his gang have imprisoned the country.

    Beldar (008c16)

  218. Too bad Janet Reno isn’t the Decider-in-Chief on this David Gregory issue—we all know the lengths she went to in order to serve warrants for illegal possession of a firearm.

    Ruby Ridge. Waco.

    I read somewhere that Elian Gonzales even had an illegal Red Ryder gun in his crib.

    Elephant Stone (45a71d)

  219. Let’s instead return our attention to trying to tunnel out of the dungeon in which Obama and his gang have imprisoned the country.

    Comment by Beldar (008c16) — 1/13/2013 @ 1:07 pm

    I agree and before people started calling names { said

    Lets get off the angry and move on everyone.

    Lets move on to winning the senate in 2014 and make Obama a lame ducky

    Comment by EPWJ (5050cc) — 1/11/2013 @ 8:01 pm

    EPWJ (c5f1fc)

  220. I agree and before people started calling names { said

    Before you continued telling lies and making stuff up, you mean.

    JD (b63a52)

  221. JD

    Citation please.

    EPWJ (c5f1fc)

  222. Citation please.

    See every comment above that ends with “Comment by EPWJ (c5f1fc) “. Except for 1, where you were apparently accidentally accurate.

    JD (b63a52)

  223. JD

    See thats progress!

    However you do seem to just contribute personal attacks to most of Pats threads

    EPWJ (c5f1fc)

  224. See what I mean? He feeds on all this.

    Simon Jester (c3b5ef)

  225. Comment by JD (b63a52) — 1/13/2013 @ 1:46 pm

    game, set and match to JD: we award, both ears, the tail and all four feet.

    redc1c4 (403dff)

  226. Milhouse

    Facts, please – where was Gregory convicted?

    He wasn’t. So f—ing what?

    Milhouse (c64d93)

  227. A jury acquitted. Yet you continue to lie. No judge threw it out.

    Jury? That’s the first I’ve heard of a jury in the Brinkley case. I thought the judge acquitted him.

    Milhouse (c64d93)

  228. The account I read was one of the clips were loaded, but even if they were unloaded the Judge isnt going to convict people for having unloaded clips

    Bulldust. He was acquitted because he was legally transporting his weapon through DC, and for no other reason. Had he not been, there is no question that he would have been convicted.

    Milhouse (c64d93)

  229. Too bad Janet Reno isn’t the Decider-in-Chief on this David Gregory issue—we all know the lengths she went to in order to serve warrants for illegal possession of a firearm.

    Ruby Ridge. Waco.

    Ruby Ridge was under the previous administration. Same BATF and FBI, though.

    Milhouse (c64d93)

  230. Jury? That’s the first I’ve heard of a jury in the Brinkley case

    I have long since admitted my mistake. I took acquitted to mean a jury found that. Forgot about bench trials.

    JD (b63a52)

  231. This is the same rhetorical tactic that EPWJ the POS troll has practiced for years. Repetition of the same faux “question” that had been responded to over and over. All to cover that he’s been shown to be an idiot and a fabricator.

    SPQR (768505)

  232. I cannot stand Bellicheat and Brady, but damn, they are good.

    JD (b63a52)

  233. I love Bellichek. He gets the most out of his players and they respect him for it. Year after year you here players praising him for his ability to teach the game.

    mg (31009b)

  234. The bonus with coach Bill – He treats the media like the garbage they are.

    mg (31009b)

  235. Shocka.

    Icy (2e0dcd)


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