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		<title>By: Helena</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2013/01/10/did-i-mention-that-we-have-a-huge-debt-problem/comment-page-2/#comment-1163390</link>
		<dc:creator>Helena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 13:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, if America had a debt problem in 2006, the Obama administration has certainly not done much lately to help!  I ( https://debtsblog.wordpress.com/ ) lost my job and nearly lost my house and my familiy becaue this country no longer can keep ownership of its own industries as my company was bought and ripped apart by a Chinese investment co.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if America had a debt problem in 2006, the Obama administration has certainly not done much lately to help!  I ( <a href="https://debtsblog.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">https://debtsblog.wordpress.com/</a> ) lost my job and nearly lost my house and my familiy becaue this country no longer can keep ownership of its own industries as my company was bought and ripped apart by a Chinese investment co.</p>
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		<title>By: Moneyrunner</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2013/01/10/did-i-mention-that-we-have-a-huge-debt-problem/comment-page-2/#comment-1146253</link>
		<dc:creator>Moneyrunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve has a point, but he’s asking the wrong question.  Between now and the advent of the financial catastrophe the media and the administration are not going to warn the people Steve calls “the public” about the problem.  “The public” is going to be as blindsided as they were when their houses dropped in price, their bank stocks became worthless and they were foreclosed on.  

So we can’t save “the public” and we can’t forestall the crash but we can survive it.  Lots of people always do.  What gives me hope is that we have seen mini-mass movements in the recent past.  Not enough to change the last election, but enough to see a lot more Chic-fil-A sandwiches sold.  And thanks to the best gun salesman in the history of the country, Barack Obama, we see men, women and couples buying guns and ammo at a record pace even as the media is demonizing them as crazed baby killers.  WE have ways of talking to each other unfiltered by the bird cage liner like the LA Times.

For example, despite the best efforts of the media and this administration, the reaction of school boards and local governments around the country is actually to follow the NRAs advice and increase armed police protection in schools.  My local paper, the Virginian Pilot, told Wayne LaPierre to shut up and sit down after his speech to the press.  Meanwhile the local gun shops are crowded and getting on a range is a two hour wait.  This morning the Virginian Pilot’s headline is about the increased police protection in local schools. 
 
What does this have to do with the financial crash coming up?  First we have to stop thinking that we have to change everybody’s (read “the public’s”) mind.  All we have to do is to talk amongst ourselves and then find a series of actions that we can take that will cushion the blow even if we can’t avoid it completely.  
Is there a magic bullet?  Buy guns and build a &lt;a href=&quot;http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/patriotic-group-build-armed-defensible-neighborhood-fortress&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;[object TextRange]&lt;/a&gt;?  Well, some people are doing that but it’s not practical for a lot of people.  Buy gold?  I have a problem seeing the local merchants accepting my gold coins.  But the collapse of the housing market tells us that there are things that we can do that will help us avoid much of the trouble.  People who were buying houses in 2003 – 2007 should have known they were buying into a speculative bubble.  It didn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out, all they had to do was go shopping for a house, stop and think about it, watch TV and see a whole channel devoted to flipping houses.   You could feel it in the air.  So you either rented or, as my son did, got a very good deal from a friend.

There are one or two things that people can do to make the next crash a lot easier.  First have no debt, or as small a debt as possible.  No car loans and no credit card debt, and pay off that mortgage fast (get one of Dave Ramsay’s books).  That leaves the “outgo” part of the “in go/out go” much smaller.  Second, don’t own any long term bonds or bond funds.  When the crisis hits, it will be a debt crisis and bonds are debt instruments.  The most likely move in bond prices is down and it’s going to come from two directions: downgrades and rising interest rates.  The 30 year Treasury bond yields roughly 3%.  If rates double, the price of this bond will drop by nearly 50%, and if it’s downgraded it will be even worse.

Anyway, that’s a start.  Think Camp of the Saints.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve has a point, but he’s asking the wrong question.  Between now and the advent of the financial catastrophe the media and the administration are not going to warn the people Steve calls “the public” about the problem.  “The public” is going to be as blindsided as they were when their houses dropped in price, their bank stocks became worthless and they were foreclosed on.  </p>
<p>So we can’t save “the public” and we can’t forestall the crash but we can survive it.  Lots of people always do.  What gives me hope is that we have seen mini-mass movements in the recent past.  Not enough to change the last election, but enough to see a lot more Chic-fil-A sandwiches sold.  And thanks to the best gun salesman in the history of the country, Barack Obama, we see men, women and couples buying guns and ammo at a record pace even as the media is demonizing them as crazed baby killers.  WE have ways of talking to each other unfiltered by the bird cage liner like the LA Times.</p>
<p>For example, despite the best efforts of the media and this administration, the reaction of school boards and local governments around the country is actually to follow the NRAs advice and increase armed police protection in schools.  My local paper, the Virginian Pilot, told Wayne LaPierre to shut up and sit down after his speech to the press.  Meanwhile the local gun shops are crowded and getting on a range is a two hour wait.  This morning the Virginian Pilot’s headline is about the increased police protection in local schools. </p>
<p>What does this have to do with the financial crash coming up?  First we have to stop thinking that we have to change everybody’s (read “the public’s”) mind.  All we have to do is to talk amongst ourselves and then find a series of actions that we can take that will cushion the blow even if we can’t avoid it completely.<br />
Is there a magic bullet?  Buy guns and build a <a href="http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/patriotic-group-build-armed-defensible-neighborhood-fortress" rel="nofollow">[object TextRange]</a>?  Well, some people are doing that but it’s not practical for a lot of people.  Buy gold?  I have a problem seeing the local merchants accepting my gold coins.  But the collapse of the housing market tells us that there are things that we can do that will help us avoid much of the trouble.  People who were buying houses in 2003 – 2007 should have known they were buying into a speculative bubble.  It didn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out, all they had to do was go shopping for a house, stop and think about it, watch TV and see a whole channel devoted to flipping houses.   You could feel it in the air.  So you either rented or, as my son did, got a very good deal from a friend.</p>
<p>There are one or two things that people can do to make the next crash a lot easier.  First have no debt, or as small a debt as possible.  No car loans and no credit card debt, and pay off that mortgage fast (get one of Dave Ramsay’s books).  That leaves the “outgo” part of the “in go/out go” much smaller.  Second, don’t own any long term bonds or bond funds.  When the crisis hits, it will be a debt crisis and bonds are debt instruments.  The most likely move in bond prices is down and it’s going to come from two directions: downgrades and rising interest rates.  The 30 year Treasury bond yields roughly 3%.  If rates double, the price of this bond will drop by nearly 50%, and if it’s downgraded it will be even worse.</p>
<p>Anyway, that’s a start.  Think Camp of the Saints.</p>
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		<title>By: gary gulrud</title>
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		<dc:creator>gary gulrud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 17:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[33. &quot;Did the Gov’t lie to us leading into the election&quot;

Did their lips move?  Secretary Solis moving on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>33. &#8220;Did the Gov’t lie to us leading into the election&#8221;</p>
<p>Did their lips move?  Secretary Solis moving on.</p>
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		<title>By: askeptic</title>
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		<dc:creator>askeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see that the numbers for Q4 are bubbling to the surface, and they don&#039;t look good.
From 2.5/Q3 to sub-1/Q4....Did the Gov&#039;t lie to us leading into the election (again)?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-11/us-q4-gdp-25-sub-1-under-six-months]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that the numbers for Q4 are bubbling to the surface, and they don&#8217;t look good.<br />
From 2.5/Q3 to sub-1/Q4&#8230;.Did the Gov&#8217;t lie to us leading into the election (again)?<br />
<a href="http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-11/us-q4-gdp-25-sub-1-under-six-months" rel="nofollow">http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-11/us-q4-gdp-25-sub-1-under-six-months</a></p>
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		<title>By: narciso</title>
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		<dc:creator>narciso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Short answer, Cramer, furthers the scam, and Schiff does not,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Short answer, Cramer, furthers the scam, and Schiff does not,</p>
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		<title>By: J.P.</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2013/01/10/did-i-mention-that-we-have-a-huge-debt-problem/comment-page-2/#comment-1145945</link>
		<dc:creator>J.P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, sweet Jesus, the first two minutes of this clip had me laughing so hard I couldn&#039;t stop! Good Heavens, you can&#039;t make this stuff up! Oh dear, it&#039;s sad when this is the funniest thing that I&#039;ve seen in weeks...

Thanks for the warning, Petey. (Not that it&#039;s gonna help much...)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, sweet Jesus, the first two minutes of this clip had me laughing so hard I couldn&#8217;t stop! Good Heavens, you can&#8217;t make this stuff up! Oh dear, it&#8217;s sad when this is the funniest thing that I&#8217;ve seen in weeks&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for the warning, Petey. (Not that it&#8217;s gonna help much&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2013/01/10/did-i-mention-that-we-have-a-huge-debt-problem/comment-page-2/#comment-1145853</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 09:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve,

What are you going to do to cure cancer?

Continuing to comment on blogs isn&#039;t helping much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>What are you going to do to cure cancer?</p>
<p>Continuing to comment on blogs isn&#8217;t helping much.</p>
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		<title>By: gahrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>gahrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 09:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can someone please explain to me why people like Cramer have their own show and this guy Schiff doesn&#039;t? He should have an hour every night on primetime.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone please explain to me why people like Cramer have their own show and this guy Schiff doesn&#8217;t? He should have an hour every night on primetime.</p>
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		<title>By: askeptic</title>
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		<dc:creator>askeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 01:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 1/11/2013 @ 8:28 am&lt;/i&gt;

Isn&#039;t that what the Left condemns when it is advised to rape victims to not resist, just to embrace the inevitable?

Why is it wrong for a rape victim to not resist, yet it is the acceptable response when an ever-encroaching government is slowly nibbling away at your Liberty &amp; Freedom.

Its better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.” ― Emiliano Zapata]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 1/11/2013 @ 8:28 am</i></p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that what the Left condemns when it is advised to rape victims to not resist, just to embrace the inevitable?</p>
<p>Why is it wrong for a rape victim to not resist, yet it is the acceptable response when an ever-encroaching government is slowly nibbling away at your Liberty &amp; Freedom.</p>
<p>Its better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.” ― Emiliano Zapata</p>
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		<title>By: daleyrocks</title>
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		<dc:creator>daleyrocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 22:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Yes, people accept that government is ‘too large’ but only in the abstract.&quot;

steve - I&#039;m glad you agree, because admitting there is a problem is the first step to finding a solution. Now if only the media and Democrat leadership will admit there is a problem we could be on our way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yes, people accept that government is ‘too large’ but only in the abstract.&#8221;</p>
<p>steve &#8211; I&#8217;m glad you agree, because admitting there is a problem is the first step to finding a solution. Now if only the media and Democrat leadership will admit there is a problem we could be on our way.</p>
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