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		<title>By: pong table</title>
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		<dc:creator>pong table</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the good writeup. It if truth be told was a leisure account it. Glance advanced to more added agreeable from you! By the way, how can we be in contact?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the good writeup. It if truth be told was a leisure account it. Glance advanced to more added agreeable from you! By the way, how can we be in contact?</p>
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		<title>By: Sammy Finkelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sammy Finkelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 08:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another article in the New York Times yesterday (January 10) an Op0-ed piece - says the whole Trillon dollar coin idea is unnecessary:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/10/opinion/an-escape-hatch-for-the-debt-ceiling.html

The Secretary of the Treasury could issue “registered warrants” - scrip - like California did. (or maybe notices instead of direct deposits  could be issued  and banks could be encouraged to credit them - if banks loaned money to customers at 0% and ntot the government, it wouldn&#039;t add to the debt.

Another idea I&#039;ve seen mentioned is consuls - perpetual bonds, paying only interest. Since they have no face value, they don&#039;t add to the debt. Only the interest, when due, adds to the debt.

Correction: The other article I mentioned in comment number 29 was also on January 10 - I said Jan 9 by mistake)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another article in the New York Times yesterday (January 10) an Op0-ed piece &#8211; says the whole Trillon dollar coin idea is unnecessary:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/10/opinion/an-escape-hatch-for-the-debt-ceiling.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/10/opinion/an-escape-hatch-for-the-debt-ceiling.html</a></p>
<p>The Secretary of the Treasury could issue “registered warrants” &#8211; scrip &#8211; like California did. (or maybe notices instead of direct deposits  could be issued  and banks could be encouraged to credit them &#8211; if banks loaned money to customers at 0% and ntot the government, it wouldn&#8217;t add to the debt.</p>
<p>Another idea I&#8217;ve seen mentioned is consuls &#8211; perpetual bonds, paying only interest. Since they have no face value, they don&#8217;t add to the debt. Only the interest, when due, adds to the debt.</p>
<p>Correction: The other article I mentioned in comment number 29 was also on January 10 &#8211; I said Jan 9 by mistake)</p>
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		<title>By: Sammy Finkelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sammy Finkelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 07:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Locus Classicus of the Trillion Dollar coin concept:

http://moslereconomics.com/2010/05/14/marshalls-latest/#comment-20736

Thread 45.

beowulf Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 5:03 pm

Option 5. &lt;blockquote&gt; &lt;i&gt; ...Congress could...
5. Authorize the US Mint to stamp $1 billion or even $1 trillion coins. Geithner could hand-deliver them to the Federal Reserve Building as needed. :o) &lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;/i&gt; At May 24th, 2010 at 8:29 pm, beowulf adds in a Reply that this is already legal. &lt;blockquote&gt; &lt;i&gt; ...Curiously enough Congress has already delegated to Tsy all the seignorage power authority it needs to mint a $1 trillion coin (even numismatic coins are legal tender at their face value and must be accepted by the Federal Reserve)– the catch is, its gotta be made of platinum... &lt;/i&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Locus Classicus of the Trillion Dollar coin concept:</p>
<p><a href="http://moslereconomics.com/2010/05/14/marshalls-latest/#comment-20736" rel="nofollow">http://moslereconomics.com/2010/05/14/marshalls-latest/#comment-20736</a></p>
<p>Thread 45.</p>
<p>beowulf Reply:<br />
May 23rd, 2010 at 5:03 pm</p>
<p>Option 5.<br />
<blockquote> <i> &#8230;Congress could&#8230;<br />
5. Authorize the US Mint to stamp $1 billion or even $1 trillion coins. Geithner could hand-deliver them to the Federal Reserve Building as needed. <img src='http://patterico.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> ) </i></p></blockquote>
<p>  At May 24th, 2010 at 8:29 pm, beowulf adds in a Reply that this is already legal.<br />
<blockquote> <i> &#8230;Curiously enough Congress has already delegated to Tsy all the seignorage power authority it needs to mint a $1 trillion coin (even numismatic coins are legal tender at their face value and must be accepted by the Federal Reserve)– the catch is, its gotta be made of platinum&#8230; </i> </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Sammy Finkelman</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2013/01/09/carney-i-wont-rule-out-the-trillion-dollar-coin/comment-page-2/#comment-1145379</link>
		<dc:creator>Sammy Finkelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 07:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donald Marron, the Director of the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center and former acting director of the Congressional Budget Office said they should be no more than $25 billion and even better is $1 billion or $1 million coins.\

http://taxvox.taxpolicycenter.org/2013/01/08/is-the-trillion-dollar-platinum-coin-clever-or-insane/

http://www.interfluidity.com/v2/3630.html

http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/09/news/economy/platinum-coin-debt-ceiling/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donald Marron, the Director of the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center and former acting director of the Congressional Budget Office said they should be no more than $25 billion and even better is $1 billion or $1 million coins.\</p>
<p><a href="http://taxvox.taxpolicycenter.org/2013/01/08/is-the-trillion-dollar-platinum-coin-clever-or-insane/" rel="nofollow">http://taxvox.taxpolicycenter.org/2013/01/08/is-the-trillion-dollar-platinum-coin-clever-or-insane/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.interfluidity.com/v2/3630.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.interfluidity.com/v2/3630.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/09/news/economy/platinum-coin-debt-ceiling/" rel="nofollow">http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/09/news/economy/platinum-coin-debt-ceiling/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sammy Finkelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sammy Finkelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 07:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The New York Times had two articles (at least) dealing with this on January 9, 2013.

One was kind of like a whimsical survey:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/10/business/a-trillion-dollar-coin-brings-a-jackpot-of-jests.html

It mentions Carney: &lt;blockquote&gt; &lt;i&gt; There is no Plan B, there is no backup plan. There is Congress’s responsibility to pay the bills of the United States,” said Jay Carney, the White House press secretary, who responded to a dozen questions about the trillion-dollar coin at a news conference. “I have no coins in my pocket,” he later added.

But Mr. Carney did not rule the idea out explicitly, deferring later questions to the Treasury Department. 

That has left a few supporters hoping that in one of his last acts in office, Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner might trot out a shiny platinum coin emblazoned with “In God We Trust” and a 1 with 12 zeros behind it. &lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;/i&gt; I think such coins would  obviously have to be numbered, and have a QR code and a website on it which somebody could look up to see whether or not the coin had been made into money. Coins don&#039;t become money when they are stuck. Something else has to happen.

And if it was stolen, the Secretary of the Treasury would just demonitize it and replace it with another one. I think maybe you could do that. I don&#039;t think any bank would just ignore that and take the coin.

Anyway, it would probably stay in the vault of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, 80 feet below 33 Liberty Street. 

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=5835433&amp;page=1

There&#039;s more gold there than at Fort Knox. Almost all of it belongs to other countries. When one country transfers gold to another they move it from one place to another for a fee of $1.75 for each 28 pound gold bar (28 pounds = 448 ounces = about half a millon Dollars or so. There&#039;s around $200 billion there)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New York Times had two articles (at least) dealing with this on January 9, 2013.</p>
<p>One was kind of like a whimsical survey:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/10/business/a-trillion-dollar-coin-brings-a-jackpot-of-jests.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/10/business/a-trillion-dollar-coin-brings-a-jackpot-of-jests.html</a></p>
<p>It mentions Carney:<br />
<blockquote> <i> There is no Plan B, there is no backup plan. There is Congress’s responsibility to pay the bills of the United States,” said Jay Carney, the White House press secretary, who responded to a dozen questions about the trillion-dollar coin at a news conference. “I have no coins in my pocket,” he later added.</p>
<p>But Mr. Carney did not rule the idea out explicitly, deferring later questions to the Treasury Department. </p>
<p>That has left a few supporters hoping that in one of his last acts in office, Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner might trot out a shiny platinum coin emblazoned with “In God We Trust” and a 1 with 12 zeros behind it. </i></p></blockquote>
<p>  I think such coins would  obviously have to be numbered, and have a QR code and a website on it which somebody could look up to see whether or not the coin had been made into money. Coins don&#8217;t become money when they are stuck. Something else has to happen.</p>
<p>And if it was stolen, the Secretary of the Treasury would just demonitize it and replace it with another one. I think maybe you could do that. I don&#8217;t think any bank would just ignore that and take the coin.</p>
<p>Anyway, it would probably stay in the vault of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, 80 feet below 33 Liberty Street. </p>
<p><a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=5835433&#038;page=1" rel="nofollow">http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=5835433&#038;page=1</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s more gold there than at Fort Knox. Almost all of it belongs to other countries. When one country transfers gold to another they move it from one place to another for a fee of $1.75 for each 28 pound gold bar (28 pounds = 448 ounces = about half a millon Dollars or so. There&#8217;s around $200 billion there)</p>
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		<title>By: mojo</title>
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		<dc:creator>mojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t take any wooden nickels, Carney.</description>
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		<title>By: narciso</title>
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		<dc:creator>narciso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole absurdity reminds of a riff from the Hitchiker&#039;s Guide, where they describe one triangular coin, some thousands of miles on each side, that was never in use, because they couldn&#039;t make change,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole absurdity reminds of a riff from the Hitchiker&#8217;s Guide, where they describe one triangular coin, some thousands of miles on each side, that was never in use, because they couldn&#8217;t make change,</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So, when I take my billion dollar platinum coin into the grocery store, what happens if they can’t make change?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They just give you an IOU for 999 billion dollars, silly.  That way you both are a trillion dollars richer!

Has anyone seen the Beavis and Butthead episode called &#039;Candy Sale&#039;?  They keep buying eachother&#039;s school sale candy bars by lending eachother the same two dollars.  It seemingly works just fine as they deplete their candy.  I think that&#039;s what America is doing lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So, when I take my billion dollar platinum coin into the grocery store, what happens if they can’t make change?</p></blockquote>
<p>They just give you an IOU for 999 billion dollars, silly.  That way you both are a trillion dollars richer!</p>
<p>Has anyone seen the Beavis and Butthead episode called &#8216;Candy Sale&#8217;?  They keep buying eachother&#8217;s school sale candy bars by lending eachother the same two dollars.  It seemingly works just fine as they deplete their candy.  I think that&#8217;s what America is doing lately.</p>
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		<title>By: The Dana who outgrew D&#38;D</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dana who outgrew D&#38;D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It kind of tells you something about their history.  In the old Dungeons and Dragons role playing games, platinum pieces were the most valuable, better than silver or gold pieces.  So, now they want to mint a really, really cool platinum piece; think of all the experience points they&#039;ll get for that one!

I always knew Barack Hussein Obama was a half-orc!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It kind of tells you something about their history.  In the old Dungeons and Dragons role playing games, platinum pieces were the most valuable, better than silver or gold pieces.  So, now they want to mint a really, really cool platinum piece; think of all the experience points they&#8217;ll get for that one!</p>
<p>I always knew Barack Hussein Obama was a half-orc!</p>
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		<title>By: The confused Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>The confused Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, when I take my billion dollar platinum coin into the grocery store, what happens if they can&#039;t make change?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, when I take my billion dollar platinum coin into the grocery store, what happens if they can&#8217;t make change?</p>
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