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1/8/2013

Alabama – Repeats as National Champs

Filed under: General — JD @ 10:07 am

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Alabama kicked the snot out of Notre Dame last night. I am glad those BS calls early turned out to be meaningless.

Congrats, Alabama. Back-to-back, and 3 out of 4. That puts Nick Saban in pretty elite company.

– JD

77 Responses to “Alabama – Repeats as National Champs”

  1. Curb stomped them.

    JD (5ed6bd)

  2. the important thing is it keeps the kids off the streets

    happyfeet (ce327d)

  3. Alabama deserved the win, but those horrid calls early changed the game. First, Eifert clearly was in with a first down catch when the score was on 7-0, then when the Irish punted, there was clearly no interference and should’ve been Irish ball deep in Alabama territory. A TD there and it’s an entirely different game.

    NJRob (3e0828)

  4. Alabama deserved the win, but those horrid calls early changed the game.

    No question about that. Changed the momentum. Changed the tone.

    JD (5ed6bd)

  5. That punt-return interference call in particular was jaw-droppingly bad… as was the network officiating consultant’s excuse for it.

    Leviticus (17b7a5)

  6. What does a man have to do to get a white-knuckle BCS championship game in this joint, anyway?

    Leviticus (17b7a5)

  7. That punt-return interference call in particular was jaw-droppingly bad… as was the network officiating consultant’s excuse for it.

    A-freakin-men

    JD (5ed6bd)

  8. that will teach Neuter Dame to give our SCOAMF an honorary degree…

    G*d was obviously not pleased with them.

    redc1c4 (403dff)

  9. In the Third Book of Moses, it was asked:

    What does a man have to do to get a white-knuckle BCS championship game in this joint, anyway?

    That’s easy: make sure that both teams are from the Southeastern Conference.

    The Dana who was graduated from an SEC school (3e4784)

  10. Saban may be in elite company, but he’s still a dick.

    egd (d580cc)

  11. Te’o got exposed. His weaknesses were hidden because their defensive linemen were better than most of the people they played against before last night. No NFL team that knows what they’re doing would use a first round pick on him.

    Gerald A (f26857)

  12. ND went into the championship game rated #1 by the BCS, while guys willing to put their money down favored Alabama by a wide margin, 9 to 10 points. That fact, plus ND’s poor performance, puts the lie to BCS rankings.

    The current system is an obvious failure. ND had an unbeaten record but they didn’t belong on the same field as the SEC champs.

    The real National Championship game was the match-up of Alabama and Georgia.

    (Whitey Nisson, et al, got it right. See comments 33-42 on the Chuck Hagel Open Thread.)

    ropelight (38cc05)

  13. Which SEC school, Dana?

    norcal (805720)

  14. Te’o got 10 tackles, didn’t he? That’s not “exposed,” that’s still a pretty good game against a really good team. Making it a really good game.

    Leviticus (17b7a5)

  15. Hmmm. That makes a rather compelling case.

    Leviticus (17b7a5)

  16. Notre Lame, excellent game. Try getting more eye appealing helmets…

    Kevin P. (1df29c)

  17. The idea that Te’o was “exposed” is silly. Alabama’s OL destroyed ND’s, plain and simple. He missed a couple tackles, and bit on play action a couple times. It is shocking, that a LB might bite on play action when the other team is running downhill so effectively.

    LSU and A&M were the only teams on their schedule to keep them under 30 points all year.

    JD (5ed6bd)

  18. I saw AL first game this season and their only weakness was in the defense on the passing game — unless you ran a great passing attack, you had no chance.

    Rodney King's Spirit (951136)

  19. Comment by JD (5ed6bd) — 1/8/2013 @ 1:11 pm

    Let’s see where he’s drafted. I’m no expert but that article I linked says he’s not that physical. I think he drops out of the first round.

    Gerald A (f26857)

  20. Here’s an article on Te’o likely dropping in the draft.

    Gerald A (f26857)

  21. It would have been fun to see Alabama play a team with more speed.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  22. JD- Champions overcome bad calls, kick ass and don’t whine.

    mg (31009b)

  23. So for the last four years, a university in the state of Alabama has owned the BCS trophy…

    SEC teams have won the championship 9 times since it started.

    Only one SEC team has ever lost the BCS championship game and that SEC team was beaten by the other SEC team playing in that game.

    The SEC is the ONLY conference that matters in college football…

    WarEagle82 (97b777)

  24. The Bears beat the Redskins 73-0 in the 1940 NFL Championship game. Trailing 7-0 in the first quarter, the Redskins missed a chance to tie the score when one of their receivers dropped a pass in the end zone.

    After the game, a reporter asked Redskin QB Sammy Baugh if the outcome would have been different if the receiver had held on to the ball.

    “Sure,” Baugh replied, “it would have been 73-7.”

    Whitey Nisson (7bb1d5)

  25. 24 & 25
    Sipping a fresh brewed cup of Costa Rican and smiling.

    mg (31009b)

  26. In a somewhat related note: those of you who watched the game may have noticed that the cameras showed several shots of Alabama QB A.J. McCarron’s girlfriend, a rather attractive young woman who is Miss Alabama.

    Darnell Dockett of the Arizona Cardinals was so smitten that he used Twitter to ask the her out. Unfortunately, instead of sending a private Tweet, Dockett accidently sent the invitation (which included his phone number) to his public Twitter account for all the world to see.

    By the way, according to the Tweet in question, Dockett asked Miss Alabama to join him after the game for a plate of wings at a local strip club.

    Like old Granny Nisson used to say, you can’t buy class.

    Whitey Nisson (7bb1d5)

  27. The SEC is the ONLY conference that matters in college football…

    Real conferences don’t care about the BCS championship, we’ve got our own bowl games that have far more history, prestige and relevance than the BCS will ever have.

    I’d rather see my team in the Rose Bowl on New Years Day than some randomly selected NFL stadium on a Monday night in the middle of January.

    egd (920467)

  28. The SEC is the ONLY conference that matters in college football…

    I agree the SEC is a cut above the other conferences, but I don’t agree it’s the only one that matters. Alabama’s only loss was to a team that just moved from the Big 12. Granted, it has a new QB and coach but when it was in the Big 12, it was average.

    Plus, I like SEC defenses but their offenses are often boring.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  29. I guess it can get boring to watch SEC offenses rack up 400 and 500+ yard games week after week after week, especially when they are doing it to your teams…

    The Rose Bowl usually has lovely floats and weather but FOOTBALL is played in the SEC and that is what matters to college football.

    WarEagle82 (97b777)

  30. Gerald – what makes a great player in college compared to Sundays are quite different. There are countless college stars who do not translate to the NFL. Dropping to the 2nd or 3rd round is no biggie. Brady was a 6th rounder.

    Congrats, SEC. Your fans never fail to be d-bags.

    JD (5ed6bd)

  31. I don’t want to play the scold, but…

    There’s no doubt the SEC is the dominant conference with a concentration of top quality teams, but there are good teams, some of them damn good, in other conferences too and they deserve recognition.

    To overstate the superiority of the SEC is to tarnish it’s achievements. We can acknowledge the accomplishments of the Southeastern Conference without resorting to denigrating other conferences or other teams.

    Champions can be gracious, let the excuse makers have their say, but above all, let’s keep things in perspective.

    ropelight (38cc05)

  32. I would have liked to have seen Alabama play Oregon. That would have been a good game.

    Leviticus (17b7a5)

  33. when the Irish punted, there was clearly no interference and should’ve been Irish ball deep in Alabama territory

    I’ll give you the incorrect call on the catch by ND, but there’s still a small distance that must be maintained when a fair catch is called for. While the drop was not directly caused by contact with ND’s man, he was still blatantly within the separating distance that should have been maintained, and it is easy to argue that as a distraction to the player making the fair catch and contributory to his dropping it.

    Even IF both were correct, though, that still comes down to the fact that ND didn’t get ticked by it and start playing harder. You’re acking that, if it did anything, it took the wind out of their sails… and THAT is not the response of an NC to such.

    Alabama pretty much manhandled ND all over the field. They burnt ND’s secondary sufficiently that they could not regularly put 9 guys in the box, dominated the line of scrimmage with only 7 to ND’s 9 and giving AJ the time to keep the play-action open and a threat, which kept ND from having any hope of shutting down the Tide’s running game. I might not recall it, but did ND ever blitz successfully?

    ND was what was expected, a damned good team playing against one that was well above their weight class. I believe that UGA could almost certainly have beaten ND, and of the rest of the SEC, there’s a pretty good chance TA&M, USC, and UF might have managed it (I give UF the least chance because of the utter one-dimensionality of their offense this year). ND just wasn’t prepared to handle a top-notch defense like a number of SEC teams have right now. The only reason they might have played with those latter three is because they don’t quite have an NC offense this year.

    The SEC rules when it comes to college football. a 6-3 record this year is DOWN for them… it’s still a 67% win record.

    Funny enough, the Big Least is the only team with a marginally better “all bowls” win percentage since the BCS began in 1998, and the only other conference with a positive (and also marginally better) percentage in BCS bowls is the PAC. The SEC dominates both all bowls and BCS bowls.
    Records here

    IGotBupkis, Legally Defined Cyberbully in All 57 States (98ae1f)

  34. What does a man have to do to get a white-knuckle BCS championship game in this joint, anyway?

    Institute a playoff system, so that the last two teams are SEC teams, like they ought to be. :-D

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLLLLLLLL.

    IGotBupkis, Legally Defined Cyberbully in All 57 States (98ae1f)

  35. JD- Champions overcome bad calls, kick ass and don’t whine.

    Someone beat me to it. *whine* :-)

    That’s easy: make sure that both teams are from the Southeastern Conference.

    AGAIN!! *sniffle*!! :-D

    IGotBupkis, Legally Defined Cyberbully in All 57 States (98ae1f)

  36. Real conferences don’t care about the BCS championship, we’ve got our own bowl games that have far more history, prestige and relevance than the BCS will ever have.

    I’d rather see my team in the Rose Bowl on New Years Day than some randomly selected NFL stadium on a Monday night in the middle of January.

    Yeah! Yeah! And your little dog, Toto, TOO!!

    LOLZ.

    Plus, I like SEC defenses but their offenses are often boring.

    LOL, it was the SEC that brought Pro-style offenses to college football, via Steve Spurrier taking it and showing how it could be made to work against SEC Defenses (The PAC played them first but not against good defense).

    It took the SEC defenses a decade to catch up, but now they’re both at the same high level.

    I guess it can get boring to watch SEC offenses rack up 400 and 500+ yard games week after week after week, especially when they are doing it to your teams…

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ —- What he said.

    Congrats, SEC. Your fans never fail to be d-bags.

    Dude, the SEC has no special recruitment program for d-bags. Given the number of ridiculous whiners who complained all year long about how the SEC was sooooooooo overrated… who then danced when they went 3-3 in the first six games (gasp!!! 50%!?!? They SUCK!! LOLZ) and probably are still complaining about how the SEC are overrated now that they finished 6-3, and — face it — Opened up one quart-sized can of whoopass against ND — you can trust me — lots of mighty big d-bags in other conferences. :-D

    IGotBupkis, Legally Defined Cyberbully in All 57 States (98ae1f)

  37. N.D. is the home of d-bags, all the way back to Ara Parseghian.

    mg (31009b)

  38. Who has dropped more in stature Te’o or the republican party?

    mg (31009b)

  39. The ESPN Insider looked at the SEC offenses last year but the article is behind a paywall. I found it at this OU Sooner website and I think it’s accurate for this year, too.

    As for losing to an SEC team, I’m sure my team would lose badly to Alabama (as they have in the past). So feel free to blame sour grapes. The SEC ground-game offenses are effective but that doesn’t make them exciting.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  40. Mg / bupkis -

    Alabama kicked the snot out of Notre Dame last night. I am glad those BS calls early turned out to be meaningless.

    Congrats, Alabama. Back-to-back, and 3 out of 4. That puts Nick Saban in pretty elite company.

    Explain to me why this is whining rather than an acknowledgement that Alabama was vastly superior.

    Leviticus – love Oregon. Only team in college football that dynamic. Leach at Wash St will get there.

    DRJ – Amen

    JD (5ed6bd)

  41. JD,

    It would have been awesome to see the “Barner/Thomas vs. Lacy/Yeldon” matchup play out. Speed vs. Brawn. Exciting stuff. I would have liked to have seen how the Bama defense dealt with the speed of a player like DeAnthony Thomas.

    Leviticus (17b7a5)

  42. I hear Saban is going to celebrate by oversigning 30 kids to LOIs.

    It’s a shame for all those useless upperclassmen who will suddenly find out about their “carrer-ending injuries”.

    TomB (4a72e4)

  43. Like the way windshields deal with jitterbugs.

    ropelight (f59dee)

  44. If Oregon hadn’t lost that home game to Stanford, they wouldn’t be left standing around hypothesizing, “what if…”

    Notre Dame, the team that Oregon fans say shouldn’t have been in the championship game, actually defeated Stanford.

    The SEC, on the other hand, has for each of the last seven seasons said, “We did” rather than “what if…”

    I think the funniest aspect of the Pac-12 is how USC was the preseason #1.
    There was all this talk about how they were gonna put a smack-down on this team, and on that team.
    They fumbled and bumbled and finished the season 7-6.
    Oof !

    Elephant Stone (8adda3)

  45. Windshields have more empathy.

    TomB (4a72e4)

  46. Norcal asked:

    Which SEC school, Dana?

    Kentucky, which stinks at football. :(

    The Dana who was graduated from an SEC school (3e4784)

  47. Kentucky, which stinks at football.

    And cheats at basketball.

    JD (5ed6bd)

  48. Preseason prognostication is notoriously accurate.

    JD (5ed6bd)

  49. Leviticus – no quibble with that whatsoever.

    JD (5ed6bd)

  50. DRJ wrote:

    Plus, I like SEC defenses but their offenses are often boring.

    The Tide scored 42 points; I don’t see how that was boring. However, those SEC defenses win championships, eight out of the last ten.

    And while ‘Bama is the champion this year, in the last twenty years, the SEC has produced eleven national champions, from five different colleges: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Tennessee and LSU.

    The Dana who can keep score (3e4784)

  51. “I hear Saban is going to celebrate by oversigning 30 kids to LOIs.”

    TomB – I hear Saban is going to celebrate by signing to coach another college for more money.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  52. The biggest problem for SEC schools is that they have to play other SEC schools. Notre Dame wound up number one, because they were undefeated, and they did play some good schools. Going undefeated in the SEC is a huge feat.

    The Dana who was graduated from UK (3e4784)

  53. Yeah, there’s no “speed” in the SEC. It would have been great to see Oregon’s fast offense play against Alabama’s slow defense, because Alabama’s never had to defend against anyone who is actually fast. (roll of the eyes)

    Good Lord, LSU beat Oregon by two touchdowns in 2011 when LSU started their lame-ass back-up quarterback, and that was after Auburn held Oregon’s offense in check in the championship game a couple years ago.
    Some of those past vaunted Oregon offenses got rolled by TCU and Boise State in non-conference games. What was it, three or four years ago, when Oregon had that train LaGarrett Blount who is now doing well in the NFL for Tampa—well, Oregon lost to Boise State that season.
    Also, Oregon’s star QB Jeremiah Masoli was kicked off the team, then transferred to Ole Miss in the SEC, where he soon learned what a fast defense was all about. He was used to running circles around Washington State, but couldn’t do jack-shit in the SEC.

    This season, if Oregon had beaten Stanford at home,….

    If only…

    Elephant Stone (8adda3)

  54. Nobody suggested that there was no speed in the SEC, Elephant. That Boise team that beat Oregon? They beat Adrian Petersen and OU that same year. And then that horrible Boise team won at Georgia. WTF does Masoli transferring have to do with the price of beans?

    It is nice to know that unless you worship the SEC, you opinions will be immediately discarded.

    JD (5ed6bd)

  55. Looked up Masoli’s stats. They do not support your position. Before getting kicked off team in Oregon, his stats were approx 2200 passing and 600 rushing. In his first year at Ole Miss, new system new coach, approx 2100 passing and 500 rushing, a decrease of approx 8 yards a game passing ad rushing.

    JD (8c9367)

  56. As I said, the SEC is the premier conference and has the best defenses. I used to love grind-it-out offenses but now I like speed better. For me, it’s a lot more fun to watch high-scoring games, fast running backs, and fast receivers — some of whom are in the SEC but not many.

    Of course, I understand how people might disagree, especially SEC fans who understandably love their teams and rivalries. However, even the biggest SEC fans should admit that good defenses make it harder to field good offenses.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  57. JD-Comments at 4 and 7 seem whiney.

    mg (31009b)

  58. It was actually a great game but only a fan of traditional, smash-mouth football would say LSU 9, Bama 6 (in overtime) was exciting offense.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  59. JD – mg knows whiney.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  60. SEC teams are almost as good as SEC fans are insufferable.

    JVW (4826a9)

  61. TomB – I hear Saban is going to celebrate by signing to coach another college for more money.

    But only after explicitly and emphatically stating he was NOT LEAVING.

    TomB (4a72e4)

  62. SEC teams are almost as good as SEC fans are insufferable.

    Perhaps the lowpoint in this mess was on ESPN’s College Gameday broadcast at the SEC championship game. As Georgia and Alabama fans got together and instead of chanting their teams names, they all got together and chanted “SEC, SEC!!!”.

    I could see that happening at an Ohio State – Michigan game. “Big10, Big10!!!”

    Heh.

    TomB (4a72e4)

  63. Mg – do you think those were good calls? I stated that I thought they were bad calls, that changed the momentum of the game, but stated unequivocally that I thought they had no bearing on the beating AL laid down on ND.

    JD (8c9367)

  64. I have a hard time believing Georgia was the second best team in the country after watching the best down they took from SC.

    JD (8c9367)

  65. “It was actually a great game but only a fan of traditional, smash-mouth football would say LSU 9, Bama 6 (in overtime) was exciting offense.”

    - DRJ

    I dunno. That was one of the most intense games I’ve ever seen. But you’re right, it wasn’t because of the offense.

    Leviticus (1aca67)

  66. JD,

    I apologize if I appeared too obnoxious.

    Actually, the year (2009) that Oregon’s powerful offense lost to Boise State by a score of 19-8, Boise did not go on to defeat Oklahoma later that season in the wacky ending to the Bowl game. You’re confusing that season with an earlier year (2007). In the 2009 season, Boise State played TCU in a bowl game. And Oregon went on to lose to Ohio State in the Rose Bowl.

    Jeremy Masoli may have had only slightly worse stats playing at Ole Miss than at Oregon in 2010, but he had a difficult time adjusting to the faster defenses of the SEC.
    His NFL stock dropped among scouts, as a result.

    The point about Oregon’s past season’s losses to good non-conference teams is that those are the games in which the strength of conferences can be compared to one another head-to-head.

    As far as the speed of the SEC, I was merely having an obnoxious laugh at the hypothesis of Oregon’s speed demons being matched up against Alabama’s defense. It would be a fun match-up, however, Alabama’s defense plays against fast receivers and backs every week when they line up opposite LSU, Florida, Georgia, et al.

    Too bad the college football season has come to a close. Only six months until the pre-season magazine rankings (Street & Smith’s, Sporting News, et al) are released !

    Elephant Stone (3a6913)

  67. Jeremiah Masoli

    Leviticus (17b7a5)

  68. And his draft stock dropped because he kept getting arrested and kicked off teams.

    Leviticus (17b7a5)

  69. Dana,

    I was guessing you attended aTm or Florida. From Kentucky to southern California, huh? What a transition.

    norcal (5b57a1)

  70. norcal got it wrong:

    I was guessing you attended aTm or Florida. From Kentucky to southern California, huh? What a transition.

    Actually, there are two Danas who comment here: the much prettier Dana lives in Southern California, while I live in Pennsylvania. You get all of the descriptions in my handle to differentiate between us.

    That said, I was born in Oakland, but mostly grew up in Kentucky, after a brief stint in Maine.

    The Dana in Pennsylvania (f68855)

  71. JD – Agree the calls were not good. If they had no relevance why bring them up?

    mg (31009b)

  72. And his draft stock dropped because he kept getting arrested and kicked off teams.

    Yeah, that. And his stock towards the NFL I don’t recall ever being high. He had an average arm with good wheels.

    Regardless, his transition from Pac10 to SEC does not support your claim.

    Congrats, Alabama. I hope the SEC wins every national title from now until the end of time and we structure the playoff system to award National Champ to SEC winner a d the rest can fight it out amongst themselves for the best of the horrible.

    JD (8c9367)

  73. JD – Agree the calls were not good. If they had no relevance why bring them up?

    Because it is the national championship game. And they were bad calls. And if you do t think that a 3 and out and then having a turnover taken away had no effect at all

    JD (8c9367)

  74. Dana in Pennsylvania,

    Thank you for setting me straight. I will now be more deft at distinguishing the Danas.

    norcal (27ffb3)

  75. Hey dumbasses, if you’re going to comment on the “horrid” and “jaw-droppingly bad” calls, do yourselves a favor and hit up the rule book

    Rule 6-4-1: “a. It is an interference foul if, before the receiver touches the ball, a Team A player enters the area defined by the width of the receiver’s shoulders and extending one yard in front of him. When in question it is a foul.”

    Farley was right there in front of him, so it was a foul. What part of that rule don’t you stupid fucks understand?

    Orange (6cd1a4)

  76. http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/1/7/3848952/bcs-national-championship-fair-catch-interference-notre-dame-alabama

    Video of play in question. The only player in the one yard in front area is the Alabama teammate

    JD (b63a52)


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