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	<title>Comments on: Obama: No Spending Cuts That Hurt My Ability to Piss Away Money on Pet Projects, But Hey, How&#8217;s About Some More Taxes in the Form of Eliminating Deductions?</title>
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	<description>Harangues that just make sense</description>
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		<title>By: Milhouse</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2013/01/05/obama-no-spending-cuts-that-hurt-my-ability-to-piss-away-money-on-pet-projects-but-hey-hows-about-some-more-taxes-in-the-form-of-eliminating-deductions/comment-page-3/#comment-1143301</link>
		<dc:creator>Milhouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 04:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s time to repeal the 16th-Amendment, which will stop all of this arguing about what constitutes income.&lt;/blockquote&gt;No, it won&#039;t, because Congress has always had the power to tax wages.  The 16th amendment is only about taxing income derived from property, which the Supreme Court decided amounted to taxing property itself; I think today&#039;s court would reject that theory 9-0, but even if it didn&#039;t the vast majority of people get their income from working, and there&#039;s never been any question that Congress can tax that, 16th or no 16th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It’s time to repeal the 16th-Amendment, which will stop all of this arguing about what constitutes income.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, it won&#8217;t, because Congress has always had the power to tax wages.  The 16th amendment is only about taxing income derived from property, which the Supreme Court decided amounted to taxing property itself; I think today&#8217;s court would reject that theory 9-0, but even if it didn&#8217;t the vast majority of people get their income from working, and there&#8217;s never been any question that Congress can tax that, 16th or no 16th.</p>
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		<title>By: NJRob</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2013/01/05/obama-no-spending-cuts-that-hurt-my-ability-to-piss-away-money-on-pet-projects-but-hey-hows-about-some-more-taxes-in-the-form-of-eliminating-deductions/comment-page-3/#comment-1143214</link>
		<dc:creator>NJRob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 23:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just remember though that all sides play games with terminology in order to make their side look reasonable and the other side wicked. It just happens that the policies of the President will lead to more economic inactivity and the need for greater government roles in our lives. If you feel that&#039;s appropriate, vote for his party. If you feel otherwise, you&#039;re stuck at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just remember though that all sides play games with terminology in order to make their side look reasonable and the other side wicked. It just happens that the policies of the President will lead to more economic inactivity and the need for greater government roles in our lives. If you feel that&#8217;s appropriate, vote for his party. If you feel otherwise, you&#8217;re stuck at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: NJRob</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2013/01/05/obama-no-spending-cuts-that-hurt-my-ability-to-piss-away-money-on-pet-projects-but-hey-hows-about-some-more-taxes-in-the-form-of-eliminating-deductions/comment-page-3/#comment-1143212</link>
		<dc:creator>NJRob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 23:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He’s arguing like a lawyer who’s decided to take on a case, for whatever reason, without any consideration as to the actual merits of what’s he is arguing for. He’s not reasoning or arguing like an honest person.

Everything he does on the budget is like that.

Comment by Sammy Finkelman (60fff5) — 1/6/2013 @ 11:12 am&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree wholeheartedly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He’s arguing like a lawyer who’s decided to take on a case, for whatever reason, without any consideration as to the actual merits of what’s he is arguing for. He’s not reasoning or arguing like an honest person.</p>
<p>Everything he does on the budget is like that.</p>
<p>Comment by Sammy Finkelman (60fff5) — 1/6/2013 @ 11:12 am</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree wholeheartedly.</p>
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		<title>By: daleyrocks</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2013/01/05/obama-no-spending-cuts-that-hurt-my-ability-to-piss-away-money-on-pet-projects-but-hey-hows-about-some-more-taxes-in-the-form-of-eliminating-deductions/comment-page-3/#comment-1143190</link>
		<dc:creator>daleyrocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 21:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graphs and numbers confuse Sammy. He is better with sooper seekrit intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graphs and numbers confuse Sammy. He is better with sooper seekrit intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: narciso</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2013/01/05/obama-no-spending-cuts-that-hurt-my-ability-to-piss-away-money-on-pet-projects-but-hey-hows-about-some-more-taxes-in-the-form-of-eliminating-deductions/comment-page-3/#comment-1143187</link>
		<dc:creator>narciso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 21:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t think the Terminators would be so narrow in their focus,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t think the Terminators would be so narrow in their focus,</p>
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		<title>By: askeptic</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2013/01/05/obama-no-spending-cuts-that-hurt-my-ability-to-piss-away-money-on-pet-projects-but-hey-hows-about-some-more-taxes-in-the-form-of-eliminating-deductions/comment-page-3/#comment-1143182</link>
		<dc:creator>askeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 21:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sammy disputes the actuary, the Death Panels will confirm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sammy disputes the actuary, the Death Panels will confirm.</p>
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		<title>By: Sammy Finkelman</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2013/01/05/obama-no-spending-cuts-that-hurt-my-ability-to-piss-away-money-on-pet-projects-but-hey-hows-about-some-more-taxes-in-the-form-of-eliminating-deductions/comment-page-3/#comment-1143170</link>
		<dc:creator>Sammy Finkelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 20:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the Social Security actuary, deaths for people aged 55-59 begin climbing dramatically like a hockey stick, at about the year 2017 or 2018, about the time Obamacare is fully implemented.

The death rate reaches 100% in 2028, but only for that age group. 

They rise slightly for those aged 60-64,  reaching abut 18% by 2030, at which point the death rate for those aged 75-79 are lower.

I guess the &quot;death panels&quot; will only affect people not receiving Medicare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the Social Security actuary, deaths for people aged 55-59 begin climbing dramatically like a hockey stick, at about the year 2017 or 2018, about the time Obamacare is fully implemented.</p>
<p>The death rate reaches 100% in 2028, but only for that age group. </p>
<p>They rise slightly for those aged 60-64,  reaching abut 18% by 2030, at which point the death rate for those aged 75-79 are lower.</p>
<p>I guess the &#8220;death panels&#8221; will only affect people not receiving Medicare.</p>
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		<title>By: Sammy Finkelman</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2013/01/05/obama-no-spending-cuts-that-hurt-my-ability-to-piss-away-money-on-pet-projects-but-hey-hows-about-some-more-taxes-in-the-form-of-eliminating-deductions/comment-page-3/#comment-1143167</link>
		<dc:creator>Sammy Finkelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 20:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>48.. Yes I saw that article. The projections by the Social Security Department&#039;s Office of Chief Actuary contain patent absurdities.

For instance.

1. In the year 2028, every person then between the ages of 55 and 59 will die. (that is, before they can collect Social Security benefits)

These would be people born between 1969 and 1973.

What are they predicting: A biologically re-engineered smallpox epidemic?

2. People aged 60-64 will also have a somewhat higher then now, and it will exceed deaths in the 65-69, 70-74 and 75-79 age brackets.

3. For all those except those between 55 and 65 death rates will continue to decline.  While over 80% of those aged 99-99 now die every year, in the year 2028, it will be barely over 50%. (they all got vaccinated for smallpox) 

4. Mortality from strokes and other vascular diseases will drop faster for those aged 65-69 than those aged 60-64 to the point where the lines will cross around the year 2060. Now this contradicts human nature. In general the risk of death doubles for every 8 years gained in age. 

Sometimes of course special causes causes fewer deaths proportionally among older people than younger - usually this could happen with some infectious diseases.

5. The actuary does not notice that fewer people are smoking (this costs Social Security money as more people live) and more people are obese (if this leads to deaths, this saves Social Security money)

6. Retirement itself may cause an increase in mortality.

Their calculations are explained at:

http://gking.harvard.edu/gking/publications/statistical-security-social-security

What I say, is that we should assume that the current (dismal) economic projections are any better.

Congressman Jerrold Nadler has said for years Social Security is overfunded (or he used to say it) because it projects low rates of economic growth over time, but this article discusses other peculiarities. 

It;s kind of ridiculous to assume that the on;y errors are in regard to health and that they all make the Social Security system look more solvent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>48.. Yes I saw that article. The projections by the Social Security Department&#8217;s Office of Chief Actuary contain patent absurdities.</p>
<p>For instance.</p>
<p>1. In the year 2028, every person then between the ages of 55 and 59 will die. (that is, before they can collect Social Security benefits)</p>
<p>These would be people born between 1969 and 1973.</p>
<p>What are they predicting: A biologically re-engineered smallpox epidemic?</p>
<p>2. People aged 60-64 will also have a somewhat higher then now, and it will exceed deaths in the 65-69, 70-74 and 75-79 age brackets.</p>
<p>3. For all those except those between 55 and 65 death rates will continue to decline.  While over 80% of those aged 99-99 now die every year, in the year 2028, it will be barely over 50%. (they all got vaccinated for smallpox) </p>
<p>4. Mortality from strokes and other vascular diseases will drop faster for those aged 65-69 than those aged 60-64 to the point where the lines will cross around the year 2060. Now this contradicts human nature. In general the risk of death doubles for every 8 years gained in age. </p>
<p>Sometimes of course special causes causes fewer deaths proportionally among older people than younger &#8211; usually this could happen with some infectious diseases.</p>
<p>5. The actuary does not notice that fewer people are smoking (this costs Social Security money as more people live) and more people are obese (if this leads to deaths, this saves Social Security money)</p>
<p>6. Retirement itself may cause an increase in mortality.</p>
<p>Their calculations are explained at:</p>
<p><a href="http://gking.harvard.edu/gking/publications/statistical-security-social-security" rel="nofollow">http://gking.harvard.edu/gking/publications/statistical-security-social-security</a></p>
<p>What I say, is that we should assume that the current (dismal) economic projections are any better.</p>
<p>Congressman Jerrold Nadler has said for years Social Security is overfunded (or he used to say it) because it projects low rates of economic growth over time, but this article discusses other peculiarities. </p>
<p>It;s kind of ridiculous to assume that the on;y errors are in regard to health and that they all make the Social Security system look more solvent.</p>
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		<title>By: askeptic</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2013/01/05/obama-no-spending-cuts-that-hurt-my-ability-to-piss-away-money-on-pet-projects-but-hey-hows-about-some-more-taxes-in-the-form-of-eliminating-deductions/comment-page-3/#comment-1143159</link>
		<dc:creator>askeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 20:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Comment by askeptic (2bb434) — 1/6/2013 @ 10:32 am
There’s a shiite storm coming, and it won’t be pleasant.

Comment by Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 1/6/2013 @ 10:47 am
And here the President is saying everything will be sunni.&lt;/i&gt;

Did these sail right over Sammy&#039;s head?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Comment by askeptic (2bb434) — 1/6/2013 @ 10:32 am<br />
There’s a shiite storm coming, and it won’t be pleasant.</p>
<p>Comment by Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 1/6/2013 @ 10:47 am<br />
And here the President is saying everything will be sunni.</i></p>
<p>Did these sail right over Sammy&#8217;s head?</p>
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		<title>By: askeptic</title>
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		<dc:creator>askeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 20:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...worry about China.&lt;/i&gt;
If our economy collapses, it will wipe out most of the foreign assets held by the Chinese.
China should be one of the greatest advocates for a sound, expanding, American economy as that is the only way they will be able to redeem the bonds they hold without taking a severe haircut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;worry about China.</i><br />
If our economy collapses, it will wipe out most of the foreign assets held by the Chinese.<br />
China should be one of the greatest advocates for a sound, expanding, American economy as that is the only way they will be able to redeem the bonds they hold without taking a severe haircut.</p>
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