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	<title>Comments on: Chevron Moves Hundreds of Employees to Texas from California</title>
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		<title>By: redc1c4</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2012/12/23/chevron-moves-hundreds-of-employees-to-texas-from-california/comment-page-3/#comment-1138250</link>
		<dc:creator>redc1c4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 03:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Resident Evil &amp; i are finally starting to discuss what it would take to GTFO of Failifornia, and Texas is on the short list of acceptable destinations.

if we pull the trigger and leave, wherever we land will get a little redder, not bluer. however, as we are both natives, it&#039;s an option we really don&#039;t want to exercise, but it&#039;s looking less and less like we&#039;ll have a choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Resident Evil &amp; i are finally starting to discuss what it would take to GTFO of Failifornia, and Texas is on the short list of acceptable destinations.</p>
<p>if we pull the trigger and leave, wherever we land will get a little redder, not bluer. however, as we are both natives, it&#8217;s an option we really don&#8217;t want to exercise, but it&#8217;s looking less and less like we&#8217;ll have a choice.</p>
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		<title>By: askeptic</title>
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		<dc:creator>askeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 03:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On leaving &quot;paradise&quot;....
IIRC when Nissan closed its HQ next to Ascot Speedway in Gardena (though they may have been located in that one-block wide strip that connected L.A. proper to Wilmington/San Pedro) and relocated to TN, they had many more volunteers to move than they had positions that were moving with a body.
A lot of their employees that made the move had to pay their own way, and this was 10 years ago when things were still looking up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On leaving &#8220;paradise&#8221;&#8230;.<br />
IIRC when Nissan closed its HQ next to Ascot Speedway in Gardena (though they may have been located in that one-block wide strip that connected L.A. proper to Wilmington/San Pedro) and relocated to TN, they had many more volunteers to move than they had positions that were moving with a body.<br />
A lot of their employees that made the move had to pay their own way, and this was 10 years ago when things were still looking up.</p>
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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 02:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>redc1c4,

If those comments are typical of 20%-40% of Californians, how many Chevron employees even tell their neighbors or friends where they work?  But it&#039;s also possible that the more conservative among them will be glad to transfer and the rest will look for other job opportunities, if possible.  

As one comment suggests, maybe the IT people can find other jobs that aren&#039;t oil and gas-related, but it strikes me as difficult for mid- to upper-lever people to find comparable pay and seniority.  But engineers, geologists, and other employees whose work is based on their oil and gas knowledge might not have many other options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>redc1c4,</p>
<p>If those comments are typical of 20%-40% of Californians, how many Chevron employees even tell their neighbors or friends where they work?  But it&#8217;s also possible that the more conservative among them will be glad to transfer and the rest will look for other job opportunities, if possible.  </p>
<p>As one comment suggests, maybe the IT people can find other jobs that aren&#8217;t oil and gas-related, but it strikes me as difficult for mid- to upper-lever people to find comparable pay and seniority.  But engineers, geologists, and other employees whose work is based on their oil and gas knowledge might not have many other options.</p>
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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 02:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe Beldar&#039;s hope is that, simply by working for an oil company, these employees will be more conservative and/or more receptive to conservative ideas. However, I agree with him that Texas oil and gas managers and employees are more conservative than business employees in general.  

Exploring for and producing oil and gas are risky ventures.  Thus, while people who do that for a living have to be risk-takers, the successful ones quickly learn to limit avoidable risks.  I think that&#039;s why many are conservatives, especially among independent operators but also at the major oil and gas companies.  But I have no idea what California&#039;s Chevron managers and employees are like, but my suspicion is they are not as conservative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Beldar&#8217;s hope is that, simply by working for an oil company, these employees will be more conservative and/or more receptive to conservative ideas. However, I agree with him that Texas oil and gas managers and employees are more conservative than business employees in general.  </p>
<p>Exploring for and producing oil and gas are risky ventures.  Thus, while people who do that for a living have to be risk-takers, the successful ones quickly learn to limit avoidable risks.  I think that&#8217;s why many are conservatives, especially among independent operators but also at the major oil and gas companies.  But I have no idea what California&#8217;s Chevron managers and employees are like, but my suspicion is they are not as conservative.</p>
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		<title>By: redc1c4</title>
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		<dc:creator>redc1c4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 02:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well DRJ, we&#039;ve certainly done everything we can to get those nasty polluters out of our paradise.

8-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well DRJ, we&#8217;ve certainly done everything we can to get those nasty polluters out of our paradise.</p>
<p> <img src='http://patterico.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: redc1c4</title>
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		<dc:creator>redc1c4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 02:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>none are so blind as those who refuse to see, Sammy. these gems of brilliant insight were found in less than 30 seconds of scanning comments:

&lt;blockquote&gt; scola 7:33 AM on December 21, 2012
I&#039;m going to guess that if it is a mix of IT and &quot;advanced energy&quot; technology that 400 of those people will quit rather than move to Houston. I mean, on the one hand there are a plethora of opportunities in the Bay Area for those fields, and if the people are any good, with the amount of VC capital flying and funding firm expansion, they could get a job by dinnertime. On the other hand, who wants to live in Houston?

Bad decision on Chevron&#039;s part if you ask me. Good news for local firms.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt; sagefeldemeyer6 7:41 AM on December 21, 2012
Good riddance! There--I said it! Do we have to depend on dirty energy, 20th century jobs to have a thriving economy? Time to change the paradigm, while we STILL have a planet earth that is habitable.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt; ddopinion 8:35 AM on December 21, 2012
Good riddance if they closed the refineries...not realistic, but I still wish it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt; malcolmketterin 7:21 AM on December 21, 2012
good philosophical question for our time, are jobs at a sociopathic corporation worth saving in an extremely job-poor area? just how far must we sell ourselves out?&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>none are so blind as those who refuse to see, Sammy. these gems of brilliant insight were found in less than 30 seconds of scanning comments:</p>
<blockquote><p> scola 7:33 AM on December 21, 2012<br />
I&#8217;m going to guess that if it is a mix of IT and &#8220;advanced energy&#8221; technology that 400 of those people will quit rather than move to Houston. I mean, on the one hand there are a plethora of opportunities in the Bay Area for those fields, and if the people are any good, with the amount of VC capital flying and funding firm expansion, they could get a job by dinnertime. On the other hand, who wants to live in Houston?</p>
<p>Bad decision on Chevron&#8217;s part if you ask me. Good news for local firms.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> sagefeldemeyer6 7:41 AM on December 21, 2012<br />
Good riddance! There&#8211;I said it! Do we have to depend on dirty energy, 20th century jobs to have a thriving economy? Time to change the paradigm, while we STILL have a planet earth that is habitable.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> ddopinion 8:35 AM on December 21, 2012<br />
Good riddance if they closed the refineries&#8230;not realistic, but I still wish it.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> malcolmketterin 7:21 AM on December 21, 2012<br />
good philosophical question for our time, are jobs at a sociopathic corporation worth saving in an extremely job-poor area? just how far must we sell ourselves out?</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 01:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have written that to the optimistic Dana.  Sorry, Dana!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have written that to the optimistic Dana.  Sorry, Dana!</p>
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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 01:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The realistic Dana,

But they aren&#039;t really coming voluntarily.  Chevron is transferring its employees to Texas.  It&#039;s true they can decline the transfer but that likely means they will be out of a job, and I&#039;m not aware of many other oil and gas companies in California where they can get jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The realistic Dana,</p>
<p>But they aren&#8217;t really coming voluntarily.  Chevron is transferring its employees to Texas.  It&#8217;s true they can decline the transfer but that likely means they will be out of a job, and I&#8217;m not aware of many other oil and gas companies in California where they can get jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: The optimistic Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>The optimistic Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 01:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DRJ laments:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Re: Ag80′s comment, I think the downside is these Californians bring their attitudes and voting patterns to Texas. It’s possible (but unlikely) that they are as conservative as Texans are, so that might make it a little easier for the communities they settle in to turn purple.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

All that would do is make California more Democratic: the people fleeing the Pyrite State are probably more conservative and more Republican than average, people seeking economic opportunity, not welfarism.  It&#039;s possible that they&#039;ll be bringing more socially liberal attitudes with them, but economically, they&#039;re just the people you want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DRJ laments:</p>
<blockquote><p>Re: Ag80′s comment, I think the downside is these Californians bring their attitudes and voting patterns to Texas. It’s possible (but unlikely) that they are as conservative as Texans are, so that might make it a little easier for the communities they settle in to turn purple.</p></blockquote>
<p>All that would do is make California more Democratic: the people fleeing the Pyrite State are probably more conservative and more Republican than average, people seeking economic opportunity, not welfarism.  It&#8217;s possible that they&#8217;ll be bringing more socially liberal attitudes with them, but economically, they&#8217;re just the people you want.</p>
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		<title>By: narciso</title>
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		<dc:creator>narciso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 00:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate Silver, was projecting because Obama lost Alaska by 14 instead of 22 points, that it will become a swing state,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate Silver, was projecting because Obama lost Alaska by 14 instead of 22 points, that it will become a swing state,</p>
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