I should add, regarding the “missing video” that I refer to as the “second [missing] clip] at the end of prior comment:

It was a close up and clear shot of both Tony and Steve, without any obstruction up to and including the point of Tony’s fall. It also appeared to show the moment of Tony’s fall with part’s of Tony still in the frame, and Steve in the frame during the fall.

It also showed “Randall” behind Tony at a couple of points, including during some or all of his pushing match with Chris that was just to the rear of Tony.

I might be wrong, but my impression of this clip I can no longer find on the web had a better resolution, perhaps a professional camera, not merely a phone camera.

Much of Crowder’s defense and Tommy Christopher’s now-to-be-documented unfounded assertions depend on the narrative.

Crowder says “that was a melee” and that the union folks were attacking and ransacking the tent with elderly people and women inside, and he and a group of people were basically attempting to hold the fortress.

TommyX not only has a blind eye to that and otherwise downplays it, he even engaged in the “Wheelerization” of it, giving some credence that it was all just a set-up and instigation or provocation, and any reports of union violence ought to be discounted.

For reference all in one place, here in the comments at end of Part 1 starting at comment 44:

http://tinyurl.com/cy442jp

1) Another view of end of Crowder fight, but showing nearly immediate tent collapse and intensity of situation – and in clips in comments #46 and #49 showing very clear views of the fight from other angles, including melee inside the tent both before and after the fight (and really good shots of Tony’s uppercut and gut punches as an added attraction).

2) Violent union “strikes”, sometimes shocking against elderly people are shown especially well in clips in comments #46 and #47 and they also show the context of other scuffles that were happening both inside and outside the tent in the 3-4 minutes in which the fight occurred.

3) Several of the dozen clips in the ten comments from #43-52 show aspects of the melee, especially the confusion and dire situation in the tent, at a couple of points nearly frantic with screams and terror – what Crowder is claiming to defend, what Tommy and Wheeler discount or ignore.

Note 1: I have retracted some of my earlier comments on that thread. I saw a screen shot (and video) of what appeared to be Crowder’s arm extended on to Tony’s back as Tony was going down. Like the Republican BlueCollarCorner union guy on Hannity with Crowder who asserted that Crowder had pushed Tony to the ground, I also perceived that, but it is wrong. It is not Steve’s arm, it is Tony’s arm.

Note 2: That’s all context before, during and after the fight, and clips of the end of the fight, but none show the crucial moment when Tony fell. I have a distinct recollection of two specific clips that do show Tony at the moment that he fell. I can no longer find them on the web. Will the owners’ repost them for all to find again and see?

The first clip was a clear shot from the inside of the tent that showed Chris the Gingerhair union instigator charging the tent and the guy in the overcoat he was pushing, who I call “Randall”, who Chris said “has a gun” and Chris has “killed plenty of people with [i.e. who have] a gun”. It then shows “Randall” pushing Chris like a lineman pushes a tackle back 5 yards into a quarterback – all in the area directly to the rear of Tony. In other clips we can see that the man next to Tony, and others, react to it. It may show “evidence” relating to the fall of Tony. I cannot recall clearly, so it may not.

The second clip was a second camera taking shots just to the right and rear of Steve and Tony, and was a very clear shot of them just before and at the moment of Tony’s fall, and after Tony’s fall. I have a very clear impression in my mind what this video showed because I watched those few seconds over and over and stepped it to see the detail and get it right. However, given my perception was wrong about the other clip of Tony’s fall (that I have retracted), I am reluctant to state what I perceived and believe to have seen. I will state that I my recollection is that Steve did two things and Tony did one thing. None of which are threatening per se beyond the voices where we can hear Tony’s name-calling and Steve’s questioning the acceptableness of the union attacks on the tent that we can hear in other clips. But they do gives clues to what is about to happen next. I recall (but could be wrong) that I was not able to determine from this clip what actually causes Tony’s fall, or how he initially fell, because when Tony goes down he is obscured by Steve and perhaps others standing in front of the camera.

I cannot confirm this, but my impression at the time was that these clips were shot by people in Crowder’s “Crew”, that is, from the 3-4-5 phone camera guys that were sort of hanging together and sometimes seen and heard near each other in many of the clips. I might be wrong. If anyone is watching and knows where these clips are, would be a fine thing to see them posted here.

That’s my grumpy post of the day.
Assuming “melee conditions” a man with a big punching fist on his shirt coming right atcha and knocking you may appear to be assault.

In fact it may be assault, if his intend was to collide or attack, even if he falls down.

Getting into someone’s space in an aggressive manner without legal excuse – like trying to stop a criminal act in progress (tearing down a tent with people in it) esp when the safety of others is threatened.

My theory is that the union puncher was moving aggressively towards Crowder and fell. He might even have been trying to land a blow then fell.

The most benign imaginable circumstance is that he was meaning to be physically imposing and aggressive and was jostled and tripped, and fell down, thought someone had “helped” him down and got mad. More likely he was humiliated by his own trip and blamed Crowder.

Original:
“Fox News Contributor Steven Crowder Confirms He Started Fight with Union Protester”

After he received a lot of crap (a lot from Ace), changed it to:
“Didn’t Fox News Contributor Steven Crowder Just Confirm He Started Fight with Union Protester?”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-contributor-steven-crowder-confirms-he-started-fight-with-union-protester/

Anyhoo, nice series. :O)

As a matter of law, if the man tripped and bumped Crowder on his way to the ground, is that assault and battery, assuming that contact was unintentional?

Crowder asserts Tony tripped, so let’s presume Crowder actually saw him trip. (Note that just before this, Crowder places his right hand on Tony’s side and turns away but let’s assume Crowder saw him trip as opposed to being pushed.)

Why would Crowder call that an assault?

And if that was an assault, wasn’t Crowder and the other(s) who pushed them off the tent with intent also committing assault and battery?

Did you watch the video? The old fat guy should never have been able to land that punch.

Do you know what gymfighter means?

Especially as I believe Crowder ids a MMA enthusiast. And by that, I mean active participant therein.

He probably could have been charged with assault with a deadly weapon just for defending himself. If he wanted to, he could have ended that guy. As POD said, “if it wasn’t for my God, I would’ve already had you.”