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12/17/2012

Obama Rejects Another Offer Out-of-hand

Filed under: General — JD @ 9:25 am

[guest post by JD]

Obama rejected another offering from Speaker Boehner. Shockingly enough, they claimed it wasn’t balanced enough, didn’t attack the rich enough, and blah blah blah

The source said Obama sees the offer made on Friday by U.S. House Speaker John Boehner as a sign of progress, but simply believes it is not enough and there is much more to be worked out before Obama can reciprocate.

Anyone else get the impression their idea of bipartisan and compromise is “give me everything I want, and after that, we will think about your ideas, then reject them”?

Anyone else get the idea that they are looking forward to going over the proverbial cliff?

– JD

47 Responses to “Obama Rejects Another Offer Out-of-hand”

  1. Tommy Xtopher is a liar

    JD (318f81)

  2. Obama is not negotiating at all in reality.

    I happen to be of the belief that this is largely because he does not know how. He’s never done it before reaching the White House at all, and his attempts since then have been largely failures.

    The House GOP needs to pass a complete budget with their latest offer in it, and go home.

    SPQR (768505)

  3. Obama and the Democrats know that the media will lie and blame the House GOP. Democrats love it when they can create a crisis with their policies then blame anyone who opposes those policies as the reason for the crisis.

    Worked with the recession. Worked with the Iraq War. Worked with the Sandy Hook atrocity. It will work with the financial cliff as well. They can disassemble the military, cut across the board, and force another recession while assigning yet more blame to the GOP. And as long as the Left owns the major media as well as has a huge number of people dependent upon government largesse they will get away with it.

    iconoclast (5169ed)

  4. This is pretty bad faith “negotiating.” Obama is trying to make the Republicans negotiate against themselves, while making no real contribution himself. They should simply bring their last, best and final offer to the floor, pass it and go home for Christmas. Take it or leave it.

    In reality, Obama and the media have launched the 2014 midterm campaign, with the goal of re-establishing their one-party state. No matter what the Republicans do, possibly including passing Obama’s demands, Obama is going to oppose them and get the media to blame them for the tax hikes that Obama secretly wants.

    So the economy tanks, and we have two years of the media blaming the “House Republicans” for the failure.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  5. THe Republicans should also add about $10 billion to their next proposal for a mental health block-grant to the states. We seem to need more crazy-person controls. Condition the grant on a state requirement that mental health professionals notify the state of potentially dangerous clients.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  6. All of the grieving parents in affluent Newtown are very likely among those not paying their fair share.

    Which is kinda ironic if you think on it a spell.

    happyfeet (a6d7f4)

  7. Most likely, Obama is still stuck on $250,000, not $1,000,000, as has been proposed by senator Schumer..possibly there;”s anotehr thing also he doesn’t want to let go of.

    Obama wants a sound bite: We raised taxes on those making over $250,000 and not anybody else.

    Maybe try keeping the brackets the same but impose a surtax, to expire – that’s a nice question when – of 1% on those in the $250,000 to 1 million tax bracket. That might be enough for him.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  8. After the 2010 elections which could have been seen as anti-obama sentiment the GOP had some bargaining power, and the most they could get was putting off disaster until now.

    Obama has no interest in cutting spending or balancing the budget (at least there is zero evidence he does, so I am going by the evidence).

    The GOP will not get anything of substance done with much of anything as long as Obama is in power.

    Hence, as distasteful as it is, the only sensible goal is to win politically by letting the dems expose themselves as they really are. That may be impossible to do the way the media is in the bag, but does anyone see an alternative?

    Does anyone really think the repubs, even if they all had spines of steel, can get anything done against Obama?

    If you can’t get anything done, at least do what makes your point as clear as possible.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  9. I think the point is that temporary tax cuts are a very gay way to run a country

    happyfeet (a6d7f4)

  10. What other evidence do we need that this President has no other interest than “the complete transformation of America”?
    If he wants tax-rate increases on the wealthy, give them to him “good and hard”, but don’t authorize/appropriate anything over a bare-bones minimum.
    If he vetoes appropriations as “insufficient”, that’s a case he’ll need to make to the public.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  11. We had to negotiate those cuts, with ‘Jumping Jim’
    Jeffords, and the Maine Twins, the former still bolted like the frog from Calaveras cty,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  12. I wish I had a better way to say this,

    http://nationaljournal.com/columns/on-the-trail/the-gop-s-electoral-college-scheme-20121217

    ‘Party of Stupid’ is just irreducible.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  13. SC Gov Nikki Haley appoints Tim Scott to the Senate.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  14. Anyone know why Sad Sack Boehner didn’t already learn his lesson? The House passed a budget ahead of CR2012 and the Debt Ceiling and rather than wait for the Senate to do anything, he offers two more deals on top of a budget.

    Inexplicable apart from abject cowardice.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  15. Boner is an idiot & a useless RINO, but i repeat myself.

    tell JEFH to FO, go home, but do not adjourn Congress, and Let It Burn.

    redc1c4 (403dff)

  16. Speaker Bachmann would do two things that would make me smile.
    1. Piss off the Insane liberal.
    2. Piss off the Insane republican.

    mg (31009b)

  17. I think Boehner and others think they are negotiating with Bill Clinton and that compromise can happen.

    They don’t realize that Clinton was not the one we were waiting for, so he couldn’t get whatever he wanted.

    The voters that voted thought they wanted Obama, though the majority disagreed with what Obama stands for and what he wants to do.

    Let them get what they think they wanted, there may still be time to abort it. I’m afraid if the Repubs just fight and kick as they are being dragged along, the focus will be on those pesky repubs, and by the time people realize what has happened in the fundamental transformation of America it will be too late.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  18. Boehner came to negotiate. Obama came to accept Boehner’s surrender.

    navyvet (02dd07)

  19. the new normal sucks ass

    happyfeet (80dbbf)

  20. I heard the vapid money hoochie on cnbc today sniff that taxing the “boehner rich” wouldn’t make a serious dent in the deficit

    as if taxing the “obama rich” would

    happyfeet (5da4d0)

  21. 17. Not really contradicting what you say, but I’m pretty sure 4 years is 2 or 3 too many to put Dumpty back on the wall.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  22. My feeling is that I won’t live to see the damage repaired.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  23. And the tag team of Obama/Bernanke has not caused the least concern among foreign purchasers of debt:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-17/indirect-takedown-todays-2-year-auction-lowest-record

    Last week 3-year, this week the cadillac 2-year. Woe.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  24. Fiona: Can we blow them up?
    Michael: No.
    Fiona: Shall we shoot them, then?
    Michael: NO! I need duct tape, where’s a hardware store? Duct tape makes you smart.

    htom (412a17)

  25. That’s what we need, htom, Sam and Michael from Burn Notice.

    SPQR (768505)

  26. Somebody doesn’t like being over the barrel and he’s getting a case of the sads. Too bad.

    Once the GOP agrees not to take a hostage later this year, then the Prez will accept their offers. Since the GOP doesn’t care about governing, treating them like they are anything more than austerity-minded goofballs is silly.

    Not that you care, jd, because politics has always been a team sport for you.

    Heard from Goldstein lately, since you have betrayed him? I’d watch out, ’cause dude is in love with pistols now.

    Kendall Gill (92a12d)

  27. Obama earned a smaller vote this time, they couldn’t win back the House, and still couldn’t secure a filibuster proof majority, so who really has the mandate.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  28. It was yet another name and IP from timb. His stalking and asshattery is ramping up recently. He is past creepy.

    JD (318f81)

  29. JD, can you whack out my two comments?

    – Done [JD]

    SPQR (768505)

  30. Thanks big guy.

    SPQR (768505)

  31. Obama has now proposed $400,000 as the cutoff.

    It’s said he’s been sobered or something by the shooting or maybe he thinks people won’t like him if he let’s this go. Anyway, maybe now he has another issue.

    Earlier it was reported that Boehner wanted cuts in entitlements, and you know what he was taking about?

    Changing the way the cost of living index is computed for Social Security (that is supposed to save money according to the Congressional Budget Office, but nobody should assume it would work that way in reality) and, much more serious, raising the Medicare age to 67 at some point in the future. I don’t know if that is still in the deal. Paul Ryan’s plan for competition is a whole lot better.

    Sammy Finkelman (c54611)

  32. I wish I had a better way to say this,

    http://nationaljournal.com/columns/on-the-trail/the-gop-s-electoral-college-scheme-20121217

    ‘Party of Stupid’ is just irreducible.

    What’s stupid about it? It sounds pretty smart to me. In what states could they retaliate? In which states do Republicans regularly win all the Electors, but Democrats control the legislature? Stupid? I think it’s brilliant. Hit them where it hurts and they cant hit back. That’s their kind of move.

    So long as the GOP keeps its majorities in its core states, that is.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  33. 31. Agreed, we’re going to be worse off than the sequester and no Bush cuts.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  34. 32. Your caveat is the issue. Small states are giving up their only advantage.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  35. . Small states are giving up their only advantage.

    Small states aren’t doing anything. They stay winner-takes-all (if they like). This is only being done by a few big states that for vote D for president but have R legislatures. It doesn’t matter if they eventually lose those legislatures, the worst that the Ds can do is move them back to winner-takes-all. The only thing to fear is that the Rs might lose the legislatures of their big states, such as Texas, which would give the Ds a chance to do the same thing. So long as that doesn’t happen, this seems to me a brilliant plan, and I don’t see what you think is stupid about it.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  36. 35. To date, ME and NE.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  37. Boehner goes to plan B. B now comes after D and E? Cry already?

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  38. The Republicans are beginning to lose their conviction that their leaders can always out-negotiate the president

    Alex Zorges (de4c73)

  39. When was the last time that the “GOP leaders” out negotiated the Dems?
    Think about it!

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  40. Pleez don’t throw me into over that thar briar-patch cliff!

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  41. 10-year T-Bill jumped 6 basis pts. today. Was like 1.58 at the beginning of the month, now 1.83.

    No spending cuts, Fed footing entire deficit, small wonder.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  42. Ah, just what are Mutt and Jeff up to behind closed doors?

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323723104578187091789698654.html?mod=rss_opinion_main

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  43. Well at least they’re disentangling somewhere:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-19/gm-buys-back-200mm-shares-us-government-uncle-sam-divest-remaining-stake-50-loss

    Wouldn’t be a need for scratch?

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  44. Another sign the economy is on the mend:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-19/six-month-delinquent-mortgages-amount-more-half-bank-americas-market-cap

    Builder stocks were up ‘big’ yesterday. Guess the Detroit model of avoiding foreclosure is standard procedure.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  45. Coming also on January 1:

    The milk cliff:

    With Farm Bill Stalled, Consumers May Face Soaring Milk Prices

    Without last-minute Congressional action, the government would have to follow an antiquated 1949 farm law that would force Washington to buy milk at wildly inflated prices, creating higher prices in the dairy case. Milk now costs an average of $3.65 a gallon.

    Higher prices would be based on what dairy farm production costs were in 1949, when milk production was almost all done by hand. Because of adjustments for inflation and other technical formulas, the government would be forced by law to buy milk at roughly twice the current market prices to maintain a stable milk market.

    Look for $6.000 or $8.00 a gallon milk. A Doubling of prices and shortages of cheese. Buy before December 31, or maybe January 5 or so when it should hit.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)


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