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	<title>Comments on: Rewriting History on the Attack on Steven Crowder and the Relevance of Kimberlin/Rauhauser Tactics</title>
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		<title>By: Sammy Finkelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sammy Finkelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>309 Comment by nk (875f57) — 12/13/2012 @ 4:48 pm 

&lt;i&gt; Sammy, you really expect anybody to read your last post? &lt;/i&gt;

I boldfaced it, and made it a quote. Maybe it is a little long. But I still did not quote the entire web page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>309 Comment by nk (875f57) — 12/13/2012 @ 4:48 pm </p>
<p><i> Sammy, you really expect anybody to read your last post? </i></p>
<p>I boldfaced it, and made it a quote. Maybe it is a little long. But I still did not quote the entire web page.</p>
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		<title>By: dogbroth</title>
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		<dc:creator>dogbroth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just great. Really. Who cares about who hit whom? 

Just like Wisconsin and Ohio, the GOP stupidly cuts off its nose to spite its face (again!) and hands Michigan over to the Democrats for the next generation.

Oh, wait....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just great. Really. Who cares about who hit whom? </p>
<p>Just like Wisconsin and Ohio, the GOP stupidly cuts off its nose to spite its face (again!) and hands Michigan over to the Democrats for the next generation.</p>
<p>Oh, wait&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve57</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 15:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/12/union-vice-griever-who-shouted-expletives-at-michigan-protest-is-city-councilman/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Legal Insurrection: Union “Vice-Griever” who shouted expletives at Michigan protest is city councilman&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;This is from the “you can’t make this stuff up” category.

Fox2 Detroit (via Riehl World News) identifies the person who famously shouted various expletives during the attack on the Americans For Prosperity tent (but did not himself engage in any violence):

&lt;blockquote&gt;    Who is he? “I am the vice-griever for Local 1299, United Steelworkers,” says Wheeler Marsee.

    He’s also a City Council member in Melvindale, a downriver suburb of Detroit. He tells FOX 2 he and a few friends came to participate in a peaceful protest against right to work. And things were all good, until they weren’t. “There was people up there that were rebel-rousing the crowd,” says Marsee. “The next thing I knew, I had the gentleman in question right up in my face. The video didn’t give it justice because he was the aggressor.”

    Marsee is talking about the Crowder, who claims he was trying to protect the people and the integrity of that tent. Marsee says he did not touch any person or any property.

    “You’ve already destroyed one tent, leave the tent alone,” Crowder can be heard saying in the video.

    “Get the (expletive) out of my face,” replies Marsee.

    “You hurt a lady in there,” say Crowder.

    “Stop rushing me, man. I didn’t hurt nobody,” says Marsee.

    Marsee says he didn’t know, or care, who Crowder was. “He literally got six inches from my face.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, the video does not show Crowder six inches from Marsee’s face, not even close.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Again, does anyone really doubt that the Union mob had a reason to believe the police would let them get away with their violence? Just as the Occupy mob in Oakland had a reason to believe the same thing because the Mayor, Jean Quan, supported them &lt;i&gt;and her husband and daughter joined in the protest?&lt;/i&gt;

In Lansing the protesters were yelling &quot;Scab! Scab!&quot; at the police and the police were in fact reluctant to interfere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/12/union-vice-griever-who-shouted-expletives-at-michigan-protest-is-city-councilman/" rel="nofollow">Legal Insurrection: Union “Vice-Griever” who shouted expletives at Michigan protest is city councilman</a></p>
<blockquote><p>This is from the “you can’t make this stuff up” category.</p>
<p>Fox2 Detroit (via Riehl World News) identifies the person who famously shouted various expletives during the attack on the Americans For Prosperity tent (but did not himself engage in any violence):</p>
<blockquote><p>    Who is he? “I am the vice-griever for Local 1299, United Steelworkers,” says Wheeler Marsee.</p>
<p>    He’s also a City Council member in Melvindale, a downriver suburb of Detroit. He tells FOX 2 he and a few friends came to participate in a peaceful protest against right to work. And things were all good, until they weren’t. “There was people up there that were rebel-rousing the crowd,” says Marsee. “The next thing I knew, I had the gentleman in question right up in my face. The video didn’t give it justice because he was the aggressor.”</p>
<p>    Marsee is talking about the Crowder, who claims he was trying to protect the people and the integrity of that tent. Marsee says he did not touch any person or any property.</p>
<p>    “You’ve already destroyed one tent, leave the tent alone,” Crowder can be heard saying in the video.</p>
<p>    “Get the (expletive) out of my face,” replies Marsee.</p>
<p>    “You hurt a lady in there,” say Crowder.</p>
<p>    “Stop rushing me, man. I didn’t hurt nobody,” says Marsee.</p>
<p>    Marsee says he didn’t know, or care, who Crowder was. “He literally got six inches from my face.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, the video does not show Crowder six inches from Marsee’s face, not even close.</p></blockquote>
<p>Again, does anyone really doubt that the Union mob had a reason to believe the police would let them get away with their violence? Just as the Occupy mob in Oakland had a reason to believe the same thing because the Mayor, Jean Quan, supported them <i>and her husband and daughter joined in the protest?</i></p>
<p>In Lansing the protesters were yelling &#8220;Scab! Scab!&#8221; at the police and the police were in fact reluctant to interfere.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 15:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was Crowder the voice asking &quot;What gives you the right [to tear down someone&#039;s tent?]&quot;?

Did the tent say something smart alecy about Upton Sinclair?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was Crowder the voice asking &#8220;What gives you the right [to tear down someone's tent?]&#8220;?</p>
<p>Did the tent say something smart alecy about Upton Sinclair?</p>
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		<title>By: Sarahw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarahw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets see some examples of incendiary. Because there are many things that incendiary is definately NOT.  Asking about the tent swarm is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets see some examples of incendiary. Because there are many things that incendiary is definately NOT.  Asking about the tent swarm is not.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Jester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Jester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 02:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nk, you have to recall that Ehrenstein went on a huge happy tizzy that Andrew Breitbart was a drug addict and deserved to die. He refused to back down, even when gently remonstrated with on the topic.  He tends to get all happy and mean spirited when people with whom he disagrees die.  And our esteemed host was quite upset with Breitbart&#039;s demise, and Ehrenstein&#039;s gleeful urinating on his fresh grave.

Several people who post here were well aware how Ehrenstein had tried to cultivate Breitbart in the early days of the HP, and felt that such mean spirited hypocrisy was well and truly icky.

So my guess is that he is banned, and in my opinion rightfully so.  I admire your ability to look past his unpleasantness, but---again, my problem, surely---I cannot.  

I wish him well, but far, far away from anywhere I frequent, electronically or otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nk, you have to recall that Ehrenstein went on a huge happy tizzy that Andrew Breitbart was a drug addict and deserved to die. He refused to back down, even when gently remonstrated with on the topic.  He tends to get all happy and mean spirited when people with whom he disagrees die.  And our esteemed host was quite upset with Breitbart&#8217;s demise, and Ehrenstein&#8217;s gleeful urinating on his fresh grave.</p>
<p>Several people who post here were well aware how Ehrenstein had tried to cultivate Breitbart in the early days of the HP, and felt that such mean spirited hypocrisy was well and truly icky.</p>
<p>So my guess is that he is banned, and in my opinion rightfully so.  I admire your ability to look past his unpleasantness, but&#8212;again, my problem, surely&#8212;I cannot.  </p>
<p>I wish him well, but far, far away from anywhere I frequent, electronically or otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patterico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 02:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He was there with a camera asking incendiary questions&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Incendiary is in the eye of the beholder. He was reporting on the event.

Does he have a right to do that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He was there with a camera asking incendiary questions</p></blockquote>
<p>Incendiary is in the eye of the beholder. He was reporting on the event.</p>
<p>Does he have a right to do that?</p>
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		<title>By: narciso</title>
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		<dc:creator>narciso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 00:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually we have an interesting example with the former school union chief, his actions came to note, in part because the candidates he supported, Hillary and Alex Sink, lost,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually we have an interesting example with the former school union chief, his actions came to note, in part because the candidates he supported, Hillary and Alex Sink, lost,</p>
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		<title>By: nk</title>
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		<dc:creator>nk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 00:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sammy, you really expect anybody to read your last post?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sammy, you really expect anybody to read your last post?</p>
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		<title>By: nk</title>
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		<dc:creator>nk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 00:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Communication is important.  In any walk of life.  Applying for a job interview for instance?  Talking a police officer out of a ticket?  SEK is not on welfare, he is doing valuable work.

And does anybody know what happened to David?  Has he been banned again?  (I don&#039;t like going to his site because it&#039;s not child-safe and my daughter steals my computer all the time.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Communication is important.  In any walk of life.  Applying for a job interview for instance?  Talking a police officer out of a ticket?  SEK is not on welfare, he is doing valuable work.</p>
<p>And does anybody know what happened to David?  Has he been banned again?  (I don&#8217;t like going to his site because it&#8217;s not child-safe and my daughter steals my computer all the time.)</p>
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