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12/11/2012

Civility Now! Dems Threaten Violence Over RTW Legislation – Updated with video of assault

Filed under: General — JD @ 10:12 am

[Guest post by JD]

SHOCKA!!!!!

Michigan Dems threaten violence on the floor of the House, and via Twitter, over Right To Work legislation.

There were also reports that the Kock Brothers Americans For Prosperity tent was torn down, while people were in the tent.

Their calls for civility continue to ring hollow.

UPDATE – Mr Crowder being assaulted by union thug.

Obama Monday, this is rich in irony … “We’ve got to get past this whole situation where we manufacture crises because of politics … [that] leads to less certainty, more conflict, and we can’t all focus on coming together to grow,” Obama claimed.

Maybe he should stick with get in your neighbor’s face, punch back twice as hard.

Jimmy Hoffa Jr claims there will be civil war in Michigan as a result of RTW.

– JD

153 Comments

  1. Shouldn’t those teachers be teaching?

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 12/11/2012 @ 10:13 am

  2. It’s rhetoric, but this still sounds worse than Wisconsin.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 12/11/2012 @ 10:32 am

  3. They’re just organizing the community.

    Comment by Elephant Stone (65d289) — 12/11/2012 @ 10:33 am

  4. Sammy – how does tearing down a tent, with people inside it, qualify as just rhetoric? And regardless, rhetoric was the whole freaking point of the new tone civility now nonsense.

    Comment by JD (01d151) — 12/11/2012 @ 10:46 am

  5. Where is there something about a tent? (I have not been following this story)

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 12/11/2012 @ 10:49 am

  6. Where is there something about a tent? (I have not been following this story)

    Read the damn post before commenting on it!

    Oh, and JD, it’s Koch.

    Comment by Milhouse (15b6fd) — 12/11/2012 @ 10:50 am

  7. The protests and threats were all for naught — the legislature has passed the measures and sent them on to the governor for his signature.

    Comment by Icy (15d4d1) — 12/11/2012 @ 10:55 am

  8. @JD: Exactly, and shouldn’t the schools’ administrations be disciplining teachers who call in “fake sick”?

    Granted, finding out for sure who WAS “fake sick” may be difficult at first, but when there are massive abuses like this for obviously political purposes, it may be worth a bit of (public) coin to hire a PI, etc. (What do you want to bet that Union Goon Rules require that no teacher be interviewed without a lawyer present — and that the teacher is allowed to say nothing, with no repercussions for saying nothing?)

    Comment by Mitch (341ca0) — 12/11/2012 @ 10:57 am

  9. The protests and threats were all for naught

    We shall see. The threats may be serious.

    Comment by Milhouse (15b6fd) — 12/11/2012 @ 10:57 am

  10. Mil – I am aware of the spelling. My mocking of the moon are who shriek about the evil Kock Brothers appears to have evaded you.

    Comment by JD (01d151) — 12/11/2012 @ 11:00 am

  11. “moon are”?

    Comment by Milhouse (15b6fd) — 12/11/2012 @ 11:01 am

  12. Damn autocorrect – moonbat

    Comment by JD (01d151) — 12/11/2012 @ 11:03 am

  13. I can’t recall seeing them spell it that way

    Comment by Milhouse (15b6fd) — 12/11/2012 @ 11:04 am

  14. Though I assume them to be illiterate and to misspell everything anyway, so maybe I just didn’t notice it.

    Comment by Milhouse (15b6fd) — 12/11/2012 @ 11:05 am

  15. You know, we could end all the country’s ills if we fed a woodchipper 10,000 government employees, past or present, per day.

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 12/11/2012 @ 11:16 am

  16. each day*

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 12/11/2012 @ 11:21 am

  17. It’s what they do. It’s who they are.

    Comment by mojo (8096f2) — 12/11/2012 @ 12:08 pm

  18. I had only read the first sentence. I also clicked on the article.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (11feb1) — 12/11/2012 @ 12:19 pm

  19. Right To Work laws are why we need today’s feminism.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/11/2012 @ 12:33 pm

  20. #4, JD, if it was a republican tent, it must have been a tiny one, since it only allows WORMs in – White, Old, Rich Men.) ‘Must have been more like an umbrella.

    Comment by Tillman (51d7aa) — 12/11/2012 @ 12:42 pm

  21. 20. White old men have brains enough to get the moniker. We’re not out in this weather.

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 12/11/2012 @ 12:45 pm

  22. Tillman – White, old and male is the new black to you racist, lunatard, progs.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/11/2012 @ 12:54 pm

  23. Well it’s in keeping with his ‘revenge’ promise in the last days of the campaign,

    Comment by narciso (ee31f1) — 12/11/2012 @ 12:59 pm

  24. “WORMs” huh?

    Well, what are YOU, then?

    Comment by Icy (3ed4b3) — 12/11/2012 @ 1:05 pm

  25. The ban on concealed carry in Illinois has been struck down.
    Looks like a pretty good day all around. :)

    Comment by Icy (3ed4b3) — 12/11/2012 @ 1:08 pm

  26. Illman is getting progressively more tyresome.

    Comment by JD (01d151) — 12/11/2012 @ 1:11 pm

  27. #20

    So 48% of the country is white old rich men. Who should die presumably. But don’t Christian women and middle class white Christian males need to die as well? Why should they get off the hook?

    Comment by Gerald A (138c50) — 12/11/2012 @ 1:30 pm

  28. Icy, I’m just a WOM, since I’m not rich. Anyway, my apologies, that was just mean. But the tent is too small.
    Also, Gerald you do have a point in #20 about Christians. You can still count on most of them to vote Republican.

    Comment by Tillman (51d7aa) — 12/11/2012 @ 1:37 pm

  29. Illman desperately wants to talk about something other than the violence perpetuated by its leftist allies.

    Comment by JD (01d151) — 12/11/2012 @ 1:43 pm

  30. Tillman,

    The world is your canvas, but you need to man up and put the paint on it.
    If you’re so talented and smart, go build a business. After all, the roads and bridges and internet infrastructure have already been established.

    You don’t really need a bureaucrat to wipe your rear end for you, right ?

    I don’t understand why low-class folks such as yourself are unable to move forward with your lives unless the government is there to do x, y, or z for you.

    Comment by Elephant Stone (65d289) — 12/11/2012 @ 1:49 pm

  31. Elephant, I didn’t say I was poor. I said I wasn’t rich. I’m fine, thank you, but just not wealthy.

    Comment by Tillman (51d7aa) — 12/11/2012 @ 1:57 pm

  32. You know, we could end all the country’s ills if we fed a woodchipper 10,000 government employees, past or present, per day.

    Doing the math, there’s not enough time in a day for that many people to go through a woodchipper. You’d need to run them in parallel.

    Comment by Rob Crawford (c55962) — 12/11/2012 @ 2:06 pm

  33. Tillman is just breaking out one of those progressive holiday songs in the spirit of the season: Do you hate who I hate?

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/11/2012 @ 2:07 pm

  34. I’m fine, thank you, but just not wealthy.

    And yet you hate those who have achieved more than you.

    What’s delicious is that you’re too dumb to realize that by demonizing those better off than yourself, you’re setting yourself up to be looted.

    What’s sad is that you’re intent on making the rest of us go along for the ride.

    Comment by Rob Crawford (c55962) — 12/11/2012 @ 2:08 pm

  35. “And yet you hate those who have achieved more than you.”

    Rob – Equality doesn’t exist unless somebody has a special government provided/mandated advantage.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/11/2012 @ 2:13 pm

  36. ‘words only words, maybe he should remember the name Harry Bennett

    http://www.humanevents.com/2012/12/11/teamsters-boss-predicts-civil-war-in-michigan/

    Comment by narciso (ee31f1) — 12/11/2012 @ 2:14 pm

  37. JD, it looks like one or two of the commenters here are threatening violence too. But I guess you’re not worried about that.

    Rob, when did I say that I hate rich people? Some of you just like to put words in my mouth and it’s dishonest. I should ignore it. It’s ridiculous.

    Comment by Tillman (51d7aa) — 12/11/2012 @ 2:17 pm

  38. No, Tillman, you’re low-class.
    That’s why you’re always aching for more government—you want someone else to pay for your goodies !

    Besides, you don’t particularly strike anyone as the entrepreneurial type.
    You sound like the guy who is always angry at “the boss man.”

    Like I said, if you’re so smart and talented, go start your own business. Stop depending upon other people. Become “the boss man.” …if ya got the cajones for it.

    Comment by Elephant Stone (65d289) — 12/11/2012 @ 2:24 pm

  39. Hyperbole is not the same as actual violence, illman.

    Comment by JD (01d151) — 12/11/2012 @ 2:30 pm

  40. Actually Elephant, I’m probably more conservative than most democrats when it comes to gov’t expenses. That includes “entitlements” too. I’m not extreme about it, but when republicans voice concerns about how much our government’s spending, I think they’re right, in general. You guys have a good issue there. I don’t want the U.S. to end up like Greece either.

    Comment by Tillman (51d7aa) — 12/11/2012 @ 2:34 pm

  41. Between union goons and the Occupy movement, the left is a model of political civility and you will never see the violence of those movements reported on the Democrat Media Industrial Complex because it does not exist.

    (sarc)

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/11/2012 @ 2:34 pm

  42. #Rape Tent

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/11/2012 @ 2:35 pm

  43. “There will be blood” explained a little bit more:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323339704578173483204991330.html?mod=djemBestOfTheWeb_h

    He is referring a little bit to the “The battle of the overpass” in 1937 between union organizers and Ford Motor Co. security guards where Walter Reuther was thrown down a flight of stairs and another union organizer was left with a broken back.

    This has the tent story:

    http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/12/michigan_right_to_work_tension.html

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 12/11/2012 @ 2:36 pm

  44. 37. I dunno about threats but the goon that assaulted Crowder has been ID’d as one IBEW official named Tony Cummings.

    Thank the union for covering your defense and fines Tony, too bad about the time. Maybe you can get a per diem.

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 12/11/2012 @ 2:41 pm

  45. Tillman hates the Democratic Party, because when it comes to White Old Rich Men they’ve . . . got nothin’.

    Comment by Icy (3c77a8) — 12/11/2012 @ 2:43 pm

  46. 40. “I don’t want the U.S. to end up like Greece either.”

    We appreciate the sentiment but you’re tardy.

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 12/11/2012 @ 2:46 pm

  47. 25. The ballerina is going to be pizzed. Cover youse ears.

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 12/11/2012 @ 2:50 pm

  48. You have just got to love Democrats. They sit around and whine about the tea party and how “dangerous” it is. But they always seem to be the ones doing the beatings.

    Because they care.

    Comment by Ag80 (b2c81f) — 12/11/2012 @ 3:21 pm

  49. I can’t imagine AT&T is thrilled that their logo is visible on several of the IBEW thugs. Just lovely PR there.

    Comment by elissa (6ad788) — 12/11/2012 @ 3:23 pm

  50. So people are upset that you’ve crapped all over their opportunity to earn a livable wage? And this is shocking because…

    Comment by innocent bystander (8d5189) — 12/11/2012 @ 3:29 pm

  51. “innocent bystander” ain’t. Because he approves of union violence.

    Democrats seem to like violence as a method of convincing others of the correctness of their policy positions.

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 12/11/2012 @ 3:32 pm

  52. Yet another name and email addy for beach comber / innocent bystander.

    And it approves of violence, based on a flawed leftist economic mindset. Shocks.

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 12/11/2012 @ 3:32 pm

  53. And if unions really did “provide an opportunity for a living wage”, then they would not have to coerce workers into joining.

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 12/11/2012 @ 3:33 pm

  54. Kenneth Gladney was racist.

    Compare and contrast Tea Party violence to union and Occupy violence.

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 12/11/2012 @ 3:34 pm

  55. Especially PEU, SPQR.

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 12/11/2012 @ 3:34 pm

  56. Based on your comment you don’t understand the issue at all, do you “innocent”? Get a clue. Right to work has nothing to do with the “opportunity to earn a living wage”. Try again.

    Comment by elissa (6ad788) — 12/11/2012 @ 3:34 pm

  57. Right to work has nothing to do with the “opportunity to earn a living wage”. Try again.

    What makes you think the next try will be any less dishonest?

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 12/11/2012 @ 3:36 pm

  58. I approve of people getting angry when right wing psychopaths start attacking the middle class. Point out where I said that I approved of violence.

    Comment by innocent bystander (8d5189) — 12/11/2012 @ 3:44 pm

  59. Rob, when did I say that I hate rich people?

    Here, skippy:

    WORMs in – White, Old, Rich Men

    I’ve never come across a usage of “worm” that indicates anything but hatred and disgust.

    Comment by Rob Crawford (c55962) — 12/11/2012 @ 3:45 pm

  60. Hey JD if you are going to throw quotes around something I wrote you’d better have quoted it exactly…. you hack.

    Comment by innocent bystander (8d5189) — 12/11/2012 @ 3:46 pm

  61. right wing psychopaths start attacking the middle class

    When did that happen?

    Oh, you’re one of the ‘tards that defines “middle class” as synonymous with “union member thug”.

    Comment by Rob Crawford (c55962) — 12/11/2012 @ 3:46 pm

  62. Democrats seem to like violence as a method of convincing others of the correctness of their policy positions

    They’re “progressives”. Remember that they didn’t just like the policies of the Austrian Corporal, they liked his tactics.

    Comment by Rob Crawford (c55962) — 12/11/2012 @ 3:48 pm

  63. “innocent bystander”, since you don’t think its shocking that union thugs use violence to try to protect their unearned priviledges, its only reasonable to think you approve of violence.

    And this horse manure about “attacking the middle class” is pure Democrat lies. They are the ones “attacking the middle class”, Obama’s economic policies have destroyed middle class employment and middle class wealth.

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 12/11/2012 @ 3:50 pm

  64. I don’t think you understand the words “psychopaths” and “attack.”

    You see, when a person allows himself to become a violent, blood-lusting monster willing to hit opponent over a political issue passed by a majority of an elected body, that is a “psychopath” “attacking.”

    Here’s some homework: Look up “sycophant” you worthless putz.

    Comment by Ag80 (b2c81f) — 12/11/2012 @ 3:50 pm

  65. And if unions really did “provide an opportunity for a living wage”, then they would not have to coerce workers into joining.

    Coerce? That’s putting it mildly. They use the threat of state violence to keep employers in line and use acts of violence to keep would-be-dissenters in line. They are a protection racket, no different from any mob operation.

    What they’re upset over is that this threatens the river of cash they use to buy politicians — and without those politicians, they may not have the influence to cover up the corruption in their own ranks.

    Comment by Rob Crawford (c55962) — 12/11/2012 @ 3:51 pm

  66. Helpful hint — when the banner you’re marching beneath features a clenched fist, you’re one of the bad guys.

    Comment by Rob Crawford (c55962) — 12/11/2012 @ 3:52 pm

  67. Rob Crawford, slogans used to murder millions of kulaks is a hint too.

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 12/11/2012 @ 3:53 pm

  68. “So people are upset that you’ve crapped all over their opportunity to earn a livable wage?”

    innocent bystander – So people do not earn livable wages in right to work states? Your proof please?

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/11/2012 @ 3:54 pm

  69. During the WI protests I learned that a majority of the union protesters and their supporters could not articulate what they were angry about or even knew what the legislation entailed. They only hollered that their “rights” were being “taken away”. I noticed that most of the reporters/news media who reported the protests didn’t know what they were talking about either (usually making it sound like any and all future bargaining for contracts would be taboo)–which was, of course, not the case in WI.

    I’m so tired of the BS.

    Comment by elissa (6ad788) — 12/11/2012 @ 3:57 pm

  70. People’s wages are a lot more liveable when they don’t have to pay protection money to the mob.

    Comment by Milhouse (15b6fd) — 12/11/2012 @ 3:58 pm

  71. Remember “elections have consequences” … except when Republicans win.

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:02 pm

  72. innocent bystander – If people can’t make a “livable wage” in right to work states, why do people continue to live and work in such states?

    Are you always this stupid or do you just turn it up a few notches when you visit this blog?

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:03 pm

  73. Worms: That’s what Fidel Castro called people who left Cuba (or wanted to) – gusanos.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (11feb1) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:06 pm

  74. opportunity to earn a livable wage.

    I misread and said living wage. That was an egregious misstatement of your inanity.

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:06 pm

  75. 72- Awful logic. People live in all sorts of places a lot worse than Michigan.

    Comment by innocent bystander (8d5189) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:07 pm

  76. 59. Rob, I’m mostly a WORM myself, I just noticed the other day that my abbreviation – WOM – that I used here wasn’t complete. It also needs the rich part since the party is always sticking up for rich people. But I don’t hate the rich just because I came up with that acronym.

    Comment by Tillman (51d7aa) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:08 pm

  77. Well you typed living wage. I have no evidence that you actually said it. I’m sure such a minor error doesn’t matter to somebody who consistently misrepresents others’ positions then calls them liars.

    Comment by innocent bystander (8d5189) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:09 pm

  78. Innocent bystander / beach comber / name du jour cannot even articulate why it is so angry and condoning violence.

    Let’s accept it’s silly construct as true – right to work does not allow workers to make a livable wage, and is an attack on the middle class. It then goes on to claim that it approves of people getting angry when right wing psychopaths attack the middle class. There is simply too much BS to unpack in those two little phrases. So, innocent bystander aka bech comber aka whatever name and email it pulls out it’s arse next, doesn’t support violence, just people getting angry at psychopaths. Gotcha.

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:13 pm

  79. “72- Awful logic. People live in all sorts of places a lot worse than Michigan.”

    innocent bystander – Sorry Cupcake, it’s your logic in #50 where you claim by passing RTW legislation, Michigan has crapped away the opportunity for people to earn a “livable wage.”

    Show your work.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:14 pm

  80. The difference between a living wage and a livable wage is ginormous. Hunormous. The difference between black and white. Orders of magnitude wrong.

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:15 pm

  81. Interesting [object TextRange].

    Comment by innocent bystander (8d5189) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:17 pm

  82. Water is wet

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:20 pm

  83. I approve of people getting angry when right wing psychopaths start attacking the middle class.

    Unlike the rightwingers, leftwing psychopaths love to force the middle class to pay for all the garbage best symbolized by overpaid, self-entitled, greedy, pencil-pushing, vacations/holidays-up-the-wazoo, big-cushy-pension bureaucrats stationed throughout government, at the local, state and federal levels.

    Comment by Mark (3617ce) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:21 pm

  84. I cannot find a difference between living wages and livable wages.

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:24 pm

  85. Union workers are driving state and local governments into bankruptcy. That’s a real sustainable wage advantage “innocent bystander”…

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:24 pm

  86. Payback is a bitch, oh, wait, you did it to yourselves?

    http://www.jammiewf.com/2012/six-weeks-after-sandy-devastated-far-rockaway-residents-decry-lack-of-help-i-feel-like-im-in-a-third-world-country/

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:27 pm

  87. I always enjoy the irony of people that turn to and trust big government for all the solutions, to simultaneously advocate for PEU’s, designed to protect workers from abuse at the hands of the big government, the same big government they would entrust with things like our health care decisions.

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:27 pm

  88. Blaming the victim Gary. Sounds like somebody dishes out domestic abuse. “She had it coming”… sound familiar?

    Comment by innocent bystander (8d5189) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:32 pm

  89. Crowder had it coming because Republican psychopaths attacked middle class livable wages?

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:33 pm

  90. Proving once again there is virtually no difference between Unions and Organized crime.

    Comment by Paul (86a55d) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:34 pm

  91. What unions are good for in Detroit is restoring your job if you’re caught blowing dope and boozing over lunch.

    Give us our rights!

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:34 pm

  92. 71- Do gerrymandered elections have consequences too? Ohio has a huge gop advantage in the state congress because of creatively drawn districts.

    Comment by innocent bystander (8d5189) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:41 pm

  93. Raise your hand if you think innocent bystander aka beach comber does not condone the violence in MI today.

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:43 pm

  94. “innocent bystander”, so you believe that Democrats don’t gerrymander districts? You really are a moron.

    The word comes from the acts of Massachusetts Governor Gerry, who was a Democrat.

    Gerrymandering is perfectly legal so long as its not used to violate the voting rights act and prevent minority candidates from achieving office.

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:45 pm

  95. Right wing violence doesn’t exist… except that it does.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/20/terrorism-analyst-u-s-ignores-threat-of-violent-right-wing-extremists/

    Comment by innocent bystander (8d5189) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:47 pm

  96. Raise your hand if you think that right wing violence doesn’t exist…

    I didn’t condone violence, but I certainly understand the anger.

    Comment by innocent bystander (8d5189) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:48 pm

  97. Raw story? Lol

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:48 pm

  98. Fascism is always falling on the Republicans but landing on Democrats.

    Comment by Pious Agnostic (20c167) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:49 pm

  99. SPQR and Pious – an honest comparison and contrast between the claimed Tea Party violence and racism and the actual instances of same from the unions and occupy would be interesting.

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:51 pm

  100. Thuggery, rioting, and looting.
    The new Democrats have taken over. Time for the republicans to step aside and shut up. Let us Rednecks do the talking.

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:51 pm

  101. LOL!!! ROFL! LMAO. :-) ;-) :-P LOLZZ!!!

    Comment by innocent bystander (8d5189) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:52 pm

  102. A liberal could stroll around a Tea Party gathering holding hands with his boyfriend, wearing matching “We Love Obama” t-shirts and fear nothing more than some strong rhetoric.

    The same two fellows would be pounded into the ground at this Michigan Union gathering by their co-religionists.

    And everybody knows it.

    Comment by Pious Agnostic (20c167) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:54 pm

  103. No way pious. No way. Nobody with any sense whatsoever ‘knows’ that.

    Comment by innocent bystander (8d5189) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:55 pm

  104. JD, such a comparison is easy. There was no violence at TEA Party rallies. None.

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:55 pm

  105. I waded briefly into the cess pool of the comments section that The numpty of many names provided from Raw Story. Good Allah the insanity runs deep over there…

    Comment by Gazzer (c9d900) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:58 pm

  106. Raw Story, that’s Kimberlin’s outfit, the one who maimed an innocent bystander with a pipebomb.

    Comment by narciso (ee31f1) — 12/11/2012 @ 4:58 pm

  107. Care to try the experiment innocent bystander?

    Comment by Pious Agnostic (20c167) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:00 pm

  108. Wait. None?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dawn-teo/tea-party-protest-turns-v_b_360035.html

    Comment by innocent bystander (8d5189) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:01 pm

  109. Rawstory is the old RobBryn den of crazy, the militant progressive conspiracy nutterz of the MediaMutterz ThinkRegress wing of the Left. It is often copypastad by barking moonbatsm and was a real favorite of William Yelverton.

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:03 pm

  110. Innocent bystander, did you read the story?

    The video, which was shot by Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC), shows two Tea Partiers with their own video cameras making their way through the area designated by police for counter protesters from ANSWER. As the Tea Partiers reach the end of the ANSWER group, one of the Tea Partiers can be seen having an argument with one of the ANSWER counter-protesters when that counter-protester pummels him with his sign.

    It looks like the person from ANSWER started the violence.

    Try again.

    Comment by Chuck Bartowski (11fb31) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:05 pm

  111. You do realize, JD, that there is a similar faction of people that look to the right and its mouthpieces the same way that you look to the left. National Review, Hot Air.. they are all jokes. Expecting you to understand that is like teaching a chimp quantum physics, but I have to try.

    Comment by innocent bystander (8d5189) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:06 pm

  112. And innocent bystander links to a story that contains only evidence of ANSWER – a group with a history of violent protests – starting a fight at a TEA Party rally. That’s the evidence of TEA Party violence and typical of the dishonesty of “innocent bystander”.

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:06 pm

  113. It doesn’t even read its own links.

    Comment by Gazzer (c9d900) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:06 pm

  114. Well, JD, I wanted to point out the violence propensity of one of their benefactors,

    Comment by narciso (ee31f1) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:07 pm

  115. Go read the link, from the troll. It must have just googled tea party violent, and put up a link to a HuffPo article. Because the linked article demonstrates that a leftist counter protestor beat up a Tea Paertier with a sign on a stick, after their group called for violence ahead of the Tea Party rally. ANSWER, after the fact, claimed that the TEA Paertier had menacingly swing a camera tripod at them.

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:07 pm

  116. Great minds … That was Gleenwaldian.

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:08 pm

  117. So people are upset that you’ve crapped all over their opportunity to earn a livable wage?

    There are plenty of right-to-work states, and the people there seem to live pretty well.

    Fun fact: in the non-right-to-work states, average hourly wage is about 10% higher than that in the right-to-work states. But the cost of living index is about 20% higher. So, you could argue that the union shops actually detract from people’s ability to earn a living wage.

    Comment by Chuck Bartowski (11fb31) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:10 pm

  118. Like the Piranha Bros, they had to nail people to the floorboards.

    Comment by narciso (ee31f1) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:12 pm

  119. Is that you JD?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUsBvkfQKUw

    Comment by innocent bystander (8d5189) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:12 pm

  120. I didn’t condone violence, but I certainly understand the anger.

    Hell, yes. But not anger emanating from all the fools on the left. But from anyone with more than an ounce of common sense, whether a conservative or moderate (or even a token liberal). Any person who isn’t an idiot, sap and sucker — meaning anyone who isn’t glomming off of the public sector — should be livid.

    Bloomberg.com, Dec 10, 2012:

    Today, [California] state’s highest-paid employees make far more than comparable workers elsewhere in almost all job and wage categories, from public safety to health care, base pay to overtime. Payroll data compiled by Bloomberg on 1.4 million public employees in the 12 most-populous states show that California has set a pattern for lax management, inefficient operations and out-of-control costs.

    From coast to coast, states are cutting funding for schools, public safety and the poor as they struggle with fallout left by politicians who made pay-and-pension promises that taxpayers couldn’t afford.

    “All it took was for political leaders to think more about the general population and the future, rather than their political futures,” said Crane, a Democrat who worked as an economic adviser to former Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican. “Citizens should be mad as hell, and they shouldn’t take it anymore.”

    Across the U.S., such compensation policies have contributed to state budget shortfalls of $500 billion in the past four years and prompted some governors, including Republican Scott Walker of Wisconsin, to strip most government employees of collective-bargaining rights and take other steps to limit payroll spending.

    In California, Governor Jerry Brown hasn’t curbed overtime expenses that lead the 12 largest states or limited payments for accumulated vacation time that allowed one employee to collect $609,000 at retirement in 2011. Last year, Brown waived a cap on accrued leave for prison guards while granting them additional paid days off. California’s liability for the unused leave of its state workers has more than doubled in eight years, to $3.9 billion in 2011, from $1.4 billion in 2003, according to the state’s annual financial reports.

    Among the largest states, almost every category of worker has participated in the pay bonanza. Britt Harris, chief investment officer at the Teacher Retirement System of Texas, last year collected $1 million — including his $480,000 salary and two years of bonuses — more than four times what Republican Governor Rick Perry received.

    State police officers in Pennsylvania collected checks as big as $190,000 for unused vacation and personal leave as they retired young enough to start second careers, while Virginia paid active officers as much as $109,000 in overtime alone, the data show. The numbers are even larger in California, where a state psychiatrist was paid $822,000, a highway patrol officer collected $484,000 in pay and pension benefits and 17 employees got checks of more than $200,000 for unused vacation and leave.

    ^ And keep in mind that unlike a typical “1 percenter” — be it a Mitt Romney, Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, George Soros, David Koch, or any number of Hollywood/NY limousine liberals — the people described above force us — force we the people, force we the taxpayer — to provide for their salaries and perks.

    Comment by Mark (3617ce) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:13 pm

  121. It’s ironic when Union members complain about “freeloaders” who benefit from their collective bargaining efforts.

    Suck it up, buddy. Working hard for the benefit of freeloaders is what you voted for in November.

    Comment by Pious Agnostic (20c167) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:15 pm

  122. I am not from Ohio. You are a loon. And seem to be more angry by the comment. But that is what we have come to expect from you, and those like you that came before.

    You didn’t even read your own link previously, did you?

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:15 pm

  123. Who was the innocent bystander in your link? Who was the innocent bystander in MI today?

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:16 pm

  124. And they wonder why the place is going to the dogs;

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/11/Lansing-Mayor-Tells-Mob-I-Am-Proud-Of-You-As-City-Erupts-In-Chaos

    Comment by narciso (ee31f1) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:17 pm

  125. “Do gerrymandered elections have consequences too?”

    innocent bystander – Oh Noes! Watch out for those dancing goal posts!

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:18 pm

  126. JD, the hilarious part is that “innocent bystander” somehow thinks I didn’t know what he was going to link in advance when I wrote my comment.

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:26 pm

  127. ANSWER, the Stalinist or is it Maoist cheerleaders,
    oh frabjous joy.

    Comment by narciso (ee31f1) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:28 pm

  128. Surprise, well not really, I mean he did say ‘get in their faces,

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/11/white-house-declines-to-condemn-union-violence-in-michigan/

    Comment by narciso (ee31f1) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:30 pm

  129. i continue to be amused by the leftards calling for violence & civil war against the right when it’s the right that owns most of the private firearms and serves or has served in the military.

    who do you morons think is going to win this confrontation you so desperately want?

    but please, by all means, quit talking smack and jump if you’re so damn froggy. i want to see your puppy dog a55es bleed to cover the checks your bull dog mouths have been writing.

    until then, get off my lawn and quit yapping: you’re boring.

    Comment by redc1c4 (403dff) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:38 pm

  130. From your own link, stupid:
    “Johnson formerly worked at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), where he authored a report about rightwing extremism. Conservative pundits blasted the reporting, alleging that the Obama administration was trying to criminalize rightwing views. Under pressure, the DHS repudiated the report.”

    So this is the author of that infamous piece of defamation that the DHS had to withdraw, and now he’s an “analyst” whose views should be paid attention to?!

    Comment by Milhouse (15b6fd) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:43 pm

  131. 112.And innocent bystander links to a story that contains only evidence of ANSWER – a group with a history of violent protests – starting a fight at a TEA Party rally. That’s the evidence of TEA Party violence and typical of the dishonesty of “innocent bystander”.

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:06 pm

    Well you know if that TEA Party guy didn’t “attack” the ANSWER guy by asking him a question on camera the ANSWER guy wouldn’t have had to defend himself by hitting him wwith his sign.

    Just keep in mind that vile creatures like innocent bystander use words the same way as vile creatures like Hamas.

    As in “the Israelis commit war crimes and terrorism against the Palestinians resisting the illegal occupation.”

    Translation: They built an effective barrier to stop Hamasholes from sneaking across the border and into Israeli homes so they could slit the throats of sleeping children.

    Bye the bye, there’s a reason the institutional western left, and by that I mean communists unionistas progressives support the Palestinians so unreservedly.

    They’re all Hamasholes.

    Comment by Steve57 (d941b2) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:44 pm

  132. Steve57 – some of the leftists are trafficking the idea that Stranahan false flagged the tent bring torn down, and Criwder invited the violence.

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:47 pm

  133. Wait. None?

    Yes, none. Did you bother reading the link you provided? The HuffPo story makes it clear that the TEA Partiers were the victims of communist violence, not the perpetrators. The video shows that. Then there’s an update saying that the communists, of course, deny this; but what kind of idiot would take their word for it?

    Comment by Milhouse (15b6fd) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:49 pm

  134. National Review, Hot Air.. they are all jokes.

    Really? What foundation do you have for that claim?

    Comment by Milhouse (15b6fd) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:51 pm

  135. I heard all the Jews got phone calls to get out of the tent early.

    Comment by Pious Agnostic (20c167) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:54 pm

  136. Now three months later, the DHS did not flag when the first AQAP attack on US soil, the hit on the Little Rock recruiting station,

    Comment by narciso (ee31f1) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:54 pm

  137. 117. There are plenty of right-to-work states, and the people there seem to live pretty well.

    Fun fact: in the non-right-to-work states, average hourly wage is about 10% higher than that in the right-to-work states. But the cost of living index is about 20% higher. So, you could argue that the union shops actually detract from people’s ability to earn a living wage.

    Comment by Chuck Bartowski (11fb31) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:10 pm

    You forgot to subract their union dues from their paychecks. So they don’t make quite as much more than the figures would show.

    Then there’s the cost of living. It isn’t just the union wages that drive up costs and make unionized companies less competitive. It’s also the rules.

    When the Teamsters insist that Twinkies can’t be delivered on the same truck as the Wonderbread, and that the driver can’t be the one to load or unload the truck, everyone pays more.

    Until production of the Twinkies and Wonderbread moves to Mexico following the liquidation of Hostess.

    Comment by Steve57 (d941b2) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:57 pm

  138. Hey innocent, maybe you can teach me some quantum physics, I’m kind of hairy. But just for grinz & gigglez, could you define “linear Hermitian operator” in a way that doesn’t rhyme with wiki? Just to get started?

    Comment by phunctor (6e8a27) — 12/11/2012 @ 5:59 pm

  139. Just in case anyone wasn’t keeping track back when ANSWER was regularly in the news, it’s a Trotskyist group. When I wrote “communist” above I wasn’t being rhetorical, I was being literal.

    Comment by Milhouse (15b6fd) — 12/11/2012 @ 6:02 pm

  140. 88. Except Sandy wasn’t a serial abuser, Dhimmicrat politicians are.

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 12/11/2012 @ 6:07 pm

  141. Plus, the unions blocked nonunion relief from doing work on Long Island,

    Comment by narciso (ee31f1) — 12/11/2012 @ 6:17 pm

  142. On the twitters, it is remarkable how many leftists are ranting about Crowder and Breitbart, how he deserved a beating, will be in hell with AB, etc

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 12/11/2012 @ 6:18 pm

  143. I think we should print up T-shirts that say “Tea Party Enforcer” and get pictures of little old ladies wearing them.

    Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 12/11/2012 @ 6:19 pm

  144. I am sure that if there were problems with Hurricane Sandy we would hear about it in the news, and I’m not.

    Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 12/11/2012 @ 6:20 pm

  145. Righr Chris Christie, would have told us, must have been a figment of my imagination,

    Comment by narciso (ee31f1) — 12/11/2012 @ 6:24 pm

  146. MD – earlier i read how there is no evidence of Occupy and union violence because there was little to no media coverage, and if it happened, it would have been covered.

    Comment by JD (01d151) — 12/11/2012 @ 6:29 pm

  147. My only problem with the entire spectacle was Crowder failing to return volley.

    Ah, but going on the offensive just isn’t in the Republican playbook, but whining is in there.

    Be honest here. Would you rather have Crowder win in the courtroom or duck the wild roundhouse right and then hit him with a uppercut to the nose, then slam a left hook to the temple, putting said dude on queer street.

    You concerned about the lefty press and how they’d spin the incident? Well it’s all there to see and who it was that instigated the scrum.

    Comment by scott (b8618e) — 12/11/2012 @ 6:35 pm

  148. Whiners

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 12/11/2012 @ 7:16 pm

  149. Translation: They built an effective barrier to stop Hamasholes from sneaking across the border and into Israeli homes so they could slit the throats of sleeping children.

    Remember the brave Palestinian resistance fighter who emptied his automatic rifle into an occupied car seat?

    The left supports him and his cause.

    So, why are we shocked that they do their damnedest to cover for the violence-prone in their own ranks? How long has the left been covering for the “animal rights” terrorists and “eco” terrorists and all the various Communist terrorist groups, from the Shining Path to Red Brigades to Weather Underground.

    The left adores the violent. They think being violent means you’re more committed to “the cause”.

    Why do you think they rally around Kimberlin?

    Comment by Rob Crawford (d8dade) — 12/11/2012 @ 8:56 pm

  150. I heard all the Jews got phone calls to get out of the tent early.

    Pious Agnostic wins the thread!

    Comment by Chuck Bartowski (ad7249) — 12/11/2012 @ 9:39 pm

  151. Freedom of speech is only theoretical.

    Comment by Dustin (73fead) — 12/11/2012 @ 10:20 pm

  152. I love the headline and the link that brought me here!!!
    GOOOOOOOOOOONIONS…..”THREATEN” Violence.
    That’s kind of like saying. WEATHERMAN PREDICTS SNOW…..after a 15 inch snow fall.
    This is the END for GOOOOOOOOOOONIONS. The MFM and GOOOOOONIONS, will die together. America will not be bullied by 82 i.q.’d HOFFA wannabees.

    Comment by gus (694db4) — 12/11/2012 @ 10:23 pm

  153. 146. Comment by JD (01d151) — 12/11/2012 @ 6:29 pm

    MD – earlier i read how there is no evidence of Occupy and union violence because there was little to no media coverage, and if it happened, it would have been covered

    That’s always a bad argument. There’s an amazing number of things that even when cover3ed, never get traction. When the media swarms over something, it sort of looks like taht is what it does all the time.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 12/14/2012 @ 10:31 am

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