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	<title>Comments on: 2012 Heisman Trophy Winner &#8211; Johnny Football</title>
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		<title>By: Smock Puppet, 10th Dan Snark Master and Dietary Regimen Inspector</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2012/12/08/2012-heisman-trophy-winner-johnny-football/comment-page-1/#comment-1126366</link>
		<dc:creator>Smock Puppet, 10th Dan Snark Master and Dietary Regimen Inspector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 03:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Manziel’s season would have been a remarkable season for a senior, and the fact that a freshman had that season should have been a positive rather than a negative.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

More importantly, he had it against &lt;i&gt;not only&lt;/i&gt; &lt;b&gt;SEC defenses&lt;/b&gt;, but against &lt;i&gt;some of the BEST&lt;/i&gt; &lt;b&gt;SEC defenses&lt;/b&gt;...

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;I had $10 to win $100 on Te-o. So I think that this result is a great injustice.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Damn straight you cheap bastard, I only got a lousy stinking &lt;i&gt;buck &lt;/i&gt;off your ass.... :oD</description>
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<p>More importantly, he had it against <i>not only</i> <b>SEC defenses</b>, but against <i>some of the BEST</i> <b>SEC defenses</b>&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><i>I had $10 to win $100 on Te-o. So I think that this result is a great injustice.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Damn straight you cheap bastard, I only got a lousy stinking <i>buck </i>off your ass&#8230;. <img src='http://patterico.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> D</p>
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		<title>By: Smock Puppet, 10th Dan Snark Master and Dietary Regimen Inspector</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smock Puppet, 10th Dan Snark Master and Dietary Regimen Inspector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 03:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Woodson/Manning&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

Manning was always overrated as a college player, and even as a pro he never SERIOUSLY did well until they got a front line for him that could cover his chickenshit ass properly

The way to beat any Manning team is to get to him a couple times, sack his ass at least twice in the first quarter. 

Y&#039;see, he&#039;s got happy feet. No, not the commenter... You sack his ass a couple times, and he gets nervous whenever a safety or a linemen LOOKS like they&#039;re going to blitz.

Spurrier knew this. It&#039;s why Manning never won against Florida, even AFTER Wuerrfel left and they had a first-year starter.

His first year, he lost, but no surpise, as he got thrust into the QB role after the starting QB (taking over for the going pro Heath Schuler) got his career ended in the first game of the season.

The second year, though, the Gators let him get up 30-14, before putting the hammer down to win the game 62-37. 

The third year was the Gator&#039;s NC year, 1996 -- the Gators put 35 of the board then coasted to a 35-29 win. This was Wuerfel&#039;s last year, meaning 1997 was Mannings Big Chance.

But nope. Florida&#039;s running game trumped Manning&#039;s passing game, as UF&#039;s Fred Taylor put 134 yards on UT in only 17 attempts, and Manning lost 33-20.

And THAT is why he never got the Heisman. Because he couldn&#039;t beat Florida even when they were coming down off an NC year. Because EVERY single one of the 3 relevant UF games showed a different way to beat Manning.

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<p>Manning was always overrated as a college player, and even as a pro he never SERIOUSLY did well until they got a front line for him that could cover his chickenshit ass properly</p>
<p>The way to beat any Manning team is to get to him a couple times, sack his ass at least twice in the first quarter. </p>
<p>Y&#8217;see, he&#8217;s got happy feet. No, not the commenter&#8230; You sack his ass a couple times, and he gets nervous whenever a safety or a linemen LOOKS like they&#8217;re going to blitz.</p>
<p>Spurrier knew this. It&#8217;s why Manning never won against Florida, even AFTER Wuerrfel left and they had a first-year starter.</p>
<p>His first year, he lost, but no surpise, as he got thrust into the QB role after the starting QB (taking over for the going pro Heath Schuler) got his career ended in the first game of the season.</p>
<p>The second year, though, the Gators let him get up 30-14, before putting the hammer down to win the game 62-37. </p>
<p>The third year was the Gator&#8217;s NC year, 1996 &#8212; the Gators put 35 of the board then coasted to a 35-29 win. This was Wuerfel&#8217;s last year, meaning 1997 was Mannings Big Chance.</p>
<p>But nope. Florida&#8217;s running game trumped Manning&#8217;s passing game, as UF&#8217;s Fred Taylor put 134 yards on UT in only 17 attempts, and Manning lost 33-20.</p>
<p>And THAT is why he never got the Heisman. Because he couldn&#8217;t beat Florida even when they were coming down off an NC year. Because EVERY single one of the 3 relevant UF games showed a different way to beat Manning.</p>
<p> <img src='http://patterico.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: viktor</title>
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		<dc:creator>viktor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 00:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had $10 to win $100 on Te-o.  So I think that this result is a great injustice.</description>
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		<title>By: Elephant Stone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elephant Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 21:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may not appear there are a bunch of &quot;sure bets&quot; among collegians this season, but I think it&#039;s harder than we think to identify &quot;NFL sure bets.&quot; So many &quot;sure bets&quot; end up doing belly flops and face plants once they get into the NFL, while there are an awful lot of under the radar collegians who attend Whatchamacalit Tech who end up making a splash in the NFL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may not appear there are a bunch of &#8220;sure bets&#8221; among collegians this season, but I think it&#8217;s harder than we think to identify &#8220;NFL sure bets.&#8221; So many &#8220;sure bets&#8221; end up doing belly flops and face plants once they get into the NFL, while there are an awful lot of under the radar collegians who attend Whatchamacalit Tech who end up making a splash in the NFL.</p>
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		<title>By: Diffus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diffus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 20:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>miked, though you&#039;re probably correct insofar as there not being many franchise-resurrectionists among this year&#039;s junior and senior skill players, Manziel&#039;s season would have been a remarkable season for a senior, and the fact that a freshman had that season should have been a positive rather than a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>miked, though you&#8217;re probably correct insofar as there not being many franchise-resurrectionists among this year&#8217;s junior and senior skill players, Manziel&#8217;s season would have been a remarkable season for a senior, and the fact that a freshman had that season should have been a positive rather than a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: miked</title>
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		<dc:creator>miked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 18:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First-ever frosh winner underscores imo a big big talent hole in this years crop of top college players. 

Not good for NFL teams looking to turn a team around quickly with 1st round talent. 
You know who you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First-ever frosh winner underscores imo a big big talent hole in this years crop of top college players. </p>
<p>Not good for NFL teams looking to turn a team around quickly with 1st round talent.<br />
You know who you are.</p>
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		<title>By: prowlerguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>prowlerguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 18:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In much more important college football news, Navy defeated Army for the 11th time in a row to claim the Commander in Chief&#039;s Tropy. GO NAVY!! BEAT ARMY!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In much more important college football news, Navy defeated Army for the 11th time in a row to claim the Commander in Chief&#8217;s Tropy. GO NAVY!! BEAT ARMY!!</p>
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		<title>By: George "GM" Roper</title>
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		<dc:creator>George "GM" Roper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 18:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not an Aggie fan by any stretch of the imagination, but Johnny M. &lt;b&gt;DESERVES&lt;/b&gt; this trophy.  Well played indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not an Aggie fan by any stretch of the imagination, but Johnny M. <b>DESERVES</b> this trophy.  Well played indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Aggie Jurist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aggie Jurist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 17:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second the Whoop!</description>
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		<title>By: mg</title>
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		<dc:creator>mg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 11:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First Heisman for the aggies since 1957, when John David Crow won it as a r.b.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First Heisman for the aggies since 1957, when John David Crow won it as a r.b.</p>
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