Patterico's Pontifications

12/3/2012

Undefeated Notre Dame

Filed under: General — JD @ 6:41 pm

[Guest post by JD]

A palate cleanser from the fiscal cliff bad faith from the President. Boehner presented a compromise proposal based on Bowles’ recommendations including $800,000,000,000 in revenues, but they rejected it out of hand with typical class warfare rhetoric.

So, on the lighter side, Notre Dame football remains the only undefeated team in the BCS, and will play Alabama, who won a great game against Georgia (and could have easily lost with a little better clock management by Georgia at the end of the game). Notre Dame undefeated, and playing for a national title. All is right in the football world.

In pro football, Atlanta and New England appear to be the class of their conferences, with Denver making a strong push as they get comfortable with their new system. Wilson and RG3 get most of the press for Rookie of the Year, but Andrew Luck just keeps winning games, with ice in his veins.

Notre Dame. Undefeated. That has a nice ring to it.

– JD

56 Responses to “Undefeated Notre Dame”

  1. Undefeated

    JD (318f81)

  2. Roll Tide Roll!

    TiminAL (ed293b)

  3. A post about the fortunes of Notre Dame would not be complete without mentioning that USC finished the regular season with a record of 7-5…one fewer victory than that traditional football juggernaut, Vanderbilt.

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  4. JD:

    You’re just baiting me, aren’t you?

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  5. Mmmmmm… Lou Holtz was on ESPN the other day, babbling that teams should have to win their conference championship to play in the BCS title game. I was all like, “Shut up Lou Holtz…”

    It’s gonna be funny to watch Manti Te’o get steamrolled by those two vicious cannonballs that Alabama call running backs.

    Leviticus (17b7a5)

  6. Touchdown Jesus, and the fans of the Irish will be no. 1 at boarding the paddy wagon.
    N.D. fans remind me of dead heads, cult like and tripping.

    mg (31009b)

  7. Yeah, those two Alabama backs are a couple of Mack trucks.

    I’ve never liked that argument that Lou Holtz was making regarding a team should have to win its conference in order to “deserve” a spot in the national championship game.
    That premise automatically excludes the notion that the two best teams may indeed be in the same conference, such as the case last year, when LSU and Alabama were the two best teams. And in some of these conferences where they split them into two divisions, they can’t play against each other in the conference championship game. LSU and Alabama, for instance, which are both in the SEC West, and thus, only one of those teams can appear in the conference championship. In the future, Ohio St and Penn St may face that issue, likewise USC and UCLA.

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  8. One slight correction: Ohio State is also undefeated (and is still in the BCS).

    TennLion (97403b)

  9. Holtz sucks. A quitter in my eyes.

    mg (31009b)

  10. Ohio State is not eligible for the BCS but is in the FBS.

    Now, you really want to start something, try ‘splainin’ how Te’o or Klein deserve serious consideration for the number one spot on any voter’s Heisman ballot.

    Thought experiment: You’re on the school playground, with first pick from the FBS universe to field a team of college players. Which of the three Heisman finalists would you start your team with?

    Diffus (4a5ca6)

  11. Elephant Stone,

    What I thought was hilarious was that Holtz was making that argument while simultaneously defending Notre Dame’s national title credentials. What conference championship did Notre Dame win again?

    Leviticus (17b7a5)

  12. College football should be made illegal. And all college football coaches, administrators, and auxiliaries, should be lined up and machine-gunned down.

    Please tell me something more idiotic than college football. Kids getting themselves ruined when they’re supposed to be getting an education. And only one in a thousand of them will make it into the National Felon League.

    nk (875f57)

  13. Diffus – Marcus Mariota, D’Anthony Thomas, Braxton Miller

    JD (318f81)

  14. Diffus – Johnny Franklin, Johnny Football, AJ McCarron

    JD (318f81)

  15. Notre Dame undefeated, and playing for a national title. All is right in the football world.

    Notre Dame. Undefeated. That has a nice ring to it.

    Don’t get too used to it… it won’t last for the whole season. ;-)

    Until ND regularly schedules a typically decent SEC team on its schedule, they’ll never know HOW good they are until the bowl games, and that’s too late to fix it.

    Lou Holtz was on ESPN the other day, babbling that teams should have to win their conference championship to play in the BCS title game. I was all like, “Shut up Lou Holtz…”

    Yeah, because I’d put Louisville in the NC game ahead of Oregon.

    Oh, wait, no, I’d put Northern Illinois in the NC game before I’d put Lousyville. And I don’t think EITHER those two OR Wisconsin belongs in a BCS game.

    Frankly, he’s got it wrong. If your conference champion isn’t in the top 12 BCS ranking, your “auto” bid should be reverted to an at-large. Either field good teams or give up the gold to those who do. Conference championship doesn’t mean crap any more than straight-up W/L if your conference or schedule is all filled with jumped up High School teams. This is always the case with Boise State and the Big Least. It happens to be the case with the Big Lebenty-Seven this year

    I do respect the Pac-12 in one way… unlike two other conferences, they do appear to graduate alumni who can reliably count above 10…

    IGotBupkis, Legally Defined Cyberbully in All 57 States (8e2a3d)

  16. And only one in a thousand of them will make it into the National Felon League.

    Hrm. Methinks the troll is strong in this one, yes, yes it is.

    Darth Pumpkin, Sith Nerf Lord (8e2a3d)

  17. The Texans will hae something to say about matters in the NFL . . .

    Unlike the silly nonsense of college football with its silly BCS and usual speculation, in the NFL, the better team will win.

    But a tip o’me Irrrrish derby to, well, Da Irish.

    Been waiting a bit, boys. This is one time not even the BCS or the coaches or the idiotic sportswriters can screw you or the Tide up . . .

    It’s up to y’all!

    jb (0fecb7)

  18. Yay, Domers!

    Erin go bragh!

    Patricia (be0117)

  19. Alabama, Georgia, Florida, LSU, South Carolina, Texas A&M:

    Combined records: 64 wins, 10 losses.

    Combined records without playing each other: 55-0. (And, LSU is the only one of those six who played at least four of the others. Tigers 2-2 against Alabama, Florida, South Carolina, Texas A&M. Love to see what ND would have had they played those four.)

    I challenge any other conference to have any records close to those.

    As for Notre Dame, give them all credit for going undefeated. You can only play who you play. So, in that sense, they have had a great season. With that, when you beat Pitt because they miss a short field goal when the coach doesn’t put the ball in the middle of the field in OT; when Stanford isn’t given a winning score in OT; when you can only beat Michigan 13-6 and Boston College (BOSTON COLLEGE????) 21-6….

    You may not belong….we’ll see on January 7th….

    SEC RULZ!!! for the 7th straight time….

    reff (4dcda2)

  20. And people wonder why SEC fans are so off-putting.

    JD (318f81)

  21. That wasn’t a slam on reff, in particular, but a pervasive mindset that has become more than tiresome. The SEC plays great football, but it has almost become a divine right to their fans that they are the only place football is played, and that any non-SEC school only has a good record because they are not in the SEC.

    JD (318f81)

  22. Notre Dame. Undefeated. That has a nice ring to it.

    As a Jew, I find this offensive, sir.

    My Sharia Moor (7ede7d)

  23. It amazes me that freedom-loving individuals can love the travesty known as college football. The only thing holding up CF is the NFL draft, which is restraint of free trade and therefore an assault on individual liberty. In what other non-sport profession is there a restriction from an individual being able to choose their place to work, and/or sell their services to the highest bidder?

    Considering that this system aids and abets the indoctrination of young minds by Marxist professors, freeing the football players to follow their dreams should be a cause for freedom.

    Pablo panadero (8daa38)

  24. 12-Is there a pro rock throwing league in that lazy, gimme, gimme, over rated piece of shit country greece? Idiots can’t even make cars.

    mg (31009b)

  25. The Packers are in the driver’s seat to XLVII.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  26. The Pac-12 has such smart football teams, that they thought they could get away with deflating the footballs in the first half of the game vs Oregon.
    Amazingly, they still only held Oregon to a “mere” 62 points.

    I am a west coast guy, but I do love both Notre Dame and the SEC.
    I realize some SEC fans go over-the-top in their “our conference VS your conference” rivalry. Nonetheless, the SEC is the dominant conference.

    Notre Dame always plays a tough schedule…this year they beat Oklahoma, Stanford, Michigan, Michigan St, USC, Purdue, Miami, BYU, et al….a couple of those teams may have had “down” years, but those schools still recruit top-flight high school talent to put on the field. The Irish have self-imposed academic standards that often exclude some top-flight high school players from playing for them. Stanford has that issue, too.

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  27. Oops…neglected to mention that the Pac-12 team that got caught deflating footballs vs Oregon was USC.

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  28. Nonetheless, the SEC is the dominant conference.

    At this moment in time. It has not always been, nor will it always be,

    JD (318f81)

  29. I got Bup wrote:

    Until ND regularly schedules a typically decent SEC team on its schedule, they’ll never know HOW good they are until the bowl games, and that’s too late to fix it.

    Well, that’s just it: while the championship game has only one SEC team in it, instead of two, we’ll still be reading about the SEC’s long string of national championships continuing.

    The SEC school alumnus Dana (3e4784)

  30. Patricia wrote:

    Erin go bragh!

    Round here, we prefer Erin go braghless. :)

    The deviated prevert Dana (3e4784)

  31. Reff – for the record, Florida also played 4 of the top SEC schools (two loss or better) going 3-1.

    JD – I think the SEC will remain the dominant conference for some time because that is where the high school talent is located. The most NFL players come from California high schools. After that it is Tx, Fla, Ga and La. Per capita the gulf coast blows the rest of the country away in terms of blue chip football talent.

    Roscoe (15d927)

  32. Patterico, you call that a “compromise proposal?” Neither side has even begun to compromise.

    Tillman (51d7aa)

  33. Patterico did not write this, and absolutely yes, it is a compromise. Team R agreed to hundreds of billions in new “revenues”. But that is not enough for the class warfare anti-capitalists.

    JD (318f81)

  34. Tillman, the Simpson-Bowles commission said it was a possible compromise. You really are a clown.

    SPQR (768505)

  35. Boehner ought to zero out the TSA in his cuts. These guys have no sense of showmanship.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  36. No Heisman chatter?

    Johnny Football, baby.

    Em (537208)

  37. Could be the first freshman to win the heisman.
    I hope he does.

    mg (31009b)

  38. ND would be 7-4 in the SEC. At best. They are going to get their ass handed to them.. There are probably 4 teams in the SEC that would be favored against them on any given Saturday

    commander0 (aa249b)

  39. Ooh gross. Tillman stuff leaked into this thread.

    I talked to Randy White today and forgot to ask him about Maryland joining the Big Ten. Oh, well, lost chances.

    I don’t think Johnny Football will get the Heisman because he’s a red-shirt freshman.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  40. I’m afraid you’re correct Ag80, but I’ll continue to hope. The 10yro will be sadly disappointed if he doesn’t.

    Honestly, either way, this season has been a blast.

    Em (0af170)

  41. Ohio State is not eligible for the BCS but is in the FBS.

    Now, you really want to start something, try ‘splainin’ how Te’o or Klein deserve serious consideration for the number one spot on any voter’s Heisman ballot.

    Thought experiment: You’re on the school playground, with first pick from the FBS universe to field a team of college players. Which of the three Heisman finalists would you start your team with?

    Comment by Diffus (4a5ca6) — 12/3/2012 @ 8:17 pm

    ———————

    That’s an absurd comment. Klein has a much better resume than Manziel. The only reason Manziel is getting so much love and attention is because he beat media and SEC darling Alabama. As for Te’o, he clearly deserves the Heisman because he brings to the table all the qualities that a Heisman candidate requires, which includes leadership on and off the field. This award isn’t purely stats based, it’s a complete player award. Sorry that Manziel was able to light up a few teams, but it doesn’t make him deserving of the Heisman.

    As for the SEC lovers on this board, what is it about football that blinds you to the reality you face in all other aspects of life? Alabama is a good team, but they don’t even have the best resume out of the SEC this year. Florida has done much more with less and should be facing the Irish for the mythical National Championship.

    And for the silly man saying the Irish would finish with 4 losses in the SEC, get real. Look at Alabama’s schedule, LSU’s schedule, South Carolina’s schedule, Georgia’s schedule, Texas A&M’s schedule and find me 4 losses. Heck, look at Florida’s schedule and seriously claim that. You can’t. You just want to cheer on your silly conference and that’s fine. But really, pick a team.

    NJRob (fe68e7)

  42. Until ND regularly schedules a typically decent SEC team on its schedule, they’ll never know HOW good they are until the bowl games, and that’s too late to fix it.

    Comment by IGotBupkis, Legally Defined Cyberbully in All 57 States (8e2a3d) — 12/3/2012 @ 9:30 pm

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    I’m sorry, but other than Alabama scheduling Michigan, who Notre Dame also beat I might add, who did the SEC really schedule that wasn’t a traditional rivalry game. Florida beat Florida State which was clearly the best win. South Carolina beat Clemson in a normal rivalry where Clemson has beaten no one the entire year.

    The Irish have beaten Michigan who finished #2 in the Big Ten Legends division, beaten Miami who was finished #1 in their Coastal ACC division, Oklahoma who finished as co-Big 12 champion, and Stanford who won the PAC 12 conference. They also defeated traditional powerhouse and rival USC. Now tell me who exactly goes around the country and out of conference to play more teams and who doesn’t. The SEC is too afraid to come north of the Mason-Dixon line to play the Irish.

    NJRob (fe68e7)

  43. Alabama, Georgia, Florida, LSU, South Carolina, Texas A&M:

    Combined records: 64 wins, 10 losses.

    Combined records without playing each other: 55-0. (And, LSU is the only one of those six who played at least four of the others. Tigers 2-2 against Alabama, Florida, South Carolina, Texas A&M. Love to see what ND would have had they played those four.)

    I challenge any other conference to have any records close to those.

    As for Notre Dame, give them all credit for going undefeated. You can only play who you play. So, in that sense, they have had a great season. With that, when you beat Pitt because they miss a short field goal when the coach doesn’t put the ball in the middle of the field in OT; when Stanford isn’t given a winning score in OT; when you can only beat Michigan 13-6 and Boston College (BOSTON COLLEGE????) 21-6….

    You may not belong….we’ll see on January 7th….

    SEC RULZ!!! for the 7th straight time….

    Comment by reff (4dcda2) — 12/3/2012 @ 10:23 pm

    And people wonder why SEC fans are so off-putting.

    ———————

    What’s their combined records against other teams with winning records? Heck, just take all their bogus wins against FCS teams out of the equation and that lops off 15-20 wins right there.

    NJRob (fe68e7)

  44. Notre Dame has great fans and a great tradition. But I root against them unless they’re playing USC.

    Beldar (1a3f6b)

  45. NJ Rob,

    I love both Notre Dame and the SEC. Notre Dame always plays a tough schedule. This season, they have impressive wins over traditional powers Michigan, Oklahoma, USC, as well as Stanford, Purdue, Michigan State, and BYU—all generally solid programs.

    Seriously, I believe the SEC has the best bowl record among conferences during the course of the past several years. And the difficulty of schedule should be weighted even more in favor of the SEC since they’ve had a team in the championship game each of the past six seasons, including two last year.

    During the past couple seasons, Alabama has beaten both Penn St and VA Tech during non-conference play.

    LSU totally thrashed Washington this year, and Washington turned around and beat mighty Stanford—the team that beat Oregon a few weeks ago.
    Speaking of Oregon, in 2011, LSU rolled over Oregon by two touchdowns on a neutral field, and LSU also beat West Virginia by three touchdowns @ Morgantown a couple weeks after beating Oregon.

    LSU destroyed Notre Dame 41-14 in the Sugar Bowl in Brady Quinn’s final collegiate game, following the ’06 season. The prior season, a 10-2 LSU team creamed a 9-2 Miami Hurricanes team by a score of 40-3—a Miami team that was actually ranked higher than LSU was going into that particular Chick Fil A Peach Bowl.

    Some of the SEC teams do play a 1-AA team in their non-conference schedule. But there are a lot of 1-AA teams that happen to be located in the southeast, and they’re willing to go play those SEC teams when a lot of major college teams are not. The reason the 1-AA schools volunteer to get beat 35-3 is because they earn a lot of money when they go to LSU or Alabama or Florida and play in front of 90,000 paying fans.

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  46. NJ Rob – This year LSU played Alabama, A&M, South Carolina and Florida. I think any of those teams would be favored by the odds makers to beat ND at a neutral field.

    Now, I actually think ND is a pretty good team with quality wins, and they might win a couple of those games. But no way are they undefeated with that schedule.

    Roscoe (15d927)

  47. reff: LSU is the only one of those six who played at least four of the others.

    Wrong – Florida beat Texas A&M, LSU, and South Carolina, and lost to Georgia.

    NJRob: What’s their combined records against other teams with winning records?

    Wins against other winning teams: Florida 5
    Texas A&M 3, LSU 2, South Carolina 4, Georgia 2, Alabama 3. So 19 of their 55 outside wins were against winners.

    The “big six” also had five wins against Missouri and against Tennessee (both 5-2 against others). Include those and they have 29 wins against winners.

    Heck, just take all their bogus wins against FCS teams out of the equation and that lops off 15-20 wins right there.

    Wins vs FCS schools: Florida 1, Texas A&M 2, LSU 1, South Carolina 1, Georgia 1, Alabama 1. So only seven such wins.

    Some of those games were more respectable than others. South Carolina played Wofford (9-3); Georgia played Georgia Southern (9-3); LSU played Towson (7-4); Texas A&M played Sam Houston State (9-3). Alabama, however, played West Carolina (1-10).

    Rich Rostrom (553877)

  48. Please delete bad version above

    reff: LSU is the only one of those six who played at least four of the others.

    Wrong – Florida beat Texas A&M, LSU, and South Carolina, and lost to Georgia.

    NJRob: What’s their combined records against other teams with winning records?

    Wins against other winning teams: Florida 5, Texas A&M 3, LSU 2, South Carolina 4, Georgia 2, Alabama 3. So 19 of their 55 outside wins were against winners.

    The “big six” also had five wins against Missouri and against Tennessee (both 5-2 against others). Include those and they have 29 wins against winners.

    Heck, just take all their bogus wins against FCS teams out of the equation and that lops off 15-20 wins right there.

    Wins vs FCS schools: Florida 1, Texas A&M 2, LSU 1, South Carolina 1, Georgia 1, Alabama 1. So only seven such wins.

    Some of those games were more respectable than others. South Carolina played Wofford (9-3); Georgia played Georgia Southern (9-3); LSU played Towson (7-4); Texas A&M played Sam Houston State (9-3). Alabama, however, played West Carolina (1-10).

    Rich Rostrom (553877)

  49. Rick – Unless I am misunderstanding I don’t think your “wins against winning teams” numbers are right. LSU has four wins against winning teams (Miss St., So. Car., A&M and Washington). Alabama also has four (Mich, Miss St., LSU and Ga.). I haven’t looked at the others, but they don’t look right either.

    Roscoe (15d927)

  50. “Undefeated” Not for long…

    Larry Geiger (1416f7)

  51. Yes, in many ways Wisconsin does not belong in a major bowl, though they are the best 5 loss team in football, with 3 of their losses in overtime, including to unbeaten Ohio State.
    But Bret Bielema, who has not shown himself up to coaching bowl games, has done us in Badgerland a favor and has jumped ship, allowing for:
    Hall of Fame Coach Barry Alvarez is returning for one final game – the Rose Bowl – where he has proven himself as a good luck charm, leading the Badgers to three Rose Bowl Championships.
    Alvarez was not only great at making a so-so team into a respectable force, but also knew how to coach a winning Big Ten team in the Rose Bowl, multiple times.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  52. All of the traffic on the other threads is burying my contribution to college football.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  53. Comment by Rich Rostrom (553877) — 12/5/2012 @ 1:26 pm

    —————–

    Then there’s all the games versus the Sun Belt conference which is little more than FCS as well. Meanwhile, looking at the Irish schedule, they played all BCS automatic qualifier conference teams with the exception of BYU who is an Independent that has refused to join an automatic qualifier conference.

    NJRob (fe68e7)

  54. 51- MD I was always impressed with the way Alvarez and his offensive line went about punishing the defense.

    mg (31009b)

  55. Alvarez always seemed to be a successful game day tactician. From my POV the Big Ten seems to often be out-coached with the game day plan of attack and mid-game adjustments. In fact I have never been impressed with this aspect of Bielema’s tenure; but Alvarez always seemed to have the team ready for the challenge, and even in some bowl games where they were over-matched they won or made a much better battle of it than expected.

    Wisconsin certainly did not have a very impressive record this season, but I found out recently that they lost a lot of assistant coaches prior to the beginning of the season and had some mid-season firings of new hires. Monte Ball had also been beaten up by 6 guys over the summer and wasn’t up to par until several weeks into the season.
    In addition, it wasn’t until the end of the season that they found their quarterback, a 5th year senior who had weathered 3 ACL repairs and had not started (played in?) a game since high school. I think OSU was his second start of his college career.

    I am expecting to see the team that played Ohio State even and dominated Nebraska show up on Jan 1st, with a better coach than they had during the regular season.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  56. (LOL)

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)


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