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	<title>Comments on: Kimberlin News: Lee Stranahan&#8217;s Site Attacked; Kimberlin/Walker Court Hearing Tuesday</title>
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		<title>By: Sammy Finkelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sammy Finkelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by Steve57 (1922f2) — 12/4/2012 @ 8:38 pm 

&lt;i&gt; The issue is what can Aaron do now? &lt;/i&gt;

Well, maybe he could see his old employer. Ask for help in securing employment and recommendations. If they were or are dishonest, sue them for defamation. 

They will not be as dishonest as Kimberlin, so initiate discovery, get them under oath and find out the real reason he was fired and other things done. 

At the start tell them how it is going to play out and if they tell him everything he needs to know now and help him he&#039;ll settle very quickly for very little or nothing. But make sure it is the truth. 

Then, let&#039;s say, somebody threatened the company with loss of business, proceed further, although you could hit a dead end. If someone says they were afraid of something coming from unknown people, make them prove that they had a real fear. And it is not a cover for something else more specific and somewhat different.

He may get close to having a real case against Kimberlin or somebody else. (is the problem that he needs discovery to be able to state a case?)

He may also ask for people to supply information, and give them a way to do so. Maybe at some point somebody will come out of the woodwork to settle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by Steve57 (1922f2) — 12/4/2012 @ 8:38 pm </p>
<p><i> The issue is what can Aaron do now? </i></p>
<p>Well, maybe he could see his old employer. Ask for help in securing employment and recommendations. If they were or are dishonest, sue them for defamation. </p>
<p>They will not be as dishonest as Kimberlin, so initiate discovery, get them under oath and find out the real reason he was fired and other things done. </p>
<p>At the start tell them how it is going to play out and if they tell him everything he needs to know now and help him he&#8217;ll settle very quickly for very little or nothing. But make sure it is the truth. </p>
<p>Then, let&#8217;s say, somebody threatened the company with loss of business, proceed further, although you could hit a dead end. If someone says they were afraid of something coming from unknown people, make them prove that they had a real fear. And it is not a cover for something else more specific and somewhat different.</p>
<p>He may get close to having a real case against Kimberlin or somebody else. (is the problem that he needs discovery to be able to state a case?)</p>
<p>He may also ask for people to supply information, and give them a way to do so. Maybe at some point somebody will come out of the woodwork to settle.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve57</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 04:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;69. &lt;blockquote&gt;That the representative was lying in the communication&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why would Aaron’s employer (through its agent) lie in a private email to Aaron about the reason Aaron was fired?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To establish an alibi. I have personal experience with that. I wasn&#039;t the one fired, by the way. 

An Admiral relieved my C.O. The Admiral felt compelled to send a letter to every member of the command explaining the four reasons why he took that action. When I read it I realized, &quot;I have got to keep this for my records.&quot; I knew for a fact none of those reasons were valid. The letter concluded with comments about how every member of the command had his full confidence and he held our former skipper solely responsible for the four major deficiencies that had forced him to fire our skipper.

Then our new skipper showed up. And he called an All Officer&#039;s Meeting and just laid down the law. Because on his way out to take command he had been briefed. By the same Admiral. About what exactly was wrong with that command.

As I knew, the Admiral had lied in that letter to us. As the new skipper found out, the Admiral had lied to him in his briefing about the deficiencies of his new command.

Two different stories. Neither true. That Admiral never told the truth to anyone. But he had his story in writing and that was the only important thing.

&lt;blockquote&gt; 
I mean, the only “truth” as to the motive of Aaron’s firing lies within the employer — the one who did the firing.

Comment by Kman (5576bf) — 12/4/2012 @ 1:37 pm
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I suspect with a little digging the truth as opposed to the &quot;truth&quot; might have been discovered. I showed my new skipper that letter (glad I kept it). That was not, as I had figured, what he had been told.

But as nk points out it&#039;s all water under the bridge now. What&#039;s done is done. The issue is what can Aaron do now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>69.<br />
<blockquote>That the representative was lying in the communication</p></blockquote>
<p>Why would Aaron’s employer (through its agent) lie in a private email to Aaron about the reason Aaron was fired?</p></blockquote>
<p>To establish an alibi. I have personal experience with that. I wasn&#8217;t the one fired, by the way. </p>
<p>An Admiral relieved my C.O. The Admiral felt compelled to send a letter to every member of the command explaining the four reasons why he took that action. When I read it I realized, &#8220;I have got to keep this for my records.&#8221; I knew for a fact none of those reasons were valid. The letter concluded with comments about how every member of the command had his full confidence and he held our former skipper solely responsible for the four major deficiencies that had forced him to fire our skipper.</p>
<p>Then our new skipper showed up. And he called an All Officer&#8217;s Meeting and just laid down the law. Because on his way out to take command he had been briefed. By the same Admiral. About what exactly was wrong with that command.</p>
<p>As I knew, the Admiral had lied in that letter to us. As the new skipper found out, the Admiral had lied to him in his briefing about the deficiencies of his new command.</p>
<p>Two different stories. Neither true. That Admiral never told the truth to anyone. But he had his story in writing and that was the only important thing.</p>
<blockquote><p>
I mean, the only “truth” as to the motive of Aaron’s firing lies within the employer — the one who did the firing.</p>
<p>Comment by Kman (5576bf) — 12/4/2012 @ 1:37 pm
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<p>I suspect with a little digging the truth as opposed to the &#8220;truth&#8221; might have been discovered. I showed my new skipper that letter (glad I kept it). That was not, as I had figured, what he had been told.</p>
<p>But as nk points out it&#8217;s all water under the bridge now. What&#8217;s done is done. The issue is what can Aaron do now?</p>
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		<title>By: nk</title>
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		<dc:creator>nk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 04:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron, go back with a motion to reconsider and leave to file an amended complaint.  Otherwise, if you are certain that this is a final and appealable order, file your notice of appeal.

But by advice is, let the f***ing thing go.  Judges do not like these kind of cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron, go back with a motion to reconsider and leave to file an amended complaint.  Otherwise, if you are certain that this is a final and appealable order, file your notice of appeal.</p>
<p>But by advice is, let the f***ing thing go.  Judges do not like these kind of cases.</p>
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		<title>By: EPWJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>EPWJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 03:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Col,

Eh,they didnt prevail, Aaron had no merit on his lawsuit and also Kimberlin and company were also defanged.  They won&#039;t prevail in a countersuit against Aaron.

Asking for millions was stupid,specious and pissed the courts off.  Its a classic mistake - overplaying a wimming hand.

Aaron a strong opinionated conservative that - well - could cause a wishy squishy employer - which the people he worked for were - a cause to fire him.

His employers to me are just low scum - they dont deserve Aaron nor understand the depth of his character - the fight in him is something that a company needs in troubling times - hope they go under.

This isnt a loss,  Kimberlin knows his behavior is on record and attacking anyone else will not go well for him in court as long as the aggreived party doesnt ask for personal enrichment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Col,</p>
<p>Eh,they didnt prevail, Aaron had no merit on his lawsuit and also Kimberlin and company were also defanged.  They won&#8217;t prevail in a countersuit against Aaron.</p>
<p>Asking for millions was stupid,specious and pissed the courts off.  Its a classic mistake &#8211; overplaying a wimming hand.</p>
<p>Aaron a strong opinionated conservative that &#8211; well &#8211; could cause a wishy squishy employer &#8211; which the people he worked for were &#8211; a cause to fire him.</p>
<p>His employers to me are just low scum &#8211; they dont deserve Aaron nor understand the depth of his character &#8211; the fight in him is something that a company needs in troubling times &#8211; hope they go under.</p>
<p>This isnt a loss,  Kimberlin knows his behavior is on record and attacking anyone else will not go well for him in court as long as the aggreived party doesnt ask for personal enrichment</p>
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		<title>By: nk</title>
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		<dc:creator>nk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 03:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kman has his own agenda, but he is right in this one regard.  The courts are not a weapon, and discovery least of all.  And Dan Backer, Esq. is ... I suppose all Aaron could afford.

Of course the judge had already reached his decision.  You give the court courtesy copies of your pleadings a week before the hearing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kman has his own agenda, but he is right in this one regard.  The courts are not a weapon, and discovery least of all.  And Dan Backer, Esq. is &#8230; I suppose all Aaron could afford.</p>
<p>Of course the judge had already reached his decision.  You give the court courtesy copies of your pleadings a week before the hearing.</p>
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		<title>By: Pious Agnostic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pious Agnostic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 01:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Colonel Haiku</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colonel Haiku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 01:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scumbag prevails... How the Hell did this happen?:

http://theothermccain.com/2012/12/04/walker-v-kimberlin-dismissed/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scumbag prevails&#8230; How the Hell did this happen?:</p>
<p><a href="http://theothermccain.com/2012/12/04/walker-v-kimberlin-dismissed/" rel="nofollow">http://theothermccain.com/2012/12/04/walker-v-kimberlin-dismissed/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 00:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Does this strike anyone else as just wrong? Or am I just being naive?

Comment by Dianna (f12db5&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes ma&#039;am, it is wrong.  I actually have not read more than the first couple of lines because I realized it wasn&#039;t meant for me.

A court ordered this sealed.  

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nk, you&#039;re right.  I have plans tonight, but I will be sure to return to the thread for an informed discussion on your question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Does this strike anyone else as just wrong? Or am I just being naive?</p>
<p>Comment by Dianna (f12db5</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes ma&#8217;am, it is wrong.  I actually have not read more than the first couple of lines because I realized it wasn&#8217;t meant for me.</p>
<p>A court ordered this sealed.  </p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>nk, you&#8217;re right.  I have plans tonight, but I will be sure to return to the thread for an informed discussion on your question.</p>
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		<title>By: nk</title>
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		<dc:creator>nk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 23:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dustin, forget fighting fighting with Kman and let&#039;s get practical.  Was there leave to file an amended complaint, or was the case decided on summary judgment as Kman says?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dustin, forget fighting fighting with Kman and let&#8217;s get practical.  Was there leave to file an amended complaint, or was the case decided on summary judgment as Kman says?</p>
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		<title>By: Dianna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dianna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 23:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone but me appears to have read this famous email from Aaron Walker&#039;s former employer&#039;s lawyer, which supposedly was sealed. 

Does this strike anyone else as just wrong? Or am I just being naive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone but me appears to have read this famous email from Aaron Walker&#8217;s former employer&#8217;s lawyer, which supposedly was sealed. </p>
<p>Does this strike anyone else as just wrong? Or am I just being naive?</p>
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