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		<title>By: Sammy Finkelman</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2012/11/27/your-mandatory-fiscal-cliff-post/comment-page-6/#comment-1121133</link>
		<dc:creator>Sammy Finkelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 16:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>121. Comment by JD (518ff4) — 11/29/2012 @ 8:01 pm 

&lt;i&gt; The Obama proposal today shows how unserious they are about this, and how they want to go over this cliff. &lt;/i&gt;

Obama probably wants two things:

1) A tax increase on the upper two brackets, while extending all the other Bush tax cuts. 

He&#039;ll settle for less than half of what is scheduled, but he wants something. 

2) Only one complex negotiation. (that means the debt ceiling has to be wrapped up into it)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>121. Comment by JD (518ff4) — 11/29/2012 @ 8:01 pm </p>
<p><i> The Obama proposal today shows how unserious they are about this, and how they want to go over this cliff. </i></p>
<p>Obama probably wants two things:</p>
<p>1) A tax increase on the upper two brackets, while extending all the other Bush tax cuts. </p>
<p>He&#8217;ll settle for less than half of what is scheduled, but he wants something. </p>
<p>2) Only one complex negotiation. (that means the debt ceiling has to be wrapped up into it)</p>
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		<title>By: Sammy Finkelman</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2012/11/27/your-mandatory-fiscal-cliff-post/comment-page-6/#comment-1121129</link>
		<dc:creator>Sammy Finkelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 16:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 11/29/2012 @ 6:45 pm 

&lt;i&gt;Here is my suggestion, for what it’s worth. The Repubs signal they will go for Obama’s plan of “getting rid of the Bush tax cuts” for the top 1%, 2%, or whatever, then say they want to make an announcement to the press.
 With the assembled press present, they say they will give President Obama what he wants. Then, with everyone watching and going wild over Obama’s victory, the Repubs will give a graphic display of what the problem is and how what Obama just won is...he’s got nuthin’. &lt;/i&gt;

This might make sense, as once he gets his tax raise, he&#039;ll be more amenable to make deals. 

Right now I don&#039;t think he wants any deal that doesn&#039;t also take care of the debt limit - for the rest of presidency if possible. The debt limit ius coming up around mMarch.

They could do alittle better tahn this:

Maybe:

1) Separate the sequester from the tax raise and kick the can down the road three to six months.

2) Extend all the below $250,000 cuts indefinitely, and also all the other coming tax changes - AMT. capital gains and dividends, payroll tax cuts, exclusion for debt forgiveness on a mortgage, as long as possible, with the proviso, they&#039;ll be renegotiated.

3) Make the Bush tax cuts permanent, but put instead a surtax. A surtax of 5% would gove Obama everything he wants, but a surtax is more repealable. The question becomes should it expire or not.

So maybe 4) The surtax expires if the military budget is cut below a certain percentage of GDP, or perhaps if Medicare is cut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 11/29/2012 @ 6:45 pm </p>
<p><i>Here is my suggestion, for what it’s worth. The Repubs signal they will go for Obama’s plan of “getting rid of the Bush tax cuts” for the top 1%, 2%, or whatever, then say they want to make an announcement to the press.<br />
 With the assembled press present, they say they will give President Obama what he wants. Then, with everyone watching and going wild over Obama’s victory, the Repubs will give a graphic display of what the problem is and how what Obama just won is&#8230;he’s got nuthin’. </i></p>
<p>This might make sense, as once he gets his tax raise, he&#8217;ll be more amenable to make deals. </p>
<p>Right now I don&#8217;t think he wants any deal that doesn&#8217;t also take care of the debt limit &#8211; for the rest of presidency if possible. The debt limit ius coming up around mMarch.</p>
<p>They could do alittle better tahn this:</p>
<p>Maybe:</p>
<p>1) Separate the sequester from the tax raise and kick the can down the road three to six months.</p>
<p>2) Extend all the below $250,000 cuts indefinitely, and also all the other coming tax changes &#8211; AMT. capital gains and dividends, payroll tax cuts, exclusion for debt forgiveness on a mortgage, as long as possible, with the proviso, they&#8217;ll be renegotiated.</p>
<p>3) Make the Bush tax cuts permanent, but put instead a surtax. A surtax of 5% would gove Obama everything he wants, but a surtax is more repealable. The question becomes should it expire or not.</p>
<p>So maybe 4) The surtax expires if the military budget is cut below a certain percentage of GDP, or perhaps if Medicare is cut.</p>
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		<title>By: daleyrocks</title>
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		<dc:creator>daleyrocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 05:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I absolutely cannot believe that Mel Reynolds is back on the scene.&quot;

carlitos - Good times. Wear your pink underwear!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I absolutely cannot believe that Mel Reynolds is back on the scene.&#8221;</p>
<p>carlitos &#8211; Good times. Wear your pink underwear!</p>
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		<title>By: narciso</title>
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		<dc:creator>narciso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 04:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well there are surprises all around, 18-24 year olds are getting a 45% cost increase in their insurance, and Pell Grants are getting cut 13%,
&#039;things they should have made aware sooner&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well there are surprises all around, 18-24 year olds are getting a 45% cost increase in their insurance, and Pell Grants are getting cut 13%,<br />
&#8216;things they should have made aware sooner&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: happyfeet</title>
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		<dc:creator>happyfeet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 04:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sales taxes are regressive it shows you how much the socialists really care about their precious food stampers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sales taxes are regressive it shows you how much the socialists really care about their precious food stampers</p>
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		<title>By: elissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>elissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 04:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny you should remember that particular quote, carlitos.  You&#039;re not the only one.  A local political blog here which I regularly scan had a &quot;contest&quot; earlier this week for readers to submit press release statements or campaign slogans in honor of Mel and his uh, special circumstances.  By acclamation the winner was as follows--

Mel: Wow, JJJ just resigned from congress?  What?  Did I win the lottery?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny you should remember that particular quote, carlitos.  You&#8217;re not the only one.  A local political blog here which I regularly scan had a &#8220;contest&#8221; earlier this week for readers to submit press release statements or campaign slogans in honor of Mel and his uh, special circumstances.  By acclamation the winner was as follows&#8211;</p>
<p>Mel: Wow, JJJ just resigned from congress?  What?  Did I win the lottery?</p>
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		<title>By: carlitos</title>
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		<dc:creator>carlitos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 04:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey someone tell the tech guy on the iPhone 4S with iOS six, when you click on RSS feed it somehow interprets this blog as a podcast, but with no result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey someone tell the tech guy on the iPhone 4S with iOS six, when you click on RSS feed it somehow interprets this blog as a podcast, but with no result.</p>
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		<title>By: elissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>elissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 04:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nah--the convicted pedophile ex congressman Mel Reynolds says he is going after JJJ&#039;s newly vacant congressional seat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nah&#8211;the convicted pedophile ex congressman Mel Reynolds says he is going after JJJ&#8217;s newly vacant congressional seat.</p>
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		<title>By: carlitos</title>
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		<dc:creator>carlitos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 04:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely cannot believe that Mel Reynolds is back on the scene. I will never forget when Steve and Garry read the transcripts of his tapes on the air on Chicago&#039;s 97.9 the loop. When he found out the 13 year old girl was a Catholic school student with the uniform he said and I quote &quot;what, did I win the lottery?&quot;  This is a congressman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely cannot believe that Mel Reynolds is back on the scene. I will never forget when Steve and Garry read the transcripts of his tapes on the air on Chicago&#8217;s 97.9 the loop. When he found out the 13 year old girl was a Catholic school student with the uniform he said and I quote &#8220;what, did I win the lottery?&#8221;  This is a congressman.</p>
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		<title>By: carlitos</title>
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		<dc:creator>carlitos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 04:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, in a league with, to be accurate. We&#039;re not friends</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, in a league with, to be accurate. We&#8217;re not friends</p>
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